Nice Jeans on Semi Formal Night

[bobincm]

Can men wear nice jeans on semi formal night?

Bob:)

[Cruiz'nBaers]

Can men wear nice jeans on semi formal night?

Bob:)

Yes, In the Lido. Dockers and a sports coat would be fine in the DR, if you're referring to semi formal. Casual night, dockers and a nice collared sport shirt would do just fine.

[pms4104]

There is no semi-formal night ... Formal and Smart Casual are the current designations on HAL. HAL's suggested dress for Formal would preclude jeans, but HAL does not list jeans as unacceptable on Smart Casual nights. So, it would seem that they are acceptable in the MDR on Smart Casual night.

[planobob]

Below information is from the HAL website and should answer your question regarding evening dress:

"Evening dress falls into two distinct categories: Formal or Smart Casual. Smart Casual can be defined as slacks and collared shirts for men and casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear for women. T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours. On festive Formal evenings, ladies usually wear a suit, cocktail dress or gown and gentlemen wear a jacket and tie, dark suit or tuxedo. There are approximately two formal nights per week.
In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America Line asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening."

Bob

[pipedreams62]

http://comedians.comedycentral.com/sebastian-maniscalco/videos/sebastian-maniscalco---ross-for-less

[coldinreno]

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Based on my observations on Smart Casual nights on Veendam two weeks ago in my opinion the dress code is a big joke. In the dining room at dinner, jeans, message teeshirts & cheap flip flops were in abundance. If HAL has no intention of enforcing their own dress code then they should not bother publishing it.

[2ptu/000]

How can I view my dining on HAL's website? I can find my room, book shore excursions but can't find out if I have the dining time I asked for. Thanks

[mickeyfitz]

Although jeans are not specifically prohibited anymore and the reality is that in any event HAL allows almost anything, jeans (even "nice" jeans) really don't fit the concept of "slacks" for what has normally been meant for "smart casual."

[cruiseing marly]

I ocasonaly were dress jeans with a sport jacket on smart casual in the dineing room. I would not were them with out the jackert myself.

[SwissMyst]

You can "do" whatever you want to, but I hope you will also ask yourself why do you want to do this as well. No, jeans nice or not do not meet the dress code suggestions. Why not pack something more appropriate just as easily as your "nice jeans"?

[suse]

What are "nice" jeans? Or are they just not "mean" jeans? :confused:

[taxmantoo]

What are "nice" jeans? Or are they just not "mean" jeans? :confused:

I think it's what "considerate" smokers would wear while out on their balcony enjoying their cigarette. :p

[pipedreams62]

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jan2004/JeansDog.jpg

[SuperTrooper00]

Can men wear nice jeans on semi formal night?

Bob:)

Yes. You can wear them on Smart Casual nights. Not on Formal nights.

I just wanted to make sure that was clear before this thread turns into another, "Not prohibited does not mean acceptable!"...."Jeans are for the farm"..."The only jeans I have are spelled G-E-N-E-S."
Please rememeber, many on this board represent the minority on the ships. You will not find the same attitude on your cruise. Enjoy your trip!

[SwissMyst]

http://comedians.comedycentral.com/sebastian-maniscalco/videos/sebastian-maniscalco---ross-for-less

This guy is super funny. Thanks for sharing him with us.

[suse]

Yes. You can wear them on Smart Casual nights. Not on Formal nights.

I just wanted to make sure that was clear before this thread turns into another, "Not prohibited does not mean acceptable!"...."Jeans are for the farm"..."The only jeans I have are spelled G-E-N-E-S."
Please rememeber, many on this board represent the minority on the ships. You will not find the same attitude on your cruise. Enjoy your trip!
The part where you said, "the only jeans I have are spelled G-E-N-E-S."
You are very funny!

[suse]

I think it's what "considerate" smokers would wear while out on their balcony enjoying their cigarette. :p
I'm still not getting it.:confused:

[suse]

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jan2004/JeansDog.jpg
Is her name Precious? Well, if it isn't it should be something like that, or maybe Princess, or something to go with the jeans.:) Maybe Brittany, or some girlie name, you know?

[pipedreams62]

I had A "Jeannie" in a bottle


http://abinitioadinfinitum.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/jeannie.jpg

[taxmantoo]

I'm still not getting it.:confused:
You've never noticed that whenever someone does something that is borderline according to published and accepted regulations, they always find a "nice" or "considerate" qualifier to add so that it appeases their conscience?

I find that "nice" jeans are just as hard to find as "considerate" smokers...

[suse]

You've never noticed that whenever someone does something that is borderline according to published and accepted regulations, they always find a "nice" or "considerate" qualifier to add so that it appeases their conscience?

I find that "nice" jeans are just as hard to find as "considerate" smokers...
There is nothing "considerate" at all about smoking when others are around and "nice" jeans just mean they have no holes. Got it. Thank you.
I do find it astonishing when smokers come out of the woodwork saying they are "considerate" and would put it out if I asked. Sure. Liar, liar, pants on fire, that's what I have to say. But, I wouldn't ask anyway. I would suffer.

[Brown Eyed Gurl]

Smart Casual can be defined as slacks and collared shirts for men

[TMWeddle]

On regular - non-formal nights - I think jeans, with or without tie, and sportcoat would be fine!! On such nights I usually wear wear khakis - Dockers - maybe sportcoat - depending on temperature.

[Bakincakes]

HAL is falling victim to the same kinds of crowds as other lines are.

They need to fill their ships and unfortunately the clothing challenged have the $$ to buy tickets.

On our last HAL cruise we saw plenty of jeans worn by mostly men. Our friends just returned from the 11/1 HAL WEsterdam cruise and saw the same. They even saw some fool in shorts and a windbreaker enter the MDR on the last night. Nothing was said to him or any other pax who was wearing jeans.:(

I think most lines are afraid of adhering to their dress codes in fear of ticking people off and losing business. So they will compromise their standards.

[SwissMyst]

Even Brand X (luxury cruise lines) is struggling with dropping their fairly stringent formal dress requirements, much to the distress of their traditional passengers too. That is a formal ball gown cruise line almost every night. Hard to tell the difference between their casual nights and their formal nights. And some of their passengers (but not many) actually do look like the cruise ad models.

Brand X has a very international group of fellow travellers, with the Japanese women winning the fashion show and the Russian nouveau money trying really, really hard to put it all together with at least a display of heavily logo-ed designer wear. Beverley Hills and the best/worst of cosmetic surgical techniques was also on display and the ship photos showed the results could often be unforgiving.

The people on HAL seem so much more natural and comfortable in their own skins. Even the ones they have carried around for many decades. HAL has some quiet dignity and delight to show how long people can enjoy getting around in the world. They are good travellers on HAL; not just quickie, for show tourists.

[Randyk47]

The only time you'll see us in jeans on a ship is disembarkation day because we like to fly or drive in them. Since we fly or drive in the day before a cruise they're already packed away when we board and there they stay. That's it, no other time, anywhere. That's just us.

[Pam in CA]

HAL is falling victim to the same kinds of crowds as other lines are.

They need to fill their ships and unfortunately the clothing challenged have the $$ to buy tickets.

On our last HAL cruise we saw plenty of jeans worn by mostly men. Our friends just returned from the 11/1 HAL WEsterdam cruise and saw the same. They even saw some fool in shorts and a windbreaker enter the MDR on the last night. Nothing was said to him or any other pax who was wearing jeans.:(

I think most lines are afraid of adhering to their dress codes in fear of ticking people off and losing business. So they will compromise their standards.I agree. It's called "mass marketing" so they can fill the ships. On my last HAL cruise, there was a young woman who wore very short jean shorts (Daisy Dukes) and not only was allowed into the dining room but was led by the Maitre D' to her table (with probably every pair of male -- and female -- eyes following her.)

It's nicer and more respectful to follow the cruiseline's dress code but if you don't care or that doesn't bother you, they won't throw you overboard.

One interesting post that I read by a cruise staff member on another board is that people behave better when they're dressed up, particularly on formal nights. Something to think about.

[Boytjie]

Nothing was said to him or any other pax who was wearing jeans.:(

I think most lines are afraid of adhering to their dress codes in fear of ticking people off and losing business. So they will compromise their standards.

Since it is not against the dress code to wear jeans on the last night of a cruise, there was nothing to be said to those; now the shorts is a different matter.

[CowPrincess]

They need to fill their ships and unfortunately the clothing challenged have the $$ to buy tickets.


This is not a new phenomenon. I've seen clothing-challenged people everywhere for most of my adult life. It has nothing to do with whether they've chosen to wear jeans. It also has nothing to do with their income or their ability to afford to cruise.

To the OP -- despite many of the comments you are getting here, people DO wear jeans to the MDR on "Smart Casual" nights.

[Chivalrygirl]

That this topic is still under discussion! Why do you all bother ? :confused:

[Zappa Fan]

That this topic is still under discussion! Why do you all bother ? :confused:

Why do you bother to post on an unbelievable thread? :confused:

[IRL_Joanie]

The only time you'll see us in jeans on a ship is disembarkation day because we like to fly or drive in them. Since we fly or drive in the day before a cruise they're already packed away when we board and there they stay. That's it, no other time, anywhere. That's just us.


AMEN Randy!! I'm with you!!

Joanie

[Chivalrygirl]

Why do you bother to post on an unbelievable thread? :confused:

Just to see if I would get a response from you ;)

[IRL_Joanie]

That this topic is still under discussion! Why do you all bother ? :confused:


Why is this topic still under discussion?? Becaue this is a HOT TOPIC and because Holland America is NOT Disney and people should dress accordingly!

If people can afford to pay for a cruise, then they should be able to dress according to the dress code.

Today, the terms chivalry and chivalrous are used to describe courteous behavior, Courteous behavior to me also includes doing the right thing to include dressing properly when on a cruise.

Joanie

[suse]

Why do you bother to post on an unbelievable thread? :confused:
It is so much fun!:):):):)

[LVSue]

The people on HAL seem so much more natural and comfortable in their own skins. Even the ones they have carried around for many decades. HAL has some quiet dignity and delight to show how long people can enjoy getting around in the world. They are good travellers on HAL; not just quickie, for show tourists.

My husband always refused to go on cruises exactly because of the responses on this thread. He always wore jeans and cowboy boots and could look quite dashing with the right shirt. I was foolish enough to think that if he were alive, he might revise his opinion after my very pleasant experiences on HAL. Guess not.

I do think that Western "dress codes" are much more relaxed than Eastern and that should be taken into consideration. And I might add, I have gone to the MDR in my jeans and turtleneck and a silk scarf after a long excursion in Juneau and, actually, no one fainted.

[Boatdrill]

You can "do" whatever you want to, but I hope you will also ask yourself why do you want to do this as well. No, jeans nice or not do not meet the dress code suggestions. Why not pack something more appropriate just as easily as your "nice jeans"?

Music to my ears. Thank you.

[Boatdrill]

HAL is falling victim to the same kinds of crowds as other lines are....

I think most lines are afraid of adhering to their dress codes in fear of ticking people off and losing business. So they will compromise their standards.

If HAL passngers would voice their discontent to onboard management and HAL/Seattle, they will get results.

In HAL's defense, I know of guests who were turned around by the waiter when they came in for dinner in casual clothes (Veendam, 10/0-17/09). It was formal night, and they had come straight from the theater. The waiter was very quiet about it, and stopped them before they got to the table. You could see from the guests' reaction they were embarasssed that they had forgotten. They returned within a few minutes with coats and ties.

[Bakincakes]

If HAL passngers would voice their discontent to onboard management and HAL/Seattle, they will get results.

In HAL's defense, I know of guests who were turned around by the waiter when they came in for dinner in casual clothes (Veendam, 10/0-17/09). It was formal night, and they had come straight from the theater. The waiter was very quiet about it, and stopped them before they got to the table. You could see from the guests' reaction they were embarasssed that they had forgotten. They returned within a few minutes with coats and ties.


I'm not so sure.

Lines are getting desperate for revenue and may not be willing to get "tough" about dress in the MDR. Even HAL.

And often, once the barn doors are opened, it won't be easy to herd the cattle back in.;)

[SwissMyst]

Here is a thought: have the waiters show up dressed like the most casual passengers.

Hey, we want them to enjoy their cruise too and be comfortable. Cute young guys waiting on us in tank tops and flip flops in the main dining room, particularly on the formal nights, sounds like my idea of great HAL cruising.

And by all means, let's let the poor over-worked cabin stewards be able to walk into our cabins in biker clothes and logo t-shirts that let them show their unique personalities and individualism. They have earned the right to be comfortable more than anyone else.

Think of how much space they will save ditching all the showroom costumes for the entertainers and they all just wear their own shorts and tube tops for every show. Flip flops may not work for dancing but bare feet will be okay. Maybe the lead singers could wear their "nice jeans" just to set them apart.

Free-style cruisin, yup. That will get my money.

On the other hand, if one expects a certain formality and dignity from the staff, then why is it so alien to expect a certain traditional decorum from the passengers too.

[suse]

How can I view my dining on HAL's website? I can find my room, book shore excursions but can't find out if I have the dining time I asked for. Thanks
we have no idea.

[Gater Girl]

My husband always brings a black suit and wears it on Formal Nights. He does change into casual clothes after dinner as he always goes to the Casino for a spell and then turns in early. MY question is: I have purchased a new sports jacket for him as a Christmas present. It is a subdued brown tweed and lighter than his suit coat. So if he leaves his suit at home..brings his jacket..pairs it with pressed Khakis...Dockers...and wears a tie...He would be fine on HAL?

He is not much of one for fancy dressing, but he also respects convention and wants to dress as others do..or as HAL expects folks to dress on Formal Nights.

I have never heard anyone discuss appropriate shoes. He wears Nikes during the day, as most do...on formal nights, he wears wingtips. Is that necessary? Is it permissible to wear the Nikes at dinner..if all else is fine? I ask that because sometimes, when the ship is having a lot of motion, I wear my black sports shoes with black tights under a long dress. It seems common sense to me to wear safe shoes if the ship is dipping, but he insists he has to wear the wing tips on formal nights. What is the best advice for this?
Thanks for the advice.

[KY Transplant]

Some people enjoy elegant attire on the cruise but I look at it as a casual affair. Smart casual of course. I don't care for the 'I work on an oil rig" attire like I have seen on some other cruises.

HAL only suggests...I have not seen not seen where they require formal attire on formal nights. So would I be looked on like Jed Clampett if I were to show up in Smart casual on formal night?

I have seen many cruisers dress in smart casual on formal nights on other cruise lines and no one seems to object...but this is my first HAL cruise and I don't want to upset anyone's apple cart.

[Zappa Fan]

Here is a thought: have the waiters show up dressed like the most casual passengers.

Hey, we want them to enjoy their cruise too and be comfortable. Cute young guys waiting on us in tank tops and flip flops in the main dining room, particularly on the formal nights, sounds like my idea of great HAL cruising.

And by all means, let's let the poor over-worked cabin stewards be able to walk into our cabins in biker clothes and logo t-shirts that let them show their unique personalities and individualism. They have earned the right to be comfortable more than anyone else.

Think of how much space they will save ditching all the showroom costumes for the entertainers and they all just wear their own shorts and tube tops for every show. Flip flops may not work for dancing but bare feet will be okay. Maybe the lead singers could wear their "nice jeans" just to set them apart.



That scenario certainly works for me. :) As long as I'm happy with HAL'S itinerary and price, I don't even notice what passengers (or in your scenario- employees) are wearing. Life's too short. ENJOY.

[SwissMyst]

That scenario certainly works for me. :) As long as I'm happy with HAL'S itinerary and price, I don't even notice what passengers (or in your scenario- employees) are wearing. Life's too short. ENJOY.

You are mistaken. It is the passengers who like to dress up and be with others who like to dress up and have signed up and chosen to agree with HAL's desire to create something special that are the ones who have learned to enjoy life.

Life is too short for you to not find another cruiseline and passengers who are more compatible with our own sensabiities which are not in line with HAL's stated guidelines. Enjoy!

[CowPrincess]

I have seen many cruisers dress in smart casual on formal nights on other cruise lines and no one seems to object...but this is my first HAL cruise and I don't want to upset anyone's apple cart.


We did a 10 day Mex cruise last year, and on the first formal night there were a fair number of men who were not dressed to "recommendation". On the 2nd and 3rd formal night, it appeared that everyone who ate in the MDR was dressed to "recommendation". So either the non-conformers had seen that they were out of step and upped their game a bit, or they chose to eat elsewhere for nights 2 and 3.

[Zappa Fan]

You are mistaken. It is the passengers who like to dress up and be with others who like to dress up and have signed up and chosen to agree with HAL's desire to create something special that are the ones who have learned to enjoy life.

Life is too short for you to not find another cruiseline and passengers who are more compatible with our own sensabiities which are not in line with HAL's stated guidelines. Enjoy!

I'm not going anywhere. And it's rather insulting to be told to do so. My "sensabilities" don't give a flying flip about how fellow passengers are dressed. To those it bothers, I'd suggest that they "Enjoy!" Cunard or another line that ENFORCES their SUGGESTED guidelines.

I love to dress up. I enjoy life... more than you can imagine. But, I DON'T CARE how others are dressed. It does not effect my dining experience. Why is that so difficult to understand?:confused: Live and let live. Or hit the road. The future is becoming clear..... :)

[wingit]

My husband always brings a black suit and wears it on Formal Nights. He does change into casual clothes after dinner as he always goes to the Casino for a spell and then turns in early. MY question is: I have purchased a new sports jacket for him as a Christmas present. It is a subdued brown tweed and lighter than his suit coat. So if he leaves his suit at home..brings his jacket..pairs it with pressed Khakis...Dockers...and wears a tie...He would be fine on HAL?

He is not much of one for fancy dressing, but he also respects convention and wants to dress as others do..or as HAL expects folks to dress on Formal Nights.

I have never heard anyone discuss appropriate shoes. He wears Nikes during the day, as most do...on formal nights, he wears wingtips. Is that necessary? Is it permissible to wear the Nikes at dinner..if all else is fine? I ask that because sometimes, when the ship is having a lot of motion, I wear my black sports shoes with black tights under a long dress. It seems common sense to me to wear safe shoes if the ship is dipping, but he insists he has to wear the wing tips on formal nights. What is the best advice for this?
Thanks for the advice.

Other than no flip flops, I don't believe HAL mentions what sort of foot wear is appropriate for the MDR on formal or smart casual nights. Soooo.... if your husband will actually feel comfortable wearing Nikes with a sport coat/tie outfit he should just go ahead and do that.:eek:

[Boatdrill]

I'm not so sure.

Lines are getting desperate for revenue and may not be willing to get "tough" about dress in the MDR. Even HAL.

And often, once the barn doors are opened, it won't be easy to herd the cattle back in.;)

If there' s one thing that can be said about HAL, it's that they put a high prioriity on repeat passengers. If the repeats raise enough fuss, HAL pays attention.

[Zappa Fan]

If there' s one thing that can be said about HAL, it's that they put a high prioriity on repeat passengers. If the repeats raise enough fuss, HAL pays attention.

To preface... please know that this isn't an "attack" on your post.

BUT... HAL looks at the bottom line. They're using media to attract younger cruisers....families, splash pools, etc.

If NEW cruisers continue to book, I'd venture to say that Holland America will let the old-timer's complaints go in one ear and out the other.

Personally, I don't care. Wear what you want.... big deal.

I'm confident in saying that as long as Holland America keeps their cruises priced competitively, the "traditional cruiser" is out of luck if they wish to stay with this WONDERFUL line.

Personally, I'm not going anywhere... as Frank Zappa would say.... "Any Way The Wind Blows". ;)

[HamOp]

Personally, I'm not going anywhere... as Frank Zappa would say.... "Any Way The Wind Blows". ;)

Do you really expect the "Dress Code Police" to know who Frank Zappa is?:D

[Zappa Fan]

Do you really expect the "Dress Code Police" to know who Frank Zappa is?:D

Naww...howsabout this: "Who Are The Brain Police". :)

I gotta fun idea, HamOp... wanna "FREAK OUT" together? ;)

[HWY 101]

Workout or ballet type non heeled (like some of our posters, ha ha) in dark colors certainly work and are quite comfortable for the ladies. In terms of the men who think they have to wear wingtips instead of the white tennis shoes, just go with a black canvas shoe ( with laces, not white, or not).

Personally I have a pair of white Lacoste, velcro strap light weight, pair of shoes that in some peoples' opinions (mostly ladies) look pretty good with a black tuxedo and white shirt and also pairs well with an Armani jacket, designer jeans, italian woven shirt and a nice bolo tie. But that is just me. Perhaps as mentioned by one of the prior posters. Formal wear in the Eastern US and Western US are often quite different.

Enjoy your cruise, Mind if I smoke on my balcony? :o

[HamOp]

Naww...howsabout this: "Who Are The Brain Police". :)

I gotta fun idea, HamOp... wanna "FREAK OUT" together? ;)

If you can find us a cruise where the hard-liners of the dress code on board, I'm in!

I haven't been called a "Hippy" for some time now:rolleyes:

[SwissMyst]

I'm not going anywhere. And it's rather insulting to be told to do so. My "sensabilities" don't give a flying flip about how fellow passengers are dressed. To those it bothers, I'd suggest that they "Enjoy!" Cunard or another line that ENFORCES their SUGGESTED guidelines.

I love to dress up. I enjoy life... more than you can imagine. But, I DON'T CARE how others are dressed. It does not effect my dining experience. Why is that so difficult to understand?:confused: Live and let live. Or hit the road. The future is becoming clear..... :)

You are correct. I **suggest** you find a more compatible cruise line that does not have the audacity such as HAL to suggest certain dress formalities for their guests enjoyment and privilege. It all seems so simple. You don't like HAL's dress suggestions. You don't like hearing other guests who do don't like those who ignore them. Seems like you are the one who would enjoy another cruise line, not those who appreciate HAL's suggestions. Just a suggestion. We would be happier. You would be happier. This is a win-win.

[HWY 101]

My great aunt who is 86 old in an assited complex..

http://www.wildcowboy.com/Bolo-ties-Collar-Tips-Scarfs-Slides_c21.htm:o

[HWY 101]

Look like this.

http://www.wildcowboy.com/Mens-Long-Sleeve-western-shirts_c255.htm:p

[HWY 101]

Just wondering.... we were thinking something like this... Is this appropiate?

http://www.wildcowboy.com/Child-western-wear-access_c17.htm

they dont smoke yet, they just chew.... :p

[Zappa Fan]

You are correct. I **suggest** you find a more compatible cruise line that does not have the audacity such as HAL to suggest certain dress formalities for their guests enjoyment and privilege. It all seems so simple. You don't like HAL's dress suggestions. You don't like hearing other guests who do don't like those who ignore them. Seems like you are the one who would enjoy another cruise line, not those who appreciate HAL's suggestions. Just a suggestion. We would be happier. You would be happier. This is a win-win.

*I have no problem with HAL's SUGGESTIONS.
*I do not care how others dress. It does not faze my experience.
*I love HAL and have no plans to go elsewhere.
*Sorry you're not gonna be any happier.
*This is a WIN for this cruiser.

[buckirj1]

You are correct. I **suggest** you find a more compatible cruise line that does not have the audacity such as HAL to suggest certain dress formalities for their guests enjoyment and privilege. It all seems so simple. You don't like HAL's dress suggestions. You don't like hearing other guests who do don't like those who ignore them. Seems like you are the one who would enjoy another cruise line, not those who appreciate HAL's suggestions. Just a suggestion. We would be happier. You would be happier. This is a win-win.

Dressing up is a lot like having children: don't wanna, don't hafta, ain't gonna.

My sole reason for intending to cruise HAL (or any line) is to take as many different Canada/NE cruises as possible. I hope never to repeat a ship/itinerary for a very long time. However, I don't want to dress up to do it, and guess what? I DON'T HAVE TO. That's why most cruise lines have alternatives to main/formal dining for those who don't wish to dress up at night because sometimes even "smart casual" is just too dang dressy. On my next cruise, whether or not it turns out to be HAL, I don't intend to darken the dining room door at all. That's what I call a win-win.

After every cruise I use my comment cards to lobby for the continued relaxation of dress codes for both passengers and crew (they look so uncomfortable), and also for the elimination of formal night. Apparently, so are many others. I think if you want to save your precious (in more ways than one) dress code and formal nights, you might want to consider using your comment cards, too. Like somebody else said, cruiselines listen to passenger comments and will act on them if they don't adversely affect the bottom line.

[chrispb]

Dressing up is a lot like having children: don't wanna, don't hafta, ain't gonna.

My sole reason for intending to cruise HAL (or any line) is to take as many different Canada/NE cruises as possible. I hope never to repeat a ship/itinerary for a very long time. However, I don't want to dress up to do it, and guess what? I DON'T HAVE TO. That's why most cruise lines have alternatives to main/formal dining for those who don't wish to dress up at night because sometimes even "smart casual" is just too dang dressy. On my next cruise, whether or not it turns out to be HAL, I don't intend to darken the dining room door at all. That's what I call a win-win.

After every cruise I use my comment cards to lobby for the continued relaxation of dress codes for both passengers and crew (they look so uncomfortable), and also for the elimination of formal night. Apparently, so are many others. I think if you want to save your precious (in more ways than one) dress code and formal nights, you might want to consider using your comment cards, too. Like somebody else said, cruiselines listen to passenger comments and will act on them if they don't adversely affect the bottom line.


Totally in agreement with you. Formal nights were keeping a lot of people away from cruising. Why else do so many lines now offer casual dining?

The Lido is sooo calm and relaxing on formal nights - loved it.

You guys who always use the MDR for dining, why not use it for breakfast and lunch? Then I can have my breakfast in peace too.

[madelinerose]

Personally I have a pair of white Lacoste, velcro strap light weight, pair of shoes that in some peoples' opinions (mostly ladies) look pretty good with a black tuxedo and white shirt and also pairs well with an Armani jacket, designer jeans, italian woven shirt and a nice bolo tie.


Lady here. These with a tux? Sorry, but I beg to differ. ;)http://www.zappos.com/images/732/7327849/6627-437435-d.jpg


Edited to add......No, I am in no way, shape or form the dress code police or would ever pretend to be. ;-)

[SwissMyst]

Yes, that is a win-win. Stay in your cabin and dine in on formal nights when HAL requests certain dress suggestions for the enjoyment of its passengers and you choose not to honor them.

Much like demanding you get to smoke in public rooms, because you want to or talk loudly on a cell phone during entertainment, because you want to. Or you get to swim in the buff, because you want to. Or you get to stick your hands in all the buffet dishes, because you want to. Or you get to push your way to the front of every line, because you want to.

The heck with any HAL "suggestions" if they are something you do not want to do. Sail Anarchy Cruise Lines, but be sure to let us know you are in charge so we can take our own differing sensabilities elsewhere. There are other cruise lines catering to passengers who don't have to be told how to dress because they already know how to do it and care about their fellow passengers.

Bye bye HAL, if you let people like this run your show, because this is what they want. Gheesh, where is conventional behavior these days. Why do some pride themselves with flaunting some rules, but then expect others to comply to others. It's all the same folks. The "suggestions" are there just like they expect compliance with keeping your fingers out of the food, and not smoking in the Exloration Cafe.

The "rules" (aka suggestions) are for the general benefit of all passengers. Find another cruise lines that likes your rules rather than smuggly choosing which ones you want to follow and sticking it to your fellow passengers when you flout breaking the ones you don't like, to the detriment of your fellow passengers who signed up in good faith assuming they would be followed. The breach is yours for intentionally cherry-picking and violating your brand of "rules", not ours for assuming HAL would meet their offered travel expectations.

I confess, it is your attitude that offends me more than the consequences of your petty ideas of rebellion. My best advice is that I leave this thread alone. Happy travels and I hope we do not share a ship. This will be best for both of us.

[madelinerose]

Stay in your cabin and dine in on formal nights...

Sail Anarchy Cruise Lines.....

I confess, it is your attitude that offends me more than the consequences of your petty ideas of rebellion. Happy travels and I hope we do not share a ship.


Same reply from me as in the "Don't sweat the small stuff" thread:
WOW! :rolleyes:

[SwissMyst]

Same reply from me as in the "Don't sweat the small stuff" thread:
WOW! :rolleyes:








Prime cherry picking. Yum, yum.

[madelinerose]

Prime cherry picking. Yum, yum.


Not.

[Jade13]

I am surprised people are not giving the definition of the word "Suggest". A suggestion is not a "Rule".

[SwissMyst]

I am surprised people are not giving the definition of the word "Suggest". A suggestion is not a "Rule".

Suggestion is an expectation as well. It is only a "suggestion" one does not smoke in public areas, stick their fingers in the buffet food, swim in the buff, wear pajamas to breakfast, or hang their laundry over the balconies?

Why is only the dress "suggestion" getting all the heat and defiance when we assume HAL will enforce other appropriate and expected guidelines. Some are for passenger health and safety but others are for mutual passenger ambiance and are stated up front before anyone buys their tickets.

[Bakincakes]

"suggestions" are guidelines.

They give examples of the kind of dress HAL expects their pax to wear on certain evenings.

Sad that adults need suggestions in order to figure out what is being requested.:rolleyes:

[HamOp]

Suggestion is an expectation as well. It is only a "suggestion" one does not smoke in public areas, stick their fingers in the buffet food, swim in the buff, wear pajamas to breakfast, or hang their laundry over the balconies?

Why is only the dress "suggestion" getting all the heat and defiance when we assume HAL will enforce other appropriate and expected guidelines. Some are for passenger health and safety but others are for mutual passenger ambiance and are stated up front before anyone buys their tickets.

Seems you have a problem with the difference between a suggestion and a hard and fast rule. The items you site above are for the most part rules of the cruise line, such as no smoking in public areas. One can actually be put off the ship at the next port if a violation of a rule is serious enough.
The dress code is a suggestion. If it were a rule, HAL would not prodive the casual option in the Lido on formal nights. Can you just see the reaction if HAL said you MUST be in formal dress to be seen in public on a formal night? The ships would sail (for a very short while) 9/10's empty.

In spite of what the majority opinion on this board may be, the majority of the younger crusing population, the ones who HAL must please in order to fill cabins now and in the future, are looking for a less formal vacation.

[SwissMyst]

Seems you have a problem with the difference between a suggestion and a hard and fast rule. The items you site above are for the most part rules of the cruise line, such as no smoking in public areas. One can actually be put off the ship at the next port if a violation of a rule is serious enough.
The dress code is a suggestion. If it were a rule, HAL would not prodive the casual option in the Lido on formal nights. Can you just see the reaction if HAL said you MUST be in formal dress to be seen in public on a formal night? The ships would sail (for a very short while) 9/10's empty.

In spite of what the majority opinion on this board may be, the majority of the younger crusing population, the ones who HAL must please in order to fill cabins now and in the future, are looking for a less formal vacation.

Please note the post outlining various cruise lines and their dress policies and level of enforcement of those policies. Cite your proof HAL needs to appeal to younger, casual dressers in order to fill its cabins. Or is that just an opinion or speculation. Just as likely the older more traditional passengers, long the larger bulk of loyal HAL passenger demographics would be turned off by such a remedy.

It is probably far more than dress codes that appeal or do not appeal to younger passengers. Maybe no ban on marijuana smoking might be a better draw for those demographics.

I also have not noticed that younger people do not like to dress up. Bling is their second nature and a large part of their spending patterns. Nor have they traditionally been drawn to cruising over more active independent travel experiences.

So please, provide your proof or reveal you are just basing your arguments against an active dress code as your own opinions. My speculations are opinions, but they deserve to be tested out, just like yours.

[Zappa Fan]

...It is probably far more than dress codes that appeal or do not appeal to younger passengers. Maybe no ban on marijuana smoking might be a better draw for those demographics.

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here... I'll bet you're not a fan of topless sunbathing on the top deck while indulging in a joint? Been there. Done that. LOL :)

[HamOp]

Bling is their second nature and a large part of their spending patterns. Nor have they traditionally been drawn to cruising over more active independent travel experiences.

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It would seem obvious that as the older gereration become too old to cruise and in time die off, the younger generation will take their place as the "older" generation, but with different standards.

But you digress in asking for my proof.

The question is suggestions v. rules. I think I made my point, and you can not rebut that.

You may have the final word, or not as you chose.....

[HamOp]

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here... I'll bet you're not a fan of topless sunbathing on the top deck while indulging in a joint? Been there. Done that. LOL :)

I wanna cruise with you guys:cool::D

[SwissMyst]

I wanna cruise with you guys:cool::D

NCL - Free Style Cruising. All yours.

[SwissMyst]

It would seem obvious that as the older gereration become too old to cruise and in time die off, the younger generation will take their place as the "older" generation, but with different standards.

.....

You seem to forget the younger generation gets old too and will fill in the slots now as old people who will have their turn (as aging baby boomer are now finding out) being appalled at those cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns that are invading their spaces and getting in their faces.

If I see any trend at all in younger people today it is that they do want more manners, formality and rules. Their lives have been lived too long at the mercy to too many without them. I think they will make fine traditional HAL cruisers in the future.

Don't let them down, HAL. Your ships, your long sea traditions, your incredible artwork and venerable displays speak of another time that is still savored by many. Plenty enough to fill your ships for a long time to come.

You are proud in your traditions; not fussy or pretentious. That is all we are asking you to protect. Glitz and edginess can be another brand's signature. Quiet dignity I hope long will be yours. And that is not necessarily expensive, high end luxury. Nope, just quiet dignity that bespeaks of another time that remains timeless.

You got it right HAL. You need to change little for a long, long time. Bury me at sea first, then put the topless octogenarians on deck with their hookas and bongs. Darn, I won't be around to see how full body tattoos sag and fade.

[HWY 101]

"If I see any trend at all in younger people today it is that they do want more manners, formality and rules."

Now that is funny, and also incorrect imo.


Having worked in the apparel fashion business for over 25 years dealing primarily with these young peoples' wants and needs, it is certainly not more manners, formality and rules. As mentioned some of us baby boomers are the new generation of older travelers and we don't crave or demand every cruiser on ship dress formal either.

Also, again as mentioned, suggestions and rules are two different concepts, and understanding your need to dress formally on those occasions should not, and will not allow you take over the entire ship as formal nights. We will stay out of MDR on those evenings, but we dress comfortably for other sections of the ship.

[HWY 101]

Also, as mentioned by many of us here, and very important in trying to convince anyone other than the ones who already agree with you (preaching to the choir). 90% of your fellow cruisers will not post on travel forums or really care that you demand proof of anything said here when talking about the total number of beliefs the passengers of a full cruise ship.

[SwissMyst]

. We will stay out of MDR on those evenings, but we dress comfortably for other sections of the ship.

Too bad dressing up and dressing comfortably cannot be the same thing for some folks. Since you are in the apperel business, how about coming up with comfortable and dressy cruise clothes.

Seems pretty easy for women - pants and tops, skirts and tops. No need for fussy undergarmets. Those items can be dressy, comfortable and forgiving all at the same time, and light weight and easy to pack too.

What would work for men to be both comfortable and a little bit formal too?

I see younger people now worried about getting jobs and finding dressing up is better for their needs in the working world than being in your face GenXer's with attitudes, tattoos and dress-down Fridays. Keep looking. I am seeing a new generation that is far more conservative in dress, style, attitude and culture than we have seen in a long time. And not a moment too soon.

[bonsat]

You seem to forget the younger generation gets old too and will fill in the slots now as old people who will have their turn (as aging baby boomer are now finding out) being appalled at those cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns that are invading their spaces and getting in their faces.

If I see any trend at all in younger people today it is that they do want more manners, formality and rules. Their lives have been lived too long at the mercy to too many without them. I think they will make fine traditional HAL cruisers in the future.

Don't let them down, HAL. Your ships, your long sea traditions, your incredible artwork and venerable displays speak of another time that is still savored by many. Plenty enough to fill your ships for a long time to come.

You are proud in your traditions; not fussy or pretentious. That is all we are asking you to protect. Glitz and edginess can be another brand's signature. Quiet dignity I hope long will be yours. And that is not necessarily expensive, high end luxury. Nope, just quiet dignity that bespeaks of another time that remains timeless.

You got it right HAL. You need to change little for a long, long time. Bury me at sea first, then put the topless octogenarians on deck with their hookas and bongs. Darn, I won't be around to see how full body tattoos sag and fade.

wait, i'm running to get my violin....

[SwissMyst]

It would seem obvious that as the older gereration become too old to cruise and in time die off, the younger generation will take their place as the "older" generation, but with different standards.

But you digress in asking for my proof.

The question is suggestions v. rules. I think I made my point, and you can not rebut that.

You may have the final word, or not as you chose.....

The point is not rules, guidelines or suggestions, it is trying to understand why so many here freak out at the simple request (rule, guideline or suggestion) to simply dress up a few nights and make the whole ship feel more festive.

People need to chill out over putting on a jacket or a pretty top if anyone really needs to chill a bit. HAL gives us lovely ships and they hope this is returned in a few evenings where everything sparkles a bit more than usual.

I can give HAL this and my other fellow travellers this. That is the small stuff. Breaking the mood by not only dressing down but then flaunting it seems to be the ones who need to chill a bit.

[DizzyDallasDi]

You seem to forget the younger generation gets old too and will fill in the slots now as old people who will have their turn (as aging baby boomer are now finding out) being appalled at those cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns that are invading their spaces and getting in their faces.

I am one of those "aging baby boomers" you referred to. I know and understand my generation very well and can pretty much confirm that the vast majority of us are not "appalled at those cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns that are invading [our] spaces and getting in [our] faces." In fact, it is us, the baby boomers, who are the cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns. :D Our mantra in the '60s is still alive and well and we still believe "we will never get old." To us, getting old is a state of mind, not a chronological state.

Diane

[bonsat]

and we don't believe that clothes make the man.

[HWY 101]

Trust me lady, I can wear any type of clothing formal or casual with the best of them, as it was my job. Instead of suggesting I wear what you prefer, plese know your suggestions mean nothing to me.:D That suggestion is for you. Enjoy your cruise.

[wingit]

I am one of those "aging baby boomers" you referred to. I know and understand my generation very well and can pretty much confirm that the vast majority of us are not "appalled at those cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns that are invading [our] spaces and getting in [our] faces." In fact, it is us, the baby boomers, who are the cheeky, tradition breaking young 'uns. :D Our mantra in the '60s is still alive and well and we still believe "we will never get old." To us, getting old is a state of mind, not a chronological state.

Diane

Since there about 80 million or so baby boomers in the US it might be a bit of a reach to say anything at all conclusive about what the vast majority are appalled by, whether or not they are cheeky, or what they take as their mantra.

And while its true you're as young as you feel, getting old is a chronological state.

I mean no offense, Diane. But if there's one thing a person cannot generalize about it is the baby boom generation. It's just too large and varied of a population! And thank goodness for that. :)

[0verboard]

Since it is not against the dress code to wear jeans on the last night of a cruise, there was nothing to be said to those; now the shorts is a different matter.

Speedos are cool, right? At least, if you're at the pool? http://www.silentwulf.com/flash/Horrible%20Pose.swf

[DizzyDallasDi]

Since there about 80 million or so baby boomers in the US it might be a bit of a reach to say anything at all conclusive about what the vast majority are appalled by, whether or not they are cheeky, or what they take as their mantra.

And while its true you're as young as you feel, getting old is a chronological state.

I mean no offense, Diane. But if there's one thing a person cannot generalize about it is the baby boom generation. It's just too large and varied of a population! And thank goodness for that. :)

I said getting old is a state of mind.

Vive la difference! :D

Diane

[HWY 101]

Lady here. These with a tux? Sorry, but I beg to differ. ;)http://www.zappos.com/images/732/7327849/6627-437435-d.jpg


Edited to add......No, I am in no way, shape or form the dress code police or would ever pretend to be. ;-)

OK, MadelineRose, you caught me on that one:rolleyes:. Those comments were intended to be tongue in cheek or cheeky:D, depending on whom you talk to.

But these light weight foot puppies do work well, imo with the Armani jacket, designer jeans, Italian woven shirt, and of course, for that International Americana Western influence, the Bolo Tie...:p

[madelinerose]

OK, MadelineRose, you caught me on that one:rolleyes:. Those comments were intended to be tongue in cheek or cheeky:D, depending on whom you talk to.

But these light weight foot puppies do work well, imo with the Armani jacket, designer jeans, Italian woven shirt, and of course, for that International Americana Western influence, the Bolo Tie...:p


Whatever you say, HWY 101. These puppies do, however, come in black. ;)

[packedandready]

I hope this question doesn't get lost in all of this but I don't want to start another "dress code" post.

Dh and I are looking a HAL for the Panama Canal. We've cruised RCI 5 times and Celebrity once. According to HAL's website the evening dress suggestion is for all public areas. I've read on this board that if one wants to wear shorts then they should either call room service or go to the Lido (which I'm guessing is the buffet??).

I've also read about those complaining about seeing shorts in the Lido in the evening. So....which is it? Is there anyplace (other than room service) to eat in the evenings if we want to just stay in shorts get a quick bit to eat and retire early?

What areas are NOT considered public areas in the evening?
Thanks

[donaldsc]

Can men wear nice jeans on semi formal night?

Bob:)


Aren't "nice jeans" a contradiction in terms?

DON

[Mary Ellen]

I've also read about those complaining about seeing shorts in the Lido in the evening. So....which is it? Is there anyplace (other than room service) to eat in the evenings if we want to just stay in shorts get a quick bit to eat and retire early?

What areas are NOT considered public areas in the evening?IMHO you are 'safe' wearing shorts in the Lido while having dinner. You would also be fine out on deck and around the pool.

[taxmantoo]

Aren't "nice jeans" a contradiction in terms?

DON

Not if you wear them with "nice" flip-flops and a "nice" t-shirt while enjoying a "nice" glass of boxed wine...

[suse]

Not if you wear them with "nice" flip-flops and a "nice" t-shirt while enjoying a "nice" glass of boxed wine...
It's funny; I was on the West. on November 29th sailing and I never once saw anyone who looked even mildly offensive. So, I don't really know what all this brouhaha is all about. Maybe I just don't think about this issue very much but everyone looked quite grand to me.:)

[Hflors]

Not if you wear them with "nice" flip-flops and a "nice" t-shirt while enjoying a "nice" glass of boxed wine...

I am thinking of wearing my PJ's they have flip-flops printed all over the pants and a very nice set of flip-flops on the tee-shirt. Do you think I'll be ok?

[suse]

I am thinking of wearing my PJ's they have flip-flops printed all over the pants and a very nice set of flip-flops on the tee-shirt. Do you think I'll be ok?
But make sure you wear the ROBE while wandering the decks.:):):)

[topspot]

Dressing up is a lot like having children: don't wanna, don't hafta, ain't gonna.

And I would like to add: and you can't make me.

[Former Goalie]

I'm not going anywhere. And it's rather insulting to be told to do so. My "sensabilities" don't give a flying flip about how fellow passengers are dressed. To those it bothers, I'd suggest that they "Enjoy!" Cunard or another line that ENFORCES their SUGGESTED guidelines.

I love to dress up. I enjoy life... more than you can imagine. But, I DON'T CARE how others are dressed. It does not effect my dining experience. Why is that so difficult to understand?:confused: Live and let live. Or hit the road. The future is becoming clear..... :)
Agreed here. Notice in HAL's wording about dressing for smart casual there is the qualifier "can." IMHO there is absolutely no prohibition against wearing jeans (whether they are "nice" or not) on smart casual nights.
To the OP, I would say dress as you have said you wish to, wear jeans!
Obviously cruise critic is a very popular site for cruise travelers. To the OP I would also suggest there is a large pool of cruise travelers who don't frequent cruise critic, and aren't quite as finicky about the minutiae of cruising. As others have mentioned, there have been frequent jeans sightings on HAL ships on smart casual nights.
Why?: Because they aren't prohibited.
And, as others have mentioned, even the alleged "required" dress codes on virtually all mass market ships are not being enforced, anyway.

[topspot]

The point is not rules, guidelines or suggestions, it is trying to understand why so many here freak out at the simple request (rule, guideline or suggestion) to simply dress up a few nights and make the whole ship feel more festive.

People need to chill out over putting on a jacket or a pretty top if anyone really needs to chill a bit. HAL gives us lovely ships and they hope this is returned in a few evenings where everything sparkles a bit more than usual.

I can give HAL this and my other fellow travellers this. That is the small stuff. Breaking the mood by not only dressing down but then flaunting it seems to be the ones who need to chill a bit.

I don't need to dress up to feel festive, if you do then that is your choice. HAL does not "give" us anything. We pay good money to sail on their DAM ships. I do not dress up or down to "set a mood", and if I decide to dress down I do not intend it to be flaunting the DAM dress code. If you so choose to have your mood decided by what I wear, again, that is your choice. There are alot of factors that go into deciding what cruise line to sail on, and for me, what the dress code is like is way down on the list.

[Boytjie]

Obviously cruise critic is a very popular site for cruise travelers. To the OP I would also suggest there is a large pool of cruise travelers who don't frequent cruise critic, and aren't quite as finicky about the minutiae of cruising.

How do you know that? They might be even more finicky than Cruise Critic members. :rolleyes:

[topspot]

How do you know that? They might be even more finicky than Cruise Critic members. :rolleyes:

They might be, but the evidence (they way they dress while on the ship) seems to indicate they aren't.

[Boytjie]

They might be, but the evidence (they way they dress while on the ship) seems to indicate they aren't.

I did not realise it is possible to distinguise Cruise Critic passengers from others merely by looking at them... It's all just sepeculation, isn't it?

[Cuizer2]

What are "nice" jeans? Or are they just not "mean" jeans? :confused:

So, even HAL has dress code threads. At any rate, given that this is a dress code thread, I think this is the best reply I have ever seen in a dress code thread.

[packedandready]

IMHO you are 'safe' wearing shorts in the Lido while having dinner. You would also be fine out on deck and around the pool.


Thanks. All the ships I've been on have been too cool to walk around in shorts anywhere except outside. But, occasionally we like to stay out by the pool, grab a early dinner and head back to the cabin. Nice to know we'd be able to do that.

[tbrein]

Nice Jeans=oxymoron

[Spender Nui]

When did dungarees become jeans? Just wondering.

[Cuizer2]

Nice Jeans=oxymoron

There are now designer jeans. Thus nice jeans is no longer an oxymoron.

[Cuizer2]

Aren't "nice jeans" a contradiction in terms?

DON

Not since the designers started putting there name on the jeans.

[iancal]

My guess is that this board has a much higher percentage of self described fashion divas, etiquette experts, and busybodies that either of the population on a HAL cruise or the population in general. As long as no one wears white jeans past september I am happy.

[Copper10-8]

................. As long as no one wears white jeans past september I am happy.

Dang!:(

Now I gotta go looking for black jeans again!:cool:

[suse]

Dang!:(

Now I gotta go looking for black jeans again!:cool:
And just when I thought my self-proclaimed diva look was complete, now I realize I need some white jeans for those September days. This is one chickadee wondering what shoes will go with them?:confused: I love these dress code threads. I'm not going to tell you which other ones I find fun. That's a secret.;)

[babyher]

And just when I thought my self-proclaimed diva look was complete, now I realize I need some white jeans for those September days. This is one chickadee wondering what shoes will go with them?:confused: I love these dress code threads. I'm not going to tell you which other ones I find fun. That's a secret.;)


Aren't the ones that make you shake your head and laugh the fun ones???

[babyher]

Dang!:(

Now I gotta go looking for black jeans again!:cool:


If I remember from back in the day , Sergio Valente and Gloria Vanderbilt used to make some nice ones.

I am sure you can find them at Chess King. *LOL*

[suse]

Aren't the ones that make you shake your head and laugh the fun ones???
And there are many, many of those. It's entertaining. A gazillion times over.:)

[iancal]

Jeans are clearly within the dress code (not that it really matters to me). People who for some reason do not like jeans will convey the impression that anyone wearing them to dinner in the hallowed HAL dining halls must be wearing a pair of torn, dirty, greasy pants or short shorts that are also ripped and that the people wearing this clothing must be well below them in social standing and really should not have been allowed on the ship in the first place (and let's hope they are in steerage class). The fact is that jeans can be anywhere from this to well styled apparel fashioned from a fine demin. Glass half empty or glass half full?
But in the end, what matters is who is inside the clothes. Or perhaps HAL should consider banning polyester in favour of natural fibres.

[Prada Cowboy]

Jeans are clearly within the dress code (not that it really matters to me). People who for some reason do not like jeans will convey the impression that anyone wearing them to dinner in the hallowed HAL dining halls must be wearing a pair of torn, dirty, greasy pants or short shorts that are also ripped and that the people wearing this clothing must be well below them in social standing and really should not have been allowed on the ship in the first place (and let's hope they are in steerage class). The fact is that jeans can be anywhere from this to well styled apparel fashioned from a fine demin. Glass half empty or glass half full?
But in the end, what matters is who is inside the clothes. Or perhaps HAL should consider banning polyester in favour of natural fibres.

HA HA HA ! Very well said! I would wonder if they wouldn't allow Poyester anymore to the dining room! I have never seen so many badly dressed people then on a cruise in Jeans or not! Jeans are now in our days a very exeptable form of clothing! And Jeans, white shirt and Jacket looks better then some how do you call them on here "Dockers" from Sears and a Polyester Hawaiian Shirt!

[pris993]

Jeans, flip flops, baseball caps, and T shirts have no place in the diningroom.

When I fill out my cruise questionnaire I make a point of telling the cruise line to maintain high standards for dress.

[Prada Cowboy]

I totally agree in this part! Beside Jeans!

[sapper1]

HA HA HA ! Very well said! Jeans are now in our days a very exeptable form of clothing!

I certainly agree with you that jeans are exeptable in the dining room. I don't find them acceptable at all.:D

[HWY 101]

Ok, the chess king reference did make me laugh;:) We did see a guy at lunch in the lido in the always humorous, bath robe no shirt, and I sure hope, swim trunks.

In terms of jeans, understanding I am not talking formal night, but nice jeans versus mean jeans... We did see a couple (at least I did) who were from Europe with two other couples in the Tamarind, and the young lady was wearing jeans and imo those were nice jeans.:D

[mudscraper]

Ok, the chess king reference did make me laugh;:) We did see a guy at lunch in the lido in the always humorous, bath robe no shirt, and I sure hope, swim trunks.

In terms of jeans, understanding I am not talking formal night, but nice jeans versus mean jeans... We did see a couple (at least I did) who were from Europe with two other couples in the Tamarind, and the young lady was wearing jeans and imo those were nice jeans.:D
"Tight Fittin Jeans"
Conway Twitty sang it.:):)


Rich

[happyglobetrotter]

I'm not going anywhere. And it's rather insulting to be told to do so. My "sensabilities" don't give a flying flip about how fellow passengers are dressed. To those it bothers, I'd suggest that they "Enjoy!" Cunard or another line that ENFORCES their SUGGESTED guidelines.

I love to dress up. I enjoy life... more than you can imagine. But, I DON'T CARE how others are dressed. It does not effect my dining experience. Why is that so difficult to understand?:confused: Live and let live. Or hit the road. The future is becoming clear..... :)

I just came back from Cunard and smart casual night means a jacket for men and nice clothes for women....so jackets are required every night to go and eat in the luxurious dining room with white tablecloths, fresh flowers, fancy menu, well dressed waiters, etc. Something normal for me as well....

It is a given that people should not dress the same to go to Wal Mart or Home Depot than they should do to enter the main dining room.

Unfortunately those who are rebellious DO affect the athmosphere and enjoyment of everybody else (the 'I do not care...attitude', life is short, etc). As far as I am concerned, I know what to expect as the dress code when I go to Walmart and I hope I can find the dress code I expect when I am eating in a lovely 2 story dining room aboard a luxury cruise.

My thought !:D

[Opinions]

Unfortunately those who are rebellious DO affect the athmosphere and enjoyment of everybody else (the 'I do not care...attitude', life is short, etc).

I respect your opinion but not "everybody" feels the same way...It would be nice if everyone would follow the dress codes but the atmosphere and enjoyment of the cruise for me is not affected by the few who don't.

[pipedreams62]

http://widgets.nbc.com/o/4727a250e66f9723/4b2e5ff3b398eaa8/4b2c98c71aad23d7/a062a316/-cpid/97e2cecfbfb7f47c

[iancal]

Do the HAL posters on this board actually shop at Wal-Mart?? Maybe they do, but late at night, in mufti to avoid detection. I did notice lots of polyester on our HAL cruise.

[momofmeg]

Do the HAL posters on this board actually shop at Wal-Mart?? Maybe they do, but late at night, in mufti to avoid detection. I did notice lots of polyester on our HAL cruise.

I normally do, but not this time of year, nothing in Walmart I want THAT bad!

[mudscraper]

http://widgets.nbc.com/o/4727a250e66f9723/4b2e5ff3b398eaa8/4b2c98c71aad23d7/a062a316/-cpid/97e2cecfbfb7f47c
Funny. Great stuff.


Rich

[momofmeg]

I hope this question doesn't get lost in all of this but I don't want to start another "dress code" post.

Dh and I are looking a HAL for the Panama Canal. We've cruised RCI 5 times and Celebrity once. According to HAL's website the evening dress suggestion is for all public areas. I've read on this board that if one wants to wear shorts then they should either call room service or go to the Lido (which I'm guessing is the buffet??).

I've also read about those complaining about seeing shorts in the Lido in the evening. So....which is it? Is there anyplace (other than room service) to eat in the evenings if we want to just stay in shorts get a quick bit to eat and retire early?

What areas are NOT considered public areas in the evening?
Thanks

I have read of no one complaining about people wearing shorts on the lido on formal night. I HAVE read sarcastic comments that say they are expected to wear their evening gowns and tuxes on the lido on formal night. Wrong, and you can tell they are being sarcastic, as the majority of women wear cocktail dresses or dressy tops/slacks on formal night, and most men wear dark suits, NOT tuxes. Probably no more than 20% are in tuxes and evening gowns. Shorts on the lido, at the lido bar, outside on the promenade deck, and in the gym are fine on formal night. Those are the only public areas though they are fine.(0utside of the stairwells and the elevators, and the walkway to the outside door on the promenade deck, after all, no one can wiggle their nose and get up to the lido or outside on the promenade deck in real life)

[richard1s]

You can "do" whatever you want to, but I hope you will also ask yourself why do you want to do this as well. No, jeans nice or not do not meet the dress code suggestions. Why not pack something more appropriate just as easily as your "nice jeans"?

Very nicely said.