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notyats
December 26th, 2004, 12:20 PM
Well this was an experience. Glad that we did it-Yes. Would we recommend it or do it again-NO. My Mom (Longtimer) and I did this trip, her 40th and my 14th on HAL. We had a delux verandah suite on deck 12. It was definately nice have the verandah. The laundry service that is complimentary to suite passengers was at best so-so. Most things had to be repressed to make them look presentable and more than once I repressed something I had sent out to be pressed. We spoke with the Housekeeping manager about it and he said to give them another try. Still the same. The real highlight of this cabin was having the best cabin stewart anyone could ever hope for. WONDERFUL is the only way to discribe him!

Check in at the pier as Penny said left much to be desired even in the suite line. New process and slow. My passport wouldn't read so had many trying to help there. It's a 1999 passport so that wasn't the problem.

The ship had problems with the water supply from the start. We stayed longer in two ports to take on water. Once in the Amazon it got only worse. They did lock the laundry rooms, ask everyone to recycle towels and take short showers. It took us several days to get back laundry that we had sent out so even suites were affected, no special treatment there.

Many that we spoke with said that they would never go on the Prinsendam again. HAL really needs to build a new elegent explorer. THe tenders are in terrible shape as are many areas. One rail that was being scraped for painting looked as if you leaned on it would break in half. They are sending alot of money on a ship that was built in 1988 and not taken the best of care of. The food was not what we were used to for HAL. Several were heard saying where are they getting these menu's from -SEATTLE- trying to streamline things we were told by the maitre-de. One note is that all on board were mariners. No newcomers on board. My Mom got her Platinum for over 700 days this trip.

The Caribbean ports for the most part were really good with the exception being Santa Barbara Dominican Republic. Dirty, smelly from exhaust fumes and unless you did a tour no one knew why we were there. We didn't feel safe walking in Kingstown and never made it totally to town. Went back to the ship. St. Barts was one of the most beautiful place in the Caribbean I have seen. Playground for the rich. All Paris stores and very pricey. I bought a bottle (8oz) of contact lense solution. Shell shock when I got home and found out I had paid $24.06 for the bottle. Euro and I didn't do good math while there. St. Lucia was beautiful. Georgetown was sad with the hurricane damage. It will take them years to have the spices again we were told. Did a tour with 6 other people. WONDERFUL and only $10. per person. 3 1/2 hours and great guide. The ships same tour was $49. Nice idea though to take up a collection on the ship to help the island out. They got quite a bit of money and sent the Captain a letter thanking him, staff and passengers.

The highlight of the Amazon portion of the trip was the little village of Boca De Vallerio. Truely an amazing little village filled with darling children. We took apples and gave them. Like giving them gold. They wanted $1.00 to take a picture, no big deal and worth it to most of us. I did hear some people say it was degrading or to take it from the rear to avoid paying. Talk about cheap IMO. The first port of Santarem was where we did the Tapajos and Jari Canal tour. $72.00 for pure HELL and was discribed on my Moms post. People that we talked to that went to town said it was really dirty. We did our shopping dockside which was very reasonable. Manaus is just a big dirty sticky and stinky city. Did the Opera House tour. I guess we were a little disappointed. It was not what we had expected but except for the stop at their market was ok. The market was awful IMO. Dirty smelly mess. I would not have touch anything. They throw all their trash and garbage in the streets. We did our shopping dock side again. A little more pricy but clean. Several friends that did the nighttime hunt tour and then the Jungle tour the following day said they were the same tour only one at night. Went to the same places but was ok. 90 minute boat ride again. We had cancelled this because of our experience in Santarem. The last port of Parintins was really a nothing unless you did the folk show which many did. A lot of folks also left their tickets at the tender point because of the extreme heat and humidity. They warned everyone before going ashore of the heat. It was almost unbearable. Nothing there except for the show. Two VERY SMALL shops with hardly anything in them and nothing else. We heard the tricycle tour was cancelled. No bugs was something we were surprised about. Went prepared for them and had none.

Back in the Caribbean Devils Island was the next port. It was truely a surprize. Really beautiful and well worth the stroll around the island which is easy to do. We sent postcards from there but haven't received them yet. No cards that were sent from the trip have made it yet. Did the rain forest tram in Dominica in the pouring rain but it was still worth it. Expensive for what it is but I'm glad we did it. St Thomas was just St Thomas. Shopping was easy if you went in really early but the later it got the more impossible to move around. Eight ships in port! To bad they can't be more scattered out.

I'm not sorry that we did this trip but I wouldn't recommend it or do it again. It's expensive, hot, very humid and very dirty in Brazil. Do your research if you are planning it for next year or save your money and go to Europe on a cruise. The river is icky looking and the smoke from burning the rain forest is so bad at times we thought the ship was on fire. You could see the flames the last night. Sad! Holland America should have done better homework on the Brazilian tours.

Only one really negative point on this trip was the shore excursion manager. She was a problem from day 1 with more than us and should not be working for HAL. Her personality or lack of were totally unprofessional.

HeatherInFlorida
December 26th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Notyats, thanks so much for posting your thoughts on this cruise. Since we are considering it for the future, I really like to read as much as I can ... good or bad. Your descriptions are very colorful and realistic feeling. I could almost feel the hot humidity! Do you know if there's a better time of year to make this trip? Obviously I'll look into it before booking, but was just curious what you had heard when you decided to go at this time. Thanks again for posting!

~Nereus~
December 26th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Heather:

What I remember from my Geography days... The Amazon has a tropical rainforest climate averaging 80 degrees per year with humidity varying between 80 and 100 percent...
if there were seasons, three would be hot & humid and the other hot and not so humid... :cool:

There was a tribe in the "jungle" called the Boro.. "discovered" (they didn't know they were lost) in the 1900's.. that didn't know how to make fire... rubbing wet sticks together didn't work, there are no rocks near the surface to spark... so they had to trade for it...

notyats... thanks for the review...

In all my early studies of Tropical Rainforest areas, I never found anything that would attract me to this region... few civilizations could prosper in an area of so many negatives... thanks for bringing this area to me "live"

Cultural determinism vs possibilism... flamers welcome :rolleyes:

wander
December 26th, 2004, 02:08 PM
For anyone considering a trip to the Amazon I would say - Ask youself why you want to go there. I have nothing but wonderful experiences from my trips to the Amazon and other tropical jungle sites I have visited. BUT, I knew where I was going and I specifically wanted to see something different that Europe or the United States. With that goal, the Amazon was a very special place to visit for me.

I am NOT disputing the posters experiences, obviously he/she did not enjoy what they found. I only want to present a different perspective and set of experiences. What any one future trip will be like one cannot predict.

In terms of the local conditions - I am not sure what the poster was expecting when traveling on the Amazon through a tropical Jungle? I realize how uncomfortable such conditions can be and the almost total absence of European type sites/sights there are to see in that region, but he/she surely must have know all of this before they went. So, I am not sure what the thought they were going to see.

And yes, I do know what it is like. I have been on several boats on the Amazon, lower and upper portions, I have been on a ship on the Orinoca (Venz.), and staying at eco-lodges and hiking in the Amazon jungle as well as the tropical jungles of Borneo and South East Asia. I know what it is like. Do I like tropical jungle weather - NO, I hate it. But, for each trip I knew what I was getting into and was willing to deal with it to experience different cultures, different sights and have very interesting experiences. I would rate each of my trips into such regions with a A+++.

Now, I love Europe and have spent months there in the past few years. However, I also love to travel for DIFFERENT experiences, and for me that means getting away from the "Western" world. Travel to and on the Amazon was one of those "top five" experiences for me. Others obviously don't enjoy it.

Slinkiecat
December 26th, 2004, 03:20 PM
What a nice piece of writing! Thank you so much for your views on the ship and the experience of the Amazon.

I know the ship is due in for some upgrades and renovation before we embark on our world cruise next month, so obviously it is in need of this attention. I hope it comes out of that better prepared to handle the passenger needs on a world cruise that includes not only Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Costa Rica, but goes on around to several other tropical islands and countries in the far east where living conditions for the natives may be far below the standards for life in our country.

I think we will try to see as much as we can in the ports and realize that our "floating hotel" may experience problems here and there, but still will be our refuge every night when we have excursions through exotic cities and ports.

There are several ports in the Far East that were hit by earthquakes during the past few days and a resulting tidal wave costing the lives of more than 3,000 people. I don't know whether we will be able to stop in Thailand or other ports as scheduled. I'm sure the people in those cities are not concerned with our vacation enjoyment in this time of tragedy.

I'm really looking forward to every stop on our cruise, and I realize that some may be more of a learning experience than entertainment. Thanks so much for preparing me for the experience of the Amazon jungle.

Slinkie

dakrewser
December 26th, 2004, 06:02 PM
The food was not what we were used to for HAL. Several were heard saying where are they getting these menu's from -SEATTLE- trying to streamline things we were told by the maitre-de.
Could you elaborate on what the food problems were?

notyats
December 26th, 2004, 07:53 PM
Well, I consider pork roast stuffed with applesause and prunes rather weird. I didn't say there were problems, I said that the food was not up to HAL standards as were previous cruises. Fish was marinaded which made it mushy, steak was tough and stringy, lamb was rare and tough. There was a lot of venison. That's not standard for a cruise line. They had strange combinations. Many times we asked for the fish to be pan fried and just a baked potato. Seattle is trying to make the menu's the same on all the ships. They shouldn't as each cruise is different in intinary and culture. The Amazon was what we expected. A big muddy river. There are places where you cant see from one side to the other. Brazil was not what I expected. It was DIRTY! Manaus used to be the richest city in the World. Yes the World. I didn't expect total filth like it was in areas. The hotel area was totally different. Quite beautiful. The jewerly stores will take you over there for free. So there are beautiful areas but for the most part is is icky. The heat and humidity are unbearable at times like in the last port. But it is south of the equator so this is also part of it. There are only certain times of the year that cruise lines make this trip. They are all around now. Friends of my Mom's did it last year in November. This is why I said to do research. Maybe some would like this. As I said I'm not sorry we did it but I would not recommend it or do it again.

Cruise Junky
December 26th, 2004, 09:44 PM
We have friends that just returned from this trip and said the same thing about the menu! Turkey Roll for Thanksgiving? Yuck! Also, they were pretty pissed at having a bottle of scotch confiscated after paying $40,000 for a cruise.

RClark6369@aol.com
December 26th, 2004, 10:31 PM
Wow,
Noty, I know you and I traded several e-mails prior to your sailing but I am so sorry the ship wasnt up to your expectations. We enjoyed the ship. Yes, the ship is showing its age, but we enjoyed this ship better than Zuiderdam..... I guess they have changed the menu since we were aboard this past November.
One concellation is that if we stayed in the same cabin as you did (022), you were not suppose to get free laundry in cat SS.
I hope you and your mother are able to try another HAL cruise soon.
Rex

Cruiseoften
December 26th, 2004, 11:49 PM
Notyats - unfortunate that you were disappointed in the Prinsendam. Like Rex we enjoyed her very much in November. She is a ship, not a floating resort. Most of the passengers on our trip were also Mariners and from what we overheard they were all delighted that HAL was keeping at least one 'small size' ship. The food was well varied and nicely presented - our only complaint was that it was never really hot.

Service was excellent and the waitstaff were all most pleasant and helpful. The Lido was a great place for breakfast and lunch.

The entertainment was some of the best. Viewing from any seat in the lounge was great - no pillars to obstruct the view as in many other ships.

We had the lovely new bedding, minibar, frige and a walk-in closet in our outside cabin on Lower Prom deck. The hair dryer and light up mirror were also nice additions. Drapes and bedspreads had not been updated but we were advised that they would be before the world cruise.

The fact that we never had to line up for anything was also a plus.

Who was the shore excursion manager?

Aussie Gal
December 27th, 2004, 01:20 AM
Notyats.

I have enjoyed reading your comments re the cruise up the Amazon. I have printed it for my sister as she is going in April 2006.

But I do agree with Cruiseoften's comments. We were on the Prinsendam in October and we had a wonderful experience. You were also lucky to be given free laundry as we were in SS 053 and we had to pay for ours!! But even paying for it, it came back beautifully pressed and clean. I also loved the size of the ship, no queues and great service.

Regarding the pork stuffed with apples and prunes. That is something that we have eaten here at home and have enjoyed it very much. We found the meals on the Prinsendam in October to be the best we have eaten while on a cruise. Perhaps our tastes are more European than yours and the meals were probably to more our liking. We also eat quite a bit of venison here in both Australian and N.Z. and enjoy it very much.

We are hoping to do this trip one day but we do know that the Amazon is nearly on the equator and therefore will be very hot and humid.

Jennie.

shipcafe
December 27th, 2004, 10:31 AM
Only one really negative point on this trip was the shore excursion manager. She was a problem from day 1 with more than us and should not be working for HAL. Her personality or lack of were totally unprofessional.

Interestingly enough if it is who I think it is ... she has been sailing as ShoreEx mgr. for a long time !

notyats
December 27th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Shore excursion manager was Debbie and I don't care how long she has been with HAL. She was a total witch with a different first letter. As for the cabin and free laundry, we paid to upgrade to cabin 001 so the laundry was free. I personally don't like the Prinsendam and know several others who also don't. I would much prefer the Rotterdam class or S class ship. I enjoyed the trip and have never said that I didn't. I said that I would not do it again or recommend it. That part of Brazil is filthy dirty. I thought that the Thanksgiving Dinner was GREAT! Didn't taste or look like turkey roll to me. They had pumpkin cranberry pie for dessert that was out of this world good. It was actually the best meal of the trip IMO. Also the prime rib that I had was excellent. Most of the other beef was tough. This wasn't. There seems to be an awful lot being read into what I said that isn't there. I wouldn't do the trip again, but I'm glad I did. I most likely will never sail on the Prinsendam again until it is replaced. I don't care for that ship.

Johanna7
December 28th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Notyats:

Thank you for your review. It was most comprehensive, interesting and informative.

It has helped us to decide where not to go. We appreciate that. Saves us time and lots of $$

jhannah
December 28th, 2004, 11:58 AM
For anyone considering a trip to the Amazon I would say - Ask youself why you want to go there. I have nothing but wonderful experiences from my trips to the Amazon and other tropical jungle sites I have visited. BUT, I knew where I was going and I specifically wanted to see something different that Europe or the United States.Well said. I believe this is the key. It's the Amazon ... not Martha's Vineyard. Third world countries and rain forest areas are going to be (most often) "dirty" when compared with what we experience on a daily basis. I hope to cruise the Amazon some day. I know it will be hot and sticky. But it's a unique ecosystem in its own right, and I'd love to experience it.

notyats
December 28th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Well said. I believe this is the key. It's the Amazon ... not Martha's Vineyard. Third world countries and rain forest areas are going to be (most often) "dirty" when compared with what we experience on a daily basis. I hope to cruise the Amazon some day. I know it will be hot and sticky. But it's a unique ecosystem in its own right, and I'd love to experience it.

That ecosystem won't be around long at the rate they are burning it.