I have worn jeans to the MDR for dinner

[big green]

How many have and have not.

[CruiserBruce]

Oh boy, more popcorn.....:D

[tip]

I am a guy and have never worn jeans to dinner in the MDR and voted accordingly. Not wearing jeans is my choice. I have absolutely no problem with anyone else who chooses to wear them.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Neither of us has ever worn jeans to the dining room.

In fact -- we don't even own any.

[kazu]

no jeans for me - just because I prefer other things - no problem if you want to though:D

[Globaliser]

Oh boy, more popcornIndeed: How does one spell O - B - S - E - S - S - I - O - N ?

[KirkNC]

Me no, my daughter yes, she calls them "dress jeans".

Kirk

[gelo7]

In can't wrap my brain around wearing jeans in the hot Caribbean.

[jtl513]

I don't wear jeans period ... but if I did I'd have no qualms about wearing them to the MDR on casual nights.

[Randyk47]

Never have, never will and it's not that I'm against jeans. Got a pair on right now but I'm not on a cruise.

[soldham]

In can't wrap my brain around wearing jeans in the hot Caribbean.

There are cruises to other parts of the world you know ;)

[1 HappyCruiser]

In can't wrap my brain around wearing jeans in the hot Caribbean.

Last time I checked they've installed air conditioning on the ships. ;)

[cruisin crazy in Michigan]

Even though they have A/C, jeans would be too hot for me physically and mentally! I have white jeans and can't even wear them!

[jbhcw]

No jeans for me...way too hot in the Caribbean...and too heavy. Only wear them in the coldest months here in NC. Now if I lived in California...guess I would have to change....seems that everyone wears them:p and I am originally from there:D

No objection to them at all on a ship...but it's just not my first choice in clothing anymore.

[George C]

nope, I have seen many others do it ( I can see it for last nite since that seems more casual )

[Homala]

I've worn jeans in the MDR on my first and only cruise on HAL and I plan on bringing jeans on my cruise next month. But my jeans are very nice. Very dark blue or white, nice cut, no frays. My MIL - who HATES all jeans - commented on how nice my "slacks" look when I've worn them around her - she couldn't even tell that they were jeans. That being said, I have no problem with others who wear jeans that LOOK like jeans, so long as they're nice, clean, well-fitting, etc. And also, I found the dining room to be rather cool at night (on my cruise to Mexico), so I wasn't hot at all.

[Boytjie]

I have worn jeans, but then again I have been mostly on charters and they have a much more relaxed dress code. :D

As far as jeans being hot: there are some that are very thin, about the same weight as khakis would be.

[Putterdude]

I love jeans but I would never wear them in the MDR but some people, particularly younger women, look good in a nice pair of jeans and I have no problem if they want to wear them in the MDR.

[cruisinjudy]

I didn't vote. I don't think I have worn them to dinner, but I am not sure. I wear jeans a lot and my black jeans look more like slacks, so it is possible that I may have worn them. Being almost six feet tall i find it easier to find jeans long enough than to find slacks so I wear jeans a lot. It is cool to cold quite often here in Oregon.

[RuthC]

Someone who so often posts that there are too many dress code threads starts another dress code thread.
Gotta love the irony.

But to answer the question---
No, I would never wear jeans to dinner. I would never wear jeans. I want to be comfortable, and jeans aren't going to do that for me.

[Time For Dreaming]

No way no how have we ever worn jeans anywhere on a ship in the evening. Doesn't matter how nice the jeans or how well someone looks in them, they are still jeans. Maybe for the first and last nights okay because of luggage issues, but even so...This is one of our pet peeves about cruising. But then again, we are from an older era.

[Sea King]

for what it's worth .. my vote is a loud NO to wearing jeans in the MDR:mad:

not only does it goes against the stated dress policy of HAL but it's just plain insulting to other pax and the staff of the MDR

IMHO, it's enough already

either dress appropriately or quite frankly, go some place else

if the justification is that "it's my vacation and I'll do what I want and dress how I'd like", then opt for an island .. a far far far away Island

[1 HappyCruiser]

for what it's worth .. my vote is a loud NO to wearing jeans in the MDR:mad:

not only does it goes against the stated dress policy of HAL but it's just plain insulting to other pax and the staff of the MDR

IMHO, it's enough already

either dress appropriately or quite frankly, go some place else

if the justification is that "it's my vacation and I'll do what I want and dress how I'd like", then opt for an island .. a far far far away Island

Yep and it's the islands that the ship brings us to. ;)

[Sea King]

Yep and it's the islands that the ship brings us to. ;)

only if it's a port:)

I meant an "island vacation" .. works this way: go to airport, take plane, get off at island, stay on island (including dining, swimming, gambling and tours) .. then go back to airport, get on plane and get off at airport (preferably with luggage):D:D

[Boytjie]

not only does it goes against the stated dress policy of HAL but it's just plain insulting to other pax and the staff of the MDR


Can you please provide the part of the dress code that bans jeans? Thanks.

[mr green]

Judging by this, and past posts be 'BIG GREEN', it seems to me that his its trying to destroy HAL's reputation, as a cruise line that is a 'cut above' several other lines, including Gig Green's favorite NCL.
Please Big Green do us all a favor, and leave HAL alone!!!

john

[Boytjie]

It' absolutly disgusting to wear jeans at night on a cruise ship, STAY HOME!!

Is it OK to bring your own beer onboard while wearing jeans? :rolleyes:

[Sea King]

Can you please provide the part of the dress code that bans jeans? Thanks.

the dress code in part states "On smart casual nights .. expect the type of attire you'd see at a country club or upscale resort. It is requested that no T-shirts, jeans, swim suits, tank tops or shorts be worn in public areas after 6 p.m"

like any "policy statement", you an always find a way to argue that jeans are NOT BANNED!!

especially designer brand jeans!!:eek:

my response to that is simple: and if jeans were banned, that wouldn't stop those who could care less about simple courtesy and respect for other pax

enough said ..

especially since I really don't like popcorn .. even for free:D

[taxmantoo]

Is it OK to bring your own beer onboard while wearing jeans? :rolleyes:

I can't see why not...the guys loading HAL's beer on board are probably wearing jeans also! :D

[lvz2cruz]

[quote=Sea King;31087225]the dress code in part states "On smart casual nights .. expect the type of attire you'd see at a country club or upscale resort. It is requested that no T-shirts, jeans, swim suits, tank tops or shorts be worn in public areas after 6 p.m"

like any "policy statement", you an always find a way to argue that jeans are NOT BANNED!!

especially designer brand jeans!!:eek:

my response to that is simple: and if jeans were banned, that wouldn't stop those who could care less about simple courtesy and respect for other pax


Here is the current dress code from the HAL site:
T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours.

You will notice it has been modified to allow jeans.

I have not worn jeans in the MDR--not because it is not allowed-- you can see it is--but because we like to dress up as a family going to a nice meal. I have no problem with others wearing them and it I did it would be MY problem because HAL has decided to allow it.
Time to move on.

[Boytjie]

the dress code in part states "On smart casual nights .. expect the type of attire you'd see at a country club or upscale resort. It is requested that no T-shirts, jeans, swim suits, tank tops or shorts be worn in public areas after 6 p.m"

Where are you getting that information? This is what is on the HAL website:

[ Is There A Dress Code?

The right clothing can make a big difference in the enjoyment of your cruise. First and foremost, dress for comfort. Daily life aboard ship and in ports of call is relaxed and casual. Warmer climates call for clothing made of lightweight, breathable fabrics. For cooler climates, we suggest casual clothes that can be layered easily and possibly a raincoat and waterproof hat or umbrella and gloves. Certain shore excursions may require particular attention to clothing. For example, certain churches or other places of worship may not allow tank tops or short pants. Bring a swimsuit as all of our ships have pools and whirlpools. You may wish to bring more than one outfit for the water. We ask that you wear shoes and a cover-up over a bathing suit when walking through the interior of the ship. If you would like to jog on the sports deck or work out in the fitness center, bring workout gear. Footwear should include comfortable walking shoes for visits ashore and sandals or rubber-soled shoes for strolling on deck.



Evening dress falls into two distinct categories: Formal or Smart Casual. Smart Casual can be defined as slacks and collared shirts for men and casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear for women. T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours. On festive Formal evenings, ladies usually wear a suit, cocktail dress or gown and gentlemen wear a jacket and tie, dark suit or tuxedo. There are approximately two formal nights per week.


In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America Line asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening.



like any "policy statement", you an always find a way to argue that jeans are NOT BANNED!!

especially designer brand jeans!!:eek:

my response to that is simple: and if jeans were banned, that wouldn't stop those who could care less about simple courtesy and respect for other pax

But jeans aren't banned...

[Homala]

It's comments like: "If you want to wear jeans then STAY HOME" or "go to an island far, far away" that really stirs the pots on these threads. IMO, those comments are far more rude than "it's my vacation." Especially when those people flat out lie and say that it's in HAL's rules not to wear jeans at night.

Thank goodness I've never encountered people like that face-to-face. They only bear their teeth on boards like this.

My DH is an executive and I work in a law office. We go to many special events, charity events, the symphony, etc. We dress up quite nice on formal nights - tux for DH and gowns for me. I'm a size 2 - not that it should matter - but if I wear my dark or white designer jeans, with heels and a gorgeous blouse to the MDR on smart casual, I'm willing to bet that I'll look nicer than many of the folk who think they're dressing up in dockers and golf shirts.

You know what is truly ugly? Someone who tells me not to sail on HAL because of the clothes I wear.

[piscesgal223]

The worst one for me was one poster saying that the only place shorts should be worn is in ones' stateroom. Yes,I have mentioned this before.Why?Because it's so redangdiculous.And I do NOT think they were kidding.

[surfergirle]

If I can't get into a nice club in California or NY, (supper club or dance club) with jeans on, I am not going to wear them into the MDR.

We are young, and I have many pairs of dress jeans that are very upscale, and I wear them with heels and a sequined top.

Still, if they don't belong in a nice club, I will not wear them in the MDR.
As well, our country club does not allow them in the MDR.

[Keith Rita]

For us it's a no and no, or should it be a know and know better?

[ASIWISH]

Like many things, I think if someone has to ask the question then they already know the answer.

My belief is that it would be in bad taste to wear jeans in the MDR... and, I believe that would be almost universally agreed with.

[g-didi]

I did not vote as I have yet to sail. If I were to vote add me to the "women - yes" category. I would wear what I consider appropriate dress jeans as there is no restriction on them from HAL.

All this talk of being insulting, disrespectful and in bad taste seems highly judgemental to me. Certainly you can have your opinion and choose not to wear jeans, but to be so highly offended by someone else's choice seems just too much energy spent for me. (perhaps there is an age divide in this regard) I would never take someones choice of pants so personally - even if I thought they were the ugliest pants ever - and they certainly would not ruin my evening.

I plan to enjoy myself regardless of my table mates choice of pants.

[1 HappyCruiser]

Seems to me that there are many more judgmental people who sail HAL than other cruise lines. :rolleyes:

[tip]

My belief is that it would be in bad taste to wear jeans in the MDR... and, I believe that would be almost universally agreed with.

I believe (and so do many others) that you are wrong.;)

[Essiesmom]

I have, but rarely, and only because we were quite late returning from a shore excursion. EM

[sagiv666]

How many have and have not.

There are cruise lines that have nothing against one coming to dinner as they desire. Holland America caters to a clientele that pefer dressing up on formal nights, and looking good without jeans on "smart casual" nights. Many years ago, when my first wife (killed in 1984) worked for Holland America, we were invited to meet with the Captain and his wife the last day of our cruise. At that time, the Captain indicated how much he would have liked to wear shorts as did the Captain on the TV show "Love Boat", but his superiors indicated this was forbidden.
Times change in so many ways, and since so many lines have cruises to the same ports of call, why doesn't one who likes to wear jeans for dinner choose a line where seating is more casual? This "live and let live" policy would consider the feelings of everyone.:eek:

[HeatherInFlorida]

Sheer poppycock to draw the line witih the word "jeans" because there are "bluejeans" or "dungarees" (those would be a no-no) and then there are jeans and it has nothing to do with whether they are "designer" or not. I have jeans that I defy anyone to figure out they are jeans or just a nice pair of pants; particularly white ones. Whether I would wear them or not would depend on whether I felt like it.

I have seen people far better dressed in "jeans" than people in some other sort of pants made out of heaven knows what. HAL may have decided to draw the line with the word "jeans", but I have an argument with it in a time when it is no longer a style so much as a fabric.

On casual nights in the dining room I would not hesitate to wear jeans with a really nice top and jacket. I don't think a single person would be offended at my appearance.

[ASIWISH]

This is how Emily Post defines "dress codes". I guess it would depend on how you define a non-formal night in the Main Dining Room (Business Casual, Dressy Casual, Casual).

Does this open up more discussion? I would, not speaking for others:), consider Emily an expert...


Business Casual*

Men

Seasonal sport coat or blazer with slacks or khakis
dress shirt with optional tie, or casual button-down shirt
open-collar or polo shirt
loafers or loafer-style shoes and socks
Women

Skirt, khakis or pants
open-collar shirt, knit shirt, or sweater
(no spaghetti straps or decolleté)
casual-style dress
Dressy Casual

Men

Seasonal sport coat or blazer and slacks
dress shirt, casual button-down shirt
optional tie
open-collar or polo shirt
Women

Dress
skirt and dressy top
dressy pants outfit
nice jeans and dressy top
Casual

Men

Khakis or good jeans (clean, no holes)
cargo or Bermuda shorts—depending on occasion and climate
plain t-shirt (no slogans), polo shirt, or turtleneck
casual button-down shirt
sweater
loafers, sneakers (with or without socks), or sandals
Women

Sundress
long or short skirt
khakis or nice jeans
shorts (depending on occasion and climate)
plain t-shirt (no slogans), polo shirt, or turtleneck
casual button-down blouse

[big green]

There are cruise lines that have nothing against one coming to dinner as they desire. Holland America caters to a clientele that pefer dressing up on formal nights, and looking good without jeans on "smart casual" nights. Many years ago, when my first wife (killed in 1984) worked for Holland America, we were invited to meet with the Captain and his wife the last day of our cruise. At that time, the Captain indicated how much he would have liked to wear shorts as did the Captain on the TV show "Love Boat", but his superiors indicated this was forbidden.
Times change in so many ways, and since so many lines have cruises to the same ports of call, why doesn't one who likes to wear jeans for dinner choose a line where seating is more casual? This "live and let live" policy would consider the feelings of everyone.:eek:

Jeans are officially ok in the MDR on non formal nights on Holland America that is why.

BG

[ASIWISH]

gender and age definitely will sway the poll one way or another--especially age in the female category--however it is not universal one way or the other
as you stated.

BG
I agree, Big Green... I was reading this as a man, and stand by my belief. It would be appropriate, in my mind, for a woman to wear dressy jean (white, black, etc...) in the MDR for a non-formal night.

I stand "somewhat" corrected.

[iancal]

Am I supposed to care about what Emily Post has to say?????

Not in this lifetime! At least not until she starts paying for our cruises. Then we may listen.

[Shebba]

I have never worn jeans in the MDR, neither has DH. However, I really don't mind at all if someone chooses to do so. I'm there for the fun, not for the drama!! :p

[sail7seas]

Neither DH nor I have ever worn jeans to dinner on any HAL ship and have no immediate plans to do so.

I used to think it bothered me for people to wear jeans to dinner but it no longer does.
I don't really care....... wear them, don't wear them. Whatever.......... :D

[ASIWISH]

Alright, alright... so it appears that I have inadvertently given some of you the opportunity to pounce on my post... Some people never cease to amaze me.. but, I did laugh at the majority of them.

Please allow me to clarify:

It is my belief that it would be in bad taste for a man to wear jeans in the MDR on a non-formal night. Simply my opinion - which is the entire point of a discussion board, by the way, to give opinions. It just seems strange to me that some people want to drive people off a thread, when the point should be to attract people to a thread... my opinion.

I realize it is allowed by HAL... but, I stand firm that it is in bad taste. I never said you couldn't, and I would never tell you not to. Do what you want... it's your vacation.

As for the "universally" term: What I "meant" to say was that I expected most people to vote the way I did.... by a very large margin.

So go ahead, continue to pile on... just wanted to clarify.

[Shebba]

I guess the only thing that would really bother me is if someone DOESN'T wear pants of some kind. LOL!!

[sail7seas]

This is true.......

We have a poster of many years who comes to this site and some here will know about whom I am referring....... :)

There were many of us from CC saililng on Noordam some years ago.
One casual night, this gentleman appeared for dinner in MDR wearing fresh from the dry cleaner, pressed to a knife edge crease on each leg jeans, a starched 'designer' long sleeve handsome shirt and gorgeous, finely tailored, perfectly fitting velvet sports jacket and freshly polished loafers. He looked the best of just about everyone in that dining room. It was that night I decided to stop say "Ney' to jeans in the dining room. When someone can look as good as he did, someone would be more inappropriate denying him to wear that ensemble than he looked wearing it.

JMO.....


(let's see how long until someone comes here and identifies who is the handsome dresser to whom I refer .... :D )

[RuthC]

(let's see how long until someone comes here and identifies who is the handsome dresser to whom I refer .... :D )
Too easy, sail. It was Brian. That blue velvet blazer was gorgeous, and he was too that night (and every other, iirc). I can't recall if he wore an ascot? Do you? I know he wasn't wearing a tie, and yet I think he had something???

[piscesgal223]

I guess the only thing that would really bother me is if someone DOESN'T wear pants of some kind. LOL!!


Exactly!

[sail7seas]

Too easy, sail. It was Brian. That blue velvet blazer was gorgeous, and he was too that night (and every other, iirc). I can't recall if he wore an ascot? Do you? I know he wasn't wearing a tie, and yet I think he had something???


I KNEW it would be you, Ruth. :) I almost put that sentence there to 'urge' you out. :)

He looked GREAT and I'm wondering if maybe he wore a pocket scarf/handkerchief but I don't remember an ascot.

[fann1sh]

OK...so...I've been away for a couple days, and maybe I missed something that inspired this thread.

But, is there a reason this isn't on the fashion board?

I mean, isn't this sort of like asking "Who - man or woman - has worn a navy blazer in the MDR (not on formal night)?"

HAL once deemed jeans unacceptable for the MDR for dinner. Now (non formal nights) they don't.

So, obviously, this can't be a dress code thread. It's a fashion preference discussion. Which can be fun. But - why here?

[jcrandle]

Forgive me, but I can't resist trying to interject a bit of humor into this very serious question about jeans, but I have a puzzler of my own.

How can you tell boy chromosomes from girl chromosomes?



You have to look in their genes!:D

We now return you to your scheduled discussion.

[Chivalrygirl]

Someone who so often posts that there are too many dress code threads starts another dress code thread.
Gotta love the irony.

But to answer the question---
No, I would never wear jeans to dinner. I would never wear jeans. I want to be comfortable, and jeans aren't going to do that for me.

Hmmmmm. can't help but wonder why? :confused:

[piscesgal223]

OK...so...I've been away for a couple days, and maybe I missed something that inspired this thread.

But, is there a reason this isn't on the fashion board?

I mean, isn't this sort of like asking "Who - man or woman - has worn a navy blazer in the MDR (not on formal night)?"

HAL once deemed jeans unacceptable for the MDR for dinner. Now (non formal nights) they don't.

So, obviously, this can't be a dress code thread. It's a fashion preference discussion. Which can be fun. But - why here?


Good point....why fill the HAL boards with thread upon thread of the same discussions about dress codes and what is and isn't formal,whether jeans are acceptable on non-formal nights, you get the idea.

[Himself]

How many have and have not.

I have not and I will not wear jeans into the main dining room.

[HeatherInFlorida]

................
My belief is that it would be in bad taste to wear jeans in the MDR... and, I believe that would be almost universally agreed with.

I agree, Big Green... I was reading this as a man, and stand by my belief. It would be appropriate, in my mind, for a woman to wear dressy jean (white, black, etc...) in the MDR for a non-formal night.

I stand "somewhat" corrected.

Good:). Because when you first wrote that your opinion would be "universally agreed with", I was just getting ready to take issue. I don't think any of us here can speak universally:D. I'm glad you gave it a second thought.

I don't think what someone wears in the dining room is the key to whether it's appropriate or not. It's how they come off overall as Sail mentioned above. It's not about whether it's jeans or not ... it's how the person carries off the whole look. There are people who could pull off silk pajamas in the dining room ... in fact I'm betting Brian could:D.

One of my favorite quotes comes to mind ....

"Those Who Matter Don't Mind, And Those Who Mind Don't Matter".

[surfergirle]

I agree,
The Post family are the experts in etiquette.
BUT* a fine outfit, is a fine outfit, no matter how/what is worn. I just choose to not.



This is how Emily Post defines "dress codes". I guess it would depend on how you define a non-formal night in the Main Dining Room (Business Casual, Dressy Casual, Casual).

Does this open up more discussion? I would, not speaking for others:), consider Emily an expert...


Business Casual*


Men

Seasonal sport coat or blazer with slacks or khakis
dress shirt with optional tie, or casual button-down shirt
open-collar or polo shirt
loafers or loafer-style shoes and socks
Women

Skirt, khakis or pants
open-collar shirt, knit shirt, or sweater
(no spaghetti straps or decolleté)
casual-style dress
Dressy Casual


Men

Seasonal sport coat or blazer and slacks
dress shirt, casual button-down shirt
optional tie
open-collar or polo shirt
Women

Dress
skirt and dressy top
dressy pants outfit
nice jeans and dressy top
Casual


Men

Khakis or good jeans (clean, no holes)
cargo or Bermuda shorts—depending on occasion and climate
plain t-shirt (no slogans), polo shirt, or turtleneck
casual button-down shirt
sweater
loafers, sneakers (with or without socks), or sandals
Women

Sundress
long or short skirt
khakis or nice jeans
shorts (depending on occasion and climate)
plain t-shirt (no slogans), polo shirt, or turtleneck
casual button-down blouse

[jiminyC_fan]

Am I supposed to care about what Emily Post has to say?????

Not in this lifetime! At least not until she starts paying for our cruises. Then we may listen.

Love it

[iancal]

I am all mixed up. I always thought that it was the busybody Fashion Police who had the final say on what was/is appropriate attire on HAL cruises.

This reference to Emily Post is disturbing to me. Does this mean that that all those nosey nellies now have to take a back seat to Emily? Trouble in River City?

[Robin7]

Yes, I have. I like jeans. ::shrug:: I prefer a skirt though. More stretch in the waistband. :p

Your mileage (and choices) may vary.

Robin

[Jean1946]

I'll be the one in the MDR with my TIARA and JEANS on. I might even throw in a hot pink feather boa. If you don't like it, then as Flo (Mel's Diner) used to say - kiss my grits. LOL!

[Cruising-along]

Although we're always in jeans here at home, we've never brought jeans on a cruise -- just our preference! I don't care if others are wearing jeans, I don't even notice.

What I would notice and be bothered by would be rude, obnoxious behavior. And that I've seen many times -- by "well-dressed" PAX too.

[sagiv666]

Jeans are officially ok in the MDR on non formal nights on Holland America that is why.

BG

Reading Holland America's views on the dress code, there is nothing to say jeans are forbidden on "smart casual" nights. If you are taking this to mean that by default jeans are OK, that's your business. I don't want to continue arguing about this point; there are more important considerations for the cruise.:eek:

[Viesczy]

What about a kilt, made of denim or not, does that pass the old etiquette guidelines? Like say I wanna go all Braveheart, sans the blue paint on my face as I'm not a sawed off hack Aussie actor who wants to look like a rodeo clown, is that kilt okay or will the fashion police give me a demerit? ;):D

Personally I don't mind the attire of anyone, it is their actions that illustrate quality more so than the threads they choose to adorn themselves with for a particular event. An ill tempered yob in a tux is still only an ill tempered yob, but in a tux. A remorseless harridan in a gown is still a remorseless harridan, but in a gown.

A lady or a gentleman in a pair of jeans is still a lady or gentleman, but in a pair of jeans. The fact that they are a lady or a gentleman is what matters, not the threads they're covering themselves with at a certain time. Sadly, it is that fact which is often given no regard.

Now have I worn jeans to the MDR on any boat? No. After working myself in to contest shape, I'm going to show off my X frame in taper cut shirts and slacks, or a suit! Watch out ladies!

I will say that sandals have no place on a man's foot except for a jaunt to the beach though...

Derek

[piscesgal223]

I bet you they probably DO make denim kilts. The dress code quandries that that presents are many.:D

[Shebba]

Personally I don't mind the attire of anyone, it is their actions that illustrate quality more so than the threads they choose to adorn themselves with for a particular event. An ill tempered yob in a tux is still only an ill tempered yob, but in a tux. A remorseless harridan in a gown is still a remorseless harridan, but in a gown.

Derek

Amen to this, Derek. A very dear friend of mine once said, "You can put a fur coat on a penguin, but it's STILL a &*#!@ penguin!!"

[ASIWISH]

"You can put a fur coat on a penguin, but it's STILL a &*#!@ penguin!!"

Well, out of fairness, a Penguin is ALWAYS dressed appropriately...

[Typhoon1]

We have both done it.

[Copper10-8]

And here I thought jeans are only worn on the farm:cool:

[SwissMyst]

Seems to me that there are many more judgmental people who sail HAL than other cruise lines. :rolleyes:

Said judgmentally. :rolleyes:

[piscesgal223]

The people who judge what others wear and feel they have to be the arbiters of good taste are the ones that are judgmental.:mad:

[Vic The Parrot]

What's worse than jeans? :confused:


Better jeans, than strolling into the room wearing a bathrobe ...

[chipmaster]

I'd love to see a post of everyone in their casual non jeans and some of them jean wears too.

IMHO what is in the clothes is as important as the clothes :D

[Copper10-8]

What's worse than jeans? :confused:


Better jeans, than strolling into the room wearing a bathrobe ...

That's another hot topic for some................but you already knew that one!;)

[DizzyDallasDi]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. As you snicker at me, I will be noting that you would look out of place in my clothes because they wouldn't suit your body style.

I have my flame retardant suit at the ready.

[Copper10-8]

[DizzyDallasDi]..............................
Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. ..................................[/quote]

Got pics?;)

[COLLEYBERRY]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. As you snicker at me, I will be noting that you would look out of place in my clothes because they wouldn't suit your body style.

I have my flame retardant suit at the ready.


'Cause the bottom line is... well dressed, is well dressed.:) I'll bet you looked fabulous .... nothing like a beautifully cut pair of jeans to enchance a lady's silouette...not for everyone, but if you can pull off the look .'.rock on' sister friend.:)

[kazu]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. As you snicker at me, I will be noting that you would look out of place in my clothes because they wouldn't suit your body style.

I have my flame retardant suit at the ready.

I don't think anyone would be snickering at you:) Those who have the figure for jeans look terrific in them. :D

[iancal]

DizzyDallasDi hit the nail on the head.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

...................

Such an excellent post, DDD! And anyone picturing jeans "down on the farm" haven't seen the kind of jeans we're talking about. No one is suggesting you show up at dinner in farm attire. You can either carry off the look or you can't, but don't d*** the people who can.

Some people are so "stuck" in a certain belief that they just can't accept anything new. Jeans simply aren't what they once were; they're not all dungarees. I'm not sure it's generational so much as the ability to shift with the wind and accept new fashion trends. It's good for the soul and keeps you young at the same time.:D (I should know). Rigidity ages a person and causes wrinkles, too;)

[Globaliser]

A lady or a gentleman in a pair of jeans is still a lady or gentleman, but in a pair of jeans. The fact that they are a lady or a gentleman is what matters, not the threads they're covering themselves with at a certain time.On a superficial level, yes.

However, there are people who wear jeans (or whatever) in deliberate non-compliance with what the cruise line has courteously requested, on the grounds that "I am doing it because I want to do it, and I don't give a stuff about what I've been asked to do".

Those people's attire speaks volumes for what's inside their clothes. Ladies and gentlemen? I think we can all come to our own conclusions as to whether true ladies and gentlemen would ever adopt such an attitude.

[babyher]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. As you snicker at me, I will be noting that you would look out of place in my clothes because they wouldn't suit your body style.

I have my flame retardant suit at the ready.


Very well said DI.

Having a DD in the fashion industry, and a DW who does her best to single handedly support said industry *LOL* My home is inundated with magazines showing whats hot and whats not , and who is wearing what.

Like they say , when you got it , you got it . When you don't , the most fantastic looking creation can still make you look like the provebial 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag.

[ASIWISH]

For every one of these...
http://latestfashionupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/new-white-jeans-2011-jeans-1.jpg


... there is one of these.
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/757/757494/hillbilly-jim-interview-20070122041104368_640w.jpg


That's why i like guidelines CLEARY laid out....:D

[innlady1]

LOL...I knew immediately that you were referring to Brian, Sail! That man knows how to dress!! :D

[PatsyAnne]

Silly question for me. By the time during the cruise I'm ready to wear jeans to the MDR, they no longer fit! :D

[startwin]

Here's my take on this. Those who profound that jeans are inappropriate in the MDR on casual nights wouldn't be able to pull off the look. Or, they have such ingrained beliefs about "proper" attire for certain dining venues that they can't accept fashion changes.

It's likely a generational or familial tradition that is so ingrained it won't let them break loose and accept the current fashion.

Everyone has their own idea of what is socially acceptable and no one is going to change their mind. If someone thinks jeans (of any type) are only acceptable on the farm, then that's their belief and they own it and live it. If someone thinks that designer jeans can be dressed up to to the nines, then they do so and pull it off with amazing style.

Stare and snicker at me if you wish when I enter the MDR on casual night in my crisply pressed fashion jeans, high heels, flowing silk blouse and gorgeous bling. As you snicker at me, I will be noting that you would look out of place in my clothes because they wouldn't suit your body style.

I have my flame retardant suit at the ready.

Great post, thanks for summing it all up. Some people get so uptight about what others should and should not wear and keep trying to over-ride the cruise line's own rules, in an attempt to intimidate others into complying with their dress code. If they would only relax and just enjoy their time onboard they might loosen up a bit, rather than spend time passing judgment on other passengers.

The only clothing worn by others that I have ever remembered later on was the outfit that was hardly there.... two strips of material on an evening gown that barely covered the breasts (gasp:D) and the guy wore pants that were slit down the sides (male stripper maybe?) but they were not jeans:rolleyes::D There are actually photos somewhere on CC of this couple.

[piscesgal223]

Great post, thanks for summing it all up. Some people get so uptight about what others should and should not wear and keep trying to over-ride the cruise line's own rules, in an attempt to intimidate others into complying with their dress code. If they would only relax and just enjoy their time onboard they might loosen up a bit, rather than spend time passing judgment on other passengers.

The only clothing worn by others that I have ever remembered later on was the outfit that was hardly there.... two strips of material on an evening gown that barely covered the breasts (gasp:D) and the guy wore pants that were slit down the sides (male stripper maybe?) but they were not jeans:rolleyes::D There are actually photos somewhere on CC of this couple.

I think if I'd seen the couple you described I would have been :eek: and with good reason.


And yes,there are definitely people trying to override the cruise line's dress code and intimidate others(though they might not see it as such. :rolleyes:)

[mr green]

I have said it before, and I'll say it again. There is IMO a small selection of cruisers, who, like to act like children. 'Just testing the system just to see what they can get away with'.

john

[lorekauf]

Great post, thanks for summing it all up. Some people get so uptight about what others should and should not wear and keep trying to over-ride the cruise line's own rules, in an attempt to intimidate others into complying with their dress code. If they would only relax and just enjoy their time onboard they might loosen up a bit, rather than spend time passing judgment on other passengers.

The only clothing worn by others that I have ever remembered later on was the outfit that was hardly there.... two strips of material on an evening gown that barely covered the breasts (gasp:D) and the guy wore pants that were slit down the sides (male stripper maybe?) but they were not jeans:rolleyes::D There are actually photos somewhere on CC of this couple.
So isn't this passing judgement as well? If they had the body for it then what was the problem?

[1 HappyCruiser]

I have said it before, and I'll say it again. There is IMO a small selection of cruisers, who, like to act like children. 'Just testing the system just to see what they can get away with'.

john

No getting away with anything when it is allowed. :D If you don't like them, just don't look.

[piscesgal223]

From how it's been described,the skimpy dress and stripper pants(on the guy) would barely pass muster at a lot of fancy restaraunts, let alone on a HAL ship. :rolleyes:

[sapper1]

So isn't this passing judgement as well? If they had the body for it then what was the problem?
Sounds like potential for a wardrobe malfunction to me.;)

[Beyondthe7Seas]

In my personal opinion, there is a time and a place for everything. If you like wearing jeans, that's great! good for you. But I don't think it is appropriate to wear them in the main dining room. The MDR is absolutely beautiful and not the right setting for such casual clothing. Show a little class!

[1 HappyCruiser]

In my personal opinion, there is a time and a place for everything. If you like wearing jeans, that's great! good for you. But I don't think it is appropriate to wear them in the main dining room. The MDR is absolutely beautiful and not the right setting for such casual clothing. Show a little class!

Not true, it's the perfect time! It's a vacation and not an inaugural ball, but if you feel like dressing go right ahead and feel free. No one will say a word.

[ASIWISH]

No one will say a word.

... are you sure about that?:cool:

[1 HappyCruiser]

... are you sure about that?:cool:

Lets put it this way, the people who might want to say something keep it to themselves and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest what they think.
I dress to please only one person. :cool:

[Robin7]

but if you feel like dressing go right ahead and feel free. No one will say a word.

Or not! We were on the Volendam through the Panama Canal in 2007. My husband was wearing a tux. We had As You Wish Dining. One of our male dinner companions poked fun at my husband for wearing a tux on formal night. (He was wearing slacks and a sport coat.) I am not kidding! My husband was embarrassed until we spied a couple from our roll call, and he was also wearing a tux.

That is the moment I decided that jeans (which are no longer forbidden by the dress code) are just fine in the dining room.

Robin (who almost always over dresses for dinner BECAUSE I LIKE TO but who has on two occassions worn jeans in the MDR on 'smart casual' nights)

[startwin]

So isn't this passing judgement as well? If they had the body for it then what was the problem?

I have to admit, they both had the body for it. But as I said... it's the only clothing worn by others that I ever remembered afterwards... I was not passing judgment. Do we really care or remember what someone else wore on any given night? Jeans or otherwise.

[tip]

Some people are so "stuck" in a certain belief that they just can't accept anything new. Jeans simply aren't what they once were; they're not all dungarees. I'm not sure it's generational so much as the ability to shift with the wind and accept new fashion trends.

Point well taken! And I am in my 60's!!

[mr green]

Not true, it's the perfect time! It's a vacation and not an inaugural ball, but if you feel like dressing go right ahead and feel free. No one will say a word.

Not quite true. If a person books a cruise with HAL, that person should understands the basic requirements that HAL expects in the dining room. For those who don't like those requests, there are IMO two options.
1. The Lido.
2. A different cruise line, one that has more relaxed expectations of its paying guests.

john

[babyher]

Not quite true. If a person books a cruise with HAL, that person should understands the basic requirements that HAL expects in the dining room. For those who don't like those requests, there are IMO two options.
1. The Lido.
2. A different cruise line, one that has more relaxed expectations of its paying guests.

john


Or they can wear jeans in the MDR on non formal nights on HAL.

[fann1sh]

Or not! We were on the Volendam through the Panama Canal in 2007. My husband was wearing a tux. We had As You Wish Dining. One of our male dinner companions poked fun at my husband for wearing a tux on formal night. (He was wearing slacks and a sport coat.) I am not kidding! My husband was embarrassed until we spied a couple from our roll call, and he was also wearing a tux.

That is the moment I decided that jeans (which are no longer forbidden by the dress code) are just fine in the dining room.

Robin (who almost always over dresses for dinner BECAUSE I LIKE TO but who has on two occassions worn jeans in the MDR on 'smart casual' nights)

(bold is mine)

I don't understand. :confused:

[Robin7]

(bold is mine)

I don't understand. :confused:

I guess I was not clear. When my husband was made to feel bad about wearing a tux on formal night, I decided that I would no longer feel bad if I wore jeans in the dining room.

Prior to that time, I had worn jeans one time after we returned from a shore excursion on the Zaandam in Alaska quite late. I looked nice, and jeans had just recently been taken off the list of what not to wear on HAL's web site, but I still felt guilty. So the next time it happened that we were late returning and had to rush to the dining room (New Zealand/Australia on the Volendam), I wore my jeans and didn't worry about it. I figured if the average HAL cruiser thought my husband overdressed in a tux on formal night, then they probably did not feel disrespected if I wore my jeans.

I still prefer to dress for dinner, but I am not offended by denim wearers.

Robin

[1 HappyCruiser]

Not quite true. If a person books a cruise with HAL, that person should understands the basic requirements that HAL expects in the dining room. For those who don't like those requests, there are IMO two options.
1. The Lido.
2. A different cruise line, one that has more relaxed expectations of its paying guests.

john

Why should jeans bother anyone when they're perfectly acceptable by the cruise line in the dining room. If a person wearing jeans is that bothersome to some then perhaps they should be looking for a more formal cruise line. Times change & the cruise line must change to continue making a profit selling trips to everyone, not only the the formalists in the crowd.

[piscesgal223]

This isn't the Titanic.. People don't dress like something out of 1900 and bring steamer trunks onboard with them.:rolleyes:

[iancal]

I am not certain what the discussion is about.

Jeans are allowed in the MDR on non formal evenings. What else it there to say?

I would say to those people who do not want jeans exactly what the pro formal wear proponents on formal evenings say..

....if you do not like the HAL rules then perhaps this cruise line is not for you. Cunard perhaps?

[Copper10-8]

I am not certain what the discussion is about.

Jeans are allowed in the MDR on non formal evenings. What else it there to say?

I would say to those people who do not want jeans exactly what the pro formal wear proponents on formal evenings say..

....if you do not like the HAL rules then perhaps this cruise line is not for you. Cunard perhaps?

Some posters are now making, or trying to make, a distinction between "dressy jeans" and "jeans" in the MDR. But, no worries! HAL does no such thing and says both are OK in the MDR on non-formal nights so the sky is not falling and life is still good!:cool:

[mightycruisequeen]

Some posters are now making, or trying to make, a distinction between "dressy jeans" and "jeans" in the MDR. But, no worries! HAL does no such thing and says both are OK in the MDR on non-formal nights so the sky is not falling and life is still good!:cool:
Whew! Good to know! :)

[soldham]

I don't know that I could remember what my table mates wore on the last cruise I was on. It really is just not one of those things worth renting space in my head.

What DOES stick in my mind is the rudeness of some people towards the staff (especially at the front desk) - I have have seen that in both tuxes and tshirts.

Like Keith Anderson said - "Clothes Don't Make the Man" (or woman as the case may be.)

[Viesczy]

Hey, the denim kilt I mentioned!

http://www.heritageofscotland.com/pid,1760,product.php

With a different shirt, that be snazzy in the MDR!

Derek

[piscesgal223]

Oh.My.God. Someone HAS to get one of those and wear it on Formal night on a HAL cruise..see if you get in the MDR. :D

[1 HappyCruiser]

I've got my suit (http://www.mensitaly.com/productimage.aspx?id=5937)all picked out for formal nights.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Hey, the denim kilt I mentioned!

http://www.heritageofscotland.com/pid,1760,product.php

With a different shirt, that be snazzy in the MDR!

Derek

Oh.My.God. Someone HAS to get one of those and wear it on Formal night on a HAL cruise..see if you get in the MDR. :D

I love it!!! And I'd just like to see someone try asking someone to leave if they arrive at the MDR in that attire. Looks pretty snazzy to me :D!

[Viesczy]

Our next HAL cruise is a year away, :eek: I know - I know, but I'm game for trying it out. I mean what can they do, say "Get"!

Or you think this:

http://www.altkilt.com/node/161

Derek

[RuthC]

Or you think this:

http://www.altkilt.com/node/161

Derek
The socks! :eek: Egad. White, short socks??? At least go with knee socks. Not white knee socks, either.