Grand, Golden and Star to receive "Movies Under the Stars" theatre

[Coral]

Princess Press Release (http://www.princess.com/news/article.jsp?newsArticleId=na669)

4/7/2004

PRINCESS TO ADD POPULAR OUTDOOR MOVIE THEATER CONCEPT TO ITS SEVEN-DAY CARIBBEAN FLEET
All Grand-Class Ships to be Fitted with State-of-the-Art Outdoor Movie Screen

One of the most acclaimed features on Caribbean Princess when she debuted last week, the "Movies Under the Stars" poolside theater has already made such a splash that Princess will expand the concept and install additional screens on all of its seven-day Caribbean vessels. These screens will be added to Princess' trademark Grand-class ships, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and Star Princess.

"Movies Under the Stars has proven to be an immediate hit with both travel agents and passengers," said Jan Swartz, Princess' senior vice president of sales and customer service. "Everyone loves to go to the movies, but few have the opportunity to watch them while floating in the pool mid-day or while enjoying a cocktail in the evening.

"This million-dollar screen is more than 300 square feet in size with a 69,000-watt sound system and has sufficient lighting power to be seen clearly at mid-day and heard clearly even while the ship is moving at full speed -- offering passengers a movie experience comparable to the best shoreside movie theater."

Caribbean Princess' giant Times Square-style LED (Light Emitting Diode) screen shows a variety of entertainment throughout the day, including up to three feature length films. In addition to family cinema and first run hits, passengers can enjoy major sporting events and other can't-miss programming. Complimentary chaise lounge reservations, special movie theme cocktails and casual dining are offered to round out the ultimate poolside experience.

[Coral]

Couple of comments -

Sort of interesting that it is "an immediate hit amongst passengers/agents" when the ship hasn't finished it's inaugural sailing and has only had passengers for about 5 days now. I am not knocking the concept (trying to reserve judgement until I have seen it) - just thought they would evaluate the concept for more then a week before they add this to other ships.

I am curious how they are going to do this. I thought they couldn't put a retractable roof on the Caribbean Princess due to this screen. I am assuming they are going to keep the retractable roof on the Grand/Golden/Star.

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Sue - I have no clue. I like to walk on the decks at night and this will prevent this. I am also trying to figure out how one can walk through from one side of the ship to the other to get to the Horizon Court at night. Supposedly, the area with the movies will be restricted to those with tickets.....Could be interesting on how Princess implements this.

Also curious if those nice Lido balconies will be quiet or if they can hear the movie.

[sue d. miller]

Coral, will it be loud enough to hear all over the ship on deck? I hope not. Sue

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[sue d. miller]

I should clarify. I know it will be a hit for many. We enjoy the aft deck because it is quiet compared to the main pool. I am wondering if you can hear it back there. It sounds like a really loud system. Sorry if I sounded rude. Didn't mean to be. Sue

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My thoughts mirror yours, Coral...I don't either see how it can be such a hit after half a sailing. Did you catch Alan's report from Cruise News Daily? He also seems to be enamored with the concept.

I’m not sure this type of entertainment is suitable for ships that are on non-Caribbean – for lack of a better word – itineraries. For some reason, it seems to be OK in the Caribbean where a more party atmosphere is in order. But I can’t see it being a viable offer in Europe or the Far East. Or in Alaska - who wants to sit outside in Alaska?? And I certainly hope it doesn’t entail removal of the retractable roof over the pool…that would truly be a shame.

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[Coral]

bdjam -

I have read Alan's comments and I respect Alan quite a bit so I am trying to not jump to negative conclusions about this until I have seen it (no plans yet to sail Caribbean Princess soon).

I was thinking of Europe sailings also. Not sure if there will be a Grand class in Alaska in the near future with the Diamond and Sapphire having easier accessibility to Alaska. Did you notice that the Diamond and Sapphire was left off this list....

The part that sort of bugs me is that it seems like Princess' attempt to compete directly with RCCL's Voyager class is becoming more and more clear. I thought it was just the Caribbean Princess wouuld be competing with the Voyager class but now it is all of the Grand class ships. And though I am not a big fan of the Grand class (have sailed it 4x though), I still do enjoy the ships and I don't think it should compete with the Voyager class.

[sue d. miller]

When I was watching the intrview with "Doc" and "Capt Stubing", the screen was right behind them. It appeared there was a raised deck, fenced in, that had blue lounge chairs on it. I believe that is the ticket section. But below was the main pool. Nothing can stop the people at the pool from seeing or hearing it, without tickets. I can just hear it now, with kids playing and people talking, and the gys sitting around watching sports, or people listening to a movie, yelling "shut up". I really hope it doesn't happen that way. Sue

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[jsea]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coral:
The part that sort of bugs me is that it seems like Princess' attempt to compete directly with RCCL's Voyager class is becoming more and more clear. I thought it was just the Caribbean Princess wouuld be competing with the Voyager class but now it is all of the Grand class ships. And though I am not a big fan of the Grand class (have sailed it 4x though), I still do enjoy the ships and I don't think it should compete with the Voyager class.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Competing with RCI is the new reality for Princess it seems. They are looking for a gimmick, any gimmick to go against RCI's multitude of gimmicks (Johnny Rocket's, rock climbing wall, ice-skating rink, Royal Promenade, etc.).

I wonder if the screens will be featured on the outdoor pools instead of the covered ones.

Also, is this yet another potential new revenue source? I can see them charging for the maroon MUTS chaise-loungers in the future.

[jeffandangie]

I am with Coral on this one.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Movies Under the Stars has proven to be an immediate hit with both travel agents and passengers,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? One of the reason we wanted to avoid RCCL was because of their rock climbing wall and ice rink. Maybe Princess will add a bungee cord jump next. We could jump off the back of Skywalker's.

- Jeff and Angie

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[CruiseFever]

Great!

We'll get it in June on our CP cruise then in October on our Star cruise.

Good move, smart marketing, nobody else has it, no-brainer to put it on all ships possible.

If you haven't been following this story closely check out Cruise News Daily or any of the summaries of those articles floating around on the boards. I trust them and there seems to be absolutely no doubt about the popularity, even before the conclusion of the first cruise.

But I sure do see your concern

Happy Cruising

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[sue d. miller]

chris, I sure hope you are right.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The part that sort of bugs me is that it seems like Princess' attempt to compete directly with RCCL's Voyager class is becoming more and more clear. I thought it was just the Caribbean Princess wouuld be competing with the Voyager class but now it is all of the Grand class ships. And though I am not a big fan of the Grand class (have sailed it 4x though), I still do enjoy the ships and I don't think it should compete with the Voyager class. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Again, according to Cruise News Daily, Princess is positioning itself to compete with RCI in the Caribbean…period. I guess not just with Caribbean Princess, but I would have thought also that the Movies gimmick would apply only to the new ship. My hope is that the revenue made on the 7-day Caribbean runs will help support the line in it’s hopefully continued quest for longer, more exotic itineraries – the ones I prefer.

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[Coral]

bdjam - when I read Alan's columns in CND - I thought it would only apply to the Caribbean Princess and her sister (which I was content with), not to all Grand class ships.

Sort of frustrating to me - I have sailed RCCL's Voyager class and really don't care to return. As much as I would love to do some of the exotic itineraries - my vacation time/budget doesn't currently allow for it.

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As far as the screen on the outside pool (with out the retractable roof) - that does sound like the most logical place for it.

I did catch some of the webcast after the wedding and I have to admit - that screen is definitely bright. I could see the screen crystal clear even during day light.

[This message was edited by Coral on 04-07-04 at 08:50 PM.]

Don't get me wrong, Coral...I'm in agreement with you. While they're not my favorite, I think the Grand Class ships are excellent and I think Princess really could compete in the market without the movie screens. And you're right - the 7-day cruises do make for a good - although short - vacation. I don't know - I'm kind of surprised at this development - that's two in one week. As I say, interesting days at Princess...

I wonder if Diamond and Sapphire are out of the mix due to the different funnel treatment because of the gas turbines?

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[Coral]

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You can see samples of the newsletters at their website:

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[Rusty]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe they'll add a convertable top car rental so it can be a real drive-in theater!

[Casey12]

I haven't seen it yet, but I admit that I don't like the idea. I didn't like it for the Caribbean Princess but I thought that was fine, I won't sail that ship. Now, I need to rule out all of the Grand class ships.

I go on Princess (NOT RCCL), for a classy cruise experience. I do not cruise to watch movies or sports shows. I can do that at home. I like to walk around the pool area at night and take in a quiet midnight swim or use the hot tubs. This is a fad that won't last long. Unfortunately Princess will spend tons to implement this.

I am not a Celebrity fan but this may make me reconsider.

[soccermommie]

Awww, am I the only nostalgic, hopeless romantic on these boards? I have very fond memories of my whole family lying on the hood of our car watching movies at the drive-in when I was little. Reading this press release made all those memories flood back, and I thought what a nice new memory to make of DH and me snuggled up next to each other on lounge chairs watching a movie under the stars with the ocean as the soundtrack. Maybe it's just a Southern thing to want to combine technology with nature... Our small town government recently approved the purchase of a large screen to show movies in our town square on Saturday nights spring through fall. I can't wait to gather up our kids, pack a picnic and lay out on a quilt under the stars for a family movie with the community. Sounds like heaven to me...(For those who would like, insert Arkansas hillbilly joke here)

Hopefully, that will be reality (both on the ship and in our town square). I will admit, though, I'm not so sure how I'll really like it if they're showing things all day and night on the big screen on deck.

I noticed the press release didn't give a time frame for the implementation of the movie screens. Hopefully, they'll have it on the Grand when we're on her in December. Until then, I'll reserve judgment (and continue with my starry-eyed, optimistic dreams).

soccermommie

[CruiseFever]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> continue with my starry-eyed, optimistic dreams <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You won't be alone

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[CGT]

This is so disgusting and such horrible news. Why does Princess insist on debasing itself like this?

I pray this things stay off of the Diamond and Sapphire.

Our selected President speaks:

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lot of Muslims have died--I don't know the exact count--at Istanbul. Look
at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous
death and destruction because killers kill." Dubya--Washington, D.C., Jan. 29,
2004

[crazy4themouse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Maybe it's just a Southern thing to want to combine technology with nature... Our small town government recently approved the purchase of a large screen to show movies in our town square on Saturday nights spring through fall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL... Maybe it is a Southern thing! We have Fiday Night Flicks here in our little town, where they set up a big screen at the park and families can go have picnics and watch a movie outdoors. It's very popular.

On a ship, I think it sounds like fun, as long as I cannot hear it at all unless I am there in front of it. If I can go and sit at the adult pool to relax and still hear the movie, I'm going to have a big giant problem with it.

But I don't sail until next March, so at least I'll have plenty of time to hear other people's reviews of it!

-gina-

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[ahracer]

I just hope they don't do away with the indoor pool like they did on the Carribean Princess!!

Scott

[euphscott]

Count me as one that thinks it's a great idea! I love it and am thrilled to hear my November cruise on the Grand will have this option.

Has anyone heard of the schedule for installing the screens on the Grand class ships? Will they be done immediately or wait for a drydock?

Scott in TX

[Coral]

From what I understand - Princess is not sure if they can install the screens while the ships are in service or if they need to wait for a dry dock. So schedules are still up in the air.

[dejavu]

I too think this sounds like a fun idea, not everyone wants to sit in a lounge or watch a show inside every night, we just retuned from hawaii where they have movies on the beach at night, a warm night, outside under the stars, whats not to like? If it's not your idea of fun there are plenty of other activities, I just think it's a added feature that will appeal to some passengers. Bravo to Princess for thinking outside the box.

[Jacqueline]

One problem they solve is that some of the overcrowding I have experienced in the Caribbean itineraries in the showlounge. This will be alievated. This wasnt a problem in Europe as people as so tired from the excursions that there wasnt an overwheleming turnout. But in the Carib if we didnt show up good and early there were no seats, and indeed a fight over seats. This will allow Princess to use its beautiful outdoor areas more effectively more of the time.
There is still the aft pool and the crows nest hot tub for those who dont want the noise and lights and want to enjoy the sea. Personally, that would be me.

Jacqueline
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[sue d. miller]

Maybe then they will put the tables back on the aft terrace on the Carribean. Sue

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[steve2001]

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[Pam in CA]

I'm not a big fan of the Grand-class ships but I have to admit, I'm looking forward to our Caribbean Princess cruise and trying out the Movies Under the Stars.

Coming from snowy, cold New England, it'll be a treat to be outdoors and entertained at the same time.

I knew what to expect when planning our CP cruise. If I want a more traditional cruise, I go for the Royal or Regal Princess.

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[Tak8]

Does anyone know when they will put the MUTS theatre on the other ships listed?

[Aquarian]

I think it sounds like a lot of fun. I used to love drive-in movies as a kid. I think it's fair to assume that there still will be a lot of space not devoted to this area that will still be available to those who aren't interested in the movies. It's just another one of those wonderful "choices" that Princess offers.

[CruiseFever]

I know that my initial reaction has been excitement but I am concerned about the comments from the Princess Purists (for whom I have the utmost respect)that this is a negative thing.

You know what you're talking about and I'd like to know more of your concern. I am unable to comprehend why this would make someone want to "try Celebrity".

A great memory of a past cruise was when the cruise line arranged for us to see a major sporting event that would have been a pay-per-view at home. It was piped through the cabins TV's and put on a big screen in the showroom. It was quite fun.

Perhaps this would be a better quesion asked in a separate post?

Happy Cruising

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[sammiedawg]

Will they add this to the Golden on the upcoming dry dock? We're sailing May 23.

[jsea]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CruisingIsLife:
I know that my initial reaction has been excitement but I am concerned about the comments from the Princess Purists (for whom I have the utmost respect)that this is a negative thing.

You know what you're talking about and I'd like to know more of your concern. I am unable to comprehend why this would make someone want to "try Celebrity".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I can't speak for everyone, we stopped cruising Princess because the cruises just weren't exemplary any more. Princess has tons of positives, many of which no other line can touch, but in recent years their focus on 'the premium' has all but gone away.

That's why we started sailing Celebrity and love the line. It's definitely more traditional than Princess, and in fact, it's similar to what Princess was in the early to mid '90s.

It basically boils down to tradition. Princess Purists (a.k.a those who have been sailing Princess pre-Grand Class Cruising days) enjoy the traditional cruise experience without the 'gimmicks,' and more and more Princess is making it clear that they are no longer a traditional line. This is recently evidenced by the announcement of Royal's departure from the fleet.

But hey, Princess offers a great product, there's no doubt. It comes down to what type of cruise you are looking for.

TO EACH HIS OWN!

[sue d. miller]

Kool. I haven't been called a purist since I lived in Mass. I don't think it so much negative as it is just not knowing. The ship hasn't even been out for a full week
We have heard from 2 posters [both the same] and the theater wasnt mentioned, the crowds were, and that was good. You said they had sports on the tv in the cabin and a sports bar, and that is great. If you wanted to see it, you went to one of those places. This is on the top deck, and if you are at the pool, you will hear it, whether you want to or not. And we still don't know how loud it will be. So, that is what I think the problem is. After saturday, hopfully we will get many reviews, which, of course will differ, and have our own view on what is really going on. Good post, Cris.

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[CruiseFever]

Jsea- thanks so much for the reply- that's exactly what I wanted to know

Sue- I'll be interested to hear about the sound level too. I know that after our Golden cruise when we got back home I heard a song on the radio and remared to DD who was on the cruise too that "I heard that song at Skywalkers" and she said, "I know, I could hear it from our balcony"

I had no idea it was that loud.

Happy Cruising

Chris

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Carnival Spirit 12/04

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> While I can't speak for everyone, we stopped cruising Princess because the cruises just weren't exemplary any more. Princess has tons of positives, many of which no other line can touch, but in recent years their focus on 'the premium' has all but gone away.

That's why we started sailing Celebrity and love the line. It's definitely more traditional than Princess, and in fact, it's similar to what Princess was in the early to mid '90s.

It basically boils down to tradition. Princess Purists (a.k.a those who have been sailing Princess pre-Grand Class Cruising days) enjoy the traditional cruise experience without the 'gimmicks,' and more and more Princess is making it clear that they are no longer a traditional line. This is recently evidenced by the announcement of Royal's departure from the fleet.

But hey, Princess offers a great product, there's no doubt. It comes down to what type of cruise you are looking for. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sometimes Jsea and I are in agreement http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Although I've not switched to Celebrity, I do agree that Princess slipped since pre-Grand Class cruising. Luckily for me, they still seem to meet my expectations.

While I would probably not partake in Movies Under the Stars - not my cup of tea on a cruise - I don't necessarily think they will ruin the Grand Class experience. I wouldn't be hanging out by the pool at night anyway, and in the day time, I would usually be on the aft decks. My only hope is that they don't spoil the design of the ships with this new contraption. The Conservatory area is very nice, and I'd hate to see it ruined.

Then again, this gimmick one-upmanship stuff is a bit juvenile...

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[TinaLee]

I'm wading in as one who is actually looking forward to seeing how they manage this feature on Caribbean Princess. We just booked for 10/02 and the chance to experience the new Movie Under the Stars was one of the reasons we chose this ship.

I'll be anxious to hear from those who are sailing now regarding their feelings and exactly how the chair/sound situations are handled.

TinaLee

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[mojo4trav]

Princess is simply making an investment that they feel will have a high ROI. Even after factoring out those who choose to leave the line due to the 'modernization' of their fleet, they will still come out ahead. The CP's ammenities have caused us to start looking at Princess for next year while RCCL is in an off year with no newbuilds. Of course, we'll be back at RCCL in 2006 when the Ultra-Voyager launches. Perhaps CCL will lend one of their 'Ultra-type' ships to Princess in an effort to continue heavy competition between RCCL and Carnival Corporation (CCL & P).

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[Coral]

I haven't been cruising as long as some of the other purists but here are my thoughts:

Have cruised Princess, Celebrity, Carnival and RCCL. Carnival and RCCL come across as very crowded and loud to me. The Royal Promenade on the Voyager class is just too loud and "shopping mall like". The times I have sailed these lines - there have been lines and it has felt too crowded for my taste. Thus, I was concerned about the extra 500 people on the Caribbean Princess. Carnival and RCCL have attracted a lot of kids/teens and thus, have built a lot of their ships around new concepts to entertain the kids/teens. I am not against kids/teens on the ship, I just don't like when there are too many that they cause disruptions to the traditional cruising experience (last cruise--Thanksgiving-- they were running up and down the hallway, eating in the elevator on the floor, etc.)

I work in a stressful job at a university (around teens all the time) and for me, cruising is something that is classy, elegant and relaxing. I enjoy laying on deck and reading a book and hearing the sound of the ocean going by. I like walking the decks at night and taking a leisurely swim when it is quiet.

I am concerned about football and bb games being shown during the day and night on these screens plus the movies at night. If during the day (they have mentioned sporting events may be shown), will I be able to escape the sounds or at night, will I hear the movie on my balcony when I prefer to hear the sounds of the ocean?

To me, this is a break in traditional cruising. It is an attempt to compete with RCCL and possibly Carnival and I personally have felt that Princess didn't need to compete - that they could stand on their own product with out the modifications.

I can't say I won't sail these ships because I have some restrictions on when I can sail and if I sail with my mom- we are limited on where we can sail. The Grand class has never been my first choice of ships and probably will continue not to be my first choice.

Time will tell but I see the traditional cruising experience becoming more of a theme park type atmostphere.

Just my opinion....

[This message was edited by Coral on 04-08-04 at 08:05 PM.]

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[CruiseFever]

This aberrant thought just keeps haunting me...isn't there some other cruise line, a high end line, that does movies under the stars?

I just know I've heard of this before

I'm thinking it's Seabourn and dancing under the stars as well as movies under the stars.

Yes, I think that's it.

If I'm right then somebody is going to have to blow my impression of the Yachts of Seabourn as an ultra high end line, better than Celebrity, out of the water for me to consider Movies Under The Stars a total negative to Princess.

Experienced TA's or Ultra Experienced Cruisers, am I right or wrong?

Happy Cruising

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[CruiseFever]

Verified:

http://www.vacationidea.com/cruises/seabourn_legend.html

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Chris

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Coral - brava - well said... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cruising' - yes Seabourne is correct...I think it might be on a little different scale, huh?

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[CruiseFever]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> will I hear the movie on my balcony when I prefer to hear the sounds of the ocean?
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Oh now that would indeed be a problem. I think I'd have to send someone up there to tell them to turn it down.

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[BethKel]

Well, this cruise "rookie" is excited about this new development, as my fiance is MUCH more the movie buff than one to attend a "show". I was jealous when I heard that it was on the CP but not on the Golden.

I just hope they have it installed by our July 11th cruise!

First cruise - 7/11/04 on Golden Princess for our Honeymoon!!

[clamtown cruisers]

What great news!! Can't wait to see it on the Star next Jan.

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[CGT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dejavu:
I too think this sounds like a fun idea, not everyone wants to sit in a lounge or watch a show inside every night, we just retuned from hawaii where they have movies on the beach at night, a warm night, outside under the stars, whats not to like? If it's not your idea of fun there are plenty of other activities, I just think it's a added feature that will appeal to some passengers. Bravo to Princess for thinking outside the box.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's not to like?

By putting screens on all the Grand Class ships at the outdoor pool, Princess is ruining one of the best things about a cruise: a quiet, star-lit and moon-lit stroll or swim around/in the midships deck/pool.

Just wait till they start blasting advertising on them. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[CGT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve2001:
Here is my $0.02. Who else can't wait for Monday Night Football now? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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God, you see? This is the kind of nightmare I'm talking about.

[CruiseFever]

Oh and maybe NASCAR auto racing?

Ok now you're scaring me

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[want2know]

I can see both sides of the argument presented here. My initial thoughts from the announcement was remincesing the drive-in movies, as well as the movies in the park; a section of the ship and a pool set aside just for this with an evening movie shown and the speakers aimed just at these areas. But when people post that this could be going on most hours of the day broadcasting what you can find at home on your tv, but with a sound system that could create a noise pollution level similar to that of our fellow drivers on the city streets - egads! Maybe the ship could have a daily drawing as to who gets the remote control for the day.

One can only hope the entertainment department of the cruise line will exercise some intelligent control over administering the new attraction.

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[rmharvey8]

I am so glad we sailed on the Golden before they have the screen added. Just think of the advertising they are going to subject you to. All day, every day. And wait to they start signing up the big boys - "Coke" and "Dos Equis". There goes the peace and quiet. I bet they are drooling over the anticipated revenue. Brilliant marketing though.

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Millie - Nov 2003
Pride - April @003
Grand - Nov 2002
VOS - April 2002
Victory - Dec @001

[jpancake]

I'm glad to hear that other cruisers share our concerns about MUTS. We're a young couple (27 & 26) booked on the Nov. 20 CP sailing and we're concerned that the cruiseline we fell in love with on our honeymoon has chosen a new direction. Of course, we will reserve final judgement until after our Nov. cruise.

Nevertheless, if we feel that our enjoyment of the cruise has been negatively affected in any way, we will definitely start shopping around for another cruiseline to call our own. We love the peacefulness of the ship at night as we roam the top decks. It's a shame that may be interrupted by a movie I can watch at home ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Jason Pancake
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Caribbean Princess 11/20/2004

[sarasotasteve]

This whole movie-screen idea confuses me! Movies under the stars or music-videos in the daytime and eliminate the live band at the pool! Which is it?
Looking at all the photos it looks like the big screen is located at the forward pool. Is there also a screen for the indoor pool which I thought lost their roof.
If Princess is going to re-fit the Golden, Grand and Star its going to be a lot of work because the forward pool area lost the dolphin fountain.
Boy , I sure hope they leave the Star alone till after I cruise in October. If I wanted daytime videos on deck I would cruise another line with skating rinks and rock climbing. sb

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[jsea]

If this has already been posted elsewhere, my apologies.

Two excellent shots of MUTS courtesy of Cruise News Daily:

http://www.cruisenewsdaily.com/nf40406.html

[jsea]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sarasotasteve:
Looking at all the photos it looks like the big screen is located at the forward pool. Is there also a screen for the indoor pool which I thought lost their roof.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The screen is located at the 'midship' pool; the one that is covered on all other Grand Class vessels. You can see this on the CND photos linked above.

Good question about Grand/Golden/Star. We can assume (hope) they aren't planning on removing the glass dome over the midships pool, but rather, I would think they will 'tack-on' the screen on the mini-golf bulkhead facing the forward pool.

[sue d. miller]

Wow. I would think those two shots will clear up several questions. Thanks for posting.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[steve2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CGT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve2001:
Here is my $0.02. Who else can't wait for Monday Night Football now? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

God, you see? This is the kind of nightmare I'm talking about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...CGT must be a Giants fan. Which, in that case, I could see his point http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Cruisin'Chris]

Another purist here. I'm not overly emotional about MUTS but I do think that it mars the design of the existing Grand Class ships to retrofit them to accomodate the screen. I think that we are bombarded and overstimulated enough by the media already. When I cruise I escape things like ads, Tv, radio, cell phones etc. Watching a huge video screen by a pool has nothing to do with the cruise experience I want to have.

As I recall, Grand and the Voyager came out within months of each other and I think there has been great rivalry there. I recall sailing on the Grand during her inagural year and coming up along the Voyager off Florida. We hauled to pass her (fairly closely) and the CD came on the PA and made some rather amusing comments about the Grand's superiority and the fact that we were sailing at capacity while they were only half sold. Somehow, I don't think the addition of MUTS does that much to make these ships directly comparable. That said, we haven't sailed a Grand Class ship in the Caribbean again nor would it be my first choice. I only sail these ships when they're the only option for the itinerary, like my upcoming Baltics cruise.

I agree with Jsea and BDjam that Princess continues, degree by degree, to alter her course. We have contemplated switching lines. Celebrity lures us with a promise of quiet sophistication, but we know we would miss the fresh water pools and the Horizon Court. More recently, Holland America has been calling us with their efforts to re-establish themselves as a notch above - the pillow top mattress, fine china, suite perks, etc all are alluring. I remember that not that long ago the real rivalry was Princess and HAL not RCCL.

I'm a pretty brand loyal consumer and change would be hard for me. I've been keeping a wait and see attitude and fortunately I'm able to cruise about every 6 months. I see changes everytime, usually minor details that in isolation wouldn't make much difference but they add up over time. Anybody in marketing knows about drift - little changes made to brands and then measured against the changed brand instead of the original brand can really take you off course by compounding the changes over time. In the case of Princess, it seems clear to me that some of the changes are strategic. I think others, particularly the smaller changes implemented help to generate revenue, are not really strategic and have eroded the quality of the Princess brand.

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[Coral]

Chris,

Nicely said.

-Theresa

[sue d. miller]

Hi Chris, I am a purist too. nice post.

Sue
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I agree with Jsea and BDjam that Princess continues, degree by degree, to alter her course. We have contemplated switching lines. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm with Coral - nicely said. And as you point out, I too am concerned with the alteration of the course of the Sea Witch. We - those who are loyal repeat customers - keep hoping (and in my case, asking) for a return to the premium line that Princess once was, with smaller, more intimate ships and more exotic itineraries...with a few sea days thrown in for good measure.

Instead we get promises of inclusion of small ships and then the small ships are moved to P&O, and - big screen TV. As others have posted, the LAST thing I want to do on a cruise is be bombarded with media messages and have a TV blasting at me. I only turn the TV on in my cabin for the music stations - or to see the bridge cam.

As for switching lines - yeah, I've thought of that too, but so far I've not been adversely affected by the Princess course. And, I'm coming up on Elite status in just a few cruises. So, is there enough motivation from having that status to keep me with the big-screen TV cruiseline? I don't know...I guess we'll have to see how these new developments pan out...I'm kind of hoping that the announcement to modify the Grand Class ships was premature and there will be some structural issue they can't overcome which will prevent it. I do know that it will be a shame for me to have to start all over with some other cruise line...

His name has been mentioned a couple of times over at Cruise News Daily, but I've neglected to make note of it. Maybe a few well-placed letters to the new President of Princess might be of some value. I don't see them changing anyone's mind - but at least they would be a means to voice an opinion... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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[Cruisin'Chris]

Thanks for nice words.

Yes, I doubt that we'll actually take the plunge to another line unless things become unbearable. If I'm counting correctly, the Baltic cruise is number 15 so my next one, right now booked as a Christmas cruise on the Coral (which I am likely going to switch-unfortunately) we'll get the nice benefits. Makes it harder to stray - which I guess is the whole point, right?

Right now we try to manage the situation by booking longer or more exotic itineraries. This seems to help with the ambience issue and I have noticed big differences in service, quality of food etc. I think Princess tries a bit harder to go the extra mile on those cruises. They remind me more of the pre-Grand Princess we fell in love with.

All this said, we're enjoying the new lower price tag that goes with cruising these days. Pre-9/11 per diems on Princess were running in the mid-$200s for an outside...Far cry from where we are now - that will buy you a minisuite today. I don't doubt that the lines make money but they're not making what they used to...the overbuilding helped to guarantee that. So, I'll play along for now. Still beats any other kind of vacation. Ah, I think my countdown clock is in the 30 day range now!!! AHHHHH

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Rub it in!!

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[sue d. miller]

Lol. Ditto.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Toto2Kansas]

Maybe it is just my opinion, but I hate to see them outfitting all of the ships with the same things. I like the different ships to offer different ideas, it makes them much more interesting. Kind of gives each ship a different personality. But it sounds to me like all class ships in a fleet will pretty much be carbon copies of the next one. IMHO

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[NitaBcruising]

jsea,
Thanks for the link!

I'm not a tv or movie watcher at home, either, so don't think it'll interest me. In fact, I like the smaller ships anyway. I'm going on the Star in Oct. and will see!
I've kind of avoided RCI for awhile, as I don't like those big ships, with too many kids, and attractions! Same with Carnival.
Princess, don't try to compete with them! I love you as you are!!!

Nita

Interesting the Cruise Critic article on the installation of "Movies" on the rest of the Grand Class fleet...they indicate the change is not destined for Diamond and Sapphire due to the magradome over the pool, but also indicate it doesn't seem to be stopping modifications to the rest of the Grand Class...

If the magradome is in the way, I would think this means it's destined to come off Grand, Golden and Star. Given the extensive "balcony" area on Caribbean Princess for the loungers, I think this is a logical step.

It's also an unfortunate step...the Conservatory area is very tranquil - even with the noisy pool below - and again we're asked to give up the peace and quiet some of us search for on a cruise for a type-A activity.

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[ahracer]

I've got to agree with you Nita. If I wanted an RCCL type cruise I'd go on them. We fell in love with Princess for the type of cruise they offer and hope they don't change it.

Scott

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Princess, don't try to compete with them! I love you as you are!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not quite sure what the reason is that there is the perception that all cruise lines have to compete directly with each other with their products. One of the reasons Carnival said it wanted Princess was to fulfill its objective of having a cruise line for everyone under its corporate umbrella...so let Princess be what it was as it certainly would have its own niche.

But then, that's too close to HAL and not enough competition for RCI, I guess...so instead there is a threat to the quality of the product... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[NitaBcruising]

I've only been on one HAL cruise, and didn't think they compared to Princess that much. I think Princess is for ALL ages, not just young, not just older. And I like that they limit the amount of kids on each sailing. Now if I wanted a sedate cruise, I'd take HAL. Or a kids cruise, Carnival or RCI. I just think Princess is quality with a medium amount of activites for all ages. Just a good mix. Just the way I like it!

Nita

[ahracer]

I think Carnival should be the line going head to head with RCI. In my mind they are more similar to begin with. HAL should be the one going after Celebrity and leave Princess right in the middle just where we like it.

With just one sailing of the CP complete i've already noticed first time Princess cruiser's commenting that they like RCI better. Thats great sail with the cruise line that suits your taste but don't bash a cruise line because it is a little different than suits your style.

Sorry if i'm rambling but it took me 13 sailings to find the cruise line that fit me perfectly and now i'm afraid they are going to change http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Scott

[sue d. miller]

Hi Scott. Me too!! I just found it. I love the grand class, and I know I would love the smaller ships with the longer cruises too, but all of my responsibilities, I can't do that yet. I feel it is ok if they have two ships that have a different feel, but they should leave the other ships alone. Then everyone has a different ship to choose from, in the same line. Princess has so many faithful followers, I would hate to see the competition between the two lines take them both down.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[CruiseFever]

Scott, then Sue; you took the words right out of my fingers.

I hadn't really thought of it all like that before until I read your posts.

Splendid observations, both

Happy Cruising

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[sue d. miller]

gGood morning, Chris. Believe me. I am not giving up. Princess is the createst cruise line I have been on and I love it. I do want to try the Carribean, probably next year. I refuse to be negative, because I haven't been on her. I am glad that we straightened out the Horizon hrs. That was a bonus. Still don't understand why you are not allowed to swim in the pool by the movie when it was going. And I do believe they will straighten out the PC when they get a little more expierence. Maybe this weekend we will get some more reviews and someone will bring back news on the Carib menu. I can't wait till we go on the Star. My home town isn't as much fun as yours, I guess. Lol.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[ahracer]

Chris, Sue
I'll be on the Grand 4/25 and I'm going try and talk to some different members of the staff and see what they think.


Scott

[sue d. miller]

Wow. Thanks, Scott. I'm sure we will get info tricklin in each week. We just have so many questions, they don't have a clue about everything we want to know. Have a wonderful cruise. I know you will have a blast. Is't the last couple of weeks the pits. It is the longest wait of all.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[cruiserone]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifOH NO, another excuse for the "chair hogs" to save a seat! I understand there will even be tartan throws for the chilly nights! Sounds like the 50's have come into the new century. Sounds like fun. And like everything else on the ship - it's up to you if you want to participate. Happy Sailing!

[ahracer]

While it may be up to me if I decide to participate in the movies. It is not up to me if they've removed the roof over the indoor pool and I can no longer enjoy that area.

Scott

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> While it may be up to me if I decide to participate in the movies. It is not up to me if they've removed the roof over the indoor pool and I can no longer enjoy that area.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It's also not up to us if the blitz from the screen and sound system are intrusive on what should be leisurely, relaxing days at sea - either at other pools or on your own balcony. I was on Sun Princess and from my balcony could clearly hear the music from the Island Night party above, as well as from the pool band during the day. Bothersome? Probably not...intrusive? A little... But the sound from those two were more in line with the tropical cruise I was on than would be, say, a blasting basketball game or Tina Turner concert (no offense to Tina).

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[ph053059]

Does anyone know when the Star Princess will be equipped with "Movies Under the Stars"? We will be in the Mediterranean for the July 4th cruise...will it be in by then?

[sue d. miller]

They haven't set any dates yet. They have to figure out how to get the retractable roof off.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Coral]

Does anyone know if they really have to permanently remove the roof to have this?

[sue d. miller]

Thats what they said.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[jsea]

Princess has a splashy new feature on their website about MUTS:

http://www.princess.com/exclusives/moviesunderthestars/index.html

[sue d. miller]

Wow!! That is impressive.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[CruiseFever]

I'm sorry but I just love this stuff

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Does anyone know if they really have to permanently remove the roof to have this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Contrary to what's been posted, I've not heard that specifically, but it makes sense given the set up they have on Caribbean Princess, and since they say these modifications will happen on their "7-day Caribbean" fleet...inferring there's no need for a covered pool, I guess.

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[Coral]

I have not read it anywhere either that the retractable roof is coming off. Knowing what that pool looks like and the 2nd deck, this would be a shame.

Considering these ships have gone other places (Europe, Asia) - hopefully they will keep the roof so that the ship is more versitle.

[jsea]

Yeah, taking the roof off of the other ships doesn't make much sense considering that next year two of them (Grand & Golden) will be sailing northern itineraries where a covered pool is very nice.

I still think they will place the screens on the mini-golf bulkhead facing the main outdoor pool, but what do I know...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I still think they will place the screens on the mini-golf bulkhead facing the main outdoor pool, but what do I know... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently a lot more than anyone else posting here.

Taking the roof off the Calypso Reef pool isn't even under consideration, because as you said, those ships aren't staying in the Caribbean as Caribbean Princess is. All along the site of the screen planned on the other Grand-class ships has been over Neptune's Reef. It's just the technical details of how it will be mounted and operated that are under discussion. We just talked about that again today in preparation for a story that's I'm working on.

Alan Wilson
Cruise News Daily

[sue d. miller]

Great. Thank you.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

Alan - have you been holding out on us? I would think that since that main pool area is pretty much the most popular of the ship during the day time, Princess must be pretty sure of this new feature. Interesting.

Good to get your perspective, Alan...

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[Coral]

I was just thinking on my way home about this thread - "Where is Alan Wilson when we need him" and then he just appeared! Amazing.

Thanks for your input http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Coral, I'm not here much anymore, so look quick. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

bdjam, Like I said in my article, it's really unusual that a cruise line would release information about a program like this before they have all their ducks in a row.

It's really kind of stunning to see this piece of equipment. The Princess people were the same way. So were the passengers. It didn't take long for the Princess people to see the passengers' excitement. They had been considering the possibility to expanding it to the other Caribbean ships, but seeing the passenger reaction on the preview and the inaugural is what pushed them in to making the decision to move forward with it already. Remember, I said that at the start they were just planning on doing the one show per night and seeing how that goes. Already on the inaugural they were running three show a day and some other video just because of passenger acceptance. Now they're figuring out other things to do and just what programming they will be running on a regular basis. (That's what the upcoming article is about.)

So the short answer is that, yes, they are very confident to be committing that much money on such short notice. They are that confident because of the overwhelming reactions of two entirely different groups of passengers, whom I might add, were already Princess customers. They weren't that "bad" element drawn from other cruise lines because of the promise of the video screen. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By the way, Brian Langston-Carter was behind this idea in addition to most other features added to the Princess ships beginning with the Sun class, I believe. He's retiring after Sapphire is delivered, and I think Carnival will be hard-pressed to replace him and the influence he has had on Princess ships.

Alan Wilson
Cruise News Daily

[jsea]

Thanks for the solid info, Alan.

[CruiseFever]

Thanks Alan-

I've been following your coverage of this topic through our subscription from when you first mentioned it. I really feel that I've been in on this subject from the start with the most accurate information.

Thanks for stopping by!

Happy Cruising

Chris

www.LifeIsCruising.com (http://www.LifeIsCruising.com)

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[mariapd719]

I think its a great idea and think it'd be beautiful to relax in the open by a pool on the gorgeous sea all while watching a movie - Better than the drive-ins. If it had 4 port days I d do it in a second. I still may in the future.

I mean some of you havent even given it a chance. Your like beating it down for being too loud or for whatever reason before you even experience it. If the music of the Island Party that is one day out of the week and hundreds of people love and enjoy is too intrusive or loud than maybe a more subdued or "elderly" type ship is a better choice for your taste.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think its a great idea and think it'd be beautiful to relax in the open by a pool on the gorgeous sea all while watching a movie - Better than the drive-ins. If it had 4 port days I d do it in a second. I still may in the future.

I mean some of you havent even given it a chance. Your like beating it down for being too loud or for whatever reason before you even experience it. If the music of the Island Party that is one day out of the week and hundreds of people love and enjoy is too intrusive or loud than maybe a more subdued or "elderly" type ship is a better choice for your taste. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, I'm certainly not ready for a geriatric cruise, but I do like to relax. While it seems that the concept is being well accepted - and you are right, we shouldn't knock it until we've tried it - I still find it amazing that instead of enjoying a beautiful day at sea away from the constant barrage of media stimulation and immersed in what Mother Earth alone provides, people would choose to watch TV. And I grew up on TV. I think that's really a waste and I question those priorities.

As for Island Night, I may have misrepresented my feelings for that. I did say that it was proper for a tropical cruise and I didn't say they should cancel the event just because I could hear the music from my balcony. Quite the contrary, I was part of the party for most of it. My point was if I could hear Island Night, I could probably hear a NBA basketball game blasting from the LED apparatus. While I would not find Island Night music an intrusion, I would the other.

On the other hand, I respect the opinions of our Mr. Wilson and so I'm willing to be non-judgmental about the whole thing. While I don't particularly relish a big screen TV over the main pool on the Grand Class ships, the plus is that all you non-elderly-cruise types will be there and I'll have the quiet of the aft pool to myself.

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