Bringing liquor onboard ?

[JoanneF]

Hi-
We've never been on a cruise before and our first cruise will be on the Volendam at the end of June. I've seen postings about it being OK to bring wine aboard but nothing about liquor.
Is it OK? People have told me all carry-on bags and luggage is searched before boarding and everything is taken and stored until the end. Is this true? We'd like to be able to bring vodka onboard for a cocktail in our room before dinner.
Thanks for your help. I've found lots of helpful info on this board.
Joanne
Medford, MA

[dakrewser]

from HAL:


Bringing Alcoholic Beverages Onboard
Except for wine and champagne, alcoholic beverages purchased in the vessel's shops or otherwise brought on the ship cannot be consumed on the ship. Bottles and other containers will be collected for safekeeping and delivered to your stateroom on the last day of the voyage.


Have a great cruise!

[Ballzee]

We brought a plastic liter bottle of rum on board, locked in our checked luggage, as did the couple we went with. Both arrived in the room, in the luggage with absolutely no problem. It couldn't have been easier. We also carried a 6 pack of Pepsi onbaord. No problem.

The reality ended up being we drank about 1/2 the vodka over the 10 days and mainly bought drinks throughout the cruise. We also bought the onboard wine package.

At one port, I think it was Dominica, we bought alcohol to bring back and it was taken as we boarded the ship and returned when we left. Soft drinks were not.

[jaguarstyper]

As Dave has politely pointed out, you are not allowed to bring your own bottle of vodka onboard. You can, however purchase a bottle for use in your cabin. Either from Ship Services, in advance, or from Room Service or any bar once on the ship. Most of the vodkas are $25-30 for a 1 liter bottle and include 2 cans of mixer, such as tonic. Premiums like Grey Goose and Belvedere are more money. Its a very good way to go and well within the rules.

Tim

[michmike]

joanne - you'll get plenty of folks telling you that it is against the rules (and some of them will get quite adamant about it) but the reality is that plenty of us bring alcohol on board in our checked baggage w/o incident. I would buy plastic bottles if you can find them and then seal them in a zip loc bag for additional protection against leakage. I've even brought glass bottles before (again in zip loc bags ) and have had no problems.

In all the discussion I've seen here on the boards I have never heard of anyone having their checked luggage searched for alcohol. And worse case the cruise line would likely take it for the duration of the trip and give it back to you at the end. Very worst case they take it and DON'T give it back.

Sup to you and what your own moral compass will permit, but I, for one, see it as a highly discriminatory policy on HAL's part to allow wine and champagne on board without a problem and yet prohibit beer and liquor.

Now.. I WILL say that it would be in bad taste to make drinks in your room and take them out to public areas on the ship. We still spend plenty of money in the bars. But I have no problem bringing a bottle for in room consumption and I will continue to do so.

[Oceanwench]

Incoming!!!

[peaches from georgia]

joanne - you'll get plenty of folks telling you that it is against the rules (and some of them will get quite adamant about it)....

I think what people get adamant about is whether there is anything wrong with hiding liquor in checked baggage in order to try to bring it on the ship.

No one is adamant as to whether it is or is not against the rules to do so. The rule is written (see post # 2), is very clear, and states that liquor, other than wine and champagne is not to be brought onto and consumed on the ship. The rule is a fact and not in dispute. :rolleyes:

[xpcdoojk]

the last one didn't even get cold... O Well here goes the merry-go-round, again.:D

jc

[Bill S]

Ancient Chinese proverb/corollary (or paraphrase thereof)comes to mind:

The more laws/rules there are, the more criminals/violators there are!

:eek:

[localady]

Ancient Chinese proverb/corollary (or paraphrase thereof)comes to mind:

The more laws/rules there are, the more criminals/violators there are!

:eek:

Spoken (and repeated) by truly wise men!!!!:cool:

[TYMAN]

Oceanwench.....:D

[Oceanwench]

Funny ... I just typed the words World War III somewhere else.

Isn't it interesting that there are 2 new posts about taking alcohol aboard -- both posted by newbies as their first foray into this board?

Anyone? Anyone?

[TYMAN]

I don't think they've met the HAL Alcohol prevention team! :rolleyes:

[Time2sail]

" I've seen postings about it being OK to bring wine aboard but nothing about liquor."

Is JoanneF toying with our emotions?:rolleyes:

[xpcdoojk]

I always laugh to myself, when someone says, that post count doesn't matter at all. Clearly, it does matter, and hence it is natural to be suspicious of new posters that suddenly appear and the first thread they start is not a reply to another thread, but they start a totally new thread on one of the hot button topics. Formal wear, children, alcohol smuggling, babies in the pool, etc. That doesn't mean that the OP meant to stir up a ruckus, but it can't be ignored as a possibility.:D

jc

[michmike]

"No one is adamant as to whether it is or is not against the rules to do so. The rule is written (see post # 2), is very clear, and states that liquor, other than wine and champagne is not to be brought onto and consumed on the ship. The rule is a fact and not in dispute. " per peaches from georgia


Peaches, semantically correct. Indeed, my point re the adamancy had to do with the outrage many express at those of us who take exception to the rule and choose to bring alcohol on board anyway. As I see it, bringing booze smuggled in my luggage is behavior that affects no one else and while those who want to rail against it are welcome to do so, my posts in the previous thread merely said that none of us are going to convert the other on this issue. And you'll have to forgive me if I note that many who are the quickest to express outrage at the behavior of those of us who choose to flaunt the rule are the same who bring wine or champagne for THEIR enjoyment in THEIR cabin.

I continue to believe the rule is discriminatory and I'm simply not going to abide by it. I'll gladly post the dates of future cruises as we plan them so that those who will have THEIR cruise ruined by my attitude and/or behavior have the option of avoiding those of my ilk.. *S*

[dakrewser]

As I see it


That's my problem, how YOU (or any other individual) see's it. You don't get to pick and choose which rules you'll observe and which you won't. You either abide by them, work openly to get them changed, or go elsewhere. That's what civilization is about. Even college kids know that (http://orion.csuchico.edu/Pages/vol42issue14/dimensions/d.5.barrules.html).

-dave

[tonyt]

Go to Cruise Critic home page and at top center of page is a link that gives all the cruise lines' liquor policy.
tonyt

[Ballzee]

That's my problem, how YOU (or any other individual) see's it. You don't get to pick and choose which rules you'll observe and which you won't. You either abide by them, work openly to get them changed, or go elsewhere. That's what civilization is about. Even college kids know that (http://orion.csuchico.edu/Pages/vol42issue14/dimensions/d.5.barrules.html).

-dave

And how would you suggest one is to work openly to get this rule changed?

I assume you follow all the rules all the time. You never chose, right?

Did you speed on the freeway? Are you sure you made a complete stop at that stop sign? Was that light you went through really yellow or was it more like red? When you did your taxes, did you fudge anything? Ever call in sick when you probably could have made it in?

[bdmarine]

Dave,

So "that's what civilization is all about". I think that following the rule of law as well as cultural and ethical mores may be civilization, but blindly obeying self-serving corporate dictums is not. I don't go on a cruise to be the yellow dog lackey of some Seattle corporate financial analyst's latest revenue raising scheme.

[Notperfect]

Well said Ballzee! ;)
There does seem to be a few perfect people that know and obey every single rule that has ever been created! It's a beautiful thing!
Other than the perfect ones the others on here must work for the cruise line companies and are dedicated employees just trying to help pull in as much profits as possible. By the way profit is not a dirty word of course, but what ship services charge for a bottle booze is a down right crime! Those of you that like to pay those kind of prices ... go for it...if that makes you feel all fuzzy and warm inside that you are not breaking any rules that's cool too.
NOT ME!
I don't feel any guilt having my scotch on the rocks on my balcony as I watch an incredible sunset.I feel pretty darn good actually! It's the little devil in me I guess.
Not sure if God or Peaches from Georgia will forgive me for these indiscretions. Well, maybe God ( he probably has more important matters to judge on)
Then again.......:D

[RichGuy]

Here's my theory from outside the box: HAL is promoting their product (cruising) to the quiet rebels of the world with their "no liquor" rule. Allow me to explain. With their benign rule of no alcohol, offering only the punishment of "confiscation", this allows the quiet, passive rebels to smuggle a perfectly legal substance on board and drink it on their own little balcony "speak easy", feeling sneaky and sly. For most folks, getting away with something, especially when breaking a rule that is silly and based in greed, is a little bit fun. I know this is hard for the goody-goody rule folks to comprehend, but we just can't hep it!

So HAL plays the game and so do we. What a great exercise in psychology.

[jhannah]

I've tried to stay out of this one, but I'm compelled to make just a couple of comments.

I assume you follow all the rules all the time. You never chose, right? As my dear father used to tell me when I tried to make such a justification, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

I continue to believe the rule is discriminatory and I'm simply not going to abide by it. I believe that heavily taxing the middle class while many extremely wealthy folks get off scott free is discriminatory. But the rules are set and I have to live with them. Sure, this is a much different issue than smuggling liquor on board, but the principle is the same.

[CGTNORMANDIE]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! LOL!!!

The reality is...What you do in your cabin is your business (You have "rented your cabin" just like a hotel room and what you do inside your cabin is up to you...it is your right to privacy...as long as you are not disturbing or bothering anyone else.) DO NOT take your booze to a public area outside your cabin...this is really in poor taste and a big NO NO from the standpoint of shipboard ettiquette. Show me a hotel where you are not allowed to take your own alcohol into your own room. The real regulations are written into your cruise contract and state that "HAL reserves the right to limit...etc." "The booze rule" is all about money and nothing more. Carnival and Norwegian NCL do confiscate booze out of luggage...and I will no longer consider them for cruising.

Take what you need to enjoy your in-cabin experience and have a great cruise!!! (DON'T FORGET THE CORKSCREW!!! LOL!!!)

ROSS...From Somerville!!!

[Time2sail]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! LOL!!!

The reality is...What you do in your cabin is your business (You have "rented your cabin" just like a hotel room and what you do inside your cabin is up to you...it is your right to privacy...as long as you are not disturbing or bothering anyone else.) DO NOT take your booze to a public area outside your cabin...this is really in poor taste and a big NO NO from the standpoint of shipboard ettiquette. Show me a hotel where you are not allowed to take your own alcohol into your own room. The real regulations are written into your cruise contract and state that "HAL reserves the right to limit...etc." "The booze rule" is all about money and nothing more. Carnival and Norwegian NCL do confiscate booze out of luggage...and I will no longer consider them for cruising.

Take what you need to enjoy your in-cabin experience and have a great cruise!!! (DON'T FORGET THE CORKSCREW!!! LOL!!!)

ROSS...From Somerville!!!

Not going to even start naming what you can't do in the privacy of your room either at a hotel, cabin or in your home--or even what you are allowed to see or do on your own private computer in your room or home--oops, there I have named one:eek:

[Ballzee]

I've tried to stay out of this one, but I'm compelled to make just a couple of comments.

As my dear father used to tell me when I tried to make such a justification, "Two wrongs don't make a right."



Agreed! I was responding to the comment about chosing to abide by rule. I would never tell you I didn't break the rules. Along with that, when someone wants to preach to me about this, the old saying applies.."People in glass houses..........."

[dakrewser]

Isn't it amazing how many first time posters have replied in this thread? It's as if an alarm went off somewhere, attracting them. Or, perhaps, it's something else?

[jaguarstyper]

Or, perhaps, it's something else?

http://www.christreformed.org/about/churchlady1.jpg

Could it be....SAY-TIN????

[Time2sail]

How we miss and need you in these times of overt rule infractions and blanket approval of sinning--yes, we are oft visited by the horned one on this board. :D

[MetathoraX]

If the rule (guideline) of not bringing alchol on board wasn't soley for the purpose of the cruise line to make even more money than they already are I would probably abide by it. It is not a banned substance or against the law to consume.


I will be bringing mine :D

[Appgrad]

I'm not sure if I have posted enough to be "qualified" to respond to this post without further inflaming the HAL frequent posters, but I'll have a go....

Bring it on board and enjoy it!

Why do so many of you care what other people do in their rooms?

[Time2sail]

Dancing, dancing....

[TinaLee]

http://www.christreformed.org/about/churchlady1.jpg

Could it be....SAY-TIN????

ROFLMAO!!! :) ;) :)

[dakrewser]

Why do so many of you care what other people do in their rooms?

I don't give a - well, whatever people normally give - what you do in your cabin, so long as it's within the rules and guidelines of the ship. That goes for your cabin, the pool, the dining room and anywhere else.

I've been called the "fun police," but who elected you the judge to decide which are the "good" rules and which are the "bad" ones?

If the rule (guideline) of not bringing alchol on board wasn't soley for the purpose of the cruise line to make even more money

Ah, and could you point me to where this "truth" was revealed? Or did the revelation come to you in a dream? Percentagewise, the line makes more profit on wine than on liquor - yet you can bring on all the wine you'd like. How does that fit in to your theory?

[Ballzee]

I don't give a - well, whatever people normally give - what you do in your cabin, so long as it's within the rules and guidelines of the ship. That goes for your cabin, the pool, the dining room and anywhere else.

I've been called the "fun police," but who elected you the judge to decide which are the "good" rules and which are the "bad" ones?



Ah, and could you point me to where this "truth" was revealed? Or did the revelation come to you in a dream? Percentagewise, the line makes more profit on wine than on liquor - yet you can bring on all the wine you'd like. How does that fit in to your theory?

If you had read my first post on this board, you would know it was in response to a question about a hotel in FLL. In that post, I stated I was a long-time lurker, and felt I needed to post, as the hotel was terrible and usage. I know realize it was a mistake to even engage in the current thread. Frankly, and I truly say this with all due respect, I won't be losing any sleep over whether you think it's was OK for me to bring a bottle of booze on board. I did it, and I will do it again.

I could tell you that, between 4 of us, we drank half of it over 10 days and spent plenty on drinks, gambling, etc. But, I don't want to give the impression that I am trying to say what I did was within the rules, because it was not.

Clearly, you always follow every rule every time and always have. Given that, you have a right to tell people what they should and should not be doing.

[michmike]

Originally Posted by dakrewser
"I don't give a - well, whatever people normally give - what you do in your cabin, so long as it's within the rules and guidelines of the ship. "


Just out of curiousity... other than your moral outrage at rule breakers in general, can you explain to me how my enjoyment of a contraband bottle of booze in my stateroom adversely affects you ?

Any of you other guardians of moral rectitude are welcome to respond as well, because frankly I just don't get it.

[jaguarstyper]

Percentagewise, the line makes more profit on wine than on liquor - yet you can bring on all the wine you'd like.

I'm not entirely sure I buy this.

They probably sell a $15 bottle of wine (PA price) for $45. Which gives them $30 to play with. I'm guessing they might sell it for $10 per glass, which will get them about $35-40 to play with. Also, this comes with very little effort from a bartender.

Lets think about a 1 liter bottle of Stolichnaya vodka. $20 here in PA. A one liter bottle will make about 20 typical drinks. I'm guessing $6 is a pretty typical price for a Stoli cocktail. Add in another $20 expense for mixers and garnish and they still have $80 to play with. I dont think there is a really big demand for full bottles of vodka.

Again, I'm working with guesstimated numbers, but I doubt I'm really too far off. So Dave, do you know something that I dont know? Is HAL getting a really good deal on wine somewhere?

Tim

[jaguarstyper]

Just out of curiousity... other than your moral outrage at rule breakers in general, can you explain to me how my enjoyment of a contraband bottle of booze in my stateroom adversely affects you ?

Any of you other guardians of moral rectitude are welcome to respond as well, because frankly I just don't get it.

Mike, while I dont really agree with them, I can see their point. They feel that if you break this rule, well then, why not any rule. Its the old "Camel's nose under the tent" mentality. And it works both ways. If we dont question some of the rules that we percieve to be silly, whats the next rule they will come up with? Hey, we got away with banning booze, how about banning toothpaste. "We will be happy to sell you toothpaste at $19 per tube, therefore your no longer allowed to bring your own on board." Could cosmetics, or even clothing be far away? Preposterous, I know. But its an example of the "Camel's nose under the tent" again, but going the other way. Eventually, that Camel is going to be sleeping in someone's bed.

Its a never ending arguement that no one will ever win. But it sure makes for some lively debate :D

Tim

[michmike]

"Eventually, that Camel is going to be sleeping in someone's bed. "

*laffin* Tim - that is certainly going to give rise to a vision of conduct in the privacy of your own cabin that will cause some to shudder.....

Michmike - hopelessly declasse but enjoying life..

[Oceanwench]

Tim,

I was hoping someone would calculate the profits HAL would make on a bottle of wine vs. a bottle of liquor. Seems to me liquor would make a bigger profit for them. Guess I'll have to ask my favorite bartender's opinion.
When I sailed on a Windjammer, back in the early 90s, pax were not allowed to take liquor aboard. And that is one of the most laid-back cruises you could ever take.

[dakrewser]

I'm not entirely sure I buy this.

They probably sell a $15 bottle of wine (PA price) for $45. Which gives them $30 to play with. I'm guessing they might sell it for $10 per glass, which will get them about $35-40 to play with. Also, this comes with very little effort from a bartender.

Lets think about a 1 liter bottle of Stolichnaya vodka. $20 here in PA. A one liter bottle will make about 20 typical drinks. I'm guessing $6 is a pretty typical price for a Stoli cocktail. Add in another $20 expense for mixers and garnish and they still have $80 to play with. I dont think there is a really big demand for full bottles of vodka.

Again, I'm working with guesstimated numbers, but I doubt I'm really too far off. So Dave, do you know something that I dont know? Is HAL getting a really good deal on wine somewhere?

Tim

Tim -

But they'll sell you the bottle of Stoli for $30. That's $10 profit compared to $15 on the wine (the $15 btl sells for $30). In any restaurant, wine is almost always a bigger profit item than booze.

-dave

[dakrewser]

Originally Posted by dakrewser
"I don't give a - well, whatever people normally give - what you do in your cabin, so long as it's within the rules and guidelines of the ship. "


Just out of curiousity... other than your moral outrage at rule breakers in general, can you explain to me how my enjoyment of a contraband bottle of booze in my stateroom adversely affects you ?

Any of you other guardians of moral rectitude are welcome to respond as well, because frankly I just don't get it.

OK, I see it now, you don't follow the rules because you can't rerad! Otherwise how can you ask that question in the same message in which you quote my answer?

Don't bother replying, there's no hope.

[jaguarstyper]

Tim -

But they'll sell you the bottle of Stoli for $30. That's $10 profit compared to $15 on the wine (the $15 btl sells for $30). In any restaurant, wine is almost always a bigger profit item than booze.

-dave

In a restaurant, yes, I would totally agree. But, not many people buy whole bottles of liquor to drink with their meal. I've never bought wine in a restaurant by the glass, always a full bottle.

But, one thing your forgetting is the $15 corkage fee for wine in the restaurant, if you bring your own. HAL wins either way. Thats why they dont care if you bring it aboard. On the other hand, with liquor, they (HAL)know there is no good logistical way to charge a corkage fee to recoup financial losses. So, they ban it altogether.

Thats how I see everything fitting into the theory. And, yet again, its all just a theory. Are we having fun yet? :)

Tim

[ekerr19]

Dave -

I am amazed you are allowing yourself to get dragged into this again. The previous thread isn't even cold yet - and here we go, a 1st time poster or someone mascarading as one - poses the same question.

This is a "no win" situation - those that choose to break the rules will continue to find any and every justification for doing so.

I think the whole purpose of this thread is merely to stir the pot - I for one, am not going to be drawn into this again, especially by the same posters. :)

In my opinion, these folks can do what they want - when HAL starts searching checked bags for smuggled liquor, I hope they go cry elsewhere.

[michmike]

Dave - I thought it was a straightforward question. You're one of the most vocal folks on the various booze threads so clearly it is important to you. I acknowledge that you want ALL the rules followed and that is your right (and ours to disagree with you). Now with the diapers in the pool, the chair hogs and the inappropriate dress in the dining room I can see where you could be affected directly but the smuggled booze in our cabins?

Don't give me the rules are rules and they're ALL inappropriate behavior line.. What is it particularly about the booze that gets under your skin?

If you knew somehow, once on board that there were 30 of us who had smuggled it on, would your trip be ruined? If you could pin down which of us were the guilty parties would you turn us in?

Inquiring minds want to know. Not here to be a pain in the butt... but other than the don't break ANY rules thing I still don't get it.

[dakrewser]

Don't give me the rules are rules and they're ALL inappropriate behavior line.. What is it particularly about the booze that gets under your skin?


I'm sorry, don't you understand English? I spent 15 years in the "imported beverage" industry, I put food on my kids' table by putting wine & liquor on other peoples'. It's not about the booze, it's all about the rules. That's the bottom line.

[michmike]

*laffin* well I guess I'll make sure the maitre d doesn't get US at the same table..

off to exasperate others..

[khfadpi]

I think they don't want you to bring your own liquor/beer because you would be apt to drink more and get drunker and maybe fall over-board. (HAHA)

[FoxyTerrier]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! LOL!!!

DO NOT take your booze to a public area outside your cabin...this is really in poor taste and a big NO NO from the standpoint of shipboard ettiquette.

ROSS...From Somerville!!!

I totally agree if you "sneak" don't take it out of your cabin. If you choose to follow the HAL rules and buy your $25+ 1 liter bottle of rum, vodka or booze of choice from Guest Services or Room Service can you mix a drink and take it with you to the pool or other places outside your cabin?

Last summer on our Noordam Baltic cruise we did this and didn't think twice and at the time didn't think we were violating any rules. We bought rum from Room Service and DP (Darling Parents) bought vodka from Room Service. When we left Stockholm it was a beautiful sail and a great sun set and we took a drink up to the top deck (Sports or Sun - forget what it's called on the Noordam) and grabbed some deck chairs and enjoyed the evening. This beautiful evening was one of the highlights of the cruise too. There was no wait staff from HAL up there - what is shipboard ettiquette in this situation?

[Ballzee]

I'm sorry, don't you understand English? I spent 15 years in the "imported beverage" industry, I put food on my kids' table by putting wine & liquor on other peoples'. It's not about the booze, it's all about the rules. That's the bottom line.

Hypocrite: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue

[Tarkus]

best advice came in the first couple of replies - how to go about doing it - after which it's up to each individual's conscience on whether or not they choose to.

for me, in my checked bag i've taken a quart-size bottle of premium vodka (usually glass double-sealed in watertight bags - and packed in the center with plenty of padding) and about a dozen cans of diet coke on every cruise i've sailed (carnival, princess, premier, and soon to be hal) - strictly for in room consumption (i agree that it's poor form to leave the room with them - when you're out-and-about, buy the ship's product).

to each his own... while debate is fun and lively, it's not likely to change anyone's positions on this subject. :)

[swannie]

You know, I can't help thinking that the booze issue may not be entirely about the profit...though I'm sure that's a big factor. As someone who has worked in fields where my job was to "contain" a certain population of people, I keep thinking about how difficult it would be to manage people's behavior and enforce rules on a ship out on the ocean. It's one thing to be in a land-based hotel where one has the police and paramedics minutes away, but a ship is an isolated environment, like an airplane. It would make perfect sense to me to try to limit the potential for out and out drunkenness on board a ship, since this could obviously lead to dangerous or excalating situations.

[CGTNORMANDIE]

GOOD POINT...That is why they have the "rule"...so they can confiscate it if it is a problem. Again...read the real cruise contract pertaining to illegal/hazardous substances and you will see that the company has the right and jurisdiction to refuse it or deal with it...this is what you are talking about.

I always like to comment on the "Booze Boards" because. invariably, it brings out the black and white folks and the others who are not as rigid...always making for a lively and "spirited" discussion that gives me a chance to speak about "shipboard ettiquette". The cruise experience is actually a compilation of traditions that have come down to us from the time of the square rigged ships of the 15-1600s to the great transatlantic liners of yesterday. I find that when the traditions and customs are observed it makes for a wonderful cruise. Being comfortable and able to enjoy one's own cabin is part of that tradition and adds to the cruise experience.

ROSS

[jaguarstyper]

You know, I can't help thinking that the booze issue may not be entirely about the profit...though I'm sure that's a big factor. As someone who has worked in fields where my job was to "contain" a certain population of people, I keep thinking about how difficult it would be to manage people's behavior and enforce rules on a ship out on the ocean. It's one thing to be in a land-based hotel where one has the police and paramedics minutes away, but a ship is an isolated environment, like an airplane. It would make perfect sense to me to try to limit the potential for out and out drunkenness on board a ship, since this could obviously lead to dangerous or excalating situations.

The only flaw in your logic is that you can call up room service and order as many bottles of liquor you want. Or, you can bring 6 crates of wine and champagne onboard, unquestioned.

HAL makes NO effort to limit the potential for out and out drunkeness onboard its ships whatsoever.

Tim

[swannie]

I understand that. But I'm assuming that hard liquor bought on board is more expensive than what one can buy at the local liquor store? (I don't know, we didn't try it). And while people certainly can get plenty drunk on wine and champagne, they can get drunker quicker with hard liquor. I know that they don't actually try and prevent people from getting intoxicated on board, I was just pointing out that by making drinking on board expensive it is at least a partial deterrent, puts the brakes on so to speak.

[HeatherInFlorida]

And while people certainly can get plenty drunk on wine and champagne, they can get drunker quicker with hard liquor. I know that they don't actually try and prevent people from getting intoxicated on board, I was just pointing out that by making drinking on board expensive it is at least a partial deterrent, puts the brakes on so to speak.

I don't want to join this debate (again:eek: ) since it's gone on ad nauseum, but the statement above is untrue. Ask any skid row bum with empty bottle of cheap wine.

[anngie]

Heather, I think you are correct about wine and a person can get just as intoxicated with beer. I have been on over 20 cruises. We stopped counting several years ago. I have never once seen a drunk person on a ship. The longest cruise we ever took was 14 days. IMHO I don't think it matters whether a person brings alcohol from home or on a ship they will behave the same way. Why does anyone care what someone else brings in their luggage unless it is something that could do harm to other people?

[Ballzee]

Why does anyone care what someone else brings in their luggage unless it is something that could do harm to other people?

Nicely said!

[dakrewser]

Why does anyone care what someone else brings in their luggage unless it is something that could do harm to other people?

Well, I can harm someone rather severely with a necktie, should that be forbidden?

[dakrewser]

Why does anyone care what someone else brings in their luggage unless it is something that could do harm to other people?

Well, I can harm someone rather severely with a necktie, should that be forbidden?

[anngie]

Somehow, I don't think that necktie that you pack will be confiscated or will show up on the scanner as a weapon. I was thinking more in terms of a gun or a bomb. I don't think any of those people who packed a bottle of liquor were planning to do any harm to anyone with it.
This is getting pretty silly.

[dakrewser]

This is getting pretty silly.

Oh, it was silly long before this. It's fascinating to see the gyrations people will go through in order to justify their anti-social actions! :)

[Ballzee]

Oh, it was silly long before this. It's fascinating to see the gyrations people will go through in order to justify their anti-social actions! :)

It's fascinating to see the gyrations people (or person) will go through in order to keep this thread going. Try to get out of the house a little this weekend, the weather is quite nice.

Oh, by the way, I brought booze onboard. Will do it again. Probably more than last time.

[stanford's girl]

All this talk is making me thirsty!! Martini's anyone???:D

[TYMAN]

I'm in!!!! Wait, I already have one! :D

[stanford's girl]

ME TOO!!!!!!!:D

[jaguarstyper]

Try to get out of the house a little this weekend, the weather is quite nice.

LOL, are you kidding?! Its been snowing continuously here for about a week. And there's no end in sight.

I agree, its time for a drink. I just uncorked a Super-Tuscan and have settled in next to a blazing fire with my laptop computer.

I think I'll gyrate and reply to every post on the board. Its going to be a long night. :D

Bumpity bump bump bump

Tim

[dakrewser]

I agree, its time for a drink. I just uncorked a Super-Tuscan and have settled in next to a blazing fire with my laptop computer.

And I just opened a 2001 Le Cigare Volant from Bonny Doon. Slainte!

[jaguarstyper]

And I just opened a 2001 Le Cigare Volant from Bonny Doon. Slainte!

Nice! Unfortunately, its not available here in PA. However, we did smuggle some up from a trip to the Carolinas a while back. Its a mighty fine wine. Cant uncork it though ;)

Slainte, indeed!

Tim

[michmike]

Oh, it was silly long before this. It's fascinating to see the gyrations people will go through in order to justify their anti-social actions!


Or the lengths they will go to pontificate (at 11 of 71 posts in this thread.. *S*)

[Bfson]

There are certain actions that are inherently evil (what the law profs call malum in se) and there are those things that, while not inherenlty evil, are nevertheless prohibited by law (what they call malum prohibitum) . The anti-alcohol policy is in this second classification. Certainly taking alcohol on a cruise ship is against the rules of the cruise line; but it hardly qualifies as anti-social behavior. In any event, how you feel about obeying rules probably will govern your conduct. Since the downside risk is simply confiscation of the alcohol, I suspect many will continue to participate in the conduct. So be it, but please don't try to rationalize it into being proper/acceptable behavior.

[Bfson]

I don't want to join this debate (again:eek: ) since it's gone on ad nauseum, but the statement above is untrue. Ask any skid row bum with empty bottle of cheap wine.

Heather-I'm sory but you're wrong. The alcohol level in a shot of hard liquor has lots more alcohol in it than a shot from a bottle of cheap Thunderbird type wino wine. So glass for glass a person will become intoxicated much sooner on hard liquor than on Champagne or wine. You can get loaded on any of them but the blood alcohol level of .06 will happen faster on hard (higher proof) liquor.

[xpcdoojk]

And I just opened a 2001 Le Cigare Volant from Bonny Doon. Slainte!

Mine has a twist off cap, kinda hard to get used to, but I think it is a growing trend. We had a birthday party for a good friend at a favorite local restaurant. We had in round one a Chateau St Jean Cing se pag. Then Coppola Cask, and my traveling buddy Shelby got stuck with the third bottle a Super Tuscan that I had turned down when I ordered the coppola he had only heard the waiter describe it, but didn't hear the pricing. It was $250. Ouch. His wife had sticker shock when they got the bill. It is hell going to dinner with wine snobs. I was the cheapskate out of the 3 couples other than the fourth couple who didn't order wine, but drank ours, as mine was $99.99 the Cing was $105.

The waiter had a very good night.

jc

[xpcdoojk]

Heather-I'm sory but you're wrong. The alcohol level in a shot of hard liquor has lots more alcohol in it than a shot from a bottle of cheap Thunderbird type wino wine. So glass for glass a person will become intoxicated much sooner on hard liquor than on Champagne or wine. You can get loaded on any of them but the blood alcohol level of .06 will happen faster on hard (higher proof) liquor.

Ummm... not really, alcohol doesn't care if it is 80 proof (40%) or Everclear 190 proof (95%), Wine 28 proof (14%) or beer 10 proof (5%) . The alcohol in each is identical. it is just the volume of alcohol consumed that matters. IE there is more alcohol in a class of bourbon 80 proof than the equal amount of wine 28 proof, but a class of wine, is pretty much identical to a shot of bourbon. In other words 5 classes of wine will get you equally drunk as 5 shots of bourbon. The alcohol doesn't care what it is mixed with. It isn't that smart.:D :rolleyes: :p

jc

[CDRMark]

Please let this die.
Cheers
MarkB

[xpcdoojk]

I am willing to let it die!:D Especially since I spelled glasses with a c... it is Monday morning, and the brain is just not working correctly, yet! ;)


jc

[Bfson]

And besides, your spelling was better than your logic.

[Bfson]

And finallly, for anyone who still cares:

http://www.standarddrinks.com/tool.asp

A two ounce serving of hard liquor has more alcohol in it than a two ounce serving glass of wine.

[xpcdoojk]

And finallly, for anyone who still cares:

http://www.standarddrinks.com/tool.asp

A two ounce serving of hard liquor has more alcohol in it than a two ounce serving glass of wine.

Yes, my logic said that already.

80 proof has a lot more alcohol than 28 proof in equal volume, but the issue isn't how much proof alcohol is in what you drink, but the total amount of alcohol consumed.

So, a 1-1/2 oz shot ( a jigger) of alcohol has .6 of an ounce of alcohol and a 6 oz glass of wine has .84 of an ounce of alcohol. If I drink a glass of wine for every shot of bourbon you drink at the end of 5 drinks I will have consumed more alcohol than you; actually, I will be about 2 drinks ahead of you. All things being equal (ceterus parabus) I will be more drunk than you will. Again, I thought you were done with this?:rolleyes: :D :p

jc

[dakrewser]

For gosh sakes, let it go! You're both right, OK?


Move along now, nothing to see here, folks. :rolleyes:

[Bfson]

You're backtracing and changing your position. My point was that ounce for ounce, you will get drunk sooner on hard liquor than on wine. Contrary to your first post, that statement is true. You've now altered it to start talking about average servings. That's a whole different topic and not one I commented on. You didn't read my first post carefully enough.

[xpcdoojk]

You're backtracing and changing your position. My point was that ounce for ounce, you will get drunk sooner on hard liquor than on wine. Contrary to your first post, that statement is true. You've now altered it to start talking about average servings. That's a whole different topic and not one I commented on. You didn't read my first post carefully enough.

Dave I will quit as soon as Bob quits saying ... Wrong!:D ;)

Here is my original post....

Ummm... not really, alcohol doesn't care if it is 80 proof (40%) or Everclear 190 proof (95%), Wine 28 proof (14%) or beer 10 proof (5%) . The alcohol in each is identical. it is just the volume of alcohol consumed that matters. IE there is more alcohol in a class of bourbon 80 proof than the equal amount of wine 28 proof, but a class of wine, is pretty much identical to a shot of bourbon. In other words 5 classes of wine will get you equally drunk as 5 shots of bourbon. The alcohol doesn't care what it is mixed with. It isn't that smart.

That was my post, and outside of class instead of glass I will stand with it. Therefore, I am not calling Bob Foster Wrong, but I am declaring that I am right!:D :D

It is not rocket science, and it really is understood by almost all of us. So I am officially finished. Sorry, again Dave! hee hee, snort.... I can't quit giggling! This got pretty silly didn't it? sigh.....

jc