Weird question to ask about smoking

[elou]

Since I'll be smoking on the balcony next cruise, just wondered where do you empty the ashtray? It seems if I do empty ashtray in trash can in the room, the room will still smell of stale tobacco. This seems to defeat the purpose. Are there trash cans outside?

[SJGOCH]

We took along some Ziploc sandwich bags. Each night we would empty the ashtray into one and put it in the trash

[RuthC]

Since I'll be smoking on the balcony next cruise, just wondered where do you empty the ashtray? It seems if I do empty ashtray in trash can in the room, the room will still smell of stale tobacco. This seems to defeat the purpose. Are there trash cans outside?
I would hope you would't dump your ashtray in your cabin wastebasket until several hours after the last butt was stubbed out in it. Then, go ahead and use the cabin wastebasket. It will be emptied twice a day.

[bepsf]

You should use one of the ashtrays provided by the line which are designed to prevent ashes from blowing away. Just request one from the cabin steward on embarcation day and leave it out there - the steward should empty it every day when he wipes down the railing, etc.

Don't empty it in the trashcan: Too dangerous and could start a fire.

[IRL_Joanie]

Since I'll be smoking on the balcony next cruise, just wondered where do you empty the ashtray? It seems if I do empty ashtray in trash can in the room, the room will still smell of stale tobacco. This seems to defeat the purpose. Are there trash cans outside?

Ask your room steward for an ashtray and he/she will get you one of these (click on the photo to see it full sized) Keep in mind that this photo was taken when smoking was allowed in the stateroom. You push the button on the top down and the ashes and butt go into the sealed part. The room steward will empty and clean it twice daily.

http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Westerdam/sm-8104-Bathroom-Sink-2.jpg (http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Westerdam/8104-Bathroom-Sink-2.jpg)

Joanie

[Krazy Kruizers]

We took along some Ziploc sandwich bags. Each night we would empty the ashtray into one and put it in the trash


Those would be dangerous -- hot ashes -- melt -- cause a fire.

[KirkNC]

We took along some Ziploc sandwich bags. Each night we would empty the ashtray into one and put it in the trash

Nice, a fire on board a ship :mad:.

[Typhoon1]

Your cabin Steward will properly dispose of the ashes if you leave them in the HAL provided ashtray.

[sail7seas]

PLEASE DO NOT empty your ashtray into trash can. Unless you bring along an empty aluminim can that you can douse with water, leave the ashes and butts in the base of your ashtray. You MAY think the ashes/butts are cool but it's so easy to start a fire. Just get more ashtrays if you need to until your steward empties it for you.

[dobiemom]

You should use one of the ashtrays provided by the line which are designed to prevent ashes from blowing away. Just request one from the cabin steward on embarcation day and leave it out there - the steward should empty it every day when he wipes down the railing, etc.

Don't empty it in the trashcan: Too dangerous and could start a fire.

Ask your room steward for an ashtray and he/she will get you one of these (click on the photo to see it full sized) Keep in mind that this photo was taken when smoking was allowed in the stateroom. You push the button on the top down and the ashes and butt go into the sealed part. The room steward will empty and clean it twice daily.

http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Westerdam/sm-8104-Bathroom-Sink-2.jpg (http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Westerdam/8104-Bathroom-Sink-2.jpg)

Joanie
I travel with a smoker and that's what we do: Ask the cabin steward for an ashtray and the one in the pic is the exact one we get. We never emptied it and it was always clean, so it must be a magic ashtray! ;)

[tomc]

Looks to me like a "dices, slices, chops everything" gadget you see on late night tv when the station hasn't sold the time.

"Just $19.95! And if you call before the second day of your cruise, you will get absolutely free a bag with our ships' names and where they go! Act now! But wait! Call the front desk within ten minutes and we will throw in a complimentary can of soda for only $1.25. You get the slicer and dicer, the bag and the soda all for the cost of the cruise, plus the $1.25 for the soda and $11.00 per day service charge."

[CDRMark]

Looks to me like a "dices, slices, chops everything" gadget you see on late night tv when the station hasn't sold the time.

"Just $19.95! And if you call before the second day of your cruise, you will get absolutely free a bag with our ships' names and where they go! Act now! But wait! Call the front desk within ten minutes and we will throw in a complimentary can of soda for only $1.25. You get the slicer and dicer, the bag and the soda all for the cost of the cruise, plus the $1.25 for the soda and $11.00 per day service charge."
http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/Liffridge-43(2).jpg

[ariawoman]

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/Liffridge-43%282%29.jpg


Holy crap. What ship is that?

[Himself]

Looks to me like a "dices, slices, chops everything" gadget you see on late night tv when the station hasn't sold the time.

"Just $19.95! And if you call before the second day of your cruise, you will get absolutely free a bag with our ships' names and where they go! Act now! But wait! Call the front desk within ten minutes and we will throw in a complimentary can of soda for only $1.25. You get the slicer and dicer, the bag and the soda all for the cost of the cruise, plus the $1.25 for the soda and $11.00 per day service charge."

TOMC:
I am glad you have not lost your great sense of humor.

[san diego sue]

Star Princess.
Cruise ended very quickly.

[sail7seas]

Someone died in that fire. :(

They never proved it but it is widely believed it was caused by careless disposal of cigarette.

[iceleven]

Youtube has a couple videos of the fire and the damage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFr6OF8eneg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiFtheA0BU

[Willsot]

We're not smokers, but on our last Alaska cruise we had cigarette butts on our balcony most of the times we went outside. Suspect they rolled under the partition after being discarded by smokers next door, but I suppose they possibly could have been tossed from balconies above ours and carried by wind gusts.

[celle]

Since I'll be smoking on the balcony next cruise, just wondered where do you empty the ashtray? It seems if I do empty ashtray in trash can in the room, the room will still smell of stale tobacco. This seems to defeat the purpose. Are there trash cans outside?

DH smokes on the balcony. Rather than use an ashtray, he saves a beer bottle, into which he puts a small amount of water. The water in the beer bottle stops any danger of fire, or of ash blowing about, and the bottle is not likely to blow over or away. Usually one bottle lasts for the entire cruise.

[cavecreekguy]

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/Liffridge-43(2).jpg

I remember this photo. I was on the Star Princess prior to the fire. Probably in one of the affected cabins based on the picture. IIRC it was initially attributed to a carelessly discarded cigarette, but later was determined to be something else.

To the OP - Tell your cabin steward you want to smoke on your balcony. You will likely be given an approved ashtray and he'll clean it for you. Giving him an extra tip for his service would certainly be appreciated.

[iceleven]

We're not smokers, but on our last Alaska cruise we had cigarette butts on our balcony most of the times we went outside. Suspect they rolled under the partition after being discarded by smokers next door, but I suppose they possibly could have been tossed from balconies above ours and carried by wind gusts.


And what might happen if a balcony door is left open when one of those lit cigarette butts are flicked off another balcony? :eek:

[English_in_Spain]

DH used to smoke. He never smoked in the cabin in the same way he never smoked in the house at home.

He used to have a small personal ashtray which he carried with him everywhere. When he smoked on the balcony, he put the cigarette end in his ashtray which he then closed – it was completely airtight when closed and safe.

When he was in a smoking area on the ship, he emptied his ashtray into one of the general ashtrays.

He found that, if he used one of the ship's ashtrays on the balcony, the room steward did not always empty it.

From experience, I know that the smell of dirty ashtrays is, in fact, worse than the smell of someone smoking.

[1 HappyCruiser]

At least Princess finally did something to alleviate the problem.

[Taxguy77]

And what might happen if a balcony door is left open when one of those lit cigarette butts are flicked off another balcony? :eek:

Those who did not pay attention during the lifeboat drill will panic. :rolleyes::eek:

[mamaofami]

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/Liffridge-43%282%29.jpg[/quote]

If I did smoke, which I never did, that picture would be enough to make me very very very careful. Nothing worse than a fire at sea.

[RuthC]

And what might happen if a balcony door is left open when one of those lit cigarette butts are flicked off another balcony? :eek:
Then those who are constantly reminding about keeping the door closed would be able to say:
I told you so.

[innlady1]

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/uploads/image/Liffridge-43(2).jpg

Star Princess fire in March of '06, I believe the cruise ended early in Jamaica. It was a month after our first cruise on the Caribbean Princess...so not something I'll forget! Pretty scary...and caused by someone smoking on the balcony, I believe. It amazes me that it took Princess almost 6 years to ban smoking on the balconies.

[sail7seas]

I think it spread was so extensively and fast because balcony doors were opened and it created perfect wind tunnels to carry the fire.

[sail7seas]

Since that time, HAL has made all dividers on verandas fire resistent.

We were aboard Maasdam when they replaced pieces/parts on our veranda divider.

[innlady1]

I think it spread was so extensively and fast because balcony doors were opened and it created perfect wind tunnels to carry the fire.




I recall that, too, Judy. We've only sailed Princess that one time, but I seem to recall the doors are sliders which allows pax to keep them open...not a good idea.

[dr.dawg]

dr dawg starting a 'firestorm here.' just a hypothetical. what if someone smoked only in their bathroom, not in the cabin per se. then collected the butts, sprayed down the room with a smoke-remover spray, put the butts in a sealed plastic bag and deposited them in a public recepticle on another deck, not in the cabin trash. butts were put out in the bathroom sink, under the faucet. could any room steward report smoking? how could they prove the odor did not come from another cabin? would hal's $250 fine stand up? and, further, could one pay the $250 cleaning fee prior to or during the cruise and then be allowed to smoke in the cabin? how would additional fines be assessed? hmmmmmm. i invite comments, not hyperbolics.

[sail7seas]

Who knows.
Until someone tries it and reports to us about their success or failure and whether any or most or none find it credible........

It's a bad idea IMO

I think that smoke odor will travel through the ventilation system to nearby cabins on the same line. They may or may not report it and it may or may not be traced to the 'hypothetical' smoker's cabin/bathroom.

Rules are for everyone and we don't get to pick and choose which each of us wish to honor and which each of us feel entitled to disobey.

When you buy a ticket on a HAL ship, you agree to their terms. If you don't like the terms, don't buy the ticket is my personal way of looking at it.



IMO......

[IRL_Joanie]

dr dawg starting a 'firestorm here.' just a hypothetical. what if someone smoked only in their bathroom, not in the cabin per se. then collected the butts, sprayed down the room with a smoke-remover spray, put the butts in a sealed plastic bag and deposited them in a public recepticle on another deck, not in the cabin trash. butts were put out in the bathroom sink, under the faucet. could any room steward report smoking? how could they prove the odor did not come from another cabin? would hal's $250 fine stand up? and, further, could one pay the $250 cleaning fee prior to or during the cruise and then be allowed to smoke in the cabin? how would additional fines be assessed? hmmmmmm. i invite comments, not hyperbolics.

It would be even worse doing it that way. I speak from experience because that is one of the places I would smoke in my stateroom after first waking and before hubby was awake.

The CC member in my stateroom immediately after me said that the smell of cigarette was so much more intense in the bathroom than anywhere else in the stateroom. Apparently they and the stewards finally figured out that the smell was in the shower curtains themselves.

We, as smokers, do not realize just how bad it is until someone extremely sensitive can pin point the problem. I did not believe others, my own hubby included, when they tried to tell me. I thought they were all just pushing their own agenda of doing their best to get smoking completely banned. NOW I know better as the CC member immediately after me was extremely nice about it and even went so far, if I remember correctly, to let me know that normally they are not this badly affected:(

So, no the smoking in the bathroom should NEVER be done!!! Only in APPROVED locations as per each cruise line.

Joanie

[kazu]

dr dawg starting a 'firestorm here.' just a hypothetical. what if someone smoked only in their bathroom, not in the cabin per se. then collected the butts, sprayed down the room with a smoke-remover spray, put the butts in a sealed plastic bag and deposited them in a public recepticle on another deck, not in the cabin trash. butts were put out in the bathroom sink, under the faucet. could any room steward report smoking? how could they prove the odor did not come from another cabin? would hal's $250 fine stand up? and, further, could one pay the $250 cleaning fee prior to or during the cruise and then be allowed to smoke in the cabin? how would additional fines be assessed? hmmmmmm. i invite comments, not hyperbolics.

Admit it - you're just trying to get those posts to that magical number aren't you:p Seriously, if you smoke there the stewards are going to know.

HAL's rules are very fair IMO and should be respected:)

[1 HappyCruiser]

dr dawg starting a 'firestorm here.' just a hypothetical. what if someone smoked only in their bathroom, not in the cabin per se. then collected the butts, sprayed down the room with a smoke-remover spray, put the butts in a sealed plastic bag and deposited them in a public recepticle on another deck, not in the cabin trash. butts were put out in the bathroom sink, under the faucet. could any room steward report smoking? how could they prove the odor did not come from another cabin? would hal's $250 fine stand up? and, further, could one pay the $250 cleaning fee prior to or during the cruise and then be allowed to smoke in the cabin? how would additional fines be assessed? hmmmmmm. i invite comments, not hyperbolics.

Depending on the amount of suction in the bathroom vent some smoke may leak out into the room & be vented into the hallway- chances are it won't but the cabin steward will probably still smell it.

[tip]

At least Princess finally did something to alleviate the problem.

And maybe some day HAL will catch on that we are now in the 21st Century!

[hal lover]

TOMC:
I am glad you have not lost your great sense of humor.


EXCUSE ME!!! I SEE NO HUMOR IN THIS PICTURE.

HA has changed their smoking policy and I do not feel that they need any "brainy" ways of others to help out. If you need more than one ashtray, just ask for it. Please leave the dumping to the cabin steward!

[elou]

Thanks for the advice of ziploc baggies and use of their spin ashtrays. I did not mean this to turn into a smoking thread. We do not need anymore of them. I'm surprised so many people posted here. Thanks again.

[kazu]

EXCUSE ME!!! I SEE NO HUMOR IN THIS PICTURE.

HA has changed their smoking policy and I do not feel that they need any "brainy" ways of others to help out. If you need more than one ashtray, just ask for it. Please leave the dumping to the cabin steward!

Oh come on - have a sense of humour:D and a happy New Years:D

[hal lover]

Oh come on - have a sense of humour:D and a happy New Years:D

Happy New Year to you too, but I still do not see any humor in that picture.

[1 HappyCruiser]

EXCUSE ME!!! I SEE NO HUMOR IN THIS PICTURE.

HA has changed their smoking policy and I do not feel that they need any "brainy" ways of others to help out. If you need more than one ashtray, just ask for it. Please leave the dumping to the cabin steward!

Not if the poster was in an inside cabin. What good would an ashtray go him? They've got to get rid of the evidence & it's either a baggie or flush them down the toilet.

[sail7seas]

Oh drat...... please don't suggest flushing the butts down the toilet. That is a real good way to clog the system and create misery for all the people on the same line who lose use of their cabin toilets. :(

[kazu]

Oh drat...... please don't suggest flushing the butts down the toilet. That is a real good way to clog the system and create misery for all the people on the same line who lose use of their cabin toilets. :(



So True - please none of this foolishness:p

[RuthC]

EXCUSE ME!!! I SEE NO HUMOR IN THIS PICTURE.
Himself was speaking to tomc. Tom did not post a picture; he did post something humorous. For Himself to refer to Tom's humor was appropriate.

Someone else quoted Tom, for no apparent reason, and posted the picture. The picture had nothing to do with Tom's post.

[IRL_Joanie]

Himself was speaking to tomc. Tom did not post a picture; he did post something humorous. For Himself to refer to Tom's humor was appropriate.

Someone else quoted Tom, for no apparent reason, and posted the picture. The picture had nothing to do with Tom's post.

Hal Lover, you took offense, I believe at a photo of the ash tray in the bathroom that I posted. That photo was not meant to be humorous at all. It was just the first photo I grabbed from my stateroom web site that had an ash tray that was provided by the room steward.

I am sorry that you were offended by it. You have to remember that all of the photos on my site are prior to January 12 (or is it 15th) 2012 when the no smoking policy in the staterooms goes into effect.

Here is a better photo of the same ash tray provided by the stateroom steward in use on the verandah.

And by the way, the way those ashtrays work acts basically as TomC described:) You push down on the button and things turn rapidly and the ashes and cigarette butt disappears.

http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Zuiderdam/sm-7142_IRL_Joanie-27.jpg (http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Zuiderdam/7142_IRL_Joanie-27.jpg)

The other photo posted was of the side of a Princess ship after a fire on board that killed one person. The fire was/is believed for quite a while to have been caused by a cigarette butt:( Again, there was nothing humorous in that post, just information.

Joanie

[slo mo]

It would be even worse doing it that way. I speak from experience because that is one of the places I would smoke in my stateroom after first waking and before hubby was awake.

The CC member in my stateroom immediately after me said that the smell of cigarette was so much more intense in the bathroom than anywhere else in the stateroom. Apparently they and the stewards finally figured out that the smell was in the shower curtains themselves.

We, as smokers, do not realize just how bad it is until someone extremely sensitive can pin point the problem. I did not believe others, my own hubby included, when they tried to tell me. I thought they were all just pushing their own agenda of doing their best to get smoking completely banned. NOW I know better as the CC member immediately after me was extremely nice about it and even went so far, if I remember correctly, to let me know that normally they are not this badly affected:(

So, no the smoking in the bathroom should NEVER be done!!! Only in APPROVED locations as per each cruise line.

Joanie
I must admit I'm lol.Myself being the dreaded smoker have never
thought of smoking in the bathroom.The one habit I have is to put
my finger on the end of my cigarette if I think there could be some
live embers.Joanie I wish we could hook up because you sound like
a great gal.I have read your threads on other topics.I see you are
doing Alaska next year so are we.We depart Sept. 8th so will miss
you.Have a great cruise.

[IRL_Joanie]

I must admit I'm lol.Myself being the dreaded smoker have never
thought of smoking in the bathroom.The one habit I have is to put
my finger on the end of my cigarette if I think there could be some
live embers.Joanie I wish we could hook up because you sound like
a great gal.I have read your threads on other topics.I see you are
doing Alaska next year so are we.We depart Sept. 8th so will miss
you.Have a great cruise.

Thank You:) Hey you could always switch to one of the 1st 2 weeks of May 2013:) Still time tto change;) We want to see the Inside Passage with snow still on the ground. Have done that the Seattle route and loved it. Now tis time to see Inside Passage the same way:)

Joanie

[sapper1]

EXCUSE ME!!! I SEE NO HUMOR IN THIS PICTURE.

HA has changed their smoking policy and I do not feel that they need any "brainy" ways of others to help out. If you need more than one ashtray, just ask for it. Please leave the dumping to the cabin steward!
That's a lot of anger over a picture of an ashtray.:eek: It does kind of look like one of those K-Tel devices that used to be advertised on TV. Not making a statement either way re smoking but I did find the comment amusing. Even if you did not, there is no need to shout at the poster who did.

[RuthC]

That's a lot of anger over a picture of an ashtray.:eek:
It wasn't the picture of the ashtray that hal lover was angry about. It was a different picture, the source of which he was mistaken about.

[hal lover]

Hal Lover, you took offense, I believe at a photo of the ash tray in the bathroom that I posted. That photo was not meant to be humorous at all. It was just the first photo I grabbed from my stateroom web site that had an ash tray that was provided by the room steward.

I am sorry that you were offended by it. You have to remember that all of the photos on my site are prior to January 12 (or is it 15th) 2012 when the no smoking policy in the staterooms goes into effect.

Here is a better photo of the same ash tray provided by the stateroom steward in use on the verandah.

And by the way, the way those ashtrays work acts basically as TomC described:) You push down on the button and things turn rapidly and the ashes and cigarette butt disappears.

http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Zuiderdam/sm-7142_IRL_Joanie-27.jpg (http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Zuiderdam/7142_IRL_Joanie-27.jpg)

The other photo posted was of the side of a Princess ship after a fire on board that killed one person. The fire was/is believed for quite a while to have been caused by a cigarette butt:( Again, there was nothing humorous in that post, just information.

Joanie

Joanie, I was not offended by the picture of the ashtray in the bathroom. I felt the picture of the fire damage on the ship was not humorous.

I was on the MS Statendam April '10. At 5:10am the fire alarm went off. We were out at sea that day. The sight of the fire crew running down the hallway and no information until about 20 minutes later from the captain was a very scary feeling. It turned out to be a minor fire on a lower deck, that was under control.

I too smoke Joanie. On my 12/11 cruise, I only had a quick cig in the bathroom myself and kept my ashtray in there also.

The ashtray's that HA provide are safe. I hope that anyone smoking and using them will leave the cleaning/dumping to the cabin steward's.

Just a little quick story here. My mother smoked. One day she decided to empty the ashtray out of the car. Little did she know that one of her cig's was still smoldering. She dumped the ashtray in our garage (detached). Within 15 minutes the garage was blazing. Thank goodness no one was hurt and the detached garage could be rebuilt.

[gelo7]

Your cabin Steward will properly dispose of the ashes if you leave them in the HAL provided ashtray.
True...

[sapper1]

It wasn't the picture of the ashtray that hal lover was angry about. It was a different picture, the source of which he was mistaken about.

Gotcha-----I think.

[hal lover]

Gotcha-----I think.

Sapper1~ the picture of the ashtray did not bother me at all. I use them! It was the picture of the ship that had a fire on it. Not funny to me. I just hope that smoker's (like myself) will leave the cleaning/dumping to the cabin steward's. Also, you may wish to read my response to Joanie's reply. I just want everyone to have a safe and fun trip. Apology to anyone that I may have offended for the CAP'S.:o:):)

[RuthC]

I felt the picture of the fire damage on the ship was not humorous.
Nobody said it was humorous.

[CDRMark]

it was deadly serious.
Cheers
Mark

[slo mo]

Thank You:) Hey you could always switch to one of the 1st 2 weeks of May 2013:) Still time tto change;) We want to see the Inside Passage with snow still on the ground. Have done that the Seattle route and loved it. Now tis time to see Inside Passage the same way:)

Joanie
We spend the month of May in Florida so no go.This is our first
Alaskan cruise.I'm really very excited,but man lots to learn about.
I have read the boards and made many notes.This trip is a celebration
of our 30 year anniversary.I'm a Caribbean girl,but my husband has
always wanted to do Alaska.I think a change will really be a good thing.
Reading how much you love that cruise just gets me excited to see
for myself.Have a great New Yeaar

[innlady1]

Sapper1~ the picture of the ashtray did not bother me at all. I use them! It was the picture of the ship that had a fire on it. Not funny to me. I just hope that smoker's (like myself) will leave the cleaning/dumping to the cabin steward's. Also, you may wish to read my response to Joanie's reply. I just want everyone to have a safe and fun trip. Apology to anyone that I may have offended for the CAP'S.:o:):)

The photo of the Star Princess was posted in seriousness...not to be funny. I don't know how that could have been misinterpreted. :rolleyes: