Quarantine compensation

[stanjj111]

Does anyone know of a written policy from HAL regarding placing person in quarantine for several days.

[bookworm0911]

I don't think there need be a written policy for every possible emergency as to what the Captain can order. The Captain's word is law while on the high seas and he/she can demand what he thinks is necessary for the safety of those on his ship.

I guess if you chose not to follow his directives, in this case remain in quarantine if ill, you could get off the ship at the next port (if that country would allow you to enter while sick) or be put in the brig until they could take you off the ship.

From your subject line of this thread I take it you may feel compensation from your cruiseline may be in order for days you were quarantined?? :confused:

[cru1s1ng]

In a perfect world, people would voluntarily not spread it around. Its called being considerate.

[sail7seas]

I'd be interested to hear why you would think a person should be compensated for remaining in their cabin and not exposing hundreds of other people to their illness.

I hope you do not take my tone to be negative. I simply am interested as to your thinking.

It is unfortunate when we become ill when traveling but why should the cruiseline pay you to remain isolated and not spreading your germs?

What are other person's thoughts on this subject?

[Kami's pal]

are that in a perfect world, the passengers would volunteer to be quarantined so that no one else would get sick. I feel guilty if I am not fast enough to cover a sneeze! I certainly would hate to know that I survived an attack of something like SARS but the doctor or nurse who cared for me died. That happened in the Toronto epidemic.

However, I also expect that the cruise line policies would be to treat all illness with the most modern efforts. That would include screening employees for communicable diseases (like TB,), making certain that all crew have up to date immunizations as part of their medical benefits, and that all crew that interact in passenger areas understand exactly why they must break the cycle of transmission ( e.g. by wearing disposable gloves between cabins).

And then, I would hope that those who were quarantined would be given the best medical treatment including testing of blood, stool, urine etc. and full disclosure to the patient through their family physician.

In my best of all possible worlds no one would be penalized for reporting an illness or needing treatment, or offering treatment, even if that meant enforcing distasteful measures such as wearing gloves, masks, or quarantine.

And I have heard of some pasengers being offered compensation for missing portions of their cruise. Is this a written policy? I think so. But there are likely conditions attached.

[Mary Ellen]

My feelings on the OP are the same as Sail's.

I then went to look at threads started by the OP. Apparently he/she/it became sick on X and has been looking for the address of RCI/X CEO. stanjj111 also wants info on other lines (threads on at least 5 boards) policies regarding quarantine compensation as apparent leverage in getting the compensation felt due.

To sum up what I've read, the responses on all boards are along with Sail's.

[shipcafe]

I'd be interested to hear why you would think a person should be compensated for remaining in their cabin and not exposing hundreds of other people to their illness.

I hope you do not take my tone to be negative. I simply am interested as to your thinking.

It is unfortunate when we become ill when traveling but why should the cruiseline pay you to remain isolated and not spreading your germs?

What are other person's thoughts on this subject?

When I got the chicken pox (at the age of 21) on board, I was quarantined to my cabin for about 7 days! It was pretty bad and I never watched so many movies multiple times in a row in my LIFE! . . . The only compensation was being able to get fresh air and see the outside world after a week! :)

[Krazy Kruizers]

I don't feel that you should be compensated if you were quarantined in your cabin for x number of days - and with the way you started this thread, it does sound like you were on those passengers who came down with the Norvo virus on a recent cruise.

That's life.

[K&RCurt]

My DS had the same virus last week. It's going around his school and the daycare where his afterscool program is located (and where DW works). He missed 2 days of school and DW missed 2 days of work.

Monday I was hit with the virus and missed a day and a half of work. Several other people at work have had the same virus over the past several weeks.

None of us expect any "compensation" for the time we spent at home due to the virus. DW does not get paid for "sick time" and we do not expect the school district or daycare to offer us compensation because some kids were sent to school while contagious.

While it is disapointing to have your vacation marred by sickness, it is not the cruise line's fault, nor do they owe anyone "compensation" for catching a virus from a fellow passenger.

[sail7seas]

Keith and Gina....


I just spoke with my (adult) niece and she told me two of her four children are recovering from NLV. Both of their schools have a number of cases.

[Orcrone]

isn't it ironic that the cruiseline will quarantine you in your room if you have a communicable disease, however, they will not give you the option of skipping the cruise without penalty.

I understand about insurance - I purchase it myself. I'm just making a point that they would rather let you get on the ship ill and possibly infect other people, instead of refunding your money so you don't bring the virus on the ship.

[RuthC]

In answer to the original question, no, I know of no written policy---which is not to say that it does not exist. I know that if I get sick while on a cruise I have to take care to get back to health ASAP, and not spread it.

I also know that if I get sick on a cruise I can't change my time sheet at work from "vacation" to "sick leave". Dem's da breaks.
Kind of like being well Monday-Friday, then getting sick on the weekend.
Life happens.

[heyabbott]

As long as the cruise line does everything possible to make sure that their employees have absolutely nothing to do with the spread of a virus, getting sick on vacation isn't something one should be compensated for. Getting sick or injured due to improper precautions or negligence by the cruiseline is just cause for compensation and damages.
The officers of the ship should be as concerned that the crew are quaratined as the infected passengers. There is no excuse for knowingly allowing a crew member suspected of having the virus from coming into contact with a passenger, another crew member, food, drink or any other pssoble source of communicating the virus.

BTW such comments as 'dems da breaks' and 'that's life' are insensitive and mean spirited.
As for changing ones time sheet while on vacation to 'sick leave', as one who needs to sign off on time sheets of my employees, I most certainly do change their leave if they get ill on vacation. I have good people that work with and for me, if they tell me they were sick, I beleive them and their leave requests are amended. Life is too short for such pettiness.

[Orcrone]

BTW such comments as 'dems da breaks' and 'that's life' are insensitive and mean spirited.Having read Ruth's posts for a while I doubt there was any mean-spirt intention behind it. She was just commenting that stuff happens which is beyond anyone's control, and you can't always hold someone else accountable for it.

It's admirable that you allow employees to change their status from vacation to sick, but it still doesn't change the fact that they didn't fully enjoy their vacation due to illness. It was just an unfortunate break on their part. And that's what Ruth was trying to say.

[heyabbott]

Having read Ruth's posts for a while I doubt there was any mean-spirt intention behind it. She was just commenting that stuff happens which is beyond anyone's control, and you can't always hold someone else accountable for it.

It's admirable that you allow employees to change their status from vacation to sick, but it still doesn't change the fact that they didn't fully enjoy their vacation due to illness. It was just an unfortunate break on their part. And that's what Ruth was trying to say.

As long as it was unfortunate and the cruise line is without fault in the spreading of the virus, there is no reason that the line should be held responsible, financially. Flying home with a contagious virus also would be inappropriate.

I have a great respect for the people I work with and showing common courtesy to them is the least that I can do. We should all extend such courtesy to others and not make light of the plight of others, which is my perception of the posts with flipant remarks about the circumstances of others.

[bepsf]

Perhaps the OP should track down the individual who came aboard their cruise w/ Norovirus and demand compensation from them.

:rolleyes:

Getting sick on vacation is nobody's idea of fun and it would absolutely tick me off to no end, but it happens. Nobody gets lawsuit-happy about being seasick - but you're sick, miserable and stuck in your stateroom just the same.

Life happens - get over it.

[dakrewser]

I have a great respect for the people I work with and showing common courtesy to them is the least that I can do. We should all extend such courtesy to others and not make light of the plight of others, which is my perception of the posts with flipant remarks about the circumstances of others.

Now let's all virtually join hands and sing an electronic version of Kumbaya, shall we?

I haven't known Ruth for long, maybe 6 months since I joined this board, but she hasn't ever shown a mean streak or an evil side (except, of course, when she tempts us with chocolate). She's also, it seems to me, patiently answered your newbie questions on more than one occasion. Biting the hand that feeds you has never, as far as I know, come under the rubric of "common courtesy"...

[xpcdoojk]

Perhaps the OP should track down the individual who came aboard their cruise w/ Norovirus and demand compensation from them.

:rolleyes:

Getting sick on vacation is nobody's idea of fun and it would absolutely tick me off to no end, but it happens. Nobody gets lawsuit-happy about being seasick - but you're sick, miserable and stuck in your stateroom just the same.

Life happens - get over it.

Heyabbott, ditto to what Brian and Ruth said.... call me flippant and insensitive I don't really care. :p :D

jc

[sail7seas]

isn't it ironic that the cruiseline will quarantine you in your room if you have a communicable disease, however, they will not give you the option of skipping the cruise without penalty. I understand about insurance - I purchase it myself. I'm just making a point that they would rather let you get on the ship ill and possibly infect other people, instead of refunding your money so you don't bring the virus on the ship.



EVERY passenger arriving at Veendam for embarkation was given a letter advising them that on the previous cruise, there had been NLV aboard the ship. EVERY passenger was offered the chance to not board and receive a full refund. This letter said that HAL would assist anyone who needed help in arranging travel back to their homes.

I have a copy of that notice. We remained in Tampa post cruise and walked from our hotel to the port to see the lucky 'newly arriving cruisers' and picked up a copy of the letter that was being handed out.

Let's be fair here.

[heyabbott]

Now let's all virtually join hands and sing an electronic version of Kumbaya, shall we?

I haven't known Ruth for long, maybe 6 months since I joined this board, but she hasn't ever shown a mean streak or an evil side (except, of course, when she tempts us with chocolate). She's also, it seems to me, patiently answered your newbie questions on more than one occasion. Biting the hand that feeds you has never, as far as I know, come under the rubric of "common courtesy"...

Well then, have a drink on me.

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[ekerr19]

Boy, isn't that the mature response? As dave points out, many people on this board have gone out of their way to help you - and how do you respond? With criticism and cynicism and insults.

You haven't even taken your first HAL cruise yet, but you already accuse all of us of being shills, KoolAid lovers, etc.

Why not wait until you return, perhaps then you will be able to post something factual... :)

[Pete Jackson]

When I had the flu on Veendam a number of years ago, the doctor told me to stay on the open parts of the Lido deck (this was a Caribbean cruise) when I wasn't in the cabin. This wasn't too bad, just resting all day watching the sky and sea go by.

Of course, this isn't quite a safe as cabin quarantine since one has to use corridors briefly to go back and forth, but it wouldn't hurt to ask the Doctor if this was OK. The advantage was that any bugs I exhaled would go overboard rather than into the cabin, and it ceretainly was better for my cabin partner.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I find it absolutely fascinating that someone can come on here and use the word "insensitive" and "mean spirited" with regard to someone basically saying "that's life" (which it is) and then stick that charmingly delightful "kool aid" signature on their post.

..... which is actually beyond insensitive.

[Pete Jackson]

This site has an 'ignore' feature that allows you to not see posts from certain posters. Just click on their name, select their profile, and a link will appear: "add xxx to your ignore list". Simple as that. No more Kool Aid signatures!

[Kate-AHF]

This is what I find interesting. The CDC site states that while most people shed the NVL virus for 3 days after cessation of symptoms, SOME PEOPLE can shed the virus for up to three weeks.

Here's my point: How many of us would think we are still contagious after we feel better? More importantly, how many of us could even CONCEIVE of being contagious two weeks after they've had the flu? How many people are going to even think about canceling their cruise three weeks after they've been sick? Answer: They are not. All they are thinking about is how glad they are that this happened before their cruise, not during.

Even more to the point - most people are not still shedding. How do you decide? What the heck do you do if you are the cruise line? Well, you are VERY careful with your sick employees. But other than that...I'm out of ideas.

[Orcrone]

EVERY passenger arriving at Veendam for embarkation was given a letter advising them that on the previous cruise, there had been NLV aboard the ship. EVERY passenger was offered the chance to not board and receive a full refund. This letter said that HAL would assist anyone who needed help in arranging travel back to their homes.

I have a copy of that notice. We remained in Tampa post cruise and walked from our hotel to the port to see the lucky 'newly arriving cruisers' and picked up a copy of the letter that was being handed out.

Let's be fair here. S7S,

Thanks for educating me on their policy. I was not trying to be unfair. There is so much information on this board that I assume that nothing goes unspoken. I guess this was something that was not posted, or I just missed it. Either way, since I didn't hear about it I didn't realize they did that.

I think I've posted here enough for people to realize that I'll speak up when I don't think something is handled correctly, but will also give praise when praise is due.:) In this case HAL deserves kudos for their handling of the situation.

[sail7seas]

Orcrone....


I apologize for 'my tone'. I did not mean to imply you would ever intentionally give the wrong impression or incorrect information. I do not think you would. I always appreciate and enjoy all of your posts.

I only intended to give 'the fuller picture'. DH and I were very impressed that every word of the notice they handed out that day to embarking passenger (a full 8 1/2 x 11" sheet) was exactly accurate. There was nothing on the page that we disagreed with.

I do recall that I posted about the offer for full refund but my comments re: Veendam were lengthy and it was certainly very easy to miss.

They even told pax to get a receipt from any restaurant they visited to eat lunch, and they would be reimbursed up to $10 pp for that lunch.

[Orcrone]

Orcrone....


I apologize for 'my tone'. I did not mean to imply you would ever intentionally give the wrong impression or incorrect information. I do not think you would. I always appreciate and enjoy all of your posts.

I only intended to give 'the fuller picture'. DH and I were very impressed that every word of the notice they handed out that day to embarking passenger (a full 8 1/2 x 11" sheet) was exactly accurate. There was nothing on the page that we disagreed with.

I do recall that I posted about the offer for full refund but my comments re: Veendam were lengthy and it was certainly very easy to miss.

They even told pax to get a receipt from any restaurant they visited to eat lunch, and they would be reimbursed up to $10 pp for that lunch. Sail,

No offense taken. I'm genuinely glad they handled it correctly. I could very easily have missed your comments. I was extremely busy for a couple of weeks and didn't visit the boards too often during that time. In fact, I'm now trying to play catch-up with Grumpy and Slinkie's World Cruise (I'm up to late January).