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Alliea
September 30th, 2009, 05:33 PM
I read messages that say you have to, then I read an equal number that says you do not. Does it all depend on where you are going to? I was only on one HAL, and yes they stayed dressed all night long, but that was a few years ago, has things changed? I am on HAL in Oct, 2010.

6rugrats
September 30th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Unless you are in your cabin, I think it best to be dressed at all times, no matter what cruise line you are on.

catl331
September 30th, 2009, 05:37 PM
There are no clothes police. I think early dining people might tend to change. I know I can't wait to get out of my shoes! Some people keep the formal clothes on because they are waiting to have formal pics taken. Others feel comfy in theirs but smart casual is more comfy to me. So mixed reviews because there are mixed tastes.

CruiserBruce
September 30th, 2009, 05:40 PM
Unless you are in your cabin, I think it best to be dressed at all times, no matter what cruise line you are on.

Yikes!!:eek: Scary thought!!! Many scary thoughts !!!:D

HAL asks that you stay in the designated dress code for the evening, but due to the fact you can't even get people to agree to abide by the dress code for dinner, you can see why people won't agree on staying in the designated dress code after dinner.

CowPrincess
September 30th, 2009, 05:45 PM
:D at 6rugrats.

We are people who seldom do much inside after dinner. We eat late, return to the cabin and "dress down", then stroll on the Promenade deck. Hang out by the aft pool, enjoy the night and the sounds of the ocean, then we're ready for the late night buffet :)

IMHO because there are other choices for dining (Lido, room service), it is silly for HAL to expect that only those who are dressed in the defined "formal wear" will be seen in public areas on formal night. As catl331 mentioned, there are no clothing police beyond the maitre d' in the dining room and the Pinnacle manager. I can't imagine a crew member asking you to leave the show or the casino because you aren't dressed in formal wear.

We've never tried to dress down and attend a show or anything, but we certainly go through public areas in our "deck-walking" clothes after dinner on formal night.

momatibm
September 30th, 2009, 05:48 PM
:D at 6rugrats.

We are people who seldom do much inside after dinner. We eat late, return to the cabin and "dress down", then stroll on the Promenade deck. Hang out by the aft pool, enjoy the night and the sounds of the ocean,


I agree. The only thing we might do after dinner is go to the Cigar under the Stars if they have it. Otherwise, we just chill - watch a DVD, check the news, position/sea condition, etc in the cabin

pris993
September 30th, 2009, 05:53 PM
The only time we change is if we decide to attend a deck party up on the pool deck.

suse
September 30th, 2009, 05:58 PM
With all these formal night threads, smart casual threads, dress code in general threads, and so on, I'm afraid to leave my room. I don't know whether I am coming or going.
Better yet, maybe I'll just wear an evening gown morning, noon and night, even to the Lido and I will have all my bases covered. Isn't that funny. I'm the crazy one in a ball gown eating a bagle.:)

buckirj1
September 30th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Don't dress up in the first place--problem solved:D

Sorry, couldn't resist. Assuming you're talking about a formal night, it probably depends on what you want to do after dinner. I think you'll be okay so long as you're dressed up to HAL's version of smart casual standards anywhere on the ship after dinner. Might not be a good idea to go running around in normal clothes like shorts and t-shirts. Some of your fellow passengers might go:eek: But if that doesn't bother you, then go for it!

Krazy Kruizers
September 30th, 2009, 06:43 PM
JMO -- we stay dressed for the entire evening with whatever the dress code is.

kakalina
September 30th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't. Either way I don't feel at all strange or out of place attending the shows or casino in my smart casual clothing. Nice blouses and capris with a small heeled slip on shoe.

Aunty Pat
September 30th, 2009, 07:09 PM
If you are concerned about being dressed the same as most of the other guests, stay dressed up on formal nights with your uncomfortable shoes, etc. If I find my formal outfit uncomfortable, shoes are killing me, etc. after diner I’ll change into a long dark color (navy blue or black) knit dress that is as comfortable as a nightgown and put on a comfortable pair of silver sandals and go back out to enjoy the rest of the evening.

Aunty Pat


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bryanjaync
September 30th, 2009, 07:21 PM
When my parents sailed on the X line, they switched out of formal wear and into smart casual after dinner. When showtime came around, they were ask to sit in the balcony because of their attire. Which way fine with them, because they prefer the balcony !

catecrew
September 30th, 2009, 07:53 PM
I finally feel qualified to post. Just got done with our 1st cruise on the Ryndam.
My husband and I had late dinner and we not usually done with dinner until 9:30. Every night after dinner we went back to our room & changed. I usually left my dressier blouse on and put jeans and flats on. My husband changed back into his jeans also.
We went up to The Crow's Nest every night until around midnight to hang out and never felt under dressed.

Gator83
September 30th, 2009, 08:46 PM
This is what I don't understand. If you go to the LIDO and wear something casual (jeans or shorts and a nice shirt) then you cannot be expected to change into something else for the rest of the evening even if you are going to the shows, casino, or bars. So why does everyone think that you have to dress a certain way all evening?

IRL_Joanie
September 30th, 2009, 08:51 PM
:D at 6rugrats.

We are people who seldom do much inside after dinner. We eat late, return to the cabin and "dress down", then stroll on the Promenade deck. Hang out by the aft pool, enjoy the night and the sounds of the ocean, then we're ready for the late night buffet :)...


I agree 100% I am dressing down to a comfort level. Not sweats, a robe and/or anything raggedy but definitely not formal. Possibly slacks and a nice blouse, but definitely comfort.. Basically smart casual, I think is what it is referred to.

Alliea
September 30th, 2009, 09:10 PM
This is what I don't understand. If you go to the LIDO and wear something casual (jeans or shorts and a nice shirt) then you cannot be expected to change into something else for the rest of the evening even if you are going to the shows, casino, or bars. So why does everyone think that you have to dress a certain way all evening?
Not sure I get that as well...but I did see it a few years ago. My husband and I went to Lido to eat, we were like the only ones in casual dress at show, I wanted to leave , since we did not have other clothes with us. I am not sure this is the case now though, this was a few years ago.. and this is what I am trying to find out!

cruz chic
September 30th, 2009, 09:58 PM
JMO -- we stay dressed for the entire evening with whatever the dress code is.
Me too. It's just too much bother to get another outfit out.

Boytjie
September 30th, 2009, 09:59 PM
So why does everyone think that you have to dress a certain way all evening?

Because that is what HAL suggests? :rolleyes:

Himself
September 30th, 2009, 10:03 PM
My understanding is that on both the Formal and the casual nights we are supposed to remain dressed that way after the dinner--indeed for the rest of the evening.

jtl513
September 30th, 2009, 10:08 PM
After dinner I let my belt out a notch and loosen my tie a little. Then I'm all set for another couple of hours. :D

happyglobetrotter
September 30th, 2009, 10:14 PM
My understanding is that on both the Formal and the casual nights we are supposed to remain dressed that way after the dinner--indeed for the rest of the evening.


Why would someone go on a cruise to wear uncomfortable shoes, why not purchase comfortable shoes on the first place !!! Ditto for clothes, if your nice dressier clothes are not comfortable, buy a larger size, you might have outgrown it:eek:. Formal nights do not exist on certain cruise lines and definitely not in beach resorts. If you are not comfortable on a HAL cruise, except if you are wearing shorts and jeans, just consider other options.

hogwildcruzers
September 30th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I believe if the guidelines on a HAL ship states that you stay dressed in the attire of the night, than you should do just that.....you know this when you book a HAL ship....if you do not like this and prefer to dress down on the formal nights after dinner, then maybe you should book with another cruise line.....I know other lines do not state that on their dress code, but we still remain dressed in ours until we retire for the night.

iancal
September 30th, 2009, 10:41 PM
If we are dress formally for dinner, we always change afterwards to go to the show (very seldom), to wander about, go to the casino (likely), pass thru the lounges, or go outside on deck (very likely). And we have found that there are many, many others who do so-on all the mainstream lines that we have had the pleasure of cruising on. I would not worry about it in the least. Just go and have a great time. That's why it is called a vacation.

Zappa Fan
September 30th, 2009, 10:44 PM
If we are dress formally for dinner, we always change afterwards to go to the show (very seldom), to wander about, go to the casino (likely), pass thru the lounges, or go outside on deck (very likely). And we have found that there are many, many other who do so-on all the mainstream lines that we have had the pleasure of cruising on. I would not worry about it in the least. Just go and have a great time. That why the call it a vacation.

I agree. It's not nearly as formal as some members of this forum would like. HAL is a "mainstream line". Dress is not an issue, other than sometimes in the dining room. (or so they report) Don't fret.

CowPrincess
September 30th, 2009, 10:53 PM
I believe if the guidelines on a HAL ship states that you stay dressed in the attire of the night, than you should do just that.....you know this when you book a HAL ship....if you do not like this and prefer to dress down on the formal nights after dinner, then maybe you should book with another cruise line.....I know other lines do not state that on their dress code, but we still remain dressed in ours until we retire for the night.

Well, my formal wear is not appropriate for my venue of choice -- the Promenade deck and the aft pool. I'm quite happy to dress for dinner, but will not risk my safety by doing laps on the Promenade deck in high heels and long dress. So I apologize if I offend you as I walk through the public areas to the venue where I choose to spend my late evenings.

DizzyDallasDi
September 30th, 2009, 10:55 PM
What if your luggage didn't make it with you to the ship? I guess you'd expect them to eat at the Lido, not attend the show, stay out of the casino and bars because they weren't up to "code?" How would you even know if those that are "underdressed" had options other than what they had on? Their bags contained all the finery and glitz for formal night but they can't don it because it's not with them. Don't jump to conclusions about those onboard if they're wearing less than "code" on formal night. These poor folks should not be forced to stay in their room or out on deck due to something completely out of their control. Be nice...it might be you someday. :D

The reason I mentioned this is because I have a friend on a Med cruise right now (not HAL) that this happened to. I hope her fellow passengers are more tolerant than some on this board.

Diane

iancal
September 30th, 2009, 11:11 PM
If everyone who dressed 'down' after formal dinners followed your advice and booked with another line HAL would be out of business....on the verge of bankrupcy as they were when Carnival Corp. acquired them.

hogwildcruzers
September 30th, 2009, 11:46 PM
I knew I would catch all kinds of hell for saying what I did and I would never say anything to anybody about what they were wearing.....and nobody would offend me with what they were wearing.....I thought that everyone on these boards had a right to express themselves and what I believe is the right thing for us to do does not mean you have to feel it is right for you......I certainly hope everybody on a cruise has the best time of their life.....cause we have it every time we cruise......and part of that is that we like to stay dressed........but then again there are always those that go against the flow just because nobody is going to tell them what to do.

mrmac
October 1st, 2009, 12:02 AM
Cruises have always been marketed as special experiences and part of that specialness has always been formal nights. The thing that makes these nights special is that everyone (most) dresses up and treats them as special. People look great! They are formal nights, not dinners, and HAL, Princess, Celebrity and others ask that you remain in your formal dress for the evening. Would you go to a prom and change into casual clothes after dinner for the dancing? Would you dress up for a wedding and then change for the reception? Some may answer yes but the above cruise lines ask that you remain dressed on formal nights so as to continue the special feeling of the evening in the lounges and entertainment venues.


Many people do not follow the dress request and rationalize their response: "It's my vacation. Many other people didn't follow the code so I didn't. I dress up for work all year long. My shoes hurt. We ate in the Lido." Obviously, if you are going to the pool or working out on the deck or gym you would be changing into other clothes. But if you're going to the other spots you would stick out by wearing t-shirts and shorts or jeans and tennis shoes to the show or casino. And yes, it does reduce the specialness of the event for the rest of us when the people next to you at the show have shorts and t-shirts on and you are all dressed up. Not that you need to think about anyone but yourself....

P.S. I think formal nights are fun and the women look great!

DizzyDallasDi
October 1st, 2009, 12:16 AM
But if you're going to the other spots you would stick out by wearing t-shirts and shorts or jeans and tennis shoes to the show or casino. And yes, it does reduce the specialness of the event for the rest of us when the people next to you at the show have shorts and t-shirts on and you are all dressed up. Not that you need to think about anyone but yourself....

If someone's luggage didn't make it to the ship and they are wearing the only clothes they have, then too bad so sad that it reduces "the specialness of the event" for the rest of the people. Of course, "not that you need to think about anyone but yourself..." Wow!! :eek: I can't believe you really said that.

mrmac
October 1st, 2009, 01:40 AM
No one is talking about people who have lost their luggage. That's not the point of this thread.

Zappa Fan
October 1st, 2009, 01:44 AM
No one is talking about people who have lost their luggage. That's not the point of this thread.

What's to tell the difference?:confused:

earl_m
October 1st, 2009, 02:16 AM
We stay dress the same way all evening .

Randyk47
October 1st, 2009, 07:35 AM
We stay dressed in whatever is the dress code for the evening. Doesn't particularly bother me that some folks change, that's their choice. Will admit that we are in favor of the dress codes and particularly like formal nights.

pipedreams62
October 1st, 2009, 08:15 AM
Cruises have always been marketed as special experiences and part of that specialness has always been formal nights. The thing that makes these nights special is that everyone (most) dresses up and treats them as special. People look great! They are formal nights, not dinners, and HAL, Princess, Celebrity and others ask that you remain in your formal dress for the evening. Would you go to a prom and change into casual clothes after dinner for the dancing? Would you dress up for a wedding and then change for the reception? Some may answer yes but the above cruise lines ask that you remain dressed on formal nights so as to continue the special feeling of the evening in the lounges and entertainment venues.


Many people do not follow the dress request and rationalize their response: "It's my vacation. Many other people didn't follow the code so I didn't. I dress up for work all year long. My shoes hurt. We ate in the Lido." Obviously, if you are going to the pool or working out on the deck or gym you would be changing into other clothes. But if you're going to the other spots you would stick out by wearing t-shirts and shorts or jeans and tennis shoes to the show or casino. And yes, it does reduce the specialness of the event for the rest of us when the people next to you at the show have shorts and t-shirts on and you are all dressed up. Not that you need to think about anyone but yourself....

P.S. I think formal nights are fun and the women look great!


Another thing for me is. When it's formal night and you hang around the atrium lobby etc,there's a certain vibe, an energy of people looking good and being dressed up. There's photos being taken,it's just a great positive vibe.

The guy schlepping around in wrinkled cargo shorts and neanderthal sandals complete with corn chip toe nails,just does not add to this.

lost luggage????-- That's weak

suse
October 1st, 2009, 08:39 AM
This is exactly why I am totally wearing dressy clothes all the time on my next cruise. It's so much fun! You learn so much here. I'll be the one in the gym with the "smart" clothes on. Heh. I have a neighbor who is always dolled up. It makes me laugh. I'll just take a cue.:)

mozleo
October 1st, 2009, 09:27 AM
The thing is they DON'T go to shows dressed. I doubt they dressed up in the first place. There is NO WAY a cruise line can offer you casual dining , and then it is not ok for you to go to shows, casino, etc afterwards. On my Alaska cruise it was about 50/50 at nights. This message board may want everyone to dress up, but it isn't the way it is.

Jade13
October 1st, 2009, 09:39 AM
I read messages that say you have to, then I read an equal number that says you do not. Does it all depend on where you are going to? I was only on one HAL, and yes they stayed dressed all night long, but that was a few years ago, has things changed? I am on HAL in Oct, 2010.

Well, if you have early dinner and are going to the pool or gym afterwards, I guess you would wear the appropriate clothing for those activities.

Lady Oceanic
October 1st, 2009, 09:40 AM
I follow the dress code for the evening. If on a formal night I wanted to change, I'd just go back to my cabin and put on my ps's. Too much trouble to keep changing clothes all day.

Jade13
October 1st, 2009, 09:42 AM
I agree. It's not nearly as formal as some members of this forum would like. HAL is a "mainstream line". Dress is not an issue, other than sometimes in the dining room. (or so they report) Don't fret.

Agree.

And by the way we were just on SilverSeas and people dressed more on HAL...

Boytjie
October 1st, 2009, 09:44 AM
Well, my formal wear is not appropriate for my venue of choice -- the Promenade deck and the aft pool. I'm quite happy to dress for dinner, but will not risk my safety by doing laps on the Promenade deck in high heels and long dress. So I apologize if I offend you as I walk through the public areas to the venue where I choose to spend my late evenings.

Outside decks, hallways, the Lido etc are not usually an issue with the dress code of the evening.


What if your luggage didn't make it with you to the ship? I guess you'd expect them to eat at the Lido, not attend the show, stay out of the casino and bars because they weren't up to "code?" How would you even know if those that are "underdressed" had options other than what they had on? Their bags contained all the finery and glitz for formal night but they can't don it because it's not with them. Don't jump to conclusions about those onboard if they're wearing less than "code" on formal night. These poor folks should not be forced to stay in their room or out on deck due to something completely out of their control. Be nice...it might be you someday. :D

The reason I mentioned this is because I have a friend on a Med cruise right now (not HAL) that this happened to. I hope her fellow passengers are more tolerant than some on this board.

How many people are not dressed to code because of missing luggage? Not too many. How many people would like to use this argument as an excuse not to follow the requested dress code. A lot. :D

bcd2010
October 1st, 2009, 10:03 AM
Cruises have always been marketed as special experiences and part of that specialness has always been formal nights. The thing that makes these nights special is that everyone (most) dresses up and treats them as special. People look great! They are formal nights, not dinners, and HAL, Princess, Celebrity and others ask that you remain in your formal dress for the evening. Would you go to a prom and change into casual clothes after dinner for the dancing? Would you dress up for a wedding and then change for the reception? Some may answer yes but the above cruise lines ask that you remain dressed on formal nights so as to continue the special feeling of the evening in the lounges and entertainment venues.


Many people do not follow the dress request and rationalize their response: "It's my vacation. Many other people didn't follow the code so I didn't. I dress up for work all year long. My shoes hurt. We ate in the Lido." Obviously, if you are going to the pool or working out on the deck or gym you would be changing into other clothes. But if you're going to the other spots you would stick out by wearing t-shirts and shorts or jeans and tennis shoes to the show or casino. And yes, it does reduce the specialness of the event for the rest of us when the people next to you at the show have shorts and t-shirts on and you are all dressed up. Not that you need to think about anyone but yourself....

P.S. I think formal nights are fun and the women look great!

Thank you MrMac. I've been thinking the same thing but haven't bothered to post because the current of the very few is so strong and I just didn't want to bother. I think most who point out the policy and a willingness to adhere to it are simply trying to inform.

A comment was made about your statement "Not that you need to think about anyone but yourself...." I thought you were referring to the people who won't dress up, not to those who think as you do. Look at the excuses they give: "It's my vacation. Many other people didn't follow the code so I didn't. I dress up for work all year long. My shoes hurt. We ate in the Lido." That is what looks like "Not... think(ing) about anyone but yourself". You had already stated a broader view in your post.

It reminds of my brother who lives in a state that requires motorcycle helmets when riding. He says they are infringing on his rights to do what he wants. I ask him "What about MY rights to not have your brains smeared all over my windshield?" He never answers, goes off in a different direction. The few (same) people who jump into all the threads adamantly stating that they won't follow the policy aren't voicing consideration for what anyone else wants, what everyone else also paid for (their vacations that include dressing for the evening so as to enjoy the "specialness" of it), what the preferences and "rights" are for the vast majority of people who do dress as specified and stay dressed through the evening.

I worry about people, esp. first-time HAL cruisers who are seriously looking for info/guidance. To look at many of these threads, they might get the impression that most people don't adhere to the policy. My experience onboard has been that the vast majority DO (even the children, so cute in their frilly little dresses and suits, sometimes even a tux or 2). Those who protest are right that, usually, nobody says things or gives dirty looks - that's civility, not approval or condoning acceptance.

hogwildcruzers
October 1st, 2009, 10:33 AM
Lost luggage is a special exception and nobody could or would say anything about it.......changing clothes after dinner is a choice......it is a special night and that means the entire night, not just dinner.

mrmac....I agree with your post totally 100%.

DizzyDallasDi
October 1st, 2009, 02:11 PM
Lost luggage is a special exception and nobody could or would say anything about it.......changing clothes after dinner is a choice......it is a special night and that means the entire night, not just dinner.

mrmac....I agree with your post totally 100%.

How would you know if people were wearing casual attire because of lost luggage or because they simply wanted to? My friend is in the Med on a cruise and her luggage (along with the rest of her group of 14) did not make it to the ship. You make it sound like there would be a way of knowing what their circumstances were.

pipedreams62
October 1st, 2009, 03:34 PM
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RuthC
October 1st, 2009, 04:30 PM
How would you know if people were wearing casual attire because of lost luggage or because they simply wanted to? My friend is in the Med on a cruise and her luggage (along with the rest of her group of 14) did not make it to the ship. You make it sound like there would be a way of knowing what their circumstances were.
When people are wearing something different at least once a day, they can't claim "lost luggage". Carry-ons don't hold that much.

Copper10-8
October 1st, 2009, 06:07 PM
1. HAL has a recommended dress code! That's a fact! It has been published here ad nauseum. Frequent fliers to this site of sites know it by heart and can recite it when awakened from a sleepy stupor at 0321 hours.

2. Said dress code is 'enforced' by HAL staff on formal nights in the main dining room, albeit inconsistently. I've also heard it enforced inside the Pinnacle Grill, albeit inconsistently.

3. That means if you don't dress per 'da code' you run the risk of being send to your room without passing 'go' and w/o collecting $200

4. HAL requests that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening 'in order to complement your fellow guests'. There are guests (as we can see here) who choose not to observe the 'suggested' code. That's their decision and HAL doesn't keel-haul them for making it. I've never see anyone dressed in anything less than formal kicked out of the Crow's Nest, Casino, Show Lounge, you name it, on a formal night.

5. If you don't want to dress up on formal night, you have the option to dine in the Lido restaurant (in Canaletto on those dam ships that offer it) and/or order room service. The stuff about only being allowed only on the Lido (and other open) deck(s) is great but not wrtitten down anywhere. Plus, you've gotta be able to get to the Lido without having to rappel down the exterior of the ship to get there. In other words, we, the ones who dress up, will run into pax who are not dressed up.

6. Last time I checked, those that do adhere to the dress code outnumber those that don't. On HAL ships, there's still that atmosphere, that ambiance. that folks look for on formal night. Yes, you might see some shorts, you might see some t-shirts but it shouldn't run your vacation!

7. Don't sweat the small stuff! Life's too short!:cool:

iancal
October 1st, 2009, 09:07 PM
Copper-10....your number 7 is RIGHT on.

Too many uptight folks running about worrying about whether it is ok for poor old me to change into my dockers (do they have to be Dockers?), put on my BUTTON DOWN SHIRT (hope this passes inspection) after dinner and go down to the show or more probably the casino. Sometimes I put on a jacket but not very often because I find it too warm in the bars and in the casino. Sometimes I wear suede deck shoes, other times a very 'smart' pair of loafers (never, never penny loafers of course). My socks always match my slacks. I don't worry. I just enjoy the vacation away from our normal routine. We have never lost our luggage and quite often I carry on my 21" roller.

DizzyDallasDi
October 1st, 2009, 10:16 PM
When people are wearing something different at least once a day, they can't claim "lost luggage". Carry-ons don't hold that much.

Wow...you actually make note of what everyone is wearing at different times each day? :eek: Unless you were making mental notes about peoples attire, you would not know if they had changed. A bit obsessive, wouldn't you agree?

Boytjie
October 1st, 2009, 10:28 PM
Copper-10....your number 7 is RIGHT on.

Too many uptight folks running about worrying about whether it is ok for poor old me to change into my dockers (do they have to be Dockers?), put on my BUTTON DOWN SHIRT (hope this passes inspection) after dinner and go down to the show or more probably the casino. Sometimes I put on a jacket but not very often because I find it too warm in the bars and in the casino. Sometimes I wear suede deck shoes, other times a very 'smart' pair of loafers (never, never penny loafers of course). My socks always match my slacks. I don't worry. I just enjoy the vacation away from our normal routine. We have never lost our luggage and quite often I carry on my 21" roller.

What makes you think others are worried about it? Just because it is discussed here does not mean its an obsession. :rolleyes:

CruiserBruce
October 1st, 2009, 10:30 PM
Thanks Copper for a logical presentation of the "facts".

How "short" are you!!

Glad to see you active again.:D

Copper10-8
October 2nd, 2009, 12:13 AM
...............How "short" are you!!

.................

Christmas Eve (Day Watch) Bruce!;)

Topsham
October 2nd, 2009, 05:58 AM
How many posters, who prefer to change into something casual after dinner, would continue to cruise with HAL if the company were to 'insist' that the dress code be adhered to for the entire evening?

Would you continue to cruise with HAL or book on one of the lines that do not have a dress code?

Stephen

momofmeg
October 2nd, 2009, 08:27 AM
If you are concerned about being dressed the same as most of the other guests, stay dressed up on formal nights with your uncomfortable shoes, etc. If I find my formal outfit uncomfortable, shoes are killing me, etc. after diner I’ll change into a long dark color (navy blue or black) knit dress that is as comfortable as a nightgown and put on a comfortable pair of silver sandals and go back out to enjoy the rest of the evening.

Aunty Pat


Barefoot Windjammer - Phantom ‘81
K&D German Rhine Line ‘84
NCL - Norway ’85, Pride of America ’05, Southward ’87, Star ’97 & ‘05, Starward ’92, Sun ’02 & Windward ’93
RCC - Song of America ‘89
American Hawaiian - Independence ‘98
HAL - Volendam ’99, Noordam ’06, Oosterdam ’07 & ‘09, Statendam ’02 & ‘08, Prinsendam ’03 & ’06, & Zuiderdam ’04, ’06 & ’07, Westerdam ‘09
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Pending Cruises:
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Aunty Pat-I don't buy uncomfortable shoes period-dressy or casual-I have several pairs of dressy strappy sandals with kitten heels-I have no problem wearing them. I have not worn shoes that hurt my feet to "look good" since I was 30. There are plenty out in the stores, of formal wear shoes that are comfortable.

Gator83
October 2nd, 2009, 08:56 AM
Because that is what HAL suggests? :rolleyes:


I disagree....if you can go into the Lido with a certain outfit then you can spend the whole night in the outfit. Makes no sense to let people dress more casual in the buffet (Because they don't want to dress up for the MDR) and then make them change to other clothes for the evening. That is what is interesting about adding the buffet years ago. In the past there was no buffet so everyone dressed up and stayed that way but now that you can go to the buffet in casual clothes, then they can't say you can't be that way the rest of the evening....it makes no sense.

BTW...I eat in the MDR and stay dressed for the evening.

Gator83
October 2nd, 2009, 09:00 AM
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suse
October 2nd, 2009, 09:09 AM
Yeah, this thread got way complicated. So many issues.:)

SeaMatesNYC
October 2nd, 2009, 09:15 AM
My friend is in the Med on a cruise and her luggage (along with the rest of her group of 14) did not make it to the ship.

Did they ever find the missing 13 passengers?:D

Boytjie
October 2nd, 2009, 10:56 AM
I disagree....if you can go into the Lido with a certain outfit then you can spend the whole night in the outfit. Makes no sense to let people dress more casual in the buffet (Because they don't want to dress up for the MDR) and then make them change to other clothes for the evening.

Well, feel free to may disagree wiith but you are also disagreeing with HAL's stated dress code.

That is what is interesting about adding the buffet years ago. In the past there was no buffet so everyone dressed up and stayed that way but now that you can go to the buffet in casual clothes, then they can't say you can't be that way the rest of the evening....it makes no sense.

HAL's dress code says exacly that: the dress code applies to the public areas.

esther e
October 2nd, 2009, 11:17 AM
I have the perfect answer to all this: those who dress can go into the public areas at will; those who chose not to, must wear a tag stating they didn't want to dress and there will be areas designated just for them. This way, everyone who is dressed up will be together; those who are "casual" will be together. And nobody has to see the other group.;)

Why did it take a woman to decide this???:confused:

RuthC
October 2nd, 2009, 02:45 PM
Wow...you actually make note of what everyone is wearing at different times each day? :eek: Unless you were making mental notes about peoples attire, you would not know if they had changed. A bit obsessive, wouldn't you agree?
Not at all obsessive. Some people are observant of the world around them; others are oblivious.

suse
October 2nd, 2009, 03:30 PM
That's a classy return!:)

Opinions
October 2nd, 2009, 03:51 PM
HAL's dress code says exacly that: the dress code applies to the public areas.

The only mention of "public areas" in the HAL dress code is..."T-shirts, swimsuits,tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public area during the evening hours".

northernphoenix
October 2nd, 2009, 04:51 PM
Just returned from Ak on the Volendam ( sigh ) Septemer 2,2009. I must say that while preparing for this first time cruise, we were determined to meet the dress requirement. DD(23) dressed in very apprpriate dinner attire from cocktail to pencil skirts and dresssy tops; DH looked amazing in his tux on Formal night, but still was my dream man in his dockers and casual plaid shirts on the alternate evenigs, DBIL wore a very nicely tailored navy suit on formal nights, but again was as handsome as ever in his khakis; and I dressed in cocktail length dress/evening pants or dressy pants/tops. otherwise. The general impression that I did come away with on any evening was that the surrounding company did seem to be enjoying their own personal experience. I cannot say that I can actually respond to being offended in any way by any other passenger on any evening. Loved this holiday, and fervently hope that all the pax did the same.

Boytjie
October 2nd, 2009, 05:12 PM
The only mention of "public areas" in the HAL dress code is..."T-shirts, swimsuits,tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public area during the evening hours".

And further down:
In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America Line asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening.
Now surely they won't be talking about staying in dress code in your cabin... :rolleyes:

Copper10-8
October 2nd, 2009, 05:16 PM
............ DD(23) dressed in very apprpriate dinner attire from cocktail to pencil skirts ....................

Ma'am, what is a 'pencil skirt"? A knuckledragger thanks you! (attempting to improve my overall metrosexual knowledge);)

Texas Tillie
October 2nd, 2009, 05:24 PM
Ma'am, what is a 'pencil skirt"? A knuckledragger thanks you! (attempting to improve my overall metrosexual knowledge);)

In the "old" days this was known as a straight skirt. Think of one with a "kick" pleat on the back seam.

Kittycat2009
October 2nd, 2009, 05:53 PM
I am not surprised at the amount of threads about the dress code on the ship. We just took our first cruise on September 11th. Reading thru HAL's ship rules I took alot of clothes thinking I would have to change before dinner, certainly didn't want to be thrown out of the dining room. ;) I was pleasantly surprised that smart casual is just that. No need to dress to the nines every night. There were several nights where we went to dinner in our daywear, which by the way wasn't sloppy or anything. :rolleyes: We did dress up for formal nights. Personally, I enjoy doing so. I have several lovely dresses that I don't get wear that often.

All this to say, I think the dress code is much ado about nothing. As long as you are neat and presentable you will pass inspection. :D

COLLEYBERRY
October 2nd, 2009, 06:12 PM
The only mention of "public areas" in the HAL dress code is..."T-shirts, swimsuits,tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public area during the evening hours".

In my vast cruise experience( two whole cruises :rolleyes:) I saw very few people dressed inapproprately for the venue or the occasion. There were a few dressed to" code "who I wondered if they had a mirror ,but you know what ,they were smiling and seemed to be enjoying themselves and that afterall is why we cruise.(who am I to judge their taste)

But I do recall one fellow,( 60ish) striding purposely through the dining room on formal night.He was wearing shorts , tee shirt ,ball cap( which I personally don't think should ever be worn if there is a ceiling:) ) and a very defiant look.( go ahead ,somebody confront me if you dare).I remember thinking I read about you on CC.

Now maybe he had a late lunch :D or maybe he had already been asked to leave.I was just glad it wasn't my job to remind him of Hal 's suggested dress code.It must be the one thing dining staff dread the most.

watchdiva
October 2nd, 2009, 06:32 PM
Not at all obsessive. Some people are observant of the world around them; others are oblivious.

Sorry RuthC - I don't consider myself oblivious at all - yet I don't waste my time looking at what someone is wearing when there's beautiful scenery right out the window. I always have to laugh when I read these threads........same old, same old.......

After 2 HAL cruises - we decided it just wasn't the product that we were interested in.

momatibm
October 2nd, 2009, 06:57 PM
I've been sailing since the '80s -- the first cruise my DH bought a Tux because at that time it was cheaper than renting. Our other cruises he's worn a dark suit, I've done a velvet skirt and fancy top. The only thing I've ever noticed in the MDR is the folks from Open seating being brought upstairs, but not what they were wearing.

I've not done the Lido for dinner. I like the MDR -- I eat like the MDR at home when I got out to dinner.

Now just to put all this in perspective -- I work full time. I sometimes work a 13 hour day. I then come home and fix dinner 8 of 10 nights. I am the only person in my office that does this. ---They haven't figured it out == because I cook -- we save money -- we can cruise with my other frugalities.

Sorry if I went off thread.

hogwildcruzers
October 2nd, 2009, 07:41 PM
I just don't understand....2 nights on a 7 night cruise is all HAL is asking you to stay dressed in your formal wear for the entire evening.....why do people have to be so defiant or rebelling on this.......it is such a special night......suck it up and just be an adult for a few hours.

baggal
October 2nd, 2009, 08:27 PM
I just don't understand....2 nights on a 7 night cruise is all HAL is asking you to stay dressed in your formal wear for the entire evening.....why do people have to be so defiant or rebelling on this.......it is such a special night......suck it up and just be an adult for a few hours.

If you know the guidelines before you book - BOOK ANOTHER CRUISE LINE OR STAY HOME IN YOUR PJ'S AND SWEATS. Its really not such a difficult choice.

Cqis
October 2nd, 2009, 08:58 PM
Why do any of you own uncomfortable evening clothes.All of mine are comfortable .I buy shoes that fit and wear them a few times, sure high heels are not comfortabe , wear flats. With all the new styles some must be ok. Men take the tire of and be very seek with one top button undone.
Come on be James Bond a few days in your life.

Cely

photomikey
October 2nd, 2009, 10:11 PM
If you know the guidelines before you book - BOOK ANOTHER CRUISE LINE OR STAY HOME IN YOUR PJ'S AND SWEATS. Its really not such a difficult choice.
1) Why is it always PJ's and Sweats? I've never seen anyone in PJs or Sweats on formal night. I have seen people in (brace yourself) a sportcoat with khaki pants, a sportcoat with jeans, and even a button up shirt with no coat at all. I have never seen anyone in PJs or Sweats in the dining room.

2) It doesn't ruin the sportcoat people's day when you wear your tux/dress/whatever. Why do you let it ruin yours when they wear what they please?

DizzyDallasDi
October 2nd, 2009, 10:47 PM
Not at all obsessive. Some people are observant of the world around them; others are oblivious.

Well, when I'm on a cruise the last thing I care about observing is how many times my fellow passengers have changed in a day. There are so many more interesting things to observe...the scenery, the ocean, the sun, the wake, the moon, the stars, the ship itself, etc. I stand by my contention that it is obsessive to observe one's fellow passengers' attire and make note as to whether they've changed clothes during the day.

RevNeal
October 2nd, 2009, 11:05 PM
1) Why is it always PJ's and Sweats? I've never seen anyone in PJs or Sweats on formal night. I have seen people in (brace yourself) a sportcoat with khaki pants, a sportcoat with jeans, and even a button up shirt with no coat at all. I have never seen anyone in PJs or Sweats in the dining room.

I have ... on Formal Nights in Alaska. I've also seen shorts and t-shirts on Formal Nights in the Caribbean.

2) It doesn't ruin the sportcoat people's day when you wear your tux/dress/whatever. Why do you let it ruin yours when they wear what they please?

Sportcoats don't "ruin" my Formal Nights; neither do shorts and t-shirts. "Ruining" is an unwarranted exaggeration usually used by those who wish to pooh-pooh the problem. Shorts and t-shirts, sweats and other such attire do have the tendency to mar the overall environment and ambiance of the evening ... an environment and ambiance for which I have paid but which is being intruded upon by those who refuse to "play along" in the dining room and the principle lounges.

iancal
October 2nd, 2009, 11:26 PM
The only things the mar our formal night are slow/bad service, bad or poorly prepared food, and any cruise line that still has that baked alaska parade, or major league complainers/braggers as tablemates.

Copper10-8
October 2nd, 2009, 11:58 PM
Despite what you may have seen on the streets, the following combinations DO NOT go together and should be avoided:

1. A nose ring and bifocals
2. Spiked hair and bald spots
3. A pierced tongue and dentures
4. Miniskirts and support hose
5. Ankle bracelets and corn pads
6. Speedos and cellulite
7. A belly button ring and a gall bladder surgery scar
8. Unbuttoned disco shirts and a heart monitor
9. Midriff shirts and a midriff bulge
10. Bikinis and liver spots
11. Short shorts and varicose veins
12. Inline skates and a walker

And last, but not least...my personal favorite:

13. Thongs and Depends

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 12:01 AM
.........."Ruining" is an unwarranted exaggeration usually used by those who wish to pooh-pooh the problem................

What's the problem?:cool:

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 12:05 AM
The only things the mar our formal night are slow/bad service, bad or poorly prepared food, and any cruise line that still has that baked alaska parade, or major league complainers/braggers as tablemates.

Now those are the things that can threaten to ruin a formal night or even a whole cruise. :)

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 12:10 AM
Despite what you may have seen on the streets, the following combinations DO NOT go together and should be avoided:

1. A nose ring and bifocals

3. A pierced tongue and dentures

7. A belly button ring and a gall bladder surgery scar


Ironically, it won't be all that many years before some of those with nose rings, pierced tongues, and and belly button rings are wearing bifocals, dentures, and have gall bladder surgery scars! It's kinda hard to stop aging, and while young people think they'll never grow old ... they do. :) Youth is wasted on the young.

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 12:13 AM
What's the problem?:cool:

The so-called "ruining" of evenings.

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 12:20 AM
The so-called "ruining" of evenings.

And that brings us back to square #1. My/our evening is not ruined when I/we see someone not dressed to 'da code' on formal night(s) so there is no 'problem'. It's just not worth paying attention to plus the 'ambiance' you/we are looking for is still there. When/if 'they' (the so called 'evening ruiners') ever become the majority, we'll cross that bridge when we get there

babyher
October 3rd, 2009, 09:52 AM
Ironically, it won't be all that many years before some of those with nose rings, pierced tongues, and and belly button rings are wearing bifocals, dentures, and have gall bladder surgery scars! It's kinda hard to stop aging, and while young people think they'll never grow old ... they do. :) Youth is wasted on the young.


*LOL* very true :)

I feel that way about some of the names people give kids these days. They are cute right now when they are little . But one day the nursing homes and senior centers will be filled with Jasmine Sunflowers and Troy Argyles *LOL*

Not an Edna, Thelma, Harry or Barney in the crowd *LOL*

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 09:56 AM
And that brings us back to square #1. My/our evening is not ruined when I/we see someone not dressed to 'da code' on formal night(s) so there is no 'problem'. It's just not worth paying attention to plus the 'ambiance' you/we are looking for is still there. When/if 'they' (the so called 'evening ruiners') ever become the majority, we'll cross that bridge when we get there

Which was my point.
My/our Formal Evenings really are not "ruined" by those not dressing according to the code; that word, "ruined," is an exaggeration. Nevertheless, I/we would probably also have to admit that I/we have grown weary of having to pretend that there isn't a negative impact made upon the ambiance or "feel" of that evening by those who refuse to "play along" ... an ambiance or "feel" which was part of the advertised-product which I/we bought from the Line and which the Line -- through its marketing and, yes, its dress code -- has sold me/us. The cruise and/or that ambiance doesn't have to be "ruined" for it to be, nevertheless, impacted by those who, through design or neglect or disrespect or poor behavior*, refuse to "play along" and want to make sure that everybody else knows they're not playing along.



(*Note: I'm NOT just talking about dress, for the Formal Night ambiance can be harmed just as much by people behaving like boorish prigs as by those dressing like bohemians)

big al
October 3rd, 2009, 10:07 AM
:D at 6rugrats.

We are people who seldom do much inside after dinner. We eat late, return to the cabin and "dress down", then stroll on the Promenade deck. Hang out by the aft pool, enjoy the night and the sounds of the ocean, then we're ready for the late night buffet :)

IMHO because there are other choices for dining (Lido, room service), it is silly for HAL to expect that only those who are dressed in the defined "formal wear" will be seen in public areas on formal night. As catl331 mentioned, there are no clothing police beyond the maitre d' in the dining room and the Pinnacle manager. I can't imagine a crew member asking you to leave the show or the casino because you aren't dressed in formal wear.

We've never tried to dress down and attend a show or anything, but we certainly go through public areas in our "deck-walking" clothes after dinner on formal night.

100 % agreed...after 24 cruises,we're done with the formal stuff..we SOMETIMES (rarely now) do the formal night,but dressing up on my VACATION would be like the Postman on his day off,he takes a walk...I dress EVERY day in the hot Florida heat & humidity,CONSTANTLY uncomfortable-only a moron would do the same on their cruise vacation.....dress up if you want,but WE go back to our cabin and put on our Tommy Bahamas/dockers/casual CRUISE WEAR and I will not be bullied by the clothing police either....and a final comment-I've NEVER thought it's anybody's business what OTHER people wear to the dining room...we're on VACATION,not attending a formal fashion show....

Big Al

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 10:12 AM
Which was my point.
My/our Formal Evenings really are not "ruined" by those not dressing according to the code; that word, "ruined," is an exaggeration. Nevertheless, I/we would probably also have to admit that I/we have grown weary of having to pretend that there isn't a negative impact made upon the ambiance or "feel" of that evening by those who refuse to "play along" ... an ambiance or "feel" which was part of the advertised-product which I/we bought from the Line and which the Line -- through its marketing and, yes, its dress code -- has sold me/us. The cruise and/or that ambiance doesn't have to be "ruined" for it to be, nevertheless, impacted by those who, through design or neglect or disrespect or poor behavior*, refuse to "play along" and want to make sure that everybody else knows they're not playing along.



(*Note: I'm NOT just talking about dress, for the Formal Night ambiance can be harmed just as much by people behaving like boorish prigs as by those dressing like bohemians)


Well, you and I obviously differ as to the extent of 'negative impact' on the ambiance those that 'don't play along' have. It just doesn't bother us and we still have a great time but, as they say, to each his/her own

cruz chic
October 3rd, 2009, 10:28 AM
100 % agreed...after 24 cruises,we're done with the formal stuff..we SOMETIMES (rarely now) do the formal night,but dressing up on my VACATION would be like the Postman on his day off,he takes a walk...I dress EVERY day in the hot Florida heat & humidity,CONSTANTLY uncomfortable-only a moron would do the same on their cruise vacation.....dress up if you want,but WE go back to our cabin and put on our Tommy Bahamas/dockers/casual CRUISE WEAR and I will not be bullied by the clothing police either....and a final comment-I've NEVER thought it's anybody's business what OTHER people wear to the dining room...we're on VACATION,not attending a formal fashion show....

Big Al
But the difference is she does dress for dinner. As far as being called a moron for dressing up....that is really offensive. Hal does expect that people will dress as suggested. I bet you would be the first person to complain if they did not let you in to the dining room because you don't meet the code. I dress up for work every day....it's no big deal. Dressing up a few times on a cruise because you have respect for your self and others....also no big deal.

baggal
October 3rd, 2009, 10:33 AM
100 % agreed...after 24 cruises,we're done with the formal stuff..we SOMETIMES (rarely now) do the formal night,but dressing up on my VACATION would be like the Postman on his day off,he takes a walk...I dress EVERY day in the hot Florida heat & humidity,CONSTANTLY uncomfortable-only a moron would do the same on their cruise vacation.....dress up if you want,but WE go back to our cabin and put on our Tommy Bahamas/dockers/casual CRUISE WEAR and I will not be bullied by the clothing police either....and a final comment-I've NEVER thought it's anybody's business what OTHER people wear to the dining room...we're on VACATION,not attending a formal fashion show....

Big Al

That's exactly the point that many posters seem to be missing. Everybody's idea of a VACATION is different. To some, "dressing" for dinner, and remaining that way throughout the evening, is part of the VACATION experience for them. I just wish more people were respectful of other people's vacation experience.

suse
October 3rd, 2009, 10:59 AM
The poster who talked about the guy who wandered into the MDR with no shirt. That was funny. Actually, quite hilarious. There is a reason for dress codes, this being one of many.:)

Cruising-along
October 3rd, 2009, 11:18 AM
Well, you and I obviously differ as to the extent of 'negative impact' on the ambiance those that 'don't play along' have. It just doesn't bother us and we still have a great time but, as they say, to each his/her own

John, I couldn't agree more with everything you have said. We always dress to code, but we really don't notice or care what others are wearing. Life is too short to stress about these things!

I have read posts by some pax who actually choose a table so as to have the best view of others' attire. Unbelievable.

big al
October 3rd, 2009, 11:34 AM
But the difference is she does dress for dinner. As far as being called a moron for dressing up....that is really offensive. Hal does expect that people will dress as suggested. I bet you would be the first person to complain if they did not let you in to the dining room because you don't meet the code. I dress up for work every day....it's no big deal. Dressing up a few times on a cruise because you have respect for your self and others....also no big deal.

THAT SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE,If you want to dress up...and you don't decide what is a big deal for myself & my wife-WE decide...so many DRB's on these boards..some people when I see them at the pool/buffet are so disgusting,it's amazing..BUT,I don't say,"that so and so is so fat in that outfit,they got some nerve showing THAT at the pool".... I find people who walk from the buffet with 2 huge FULL plates of food and are 50-100+ lbs. overweight offensive because I know what weight can do to the body..BUT,it is THEIR decision,their vacation,their choice,NOT YOURS OR MINE.....

A man told me once that seeing 2 teens dressed in jeans in the MDR "RUINED" his cruise vacation-RUINED his cruise vacation!!! I should've smacked him right there....the ONLY thing that could ruin my cruise is sickness while on board,a TERRIBLE crew & service,and possibly horrible weather the whole week(which would NOT be the ship's fault)... If teens or anyone "RUIN" your cruise because of what THEY WEAR to the MDR,you need to get a life and I would also suggest an MRI first day you get back,because clearly there's something wrong with this person....

Big Al

Zappa Fan
October 3rd, 2009, 11:57 AM
Very well put, Big Al. It amuses me to see the obese in what they think is attractive "formal wear".;)

swedish weave
October 3rd, 2009, 12:01 PM
Just a thought for those of you who object to the way others dress. They do it because HAL allows them to do it.

I have seen suggestions that those people should book another cruise line, and I don't agree. Logically, those who want more strict dress codes should find another cruise line which enforces dress codes that meet their standards.

Result --- Everybody is happy !!!!!

pipedreams62
October 3rd, 2009, 12:11 PM
I find people who walk from the buffet with 2 huge FULL plates of food and are 50-100+ lbs. overweight offensive because I know what weight can do to the body..BUT,it is THEIR decision,their vacation,their choice,NOT YOURS OR MINE.....



Big Al


He also wore his bathrobe to the lido


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suse
October 3rd, 2009, 12:14 PM
Very well put, Big Al. It amuses me to see the obese in what they think is attractive "formal wear".;)
another time, maybe.

CowPrincess
October 3rd, 2009, 12:26 PM
100 % agreed...after 24 cruises,we're done with the formal stuff..we SOMETIMES (rarely now) do the formal night,but dressing up on my VACATION would be like the Postman on his day off,he takes a walk...I dress EVERY day in the hot Florida heat & humidity,CONSTANTLY uncomfortable-only a moron would do the same on their cruise vacation.....dress up if you want,but WE go back to our cabin and put on our Tommy Bahamas/dockers/casual CRUISE WEAR and I will not be bullied by the clothing police either....and a final comment-I've NEVER thought it's anybody's business what OTHER people wear to the dining room...we're on VACATION,not attending a formal fashion show....

Big Al

See, I don't think we are in 100% agreement. We do dress to code for formal night dinner in the MDR, THEN we dress down for our time on deck. I like to see others dressed up for formal night dinners. After that, I don't care what they wear, and certainly (unless the clothing is skimpy, revealing, or too tight) really don't notice.

This is an unending, ongoing burr under many people's saddles, and certainly gets people riled. IMHO if the thighs, arse, and chest are COVERED, and baseball caps are not in evidence, I'm not likely to be taken aback by whatever other inappropriate choice of clothing a person makes on formal night.

I do stand by my comment that I think it is silly for HAL to try to enforce the "formal" dress code everywhere on the ship, given that there are non-formal choices for avoiding the formal nights in the MDR. What does HAL expect, that someone eating in the Lido will then immediately scurry back to their cabin, and not be seen in the public areas till the next morning?

cruz chic
October 3rd, 2009, 12:26 PM
THAT SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE,If you want to dress up...and you don't decide what is a big deal for myself & my wife-WE decide...so many DRB's on these boards..some people when I see them at the pool/buffet are so disgusting,it's amazing..BUT,I don't say,"that so and so is so fat in that outfit,they got some nerve showing THAT at the pool".... I find people who walk from the buffet with 2 huge FULL plates of food and are 50-100+ lbs. overweight offensive because I know what weight can do to the body..BUT,it is THEIR decision,their vacation,their choice,NOT YOURS OR MINE.....

A man told me once that seeing 2 teens dressed in jeans in the MDR "RUINED" his cruise vacation-RUINED his cruise vacation!!! I should've smacked him right there....the ONLY thing that could ruin my cruise is sickness while on board,a TERRIBLE crew & service,and possibly horrible weather the whole week(which would NOT be the ship's fault)... If teens or anyone "RUIN" your cruise because of what THEY WEAR to the MDR,you need to get a life and I would also suggest an MRI first day you get back,because clearly there's something wrong with this person....

Big Al
But you are saying anyone that dresses up is a moron...like you say it s/b be a persons choice. I'm always wondering why people choose to cruise with a formal cruise line when it's so far from what you want to aspire to. Lets bring the overweight people into the argument. How about some smokers or perfume over users too?

CowPrincess
October 3rd, 2009, 12:30 PM
Let bring the overweight people into the argument. How about some smokers or perfume over users too?

Uh-oh, the start of "the thread that will never die" :D

It's my right to eat myself to 300% of my optimal body weight. It is my right to pollute everyone's air by smoking in non-smoking areas. And yes, it is my right to bathe in perfume, so my perfume arrives in a venue 45 seconds before I do.

Hey, it's MY vacation. :D

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 12:37 PM
.........................
I do stand by my comment that I think it is silly for HAL to try to enforce the "formal" dress code everywhere on the ship, given that there are non-formal choices for avoiding the formal nights in the MDR. What does HAL expect, that someone eating in the Lido will then immediately scurry back to their cabin, and not be seen in the public areas till the next morning?

Just a heads up, HAL requests their pax to observe the dress code throughout the entire evening but, apart from the main dining room (and even there enforcement is inconsistent at best), sometimes the Pinnacle Grill and rarely the Ocean Bar (apparently when ordering drinks), they do not enforce the "code" (unless things have drastically changed recently).

CowPrincess
October 3rd, 2009, 12:39 PM
Just a heads up, HAL requests their pax to observe the dress code throughout the entire evening but, apart from the main dining room (and even there enforcement is inconsistent at best), sometimes the Pinnacle Grill and rarely the Ocean Bar (apparently when ordering drinks), they do not enforce the "code" (unless things have drastically changed recently).

Then let me re-state as "I think it is silly for HAL to expect the code will be followed...." :)

babyher
October 3rd, 2009, 12:43 PM
Uh-oh, the start of "the thread that will never die" :D

It's my right to eat myself to 300% of my optimal body weight. It is my right to pollute everyone's air by smoking in non-smoking areas. And yes, it is my right to bathe in perfume, so my perfume arrives in a venue 45 seconds before I do.

Hey, it's MY vacation. :D


Wow you sound like some of the women my mom plays Canasta with in Del Rey Beach *LOL*

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 12:43 PM
Then let me re-state as "I think it is silly for HAL to expect the code will be followed...." :)

They (HAL) request it to be followed in order to "compliment our fellow pax"

The issue here is that some choose not to follow that request and then the proverbial can of night crawlers is opened;)

cruz chic
October 3rd, 2009, 01:03 PM
Uh-oh, the start of "the thread that will never die" :D

It's my right to eat myself to 300% of my optimal body weight. It is my right to pollute everyone's air by smoking in non-smoking areas. And yes, it is my right to bathe in perfume, so my perfume arrives in a venue 45 seconds before I do.

Hey, it's MY vacation. :D
So true. Repeat after me...me...me...it's all about me:D.

big al
October 3rd, 2009, 01:05 PM
But you are saying anyone that dresses up is a moron...like you say it s/b be a persons choice. I'm always wondering why people choose to cruise with a formal cruise line when it's so far from what you want to aspire to. Lets bring the overweight people into the argument. How about some smokers or perfume over users too?

I.E.-When I was 17,I worked in the summer time 6 nights a week in a movie theater..if you remember (60's-70's),that was when they were called "ushers".I would either tear the ticket up,OR show them to their seats.Guess what I did on my ONE night off? Yep,that's right- I took my girlfriend TO THE MOVIES because we got in free....my father said to me-"so-on your ONE night off,you take Joanie to the movies???Don't be a moron-can't you think of something classier or more original? That's like the POSTMAN on his day off he takes a walk"....that is what I mean-for ME,it seems moronic to dress formally on vacation....didn't do that in Hawaii,Mexico,London,etc....as for the cruise line,the fact that HAL and now most others are doing "my time/any time dining" shows they moving towards a more casual,eat when & where you want" atmosphere,which I personally much prefer...just like at a resort,I would choose what time I eat,where I eat,with whom I eat,and now you can even choose WHAT you eat with the more dining options available...we also choose cruise lines now (after cruising all but Costa) based more on the itinerary and deal...we have favorites,but now we pay attention to what I mentioned and sometimes the ship itself (layout,amenities,cabins,dining options,entertainment,etc..),,sorry if I offended YOU...but another poster said it:this debate over dressing in the MDR's has been going on since cruise lines eased their dress codes in the early 2000-2001 season..I welcome it.. A man about 3 years ago told me on formal night (he wasn't dressed formal at all..):"I donned a dark suit & tie for 45 years..now I wear suits and ties at only funerals and weddings... Now,for once in my life,I decided to be comfortable.." Amen to that.....

Big Al
Still Cruising After All These Years...

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 01:47 PM
... dressing up on my VACATION would be like the Postman on his day off,he takes a walk...I dress EVERY day in the hot Florida heat & humidity,CONSTANTLY uncomfortable-only a moron would do the same on their cruise vacation...

I live in hot, humid Texas.
I dress up every Sunday in suite in clerics.
I wear slacks and clerics most days.
When on vacation I don't wear clerics except on Formal Nights and Sundays and if I happen to be working on that cruise. Otherwise, I wear slacks and silk prints/button down shirts/ etc. on Smart Casual nights, and Tuxedo with bow tie or Nehru with clericals on Formal Nights.'
Am I a moron because I dress up as much, if not more-so, on cruises as I do in "everyday life"?

usha
October 3rd, 2009, 01:54 PM
My husband & I are a couple of morons who dress formally on formal night, and moronically stay dressed up throughout the evening.:D

serendipity1499
October 3rd, 2009, 01:57 PM
We have late dinner & see no reason to change after dinner, unless we were going for a walk on deck...Then I would change from heels to flats & perhaps put on a warmer wrap..

When the shows were after dinner, we honestly enjoyed sitting out on the Promenade deck as late as possible before we had to get showered & dressed for dinner..It's so peaceful at that time.:):).

I honestly don't care what others do...However, in my opinion someone in shorts & tee-shirts in the public lounges including the show & casino in the evening would be in the minority...If they are comfortable with that, who am I to judge them..

Cheers..:):)Betty

Gator83
October 3rd, 2009, 02:21 PM
1. HAL has a recommended dress code! That's a fact! It has been published here ad nauseum. Frequent fliers to this site of sites know it by heart and can recite it when awakened from a sleepy stupor at 0321 hours.

2. Said dress code is 'enforced' by HAL staff on formal nights in the main dining room, albeit inconsistently. I've also heard it enforced inside the Pinnacle Grill, albeit inconsistently.

3. That means if you don't dress per 'da code' you run the risk of being send to your room without passing 'go' and w/o collecting $200

4. HAL requests that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening 'in order to complement your fellow guests'. There are guests (as we can see here) who choose not to observe the 'suggested' code. That's their decision and HAL doesn't keel-haul them for making it. I've never see anyone dressed in anything less than formal kicked out of the Crow's Nest, Casino, Show Lounge, you name it, on a formal night.

5. If you don't want to dress up on formal night, you have the option to dine in the Lido restaurant (in Canaletto on those dam ships that offer it) and/or order room service. The stuff about only being allowed only on the Lido (and other open) deck(s) is great but not wrtitten down anywhere. Plus, you've gotta be able to get to the Lido without having to rappel down the exterior of the ship to get there. In other words, we, the ones who dress up, will run into pax who are not dressed up.

6. Last time I checked, those that do adhere to the dress code outnumber those that don't. On HAL ships, there's still that atmosphere, that ambiance. that folks look for on formal night. Yes, you might see some shorts, you might see some t-shirts but it shouldn't run your vacation!

7. Don't sweat the small stuff! Life's too short!:cool:


Nice post!

scopewest
October 3rd, 2009, 02:23 PM
It'll be interesting to see how dressed up people are on formal nights on my cruise this month.

Gator83
October 3rd, 2009, 02:38 PM
Well, feel free to may disagree wiith but you are also disagreeing with HAL's stated dress code.

HAl is sort of contradicting themselves by sayiing you can wear one thing in the Lido and then saying you can't wear it the rest of the night in public places. That's why it just doesn't make sense to me. But as I stated before, I eat in the MDR and stay dressed in what is requested.

HAL's dress code says exacly that: the dress code applies to the public areas. Then the dress code should apply to the Lido too.

Gator83
October 3rd, 2009, 02:44 PM
The only things the mar our formal night are slow/bad service, bad or poorly prepared food, and any cruise line that still has that baked alaska parade, or major league complainers/braggers as tablemates.


I agree.

Gator83
October 3rd, 2009, 02:50 PM
Lets bring the overweight people into the argument. How about some smokers or perfume over users too?


Don't get me started on the perfume over users....that does ruin my cruise.

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 03:10 PM
while my husband and i do adhere to the dress codes, we find the people who don't infinitely amusing. there was leon on a new year's eve cruise. while his wife wore a lovely dress, he came to formal dinner in a pair of black shorts, a collarless tee shirt and thong sandals. i can't remember what anyone else wore that night, but i'll always remember leon. three years later and he still elicits a good laugh from us.

lighten up people!

pipedreams62
October 3rd, 2009, 03:17 PM
while my husband and i do adhere to the dress codes, we find the people who don't infinitely amusing. there was leon on a new year's eve cruise. while his wife wore a lovely dress, he came to formal dinner in a pair of black shorts, a collarless tee shirt and thong sandals. i can't remember what anyone else wore that night, but i'll always remember leon. three years later and he still elicits a good laugh from us.

lighten up people!


Last year on Christmas Eve it was a formal night and everybody is dressed to the nines. The crows nest is having an american idol night and the crows nest is standing room only. There he is sitting at the bar "Mr. Clueless" sitting at the bar in basketball shorts,sneakers and ball cap turned backward while everybody is dressed.

timetravellers
October 3rd, 2009, 03:20 PM
We did a 3 night cruise out of PC in FL last year and were very surprised to find a lot of people had changed out of formal attire after dinner.
It hadn't even occurred to us to do so.

I suddenly felt very foreign!!:D

Gail

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 04:13 PM
Last year on Christmas Eve it was a formal night and everybody is dressed to the nines. The crows nest is having an american idol night and the crows nest is standing room only. There he is sitting at the bar "Mr. Clueless" sitting at the bar in basketball shorts,sneakers and ball cap turned backward while everybody is dressed.

You weren't supposed to notice him.

iancal
October 3rd, 2009, 04:26 PM
So here is the thing...maybe Mr. Clueless was not so clueless. Perhaps he knew the drill but was happy dressed as he was (mind you, he should not have been wearing a hat indoors). He was only Mr. Clueless because that is how you judged him. And he probably could not care less how others judged him.

suse
October 3rd, 2009, 04:30 PM
Well, all those who complain about their formal clothing. I think if you buy some really, really, good shoes, you know, spend some serious dough, then you will be happier. No need to fret then. Oh, I know, there will be a flame here, how could you say that!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get my shoes for 29 cents at Walmart and all that. But, let's be real. If you are uncomfortable in your shoes and clothes, go shopping somewhere good.:)
This is such a funny thread. It didn't disintegrate yet into the smoking and perfume....................ack.

taxmantoo
October 3rd, 2009, 04:35 PM
Last year on Christmas Eve it was a formal night and everybody is dressed to the nines. The crows nest is having an american idol night and the crows nest is standing room only. There he is sitting at the bar "Mr. Clueless" sitting at the bar in basketball shorts,sneakers and ball cap turned backward while everybody is dressed.

Hey! Watch out before you judge! Maybe the airline lost his luggage :D

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 04:57 PM
bet leon and the basketball dude are not writing posts about us!

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 05:23 PM
So here is the thing...maybe Mr. Clueless was not so clueless. Perhaps he knew the drill but was happy dressed as he was (mind you, he should not have been wearing a hat indoors). He was only Mr. Clueless because that is how you judged him. And he probably could not care less how others judged him.

Why shouldn't he have been wearing a hat indoors?
His vacation
His hat
His head

RevNeal
October 3rd, 2009, 05:27 PM
bet leon and the basketball dude are not writing posts about us!

Sure they are.
Oh, maybe not them specifically ... but others who are like them, certainly.
From whence do you think all the "snob" and "snooty" judgements come?

COLLEYBERRY
October 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM
Might be good to remember, that the most unattractive thing anyone can wear is a look of disdain for their fellowman(woman).
Should we think them too dressed up or too dressed down.:)

suse
October 3rd, 2009, 05:43 PM
Might be good to remember, that the most unattractive thing anyone can wear is a look of disdain for their fellowman(woman).
Should we think them too dressed up or too dressed down.:)
Telling it like it is. Get it?:)

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 05:55 PM
Sure they are.
Oh, maybe not them specifically ... but others who are like them, certainly.
From whence do you think all the "snob" and "snooty" judgements come?

people seem to be a bit self-righteous "from whence" you come, eh rev?

pat yourself on the back yet once again for being soooo wonderful and learn some tolerance for others!

Cruisin'Lady
October 3rd, 2009, 06:21 PM
ok...I must be a snob on both sides of the issue here....I dress up for dinner and formal nights....and after dinner when we go for a walk around the prominade before the show...I will take off my shoes and walk in my bare nylon stockings to be comfortable!

I have severe arthritis in my feet and shoes are usually more unbearable than not so I would prefer walking barefoot everywhere and I would if I could in the DR every night. But I must say...the dress code is there and I have no problems with comforming to it and I still have a good time! No one has ever commented to me that this is unacceptable to them. Although I do not think anyone notices!

We get from life what we put into it. If having to conform to a dress code bothers a person that much...then they should look for another alternative that will work for them and go with the flow of things. Not make a big deal of it and feel others are stepping on their rights. Everyone has rights!
Smile and be happy! Your on a cruise....and not everyone can afford to do that in their lifetime!:D

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 06:31 PM
Yet another typical dress code thread:rolleyes: - Pull up a chair and break out the popcorn; it just might get interesting:cool:

belle836
October 3rd, 2009, 06:53 PM
So in this thread we have:

A US Marine talking about ambiance
Someone else dissing overweight pax
Opinionated people discussing why they will or will not dress for dinner
The non-propriety of wearing a baseball cap while under any ceiling
etc, etc, etc.

Ya'll (that's Southern for "you guys") need to get ready for the retiring Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers who want to cruise 'cause they totally do their own thing and make their own rules. :):cool:

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 06:56 PM
i'm one and proud of it. but i do enjoy dressing up. i also enjoy dressing down, lol.

IRL_Joanie
October 3rd, 2009, 07:15 PM
.....Ya'll (that's Southern for "you guys") need to get ready for the retiring Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers who want to cruise 'cause they totally do their own thing and make their own rules. :):cool:


And therein lies the problem!!!

Gator83
October 3rd, 2009, 07:18 PM
Then the dress code should apply to the Lido too.



It sure should, but it doesn't. That is why it is contradictory.

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
And therein lies the problem!!!

what do you mean by problem? people shouldn't do what they want, they should do what YOU want?

iancal
October 3rd, 2009, 07:37 PM
Alas, I'm one. And I really don't care if you wear a hat inside or not. We sometimes dress formally for dinner. There will be other cruises where DW says lets forget all this stuff and just relax and be very casual. Other times we are combining land and cruise trips and just cannot be bothered with all of the pallaver of humping formal clothing about. I wear suits at work...believe me wearing a suit on a Carib. cruise is a long way from special for me. Both are fine with us. Don't care if someone at our table is wearing a tux or in casual attire. And it makes no never mind to me whether they lost their luggage or just want to be informal...and this does not imply that they are dressed in rags or unclean as some would imply. Most important to us is the conversation. If we were all to judge folk so harshly it would not be a very pleasant world. I don't spent my time trying to determine if one of my fellows passengers has changed during the day or if they wore whatever yesterday. Happy with a book by the pool or on the bacony along with a cold one or a glass of the grape.

Copper10-8
October 3rd, 2009, 07:40 PM
So in this thread we have:

A US Marine talking about ambiance
....................

There was ambiance in the Quonset huts at MCRD San Diego also, just a little bit different ambiance;)

bonsat
October 3rd, 2009, 07:59 PM
Alas, I'm one. And I really don't care if you wear a hat inside or not. We sometimes dress formally for dinner. There will be other cruises where DW says lets forget all this stuff and just relax and be very casual. Other times we are combining land and cruise trips and just cannot be bothered with all of the pallaver of humping formal clothing about. I wear suits at work...believe me wearing a suit on a Carib. cruise is a long way from special for me. Both are fine with us. Don't care if someone at our table is wearing a tux or in casual attire. And it makes no never mind to me whether they lost their luggage or just want to be informal...and this does not imply that they are dressed in rags or unclean as some would imply. Most important to us is the conversation. If we were all to judge folk so harshly it would not be a very pleasant world. I don't spent my time trying to determine if one of my fellows passengers has changed during the day or if they wore whatever yesterday. Happy with a book by the pool or on the bacony along with a cold one or a glass of the grape.

i want to sail with you!

suse
October 3rd, 2009, 08:30 PM
people seem to be a bit self-righteous "from whence" you come, eh rev?

pat yourself on the back yet once again for being soooo wonderful and learn some tolerance for others!
Prob for Rev.

Boytjie
October 3rd, 2009, 09:37 PM
You weren't supposed to notice him.

Like the guy on the QM2 on formal night, in a white suit. OK, that's fine, but when he turned around he had a long tail hanging out the back... Things that make you go HUH? :confused:

pipedreams62
October 3rd, 2009, 11:13 PM
So here is the thing...maybe Mr. Clueless was not so clueless. Perhaps he knew the drill but was happy dressed as he was (mind you, he should not have been wearing a hat indoors). He was only Mr. Clueless because that is how you judged him. And he probably could not care less how others judged him.


No problem this can be spun many different ways.

Heck years ago they put cable knit sweaters on the Menendez brothers and attempted to "Spin" it in court, that they were adorable children.


http://pipedreams62.eaph2.com/share/afunstuffsep/hypnspin3iq1.gif

usha
October 4th, 2009, 12:10 AM
No problem this can be spun many different ways.

Heck years ago they put cable knit sweaters on the Menendez brothers and attempted to "Spin" it in court, that they were adorable children.
Hey, those kids were dressed-to-kill!:eek:
http://www.biography.com/notorious/images/crime_files/menendez-brothers.jpg

RevNeal
October 4th, 2009, 01:06 AM
people seem to be a bit self-righteous "from whence" you come, eh rev?

pat yourself on the back yet once again for being soooo wonderful and learn some tolerance for others!

Not ending one's sentence with a preposition is "self-righteous"?

I pastor a church which welcomes absolutely everybody without regard for political persuasion, social standing, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation ... or even what they wear. And, you know something ... we'd even welcome you.

photomikey
October 4th, 2009, 02:04 AM
Why shouldn't he have been wearing a hat indoors?
His vacation
His hat
His head
Because we wear suits and ties, and that makes us better than him.

I guess.

Copper10-8
October 4th, 2009, 02:08 AM
Forget it!:rolleyes:

bonsat
October 4th, 2009, 07:40 AM
next time i'm in mosquito texas, i'll be sure to drop in.

RevNeal
October 5th, 2009, 03:57 PM
next time i'm in mosquito texas, i'll be sure to drop in.

Mesquite, as in the tree, Texas.
It's a suburb on the east side of Dallas.
And I'm serious. Over the past few years I've had several from these CC boards "drop in" for worship while they've been in town for various reasons. It's always a pleasure to meet my CCer friends.

St. Stephen UMC is an ultra-modern building, very much unconventional as far as churches go.

http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/.Pictures/ststephenumc/ssumcphotos041607/ssumc1.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/.Pictures/ststephenumc/ssumcphotos041607/ssumcatnight1.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/.Pictures/xmas07/xmassanc1.jpg
The Sanctuary dresses up nicely for Christmas

http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/.Pictures/ststephenumc/ssumcphotos041607/ssumcsanct2.jpg

pipedreams62
October 5th, 2009, 04:06 PM
Ya'll (that's Southern for "you guys") need to get ready for the retiring Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers who want to cruise 'cause they totally do their own thing and make their own rules. :):cool:


And just make all formal wear "Camo" :rolleyes:


http://www.planet-sports.de/images/products/large/l_roxy_starlettedress_skirt_camo.jpg

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 04:28 PM
And just make all formal wear "Camo" :rolleyes:


http://www.planet-sports.de/images/products/large/l_roxy_starlettedress_skirt_camo.jpg

Fits right in among the waterfall in the Loft!:cool:

RevNeal
October 5th, 2009, 04:42 PM
And just make all formal wear "Camo" :rolleyes:


http://www.planet-sports.de/images/products/large/l_roxy_starlettedress_skirt_camo.jpg

What's that made out of? The total visual effect is a positive one, but if that material is the same as my BDUs I'd say "no thank you!" Thick, heavy, rough ... not a good thing against such lovely skin, IMHO! :eek:

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 05:09 PM
What's that made out of? The total visual effect is a positive one, but if that material is the same as my BDUs I'd say "no thank you!" Thick, heavy, rough ... not a good thing against such lovely skin, IMHO! :eek:

The Rev's got BDU's??:eek:

RevNeal
October 5th, 2009, 06:20 PM
The Rev's got BDU's??:eek:

Surprised? ;)

bonsat
October 5th, 2009, 06:37 PM
forgive my ignorance, but what's a bdu?

by the way, i have the exact same dress in blue. i plan to wear it with pearls and boots on the second formal night.

Zappa Fan
October 5th, 2009, 06:40 PM
forgive my ignorance, but what's a bdu?

by the way, i have the exact same dress in blue. i plan to wear it with pearls and boots on the second formal night.

Love it!;)

momatibm
October 5th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Greg, so what is a BDU?????

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 06:47 PM
Surprised? ;)

Kinda, somehow I don't see you low-crawling around Mosquito, I mean Mesquite, on a special ops mission from God

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Greg, so what is a BDU?????

Battle Dress Uniform; the camouflage uniform used, until recently, by the armed forces (and some law enforcement units) of the USA, readily available for purchase by civilians in Army surplus stores. The lady in Pipedreams pic is wearing what is known as the 'Woodland camouflage' pattern

momatibm
October 5th, 2009, 06:53 PM
Thanks Copper -- being and Army Wife -- never heard that

bonsat
October 5th, 2009, 06:58 PM
got news for you, the junior departments feature all sorts of clothes in green, blue and gray camoflage materials. i have seen bikinis, board shorts, capris, skirts of all lengths, tee shirts and shoes to name a few. this could be smart casual on carnival during spring break.

Luckybee
October 5th, 2009, 07:29 PM
what do you mean by problem? people shouldn't do what they want, they should do what YOU want?

Your answer is exactly what imho is the epitome of the problem. In my line of work I see many people who "do what they want" without any regard for the way it affects others, or what the "rules" are, or the potential consequences to themselves. In the past few years the number of younger people(in teens and 20's) who seem to think this way is increasing rapidly. It isnt a matter of "they should do what YOU want?", rather it is a simple matter of understanding that the words "suggested dress code" is a polite way of saying this is what you are expected to wear. But with the thought processes or lack thereof the subtlety seems to be missed on a number of people. Its as though if you dont hit people over the head with something nowadays they simply dont get it.

Sorry( I know Im going to trample into dangerous waters here but...) I blame the parents in many cases. The number of kids I see who have been given no parameters or direction by the parents is mind-boggling. They let their kids decide what they "want to do when they want to do it", and few if any social skills are taught. These are the same parents who then wonder why little Johnny or Janey is then in trouble for this or that and is completely incapable of following rules/laws/or any other societal expectation.

Is it really any wonder that people dont know how to dress, and say things like " I should be able to do what I want". Their entire life is based on just that !

I am by no means a conformist. I tend to do what I want to do probably far more than most. That said for me doing what I want to do in this situation would be very easy. If dh and I had an aversion to dressing up, I would simply choose a cruise line that didnt have those expectations. Originally, we were going to book Celebrity for our Alaska cruise. Then we found out about their restrictive smoking policies ie : cant smoke on your balcony. Since dh and I are still smokers we decided that that wouldnt work for us. It wouldnt have been fair or appropriate for us to book then go on board sneaking to smoke on our balcony(even though we would have been in a very large suite and probably could have gotten away with it). Checked with Silverseas and didnt like their itinerary...Ok so that wasnt for us either. NCL had a great itinerary but we couldnt get the particular suite we wanted(and had we gone on NCL we wouldnt have been dressing formally since it isnt in the suggested dress code :)RSSC, didnt have Alaska when we are going. Ok so that wasnt for us either. Booked with Royal but kept getting a run around from reservations about a number of things and decided that although we did enjoy our cruise with them we were totally unhappy with a number of things in the "service" end of both the booking and onboard that we needed to look elsewhere. So here we are. We are doing exactly what we want. We found a cruise that seemingly fits our plans, our style, our expectations ! Hopefully we'll be right. If not we will simply do what we want to do and book elsewhere next time. It isnt that hard to "do what you want to do" and still respect those around you so long as you find a good match when there are are plenty of options available .

suse
October 5th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Your answer is exactly what imho is the epitome of the problem. In my line of work I see many people who "do what they want" without any regard for the way it affects others, or what the "rules" are, or the potential consequences to themselves. In the past few years the number of younger people(in teens and 20's) who seem to think this way is increasing rapidly. It isnt a matter of "they should do what YOU want?", rather it is a simple matter of understanding that the words "suggested dress code" is a polite way of saying this is what you are expected to wear. But with the thought processes or lack thereof the subtlety seems to be missed on a number of people. Its as though if you dont hit people over the head with something nowadays they simply dont get it.

Sorry( I know Im going to trample into dangerous waters here but...) I blame the parents in many cases. The number of kids I see who have been given no parameters or direction by the parents is mind-boggling. They let their kids decide what they "want to do when they want to do it", and few if any social skills are taught. These are the same parents who then wonder why little Johnny or Janey is then in trouble for this or that and is completely incapable of following rules/laws/or any other societal expectation.

Is it really any wonder that people dont know how to dress, and say things like " I should be able to do what I want". Their entire life is based on just that !

I am by no means a conformist. I tend to do what I want to do probably far more than most. That said for me doing what I want to do in this situation would be very easy. If dh and I had an aversion to dressing up, I would simply choose a cruise line that didnt have those expectations. Originally, we were going to book Celebrity for our Alaska cruise. Then we found out about their restrictive smoking policies ie : cant smoke on your balcony. Since dh and I are still smokers we decided that that wouldnt work for us. It wouldnt have been fair or appropriate for us to book then go on board sneaking to smoke on our balcony(even though we would have been in a very large suite and probably could have gotten away with it). Checked with Silverseas and didnt like their itinerary...Ok so that wasnt for us either. NCL had a great itinerary but we couldnt get the particular suite we wanted(and had we gone on NCL we wouldnt have been dressing formally since it isnt in the suggested dress code :)RSSC, didnt have Alaska when we are going. Ok so that wasnt for us either. Booked with Royal but kept getting a run around from reservations about a number of things and decided that although we did enjoy our cruise with them we were totally unhappy with a number of things in the "service" end of both the booking and onboard that we needed to look elsewhere. So here we are. We are doing exactly what we want. We found a cruise that seemingly fits our plans, our style, our expectations ! Hopefully we'll be right. If not we will simply do what we want to do and book elsewhere next time. It isnt that hard to "do what you want to do" and still respect those around you so long as you find a good match when there are are plenty of options available .
But I can't figure out which one you booked? It's pretty good you didn't book with Celebrity though. I think you probably would not have been ablt to "sneak a smoke and get away with it" in a suite.
Well, good luck.:)

Luckybee
October 5th, 2009, 07:38 PM
But I can't figure out which one you booked? It's pretty good you didn't book with Celebrity though. I think you probably would not have been ablt to "sneak a smoke and get away with it" in a suite.
Well, good luck.:)

Hi Suse

Sorry...I had posted what we had booked on another thread and got myself confused. We booked our first cruise with HAL on the Zuiderdam in a penthouse suite.

The suite we were looking at on Celebrity isnt near anyone else and has a huge deck...thats why I said we prob could have gotten away with it....but why would we want to was what we decided. Far easier to find the right fit and do "exactly what we want " :)

suse
October 5th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Hi Suse

Sorry...I had posted what we had booked on another thread and got myself confused. We booked our first cruise with HAL on the Zuiderdam in a penthouse suite.

The suite we were looking at on Celebrity isnt near anyone else and has a huge deck...thats why I said we prob could have gotten away with it....but why would we want to was what we decided. Far easier to find the right fit and do "exactly what we want " :)
thanks for the reply. You will most certainly have a great cruise because you seem very nice to me.

RevNeal
October 5th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Kinda, somehow I don't see you low-crawling around Mosquito, I mean Mesquite, on a special ops mission from God

My Dad retired as a high-ranking USAF Officer. Up until he died, when he would go out hunting and fishing he always wore BDUs: both long pants and field shorts, t-shirts, jackets, etc. Usually in Olive drab, though he also wore dark blue and camo. When I went hunting and fishing with him (as I did every year, several times a year, until just before his death) I wore them too; now that Dad has died, I've inherited all of his military issue and post-military purchased BDU garb. They're great for outdoor activity. My favorite cold-weather coat is a WEP Dad gave me for Christmas the year before he died; good thing, because i refuse to wear his MA1 into harsh environments.

Seavoyage
October 5th, 2009, 08:16 PM
:eek:It's fun to dress up!
Stay dressy - it's only a couple nights for goodness sake!

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 08:33 PM
My Dad retired as a high-ranking USAF Officer. Up until he died, when he would go out hunting and fishing he always wore BDUs: both long pants and field shorts, t-shirts, jackets, etc. Usually in Olive drab, though he also wore dark blue and camo. When I went hunting and fishing with him (as I did every year, several times a year, until just before his death) I wore them too; now that Dad has died, I've inherited all of his military issue and post-military purchased BDU garb. They're great for outdoor activity. My favorite cold-weather coat is a WEP Dad gave me for Christmas the year before he died; good thing, because i refuse to wear his MA1 into harsh environments.

Thanx for 'splaining Rev!

COLLEYBERRY
October 5th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Battle Dress Uniform; the camouflage uniform used, until recently, by the armed forces (and some law enforcement units) of the USA, readily available for purchase by civilians in Army surplus stores. The lady in Pipedreams pic is wearing what is known as the 'Woodland camouflage' pattern


What lady couldn't use a little 'Woodland camouflage' after dining on a cruise ship for any length of time :D

IRL_Joanie
October 5th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Your answer is exactly what imho is the epitome of the problem. In my line of work I see many people who "do what they want" without any regard for the way it affects others, or what the "rules" are, or the potential consequences to themselves. In the past few years the number of younger people(in teens and 20's) who seem to think this way is increasing rapidly. It isnt a matter of "they should do what YOU want?", rather it is a simple matter of understanding that the words "suggested dress code" is a polite way of saying this is what you are expected to wear. But with the thought processes or lack thereof the subtlety seems to be missed on a number of people. Its as though if you dont hit people over the head with something nowadays they simply dont get it.

Sorry( I know Im going to trample into dangerous waters here but...) I blame the parents in many cases. The number of kids I see who have been given no parameters or direction by the parents is mind-boggling. They let their kids decide what they "want to do when they want to do it", and few if any social skills are taught. These are the same parents who then wonder why little Johnny or Janey is then in trouble for this or that and is completely incapable of following rules/laws/or any other societal expectation.

Is it really any wonder that people dont know how to dress, and say things like " I should be able to do what I want". Their entire life is based on just that !

I am by no means a conformist. I tend to do what I want to do probably far more than most. That said for me doing what I want to do in this situation would be very easy. If dh and I had an aversion to dressing up, I would simply choose a cruise line that didnt have those expectations. Originally, we were going to book Celebrity for our Alaska cruise. Then we found out about their restrictive smoking policies ie : cant smoke on your balcony. Since dh and I are still smokers we decided that that wouldnt work for us. It wouldnt have been fair or appropriate for us to book then go on board sneaking to smoke on our balcony(even though we would have been in a very large suite and probably could have gotten away with it). Checked with Silverseas and didnt like their itinerary...Ok so that wasnt for us either. NCL had a great itinerary but we couldnt get the particular suite we wanted(and had we gone on NCL we wouldnt have been dressing formally since it isnt in the suggested dress code :)RSSC, didnt have Alaska when we are going. Ok so that wasnt for us either. Booked with Royal but kept getting a run around from reservations about a number of things and decided that although we did enjoy our cruise with them we were totally unhappy with a number of things in the "service" end of both the booking and onboard that we needed to look elsewhere. So here we are. We are doing exactly what we want. We found a cruise that seemingly fits our plans, our style, our expectations ! Hopefully we'll be right. If not we will simply do what we want to do and book elsewhere next time. It isnt that hard to "do what you want to do" and still respect those around you so long as you find a good match when there are are plenty of options available .


THANK YOU!!! Exactly what I have wanted to say for weeks now!! But I did not have the guts:(

You are one of my heroes Luckybee!!!!!

esther e
October 5th, 2009, 10:56 PM
A bit OT, but pertaining to parental "guidance," I would like to share a story of what my husband found a few years ago. He was at our clubhouse pool, talking to a member of the board of directors. A boy dove into the pool and the BD member told him not to because it wasn't allowed and pointed to the sign stating so. With that, the father got up from the chaise lounge he was reclining in and walked right in front of my husband and the BD member and dove into the pool. Let's count how many things the child learned that day! All the way from ignoring the rules to not conforming to authority. I often wonder what that child is up to these days.

Copper10-8
October 5th, 2009, 11:31 PM
A bit OT, but pertaining to parental "guidance," I would like to share a story of what my husband found a few years ago. He was at our clubhouse pool, talking to a member of the board of directors. A boy dove into the pool and the BD member told him not to because it wasn't allowed and pointed to the sign stating so. With that, the father got up from the chaise lounge he was reclining in and walked right in front of my husband and the BD member and dove into the pool. Let's count how many things the child learned that day! All the way from ignoring the rules to not conforming to authority. I often wonder what that child is up to these days.

They live among us!:rolleyes:

OhioLair
October 6th, 2009, 12:53 AM
All I gotta say is WOW! BDU gowns, nakedness and all! WOW!

I'll be in my tux formal nights, my jacket and tie the other nights... it's why we cruise HAL... . ... although last year on the Eurodam they were letting some (no disrespect intended to my European friends) eurotrash in the dining room in t-shirts and jeans when everyone else was dressed. Call it the "Carnivalization" of HAL, I just call it bad taste.

After dinner? Well, lets just say if you plan to be in public (clubs, casino, shows or the bar) why not stay dressed. Why waste all that good party time changing?

And after the fourth martini after midnight, clothing is optional... "unwritten rule" ;)

Have a HAL of a good time, go on a cruise!

Statendam Panama Canal Oct 09
Eurodam Innaugural 20 days Baltic summer 08
Oosterdam Alaska summer 07
Noordam (best so far) Eastern Med Summer 06
NCL Caribbean summer 05
Windjammer, Mexico/Caribbean summer 1998
Carnival Festivale, Caribbean summer 1980!

dandro
October 6th, 2009, 12:58 AM
A bit OT, but pertaining to parental "guidance," I would like to share a story of what my husband found a few years ago. He was at our clubhouse pool, talking to a member of the board of directors. A boy dove into the pool and the BD member told him not to because it wasn't allowed and pointed to the sign stating so. With that, the father got up from the chaise lounge he was reclining in and walked right in front of my husband and the BD member and dove into the pool. Let's count how many things the child learned that day! All the way from ignoring the rules to not conforming to authority. I often wonder what that child is up to these days.

He's probably the teen we hired as a summer intern...wore his baggy ripped jeans half way down to his crotch with his boxers on display, showing up whenever he felt it, always calling with some story about car trouble or a doctors appointment or some such excuse for coming in late or not at all. I always wondered about his family life. Needless to say, we didn't keep him on very long.

Sorry to hijack...back to the subject. :)

Luckybee
October 6th, 2009, 01:37 AM
THANK YOU!!! Exactly what I have wanted to say for weeks now!! But I did not have the guts:(

You are one of my heroes Luckybee!!!!!


Lol.......It's easier for me to post..........Im not round here much so I can post and run;)

iancal
October 7th, 2009, 12:25 AM
Blame it all on the parents..huh???? We are in our mid fifties. Both DW and I come from conservative backgrounds & strict parents.

We both make a habit of changing into something more comfortable after dinner. Maybe deep down we both hated our respective parents and are in stages of rebellion. Yes, that must be it....it can be the only answer for such an atrocious display of anti social behavior.

sandypaper
October 7th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Blame it all on the parents..huh???? We are in our mid fifties. Both DW and I come from conservative backgrounds & strict parents.

We both make a habit of changing into something more comfortable after dinner. Maybe deep down we both hated our respective parents and are in stages of rebellion. Yes, that must be it....it can be the only answer for such an atrocious display of anti social behavior.


LOL.....well said!

jimmy2x
October 7th, 2009, 12:37 AM
Everyone can leave this thread now. The newest smoking thread is well underway - that should keep the juices flowing!:D

heathriel
October 7th, 2009, 09:38 AM
Here's the simple solution: don't buy clothing that's uncomfortable.

I only have one gown that is uncomfortable to wear (all sequins, and it just itches really horribly under the armpits), and I didn't bring it with me this trip. My husband switched to Armani tuxedos because he likes the feel of the breathable wool fabric better than the poly-blend cheap stuff you get off the rack. A friend of ours had full highland garb (with sporran) made for him because that's what makes him feel comfortable when he gets dressed up.

And as for shoes, "wear them in" before your wear them "out", and they won't hurt your feet.

Your clothing doesn't have to be expensive to look nice, and it doesn't have to be uncomfortable either. Find something that feels comfortable and it will probably look more flattering on you than something that makes you itch or fidget all night, because you'll be more relaxed.

suse
October 7th, 2009, 09:44 AM
I agree. It would be awful to be itchy and fidgety all evening. You'd probably look kind of funny anyway. I mean, being that itchy.:):eek:

bonsat
October 7th, 2009, 06:45 PM
i'm all for wearing evening clothes after dinner.
after we finish eating, we should get into our pajamas and slippers and robes and get a glass of milk and a late snack in the casino or wherever they serve it before we turn in for the night.

iancal
October 7th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Yes, if we could just control the bugs, all would wonderful. But when one has an itch, one has to scratch it. Our formal clothing is not uncomfortable at all. And we have lots of it at home because we wear it often for business. It is just that our casual clothing is more comfortable and closer to our vacation preferences. Perhaps there is some sort of rehabilitation program available for us or some self study courses on behaviour modification.

suse
October 7th, 2009, 07:35 PM
i'm all for wearing evening clothes after dinner.
after we finish eating, we should get into our pajamas and slippers and robes and get a glass of milk and a late snack in the casino or wherever they serve it before we turn in for the night.
Do you put on your pj's and slippers and robe and then go and get a glass of milk and late snack in the casino before you turn in? I mean, are you walking around the ship like that? Way too funny. You are a hoot!:)

iancal
October 7th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Big trouble if you sleep in the buff.

HamOp
October 7th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Am I a moron because I dress up as much, if not more-so, on cruises as I do in "everyday life"?

First fast read thought you said you were a Mormon....oops

bonsat
October 7th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Do you put on your pj's and slippers and robe and then go and get a glass of milk and late snack in the casino before you turn in? I mean, are you walking around the ship like that? Way too funny. You are a hoot!:)

if we're ever on the same cruise you can recognize me by my footsie pajamas with the trap door on the butt. be sure to say hello!

suse
October 7th, 2009, 09:02 PM
First fast read thought you said you were a Mormon....oops
Nah, but he is a happening kind of preacher, you know what I mean?;) Too hip to be square and all that. I'd love to be in the front pew. Or would I? Maybe not. I'm the type to hang out at the very last pew and hope you don't notice me.

pipedreams62
October 7th, 2009, 09:16 PM
I never even knew people still wore pajamas? I haven't seen them since Fred Mertz wore them:eek:


http://rlv.zcache.com/the_older_i_get_the_more_i_dress_like_fred_mertz_t shirt-p235504261864589442ya17_400.jpg

bonsat
October 7th, 2009, 09:17 PM
fred wore a nightshirt and nightcap. hilarious!

mudscraper
October 7th, 2009, 10:32 PM
And Freds pants were hiked up 8 inches above his bellybutton.:)


Rich

mozleo
October 7th, 2009, 10:38 PM
We saw many people at all different times dressed in robes in public places..this is Alaskan cruise, (not sure if others cruises on this line are different). I would never..but I also did not care what they had all , as long as they had something on!

Copper10-8
October 7th, 2009, 10:47 PM
Robes!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/tt6.jpg

[The door flies open and Cardinal Ximinez of Spain enters, flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Biggles has goggles pushed over his forehead. Cardinal Fang is just Cardinal Fang


Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[The Inquisition exits]
Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[The cardinals burst in]

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh darn!

[To Cardinal Biggles] I can't say it - you'll have to say it.

Biggles: What?

Ximinez: You'll have to say the bit about 'Our chief weapons are ...'

Biggles: [rather horrified]: I couldn't do that...


[Ximinez bundles the cardinals outside again]

Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The cardinals enter]
Biggles: Er.... Nobody...um....
Ximinez: Expects...
Biggles: Expects... Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um...
Ximinez: Inquisition.
Biggles: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect -
Ximinez: Our chief weapons are...
Biggles: Our chief weapons are...um...er...
Ximinez: Surprise...
Biggles: Surprise and --
Ximinez: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there - stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah! ... our chief weapons are surprise...blah blah blah. Cardinal, read the charges.
Fang: You are hereby charged that you did on diverse dates commit heresy against the Holy Church. 'My old man said follow the--'
Biggles: That's enough.
[To Cleveland] Now, how do you plead?
Clevelnd: We're innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!


[DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER]

Biggles: We'll soon change your mind about that!

[DIABOLICAL ACTING]
Ximinez: Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless-- [controls himself with a supreme effort] Ooooh! Now, Cardinal -- the rack!

Copper10-8
October 7th, 2009, 11:14 PM
This is out of control! Next thing you'll know we'll see a pair of man boobs in the Lido on formal nights smoking a cigar while ordering five entrees:eek:

DizzyDallasDi
October 7th, 2009, 11:21 PM
This is out of control! Next thing you'll know we'll see a pair of man boobs in the Lido on formal nights smoking a cigar while ordering five entrees:eek:

I've seen this several times, sans cigar. Nothing gets a gal going more than seeing a set of man boobs. :p
Diane

Copper10-8
October 7th, 2009, 11:37 PM
I've seen this several times, sans cigar. Nothing gets a gal going more than seeing a set of man boobs. :p
Diane

Please control yourself Ma'am!:cool:

It's nice to have goals but I better not go there!:eek:

RevNeal
October 8th, 2009, 12:42 AM
Nah, but he is a happening kind of preacher, you know what I mean?;) Too hip to be square and all that. I'd love to be in the front pew. Or would I? Maybe not. I'm the type to hang out at the very last pew and hope you don't notice me.

Ah, but at St. Stephen's Church we're so hip we don't even have pews ... we have chairs! :D ;)

dandro
October 8th, 2009, 12:58 AM
I never even knew people still wore pajamas? I haven't seen them since Fred Mertz wore them:eek:

Hey, I still wear pj's. They are so much more comfy than a nightgown. I even bought some pretty ones that I brought on our cruise.

(I am female)

bonsat
October 8th, 2009, 06:59 AM
pajama party at the lido!

pipedreams62
October 8th, 2009, 07:35 AM
We saw many people at all different times dressed in robes in public places..this is Alaskan cruise, (not sure if others cruises on this line are different). I would never..but I also did not care what they had all , as long as they had something on!

The cruise you were on was actually a charter of very famous doctors,who at many times wore robes


http://pipedreams62.eaph2.com/share/afunstuffsep/3oneflew1.jpg (http://pipedreams62.eaph2.com/programs/iDrive.cgi?VIEWER&http://pipedreams62.eaph2.com/share/afunstuffsep/3oneflew1.jpg|760|536|99#)d
From left to right, Dr. Sefelt,Dr. Frederickson,Dr. Scanlon,Dr.Randall McMurphy,Dr. Martini

bonsat
October 8th, 2009, 07:38 AM
that's the crew at ncl.

LHC
October 8th, 2009, 10:06 AM
I love to dress up and do for cruising, but after dinner, if I am going to go to a movie, or walk on the deck or even sit and read my book, I have changed my clothing for comfort.
This is my vacation so I consider that and dress, as I feel the need.
This said, if I am attending a special party, or gathering, I stay dressed, as any adult would do.
LHC

suse
October 8th, 2009, 10:22 AM
This robe thing is funny though. Whatever. I just read that is the most annoying word in the English language so I wanted to say it again. I read somewhere on these boards about a woman who wandered the ship in her robe at night. I thought that was funny!:)

bonsat
October 8th, 2009, 10:22 AM
if you don't approve of my footsie pjs, i can wear babydolls.

mudscraper
October 8th, 2009, 01:29 PM
if you don't approve of my footsie pjs, i can wear babydolls.
Ahhh..Babydolls.
A fond and distant memory.:)


Rich

lazydaze2
November 10th, 2009, 07:11 PM
There are always a few who ignore the request to stay in formal attire throughout the evening - personally - I think they look like slobs - I have seen folks in shorts and tees at the evening shows, casino etc. Please people it is a cruise - go along with the program! Ladies - if you want to change your shoes go ahead, guys take off jackets at the show, but have a little class, please, get comfy when you go home.

Loodie
November 10th, 2009, 07:33 PM
There is no confusion here, except in the minds of those who fail to comply. It is a formal night not a formal dinner. People will argue otherwise because they would like to convince enough people to go casual so they will feel less uncomfortable when they are dressed inappropriately for the evening. Don't let them fool you. They are not helping you with advice but pushing there own self-serving social agenda.

SwissMyst
November 10th, 2009, 08:14 PM
I like the occasional formal nights and one of the reasons I would stick with HAL. There are so many other cruising choices for those who insist on casual anytime all the time.

I hope HAL remains the choice and economically viable for those who want some of the more traditional aspects of cruising to be retained, just for a little bit longer.

Small ships, kind traditions, common courtesies, pleasant manners, shared cruising values - hope HAL continues to make a go of this. We'll do our part. All they need is a couple of thousand similarly minded folks for each ship departure ....... out of 300 million Americans? Go for it, HAL.

Oceanwench
November 10th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Saw lots and lots of people in shorts or casual clothes on both formal nights throughout the evening on my 11/1 cruise on the Westerdam.

suse
November 10th, 2009, 09:22 PM
just do what you want, really. enjoy. savor. relish. absorb. It is such a wonderful cruise, is it not? A Signature of Excellence. Perfect.

Gablin
November 11th, 2009, 12:46 AM
There are several versions of this comment above: "We both make a habit of changing into something more comfortable after dinner."
And, several folks have commented that they don't understand why someone would wear formal clothing that is uncomfortable.

It may be more difficult for men to find comfortable formal clothing, but my dresses and shoes are absolutely comfortable. I wouldn't have purchased them if they were uncomfortable. The only thing more comfortable than my formal gowns and dressy shoes would be my pajamas and bare feet (maybe.) It is really difficult for me to understand buying clothing or shoes that hurt.

It seems to me to be more of a nuisance to return to your cabin to change clothes than to stay dressed in your dinner clothing, unless you plan to go for a swim or need athletic shoes for a run or walk on an upper deck.

I am closely related to a teen who changed clothes after dinner on our last cruise. She decided that she wanted to wear her other formal gown for photos. Otherwise the teens stay dressed for the evening in whatever they have worn to dinner, as do their parents and grandparents.

One cruise our (my friend's and my own) luggage didn't show up. Luckily, the ship was overnighting in the embarkation port, Venice. Unluckily, it was a very expensive port for shopping. Luckily, there was a discount store that had a shiny black satin blouse and a pair of shiny black slacks. With even more luck, there was another discount store that had some plain black flats. My jewelry (both real and costume) was in my carryon bag, so I felt as though I could handle the formal nights (sort of.)
Luckily, after a day of shopping in Venice, the luggage showed up before dinner. We did notice that the cruise ship had sparkly tops for sale - probably that is a help to those women passengers whose luggage never arrives.

As long as folks are wearing clothing of some kind, I truly don't care whether they dress up or not, but I will always dress according to the suggested attire. And, I will be comfortable doing so.

Opinions
November 11th, 2009, 10:49 AM
There is no confusion here, except in the minds of those who fail to comply. It is a formal night not a formal dinner.

If it is formal night why does HAL have the Lido for those who do not care to dress formally?...

NMLady
November 11th, 2009, 11:06 AM
Why would someone go on a cruise to wear uncomfortable shoes, why not purchase comfortable shoes on the first place !!! ....

I have never yet found a pair of comfortable dressy pumps. Even the ones with just a one-inch heel are rarely comfortable. So I always change out of dressy shoes. That means I also change out of my formal wear since casual shoes do not go with formal wear. I put on 'smart casual' instead and have always felt appropriately dressed for the show or casino or a lounge for the rest of the evening.

srlafleur
November 11th, 2009, 11:11 AM
Since we usually eat fairly early, while we're dressed up on formal nights, many of the people wandering the ship as we're making our way to dinner are still dressed informally - just coming back from the pool, excursions, or whatever.
Should I somehow feel offended at that? I don't see the big deal about staying in formal wear after dinner. If I were doing something "formal", I guess, but what of the folks who do choose to dine in the Lido? They're not relegated to their rooms for the evening.

NMLady
November 11th, 2009, 11:13 AM
... if you're going to the other spots you would stick out by wearing t-shirts and shorts or jeans and tennis shoes to the show or casino. ...

You are presuming that when people change out of formal wear, they are changing to Tshirts etc??? I think that most people who change from formal wear change into very presentable clothes that are more like smart casual than like pool wear. Seems to me a collared shirt and slacks for the guys and a nice blouse and slacks for the ladies wouldn't be out of place for evening entertainment. I think that is what most people change into when they change out of formal wear if they are going to be indoors.

NMLady
November 11th, 2009, 11:24 AM
How many posters, who prefer to change into something casual after dinner, would continue to cruise with HAL if the company were to 'insist' that the dress code be adhered to for the entire evening?

Would you continue to cruise with HAL or book on one of the lines that do not have a dress code?

I am one who changes out of formal attire into something still a bit dressy but not formal and not requiring dressy heels. It would depend on whether or not I could get the same itinerary on another cruise line I like and/or if I could get the same or a cheaper price. If HAL were the only one with that itinerary or that price then I'd stay in my formal wear (except for the dressy pumps/heels) the rest of the evening if that were the contract.

I choose cruises by where I want to go, not by the dress code.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 04:10 PM
I like the occasional formal nights and one of the reasons I would stick with HAL. There are so many other cruising choices for those who insist on casual anytime all the time.

I hope HAL remains the choice and economically viable for those who want some of the more traditional aspects of cruising to be retained, just for a little bit longer.

Small ships, kind traditions, common courtesies, pleasant manners, shared cruising values - hope HAL continues to make a go of this. We'll do our part. All they need is a couple of thousand similarly minded folks for each ship departure ....... out of 300 million Americans? Go for it, HAL.

Well said! I agree, there are more casual lines for those who don't care to dress up. There is a reason Carnival corporation offers so many choices.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 04:14 PM
You are presuming that when people change out of formal wear, they are changing to Tshirts etc??? I think that most people who change from formal wear change into very presentable clothes that are more like smart casual than like pool wear. Seems to me a collared shirt and slacks for the guys and a nice blouse and slacks for the ladies wouldn't be out of place for evening entertainment. I think that is what most people change into when they change out of formal wear if they are going to be indoors.

Unfortunately some do. On my Westerdam cruise on formal night, there was a twenty something woman in daisy dukes and a midriff top, I see no problem with that, if she was up on the lido or in the elevator headed to the lido, but she was in the piano bar.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Do you put on your pj's and slippers and robe and then go and get a glass of milk and late snack in the casino before you turn in? I mean, are you walking around the ship like that? Way too funny. You are a hoot!:)

Around where I live, people come that way to the grocery store, in their flannel PJs and bedroom slippers,minus the robe though.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 04:28 PM
This robe thing is funny though. Whatever. I just read that is the most annoying word in the English language so I wanted to say it again. I read somewhere on these boards about a woman who wandered the ship in her robe at night. I thought that was funny!:)

On RCI Mariner of the Seas, a woman came in the robe they give diamond members, I suppose to advertise her status, over her pajamas for breakfast. She also had not brushed her hair, she had a major case of bedhead. I did not get close enough, but something tells me she had not brushed her teeth either. Of course,this was not formal night, but still not appropriate.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 04:43 PM
:D at 6rugrats.

We are people who seldom do much inside after dinner. We eat late, return to the cabin and "dress down", then stroll on the Promenade deck. Hang out by the aft pool, enjoy the night and the sounds of the ocean, then we're ready for the late night buffet :)

IMHO because there are other choices for dining (Lido, room service), it is silly for HAL to expect that only those who are dressed in the defined "formal wear" will be seen in public areas on formal night. As catl331 mentioned, there are no clothing police beyond the maitre d' in the dining room and the Pinnacle manager. I can't imagine a crew member asking you to leave the show or the casino because you aren't dressed in formal wear.

We've never tried to dress down and attend a show or anything, but we certainly go through public areas in our "deck-walking" clothes after dinner on formal night.

I see nothing wrong with that-you were appropriately dressed for the activity you were engaged. Anyone who expects all to be dressed formal on the elevator or in walkways is being unreasonable.

gabbyisadog
November 11th, 2009, 04:46 PM
Country club casual does not require switching to a "lesser" cruise line as many of the more expensive and better rated lines ie Regent,Seabourne, Oceania, Azamara have gone all CC casual. Why? This is what their clients want? I think HAL is behind the curve on this issue. They are trying to keep everyone happy- the formal attire devotees and the CC casual people. So they really are letting you do pretty much whatever you want as to dress.

momofmeg
November 11th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Despite what you may have seen on the streets, the following combinations DO NOT go together and should be avoided:

1. A nose ring and bifocals
2. Spiked hair and bald spots
3. A pierced tongue and dentures
4. Miniskirts and support hose
5. Ankle bracelets and corn pads
6. Speedos and cellulite
7. A belly button ring and a gall bladder surgery scar
8. Unbuttoned disco shirts and a heart monitor
9. Midriff shirts and a midriff bulge
10. Bikinis and liver spots
11. Short shorts and varicose veins
12. Inline skates and a walker

And last, but not least...my personal favorite:

13. Thongs and Depends


Too funny!

SwissMyst
November 11th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Perhaps those who do not complain to your face in person on the ship, but do here, suffer in silence when others choose to degrade the respected formality requested by the ship for certain evenings. I think it is unfortunate some feel it is their private badge of honor to disregard the formality requests on those few nights each trip.

And no, I would not say this to your face because anyone already choosing to disregard the formality suggestions is unlikely to be pleasant or respectful to suggestions to go change. You get to ruin if for those who have their own evening expectations degraded. Plus you get to enjoy the lovely ambiance offered by those who do continue to respect the dress guidelines.

If you want to be so d*m casual and proud of it, why don't youfind another ship rather than gloat about your rebellion against this most simple dress guideline the vast majority of others choose to honor and enjoy on HAL. :confused:

To those on HAL who both enjoy and honor the few formal nights, thank you. Keep it up and I hope we always outnumber those who want to degrade this lovely and rare occasion. Putting on a coat and tie is just not a big deal. Give me a break. Take this small effort for the rest of us who do not support your small act of protest.

Opinions
November 11th, 2009, 06:08 PM
And no, I would not say this to your face because anyone already choosing to disregard the formality suggestions is unlikely to be pleasant or respectful to suggestions to go change.

At least we agree that the formal dress code are really "suggestions".

Jade13
November 11th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Perhaps those who do not complain to your face in person on the ship, but do here, suffer in silence when others choose to degrade the respected formality requested by the ship for certain evenings. I think it is unfortunate some feel it is their private badge of honor to disregard the formality requests on those few nights each trip.

And no, I would not say this to your face because anyone already choosing to disregard the formality suggestions is unlikely to be pleasant or respectful to suggestions to go change. You get to ruin if for those who have their own evening expectations degraded. Plus you get to enjoy the lovely ambiance offered by those who do continue to respect the dress guidelines.

If you want to be so d*m casual and proud of it, why don't youfind another ship rather than gloat about your rebellion against this most simple dress guideline the vast majority of others choose to honor and enjoy on HAL. :confused:

To those on HAL who both enjoy and honor the few formal nights, thank you. Keep it up and I hope we always outnumber those who want to degrade this lovely and rare occasion. Putting on a coat and tie is just not a big deal. Give me a break. Take this small effort for the rest of us who do not support your small act of protest.

You are dreaming if you think the majority of folks really wear formal dress on formal nights. And, most people are not in formal wear after dinner nor expected to be if they are at the pool, gym or lido restaurant, or even walking around the promenade (which I don't suggest in heels).

Heck, they don't even dress formal on SilverSeas. We came back from a SilverSeas cruise and there was a guy in a t-shirt and flip flops every night.

pipedreams62
November 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
http://comedians.comedycentral.com/sebastian-maniscalco/videos/sebastian-maniscalco---casual-dress

SwissMyst
November 11th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Heck, they don't even dress formal on SilverSeas. We came back from a SilverSeas cruise and there was a guy in a t-shirt and flip flops every night.

Thank you to all the HAL cruisers who still honor a degree of formality on formal dinner nights. You are cherished and appreciated. I love sharing the ship with you.

SwissMyst
November 11th, 2009, 06:33 PM
http://comedians.comedycentral.com/sebastian-maniscalco/videos/sebastian-maniscalco---casual-dress

Bravo, pipedreams. What a winner! Perfect.

suse
November 11th, 2009, 06:58 PM
Thank you to all the HAL cruisers who still honor a degree of formality on formal dinner nights. You are cherished and appreciated. I love sharing the ship with you.
I think it is so great that you feel so strongly here. No, really, don't you find that people are so wishy washy these days? It's all so ridiculous. Speak up, say what you mean. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Oh, yeah, that's one of my favorite sayings. Love it.:)

Opinions
November 11th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Thank you to all the HAL cruisers who still honor a degree of formality on formal dinner nights.

I agree!...It's formal dinner night not formal night!

Loodie
November 11th, 2009, 07:52 PM
If it is formal night why does HAL have the Lido for those who do not care to dress formally?...
Would you rather they be made to walk the plank? HAL, and most other lines that have a formal evening, offer this as an ALTERNATIVE to the dining room and PG for people who wish not to dress for formal night. I think most understand that the dress code is intended to apply to the public areas with the exception of the Lido which you rightly point out.

NMLady
November 13th, 2009, 11:59 AM
... I think most understand that the dress code is intended to apply to the public areas with the exception of the Lido which you rightly point out.

But then are people who eat in the Lido so as not to dress formally, are they not to attend the evening's entertainment and not have a drink in the lounge after dinner, and not gamble in the casino, and not go to the Crow's Nest because they are not in appropriate formal attire?
I doubt very much that this is HAL's intention.

Gator83
November 14th, 2009, 09:55 PM
<P>But then are people who eat in the Lido so as not to dress formally, are they not to attend the evening's entertainment and not have a drink in the lounge after dinner, and not gamble in the casino, and not go to the Crow's Nest because they are not in appropriate formal attire? </P>
<P>I doubt very much that this is HAL's intention.</P>

I totally agree with you. The dress code discussions are ridiculous especially since most cruisers don't even read Cruise Critic. I think that most people do dress in the suggested style and if any cruise allows someone to not dress formally in the buffet then there is no need to dress formally for the night. I think everyone should just stay home and then they won't have to worry about what everyone else is wearing.

kat1007
November 15th, 2009, 03:51 AM
Staying awake after dinner was a challange for me, we dressed up for dinner as per the dress code of the day but we were not upset by people in casual clothes in the bar who had eaten in the Lido.

I would not worry if we sat in a show with someone wearing a tux on one side and someone with shorts on the other, if the show wasn't interesting enough to prevent me studying other guest's attire I would leave anyway LOL....