"ND" after Noordam

[GatorV]

Just a quickie I am sure, and I can often figure these things out on my own but maybe my cold is making me foggy...looking at my mariner status, the Noordam that we sailed on in 1998, has "ND" after the name. what does this mean?

[jtl513]

I don't see any letters after the ship names in my Status list. Are there other letters after other ship names?

You could ask the Mariner Society ...

[DSLibrarian]

I think it's because it is not the "current" Noordam. In my list, my 2000 cruise on the Nieuw Amsterdam has "NA" after it and my 1993 cruise on the Westerdam has "WD" after it. Both are not the current ships. Not sure what the specific abbreviations actually stand for, though.

[CowPrincess]

I think it's because it is not the "current" Noordam. In my list, my 2000 cruise on the Nieuw Amsterdam has "NA" after it and my 1993 cruise on the Westerdam has "WD" after it. Both are not the current ships. Not sure what the specific abbreviations actually stand for, though.


I think you are correct, my list shows "WD" behind the Westerdam from 1994, and "NM" for the Nieuw A from 1999.

[sail7seas]

We sailed Noordam III in 1992 and on our Mariner Status list, that cruise shows as Noordam -ND so I think Ds Librarian is correct. Sounds right to me.

[bob brown]

I believe the suffix indicates the current nation of registration for the vessel--ND perhaps for The Netherlands, and NA for Netherland Antilles??

[jtl513]

I believe the suffix indicates the current nation of registration for the vessel--ND perhaps for The Netherlands, and NA for Netherland Antilles??And WD then? :)

[bob brown]

And WD then? :)
I don't really know, just guessing...probably I'm wrong as why would that really make any difference on Mariner status......:confused:

[jtl513]

I don't really know, just guessing...probably I'm wrong as why would that really make any difference on Mariner status......:confused:If it was true, why wouldn't it be on any of the 13 cruises in my Status?

[sail7seas]

I believe the suffix indicates the current nation of registration for the vessel--ND perhaps for The Netherlands, and NA for Netherland Antilles??


No, I don't think so.

ALL HAL ships are registered to Netherlands.

Noordam III is no longer in the fleet and doesn't sail for them anymore. Same for 'old' Westerdam.

I'm reasonably sure the explanation is that though there are ships by those names in the fleet today, the ships sailed that have the special designation are not the current Noordam/Westerdam.

I'd be interested for someone who sailed the previous Prinsendam to see if they have that designation next to the 'old' Prinsendam...... same for Rotterdam V. There are ships of that name still in the fleet but not the same ships as the 'old' ones I'm referencing.

We have sailed about 73 HAL cruises and the only one with the "ND" designation on my list is for 'old' Noordam.

[Hope to Cruise]

Yep, my 1990 trip on the Rotterdam is labeled Rotterdam V RO. Clearly it means that the ship is not the current one but not clear why it is RO vs. RD or RA.

[sail7seas]

Thanks for checking..... that is what I suspected.
I'd love to hear from someone who sailed the 'old' Prinsendam.

[Krazy Kruizers]

We sailed on the old Nieuw Amsterdam in 1998 and it does have NA after the ship name.

And in 2001 we sailed on the old Noordam and it too has ND after the ship name.

So I agree that it is just HAL's way of identifying the old ships.

[jtl513]

Clearly it means that the ship is not the current one but not clear why it is RO vs. RD or RA.I wonder why they don't just use the Roman numerals.

Also, if ND is Noordam III and WD is Westerdam II, what are Noordam II and Westerdam I?

See what you've started GatorV? :D :D

[kazu]

I wonder why they don't just use the Roman numerals.


just to confuse us and make us talk about here:D:p:)

[sail7seas]

I wonder why they don't just use the Roman numerals.

Also, if ND is Noordam III and WD is Westerdam II, what are Noordam II and Westerdam I?

See what you've started GatorV? :D :D



It's not likely there are many Mariners alive today who sailed Westerdam II and/or Noordam II. :D

[jtl513]

It's not likely there are many Mariners alive today who sailed Westerdam II and/or Noordam II. :D Yeah, but that's beside the point that I was trying to make: why not just use the Roman Numerals?

[Randyk47]

I would imagine that we're just seeing an abbreviation. ND for Noordam is the "n" in "Noor" and the "d" in "dam". In the US Army we don't typically use Headquarters Department of the Army when talking about the Pentagon but instead use HQDA. In the Army we all know what it means and it's a lot quicker to say or type than the full name. Once company agrees to the abbreviation it's a lot easier to potentially refer to the Ryndam as RD or the Statendam as SD and so on.

[sail7seas]

Yeah, but that's beside the point that I was trying to make: why not just use the Roman Numerals?


I get your point. :)

There are often more ways than one to do the same thing..... they chose a different way than using
Roman Numerals. :shrug:
I think Randy's comments make sense and probably apply here.

[cmdchiefthom]

I found a couple of interesting tidbits on my cruise history sheet. Yes the old Noordam has a suffix of ND, the Nieuw Amsterdam is NM and the Westerdam is WD, but also the destinations on several of those, lists the cruise itinerary as "Caribbean, Orinoco River"???? I know where the Orinoco river is, and I can tell you I've not been there one time, let alone three. It's no big deal, HAL got the number of days right, and they also provided me with some great memories!;)

[Sir PMP]

And WD then?

Wonderland....

[Typhoon1]

Check with Mariner Society. They should be able to solve the mystery.

[Randyk47]

And WD then?

Wonderland....

I think that's pretty straight forward. The "W" in "Wester", the "D" from "dam". :)

[ASIWISH]

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[Himself]

Just a quickie I am sure, and I can often figure these things out on my own but maybe my cold is making me foggy...looking at my mariner status, the Noordam that we sailed on in 1998, has "ND" after the name. what does this mean?


It sure does not mean Notre Dame. Since you sailed the Noordam in 1998 this would be the old Noordam that carried 1214 Passengers. Perhaps it refers to that ship that is not longer on line. I think Copper 10-8 would be the one who would know this.

[ASIWISH]

It sure does not mean Notre Dame. Since you sailed the Noordam in 1998 this would be the old Noordam that carried 1214 Passengers. Perhaps it refers to that ship that is not longer on line. I think Copper 10-8 would be the one who would know this.

If it stood for Notre Dame, it would instantly become my favorite ship!!!

"cruise like a champion today..."

[sail7seas]

I think that's pretty straight forward. The "W" in "Wester", the "D" from "dam". :)

It sure does not mean Notre Dame. Since you sailed the Noordam in 1998 this would be the old Noordam that carried 1214 Passengers. Perhaps it refers to that ship that is not longer on line. I think Copper 10-8 would be the one who would know this.


Noordam III now sails for Thomson and is named Thomson Celebration.
Her sister, Nieuw Amsterdam, also sails for Thomson.

[jtl513]

I would imagine that we're just seeing an abbreviation. ND for Noordam... Once company agrees to the abbreviation it's a lot easier to potentially refer to the Ryndam as RD or the Statendam as SD and so on.But apparently these ND/WD/NA/RO abbreviations only apply to prior ships of each name in the Status listings, as current ships have none shown. Do the current ships have different abbreviations? I still say it would make more sense to use the Roman numerals. :)

[Randyk47]

But apparently these ND/WD/NA/RO abbreviations only apply to prior ships of each name in the Status listings, as current ships have none shown. Do the current ships have different abbreviations? I still say it would make more sense to use the Roman numerals. :)


Could be that HAL has stopped using the abbreviations. I've worked for bosses who like them only to have a new one come in and hate them. My best abbreviation or acronym story is a general who wanted my staff to develop a new system for Army West Point and ROTC cadets. In fact, he was so taken with the notion he wanted to system to be called CADETS. Now typically you start with the full system name and back into an abbreviation or acronym but if that's what the general wanted that's what he was going to get. We developed CADETS and somewhere along the line I figured out it stood for the Cadet Education and Training System. :)

[sail7seas]

But apparently these ND/WD/NA/RO abbreviations only apply to prior ships of each name in the Status listings, as current ships have none shown. Do the current ships have different abbreviations? I still say it would make more sense to use the Roman numerals. :)



I agree with you that is the most logical and technically correct but that would depend upon all who used/read the lists to know for all fifteen ships which Roman Numeral is currently sailing. Without total and fluent knowlege of the ''present generation", how would they know when they see Rotterdam V whether that is the new one. Sure if V and VI are shown on the same listing, it's obvious but if only V is referenced......... how many know off the top of their head this is the current one?

If asked, how many would know if the new Nieuw Amsterdam is III......... If there is no indication in front of them a IV exists?

[Himself]

Noordam III now sails for Thomson and is named Thomson Celebration.
Her sister, Nieuw Amsterdam, also sails for Thomson.


What is the current name of the old Nieuw Amsterdam? That was my first HAL ship and I sailed on her back in November of 1996 when this ship sailed out of New Orleans.

[sail7seas]

What is the current name of the old Nieuw Amsterdam? That was my first HAL ship and I sailed on her back in November of 1996 when this ship sailed out of New Orleans.


She is currently Thomson Spirit. :)

[sail7seas]

Our first HAL cruise, not our first cruise, was
Noordam III.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Right -- Noordam III is now Thomson Celebration.

The old Nieuw Amsterdam was the Patriot for awhile and is now the Thomson Spirit.

The old Westerdam was originally the Homeric, then Westerdam, then Costa Europa and is now the Thomson Dream.

[sail7seas]

Right -- Noordam III is now Thomson Celebration.

The old Nieuw Amsterdam was the Patriot for awhile and is now the Thomson Spirit.

The old Westerdam was originally the Homeric, then Westerdam, then Costa Europa and is now the Thomson Dream.


You just proved my point about the Roman Numerals. ;)


You wrote Noordam III and then you wrote
'the Old Nieuw Amsterdam"....... what Roman Numeral?
'Old Westerdam"...... what Roman Numeral?

Hard to keep track and consistently use and know them all.
Sure, we can hit google and quickly draw up the information but we aren't proficient about consistently using them.

Thanks for confirming I had the correct names. :)

[FrankNJ]

The answer is in my screen name ( which by the way should also have a III after it ) .

[sail7seas]

The answer is in my screen name ( which by the way should also have a III after it ) .


:cool: Good point.