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Hlitner
October 7th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Just got finished reading an article in the Financial Times about a huge national strike scheduled for next Tuesday (Oct 12). The latest is that many labor unions are now calling this an open-ended strike which means it could go on for many days and will affect everything from transportation to electric power. This is a nasty situation as the French workers do not want to have their retirement age increased from 60 to 62. Many in France have long considered work to be a 4 letter word and enjoy their short work weeks and long holidays. This will not be a good thing for any cruiser who will be in France next week (and possibly the following week).

Hank

Susan-M
October 8th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Hank,

Thanks for posting the 'heads-up' on this.

Those traveling to France might also find this Tripadvisor info (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187070-i12-k3917140-Some_things_about_strikes_in_France-France.html) helpful, & would also suggest keeping an eye on the TA forum (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowForum-g187070-i12-France.html) (in particular within 48 hours of when you'll be there) to see how you might be affected. The local 'destination experts' on Tripadvisor usually post up to date info on these situations.

JaneBP
October 8th, 2010, 10:40 AM
There is also an on-going strike at the port of Marseilles, affecting t ankers and the oil industry. I wonder if that affects cruise ships as well.

cberge
October 8th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Just got finished reading an article in the Financial Times about a huge national strike scheduled for next Tuesday (Oct 12). The latest is that many labor unions are now calling this an open-ended strike which means it could go on for many days and will affect everything from transportation to electric power. This is a nasty situation as the French workers do not want to have their retirement age increased from 60 to 62. Many in France have long considered work to be a 4 letter word and enjoy their short work weeks and long holidays. This will not be a good thing for any cruiser who will be in France next week (and possibly the following week).

Hank
I was in Paris a few years ago when the they had the week long transportation strike...no bus,metro etc. and a few other unions joined in as well...I was there the whole week plus and I learned to walk a a whole lot,and get used to fewer services fro sure,but it never seemed to affect the french people until they end when most of them could not get to work and realized they were not going to get paid...then they rallied against the unions.It was interesting to say the least.I don't think I would like to be there on a cruise with just a limited amount of time,and let me say if you are going to be there not only have a Plan B,but a C and D as well.I was only in Paris (altho I id manage to take the Chunnel to London one day as they were not on strike)but this national strike can affect so much.Hank, I am sure travlers will be pleased that you gave them this heads-up.:D

Hlitner
October 8th, 2010, 06:58 PM
I should have mentioned that anyone who will be in France (anywhere in France) next week should carefully monitor various news and internet sites for the latest news as this strike is still a work in progress. Nobody is quite sure what will happen at this point...but if it does happen (very likely) it will be UGLY.

Hank

Wendy The Wanderer
October 8th, 2010, 07:36 PM
I have read, and heard, in several places that the issue is raising the retirement age from 65 to 67, not what the OP posted.

moyaroo
October 8th, 2010, 10:29 PM
I have read, and heard, in several places that the issue is raising the retirement age from 65 to 67, not what the OP posted.
see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/world/europe/16france.html

The age in France is 60. This is as huge as if the US voted for a 65 to 67. Maybe bigger given the French predisposition for the greve or strike.

Hlitner
October 9th, 2010, 12:42 AM
I have read, and heard, in several places that the issue is raising the retirement age from 65 to 67, not what the OP posted.

Wendy wendy wendy, this is France we are talking about :) It is 60 to 62 and I suspect the French would want to only work 20 hour work weeks.

Hank

catllar
October 9th, 2010, 09:50 AM
I've lived and worked in France for 20 years now so I think I have earned the right to an opinion here. What really hacks me off about these strikes is that only a tiny proportion of the french working population are union members ( I think it's only about 5%) yet they can hold the entire country to ransom. Most French people are quite phlegmatic about strikes and will in most cases try to make alternative arrangements. It is unlikely to get ,as one poster said, UGLY.

The age is 60 to 62. Some industries retire at 55 with unbelievable benefits. I think deep down everyone knows this has to change - we are all living longer and these pensions have to be funded somehow. What is upsetting people is the cavalier way this has been presented to them . Our dear President has turned into a Napoleon!

moyaroo
October 9th, 2010, 10:49 AM
I've lived and worked in France for 20 years now so I think I have earned the right to an opinion here. What really hacks me off about these strikes is that only a tiny proportion of the french working population are union members ( I think it's only about 5%) yet they can hold the entire country to ransom. Most French people are quite phlegmatic about strikes and will in most cases try to make alternative arrangements. It is unlikely to get ,as one poster said, UGLY.

The age is 60 to 62. Some industries retire at 55 with unbelievable benefits. I think deep down everyone knows this has to change - we are all living longer and these pensions have to be funded somehow. What is upsetting people is the cavalier way this has been presented to them . Our dear President has turned into a Napoleon!

The UGLY comment was in relation to the disruption of services not any idea of fighting on the streets a la the May of 68 incident when France decided to emulate the US with student riots in the street.

As you note the French have a very good attitude about strikes in that no one gets particularly upset and goes about normally as much as possible and when not able, creates a work around. I was in France at the end of the big gasoline strike a few years ago and was amazed at how well people were coping with no petrol.

Hlitner
October 9th, 2010, 11:35 AM
It is correct that my UGLY comment had nothing to do with riots, fights, etc which is not normally a problem in France. In reality, if there ever was a real riot in France the French government would likely surrender! :) My comment meant to emphasize that the entire country of France can be held hostage to a few strikers who can quickly shut down all the public transportation and even, at times, close highways (the farmers have been known to block roads). For cruise passengers a major strike can cause very real problems such as not being able to get back to a port due to heavy traffic (caused when public transit is on strike) or a blockade of a road. There are some folks who will tell you that the French view the word "work" as a 4 letter word and the fear of having to work 2 more years, or even 1 more hour a week does generate some hostility among part of the population. We happen to love France and the culture despite the French :)

Hank

Wendy The Wanderer
October 11th, 2010, 08:44 AM
Wendy wendy wendy, this is France we are talking about :) It is 60 to 62 and I suspect the French would want to only work 20 hour work weeks.

Hank

Here's the crux of the confusion: "... But Mr Sarkozy has insisted he will not back down on raising the minimum retirement age from 60 to 62, and the age at which full benefits are paid from 65 to 67."

catllar
October 11th, 2010, 10:11 AM
It is correct that my UGLY comment had nothing to do with riots, fights, etc which is not normally a problem in France. In reality, if there ever was a real riot in France the French government would likely surrender! :) My comment meant to emphasize that the entire country of France can be held hostage to a few strikers who can quickly shut down all the public transportation and even, at times, close highways (the farmers have been known to block roads). For cruise passengers a major strike can cause very real problems such as not being able to get back to a port due to heavy traffic (caused when public transit is on strike) or a blockade of a road. There are some folks who will tell you that the French view the word "work" as a 4 letter word and the fear of having to work 2 more years, or even 1 more hour a week does generate some hostility among part of the population. We happen to love France and the culture despite the French :)

Hank


Sorry Hank - Misunderstood you there! You are right, despite the everdeepening hole in the pension funds the French will resist and take to the streets to avoid any changes , because as you said, work IS a four letter word to most, an inconvenience between weekends. What annoys me is the police's attitude to these demos. They just stand around and watch as farmers burn tyres on the highways, tractors and lorries form snail convoys and growers dump containers of rotten fruits and milk in town centres. They say if asked, they are there to prevent fights breaking out, and that is all! So that's OK then ! As someone once said ,France is a lovely country only spoiled by the presence of all the French!

ddpe
October 11th, 2010, 07:01 PM
I would like to ask everyone if they have ever lived in France or they are just repeating rhetoric to make us feel better about ourselves. I did live with a French family. Two school teachers who worked very hard. And by the way, my father-in-law and my father both retired in the US with great pensions at the age of 55 (one a police officer and one a US government worker). Stick to the way the strike will adversely affect travel please. Sorry, but I am really tired of all the anti-French rhetoric. There could be just as much anti-American rhetoric although, personally, I hope not. At least they actually care enough about the issues as opposed to American Idol or Dancing with the Stars oh or the college football poll.

Wendy The Wanderer
October 11th, 2010, 08:19 PM
Hear hear, this is not the place to take potshots at anybody, especially those living in glass houses. So let's just all give the politics a rest.

moyaroo
October 11th, 2010, 11:07 PM
Agreed the bashing is not always helpful, but part of the charm of France is the French attitude. I like that they can take things in stride. my first time to France was an absolute disaster, except everyone was dealing with the insanity. Air Contoller strike so I tained to marseille only to have a train strike on local trains, so I had to drive to Aix. All went well. Love France find the French totally amazing, but agree that they are deadly to those with Type A personalities.

TLCOhio
October 12th, 2010, 02:04 PM
From the AP newswire at 1:15 pm today, they have this headline: "French strikes disrupt life, shut Eiffel Tower" with these highlights: "A nationwide strike by major French unions canceled flights and trains and shut the Eiffel Tower Tuesday, disrupting daily life for many and putting new pressure on the government to drop a plan to raise the retirement age by two years. Unionized train and Paris public transport workers vowed to stay off the job for at least another day, and police said at least 1.2 million people marched in protests against the plan, the largest turnout in four nationwide demonstrations over the last five weeks."

From the New York Times, they have this headline: "French Strikes Disrupt Travel" with these highlights: "Unions in some sectors — including transport, ports and power — have toughened their stance, threatening to prolong the strikes. They have given local chapters the authority to decide on a daily basis whether to renew the action. Unions have also called another day of demonstrations on Saturday. Airports were predicting significant disruption to flights as air traffic controllers and Air France staff joined the walkout. At Roissy Charles de Gaulle and Beauvais airports, 30 percent of flights were expected to be canceled, and about 50 percent at Orly. Long-haul flights were expected to be maintained, however."

The full stories have many more details and are at:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iIZ9stJbSIK2tq3_6BaIvJuN_DUwD9IQ9BPG0?docId= D9IQ9BPG0
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/world/europe/13france.html?hp

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

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Queen of the Queen
October 13th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Just got finished reading an article in the Financial Times about a huge national strike scheduled for next Tuesday (Oct 12). The latest is that many labor unions are now calling this an open-ended strike which means it could go on for many days and will affect everything from transportation to electric power. This is a nasty situation as the French workers do not want to have their retirement age increased from 60 to 62. Many in France have long considered work to be a 4 letter word and enjoy their short work weeks and long holidays. This will not be a good thing for any cruiser who will be in France next week (and possibly the following week).

Hank

We will be in Monte Carlo on Tuesday, October 19 and were planning to take the bus to Eze. Will this strike impact these buses?

Thanks
Lorraine:)

catllar
October 14th, 2010, 03:11 PM
We will be in Monte Carlo on Tuesday, October 19 and were planning to take the bus to Eze. Will this strike impact these buses?

Thanks
Lorraine:)

Sadly, judging from the way things are going at the moment, it very well might, that is, if the students don't do for it!

By the way ddpe, I've lived here for over 30 years, so I feel quite well-placed to have an opinion.

TLCOhio
October 16th, 2010, 08:32 AM
Sadly, judging from the way things are going at the moment, it very well might, that is, if the students don't do for it! By the way ddpe, I've lived here for over 30 years, so I feel quite well-placed to have an opinion.

THANKS for your "on the scene" comments and updates! In reading the most current stories, it seems pretty ugly on this situation.

From the Bloomberg News/Business Week early this morning, they have this headline: "French Refineries Shut for Fifth Day Amid Protests on Pension-Age Increase" with these highlights: "France’s 12 oil refineries remained shut as unions planned a fifth day of protests to try to force President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government to drop its plans to raise the retirement age. About 230 demonstrations are planned across France today, with the main Paris march starting at 2:30 p.m. local time. Government leaders have repeatedly said they won’t back down on raising the minimum retirement age to 62 from 60, saying it’s necessary to cut losses at the state retirement system. Unions have called for another day of protests on Oct. 19, this one accompanied by the fourth national strike since September."

From Sky News within the last hour, they have this headline: "Millions To March In France As Strikes Bite" with these highlights: "Millions are expected to march in support of strikes in France that have hit rail and air transport and left rubbish piling up in city streets. Reports said main Parisian airport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle might run out of fuel, but France's ecology ministry said stocks will last until at least Tuesday. Striking refuse workers have also left piles of uncollected rubbish around the southern French port city of Marseille for the fourth consecutive day."

Full stories at:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-16/french-refineries-shut-for-fifth-day-amid-protests-on-pension-age-increase.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/France-Strikes-Flights-Grounded-Fuel-Supplies-Squeezed-And-Rubbish-Uncollected-As-Protests-Loom/Article/201010315759438?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _1&lid=ARTICLE_15759438_France_Strikes%3A_Flights_Gro unded%2C_Fuel_Supplies_Squeezed_And_Rubbish_Uncoll ected_As_Protests_Loom

Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

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donatienne
October 16th, 2010, 02:25 PM
We will be in Monte Carlo on Tuesday, October 19 and were planning to take the bus to Eze. Will this strike impact these buses?

Thanks
Lorraine:)

I live in Nice right now. After talking to a bus driver today, I am pretty sure that no bus or train will be running Tuesday, October 19. Your best bet if you want to see Eze is to get a taxi, a private guide or join a cruise excursion.

Dominique

Queen of the Queen
October 16th, 2010, 03:51 PM
I live in Nice right now. After talking to a bus driver today, I am pretty sure that no bus or train will be running Tuesday, October 19. Your best bet if you want to see Eze is to get a taxi, a private guide or join a cruise excursion.

Dominique

Hi Dominique
Thank you for the information about the lack of bus service to Eze. :mad:We are leaving tomorrow for Barcelona, and will have some time in the morning to re think what to see and do with our day in Monte Carlo. We have not been there and I am sure we can find enough to fill the day

We will just have to cruise back to the area another time for our visit to Eze.

Lorraine:)

misslissa
October 17th, 2010, 02:10 PM
I will be in Nice the week of the 24th... do you know if it will be cleared up by then?

moyaroo
October 17th, 2010, 02:29 PM
No one knows for sure. One would think that things would settle down, but it will take a few days to get back to normal as well. So . . .

TLCOhio
October 17th, 2010, 02:33 PM
I will be in Nice the week of the 24th... do you know if it will be cleared up by then?

From the Reuters newswire in the last few minutes, they have this headline: "New trucker, rail action adds to pressure on Sarkozy" with these highlights: "French truck drivers said they planned to block key roads from Sunday evening and rail unions announced new strikes from Monday, putting fresh pressure on President Nicolas Sarkozy over his unpopular pension reform. New action by truckers and rail workers, continuing strikes by refinery workers and the threat of more street marches in the drive to force Sarkozy to scrap the reform before a crucial Senate vote make this a make-or-break week for him. Petrol pumps are drying up, truckers said they would block key roads from Sunday evening, and after a day of disrupted trains, rail unions agreed new strikes on Monday that could halt two-thirds of regular trains and half the express TGV services."

From the Telegraph in London, they have this headline: "France's petrol pumps could run dry by Wednesday" with these highlights: "On Saturday, the ecology ministry warned that Roissy Charles de Gaulle, France's main international airport, could run out of fuel by tonight (MON). But yesterday Dominique Bussereau, the transport minister insisted that the supply pipeline to the airport was now working after stoppages."

Full stories at:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE69G0DI20101017
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8069518/Frances-petrol-pumps-could-run-dry-by-Wednesday.html

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TLCOhio
October 18th, 2010, 08:44 AM
From the New York Times this morning as breaking news, they have this headline: "France Asks Airlines to Cut Flights Ahead of Strikes" with these highlights: "The French civil aviation authority said on Monday it was asking airlines to cut flights into French airports by up to 50 percent on Tuesday because of possible strikes by airport personnel. The announcement intensified a mood of gathering crisis with labor unions calling for national stoppages on Tuesday as the Senate prepares to finalize a package of reforms to the retirement system proposed by President Nicolas Sarkozy. The measures, to be voted on Wednesday, would increase the minimum retirement age from 60 to 62. The civil aviation authority said France was asking airline operators to reduce flights into Orly airport outside Paris by 50 percent and by 30 percent to all other airports, raising the strong possibility that transport chaos on the highways will spread to the skies."

Full story at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/world/europe/19france.html?_r=1

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moyaroo
October 19th, 2010, 01:31 PM
It is beginning to look like May 1968 all over again :eek:

TLCOhio
October 21st, 2010, 08:06 AM
From the New York Times within the last hour, they have this headline: "Scattered Protests Still Grip France as Fuel Runs Low" with these highlights: "Maintaining his tough line, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France on Thursday warned demonstrators protesting his effort to increase the retirement age that they would not 'have the last word' and would be pursued and punished 'with no weakness' on the part of the authorities. The crisis shows little immediate sign of fizzling and a final parliamentary vote on Mr. Sarkozy’s plan to raise the minimum retirement age from 60 to 62 seemed unlikely until the middle of next week."

From the AP within the last hour, they have this headline: "Clashes, protests in French tensions over pensions" with these highlights: "Rioting youths attacked police in Lyon, protesters blockaded Marseille's airport, and Lady Gaga canceled concerts in Paris ahead of a tense Senate vote Thursday on raising the retirement age. A quarter of the nation's gas stations were out of fuel despite President Nicolas Sarkozy's orders to force open depots barricaded by striking workers. Gasoline shortages and violence on the margins of student protests have heightened the standoff between the government and labor unions who see retirement at 60 as a hard-earned right."

Full stories at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/world/europe/22france.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jHwKItnbAIyqYgOTdXgs7J7s4G0A?docId=69a62ca14 a0a41e88a69a356d50d3af8
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69K1NL20101021

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TLCOhio
October 24th, 2010, 12:15 PM
From the Telegraph in London, they have this headline: "France braces itself for another week of protests as Sarkozy believes he has turned corner" with these highlights: "All are furious at the Senate's decision to approve new pension legislation which will see the retirement age rise from 60 to 62. The reform, which was passed by the French Parliament's upper house on Friday, is part of President Nicolas Sarkozy's concerted attack on a social system which he believes has pushed the country to the verge of bankruptcy. Despite French university students planning to march on Tuesday, and trade unions calling for their seventh one-day nationwide strike on Thursday, Mr Sarkozy is convinced he has turned a corner. Although there are protests planned for this week, many commentators think half-term school holidays could suck the momentum out of Thursday's general strike. Jerome Fourquet, of polling firm IFOP, said that the passing of the pension law meant 'the end-of-match whistle is blown. The demonstrations will fade away.' "

Here is the full story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8083968/France-braces-itself-for-another-week-of-protests-as-Sarkozy-believes-he-has-turned-corner.html

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Hlitner
October 24th, 2010, 10:59 PM
Well, we started this thread in advance of the strikes and did encounter some resistance to our prediction (proven correct) that France was going to have some major disruptions. Some may want to call it anti French (we happen to love traveling in France despite some of the French) but we were trying to deal with reality. So now some wonder what will happen next and here is our take on the situation. The strikers have failed and Sarkozy has stood his ground (very rare for anyone in France to stand their ground). Since it now appears that Sarkozy has won his battle there seems little reason for the unions to continue to disrupt the country. The latest polls have Sarkozy with a popularlity rating of only 29%...but he is still the President. We would predict that things will gradually go back to normal since the big losers with these strikes are the workers. The policical ramifications in France may be the demise of Sarkozy, but only time will tell since the French have been known to change their minds in the blink of an eye.

Hank

stunnedinva
October 26th, 2010, 01:13 PM
Well, we started this thread in advance of the strikes and did encounter some resistance to our prediction (proven correct) that France was going to have some major disruptions. Some may want to call it anti French (we happen to love traveling in France despite some of the French) but we were trying to deal with reality. So now some wonder what will happen next and here is our take on the situation. The strikers have failed and Sarkozy has stood his ground (very rare for anyone in France to stand their ground). Since it now appears that Sarkozy has won his battle there seems little reason for the unions to continue to disrupt the country. The latest polls have Sarkozy with a popularlity rating of only 29%...but he is still the President. We would predict that things will gradually go back to normal since the big losers with these strikes are the workers. The policical ramifications in France may be the demise of Sarkozy, but only time will tell since the French have been known to change their minds in the blink of an eye.

Hank

from Air France's website
National industrial dispute in France on October 28.

Some air traffic controllers' trade unions will take part in the general strike launched in France on Thursday October 28.
As a result, French Civil Aviation Authorities have asked all airlines to limit the number of their flights.

Therefore we expect to operate 100% of our long-haul flights, and have to cancel some of our domestic and European flights.

We apologize for any inconvenience this situation may cause you.
We will do our utmost to inform you of flight cancellations and offer you alternative solutions where applicable, either on a flight with Air France, with KLM through Amsterdam, or with one of the SkyTeam alliance partners.

Please check your flight status before you travel to the airport.
You can find live departures and arrivals information on the homepage by clicking on « Flight and Destination information ».
You may also :
> access the flight status information on your mobile device on "mobile.airfrance.com"
> phone the Air France local call centre or travel agent
> if you are in France, call Air France on 3654

misslissa
November 1st, 2010, 07:43 AM
Flew Air France yesterday from Barcelona, connecting in CDG, home to Canada without a hitch. And, trains in Provence seem to be operating perfectly as well :)

tluckhaupt
November 1st, 2010, 09:18 PM
We will be in Villefranche on Nov 16. We planned on going via train to Nice in the morning and to Monaco by train around noon. I thought our cruise would be too late to be affected by the strike, but now I am worrying. Should We make alternate travel arrangements?

TLCOhio
November 1st, 2010, 10:19 PM
We will be in Villefranche on Nov 16. We planned on going via train to Nice in the morning and to Monaco by train around noon. I thought our cruise would be too late to be affected by the strike, but now I am worrying. Should We make alternate travel arrangements?

Hopefully things will work out fine on that date for these "local" trains. Things are starting now to return to somewhat "normal" for oil supplies, etc. Just monitor things as you get closer to your trip. You can check Google.com for their news section and check "France Strikes" to see any updates or major changes before you get there.

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

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Hlitner
November 2nd, 2010, 02:06 AM
We will be in Villefranche on Nov 16. We planned on going via train to Nice in the morning and to Monaco by train around noon. I thought our cruise would be too late to be affected by the strike, but now I am worrying. Should We make alternate travel arrangements?

There really is little you can do at this point. You really do not need to make any advance plans for using the trains (these trains are like regional commuter trains with no reservations) as you simply go to the train station and grab the next train. Another alternative are the regional buses (Ligne d'Azur) which also have two routes (a local and an express) that run between Nice (Gare Routiere Bus Station) and you could certainly take the bus if there is any issue with the trains. If there is a problem with the bus and train than you, and everyone else in the region, will have a big problem....for which there might not be a solution (a major transportation strike could also lead to blockades of some of the roads). We follow the situation in France quite closely (we did start this thread and our predictions have, so far, been pretty accurate) and it appears that things have calmed down in France. Only 8% of the French are in labor unions and at this point a large majority of the other 92% are ticked-off at the unions and their disruptions. Since the pension reform bill has passed both houses of the legislature (it still needs a Constitutional Council review) much of incentive for disruptions has ended (at least for the moment).

Hank

TLCOhio
November 2nd, 2010, 10:23 AM
There really is little you can do at this point. You really do not need to make any advance plans for using the trains (these trains are like regional commuter trains with no reservations) as you simply go to the train station and grab the next train. Another alternative are the regional buses (Ligne d'Azur) which also have two routes (a local and an express) that run between Nice (Gare Routiere Bus Station) and you could certainly take the bus if there is any issue with the trains. If there is a problem with the bus and train than you, and everyone else in the region, will have a big problem....for which there might not be a solution (a major transportation strike could also lead to blockades of some of the roads). We follow the situation in France quite closely (we did start this thread and our predictions have, so far, been pretty accurate) and it appears that things have calmed down in France. Only 8% of the French are in labor unions and at this point a large majority of the other 92% are ticked-off at the unions and their disruptions. Since the pension reform bill has passed both houses of the legislature (it still needs a Constitutional Council review) much of incentive for disruptions has ended (at least for the moment). Hank

Excellent summary and great, practical details from Hank. The headlines and video clips didn't look nice, but "real life" is working ahead. Best wishes for a great visit in France.

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

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