Future of Formal Nights

[TeamBozo]

We have noticed a significant reduction in the number of formal nights during our last 2 HAL cruises and were told that HAL is considering phasing them out or making them optional. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines? I have mixed feelings-- I always bring a tux, but the idea of leaving it home doesn't sound too bad. It seems like fewer and fewer people are bothering with it anymore and the dress code has become quite liberal.

I apologize if this topic has been previously discussed. Have you heard anything about this???

[CruiserBruce]

Could you elaborate on the "significant reduction" in number of formal nights? Have sailed with HAL for 20 years, and haven't seen a decrease in the standard number- 2 for 7 day, 3 for 10 day, etc.

Have heard of an occaisional 2 formal nights on 10 days, when the cruise is very port intensive. But hasn't happened to us.

[Krazy Kruizers]

I haven't seen any reduction in the number of formal nights on any of our cruises.

Last cruises -- 10 days -- 3 formal nights. 11 days -- 3 formal nights.

Looked at our documents for an upcoming cruise -- 25 days -- 7 formal nights.

[califgary]

Just off the beautiful and elegant Statendam (shout out to Capt Franz!) on a 14 day cruise and we had 4 formal nites. I admit Im seeing more folks not opting to participate in the dressing up those evenings but they still advertized the 4 nites as formal.

[IRL_Joanie]

.... when someone comes onto the boards here and asks the question almost word for word as you.:)

Not being snarky just telling you what has happened over the last few months. No one in the real know has mentioned it, no one from HAL has mentioned it, only passengers like you and I asking this question.:)

Joanie

[TeamBozo]

Our last 2 cruises were 35 days (Sept. 2011 and 17 days (Dec. 2011). Our boarding documents for the 35 day cruise indicated 10 formal nights, but there were only 7 and the 17 day cruise had 3 formal nights plus an "optional" 1. I'd never seen that before.

At any rate, 10 formal nights in 52 days is only slightly more than one per week on average. A couple we had dinner with said HAL was considering eliminating them altogether. I find that hard to believe, but I wonder what others have heard.

By the way, I don't care what other people wear to dinner. I didn't mean to stir up that debate.

[jtl513]

IMO we will begin to see more formal optional nights. We've had one.

[cmdchiefthom]

IMO we will begin to see more formal optional nights. We've had one.

That's the way is started on NCL maybe 10 years ago, and now its jeans and tee shirts almost anywhere, anytime onboard their ships:eek:

[RMLincoln]

To me the best thing about formal night in the MDR is the better food selections. I wouldn't want that to go away. m--

[kazu]

We have noticed a significant reduction in the number of formal nights during our last 2 HAL cruises and were told that HAL is considering phasing them out or making them optional. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines? I have mixed feelings-- I always bring a tux, but the idea of leaving it home doesn't sound too bad. It seems like fewer and fewer people are bothering with it anymore and the dress code has become quite liberal.

I apologize if this topic has been previously discussed. Have you heard anything about this???

Actually on the last two 20 day cruises that we did, there were supposed to be 5 formal night. We had four. Are they toning them down? I don't know.

I understand that these are the captain's discretion. I loved it. 4 is enough IMO:D don't get me wrong, we like to dress up - not much chance here. but once every five nights was the perfect solution. JMO:)

[SwissMyst]

On our last cruise was one night designated "optional formal" night and lo and behold easily 80-90% showed up in full dress. When HAL passengers were given a choice on this cruise, they chose to do it up right. Formal is alive and well among this group of HAL passengers who do it anyway, even when they don't have to. Even "casual nights" were special too - the dining room setting just seemed to make people want to take it up a notch to get full enjoyment from the experience.

[startwin]

I tend to agree with Joanie...,. only time I've heard anything about it is when someone asks the question on here. It's not been mentioned at any of the Q&A's of my past cruises.

[Typhoon1]

Oh goody, (another) formal night/wear thread! :D

Here we go again.

[Pettifogger]

Formal nights are one of the many things that differentiate HAL from the mass market lines.

A formal optional night which assigned the formal to one dining room and those who chose the informal to another dining room would give the passengers one more choice, a good thing, but maybe a logistical challenge.

Mixing the formal and the informal at individual tables would be monstrous, portions of two different things joined unnaturally, like a bird and a woman to make a harpy. The fact that some may have already tried it and no one at the table voiced their displeasure is not a valid test. I wouldn't speak up any more than I would point out that someone at the table was even uglier than I am; I'd just go elsewhere.

I don't necessarily enjoy lugging formal clothes half-way around the world, but if HAL decides that most of its passengers don't want to bother, it would do far better to just eliminate formal nights. (I'd prefer that no one tell my wife that I made that statement.)

[iancal]

We have already eliminated them...on HAL and any other cruise line we happen the be on.

[sail7seas]

We go with the flow on this topic.
As long as HAL has formal nights, we will dress according to their description as a minimum.

If they discontinue them, we will 'roll with it.'
We admittedly have done so many formal nights for so many years and as we've gotten older, we are less interested in them than we used to be.

However, we are respectful of crew/Officers/staff/fellow guests and would never be so rude to not abide by dress code as long as we choose to sail HAL.

[bozemanman]

Personally really GLAD TO SEE yet another DRESS CODE THREAD:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rol leyes::rolleyes:

[sail7seas]

:cool: Always the choice to not open it and 'move right along' without ever reading a word of it. :) Seems some of us never tire of the conversation. :eek: :D

[iflyrc5]

Our documents show 8 formal nights on our upcoming 30 day on the Rotterdam with 12 sea days. It will be interesting to see if we end up with all 8 or if they cut some out.

[GeriatricNurse]

We have already eliminated them...on HAL and any other cruise line we happen the be on.

Count me in too! ;)

[GeriatricNurse]

[quote=sail7seas;31894986]We go with the flow on this topic.
As long as HAL has formal nights, we will dress according to their description as a minimum.

If they discontinue them, we will 'roll with it.'
We admittedly have done so many formal nights for so many years and as we've gotten older, we are less interested in them than we used to be.

However, we are respectful of crew/Officers/staff/fellow guests and would never be so rude to not abide by dress code as long as we choose to sail HAL.

So, Judy, following this logic, are you suggesting that on all formal nights I should dress formally even if I choose to dine in the Lido? :confused: Boy, wouldn't I stick out like a sore thumb if I were to be so foolish! :p

[tangerinebunny]

I've never done one of the European cruises, but it sounds as though they're port intensive with busy, tiring days. Are the formal nights well received?

I wouldn't miss them in Alaska where packing is an issue, but people appear to really enjoy them in the Caribbean.

I enjoy formal nights but they're not why we cruise.

[G&G]

Another formal night thread; 5000 and counting but I will add my two cents. It appears formal nights are going the way of the rotary phones; disappearing.

We just returned from a RCL cruise to the Western Caribbean (2nd time on RCL). RCL dress code for formal nights in the MDR is basically the same as HAL. There were two formal nights. I estimated less than 50% of the passengers wore tuxs, jackets or even ties in the MDR. The clothes for formal night included for men, golf shirts, hawaiian shirts and yes tee shirts. My issue is either enforce the dress code or make everything casual.

Oh I forgot, on RCL, casual night, shorts, tee shirts and baseball caps were abundantly present.

[kazu]

I've never done one of the European cruises, but it sounds as though they're port intensive with busy, tiring days. Are the formal nights well received?

I wouldn't miss them in Alaska where packing is an issue, but people appear to really enjoy them in the Caribbean.

I enjoy formal nights but they're not why we cruise.

On the European cruises I have been on, formal nights are very well received. In fact there are often a slightly higher percentage of tuxes on these:D

[mescat4]

E bound TA on Nieux Amsterdam, W bound on QM2- in between flying Barcelona-Geneva-London on Easy jet (20 kilo limit). Could get by with a sports jacket on HAL but definitely need a black suit or tux on QM2 for their 3 formal nights as well as sports coat for 4 casuals. Suit and tux weigh the same.-
Just bought a new Samsonite 29" spinner that weighs 10#- about 5# less than current luggage- that should help.

As long as Cunard is the only alternative to go TA were stuck

Ev

[kazu]

E bound TA on Nieux Amsterdam, W bound on QM2- in between flying Barcelona-Geneva-London on Easy jet (20 kilo limit). Could get by with a sports jacket on HAL but definitely need a black suit or tux on QM2 for their 3 formal nights as well as sports coat for 4 casuals. Suit and tux weigh the same.-
Just bought a new Samsonite 29" spinner that weighs 10#- about 5# less than current luggage- that should help.

As long as Cunard is the only alternative to go TA were stuck

Ev

Sounds like it - perhaps they have tuxedo rental if you don't want to pack? Most ships do;)

[solocanadian]

We go with the flow on this topic.
As long as HAL has formal nights, we will dress according to their description as a minimum.

If they discontinue them, we will 'roll with it.'
We admittedly have done so many formal nights for so many years and as we've gotten older, we are less interested in them than we used to be.

However, we are respectful of crew/Officers/staff/fellow guests and would never be so rude to not abide by dress code as long as we choose to sail HAL.


Agree with you Sail, 100%. :)

[fatcat04]

They can have my formal gown and up-do when they pry them from my cold dead hands... :p;)

[tip]

It appears formal nights are going the way of the rotary phones; disappearing.

Yes, it will happen sooner or later. Some folks will miss them. Some folks will not. Some folks can accept change. Some folks can not.

And before folks lock and load, I do wear a jacket and tie on formal nights and I packing one for our Noordam cruise which is just 13 days away!;)

[chrispb]

E bound TA on Nieux Amsterdam, W bound on QM2- in between flying Barcelona-Geneva-London on Easy jet (20 kilo limit). Could get by with a sports jacket on HAL but definitely need a black suit or tux on QM2 for their 3 formal nights as well as sports coat for 4 casuals. Suit and tux weigh the same.-
Just bought a new Samsonite 29" spinner that weighs 10#- about 5# less than current luggage- that should help.

As long as Cunard is the only alternative to go TA were stuck

Ev
Or use BA instead of easyjet - weight allowance is 23 kg.

[iancal]

We have found that EasyJet is not always the most least expensive after adding in all the charges. BA, Swiss, and some of the other traditional airlines sometimes have similar deals where the net price is very competitive.

[Call8675309]

As I understand it, we dress formally ( a gown for me and a dark suit with a tie and cufflinks for DH), but have the choice to dress down and dine in the lido. I guess I am too traditional and respectful to think about doing anything different. I am happy to suffer an evening in nylons for better food, nice company, and better ambiance. I am struggling with why this concept is so difficult. (ok, bring on the blow-torches);)

[erewhon]

There were 3 formal nights during our pre Christmas 14 day Cruise on the Volendam.

[JamesEM]

On our last cruise on board the Noordam we ate in the Lido on formal nights, and found out that the food is a lot warmer than in the MDR.

[FrankNJ]

I think to help with the packing it would be a good idea to change formal nights to jacket required nights.
My other idea was to have a baseball hat night ( OK , just kidding ) .

[Cruiser from MS]

We plan to eat in the Lido restaurant on the formal nights. I work 5 days a week and have to dress nicely so when I'm on vacation I don't want to worry about getting my formal wear to the ship, I like to dress in my capri's or shorts. We have done enough formal nights and now enjoy not doing it. :)

[Viesczy]

Every night can be formal night if you make that choice!

From everything I've heard/seen, it is usually 1 or 2 less than the docs mention. Is that a worry? If you bring 9 outfits and there are only 7, sure is as that was wasted space.

Luckily us fellas can get away with same suit! ;) We can roll in with a bit of style and color, always looking good!

Something like

http://www.mensusa.com/images/MensFashion-Suit-Luxurious-Luxurious-Wool-Feel-Palace-Blue.jpg

or

http://www.mensusa.com/images/image8717.jpg

That all said, it isn't the clothing that makes the person. It only accentuates the quality of person.

A tuxedo wearing lout or a gown wearing harridan are still just that, a lout or a harridan... just in a tux or a gown.

Derek

[Harris Jeffer]

We have already eliminated them...on HAL and any other cruise line we happen the be on.

Amen brother! From your mouth to HAL's ears!!

[iancal]

We no longer think that the food on formal evenings is much better in the MDR than it is in the Lido. On HAL, or on any of the other cruise lines.

[chrispb]

As I understand it, we dress formally ( a gown for me and a dark suit with a tie and cufflinks for DH), but have the choice to dress down and dine in the lido. I guess I am too traditional and respectful to think about doing anything different. I am happy to suffer an evening in nylons for better food, nice company, and better ambiance. I am struggling with why this concept is so difficult. (ok, bring on the blow-torches);)

Nylons? Jeez, does anyone wear "nylons" these days? Are you also struggling with the concept that people can opt in or out of formal?:eek:

[baggal]

Is anyone watching "Downton Abbey" on PBS? This is where the concept of formal dinner dress began: the English aristocracy "dressed" for dinner every night in their own homes (castles) and when they traveled on ships, they continued that tradition. Of course, they traveled with a contingent of valets, ladies' maids, laundresses, and other staff (can't bring myself to use the word "servants.")

In any case, "dressing" for dinner didn't negatively affect them in any way. They didn't have to contend with baggage allowances, TSA restrictions, and returning from shore excursions late in the day since they were traveling trans-Atlantic and there were none.

But on the other hand, I am one of those people who think its unacceptable to dress really casually (shorts on men; torn jeans, baseball caps are examples) in the MDR dining room for dinner. So where does that leave us? I really don't know but I would be happy to give up formal nights if everyone would agree to not dress for dinner as though you were going to clean out your garage or paint your house. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

[Dejah Thoris]

Every night can be formal night if you make that choice!

From everything I've heard/seen, it is usually 1 or 2 less than the docs mention. Is that a worry? If you bring 9 outfits and there are only 7, sure is as that was wasted space.

Luckily us fellas can get away with same suit! ;) We can roll in with a bit of style and color, always looking good!

Something like

http://www.mensusa.com/images/MensFashion-Suit-Luxurious-Luxurious-Wool-Feel-Palace-Blue.jpg

or

http://www.mensusa.com/images/image8717.jpg

That all said, it isn't the clothing that makes the person. It only accentuates the quality of person.

A tuxedo wearing lout or a gown wearing harridan are still just that, a lout or a harridan... just in a tux or a gown.

Derek

Yuck!

[Dejah Thoris]

But on the other hand, I am one of those people who think its unacceptable to dress really casually (shorts on men; torn jeans, baseball caps are examples) in the MDR dining room for dinner. So where does that leave us? I really don't know but I would be happy to give up formal nights if everyone would agree to not dress for dinner as though you were going to clean out your garage or paint your house. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

it will never work.
they'll dress however they want to dress. torn jeans, tshirts, shorts.
same arguments you use against formal nights are those that theyll use for not having to bring things other than shorts and tshirts.

[iancal]

Nope, it will not work.

On the other side of the coin, there are many, many ladies who attend formal evening in the MDR who are not dressed in a formal fashion-far from it. They seem to think that a pair of slacks, a shiney top, and a string of 'Sunday beads' suffices for formal wear.

They are as guilty as someone who is wearing jeans, ie they are not dressing to code. There is a tendency to point out the jeans issue etc. but not the many others who really skirt the rules and pretend that they 'comply'. They don't.

Not that it bothers me in the least, because it does not. I just find it a little amusing that some posters pick and choose their examples to suit their personal opinion.

[cavecreekguy]

...On the other side of the coin, there are many, many ladies who attend formal evening in the MDR who are not dressed in a formal fashion-far from it. They seem to think that a pair of slacks, a shiney top, and a string of 'Sunday beads' suffices for formal wear.

LOL I always wonder what all the ladies who post here that they wear a "sparkly top" on formal nights think makes their "sparkly top" formal wear. Do they tuck it into their slacks?

[Dejah Thoris]

ok, ive discovered that Holland has their dress code on their website. cook beans. so, if I dress the way the dress code says ill be ok, even if what they suggest isnt really formal. right?

[iancal]

It was my DW who actually put me on to this. We were at a table some time ago dressed properly (but wishing we had just gone informal to the buffet) when a busybody at the table made a rude comment about another guest who happened to walk by our table. DW started snickering and trying to hide her smile when she realized this busybody did not come close to meeting the rules. I leaned over to ask what was so funny and of course she told me.

We had one or two formal evening after that but always scanned the tables and voila.... Never mind the men, you would be surprised at how many women do NOT meet the rules. They look just fine to me but they are not complying. If DW had not told me, I would never have know...or cared. I still don't.

People in glass houses should not throw rocks I guess.

[bcd2010]

They seem to think that a pair of slacks, a shiney top, and a string of 'Sunday beads' suffices for formal wear.

And here I thought I was the only one with this perspective!

[baggal]

Nope, it will not work.

On the other side of the coin, there are many, many ladies who attend formal evening in the MDR who are not dressed in a formal fashion-far from it. They seem to think that a pair of slacks, a shiney top, and a string of 'Sunday beads' suffices for formal wear.

They are as guilty as someone who is wearing jeans, ie they are not dressing to code. There is a tendency to point out the jeans issue etc. but not the many others who really skirt the rules and pretend that they 'comply'. They don't.

Not that it bothers me in the least, because it does not. I just find it a little amusing that some posters pick and choose their examples to suit their personal opinion.

I didn't mean to only comment on men - I have seen women at dinner who in fact look like they just came from cleaning the garage or painting the house! Torn, dirty and ripped jeans can be worn by both sexes!

[serendipity1499]

It was my DW who actually put me on to this. We were at a table some time ago dressed properly (but wishing we had just gone informal to the buffet) when a busybody at the table made a rude comment about another guest who happened to walk by our table. DW started snickering and trying to hide her smile when she realized this busybody did not come close to meeting the rules. I leaned over to ask what was so funny and of course she told me.

We had one or two formal evening after that but always scanned the tables and voila.... Never mind the men, you would be surprised at how many women do NOT meet the rules. They look just fine to me but they are not complying. If DW had not told me, I would never have know...or cared. I still don't.

People in glass houses should not throw rocks I guess.

Actually HAL's RULE for Formal Night Attire is not really considered True Formal Attire..

To be truly formal, men would wear a TUX & ladies would wear a long gown, or ladies tux, with Nylons (YES NYLONS) & strappy shoes...Draper's & Damon has an elegant ladies tux with either pants or skirt in their catalogue..:)

However, IMO Ladies who wear sparkle tops with dressy Pants or Long Skirts & strappy shoes do meet HAL's Rules for Formal wear even if they are sans nylons... And men who wear a dark suit w/tie or even a Blazer with tie, instead of a tux also meet HAL's rules for Formal night..

One poster in this thread was flabbergasted & wondered if ladies still wore Nylons...I'm one of those who do still wear Nylons when I dress up...;);)

I would miss Formal Nights as we don't get to dress that much since moving to Fla..DH who has always worn his tux decided on the last few cruises to wear a dark suit instead, much to my disappointment..But he felt he was in the minority wearing a tux.

Only 17 days 16 hours & 42 min. till our next cruise on the NA..I can't wait!:)

Cheers...Betty

[sail7seas]

Nope, it will not work.

On the other side of the coin, there are many, many ladies who attend formal evening in the MDR who are not dressed in a formal fashion-far from it. They seem to think that a pair of slacks, a shiney top, and a string of 'Sunday beads' suffices for formal wear.

They are as guilty as someone who is wearing jeans, ie they are not dressing to code. There is a tendency to point out the jeans issue etc. but not the many others who really skirt the rules and pretend that they 'comply'. They don't.

Not that it bothers me in the least, because it does not. I just find it a little amusing that some posters pick and choose their examples to suit their personal opinion.

I think the difference is some seem to make some effort while the other seem to deliberately flaunt their violation and non-compliance. Maybe it's just in the attitude they demonstrate?





LOL I always wonder what all the ladies who post here that they wear a "sparkly top" on formal nights think makes their "sparkly top" formal wear. Do they tuck it into their slacks?


What HAL calls formal for gentlemen can be thought of as a guide for the ladies.

If HAL says a sport jacket and tie suffices for formal for men, then a 'church dress' is about the equivalent for women, isn't it? :confused:

(This coming from someone who wore long gowns almost always on formal night. I no longer do. It's down to cocktail dresses/ LBD's now......)

[RuthC]

If HAL says a sport jacket and tie suffices for formal for men, then a 'church dress' is about the equivalent for women, isn't it? :confused:
Not really, imo. If it's appropriate for church, even years ago "appropriate", then it probably isn't dressy enough for evening.

Besides, have you seen what some people wear to church these days? :eek: Honestly, I see people who look like they just came off the golf course. And even less dressy than that. :rolleyes:
When you look like you'd have to dress up to go to a cook-out, then you're not wearing something appropriate for a formal night
---even by the HAL definition of the word.

[iancal]

I think someone who wears a pair of designer jeans and a smart shirt and maybe a jacket is showing every bit as much thought as the lady who wears the slacks and sparkly top. I really do not see the difference....unless of course the lady's outfit is dirty or ripped.

I cannot comment on the attitude that someone demonstrates untill I have actually spoken to them.

[Mar56]

You know, this is the first thread on formal wear, since I joined CC in late August, that has made ME feel bad/uneasy. My husband is taking his tux and I was very excitedly packing my beautiful 3 piece pant suit - white and black with sparkles and overjacket, and then my black flowing dress pants and beautiful green satine top for two of the three formal nights.

Now apparently that's not good enough.
It was never my intention to not comply - we chose HAL for our first cruise because we wanted that "elegance" and when I read that not everyone would be "dressed up" I was disappointed as I thought it would be lovely to be in a room where everyone looked amazing. I guess I'm going to be one of those women that gets snickered at.

Mar56

[surfergirle]

And here I thought I was the only one with this perspective!

2nd that

[TeaDrinkers2012]

I like the idea of less formal nights - NCL makes it optional - so it's up to the traveler whether they dress up or not and both get into dining area on formal nights


My handle got hi jacked - what's going on here ???


how does one get his handle back ?

something about deck chairs & towels on reserve

[sail7seas]

Not really, imo. If it's appropriate for church, even years ago "appropriate", then it probably isn't dressy enough for evening.

Besides, have you seen what some people wear to church these days? :eek: Honestly, I see people who look like they just came off the golf course. And even less dressy than that. :rolleyes:
When you look like you'd have to dress up to go to a cook-out, then you're not wearing something appropriate for a formal night
---even by the HAL definition of the word.


Yes, Ruth....... of course, it depends what said ladies wear to church. :)

HAL has approved the dumbing down of formal to a gentleman in a blazer and tie being acceptable. If that is what they accept as formal for a gentleman, a lady has a valid argument to say she's equivalent in anything much that shows a bit of effort.

This seems to be what HAL is saying.

You know my DH has always been in the tuxedo crowd and me in my gown. DH may be bringing his tuxedo for his last few cruises. I have dumbed down to cocktail dresses and LBD's.

I'm not going to fight this fight. It doesn't matter enough to us anymore. It used to but we've evolved as HAL has done so.

[Raring to go]

My last cruise was on the Celebrity Xpedition and there were no formal nights. I did not notice that people were acting boorish because they did not dress up in long gowns or tuxes. Those of us who cruise with more frequency than others need to stop and think that many people save for a long time to take a cruise. Why should a woman spend hundreds of dollars on a dress that she will have no use for after the cruise? I say if you feel special in your "slacks, sparkly tops and Sunday beads," go right ahead and wear them. It will not change the way my food tastes one little bit.

[sail7seas]

I've just stated I'm not going to fight this fight and it matters less to me now than it did five years ago but I will always assert what other people wear does influence the whole ambience and feeling of the dining room.

It does matter how other people are dressed to those in their general area. When the tables are set beautifully with crisp white clothes, the stemware sparkles and flatware shines, gentlemen in tuxes and ladies in gowns set a very elegant, sophisticated, beautiful mood. A man in a blazer and tie is neat and polite but it is not the same setting. Our minds are so receptive to the subtleties of suggestion and elegant dress 'suggests' an elegant evening. HAL goes to the trouble of putting chair covers on, 'dressing the tables' and presenting a bit special menu...... What people wear is all part of the 'theatre'.

I am okay with giving up that 'fantasy' but I greatly appreciate not everyone feels that way. It is another sad change to our increasingly sloppy, messy, undisciplined world. Yes, I know it's one's vacation and blah blah blah....... I accept and even agree with some of the arguments but I also see the side of those who treasure and are struggling to maintain something resemblilng an elegant eveing in a lovely dining room on the beautiful 'dam' ships.

[George C]

I go by the rules and always wear a TUX but since jacket and tie is not being enforced maybe rules to change to just jacket. ( or maybe a fancy baseball cap)

[Raring to go]

I go by the rules and always wear a TUX but since jacket and tie is not being enforced maybe rules to change to just jacket. ( or maybe a fancy baseball cap)

Goodness George, if you dress in just a fancy baseball cap, you will really give them something to talk about!

[tip]

First of all, I do not believe that HAL has rules, but rather suggestions for dress. I intend to wear my blue blazer, dress shirt, tie, dark slacks, and dress shoes on formal night on our upcoming Noordam cruise. I am comfortable with my choice of clothing. I hope that someone will not be offended, but quite frankly it is too bad if they do!

[Typhoon1]

Page Two and counting.

[iancal]

We would never snicker at what someone wears. Frankly, we just don't care that much.

What we were snickering about was the mean busybody at our table who was making particularly rude comments about other people's dress standards when she was not dressed to the requested standard. |Her poor husband never uttered a word through dinner...he knew what others at the table were thinking.

[serendipity1499]

You know, this is the first thread on formal wear, since I joined CC in late August, that has made ME feel bad/uneasy. My husband is taking his tux and I was very excitedly packing my beautiful 3 piece pant suit - white and black with sparkles and overjacket, and then my black flowing dress pants and beautiful green satine top for two of the three formal nights.

Now apparently that's not good enough.
It was never my intention to not comply - we chose HAL for our first cruise because we wanted that "elegance" and when I read that not everyone would be "dressed up" I was disappointed as I thought it would be lovely to be in a room where everyone looked amazing. I guess I'm going to be one of those women that gets snickered at.

Mar56

You will look lovely in your sparkled 3 piece pant suit & your flowing dress pants with your emerald green sateen top..Just hold your head up high & smile..No one will snicker about you!

I just ordered an elegant Teal Frost silky pant suit with a Jacquard jacket for one of my formal nights..I'm getting tired of always wearing black & white or black & gold or silver..So for once I'll wear a different color on at least one Formal night..:)LOL And if someone snickers, I really couldn't care less! :D I might even convince DH to take his TUX this time..

Since I lost weight I'm having a ball shopping for new clothes & picking out some older outfits from my closet for this cruise! We have four formal nights & two nights at the Pinnacle, so will need six dressy outfits!;)

Cheers...Betty

[kazu]

You know, this is the first thread on formal wear, since I joined CC in late August, that has made ME feel bad/uneasy. My husband is taking his tux and I was very excitedly packing my beautiful 3 piece pant suit - white and black with sparkles and overjacket, and then my black flowing dress pants and beautiful green satine top for two of the three formal nights.

Now apparently that's not good enough.
It was never my intention to not comply - we chose HAL for our first cruise because we wanted that "elegance" and when I read that not everyone would be "dressed up" I was disappointed as I thought it would be lovely to be in a room where everyone looked amazing. I guess I'm going to be one of those women that gets snickered at.

Mar56

No worries - you will be fine. If you are going to the MDR the dress code is in effect :) We always dress up and I have never been snickered at. In fact, most people are dressed up. The only ones who are not and 'got thorugb' the ones who will stick out like a sore thumb.

Relax, pack and plan your cruise. You will be elegant, feel elegant and be treated as such on those special evenings:)

[sapper1]

You know, this is the first thread on formal wear, since I joined CC in late August, that has made ME feel bad/uneasy. My husband is taking his tux and I was very excitedly packing my beautiful 3 piece pant suit - white and black with sparkles and overjacket, and then my black flowing dress pants and beautiful green satine top for two of the three formal nights.

Now apparently that's not good enough.
It was never my intention to not comply - we chose HAL for our first cruise because we wanted that "elegance" and when I read that not everyone would be "dressed up" I was disappointed as I thought it would be lovely to be in a room where everyone looked amazing. I guess I'm going to be one of those women that gets snickered at.

Mar56
Don't you worry about snickering. Your outfits sound lovely. My husband and I always do formal night and we always dress up to go to the Pinnacle Grill. Nobody has snickered at us and we certainly don't feel out of place.

A lot of what is said on these boards does not manifest itself on a cruise.

[Himself]

To me the best thing about formal night in the MDR is the better food selections. I wouldn't want that to go away. m--

I agree!

[Himself]

Personally, I hope HAL keeps the formal nights. I think thing have gotten too casual over the years.

[erewhon]

I've just stated I'm not going to fight this fight and it matters less to me now than it did five years ago but I will always assert what other people wear does influence the whole ambience and feeling of the dining room.

It does matter how other people are dressed to those in their general area. When the tables are set beautifully with crisp white clothes, the stemware sparkles and flatware shines, gentlemen in tuxes and ladies in gowns set a very elegant, sophisticated, beautiful mood. A man in a blazer and tie is neat and polite but it is not the same setting. Our minds are so receptive to the subtleties of suggestion and elegant dress 'suggests' an elegant evening. HAL goes to the trouble of putting chair covers on, 'dressing the tables' and presenting a bit special menu...... What people wear is all part of the 'theatre'.

I am okay with giving up that 'fantasy' but I greatly appreciate not everyone feels that way. It is another sad change to our increasingly sloppy, messy, undisciplined world. Yes, I know it's one's vacation and blah blah blah....... I accept and even agree with some of the arguments but I also see the side of those who treasure and are struggling to maintain something resemblilng an elegant eveing in a lovely dining room on the beautiful 'dam' ships.



There were no Formal Night chair covers on the Volendam, on our pre Christmas cruise, or during the 36 days we were on board her in 2010.

The dining room looked just the same as any other night.

[sail7seas]

Okay?? :confused:

[Wannaknow]

As a point of information, I just received the Jan./Feb. issue of Virtuoso Life (The Travelers Guide to Inspired Pursuits). In a featured article "All Hands on Deck - A Travel Advisor's Cruising Truths," there are 6 Tips for the perfect cruise. The last tip states:

"Don't be turned off by formal nights. They are fewer in the cruise industry in general and now seem to encompass everything from tuxedos to jackets without ties. Many cruise lines lean towards 'country club casual' throughout the voyage."

This would seem to indicate that the choosy, experienced traveler does not want to deal with formal dress while traveling.

Time (if we're still here) will tell.

[chrispb]

Actually HAL's RULE for Formal Night Attire is not really considered True Formal Attire..

To be truly formal, men would wear a TUX & ladies would wear a long gown, or ladies tux, with Nylons (YES NYLONS) & strappy shoes...Draper's & Damon has an elegant ladies tux with either pants or skirt in their catalogue..:)

However, IMO Ladies who wear sparkle tops with dressy Pants or Long Skirts & strappy shoes do meet HAL's Rules for Formal wear even if they are sans nylons... And men who wear a dark suit w/tie or even a Blazer with tie, instead of a tux also meet HAL's rules for Formal night..

One poster in this thread was flabbergasted & wondered if ladies still wore Nylons...I'm one of those who do still wear Nylons when I dress up...;);)

I would miss Formal Nights as we don't get to dress that much since moving to Fla..DH who has always worn his tux decided on the last few cruises to wear a dark suit instead, much to my disappointment..But he felt he was in the minority wearing a tux.

Only 17 days 16 hours & 42 min. till our next cruise on the NA..I can't wait!:)

Cheers...Betty
Ah, I guess that wink means you were 'em with a suspender belt? :D
Off to look on ebay for NYLONS .....

[Jett456]

So, on Hal's formal night the MDR dining room is formal only? Are there 2 dining rooms and the Lido? Is one dining room used as a casual on formal night or are they both formal? I have cruised a few times on NCL and always felt that they should designate 1 dining room for people that would like to dress nicely. Not that I want to be formal but I respect that some people enjoy it and they should not be sitting next to someone in their gym clothes.

[sail7seas]

HAL Dining Room (with exception of Prinsendam) are two levels. Upper level is used for tradtional fixed dining times and assigned tables for those who choose that style of dining. The lower level is used for flexible time dining and seating and times are assigned either by reservation earlier in the day or upon arrival between prescribed hours when the dining room is open and seating guests.

Both levels are dress code of the day and if it is formal night, guests are asked to dress according to HAL's description of formal if they dine in the MDR.

Alternative restaurants, Pinnacle and Tamarind, also call for formal dress on formal nights.

One does not have to dress formal to eat in Lido.

[Viesczy]

Yuck!

WHAT? Colors and style are good!

My grandfathers were buried in

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/EsmoquinSombra.jpg/170px-EsmoquinSombra.jpg

Derek

[Dejah Thoris]

First of all, I do not believe that HAL has rules, but rather suggestions for dress. I intend to wear my blue blazer, dress shirt, tie, dark slacks, and dress shoes on formal night on our upcoming Noordam cruise. I am comfortable with my choice of clothing. I hope that someone will not be offended, but quite frankly it is too bad if they do!

what you describe sounds lovely, honey. its like what my John Carter is going to wear to the formal doos.

the dress code does contain one rule. it says that shorts and t shirts, swim wear and work out clothing are not allowed during the evening hours in the dining rooms and other pubic spaces. sounds like a rule to me. if so it doesnt sound like a biggie to me.

[bozemanman]

?… Would someone please pass the popcorn…?:rolleyes:

[Hlitner]

It nevers seems to matter to HA what a majority of cruisers want, so who knows what will be their future policy. Certainly an overwhelming majority of HA passengers would prefer tougher no-smoking rules but HA as refused to deal with this situation for many years (despite their surveys). So even if a majority wanted formal nights or did not want formal nights why would we expect the cruise line to respond. Personally, DW and I enjoy dressing-up on formal nights but it is obvious that more and more cruisers no longer want to drag the clothes to the cruises and dress-up. It is interesting to us that some of the ultra-luxury lines have even moved away from formal. And then there is the issue of enforcing "dress codes" and it no longer seems that HA (or other lines) have the desire or will to enforce their own dress codes :(

Hank

[GeriatricNurse]

[quote=sail7seas;31935829]HAL Dining Room (with exception of Prinsendam) are two levels. Upper level is used for tradtional fixed dining times and assigned tables for those who choose that style of dining. The lower level is used for flexible time dining and seating and times are assigned either by reservation earlier in the day or upon arrival between prescribed hours when the dining room is open and seating guests.

Both levels are dress code of the day and if it is formal night, guests are asked to dress according to HAL's description of formal if they dine in the MDR.

Alternative restaurants, Pinnacle and Tamarind, also call for formal dress on formal nights.

One does not have to dress formal to eat in Lido.


Nor does one have to dress formal to eat in Canaletto, either! ;)

[kazu]

[quote=sail7seas;31935829]HAL Dining Room (with exception of Prinsendam) are two levels. Upper level is used for tradtional fixed dining times and assigned tables for those who choose that style of dining. The lower level is used for flexible time dining and seating and times are assigned either by reservation earlier in the day or upon arrival between prescribed hours when the dining room is open and seating guests.

Both levels are dress code of the day and if it is formal night, guests are asked to dress according to HAL's description of formal if they dine in the MDR.

Alternative restaurants, Pinnacle and Tamarind, also call for formal dress on formal nights.

One does not have to dress formal to eat in Lido.


Nor does one have to dress formal to eat in Canaletto, either! ;)

Why did you cut out the last part of her post:confused::confused: she specifically said that you do not have to dress up to eat in the Lido (Canaletto is on the Lido):) I know you don't like formal - but I thought her post was very clear and included ALL the alternatives:confused:

[jjfromsd]

<snip>

Luckily us fellas can get away with same suit! ;) We can roll in with a bit of style and color, always looking good!

Something like

http://www.mensusa.com/images/image8717.jpg

</snip>

Derek
If I could get this one with a matching hat, I'll wear it on my next cruise. :D

[GeriatricNurse]

[quote=GeriatricNurse;31946511]

Why did you cut out the last part of her post:confused::confused: she specifically said that you do not have to dress up to eat in the Lido (Canaletto is on the Lido):) I know you don't like formal - but I thought her post was very clear and included ALL the alternatives:confused:

The Canaletto, although located in the Lido, is a SEPARATE alternative dining venue and, in my view, should have been INCLUDED as another dining venue that does NOT require formal dress on formal night! ;) And no, I did not think that her post was very clear and did not include ALL the alternatives! Canaletto had been omitted! ;)

[iancal]

Hlitner is correct...HAL has 'abandoned ship' on dress code enforcement.

[kazu]

[quote=kazu;31946622]

The Canaletto, although located in the Lido, is a SEPARATE alternative dining venue and, in my view, should have been INCLUDED as another dining venue that does NOT require formal dress on formal night! ;) And no, I did not think that her post was very clear and did not include ALL the alternatives! Canaletto had been omitted! ;)

Well, I don't like to argue with Canadians, and especially a geriatric nurse, so we will just let it go = but she did say in her last line that the Lido was not formal - so we'll just agree to disagree:) I'll eat in the MDR as I like to dress up and you'll eat in the Lido or the Canaletto (just to be specific) as you don't like to dress up:)

and some day - we'll meet in a bar on some dam ship and have a drink together:)

[Typhoon1]

Hlitner is correct...HAL has 'abandoned ship' on dress code enforcement.

It is more like dress code suggested, not required.

[Wakepatrol]

Yes this is wording companies often use for the clueless.

It's along the same line in instruction manuals... that suggest you turn off the power before working on your breaker panel.

Don't jack your car up on a hill and them get underneath it.

Don't eat the little packets that come packed with your new stereo

Yes it's formal night. Chairs covered, china set, live music in the background. It's "suggested" one looks good,and not show up in their Zumba workout ensemble complete with pit stains.

[nschamp]

I've just stated I'm not going to fight this fight and it matters less to me now than it did five years ago but I will always assert what other people wear does influence the whole ambience and feeling of the dining room.




Then for you, it's a personal problem :)

[sail7seas]

No, not really. :)

It's a great idea to quote the whole post or at the least indicate you have 'snipped it' and taken one piece out of context.

[Globaliser]

I've just stated I'm not going to fight this fight and it matters less to me now than it did five years ago but I will always assert what other people wear does influence the whole ambience and feeling of the dining room.

It does matter how other people are dressed to those in their general area. When the tables are set beautifully with crisp white clothes, the stemware sparkles and flatware shines, gentlemen in tuxes and ladies in gowns set a very elegant, sophisticated, beautiful mood. A man in a blazer and tie is neat and polite but it is not the same setting. Our minds are so receptive to the subtleties of suggestion and elegant dress 'suggests' an elegant evening. HAL goes to the trouble of putting chair covers on, 'dressing the tables' and presenting a bit special menu...... What people wear is all part of the 'theatre'.

I am okay with giving up that 'fantasy' but I greatly appreciate not everyone feels that way. It is another sad change to our increasingly sloppy, messy, undisciplined world. Yes, I know it's one's vacation and blah blah blah....... I accept and even agree with some of the arguments but I also see the side of those who treasure and are struggling to maintain something resemblilng an elegant eveing in a lovely dining room on the beautiful 'dam' ships.http://boards.cruisecritic.com/images/icons/icon14.gif http://boards.cruisecritic.com/images/icons/icon14.gif http://boards.cruisecritic.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[kazu]

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[1 HappyCruiser]

Yes this is wording companies often use for the clueless.

It's along the same line in instruction manuals... that suggest you turn off the power before working on your breaker panel.



Sorry, but that one is totally unnecessary. :p

[pms4104]

Can't help wondering ... if HAL were to abandon formal nights because, perhaps, a majority of passengers might wish it so ... would HAL also adjust the typical formal night menus and put an end to serving lobster tails and other specialties typical of these evenings?

[kazu]

Can't help wondering ... if HAL were to abandon formal nights because, perhaps, a majority of passengers might wish it so ... would HAL also adjust the typical formal night menus and put an end to serving lobster tails and other specialties typical of these evenings?

I wouldn't be surprised - I don't believe the lobster tails are offered in the Lido - but who knows?

[pms4104]

I wouldn't be surprised - I don't believe the lobster tails are offered in the Lido - but who knows?
More casual food for more casual dress, perhaps?

Haven't we all, at some point in our life, been told "Be careful what you wish for."

[Richie2pies]

Formal nights will be gone in the future. I just got off a HAL cruise on the Eurodam and the CD stated that you don't have to dress the whole evening, only for the dining room. If you wanted to change to a more casual outfit for a show, etc. later in the evening, that would be fine. Can formal requirements being relaxed be far behind? I hope so.

[sail7seas]

Formal nights will be gone in the future. I just got off a HAL cruise on the Eurodam and the CD stated that you don't have to dress the whole evening, only for the dining room. If you wanted to change to a more casual outfit for a show, etc. later in the evening, that would be fine. Can formal requirements being relaxed be far behind? I hope so.


Seems he's trying hard to get the best attendance he can at the shows. Maybe he's had way too many empty seats and people are questioning why guests are skipping the shows? Don't know but am 'musing'?

CD needs GOOD ratings at end of cruise surveys.

[kazu]

Formal nights will be gone in the future. I just got off a HAL cruise on the Eurodam and the CD stated that you don't have to dress the whole evening, only for the dining room. If you wanted to change to a more casual outfit for a show, etc. later in the evening, that would be fine. Can formal requirements being relaxed be far behind? I hope so.

I have seen lots of people do this - dress up and then want to change - so if the cd wants to let them know it's ok (ie. no fashion police) I don't see anything wrong with that. Even dh likes to remove a tie now and then ;)

I don't think it means the end of formal nights - it means they know some will not be dressed for the shows - so no worries - everyone can go with the flow:)

[kalliekae]

That's the way is started on NCL maybe 10 years ago, and now its jeans and tee shirts almost anywhere, anytime onboard their ships:eek:


Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. We were on the Oasis right before Christmas and the majority of people were dresssed up for the formal night. There were very few tuxes, but almost every woman had on a cocktail dress and the men were in dark suits. Maybe it was because Christmas was so close, but I was surprised and happy to see so many dressed up. It made the evening that much more special, IMO.

[1 HappyCruiser]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. We were on the Oasis right before Christmas and the majority of people were dresssed up for the formal night. There were very few tuxes, but almost every woman had on a cocktail dress and the men were in dark suits. Maybe it was because Christmas was so close, but I was surprised and happy to see so many dressed up. It made the evening that much more special, IMO.

I'll bet your food even tasted better. :p

[kazu]

I'll bet your food even tasted better. :p

It normally does :D

[sail7seas]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdchiefthom
That's the way is started on NCL maybe 10 years ago, and now its jeans and tee shirts almost anywhere, anytime onboard their ships





Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. We were on the Oasis right before Christmas and the majority of people were dresssed up for the formal night. There were very few tuxes, but almost every woman had on a cocktail dress and the men were in dark suits. Maybe it was because Christmas was so close, but I was surprised and happy to see so many dressed up. It made the evening that much more special, IMO.

Kalliekae


Oasis is not NCL.
It is RCI.
Perhaps that makes a difference? I don't know as I have not sailed RCI in years and never NCL.

[Wakepatrol]

Can't help wondering ... if HAL were to abandon formal nights because, perhaps, a majority of passengers might wish it so ... would HAL also adjust the typical formal night menus and put an end to serving lobster tails and other specialties typical of these evenings?

Surf & Turf will be replaced with Hamburger Helper and
Hot Pockets.

[FrankNJ]

Yes this is wording companies often use for the clueless.

It's along the same line in instruction manuals... that suggest you turn off the power before working on your breaker panel.

Don't jack your car up on a hill and them get underneath it.

Don't eat the little packets that come packed with your new stereo

Yes it's formal night. Chairs covered, china set, live music in the background. It's "suggested" one looks good,and not show up in their Zumba workout ensemble complete with pit stains.

Interestingly enough , I knew a lady who did eat one of those little packets. She was without her glasses and thought the packet was a sweetener , and she put it in her
coffee. She was in her eighties. The doctor was called and he advised that the silica gel packet would do her no harm . She lived to be almost one hundred.

[iancal]

We stopped ordering lobster tails, or any form thereof, some time ago-not just on HAL but other lines as well.

The seemed to go downhill fast-not just in quality but also very much in preparation. It is so very difficult to prepare and serve lobster properly in the banquet style service of a cruise ship MDR. They can cut out the baked alaska at the same time, complete with undercooked marangue, as far as I am concerned.

[kazu]

We stopped ordering lobster tails, or any form thereof, some time ago-not just on HAL but other lines as well.

The seemed to go downhill fast-not just in quality but also very much in preparation. It is so very difficult to prepare and serve lobster properly in the banquet style service of a cruise ship MDR. They can cut out the baked alaska at the same time, complete with undercooked marangue, as far as I am concerned.

I have to confess the lobster tails were very good on the Prinsendam:) maybe because it's a smaller ship?

[RuthC]

I have to confess the lobster tails were very good on the Prinsendam:) maybe because it's a smaller ship?
Everything's better on the Prinsendam, because it's a smaller ship. :D

[billyelliot]

Having read all the posts on Formal wear, I am now a little worried that I will be disappointed on my 1st Hal cruise. Formal night is part of the cruise, along with the beautifully laid tables and fine food. In my opinion too many people can't be bothered to make the effort.
I look forward to the getting dressed for dinner on formal night, long gown and all..... My Husband always wears a tux. In fact I dress up every night! We have to comply with airline baggage and are never over. Formal wear doesn't weigh any more and I take shoes to match every outfit lol........
On our recent Cunnard cruise, I don't think I saw anybody not in full formal wear. Everybody looked lovely.
Oh well I think I will be more comfortable over dressed than underdressed.:rolleyes:

[RuthC]

I look forward to the getting dressed for dinner on formal night, long gown and all..... My Husband always wears a tux.


Oh well I think I will be more comfortable over dressed than underdressed.:rolleyes:
You can't be considered overdressed in long gown and tux on formal night.
Now, polish up those jewels and look good!

[scraplady]

Due to the fact that we are flying from NC to Anchorage and have a 7 day land tour prior to our cruise, we were thinking about forgoing the formal nights, as my DH does not own a tux and he didn't really want to pack his suit.

Is there anything else connected to formal night other than dinner? If we don't do the formal night, can we still do the shows?

If we do decide to try formal night, will my long blk velvet skirt and red velvet or black metallic tops suffice. I have a tea length gown, but it would not survive the packing.

[Karennella]

Our friends did a Cunard cruise from Africa to Sydney early last year and later a HAL Alaska cruise. They commented how Cunard was much more formal in dress.
I personally find the formal nights a bit pointless as nothing else really happens. You just dress up to dress up. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't so hard to pack for a long trip with 20kg allowance.

[kazu]

Due to the fact that we are flying from NC to Anchorage and have a 7 day land tour prior to our cruise, we were thinking about forgoing the formal nights, as my DH does not own a tux and he didn't really want to pack his suit.

Is there anything else connected to formal night other than dinner? If we don't do the formal night, can we still do the shows?

If we do decide to try formal night, will my long blk velvet skirt and red velvet or black metallic tops suffice. I have a tea length gown, but it would not survive the packing.

yes to both questions :D Your skirt and tops would be fine:D

[Middle Aged and Happy]

On my last cruise on the Westerdam (only a 6 day on January 2, 2012), when I printed my boarding passes it showed 6 smart casual evenings - no formal night. I called Seattle and was told that they were trying something new. When we were on the ship though, the printed program showed the fifth night as formal. Later in the morning the CD announced that it was optional formal and that casual would be admitted in the dining room.

[GeriatricNurse]

Due to the fact that we are flying from NC to Anchorage and have a 7 day land tour prior to our cruise, we were thinking about forgoing the formal nights, as my DH does not own a tux and he didn't really want to pack his suit.

Is there anything else connected to formal night other than dinner? If we don't do the formal night, can we still do the shows?

If we do decide to try formal night, will my long blk velvet skirt and red velvet or black metallic tops suffice. I have a tea length gown, but it would not survive the packing.

Good thought, (about forgoing the formal nights)! ;) Essentially, the only reason to dress formally on formal nights is to gain entrance to the MDR and PG for dinner! Other than that there is NO reason to dress formally, (including going to the shows)! :) Smart dress casual works for ANY evening, including all formal nights! :)

[Aruba]

Everything's better on the Prinsendam, because it's a smaller ship. :D
You've got that right, Ruth. How I would love to sail again on Prinsendam some day!
She was docked next to us in Belfast last summer. That was the first time I had seen Prinsendam since the re-do when the rooms were added to the back. I had wondered if the new design would change her classic "line" but I don't think it did.

[3rdGenCunarder]

I like formal nights. We both enjoy dressing up for an elegant evening. There is a different ambiance when everyone is in formal wear. I've done more Cunard cruises than other lines, so formal wear for dinner seems normal to me while cruising. On our last Cunard cruise, I think I saw two men in suits on formal nights. All the other men I saw wore tuxes or kilts. And women were in gowns or cocktail dresses. Not 'church dresses' or knit tops with glitter on them. And nobody went back to the cabin to change after dinner.

On our river cruise, there were no formal nights. Dress code for dinner was country-club casual for want of a better term. And people did dress that way--slacks (not jeans) and collared shirts (not t-shirts) for men, nice slacks or skirt and tops for women. Everyone looked nice, and that was fine. Nobody stuck out as overdressed or underdressed.

I don't like the "optional" route that HAL seems to be drifting toward. They want to be all things to all people. The dress code descriptions are vague, and enforcement at the MDR is variable. They need to make a decision about who/what they are and stick to it. Waffling doesn't work--the result is the gradual lowering of the sartorial limbo bar (thank you, Ruth, for that expression!). I think I would rather see HAL drop formal nights than have optional formal nights IF they would hold the line on dress to what it is on casual nights now, and not just slide downhill like NCL.

[3rdGenCunarder]

Our friends did a Cunard cruise from Africa to Sydney early last year and later a HAL Alaska cruise. They commented how Cunard was much more formal in dress.
I personally find the formal nights a bit pointless as nothing else really happens. You just dress up to dress up. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't so hard to pack for a long trip with 20kg allowance.

Yup, sure do!

For me, the dressing up and formal nights are part of the fantasy. I can eat dinner in jeans any time at home. But I can't dress formally for dinner at home because I'm the cook and I don't want to get bugle beads in the soup!

[RuthC]

Is there anything else connected to formal night other than dinner? If we don't do the formal night, can we still do the shows?
Formal night is the night itself, all around the public areas of the ship. It is not just dinner.
Yes, you can go to the show, in the sense that no one will refuse you admittance, but you will be underdressed for the venue if you are not dressed up at least a little bit.
If we do decide to try formal night, will my long blk velvet skirt and red velvet or black metallic tops suffice. I have a tea length gown, but it would not survive the packing.
The black velvet skirt and top sounds fine. You can wear the same outfit twice, so you won't have to bring as much.
If your husband doesn't want to bring a suit, a sport coat and tie with a dress shirt meets the code. If that's still too much to pack, then he could rent a tux. That way he would be nicely dressed without any extra packing.

[Opinions]

Formal night is the night itself, all around the public areas of the ship.

Isn't the Lido a "public area"?

[3rdGenCunarder]

Isn't the Lido a "public area"?

This is where the issue gets cloudy. HAL says that formal night is all over the ship, but the Lido does not require that the dress code be followed. Soooo, how do you get from your cabin to the Lido without "breaking the rules?"

And then there's the CD somebody mentioned who said it was OK to change and then go to the show. Unless things have changed, that's contrary to company policy. Or is staying dressed up all night not "policy" but just another "suggestion?"

[jkrislc]

I don't like the "optional" route that HAL seems to be drifting toward. They want to be all things to all people. The dress code descriptions are vague, and enforcement at the MDR is variable. They need to make a decision about who/what they are and stick to it. Waffling doesn't work--the result is the gradual lowering of the sartorial limbo bar (thank you, Ruth, for that expression!). I think I would rather see HAL drop formal nights than have optional formal nights IF they would hold the line on dress to what it is on casual nights now, and not just slide downhill like NCL.

Consistency is all that I ask for. I don't personally care if they go the optional route as long as I know in advance. What irks me is having a policy regarding formal night and then arbitrarily enforcing it. Make a policy and stick to it.

Imagine if the smoking policy was as variable as the dress code policy; now that would be an disastrous debate.

[djg541]

For what its worth re: formal nights,
Last spring on our 2 week Alaska cruise aboard the Amsterdam, we did notice the MDR would be far from full on formal nights,and overheard other passengers commenting later on what a zoo the Lido DR was the same nights.
Kind of a sad comment when people aren't willing to put on a tie or a nice dress and put on the ritz for an evening, but to each their own.They paid their fare too.

[buckirj1]

For what its worth re: formal nights,
Last spring on our 2 week Alaska cruise aboard the Amsterdam, we did notice the MDR would be far from full on formal nights,and overheard other passengers commenting later on what a zoo the Lido DR was the same nights.

In the end, this may be the deciding factor. When the number of Lido passengers approaches or exceeds the numbers of the MDR crowd, it'll make sense to change things. Until then, I wouldn't worry too much about it, regardless of any of our opinions of formal nights/dress.

[puli]

LOL I always wonder what all the ladies who post here that they wear a "sparkly top" on formal nights think makes their "sparkly top" formal wear. Do they tuck it into their slacks?

When I last looked at HAL's "suggested" dress attire for formal nights Pantsuit for women was listed first! before long gown, etc. Many such outfits are comprized of dressy black pants with a coordinated "sparkly top".

[Amuse Bouche]

Yes, it will happen sooner or later. Some folks will miss them. Some folks will not. Some folks can accept change. Some folks can not.

And before folks lock and load, I do wear a jacket and tie on formal nights and I packing one for our Noordam cruise which is just 13 days away!;)

Haha! Seriously!!!!!!!!!

[michmike]

Change is good.. I'd be in favor of replacing formal nite w/ Toga nite. No packing worries.. use your bed sheets.

We dress appropriately and enjoy ourselves.

I supervise 4 civilians and 19 inmates all week when at home. When I'm on vacation I could care less what the other guy is doing (ok...SHORT of him or her smoking a cigar on the balcony next door). I barely want to be in charge of myself that week, much less anyone else. So park next to us w/ your t shirt and flip flops. No sneering glances from OUR 4 top.

Or how about this... set out waterford bowls at the bread pudding station for lunch and we'll call that the formal occasion for the trip.

[iancal]

I hope that HAL keeps formal nights. We do not attend but there are many people who enjoy this very much. There is room to satisfy both groups. We have no issue with selecting an alternate venue on formal evenings.

As for requesting formal attire in all public areas of the ship on formal nights...this request by HAL is somewhat contradictory given the suggested dress code in the Lido. It does not make sense and it is uneforceable-not that HAL is really enforcing much these days other than insisting on a valid reservation and credit card at embarkation.

[HamOp]

Imagine if the smoking policy was as variable as the dress code policy; now that would be an disastrous debate.

It just may be....too soon to tell yet.:eek:

[mamaofami]

Usually, there are 4 formal nights on a 14 day cruise, but on my Maasdam cruise last week, there were only 3. I'm sure my documents said there would be 4.

[fatcat04]

Change is good.. I'd be in favor of replacing formal nite w/ Toga nite. No packing worries.. use your bed sheets.

LOL.. having cruised on Costa twice in the Carib.. I hope you know what Dionysian visions await you should this come to fruition. Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone looks good in a toga.... at least not until the 4th or 5th drink that is. :D:D

[Pettifogger]

Change may be wonderful in medical technology and many other fields, but should be viewed cautiously by a cruise line that has excelled in providing traditional cruising for those who prefer it.

An important consideration might be the length of the cruise; shorter cruises (seven days or less) might be ones where passenger resistance to the change might be much less (why pay airfare for formal clothes that will only be worn once?) On the other hand, longer cruises probably draw somewhat older and more tradition-minded passengers who like what they're getting now on HAL.

(I confess an interest: I'm older and only book longer cruises.)

[lorekauf]

For what its worth re: formal nights,
Last spring on our 2 week Alaska cruise aboard the Amsterdam, we did notice the MDR would be far from full on formal nights,and overheard other passengers commenting later on what a zoo the Lido DR was the same nights.
Kind of a sad comment when people aren't willing to put on a tie or a nice dress and put on the ritz for an evening, but to each their own.They paid their fare too.
Every time I've had open dining the MDR has been PACKED on formal night so I wonder how the Lido can be too.

[jkrislc]

It just may be....too soon to tell yet.:eek:

Good point; I hope I just didn't jinx this thread. :)

While I would like to see the policy regarding formal nights change, I don't see that appealing to HAL's core demographic. And this isn't an age reference, I'm speaking of expectations, seasoned cruisers, exceptional service, etc. The traditional stuff that brought most of us to cruising and those things that many of us regret have gone away.

[michmike]

LOL.. having cruised on Costa twice in the Carib.. I hope you know what Dionysian visions await you should this come to fruition. Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone looks good in a toga.... at least not until the 4th or 5th drink that is. :D:D

*S* well I'm certainly open to that option...

brings back memories of that old refrain about going to bed at 2 with a 10 and waking up at 10 with a 2.... that might have been after drink 8 or 9 though

[1 HappyCruiser]

In the end, this may be the deciding factor. When the number of Lido passengers approaches or exceeds the numbers of the MDR crowd, it'll make sense to change things. Until then, I wouldn't worry too much about it, regardless of any of our opinions of formal nights/dress.

It may very well be a deciding factor as more people begin to realize they're being short changed of the better dishes in the Lido.

[tjcox9]

We just disembarked the Veendam on the 23rd and saw something in the dining room on formal nights we'd not witnessed before. In the open seating (don't know about traditional dining), there were several dark men's jackets hanging at the podiums.

We did see them give one man a jacket which he put on with his casual shoes, shirts and pants and was seated. I do not know what would have happened if he had refused.

Another nice thing they were doing was handing out sparkling wine to those who had to wait a few minutes for a table. That was a touch we'd not seen before.

Anyway, just curious if anyone has seen this on other ships. We did have the designated number (four, none optional) formal nights on this trip.

[cruisinjudy]

Usually, there are 4 formal nights on a 14 day cruise, but on my Maasdam cruise last week, there were only 3. I'm sure my documents said there would be 4.
Carol, I don't remember what the docs said, but we had so few sea days I am not surprised that we had only three formal nights.

[3rdGenCunarder]

We just disembarked the Veendam on the 23rd and saw something in the dining room on formal nights we'd not witnessed before. In the open seating (don't know about traditional dining), there were several dark men's jackets hanging at the podiums.

We did see them give one man a jacket which he put on with his casual shoes, shirts and pants and was seated. I do not know what would have happened if he had refused.

Another nice thing they were doing was handing out sparkling wine to those who had to wait a few minutes for a table. That was a touch we'd not seen before.

Anyway, just curious if anyone has seen this on other ships. We did have the designated number (four, none optional) formal nights on this trip.

I saw the jackets at the podium on Maasdam this past fall. As we were leaving dinner, I saw two men given jackets. I guess they had on shirts and ties but no jackets. I saw another man in polo shirt and khakis turned away.

[1 HappyCruiser]

I saw the jackets at the podium on Maasdam this past fall. As we were leaving dinner, I saw two men given jackets. I guess they had on shirts and ties but no jackets. I saw another man in polo shirt and khakis turned away.

How convenient of them. It appears that there's no need to lug a jacket any more- just a dress shirt will do, although I have seen many posts that claim that not having a jacket won't be questioned anyway.

[3rdGenCunarder]

How convenient of them. It appears that there's no need to lug a jacket any more- just a dress shirt will do, although I have seen many posts that claim that not having a jacket won't be questioned anyway.

I've seen those posts, too, and I'm not saying that every HAL ship does this. But someone saw it on Veendam, and I saw it on Maasdam. Just sayin', not preachin'.

Now I wish I'd asked the maitre d' what happens when they run out of lender jackets.

[Math Guy]

LOL.. having cruised on Costa twice in the Carib.. I hope you know what Dionysian visions await you should this come to fruition. Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone looks good in a toga.... at least not until the 4th or 5th drink that is. :D:D. I too remember the Toga Nights, aboard the Costa Atlantica. Yikes! I still have nightmares when recalling them.