Bami, or Nasi?

[Vic The Parrot]

Okay kids....


Thought I'd get some feedback from all of ya on this.
I LOVE Bami Goreng, and the Nasi was good as well.

BUT .... it didn't feel the same in alot of ways.
Texture, flavour, ingredients, etc.

Don't get me wrong .... I like rice, but it didn't do it for me
in that particular dish.


So, how many would want to see the 'original' , Bami Goreng on the dinner menu?

[GottaLuvCruising]

Never heard of either. (I'm guessing you expected that?)

[gizmo]

I voted for the Bami Goreng. I had the Nasi once, and it was ok, but rice is not on the top of my favorite foods list.

[trubey]

I didn't vote. I think that ALL Asian food should be fresh-cooked and served immediately. If it sits, it loses something the Chinese seem to call 'wok essence' - maybe 'chi' would describe it better. If the choice is stir-fry in a steam table, give me a ham sandwich please, lettuce and mayonnaise.

Lane

[Roz]

I like both, but was very disappointed when Bami Goreng was taken off the menu. Bami is my first choice, Nasi my second.

Lane, the Indonesian food I've eaten at dinner always tasted fresh cooked to me. Not tableside fresh cooked, but fresh. I would take Bami Goreng over a ham sandwich any day!

Roz

[elmorejj]

I love Bami Goreng and was dissapointed when Dutch Night was discontinued as I always had a side order of Bami along with my Dover Sole. Even on the day when the Indonesian lunch is served in the lido, they hardly ever have bami............jean :cool:

[sail7seas]

I love the bami goreng and was so happy to see it on the menu during our recent Veendam cruise. I don't care for the rice version nearly as well.

[trubey]

I guess it must have been my luck! Mine was a gucky, gluey lukewarm mess! I'll try it again, and if I don't like it, hey; there's always a ham sandwich!

Lane

[stanford's girl]

I do hope they have it on the Oosterdam in Oct. After my post "Bami Goreng?", you all made it sound so good that I feel it is a must have. I copied the recipe so I can try to make it myself. Thanks to s7s? for posting it.:)

[dougnewmanatsea]

I like both, but bami goreng gets my vote.

I do wish they'd bring back Dutch Night. Pea soup, bami goreng, Dover Sole, and apple tart - mmm... :)

[bobpatj]

On our Amsterdam cruise in January, we had Dutch Night. There were no hats, though, and another soup was on the menu - the wonderful pea soup was served on deck on one of our "scenic cruising" days.

[dougnewmanatsea]

On our Amsterdam cruise in January, we had Dutch Night. There were no hats, though, and another soup was on the menu - the wonderful pea soup was served on deck on one of our "scenic cruising" days.
This is interesting news. I wonder if Dutch Night is being resurrected? I would certainly welcome it. (And I wouldn't miss the hats.)

Pity that the pea soup wasn't included on that menu though. Why can't they serve it on deck and at dinner ;) ?

[Vic The Parrot]

This is interesting news. I wonder if Dutch Night is being resurrected? I would certainly welcome it. (And I wouldn't miss the hats.)

Pity that the pea soup wasn't included on that menu though. Why can't they serve it on deck and at dinner ;) ?



Now that you guys mention it, I wonder what DID happen to Dutch night?? I actually remember that pea soup, and it was good!
Along with another soup they offered .... had spinach (I think)
and tiny meatballs in it. FANTASTIC!!!

I seem to recall a thread regarding the phasing out of Dutch night somewhere on this board. All because a few decided that ethnic meals shouldn't be served on ships.

[Vic The Parrot]

Only 20 votes???

What happened to all the other HAL folk who love Bami?

[Ine]

Other folks found the recipe for the Bami or nassi goreng and ...are making it themselves at home maybe?

[Vic The Parrot]

Other folks found the recipe for the Bami or nassi goreng and ...are making it themselves at home maybe?



Figures!


LOL

[K&RCurt]

Voted for both as I'm all for choice, however I really liked the Bami.



When we were on the Westerdam in January they had the Bami Goreng and Pea Soup (Which is my absolute favorite soup but DW & the kids protest when I make it), but no reference to "Dutch Night". Dutch Night was something we wee looking forward to previous to our cruise, based on reading these boards. We were dissapointed that it was apparently eliminated a few weeks before our cruise.

[TexEm]

We had Dutch night on our Prinsendam cruise 3 weeks ago from FLL to Barcelona, complete with Dutch hats for the women and the men. I'll have to ask my mom what they served that night that was particularly "Dutch"--short term memory loss here--it was one of our "informal" nights, lots of fun. I'm sure they had pea soup.

Didn't answer the poll because I can't remember tasting either of the dishes.

Lane--my inlaws are Chinese (from the Guangzhou area) and they now live in Las Vegas and eat at the Chinese buffets all the time and enjoy them. Of course, they tend to go back to the same one(s) once they find a good one (that keeps the food as fresh as can be). I'll have to ask my MIL about "wok essence"--that's a new one for me (have only been married to DH for 34 years). ( Hey, is Susan working her way through the books and magazines we left in Ponta Delgada for her?)

Mary

[Time2sail]

We had the hats, pea soup, (?) goreng and apple pie on the Amsterdam during our Alaskan cruise--I believe it was on Wednesday night. The goreng was served during lunch at the Lido the next day so that was when I tried it--there were two large crispy noodles (?), chicken on a stick, something that resembled rice and looked like pork mixed with (?) that was spicy and a meatball. Not very tasty so I got a salad and sandwich--probably leftovers or had been cooked much earlier in the day.

The lady's hat was not decorated. Had I not read the CC board I would not have known much about it. We wore them during dinner and many people wore them throughout the evening on the ship.

[Krazy Kruizers]

On our last number of cruises, the Nasi Goreng was offered for dinner one evening during the middle of the cruise.


The Nasi Goreng was usually offered for lunch the last day of the cruise when most people were ashore - like Key West - Nassau.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Also meant to say that I voted for Bami Goreng for both of us - we prefer the noddles rather than the rice.

[CINCY40]

I really enjoyed the noodles on three cruises. Last time we sailed HAL there was no Dutch night.

Nancy

[peaches from georgia]

Only Nasi Goreng was offered on the Volendam in April. However, we did have Dutch Night, so if it is cancelled on some ships, it is not discontinued on all.

[brego]

We did not have Dutch night on our March 26 Zaandam cruise. It was a great disappointment to us as we lived in the Netherlands for several years and look forward to the Dutch traditions on HAL. When we inquired we were told that Duth night and many of the other traditions had been done away with due to passenger complaints. It was suggested to us that we write to corporate offices and ask that these traditions be reinstated as the policity is currently under review.

[obriendan]

For those, like me, who are'nt familiar with these dishes even after several HAL cruises, here are descriptions of them from my DK guide to Holland:


http://boards.cruisecritic.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9167&stc=1http://boards.cruisecritic.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9168&stc=1

[bepsf]

"You say Nasi, and I say Bami!

Let's call the whole thing off!!!"

(My apologies to Cole Porter, wherever he is....)
:D

[Copper10-8]

I guess I'm in the minority here, Vic. Nasi goreng with sate ayam and peanut sauce will make my day (lunch or dinner). Good stuff! terima kasih banyak

[PRINSENDAM]

I prefer the Nasi Goreng to the Bami... but like both. Nasi is best with LOTS of peanut sauce and a big greasy fried egg on top!!!!

Many years ago I made up my own version on Nasi... "boiled rice with an egg and melted peanut butter". Enough to gag a maggot! I stick to the recipe now.

Dutch theme dinner, like bread & butter pudding, captains' welcome aboard party, baked Alaska etc are all cruising institutions. No matter how much we have 'been there and done that' it is always fun... especially for the first timers. We can get a bit jaded, but we shouldn't take away those things from those first time passengers who have yet to enjoy.

Stephen

[bepsf]

Tobbekvinna--


You've just reminded me how much I enjoyed the Soto Ayam!!!
I can just smell it in my mind - guess I'll have to go try the local Indonesian restaurant this weekend!
:)

[cruisinjudy]

On Oosterdam in May we had Nasi Gorang and pea soup, but no dutch hats. I never tried the Bami gorang so I didn't vote.

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=tobbekvinna]
I would have liked to try the ristajfell if I had someone to share with, QUOTE]


You can't beat a good rijstafel!!!!!! I would like to see all the Pinnacle Grills converted into traditional Indonesian restaurants.... perhaps adding a selection of Dutch dishes for good measure. ....


Hollandse Snert (Green Pea Soup)
Roast beef _ Hollandse Biefstuk" with potatoes and "Blote Billetjes In Het Groen" aka "Bare Little Bums in the Grass"!!!)
Roast Duck with Curacao Suce
Boerenkool Stamppot
Gouda sole with mushrooms and grapes
Dutch pancakes with pears and chocolate

Pinnacle Grill makes a good steak... but a good steak is just a good steak. You can get them anywhere. I'd like to see Pinnacle Gills turning out something a bit more adventureous. A good portion of Boerenkool stamppot of a rijstafel is worth more than $20. I'd gladly pay the extra!

Stephen

[bepsf]

I tried one of your locals. I don't remember which one I went to. On the street where there are two (short walk from Nob Hill Hotel), I went to the one on the right (the dingier looking one).

The nasi goreng is close to HAL's kind and not one I am used to. I asked them to make it a certain way (a version with shrimp paste) and it came out a mess. They were Chinese Indonesians running that shop, so I attributed it to that. BUT, whe had the sate plate (beef, chicken, lamb) and it was good. Asked for extra peanut sauce (YUM). Also got a side of krupuk (again, peanut sauce; YUM). I would see if they have a version of a coconut scented yellow rice because if I remember correctly, their potato croquette (pergedel) was pretty good.
I would have liked to try the ristajfell if I had someone to share with, but my sister insisted on having nasi goreng and she was sorely disappointed (even though I told her it wouldn't come out like dad's!)

(I thought HAL's soto ayam was like a watered down chicken soup. Soto ayam is suppose to be a very savory broth--the instant one I recommended comes close, it at least has the "taste," which HAL's is missing--deep friend chicken bits, glass noodles, cabbage, bean sprouts, hard boiled egg, and fresh fried potato chips with a healthy spritz of fresh lemon. Basically, the broth would be hot and poured over a mound of the raw veggies to keep a nice crunch. And you'd top with the chips like you do oyster crackers.)

I think I know which one you're talking about - there's that one and Borobodur (i think is how it's spelled)

Well, I'll give the better looking one a try and let you know...
;)

[Copper10-8]

[QUOTE=tobbekvinna]Pinnacle Grill makes a good steak... but a good steak is just a good steak. You can get them anywhere. I'd like to see Pinnacle Gills turning out something a bit more adventureous. A good portion of Boerenkool stamppot of a rijstafel is worth more than $20. I'd gladly pay the extra! Stephen

Very interesting thought Stephen! Don't know if it's ever going to happen and I wonder if it would become real popular with American guests but I would spend more than $20 on a good Dutch and/or Indonesian meal in the Pinnacle

PS

Je Hollands schrijven is uitstekend en zonder fouten! Ben je er geboren mischien?

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=PRINSENDAM]



Je Hollands schrijven is uitstekend en zonder fouten! Ben je er geboren mischien?


Dank u! ;) No, I come from Bermuda. No connection with the Netherlands other than several visitits, a lot of friends and 690 days on board HAL ships!!!!

I'm not so certain that HAL passengers would not appreciate a good Dutch/Indonesian restaurant. Most passengers were quite happy when the Odyssey restaurants were 'Italian' style. I don't see that they they couldn't enjoy something different. After all, I'm not suggesting Eel Gestoofde Paling!!!!!:eek:

Stephen
(In Sydney)

[dougnewmanatsea]

I would like to see all the Pinnacle Grills converted into traditional Indonesian restaurants.... perhaps adding a selection of Dutch dishes for good measure. ....
I wholeheartedly agree with you this one! As you say, what the Pinnacle offers you can get anywhere. At least in North America, you really have to be in the middle of nowhere in order to not be able to get a good steak, and it need not even be at a steakhouse.

It's not that there's anything wrong with the Pinnacle, but to me if I were to choose one type of specialty restaurant, it wouldn't be a steakhouse.

Italian seems to be the predominant choice - some of the first alternative restaurants on ships were Italian and I think of all the major cruise lines, HAL is the only one that does not have an Italian alternative restaurant.

I like Italian food every bit as much as the next person, but eat so much of it that it has to be really, really great to seem special. Good Italian food is ubiquitous in New York, and indeed it seems that like steak, any decent-sized city in North America has to have at least one really good Italian restaurant. In places like New York or San Francisco, it can sometimes seem that there is one on every other corner.

In contrast, when was the last time you came across a good Dutch/Indonesian restaurant in North America? Not even necessarily an upscale one, just any one. I'm sure there is are a few here in the New York area, but I've never run across one (never specifically searched for one either, mind you). To me, this adds to the appeal - it's not something that I can have every day. So I think it would be great if HAL went out on a limb and put Dutch/Indonesian alternative restaurants on their fleet.

Unfortunately I think that what we have here is a double-edged sword. Most of HAL's passengers have probably never had Dutch or Indonesian food, and I'm not sure how many will be willing to try it - at least in a situation that involves paying extra for it. I know a lot of people are turned off from Dutch Night just because it's called Dutch Night and many of the menu items are named in Dutch. Also, I think many people don't like the hats - I have to admit that I am convinced that I look ridiculous in a Dutch hat though people try to convince me otherwise ;) ... But back to food... I think if many of the Dutch Night menu items were simply presented with non-Dutch names, and it was just presented as a regular, non-ethnic menu, most people would never notice. Really, aside from the Indonesian specialties and rollmops and a few other things, many of the Dutch Night menu items are not exactly exotic. I'm sure most Americans have had pea soup (though maybe not as good as HAL's version!).

But how many of the typical HAL pax would go spend $20 to have an Indonesian meal? Frightfully few, I suspect. Most Americans have a pretty narrow definition of what can be considered "fine dining": Steak, Italian, French, Japanese, and perhaps a few other things, yes. Most other cuisines, no. Even Chinese which is the most popular "ethnic" food in the US - even above Italian - is not perceived as something that one would go out and spend a lot of money on. Of course this is mostly because most Americans only know Chinese food that is basically an Americanized version of what was probably very poor Chinese food to begin with. (I am of the same opinion of a lot of American Italian food, but upscale Italian is much more available in the US than upscale Chinese - it's just outnumbered by poor-quality Italian... Whereas upscale Chinese is nearly nonexistent.) Clearly, people perceive certain cuisines as being suitable for "fine dining". Others they will eat, but only in a casual/inexpensive setting.

As another example, I happen to be extremely fond of Greek food. As I understand it, until about a decade ago, I there was a single upscale Greek restaurant in the entire NY metro area (upscale restaurants owned by Greeks we have lots of, but they usually don't feature Greek food). That's over 20 million people, including a sizeable Greek-American population, and zero upscale Greek restaurants. (I think there are now two or three, all in Manhattan. Considering that in New York, dining choices are usually limited solely by your tastes and budget, this is pretty amazing.) The perception of Greek food is just not as something that can be expensive and luxurious. Indonesian food is likely an even harder sell becuase I imagine even fewer people will have been exposed to it, let alone in an upscale setting.

So in the end, I think a Dutch/Indonesian restaurant on HAL would be great - in the sense that I'd love to see one. But I don't think it would be much of a business proposition. Mind you, I would love to see HAL consider the idea and conduct some research to see what public opinion would be - but I fear it would not be in their favor.

[PRINSENDAM]

I liked the Pinnacle Grill. I think they did a commendable job of the whole steak presentation thing. Here in NY (Morton's, Del Frisco's, Peter Luger's) , a meal like that would run you a pretty penny depending on what kind of cut you have. I think Pinnacle offers an affordable way to have that experience. America is steak and potatoes to some extent.

I don't think many people would go for an Indonesian/Dutch thing for $20 either (especially if the food is not authentic). Man this thread is real really makes me hungry. There are SO many great Indonesian dishes that most people have never even tried. I don't know if Indo food will ever be the next thing like Thai food, but...

I think HAL could introduce some more Indo dishes in the Lido at least (Lido food on Ryndam was unremarkable or salty at best, imo).

I've never gotten to experience Dutch night! I wish I did, sounds fun.

!


I understand completely what you are saying, but I think you might find that for non-North American passengers, steak is just not a big deal, no matter how good it is.

Cruising should be an experience. New places, new sights, smells and sounds,new people, new food... something different. Besides, steak is available in the main dining room and also in the lido, granted not quite the same in terms of Pinnacle Grill service! Last year on OOSTERDAM & WESTERDAM & PRINENDAM the steaks prepared in the Lido for casual dinner were just as good as Pinnacle.

I would like to see the Lido become a steak house in the evening. Casual dining with thick juicy steaks. $15? Sure.

Pinnacle Grill should become the Dutch/Indonesian spot on board. Put the waiters in traditional Indonesian costume and serve the best food in fine style. $20? Definitely!

Why do you think the Dutch/Indonesian food served on board would not be authentic?

The best steak I ever had was at a restaurant in Brooklyn. Somewhere near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge exit. German place called Loreli's (sp).

And while on the subject of NY restaurants... does anyone remember Luchow's on 14th Street? The only place I have every enjoyed raw oysters. Again, a German restaurant that looked like a winter garden on board the old VATERLAND. Captain Turner of the LUSITANIA had dinner there the night before she sailed on her fateful voyage in 1915.

Oh... and having a Dutch/Indonesian restaurant on board does not mean having to have the hats. They could easily be 'banned'.:)

Stephen

[obriendan]

I think having a Dutch/Indonesian restaurant as a specisalty restaurant on HAL is a grand idea. I wonder if HAL would consider having the specialty restaurant Dutch/Indonesian only half the time, and allow it to be a steakhouse the rest of the time?

[Host Walt]

Both are good, but frankly it's better when made fresh and served immediately. The gorengs served in the Lido on HAL are, unfortunately, "steam table fresh," not freshly made right from the kitchen.

A restaurant we like in Aruba, Hung Paradijs, (http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/bynight/restaurants/indonesian/) makes wonderful and authentic Indonesian food and has lunch hours so it is available during an Aruba port call.

Another restaurant we have been to three times is in Amsterdam, Netherlands; the Restaurant Indonesia (http://www.schonwalder.com/Dining/DTU_menus/35nl_indonesian_menu.htm) which is located across the canal from the Anne Frank House.

Both serve Nasi, Bami and Jakarta along with many other dishes.

[Vic The Parrot]

Both are good, but frankly it's better when made fresh and served immediately. The gorengs served in the Lido on HAL are, unfortunately, "steam table fresh," not freshly made right from the kitchen.

A restaurant we like in Aruba, Hung Paradijs, (http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/bynight/restaurants/indonesian/) makes wonderful and authentic Indonesian food and has lunch hours so it is available during an Aruba port call.

Another restaurant we have been to three times is in Amsterdam, Netherlands; the Restaurant Indonesia (http://www.schonwalder.com/Dining/DTU_menus/35nl_indonesian_menu.htm) which is located across the canal from the Anne Frank House.

Both serve Nasi, Bami and Jakarta along with many other dishes.



Gee Walt


Thanks for making me drool! LOL


:D

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=tobbekvinna]I know for UKers and France, some form of steak and potatoes is also the norm, and from the two cruises I took on HAL, it seemed Americans were in the majority.


My point exactly!!! If it is the 'norm' what is so sspecial about it? Let's try something new when we are on holiday. Just because Americans or Brits or French might be the majority on any cruise ship does not mean that ALL the food has to be 'steak and potatoes'. Like I said, try something new and different.




I think the Indo food would not be authentic because the little Indo food they serve now is not authentic. Ask your waitstaff's opinion on this.

You are right... because they have to water it down because some people object to trying something 'different'. No reason at all why the chef can't do the real thing is he is told to do so. It depends on instructions from the Corporate Chef... but it doesn't mean thay can't do it.


I wouldn't mind wearing a hat...

Once is enough... but that is in the Dining Room... it might not be appropriate in a more 'refined' dining area.

Also, the steak in the dining rooms do NOT have the same taste. Actually, I thought it was tasteless beef. Even when you add salt and pepper...it's the beef taste that's missing. Pinnacle has dry aged beef, which is not something you can find in your grocery store or local butcher.

Well, we have had steaks in the Lido and dining room that ARE as tasty as those in Pinnacle Grill. Sometimes... not always. But at the same time I had a steak in Pinnacle that I didn't think was all that great. One of the reason I usually opt for the rack of lamb... double portion! Don't know why you can't get dry aged beef at your butcher, we can.

I don't think your average cruiser would pay $20 for an Indo/Dutch alternative restaurant. The only reason I tried Pinnacle is because I didn't on the first night for $10. I mean, how many times does one have take away and end up ordering the same thing EVERYtime because it's what they're used to.

Ah, that is pure choice. Perhaps an 'average' price... $15 for steaks in the Lido and $15 for a Dutch/Indonesian dinner in Pinnacle might be the answer

There aren't many dutch OR Indo restaurants in general, and many people may have no inkling of what those cuisines have to offer.

Well, there are not many American restaurants in Holland or Indonesia but in those countries the local restaurants are packed with tourists. Well, it is either lat local or it has to be MacDonalds. My point is, cruise ships offer shall we say, basic American fare in the dining room. Why can't the grills offer an good alternative. Up until a few years ago... before Pinnacle Grills came around, they were called Odyssey Restaurants and offered a mix of Italian/Mediterranean fare. I thought the menu was much more interesting...



Here in the States you'd have to be in a big city to even have hope that you'll find one. In NYC, we have only one decent (imo) Indo place, and the Dutch place (NL) is known for their ristjafel ;-P and not the Dutch food.

All the more reason to offer something new on board. The 'rijstafel' or 'rice table' is considered today to be a 'typical Dutch dish'. Heck, if Pinnacle Grill offered nothing but a rijstafel I'd be more than happy!!!! Note, my suggestion was for a combined Dutch & Indonesian restaurant. The best of both worlds.

Stephen

[dougnewmanatsea]

I think you might find that for non-North American passengers, steak is just not a big deal, no matter how good it is.
Well, I'm North American and you can count me in among the "not a big deal" people. A very good steak is nice, but...?

That said, I think your point here about non-North American passengers is a bit academic. I wonder what percentage of HAL pax are not North American? 10% maybe? Not that many, anyhow. Maybe more in Europe, but on the North American-based itineraries HAL does not seem to attract a particularly diverse group.

And of course if you look at, say, Princess, their presence at least in the UK, Germany, and Australia (probably the biggest cruise markets outside North America) is much stronger than HAL's. I do not think HAL puts on much of an effort in marketing outside North America. Same goes for Carnival.

Last year on OOSTERDAM & WESTERDAM & PRINENDAM the steaks prepared in the Lido for casual dinner were just as good as Pinnacle.
I agree with you on this one. Yes, the steaks in the Pinnacle are very good. But was it better than that in the dining room? I don't know, that seemed pretty good too! (Didn't eat dinner in the Lido but I'm sure the food there is fine.)

I would like to see the Lido become a steak house in the evening. Casual dining with thick juicy steaks.
I think this is done on some (not all) Princess ships.

Only thing is, it then would limit casual dining possibilities for those who don't want steak, and would eliminate "free" casual dinners which almost all major lines now provide.

I know for UKers and France, some form of steak and potatoes is also the norm
Ah yes but the key is that it is not generally perceived as being upscale as it sometimes is in the US. The upscale steakhouse is mostly an American thing.

In France un steak, usually with some pommes frites, is something you eat in a cafe... A relatively inexpensive, casual meal. Not something you would be served in a fine restaurant.

Pinnacle has dry aged beef, which is not something you can find in your grocery store or local butcher.
You might not be able to get it at your local supermarket but a quality butcher ought to carry beef every bit as good as you'd get in the Pinnacle or in some fancy steakhouse.

My point exactly!!! If it is the 'norm' what is so sspecial about it?
Well, in its defense, the food in the Pinnacle would cost quite a bit on land, at least in that sort of upscale atmosphere.

Then again I would never spend that much for it on land. But that's just me. Obviously a lot of people like expensive steak judging by the incredible proliferation of pricey stakehouses in the US.

In the end, I vote for the Dutch/Indonesian restaurant as my personal preference - but am not sure how much money HAL would make off of it!

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=Host Doug]

That said, I think your point here about non-North American passengers is a bit academic. I wonder what percentage of HAL pax are not North American? 10% maybe? Not that many, anyhow. Maybe more in Europe, but on the North American-based itineraries HAL does not seem to attract a particularly diverse group.

Doug, the point I am trying to make here is that just because the ships happen to carry a majority of North American passengers does not mean that they have to offer 100% North American style food. To be a 'traveller' is to enjoy new experiences don't you think? What is the point of cruising if you are getting the same thing that you could get at home? I see this as even more reason why the restaurants opn board should offer something different. The main restaurant menus are very North American.... the Grill can be something different.


And of course if you look at, say, Princess, their presence at least in the UK, Germany, and Australia (probably the biggest cruise markets outside North America) is much stronger than HAL's. I do not think HAL puts on much of an effort in marketing outside North America. Same goes for Carnival.

Princess offers a steak house experience and Sabatini's... for Italian. Sabatini's offers a far superior experience than does the steak house.


Only thing is, it then would limit casual dining possibilities for those who don't want steak, and would eliminate "free" casual dinners which almost all major lines now provide.

Hmmmm....yes. The Lido's are big enough though to offer both I think. Like I suggested.... the steak house experience could be casual.


Ah yes but the key is that it is not generally perceived as being upscale as it sometimes is in the US. The upscale steakhouse is mostly an American thing.
In France un steak, usually with some pommes frites, is something you eat in a cafe... A relatively inexpensive, casual meal. Not something you would be served in a fine restaurant.

Very true. Fine restaurants don't serve 2lb slabs of dead cow!:eek:



Well, in its defense, the food in the Pinnacle would cost quite a bit on land, at least in that sort of upscale atmosphere.

Heck, you would pay a lot for MOST of the meals served on board a cruise ship. Soup $10, Appetizer $15, Salad $8, Main $30, Desert $12, Cheeseboard $12..... $87..... plus 15%... TOTAL x 2 = $200 PLUS wine on top!!!!!



In the end, I vote for the Dutch/Indonesian restaurant as my personal preference - but am not sure how much money HAL would make off of it!


Ah, it all comes down to personal preference doesn't it. $10 or $20 included in the cost of the ticket is the way to go. Then it can be 'free'! The important thing is for passengers to enjoy their on board experience... in every respect. I honestly believe that a bit of adventureous dining would go a long way to achieving that special vacation satisfaction. BTW.. I am not an accountant so I don't have to be concerned if the numbers don't 'crunch' I would make the charge $30 and include the wine. :eek:

Anyone who has experienced a HAL Suite luncheon or Grand Voyage dinner with rijstafel served by waiters in traditional costume topped off with a Monkey dance will know that the experience can be a lot of fun... and tasty too!

Stephen

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=tobbekvinna] I'm not taking a stand FOR Pinnacle, rather a stand AGAINST any type of dining that would offer unauthentic Indo food by pointing out that, to some extent, Americans DO like their steak.


I don't quite understand how you can say that Pinnacle couldn't or wouldn't offer authentic Indonesian food? What has the fact that American's like their steak got to do with it? Are you suggesting that your fellow Americans would not appreciate authentic Indonesian food?

If HAL decided that they wanted to convert Pinnacle into an AUTHENTIC Indonesian restaurant they would quite simply employ an Indonesian chef to head up the galley team to prepare the food. If you can purchase authentic ingredients in Tampa or New York or Vagas for your home cooking purposes then surely it would be possible for HAL to purchase the same?


Look at Las Vegas, in that one tiny piece of land with all those casinos and gambling, there's a steak house for EVERY casino (big or small) not to mention all the other stand alone steak houses. That must say something since Vegas is practically a weekend destination for many Americans no matter what coast they're on.

Yes it does. It says that Steaks are popular in Vegas. If I want a steak then I know where to go. I'll bet there is at least one Italian restaurant in Vegas for every casino too! But a cruise ship is NOT Vegas. Not even American territory. (HAL ships are Dutch flag.) Do we need a steak house on every cruise ship or in every foreign destination? No!


I serioulsy feel like cooking all of you an authentic Indo meal that would make you see what my biggest problem with this idea is (and it's not as easily remedied as telling a cook how to cook it). You'd feel guilty for suggesting it as you wouldn't want to do Indo food the injustice and give it a bad name.

Hmmmm..... are you assuming that the rest of us have not eaten authentic Indonesian food? Some of us have been to Indonesia and the Netherlands.... and more than once or twice!:rolleyes:

Stephen

[dougnewmanatsea]

Doug, the point I am trying to make here is that just because the ships happen to carry a majority of North American passengers does not mean that they have to offer 100% North American style food.
This is very true. But then, I think a very large proportion of their North American passengers would not appreciate anything else. To many people, different food isn't different, it's "wrong". And hence if they go to Italy and the food does not taste like North American "Italian", they will complain bitterly. Give them French toast made with French bread and no maple syrup, and they will tell you that obviously the chef "doesn't know how to make French toast". And heaven help them if they ever go to China and don't get chow mein and fortune cookies (both American inventions for those who didn't know)!

Hmmmm....yes. The Lido's are big enough though to offer both I think. Like I suggested.... the steak house experience could be casual.
This is true. It also would have to be "free" (included) in order to really replace the present Lido dinner service. But I suppose it would be possible to offer both.

Very true. Fine restaurants don't serve 2lb slabs of dead cow!
Sadly, I think this is the definition of fine dining to many Americans!

$10 or $20 included in the cost of the ticket is the way to go. Then it can be 'free'!
Not how the cruise lines seem to see it ;) . Otherwise they would just do that!

Personally I am not particularly averse to extra-charge restaurants so long as it does not cause the quality in the "free" restaurants to go downward. Fortunately this does not seem to be the case.

American food is the most processed and we don't really have anything that would be worth making a whole restaurant on the topic.
This is true. What is "American" food anyway? Mostly it is inferior interpretations of food from other places!

(and it's not as easily remedied as telling a cook how to cook it)
Surely it could be remedied quite well by getting an Indonesian cook?

Aren't many of those on HAL already Indonesian anyway?

Certainly most of the executive chefs on HAL are Dutch, and I'm sure some of them know how to do authentic Indonesian, even if they don't do it on HAL (presumably because that's not what has been prescribed by the head office).

Aside from the fact that I think many pax would not be so adventurous as to try it, I see no reason why HAL could not do an authentic Indonesian restaurant. Even if they are incapable of authentic Indonesian cooking now, I imagine it would not be too incredibly difficult to hire people who could!

[PRINSENDAM]

[QUOTE=Host Doug]This is very true. But then, I think a very large proportion of their North American passengers would not appreciate anything else. To many people, different food isn't different, it's "wrong".




Doug,

Let them eat cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)


Well then, those that are not interested intrying something different can stay in the main restaurant. The average Pinnacle Grill can only seat about 100 diners ... roughly 700 over a seven day cruise.... way less than 50% of the ship's capacity. Let the Pinnacle Grill be used by the minority that are interesting in fine dining and are willing to pay for the experience.

Stephen

[Vic The Parrot]

I'm looking forward to trying the Pinnacle on my next HAL cruise. I always read good (and not so good) things on here, but I think the only way to judge it is to try it myself.

Even if they don't make it into an extra-tariff Indonesian eatery, it sounds like an interesting alternative. (If they DO decide to serve Indonesian specialties in there, I'd be booking it every other day!)

[dougnewmanatsea]

Let them eat cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Don't you mean "let them eat steak", Stephen ;) ?

[PRINSENDAM]

I'm looking forward to trying the Pinnacle on my next HAL cruise. I always read good (and not so good) things on here, but I think the only way to judge it is to try it myself.

Even if they don't make it into an extra-tariff Indonesian eatery, it sounds like an interesting alternative. (If they DO decide to serve Indonesian specialties in there, I'd be booking it every other day!)



Vic,

How come you never tried it before? Was your last HAL cruise 'pre Pinnacle'? Shame, shame! ;) I don't think you will be disappointed with Pinnacle.

Stephen

[Vic The Parrot]

Vic,

How come you never tried it before? Was your last HAL cruise 'pre Pinnacle'? Shame, shame! ;) I don't think you will be disappointed with Pinnacle.

Stephen


Howdy Stephen


As a matter of fact, yes. My last cruise with HAL, 'pre-Pinn' was back in 1998. I didn't get a chance to try it on Oosterdam back in Feb tho. (I was having way too much fun)

I'll definetly try the grill next time.


:)

[Copper10-8]

I'll definetly try the grill next time. :)

Hey Vic, como esta? It's gotta be 5 o'clock somewhere


You can't go wrong with the Pinnacle; great food, great service and a really nice ambiance (or was that ambulance?)

Take care and be safe!

John

[Vic The Parrot]

Hey Vic, como esta? It's gotta be 5 o'clock somewhere


You can't go wrong with the Pinnacle; great food, great service and a really nice ambiance (or was that ambulance?)

Take care and be safe!

John


Hey amigo!


Que pasa??

I'll get the 1st bottle of wine in the Pinnacle!
And hope we won't need an ambulance......

(A few crates of Alka Seltzer, yea, but no ambulance)

:D

[PRINSENDAM]

You can't go wrong with the Pinnacle; great food, great service and a really nice ambiance (or was that ambulance?)


John


Of course one of the best times to enjoy Pinnacle it at lunch time... on a sea day. Different menu of course, but same great service. OK, it is $10 but what the heck. It is great way to relax and watch the sea go by.

Stephen

[Copper10-8]

Of course one of the best times to enjoy Pinnacle it at lunch time... on a sea day. Different menu of course, but same great service. OK, it is $10 but what the heck. It is great way to relax and watch the sea go by.

Stephen



Did that a couple of times and agree 100% with you, Stephen

[Vic The Parrot]

You mean I have to put on a shirt, and shoes to eat there?

--groan--

[stanford's girl]

Did that a couple of times and agree 100% with you, Stephen
Hi John, How many HAL cruises have you been on? Have you sailed on the Oosterdam? What was the best thing you had in the Pinnacle? Inquiring mind want to know! :D

[Copper10-8]

You mean I have to put on a shirt, and shoes to eat there?--groan--

Hey Vic, do you have any Jimmy Buffett's outfits?

[stanford's girl]

Hi John, How many HAL cruises have you been on? Have you sailed on the Oosterdam? What was the best thing you had in the Pinnacle? Inquiring mind want to know! :D

Hey!!! No fair John, answering Vic and not me.:( :(

[Copper10-8]

Hey!!! No fair John, answering Vic and not me.:( :(

OK, OK, if you insist. Been on 21 HAL cruises total since our first one in NOV 93 on the Nieuw Amsterdam. We did sail on the Oosterdam when she was brand spanking new in SEP/OCT 03 from Harwich to Civitavecchia. That was an outstanding itinerary and we really enjoyed it! We also always enjoy the Pinnacle and I usually have the filet mignon with the potatoes and spinach (like Popeye the sailorman)

See ya

JP

[Vic The Parrot]

Hey Vic, do you have any Jimmy Buffett's outfits?


Sure do!



I wore a loud Hawaiian print shirt to the Mariners party on the Oosterdam in Feb. (The cruise where I got my 100day pin! :D )

Greg told me my outfit, along with the medallion and my beaming smile, blinded the room.



:cool:

[Copper10-8]

Sure do!
I wore a loud Hawaiian print shirt to the Mariners party on the Oosterdam in Feb. (The cruise where I got my 100day pin! :D )

Greg told me my outfit, along with the medallion and my beaming smile, blinded the room.:cool:

Dude, what are you doing awake at 0300 in the morning? I'm sure you looked great in your outfit especially when you had that pin on it! Which capt. & HM gave it to you?

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[Vic The Parrot]

BTW


You KNOW I'm kidding about the shoes and shirt!

I can certainly sacrifice one afternoon of my usual 'uniform' and don a jacket for lunch in the Grill.

And, I'm promising me-self to do that next time I'm on a HAL ship!

:)

[Copper10-8]

BTW


You KNOW I'm kidding about the shoes and shirt!

I can certainly sacrifice one afternoon of my usual 'uniform' and don a jacket for lunch in the Grill.

And, I'm promising me-self to do that next time I'm on a HAL ship!

:)

Sure I know that, we both follow the rules to the letter

[Vic The Parrot]

Got that right kiddo.

There's a place for bare feet, and baggies, and it's for the pool. (And Hanauma Bay)


:cool:

[Copper10-8]

Hey, I'm going beddie-bye Vic - gotta get up in 5 hours:( Next time

Be good!

[Vic The Parrot]

Hey man

Sleep well!

Me and SG will keep the light on.


:)

[PRINSENDAM]

Vic,

Shirt yes... and even a pair of shoes.... socks not required! The nice thing is to enjoy a casual lunch in a lovely restaurant. A table next to the windows.... and watch the sea go by. The antipasto is excellent and the Pinnacle Burger is to die for!

One of the big pluses about lunch in Pinnacle is that the waiters are not rushed and they have time to chat and 'amuse' their guests. Likewise, it is a good time to chat to the Maitr'd... and arrange a good table for the evening session.

Stephen

[Vic The Parrot]

Vic,

One of the big pluses about lunch in Pinnacle is that the waiters are not rushed and they have time to chat and 'amuse' their guests. Likewise, it is a good time to chat to the Maitr'd... and arrange a good table for the evening session.

Stephen


Hey there Stephen!

Thanks for the tip ... I'll definitely do that.
If we meet on board a ship, 1st round is on me!


:)

[stanford's girl]

OK, OK, if you insist. Been on 21 HAL cruises total since our first one in NOV 93 on the Nieuw Amsterdam. We did sail on the Oosterdam when she was brand spanking new in SEP/OCT 03 from Harwich to Civitavecchia. That was an outstanding itinerary and we really enjoyed it! We also always enjoy the Pinnacle and I usually have the filet mignon with the potatoes and spinach (like Popeye the sailorman)

See ya

JP
WOW!! I bet you have some great cruise stories. What took you so long to post on CC? You should have been sharing all your HAL expertise a long time ago. What ship is your favorite and why? I won't be sailing on my first HAL ship until Oct.

(Sorry Vic, I kind of highjacked your thread):o

[PRINSENDAM]

Hey there Stephen!

Thanks for the tip ... I'll definitely do that.
If we meet on board a ship, 1st round is on me!


:)



Vic,

What about rounds 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6? :rolleyes:

Mariner's Party..... we enjoyed a nice one last September on board STATENDAM. The group was small... probably no more than 250 so insyead of the usual party in the lounge it was held in the main dininh roooom... upper level, after end. The usual speeches and presentations... and drinks... followed by 'mini' rijstafel.

The largest Mariner's Party I've attended was on board the final voyage of the old ROTTERDAM. The group of medallion holders was so large that the standard group photograph had to be taken the next day up on Sports Deck by a photographer perched up between the two funnels!

Stephen

[Vic The Parrot]

(Sorry Vic, I kind of highjacked your thread):o


You didn't hijack anything ..... 'mi thread, su thread'


We're all here to share experiences, and cheerful banter is always welcomed.


:)

[Copper10-8]

We're all here to share experiences, and cheerful banter is always welcomed. :)

Hey amigo

I've got your e-mail, thanks - one will be coming your way Very interesting stuff:eek:

[Vic The Parrot]

John!

Da man!


:cool:

[Renorita]

Ohhhh, another "Late night Thread"!! :D To keep on topic Vic, I have never tried Bami, but looking forward to tasting it. Now that we got the main topic out of the way. I will be sailing on the Oosterdam with Janice, (SG) this October and since it will be my first HAL cruise, really looking forward to trying the Pinnacle. Also want to try it at lunchtime, as neither Dru or I care much for Buffets!
Hi John!! :)

[Vic The Parrot]

Ello Rita!

:)



I'm sure you won't be disappointed with your 1st HAL cruise.
And the Indonesian specialties offered are recommended!

Whether you pick bami, or nasi, you'll enjoy each bite.


:cool:

[Renorita]

Thanks Vic, will take your word anytime! Check back with you guys tonight at work! ;)

[Copper10-8]

Ohhhh, another "Late night Thread"!! :D To keep on topic Vic, I have never tried Bami, but looking forward to tasting it. Now that we got the main topic out of the way. I will be sailing on the Oosterdam with Janice, (SG) this October and since it will be my first HAL cruise, really looking forward to trying the Pinnacle. Also want to try it at lunchtime, as neither Dru or I care much for Buffets!
Hi John!! :)

Hi Rita,

Nice to hear from you! Great job on the surprise to your hubby (heard about it;)) Be sure to try some of the Indonesian food on the Oosterdam especially the sate (sateh) with peanut sauce, pretty good stuff. You'll love the Pinnacle!

[Renorita]

Hi Rita,

Nice to hear from you! Great job on the surprise to your hubby (heard about it;)) Be sure to try some of the Indonesian food on the Oosterdam especially the sate (sateh) with peanut sauce, pretty good stuff. You'll love the Pinnacle!



Will these foods be available at the Buffet, Dining room or the Pinnacle?

Thanks John, it was fun to surprise him like that! Now we just have to get through the next 2 months! :(

[Copper10-8]

Will these foods be available at the Buffet, Dining room or the Pinnacle?

Thanks John, it was fun to surprise him like that! Now we just have to get through the next 2 months! :(

They are usually available during the Indonesian lunch in the Lido. Also had them a couple of times in the dining room as an appetizer but that's been a while.