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sthrnbll
June 19th, 2011, 04:17 PM
My daughter really wants to go on one but my dad usually goes and that is really all he does.

Shmoo here
June 19th, 2011, 04:43 PM
My daughter really wants to go on one but my dad usually goes and that is really all he does.

No.

:)

Frenchsnowhite
June 19th, 2011, 06:49 PM
That is in part why a Disney cruise is more expensive, no casino...

ducklite
June 19th, 2011, 08:04 PM
No casino, but if you cruise on an Eastern Caribbean, he can gamble in the casino in St. Maarten.

WeLoveDisneyAlways
June 19th, 2011, 08:39 PM
There's also a casino in Atlantis in the Bahamas. Great family destination.

hexdragon
June 20th, 2011, 07:43 AM
A casino on Disney property???? yeah, right... remember, Disney = Family ;)

DisneyKidsDad
June 20th, 2011, 09:17 AM
A casino on Disney property???? yeah, right... remember, Disney = Family ;)

But if the day ever comes when Florida allows casino gambling, you can bet every Disney ship will have a casino. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney didn't already have all the equipment and plans to where they would go.

WeLoveDisneyAlways
June 20th, 2011, 09:33 AM
But if the day ever comes when Florida allows casino gambling, you can bet every Disney ship will have a casino. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney didn't already have all the equipment and plans to where they would go.

The dream is licenced and owned in the Bahamas I'm not sure about the other ships

keishashadow
June 20th, 2011, 10:47 AM
DCL has plenty of gambling opportunites

B-I-N-G-O:rolleyes:lots of it

I wish they'd just be upfront about it and convert a small portion of the ship & throw in some slot machines, but as mentioned above, easy enough to find a casino in nassau.

DisneyKidsDad
June 20th, 2011, 11:17 AM
The dream is licenced and owned in the Bahamas I'm not sure about the other ships

That has nothing to do with why Disney doesn't have casinos on their ships. Disney has been fighting to keep casinos out of Florida because they don't want people spending money anywhere other than their parks.

WeLoveDisneyAlways
June 20th, 2011, 11:22 AM
That has nothing to do with why Disney doesn't have casinos on their ships. Disney has been fighting to keep casinos out of Florida because they don't want people spending money anywhere other than their parks.

I was pointing out that Florida laws have nothing to do with Disney cruises they are not operated or licenced out of Florida. I dont think disney is boycotting casinos, that makes no sense Disney and their billions could own and operate their own casinos under a different entity and make even more billions

ducklite
June 20th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Florida will very likely allow non-reservation casino gaming by the end of the year. There is legislation that has passed both the house and senate in slightly different forms that will allow for it. I suspect that it will be on Rick Scott's desk to sign by the end of September. Somehow I don't think we'll see casino gaming spring up on Disney properties in the foreseeable future.

I don't know of any ships that keep the casinos open while in port, so really that entire argument is moot.

Regardless of where a ship is flagged, it can operate casinos once it's in international waters, so Florida law had absolutely nothing to do with Disney's decision to not have a casino onboard. Bottom line, DCL has structured it's product to be profitable without gaming. I highly doubt that will ever change, unless they see a sudden drop in occupancy and research suggests that an overwhelming majority of people aren't cruising DCL due to a lack of a casino--somehow I highly doubt that would ever be the rationale for choosing a different line.

flynnsport
June 20th, 2011, 11:57 AM
i do find it a bit odd that disney has bingo...which appears to be held several times a day and quite pricey, but no casino...would be nice to have a few card tables in the district "adults only area".

hexdragon
June 20th, 2011, 12:15 PM
Disney's whole "Brand" is Family Fun. Casinos tend to clash with this. If a casino opened on a Disney property Walt would start spinning in his grave (or cryo chamber???)

DisneyKidsDad
June 20th, 2011, 12:47 PM
I could see it now...inside Splash Mountain would be Cash Mountain. Pirates of the Caribbean could have Captain Jack's Blackjack. Cinderella's Slots. Castle Keno. :D

babyher
June 20th, 2011, 01:45 PM
I could see it now...inside Splash Mountain would be Cash Mountain. Pirates of the Caribbean could have Captain Jack's Blackjack. Cinderella's Slots. Castle Keno. :D



Cinderella 's Slots ???????????????


Sounds like old Walt is getting into the Flesh trade as well as Casino Gambling.

mdvlprof
June 20th, 2011, 05:22 PM
:eek: :D:D

theshowmestate
June 22nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
The lack of casinos on the DCL ships is the big draw for me. Keeps it a family environment and the party crowds off the ships.

dahuffy
June 25th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Keeps the party crowds off the ships.

Exactly!

S.S.Oceanlover
June 26th, 2011, 01:27 PM
The lack of casinos on the DCL ships is the big draw for me. Keeps it a family environment and the party crowds off the ships.

I have heard about those wild party crowds on Holland America and Princess ships.Boy does it get wild on those ships with the casinos.

Bill

DISNEY FANTASY
June 26th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Back to the OP Question,

We have established that DCL ships do not have a Casino, so the question is is this a deal breaker?

There is so so much to do on a Disney ship, the best cruise entertainment, some of the best cruise food, Palo, Remy, Films, Castaway Cay, it would be a shame not to try it once, just because there isn't a Casino and one person would want it.

Personally I would find it hard to imagine anyone not finding something, the liked on the ship.

I would be up front no Casino, (bingo isn't anything close), and go for a different experience and promise a Casino next time ,if they do not enjoy it.

(Bet they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

luvpug
July 1st, 2011, 02:50 PM
It does seem a bit hypocritical of Disney not to have a casino in order to keep their ships “family oriented,” yet they have an abundance of bars. I guess it is ok for kids to see people drinking, but not people gambling.

ducklite
July 1st, 2011, 02:59 PM
It does seem a bit hypocritical of Disney not to have a casino in order to keep their ships “family oriented,” yet they have an abundance of bars. I guess it is ok for kids to see people drinking, but not people gambling.

Actually DCL doesn't lack casinos to keep the ships family oriented, but rather they chose to commit the space that would be used for casinos to their kids clubs.

Host Mick
July 3rd, 2011, 12:50 AM
It does seem a bit hypocritical of Disney not to have a casino in order to keep their ships “family oriented,” yet they have an abundance of bars. I guess it is ok for kids to see people drinking, but not people gambling.

They may be hypocritical but they're not stupid.

Host Mick
July 3rd, 2011, 11:47 PM
Actually DCL doesn't lack casinos to keep the ships family oriented, but rather they chose to commit the space that would be used for casinos to their kids clubs.

On the Magic and Wonder, the architect drew in a casino. DCL nixed it and the space became the improv club on Route 66/Beat St.

cruising3times
July 8th, 2011, 08:11 AM
But if the day ever comes when Florida allows casino gambling, you can bet every Disney ship will have a casino. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney didn't already have all the equipment and plans to where they would go.

Florida has casino gambling.

keishashadow
July 11th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Back to the OP Question,

We have established that DCL ships do not have a Casino, so the question is is this a deal breaker?

There is so so much to do on a Disney ship, the best cruise entertainment, some of the best cruise food, Palo, Remy, Films, Castaway Cay, it would be a shame not to try it once, just because there isn't a Casino and one person would want it.

Personally I would find it hard to imagine anyone not finding something, the liked on the ship.

I would be up front no Casino, (bingo isn't anything close), and go for a different experience and promise a Casino next time ,if they do not enjoy it.

(Bet they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

fyi, there are many fervid fans of disney who are strict christian fundamentalists (of which i am NOT one) and any form of gambling/drinking is taboo. Not sure if that would exclude DCL.:confused:.

in PA bingo for profit is licensed by the state it is a game of chance = gambling. Same as being pregnant, it's all or nothing:p

re comment as to lack of casino on DCL ships detering the party crowd...the higher cost likely accomplishes that (works for me) and the fear of too many kids underfoot.

I will state, that having moonlighted as a bartender for many years, I'm a pretty good judge of who can & cannot hold their liquor. The sloppiest drunks i've seen are aboard DCL ships. I chalk it up to it being 'amatuer hour' & 1st time cruisers who might not be aware that booze doesn't always mix well w/sea sick patches & hot tropical sun.

Bogeyguy
March 3rd, 2012, 02:42 PM
The only money flowing on a Disney cruise is into their fat pockets.

Shmoo here
March 3rd, 2012, 03:05 PM
The only money flowing on a Disney cruise is into their fat pockets.

Why was it necessary to resurrect a thread that no one has posted to in over 6 months? :rolleyes:

Can you say pot-stirrer?

:)

OceanLiner
March 3rd, 2012, 03:10 PM
The only money flowing on a Disney cruise is into their fat pockets.

To my knowledge they don't force anyone to buy their product, and I hope that their pockets stay fat so that they can continue to provide their product.

Host Mick
March 3rd, 2012, 04:04 PM
The only money flowing on a Disney cruise is into their fat pockets.

That's a very pithy summary of a successful business model.

alinnj
March 3rd, 2012, 06:55 PM
To my knowledge they don't force anyone to buy their product, and I hope that their pockets stay fat so that they can continue to provide their product.


I agree Disney can take the extra money from me that I would have gambled on another ship. Usually close to $1000 :eek: I consider it a donation and love doing it! My next donation will be in December. I do love the free soda included in the cruis price as I don't drink :D

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rrfsteve
March 5th, 2012, 03:27 PM
The dream is licenced and owned in the Bahamas I'm not sure about the other ships

The Disney ships are owned by a UK company (called something like Magical Vacations Ltd or such like), this is beneficial for Lloyds registration. The major shareholder in this company is Disney Vacations (or such like). The ship's are flagged by the Bahamas due to their lax laws and low fees.

In terms of who owns the ships - that is something Disney is quite tight-lipped about. I would imagine that they will be fully guaranteed by a number of Disney affiliates, likely to be based off shore somewhere.

In terms of why there is no casino - it is a gimmick. It is a way to sell cruises - "look how wholesome we are... we don't even have a casino", note the sarcasm. DCL did do some market research a fey years back when planning the new ships regarding casinos and gambling. It was deemed important not to have casinos onboard.

I like a trip to a casino, however, I am no big gambler. I think that other lines do rely on casino games as both an earner and entertainment. DCL has good entertainment for most of the day - so much so that I believe that your father would not miss the casino.

DisneyKidsDad
March 5th, 2012, 03:47 PM
Florida has casino gambling.

That's funny...where are the casinos? And how come you never see them advertised on TV or in magazines?

war_eagle99
March 6th, 2012, 01:03 PM
That's funny...where are the casinos? And how come you never see them advertised on TV or in magazines?

I've been to a Hard Rock Casino in Florida... it was terrible. They make you pay for drinks even when you are gambling.

It was in Tampa FYI and there is another one in Hollywood, FL

zenjenn
March 6th, 2012, 01:25 PM
Frankly, I am glad. I'm not opposed to responsible adults gambling for entertainment purposes, but there are a lot of people who do NOT responsibly gamble, and there is an ambiance created by the presence of slot machine zombies that I'd rather not have present on a Disney ship.

KDilly
March 9th, 2012, 04:37 PM
I've been to a Hard Rock Casino in Florida... it was terrible. They make you pay for drinks even when you are gambling.

It was in Tampa FYI and there is another one in Hollywood, FL

After Vegas I was shocked when the waitress asked me for $8 for my drink...

-KD

mdvlprof
March 10th, 2012, 08:59 AM
I like the fact that there are NO casinos on DCL. They can be smoky and dark.
I don't like crossing thru them. And have to, because that is often the wheelchair-accessible route [without going up several decks on the elevator, and folks can be pushy about getting on elevators].

castoff50
March 11th, 2012, 08:28 PM
I won $1200.00 playing BINGO on Wonder a few years age. I've never won that much in a casino.

ducklite
March 11th, 2012, 08:44 PM
That's funny...where are the casinos? And how come you never see them advertised on TV or in magazines?

You see them advertised all the time when you live here.

Conversely, how come I never see the Atlantic City casinos advertised in Florida on TV or in magazines? I'll bet many Floridians have no idea there are casinos outside of Florida, Vegas, and maybe Biloxi.

When I lived in NJ, I never saw the New York State casinos advertised.

Just because you don't see them advertised, it doesn't mean they aren't there.

There are over 50 places to legally gamble (poker, card rooms, slots, etc.) in Florida, including the Seminole facilities, dog tracks, jai lai frontons, and more.

PopFla
March 11th, 2012, 09:37 PM
And just an FYI...

Who do you suppose is the largest opponent of several proposals over the past few years to greatly expand casino gambling in Florida ?

Here's a hint... it rhymes with "Wisney".

Personally, the absence of casinos is the #1 reason why we have chosen DCL for six cruises, with a seventh already booked. Just our personal preference. I've got nothing against casinos, they're just not my cup of tea. :cool:

Host Mick
March 12th, 2012, 12:44 AM
Frankly, I am glad. I'm not opposed to responsible adults gambling for entertainment purposes, but there are a lot of people who do NOT responsibly gamble, and there is an ambiance created by the presence of slot machine zombies that I'd rather not have present on a Disney ship.

The Disney Magic was supposed to have a casino when the naval architects first presented their designs to Disney. Eisner's team quickly deleted it from the plans. That space turned into the Improv club and is now Diversions. The slot machine zombies would have been tucked away in a corner of Beat St.

alaska_planner
March 13th, 2012, 04:35 PM
I have heard about those wild party crowds on Holland America and Princess ships.Boy does it get wild on those ships with the casinos.

Bill

exactly!!

It does seem a bit hypocritical of Disney not to have a casino in order to keep their ships “family oriented,” yet they have an abundance of bars. I guess it is ok for kids to see people drinking, but not people gambling.

i find drinking a whole lot more offensive than the little shipboard casinos..
i've rarely seen people as fall down drunk as i did on the two disney cruises we were on...and worse, many of them were holding the child club buzzers in their hands as they were falling all over themselves....pretty horrifying to think they were on their way to pick up children in that condition..:eek: :eek:

PopFla
March 14th, 2012, 09:46 AM
In six cruises, including two 7-nighters (28 nights total), aboard various DCL ships we've never seen anyone sloppy, falling-down drunk. Somewhat buzzed, yes... but obnoxiously embarassingly drunk, never.

alaska_planner
March 14th, 2012, 11:15 AM
In six cruises, including two 7-nighters (28 nights total), aboard various DCL ships we've never seen anyone sloppy, falling-down drunk. Somewhat buzzed, yes... but obnoxiously embarassingly drunk, never.

the worst incident involved two couples who were as drunk as a person can be without going comatose...
they were very loud and very obnoxious drunks who heckled incoherently (but very loudly) throughout the dueling pianos show....
it was embarrassing, but actually became quite frightening as they became louder and more belligerent....
and the entire time, their child club beepers kept going off....
one wonders if they ever made it to the child club to pick up their kids (hopefully not, as in their condition, their children would have been in danger)..

Canadian Karebear
March 16th, 2012, 01:07 PM
the worst incident involved two couples who were as drunk as a person can be without going comatose...
they were very loud and very obnoxious drunks who heckled incoherently (but very loudly) throughout the dueling pianos show....
it was embarrassing, but actually became quite frightening as they became louder and more belligerent....
and the entire time, their child club beepers kept going off....
one wonders if they ever made it to the child club to pick up their kids (hopefully not, as in their condition, their children would have been in danger)..

I had to sit in front of those same types with their kids on an airplane. They are everywhere. They were obnoxious to the flight attendant (who was homosexual and they knew it), they were loud and the attendants stopped giving them alcohol. I'm pretty sure they were headed onto a Cruise afterwards (from overhearing). The kids were really embarrassed.

Having said that, never seen someone that drunk on a Disney Cruise. I also didn't see anyone overly drunk on the MSC Cruise we just sailed on and the Casino was almost always empty.

Host Mick
March 19th, 2012, 01:32 PM
And just an FYI...

Who do you suppose is the largest opponent of several proposals over the past few years to greatly expand casino gambling in Florida ?

Here's a hint... it rhymes with "Wisney".

Personally, the absence of casinos is the #1 reason why we have chosen DCL for six cruises, with a seventh already booked. Just our personal preference. I've got nothing against casinos, they're just not my cup of tea. :cool:

Note this article in the Financial Times about a Malaysian Casino company wanting to move into Miami. One of the backers of the anti-casino group is... oh, I'll just let you be surprised:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3e72fe34-6d12-11e1-ab1a-00144feab49a.html#axzz1paJNo1bU

PopFla
March 19th, 2012, 10:03 PM
Note this article in the Financial Times about a Malaysian Casino company wanting to move into Miami. One of the backers of the anti-casino group is... oh, I'll just let you be surprised:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3e72fe34-6d12-11e1-ab1a-00144feab49a.html#axzz1paJNo1bU

Told ya so ! ;)

Host Mick
March 20th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Told ya so ! ;)

That's why I dug up your post. I thought of this post when I was reading that article.

And you thought that I don't pay attention!

Canadian Karebear
March 22nd, 2012, 12:16 PM
I have heard about those wild party crowds on Holland America and Princess ships.Boy does it get wild on those ships with the casinos.

Bill

I'm not sure if Casino's have much to do with that really. We were on the MSC Poesia that had a huge casino and it was empty most of the time. People were definitely drinking and having fun, just not all gambling.
I think it's the stigma attached to the line that makes the "partiers" go to those ships.