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florida_mom
December 24th, 2004, 02:18 AM
Just returned from the Zuiderdam's 5 day cruise to the Bahamas and Key West. Overall, my husband and I had a relaxing and fun time and found the Z to be a good ship. We have sailed on Disney, Carnival and Royal Caribbean and I knew that Disney would probably remain my favorite cruise line, but was surprised that the Carnival Paradise was better in my opinion than the Zuiderdam.

We booked on HAL because it was going to be adults-only, no kids this time! and we wanted a cruise line that was more geared to that kind of crowd. In earlier threads I had posted to this board that through a screw up (most notably, mine) we were told after we thought we had booked, that in fact the ship was sold out. Through perseverance, we managed to find a verandah cabin available 2 weeks before the ship sailed. 2 days before the ship sailed, my 3 year old came down with the stomach flu. We almost canceled our trip until my parents and my dh's parents who were watching our boys assured us that they had raised us successfully and to go ahead on our cruise. Secure in the knowledge that my 3 year old was indeed on the upswing, we left for Ft. Lauderdale.

The boarding process was long, in my opinion, but that may have just been because I was anxious to get going. I did notice a lot of young people, a lot of familiesWe boarded the ship, and a porter was there to help us with our carry ons and to find our cabin. This was our first time with a verandah, and we were thrilled with the cabin. Plenty of closet space, a safe, a decent bathroom with a tub, and for our luggage there was plenty of room under the bed to store it.

We proceeded to the Lido and were impressed with the amount and variety of food they had available. After we ate a late lunch, we went around exploring the ship. Lots of areas tucked away for sitting and having a drink or conversation, a nice library, etc. I was not expecting the grand atrium of the Carnival or Disney ship, but this one was kind of underwhelming.

Dinner the first night was great. Our tablemates were talkative and a lot of fun. The food was delicious. The service was ... not good. Our waiter introduced himself and then brought our food and that was about it. No refilling of ice water, no napkin in the lap, no crumbing the table off before dessert, no offer of anything else to drink except by the wine steward who came around. (I did ask for tea, and of course received it, but had to ask for a refill.) I realize this sounds petty, but it's the special touches that make a cruise a memorable one, and basic things like refilling ice water are necessities.

Following dinner we started on a walk around the promenade deck. I love having a promenade deck that goes all the way around a ship. The Disney Magic had this, but the others have not and I was glad to see it on the Zuiderdam. However, no sooner had we started walking, then I felt like I was going to be sick. We made it back to our cabin and I proceeded to be sick with the stomach flu for the rest of the night and next morning. I had caught what my little 3 year old had, and wow was it a doozy! (It made me feel even more guilty about leaving him...:( )

By 8 a.m. I figured I needed to see a doctor. If this kept up, I was going to get dehydrated. My husband called the infirmary to see if they were open yet, and indeed they were. I tried to get ready to go but was completely sapped of all energy. My husband seemed concerned when I told him there was no way I was going to be able to walk to the infirmary and to see if he could go down there and get me a wheelchair. He left, and 30 minutes later he returned with a nurse! Wow! She was wonderful. She gave me a shot of phenergen (miracle stuff...) and gave me a packet of gatorade to mix in water for sipping on. (My dh had already called room service that morning to see if they had popsicles by some wild chance. No. Gatorade? No. Ginger Ale? Yes!) With instructions to take it very slowly, the nurse left. About a half hour later, room service called, or maybe it was someone from the dining room. They were concerned about my request for popsicles, gatorade and ginger ale, and wanted to know if I thought I had become sick from something I ate in the dining room last night. No, no, we assured them, this was a stomach flu.

Needless to say, we did not make it into HMC. That day was a complete blur. I remember ice chips, small sips of gatorade, and the clouds outside. I was so very, very grateful for the verandah cabin. I kept encouraging my dh to go check out what might be happening on the ship, but he stayed, read his book ont he verandah, and took care of me. :)

Over the next few days, we became very familiar with room service. They did a great job, I have to say. I ventured out on the following day, which was Nassau. We had not intended to get off the ship at Nassau anyway, having already been there before. We did see a few things around the ship, and we listened to the jazz trio that night. They were good and we enjoyed listening to them. I did actually feel well enough to eat that night we were in Nassau, and we had already made reservations for the Pinnacle Grill, so we went. I ate lightly, but savored the Filet Mignon. My husband had the 22-ounce porterhouse, which he said was excellent. The service was outstanding, and the ginger ale even tasted like it was a good vintage. ;)

Our day at sea we enjoyed reading up on deck, I checked out the spa, and that evening was formal night. I was finally feeling 75% normal, and we returned to our table mates, and had a nice time. We went to the karioke at the Queen's Lounge, then off to the casino to make a deposit, and then back to hear the comedian who was doing her X-rated bit at that time, and was good for some laughs.

Our final full day had us at Key West. Because it was a US port, every singe passenger had to go for an immigration check starting at 7:15 a.m. whether you were getting of the ship or not. This was our first time off the ship! We're from Florida, so we have been to Key West before, but it was nice to just walk around and take in a few things. We returned to the ship for our final meal which again was very tasty but the service was poor (I had to ask 3 times to have my water refilled.) We went to see the entertainment which was an impressionist. This was sort of low-key entertainment, and funny but not what you might expect for the main entertainment of the night.

Disembarkation was disorganized. They do let you stay in your cabin until they call your number. However, ours was called last because we had no plane to catch. By this time we were up in the Lido getting that last cup of coffee. They call our number, and as we're finishing up, Rebecca, the cruise director comes on and scares us with the imposing of fines and the confiscation of our luggage if all passengers do not come immediately. Well, this fills my heart with panic! We're on deck 9! Debarkation is on deck 2! Will we make it before our luggage is confiscated?? Well, we get down there and there is a line snaking the entire length of the cruise ship, twice. Plus, there are people sitting in the lounges looking at the people in line like they are crazy for waiting in line. Meanwhile, Rebecca's loud and now annoying voice continues to warn all passengers of the doom that awaits them if they do not come immediately! Several passengers complain to HAL personnel about the process, and are told to write the company. We leave, and begin the 4 hour ride home.

Overall, we really did enjoy ourselves. The ship is beautiful and the food is very good. The entertainment that we typically listen to -- small jazz ensembles, stand-up comedians, was fine. The service was just not good, which is too bad for everyone because it will effect everthing--the passengers' experiences, the personnel's tips, and ultimately HAL. We're glad we went, and we did have ample opportunity to relax, which was our purpose in going.

Golfgrl1911
December 24th, 2004, 07:34 AM
Thank you for the review of your trip. I am so sorry to hear that you were ill. It's nice to know that the crew was concerned of whether you had the flu or were ill due to the food! On our last trip on the "Z" two of our friends developed very bad colds after the first night and it really put a damper on their long awaited trip! They too tried to make the best of it but like you said that certain days were a blur. By some miracle I was able to fight off my bout with it until the very last night. Have a great holiday! Nancy

mojodani
December 24th, 2004, 03:02 PM
FloridaMom,

Sorry to hear about your illness. Sounds like DH is a keeper!

We are doing the 4-day cruise on 1/29/05. We sailed the Radiance and the Star Princess earlier this year and thought the 4 day would be a nice way to sample HAL. We thought the RCI staff was more attentive in the DR than Princess.

I was disappointed to read that they didn't allow you to stay in your stateroom until disembarkation. Thanks for the heads-up about screech owl Rebecca and her idle threats -- they can have our dirty laundry! Which stateroom did you have?

Isn't it great to be able to drive to the port without the hassles of airports?!

Thanks again,
Joni

FL24K
December 24th, 2004, 03:46 PM
We were on the Dec. 11-18 sailing of the Zuiderdam and, although we had a "nice time", we have to say that we felt the ship and its staff were not that impressive. We have sailed on several other HAL ships and were very pleased with the ambience, food, cleanliness, cruise staff and entertainment. I felt like the cruiseline cut a lot of corners on the food and entertainment. Service was not up to the usual HAL standards. The ship is less than two years old, but I believe it has not been well-maintained and seems quite a bit older. The cruise staff seemed less than cheerful and not very pleasant when one tried to communicate with them. Ok, I felt they were just plain rude at times. Several people I spoke with said that the service in the cabins and food venues have suffered since HAL changed its tipping optional to the automatic tipping policy. There seems to be little or no incentive to give what use to be HAL's signature excellent service. Actually, we always tipped more than we did this time. The shows were also not up to par. We were surprised to see how amateur and unspectacular they were compared to the other lines we've sailed on recently.

If you are considering a cruise anytime soon, you might want to consider sailing on a different line, or at least a different HAL ship. :(

uncialman
December 24th, 2004, 04:17 PM
For the sake of the 'premium' line that I have loved for years, I pray that the folks at HAL in Seattle are reading these posts and are taking careful notes as to how to change things for the better. If you will notice, far too many of these reviews are absolutely identical to one another.

Again, I plead with HAL that they lay off the kiddie water wonderlands and such and focus on :

1. Bringing staff and service levels back up to pre- 2001 levels
2. Improving the food in the dining room
3. Keeping the classic cruise ambiance

I want to see HAL succeed instead of becoming an 'also ran' in the premium market.

florida_mom
December 24th, 2004, 09:25 PM
I was disappointed to read that they didn't allow you to stay in your stateroom until disembarkation. Joni, actually they would have, I think. We just chose to leave because we thought we might be able to get in that one last cup of coffee and crossaint at the Lido. So we left our stateroom and went there while they were still calling luggage tag numbers before ours.

Also, as you said, not having the hassle of the airports certainly is nice, and makes cruising an option for us.

coachj
December 26th, 2004, 12:28 PM
I also just returned from this cruise with somewhat different impressions. The embarkation line was not as long as other cruises and I arrived early in the process. The food was excellent and my waiters always made sure my water was full and I had a coke with my meal. They accomodated the vegetarian at our table with anything she wanted and were quick to clean when neccessary. My room steward was friendly and prompt to clean even bringing in a supervisor when they found a small wet spot on the carpet in the corner. Evidently they had a pool leak a while ago. But there was no problem. I think the ship looks older because of the decor. The cabin doors are a drab brown and the furniture, well it reminds me of a house of denmark torture chamber. not many comfortable chairs on this ship for me. The weather was terrible, many stuck on the private island because it was too rough to unload passengers, and nassau was windy. But my experiences on the ship were positive.:cool:

Zuiderdam 12/04
NCL Wind 4/04
Carnival Paradise 2/04
NCL Majesty 2/03
Carnival Ecstasy 4/93
Carnival Ecstasy 4/91
Emerald Seas 4/78
Emerald Seas 4/76
Carnival Valor 2/05

covey
December 26th, 2004, 12:58 PM
I was on the Zuiderdam the week beginning December 11 and had a great time. Having read the Boards for several months prior to departure, I was expecting less. The embarkation and debarkation were faultless; the food was very good; the veranda cabin is probably the best balcony, short of a suite, I have had; the entertainment was as expected; the service was attentive; the room steward couldn't be beat and I was very pleased overall. I did a review, posted in the Reviews section, two days after returning. I would not hesitate to sail on the Zuiderdam again. My caveat is in the review--I have not had extensive cruise experience--but I know good food and good service.

HeatherInFlorida
December 26th, 2004, 01:24 PM
First, FloridaMom, thanks so much for you review. Considering you were sick a good part of the time, it's obvious to me you try to be very positive in your review. So I think your comments mean something. You made the best of everything.

As far as service goes, I think we could talk to 20 different people on the same cruise, on different decks, in different parts of the dining room and we'd get 20 different opinions. So that does vary a lot.

However, it appears to me that some people posting on this thread are saying they were on FloridaMom's cruise, but it's all different dates. FloridaMom, didn't you go out of FLL on 12/18? Because a couple posting here are talking about the 12/11-18 cruise and saying it's the same cruise you were on. Just happened to notice that and got a little confused.

I hope HAL is listening, too, because I've noticed that overall, in most reviews, no matter how good a time people had, the service seems to be lacking. It needs some fixing and hopefully they'll find the best path to correcting the problem. In so many ways, HAL is still one of the best cruiselines afloat.

florida_mom
December 26th, 2004, 04:11 PM
FloridaMom, didn't you go out of FLL on 12/18? Because a couple posting here are talking about the 12/11-18 cruise and saying it's the same cruise you were on. Just happened to notice that and got a little confused.


Yes, we went from 12/18 to 12/23. Also, as we were checking in at the terminal we were told the ship was at total capacity, and she told us the cruise that had just ended was about 300 less people. Not sure if that difference out of the total would have effected service all that much, though.


I hope HAL is listening, too, because I've noticed that overall, in most reviews, no matter how good a time people had, the service seems to be lacking. It needs some fixing and hopefully they'll find the best path to correcting the problem. In so many ways, HAL is still one of the best cruiselines afloat.Sure, everyone is going to have a different experience. The waiters were very nice, it's just that they weren't around much. And I don't really fault them for this...they looked like they had a lot of tables to service. Also, as I mentioned, the service we had in the Pinnacle Grill was excellent and very attentive. Again, this is probably in large part due to the fact that the servers had fewer tables.

It was just our experience that most likely due to the staff's workload, our service was "eh.." rather than "wow!" and it's the "wow" for me that makes me want to cruise rather than do another type of vacation.

asmitty
December 28th, 2004, 05:40 PM
How about that day at Half Moon cay? Whew! What an adventure! I would have to say that the roller coaster ride/tender back to the ship was the most frightening experience I've had in a lonnnng time! But...other than that, I would have to say that I had a great time on the Zuiderdam (12/18-12/23).
Our dining room service was wonderful. My family fell in love with our dining stewards, Dudi and Frans. We ate in the lido each morning and for lunch, and if we didn't sit in Frans' section, he would remove all of our dishes and escort us to his table (priceless!). We met so many nice people and felt that everyone went out of their way to be friendly and courteous. So many of them expressed how much they miss their families. It breaks my heart to think that they may not have family at home, now. Our head waiter, Dudi, was expecting a baby in January. I wish there was a way to let him know that he and his family are in our prayers. Okay, onto happier things. I did think that the ship was a little tacky, but it didn't keep me from having a great time.

Florida mom, I'm so sorry to hear that you were sick. Atleast you missed the not so fabulous day at HMC. I was quite green for the rest of that day myself.

My husband and I would like to try one of the smaller HAL ships for our next cruise. Any suggestions?

florida_mom
December 28th, 2004, 10:17 PM
Our dining room service was wonderful. My family fell in love with our dining stewards, Dudi and Frans. We ate in the lido each morning and for lunch, and if we didn't sit in Frans' section, he would remove all of our dishes and escort us to his table (priceless!). We met so many nice people and felt that everyone went out of their way to be friendly and courteous. So many of them expressed how much they miss their families. It breaks my heart to think that they may not have family at home, now. Our head waiter, Dudi, was expecting a baby in January. I wish there was a way to let him know that he and his family are in our prayers.
I actually think I know what table you were at! I remember one night where there was a table chanting Dudi's name (I think it was the night of the Baked Alaska). Seemed like he was a fun waiter. :)

I am so heartbroken over the loss of life and what the survivors must be going through. And that is certainly brought home on a personal level when you realize that all of the people that took care of us on HAL were from the country that suffered the highest death toll so far.

bkreader
December 28th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Is it true there is no formal night on this 5-night trip? We are taking the same itinerary on Jan. 4 on Westerdam. It says 4 casual and one informal. Was the informal day on the sea day?

Also, our itinerary says we are in Nassau until midnight. Is there anything interesting in Nassau in the evening? - Jane (wondering if it is too soon to check weather reports :D )

florida_mom
December 29th, 2004, 07:27 AM
Our cruise docs said 4 casual and one informal, but once we got onboard, that informal night had turned into a formal night according to our itineraries we received in our room. It was on our day at sea.

In Nassau you can gamble at Atlantis on Paradise island, and I noticed that Senor Frogs, which is right off the dock, was busy at night.

I heard the following night, though, that our ship left 6 people in Nassau that had not returned in time. It was clear from everything we were told and received that we had to be back on board at 11:30 pm, and apparently some just didn't make it in time.

bkreader
December 29th, 2004, 12:11 PM
[QUOTE=florida_mom]Our cruise docs said 4 casual and one informal, but once we got onboard, that informal night had turned into a formal night according to our itineraries we received in our room. It was on our day at sea.
QUOTE]

Wow! Thanks for this info. I'll bet a lot of people were caught without their fanciest duds. :eek: Did they relax standards to allow men in without their ties? -

Jane (Who is off to scout her closets for a fancy dress :) )

Esme
December 29th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Florida_mom

A chap from our home town is working on the Zuiderdam with the cruise staff and I asked him about the announcement that the CD made about luggage that was not picked being confiscated and the owners being fined. He said

"The announcements about fines etc. are directives from the U.S. Customs and Immigration people".

Just thought you would like to know that this has nothing to do with HAL's policy.

So sorry you were ill on the ship but that you were able to at least enjoy a couple of days of your cruise. Hope you and your little boy are feeling better now.

florida_mom
December 29th, 2004, 11:58 PM
Wow! Thanks for this info. I'll bet a lot of people were caught without their fanciest duds. :eek: Did they relax standards to allow men in without their ties? -

Jane (Who is off to scout her closets for a fancy dress :) )
Actually, Jane, you'll be disappointed that I have absolutely no idea. That was my first night back in the dining room and I just recall trying to eat my beef boullion (I still wasn't feeling 100%).

Hubby and I had been planning on treating what we thought was an informal night a formal night, anyway, so we still wore the same thing.


A chap from our home town is working on the Zuiderdam with the cruise staff and I asked him about the announcement that the CD made about luggage that was not picked being confiscated and the owners being fined. He said

"The announcements about fines etc. are directives from the U.S. Customs and Immigration people".

Just thought you would like to know that this has nothing to do with HAL's policy.
Yeah, I figured it probably was... :)