An Introduction to the Ships and Classes of the HAL Fleet

[dougnewmanatsea]

One of the most common questions we get on these boards, particularly from new members, is about the different "classes" of HAL ships - the Vista-class, S-class, and so on. Naturally, everyone wants to know which ships are in each class, and what the differences are.

With that in mind, I decided to post this "sticky" post explaining the different "classes". I hope this clarifies the situation.

Now, let's meet the different HAL ships, starting with the smallest and oldest:

PRINSENDAM

PRINSENDAM - Built 1988 - 37,983 Gross Tons - 793 passengers

The smallest and oldest HAL ship, she is in a class by herself. She generally does the longest and most expensive cruises. She is the only HAL ship not built for the line, she was built in 1988 as the ROYAL VIKING SUN, became SEABOURN SUN in 2000 and then PRINSENDAM in 2002. Among things that separate her from the rest of the HAL ships - she does not have a two-deck dining room or main lounge, an indoor/outdoor pool, or dedicated children's facilities. Her smaller, more intimate size and off-the-beaten path itineraries are appreciated by her increasingly loyal following.

S-class

STATENDAM - 1993 - 55,810 GT - 1,251 pax
MAASDAM - 1993 - 55,451 GT - 1,251 pax
RYNDAM - 1994 - 55,819 GT - 1,251 pax
VEENDAM - 1996 - 55,451 GT - 1,251 pax

These four ships are the "backbone" of the HAL fleet. They are virtually identical except for color schemes and artwork. They were the first new HAL cruise ships to have features like the atrium, the two-deck high dining room and main lounge, and the indoor/outdoor Lido pool. These very versatile ships have done everything from 7-day Caribbean and Alaska cruises to full World Cruises. Recently they have been upgraded with features like the Pinnacle Grill alternative restaurant and the Neptune Lounge concierge lounge (for suite passengers).

R-class

ROTTERDAM - 1997 - 59,652 GT - 1,316 pax
VOLENDAM - 1998 - 60,906 GT - 1,440 pax
ZAANDAM - 1999 - 61,396 GT - 1,440 pax
AMSTERDAM - 2000 - 61,484 GT - 1,380 pax

The R-class ships are very similar to the S-class, but a bit longer and wider. Unlike the S-class, they are not all identical. The first of the four was ROTTERDAM. Specially designed for longer cruises, she is the fastest ship in the fleet. She also introduced new features like an alternative restaurant, concierge lounge, and Internet Cafe (all since retrofitted to the older ships as well). VOLENDAM and ZAANDAM followed; they are similar to ROTTERDAM but slower (the same speed as the S-class ships) and are a bit larger because the aft pool was moved up one deck, creating more indoor space on the deck below. Unlike ROTTERDAM, they were designed for yeoman duty in the Caribbean and Alaska though they also are suitable for longer cruises. Like the S-class ships, only decor separates these twins. The final R-class ship, like AMSTERDAM, like a hybrid of ROTTERDAM and VOLENDAM/ZAANDAM. She is faster than VOLENDAM or ZAANDAM but not as fast as ROTTERDAM. Like ROTTERDAM, she was built specially for longer voyages. ROTTERDAM and AMSTERDAM, together, are considered HAL's "flagships" and along with PRINSENDAM they usually do the longest and most prestigious cruises - the World Cruise along with the various Grand Voyages.

Vista-class

ZUIDERDAM - 2002 - 81,769 GT - 1,848 pax
OOSTERDAM - 2003 - 81,769 GT - 1,848 pax
WESTERDAM - 2004 - 81,811 GT - 1,848 pax
NOORDAM - 2006 - 82,318 GT - 1,918 pax

These are the biggest and newest HAL ships currently in service. They were designed mainly for shorter (less than two weeks) cruises in the Caribbean, Alaska, and Europe. Like the S-class, they represented a departure from previous HAL ships in size and design. While bigger than HAL's other ships, they are still much smaller than some competitors' ships which are now sometimes bigger than 150,000 GT and can carry over 3,500 passengers (Royal Caribbean have now ordered a ship that will be 220,000 GT and carry over 5,000 passengers). These ships are notable because of the exceptionally high number of private balconies - over two-thirds of cabins have them. They are called the Vista-class because they are named after the points of the compass in Dutch - Zuid (South), Oost (East), West, and Noord (North). The first three are identical; NOORDAM incorporates a few design changes which make her larger and have a slightly higher passenger capacity.

Signature-class

This will be two (or more) ships which will be larger, improved versions of the Vista-class, much as the R-class can be considered improved versions of the S-class. Right now there are few details but they will probably be about 90,000 GT with a passenger capacity of about 2,000.

[Druke I]

Good informative post, which should help some people answer their own questions.

[LAFFNVEGAS]

Doug, Thanks for the write up of explaining the ships. Nicely explained and should answer questions for new HAL cruisers.:)

[Host Walt]

To add to Doug's summary, here are photos of examples of each class.

Prinsendam:

http://www.miamibeach411.com/photos/cruise-ships/holland-america-prinsendam.gif


S-Class (Statendam):

http://www.travelshop.de/kreuzfahrten/hal/statendam/statendam170.jpg


R Class (Rotterdam):

http://www.cruiseserver.net/images/ships/ha_rott6.jpg

Vista Class (Zuiderdam):

http://www.smooth-jazz.de/events/Cruise/Zuiderdam.jpg

[Krazy Kruizers]

Wonderful write-up. Love the pictures.

Great job guys.

[johnlcruise]

This really Helps.
Thank you for taking the time.

[MrsMuir]

Thank you, Doug and Walt. The more I learn about the ships, the more I want to know.

Mrs M.

[Grumpy1]

Very clear and concise! Thanks for the info, Doug, and Walt's pictures are a nice addition. This really does deserve Sticky Status.

[workerbees]

As usual excellent information Doug, especially valuable to a first time HAL cruiser (only 30 more days) like me!:) :p

AAL

[patwell]

Thank you Hosts Doug and Walt....I am new to HAL and contemplating my first cruise on Westerdam next year. This really answered my questions about the differences in classes of ships, something I've never really found elsewhere. Appreciate it...cheers, Penny

[Host Walt]

There is a lot more information about Holland America (and other cruise lines) in other sections of Cruise Critic.

In "Reviews (http://www.cruisecritic.com/reviews/index.cfm)," for example, there's a global description of Holland America and it's ships and why they are named the way they are. Click: About Holland America (http://www.cruisecritic.com/reviews/cruiseline.cfm?CruiseLineID=21)

A snip from the referenced article:

...First up -- and garnering the lion's share of hype -- is the company's ultra-contemporary Vista class of vessels. The first in the 85,000-ton, 1,848-passenger Vista class of ships was the Zuiderdam (http://www.cruisecritic.com/reviews/review.cfm?ShipID=266), which entered service in 2003. The Oosterdam debuted in 2003, followed by Westerdam April 2004.

Highlights of the Vista class include ocean views in 85 percent of the staterooms, and verandahs in 65 percent of the staterooms. The ships also feature nifty, glass-walled exterior elevators that ascend up 10 decks and provide fabulous panoramic views. The alternative restaurant, spa, entertainment lounge, penthouse verandah suites and Internet cafe on the Vista class ships are the largest in the Holland America fleet. There are extensive Club HAL children's play facilities on all Vista class ships, and each stateroom is equipped with a data port connection...

You can also read reader reviews of all HAL ships in the Reviews (http://www.cruisecritic.com/reviews/index.cfm) section.

[raadsel]

We also should include Copper's post about the "correct" pronunciation (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=5911663&postcount=9) of the various ship names.

[Host Walt]

Here's Copper10-8's pronunciation guide from that link...

... the Dutch have accents and even dialects depending on what part of the country they're from so you might get a different pronounciation from someone from the province of Friesland (the far north), Amsterdam in the province of Noord Holland in the west and/or the southern provinces of Brabant and Limburg. Even the inhabitants of the three big cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Den Haag (the Hague) have their own accents.

Prinsendam "Princen-dam" as in "Prince"
Statendam "St-ah-ten-dam" as in "say Aah"
Maasdam "Maahs-dam" as in "say Ahh"
Ryndam "Rhine-dam"
Veendam "Veyn-dam" as in "hey"
Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dam" as in Rotweiler
Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dam"
Volendam "Vohl-en-dam" as in "Foal"
Zaandam "Zahn-dam" as in "say Aah"
Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam"
Oosterdam "Oasterdam" as in Toast but drop the "T"
Westerdam "West-ehr-dam"
Noordam "Nor-dam" as in More

[mii]

Great job guys. Now that is a very imformative "sticky". Thanks alot.

marilyn

[mrcruzer]

On the Vista-Class ships, can you walk on the forward section of the bow at any time? are there restrictions? Can you even get there?

[Wild Thing ~T]

Can you walk on the bow of the Zaandam?

Are there refridgerators in the cabins of the Zanndam?

First time on HAL.
Thanks for the great info!

[Bucky3]

Thank you for this post. Having cruised first on Oosterdam a year or so ago and then on Volendam a couple of weeks ago, I am so happy to have these comparisons all in one place!!

[Alexborngal]

One of the most common questions we get on these boards, particularly from new members, is about the different "classes" of HAL ships - the Vista-class, S-class, and so on. Naturally, everyone wants to know which ships are in each class, and what the differences are.

With that in mind, I decided to post this "sticky" post explaining the different "classes". I hope this clarifies the situation.

Now, let's meet the different HAL ships, starting with the smallest and oldest:

PRINSENDAM

PRINSENDAM - Built 1988 - 37,983 Gross Tons - 793 passengers

The smallest and oldest HAL ship, she is in a class by herself. She generally does the longest and most expensive cruises. She is the only HAL ship not built for the line, she was built in 1988 as the ROYAL VIKING SUN, became SEABOURN SUN in 2000 and then PRINSENDAM in 2002. Among things that separate her from the rest of the HAL ships - she does not have a two-deck dining room or main lounge, an indoor/outdoor pool, or dedicated children's facilities. Her smaller, more intimate size and off-the-beaten path itineraries are appreciated by her increasingly loyal following.

S-class

STATENDAM - 1993 - 55,810 GT - 1,251 pax
MAASDAM - 1993 - 55,451 GT - 1,251 pax
RYNDAM - 1994 - 55,819 GT - 1,251 pax
VEENDAM - 1996 - 55,451 GT - 1,251 pax

These four ships are the "backbone" of the HAL fleet. They are virtually identical except for color schemes and artwork. They were the first new HAL cruise ships to have features like the atrium, the two-deck high dining room and main lounge, and the indoor/outdoor Lido pool. These very versatile ships have done everything from 7-day Caribbean and Alaska cruises to full World Cruises. Recently they have been upgraded with features like the Pinnacle Grill alternative restaurant and the Neptune Lounge concierge lounge (for suite passengers).

R-class

ROTTERDAM - 1997 - 59,652 GT - 1,316 pax
VOLENDAM - 1998 - 60,906 GT - 1,440 pax
ZAANDAM - 1999 - 61,396 GT - 1,440 pax
AMSTERDAM - 2000 - 61,484 GT - 1,380 pax

The R-class ships are very similar to the S-class, but a bit longer and wider. Unlike the S-class, they are not all identical. The first of the four was ROTTERDAM. Specially designed for longer cruises, she is the fastest ship in the fleet. She also introduced new features like an alternative restaurant, concierge lounge, and Internet Cafe (all since retrofitted to the older ships as well). VOLENDAM and ZAANDAM followed; they are similar to ROTTERDAM but slower (the same speed as the S-class ships) and are a bit larger because the aft pool was moved up one deck, creating more indoor space on the deck below. Unlike ROTTERDAM, they were designed for yeoman duty in the Caribbean and Alaska though they also are suitable for longer cruises. Like the S-class ships, only decor separates these twins. The final R-class ship, like AMSTERDAM, like a hybrid of ROTTERDAM and VOLENDAM/ZAANDAM. She is faster than VOLENDAM or ZAANDAM but not as fast as ROTTERDAM. Like ROTTERDAM, she was built specially for longer voyages. ROTTERDAM and AMSTERDAM, together, are considered HAL's "flagships" and along with PRINSENDAM they usually do the longest and most prestigious cruises - the World Cruise along with the various Grand Voyages.

Vista-class

ZUIDERDAM - 2002 - 81,769 GT - 1,848 pax
OOSTERDAM - 2003 - 81,769 GT - 1,848 pax
WESTERDAM - 2004 - 81,811 GT - 1,848 pax
NOORDAM - 2006 - 82,318 GT - 1,918 pax

These are the biggest and newest HAL ships currently in service. They were designed mainly for shorter (less than two weeks) cruises in the Caribbean, Alaska, and Europe. Like the S-class, they represented a departure from previous HAL ships in size and design. While bigger than HAL's other ships, they are still much smaller than some competitors' ships which are now sometimes bigger than 150,000 GT and can carry over 3,500 passengers (Royal Caribbean have now ordered a ship that will be 220,000 GT and carry over 5,000 passengers). These ships are notable because of the exceptionally high number of private balconies - over two-thirds of cabins have them. They are called the Vista-class because they are named after the points of the compass in Dutch - Zuid (South), Oost (East), West, and Noord (North). The first three are identical; NOORDAM incorporates a few design changes which make her larger and have a slightly higher passenger capacity.

Signature-class

This will be two (or more) ships which will be larger, improved versions of the Vista-class, much as the R-class can be considered improved versions of the S-class. Right now there are few details but they will probably be about 90,000 GT with a passenger capacity of about 2,000.

Doug, thanks ever so much for a very informative article. We've sailed on the Amsterdam and have two bookings on the Zaandam. I've been wondering what class the Zaandam was and now I know. I was going to be researching the information shortly and you saved me lots of time and trouble. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU!!!!

[earl_m]

well done thank you




WESTERDAM NOV12 2006

[Himself]

This was a great sticky. Even I learned a few things by reading them. I like all the Dam ships that I have been on especially the following three:
Statendam, Rotterdam, Volendam.

FYI I have been on all the "S" class ships, in the "R" I have been on the Rotterdam and Volendam. Hopefully I will soon be on the Zaandam. I have been on two VISTA ships so far" The Zuiderdam and the OOSTERDAM. I have been on two ships no longer in service: Nieuw Amsterdam and the old Westerdam ( Originally the Homeric.)

[AlohaPride]

I do believe I am becoming addicted to Holland America Cruise Lines...and this message board :D

[JYGresham]

Where can I download deck plans of the Maasdam--the Holland AMerica site has a link but I could not bring it up?

[GMoney]

I just want to say I really appreciate the original post. I use it all the time, esp because I can't seem to find similar data on HAL's website. Thanks for taking the time!

[Host Walt]

Where can I download deck plans of the Maasdam--the Holland AMerica site has a link but I could not bring it up?

Here's a link to the MAASDAM DECK PLANS (http://www.hollandamerica.com/fleet/fleetDeck.do?ship=ma) section of the HAL website. On the linked page you can click on each deck and get a .pdf (Adobe Acrobat) page that shows all the details of the deck.)

BTW, the plan for Maasdam is virtually identical to the plans for all four of the S-Class ships.

[NDGal]

HI!

What HAL ships go to Alaska? We are just beginning to plan a cruise to Alaska, and would like any hints on what ship to take.

Thanks for any info.

Lori

[swansonia]

Thanks for the info in this sticky. We are considering the Zaandam for Alaska in 2007. Everyone makes HAL sound so wonderful, I think we must give it a try !!!

[OH-C-luver]

Hi Grumpy!
Saw Lawrence of Antigua last week on AOS! Glad we followed your recommendation as we found his tour wonderful and his bus was just like new. He said you were just there a few weeks previous to our visit! Thanks again Steve, we loved Lawrence and his tour!

[~Nereus~]

eye yai yai!

put an eye in this one


Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam"


Great information but I would disagree with this one...

But I can't think of an English equivalent.. it is not an "hey"
if you try to pronounce Zey it becomes Zee the Dutch word for sea
I believe it would be closer to "Z eye der dahm"

Arno

[CarlsbadSally]

Are you familiar with nicknames used for the various Holland America ships or groups of ships? Do you know which ones are referred to as the "middledams" and what the other ones are? Thanks.

[mssl]

Hi- how ddid you enjoy the Ryndam last year- thinking of taking the cruise this May. Also did you take any tours- what would you recommend if you were to take the cruise again. Thanks Sally

[musketeer]

Thank you for this post. Having cruised first on Oosterdam a year or so ago and then on Volendam a couple of weeks ago, I am so happy to have these comparisons all in one place!!

We're going to book the 2008 Holiday cruise out of Auckland. Any advice or comments as to the type of cabin you'd choose? We can afford up to an A verandah. Thanks in advance.:)

[spearmint]

Looking for alternatives to Celebrity ships, this is a great "sticky". :)Thanks all.

[Nancyquilts]

I've always considered Prinsendam to be in a class by herself. Nancy

[Host Walt]

We're going to book the 2008 Holiday cruise out of Auckland. Any advice or comments as to the type of cabin you'd choose? We can afford up to an A verandah. Thanks in advance.:)
That question is better asked as it's own thread on the main HAL Board. (The matter of cabin choice (size, location) is based on personal preferences so where some will prefer a basic outside near the casino, others may like a rear facing balcony up high.)

[luckiestlady21]

Here's Copper10-8's pronunciation guide from that link...

... the Dutch have accents and even dialects depending on what part of the country they're from so you might get a different pronounciation from someone from the province of Friesland (the far north), Amsterdam in the province of Noord Holland in the west and/or the southern provinces of Brabant and Limburg. Even the inhabitants of the three big cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Den Haag (the Hague) have their own accents.

Prinsendam "Princen-dam" as in "Prince"
Statendam "St-ah-ten-dam" as in "say Aah"
Maasdam "Maahs-dam" as in "say Ahh"
Ryndam "Rhine-dam"
Veendam "Veyn-dam" as in "hey"
Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dam" as in Rotweiler
Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dam"
Volendam "Vohl-en-dam" as in "Foal"
Zaandam "Zahn-dam" as in "say Aah"
Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam"
Oosterdam "Oasterdam" as in Toast but drop the "T"
Westerdam "West-ehr-dam"
Noordam "Nor-dam" as in More

Im new to cruise critic, but as someone who formally worked for Holland America I am so thrilled to see someone post a pronounciation guide for the ships. A humorous list of the mispronounciations of the names might be a future post of mine.

[Orcrone]

This thread was started about a year ago, with much less known about the Eurodam. Can someone post some updated info about her?

[flag fan]

What a great thread!! First the clear and concise explanations of each class and each ship, then the helpful pictures, then the pronunciation guide (I pronounced every ship incorrectly)!!! Thanks everyone.

[jtl513]

This thread was started about a year ago, with much less known about the Eurodam. Can someone post some updated info about her?It is very much like the Vistas, but with another deck forward and aft of the pool dome. The Crow's Nest/Explorations Cafe have been moved up, and cabins put in their former place on deck 10. In the aft part of the new deck level is a specialty restaurant. You can see the deck plans etc at Eurodam (http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruiseships/Eurodam)

[herb]

What a great way to quickly look up which ship is similar or for that matter different! Thanks for taking the time to do this.

[MrsMuir]

Herb, see what you've missed while you weren't cruising the HAL board? Doug posted all this great info after I plaintively asked for an explanation of the classes of the ships. He must have received many other requests, so he put this together. I printed it out and keep it in my briefcase to peruse on the bus on the way to work and back. Also useful is Copper-10's treatise on the Captains and Hotel Managers. It's good to have you back.

Mrs Muir

[NoNoNanette]

We had a huge AFT balcony on the Carnival Conquest a couple of years ago.

I have found that I'm not fond of those MEGA ships. I'm much happier with 1200-1600 fellow passengers.

I'd love to book another AFT cabin, but it appears as though I'm out of luck if I want to stick with R or S class in the future?

I've got my eye on the Zaandam (?) RT San Diego to Hawaii for our 20th wedding anniversary next December.

Any "special" suggestions for cabins not AFT? Thanks. ;)

[RevNeal]

Since no one else has posted, I'll offer up some advice:

If memory serves me correctly, you prefer the A/AA/B/BB category verandah cabins (which are excellent cabins). On an R-class vessel, like the Zaandam, the "best" of these cabins would be those amidships on the Verandah Deck ... AA6170 - AA6184 on the port side and AA6165 - AA6179 on the starboard side. Being close to the midship's stairs and elevators, this location is fantastic because the Lido is just 2 decks up, while the Upper Promenade Deck and many of the ship's lounges are just one deck down.

If you really like being aft or having access to aft views, you might want to note that there are two lovely aft decks (on both the Navigation and Verandah decks) that anyone can use but which most people don't know about. Also, the aft corner AA cabins (on the Navigation Deck) and the B Cabins (on the Verandah Deck) are hc cabins but DO have large corner verandahs.

[PalmBeachMom]

Thought you all might enjoy a photo of the ms Prinsendam leaving port in Waremunde, Germany this past September.
What a wonderful ship! I love HAL, especially this ship.

[Copper10-8]

Prinsendam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/415987.jpg

[Copper10-8]

Statendam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/369172.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/369172.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Maasdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/416178.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/416178.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Ryndam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/481050.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/481050.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Veendam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/392488.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/392488.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Rotterdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/1865.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/1865.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Volendam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/408316.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/408316.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Zaandam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/483794.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/483794.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Amsterdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/366952.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/366952.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Oosterdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/478583.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/478583.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Zuiderdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/491465.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/491465.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Westerdam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/513651.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/513651.jpg)

[Copper10-8]

Noordam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/392985.jpg (http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/392985.jpg)

[MrsMuir]

Copper-10, here's a big hug for those wonderful photos! Thank you.

Mrs Muir

[ykckby]

Just learning about HAL....thanks so much for the explanations and pictures.

kim

[hi2mari]

This thread was started about a year ago, with much less known about the Eurodam. Can someone post some updated info about her?
Orcrone:

I see that you have sailed on both HAL and Carnival. Do you have a preference? Can you outline some of the pros/cons? We recently sailed Princess and I found that we prefer Carnival for various reasons (cabin size, entertainment options, bathrobes!). Thanks for any info.

Mary

[RuthC]

Hello, Mary. I see that you're new here. So, you may not have noticed that this thread was started years ago, and has recently been brought forward.

Orcrone hasn't been around much and is not likely to see your post. He was a delightful poster when he was active here, and did contribute a lot. Please don't think he's ignoring you if he doesn't reply.

[pisces223]

Thank you for the great pictures! I heard that the Zuiderdam was going into dry dock to be refurbished next month (April). Does anyone know about that? We're taking cruising on it in the Med. in July. As I look at its history, it hasn't been there yet. So, I'm just wondering about it....... :confused:

[feonad]

:) Thanks. I didn't know they had indoor pools on the Maasdam.

[Two if by Sea]

I am confused by the deck plans for the Maasdam: is there a Sky Deck? It isn't shown in the 2008 brochure. It is in the 2007 brochure but with an asterisk on the "Oasis" saying that the Oasis is only on the Veendam. But does that mean the deck isn't accessible at all, or just doesn't feature the Oasis?

[sasharose]

Does the Zuiderdam have a launderette?

[RuthC]

Does the Zuiderdam have a launderette?
There are no self-service laundries on any of the Vista class ships. Nor will there be any on the Signature class ships.

The S- and R-class ships have self-service laundries at a cost of $2.00 for the washer, and $1.00 for the dryer. The Prinsendam laundries are included in the fare.

[morriscats]

Am trying to learn all about Oosterdam. Would VB4178 or 4183 aft be good staterooms to book? Is the balcony partially covered? Thanks all.
ps If anyone has any stateroom suggestions let me know. We do want a balcony.

[O2B@C]

Am trying to learn all about Oosterdam. Would VB4178 or 4183 aft be good staterooms to book? Is the balcony partially covered? Thanks all.
ps If anyone has any stateroom suggestions let me know. We do want a balcony.

You might have better luck getting responses to this inquiry if you post it as a new thread rather than at the tail end of this one. Short answer: those are both good staterooms, with deeper balconies than the VB cabins on the side, and wonderful aft views. However, there is not much cover on them.

[DrFUN]

Great thread! Thanks so much to all.

Does anyone know what the April 2009 changes to the Oosterdam actually are? (Deck plans are posted on HAL for both up to early April 2009 and then a different set after late April 2009, suggesting a 3-week renovation of some sort.)

I'm especially interested in revisions of the aft VAs, about which I've read conflicting posts -- some indicating that the balconies there will be extended a bit (enlarged); others stating just the opposite (that the currently deeper balconies there will be shortened to conform to the side balconies).

We booked an AFT VA on Oosterdam for a May 2009 sailing -- and are hoping that it will indeed be the extended one. If not, what WILL be at the end of these aft decks? :confused:

Thanks for any input,
Mary-Lou (& Dave)

[jtl513]

Does anyone know what the April 2009 changes to the Oosterdam actually are? (Deck plans are posted on HAL for both up to early April 2009 and then a different set after late April 2009, suggesting a 3-week renovation of some sort.)

I'm especially interested in revisions of the aft VAs, about which I've read conflicting posts -- some indicating that the balconies there will be extended a bit (enlarged); others stating just the opposite (that the currently deeper balconies there will be shortened to conform to the side balconies)
The changes to the stern will be just the same as were done for the Zuiderdam this year and the Westerdam last year. Deck 4 remains unchanged, so it will still have the very large, exposed verandahs. The size of the deck 5 verandahs will not change, but they will be completely covered (except for maybe a foot) because deck 6 will be extended such that its railing will be almost directly above deck 5's railing. Decks 7, 8, & 9 will also be extended. In this process, all of the verandahs on 6, 7, and 8 get considerably shortened, but not quite as short as the side balconies. :)

[DrFUN]

The changes to the stern will be just the same as were done for the Zuiderdam this year and the Westerdam last year. Deck 4 remains unchanged, so it will still have the very large, exposed verandahs. The size of the deck 5 verandahs will not change, but they will be completely covered (except for maybe a foot) because deck 6 will be extended such that its railing will be almost directly above deck 5's railing. Decks 7, 8, & 9 will also be extended. In this process, all of the verandahs on 6, 7, and 8 get considerably shortened, but not quite as short as the side balconies. :)

THANKS SO MUCH, jtl513!

[Copper10-8]

m/s Eurodam

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/Ship+Photo+Eurodam/672497.jpg

[caribbean girl]

Nice photo, JP...I see this one in our future!!;)

[Copper10-8]

Nice photo, JP...I see this one in our future!!;)


Good to hear from you Alcirita:) It has been a while!;)

[Sue's Mom]

That's a lovely photo, John. Despite her rear end (and we can't all have attractive rear ends!), I still like her and am really looking forward to our cruise.

[MightyQuinn]

PRINSENDAM - Built 1988 - 37,983 Gross Tons - 793 passengers

The smallest and oldest HAL ship, she is in a class by herself. She generally does the longest and most expensive cruises. She is the only HAL ship not built for the line, she was built in 1988 as the ROYAL VIKING SUN, became SEABOURN SUN in 2000 and then PRINSENDAM in 2002. Among things that separate her from the rest of the HAL ships - she does not have a two-deck dining room or main lounge, an indoor/outdoor pool, or dedicated children's facilities. Her smaller, more intimate size and off-the-beaten path itineraries are appreciated by her increasingly loyal following.
Is the Prinsendam essentially the same ship as the former Renaissance vessels that currently sail for Oceania, Azamara & Princess? They all seem to be smaller, more intimate & classic ships. Are there any real differences? Many thanks.

[dorioty]

Amsterdam

[Happy Cruiser 6143]

What a very helpful thread! I have found the HAL site a bit difficult to use. Am considering a HAL cruise in the fall on the Canada-New England itinerary as Celebrity no longer does the interesting itinerary including a cruise of the Saguenay Fjord. Thanks to all who have contributed!

I would like to make a contribution too. We were parked behind the Westerdam in Ft. Lauderdale last February and I have a good shot of the rear of the ship. I've never been able to figure out how to post large photos. A thumbnail wouldn't be of much use to anyone. If someone can advise me how to post a large photo, I'll be happy to put it up.

[Copper10-8]

What a very helpful thread! I have found the HAL site a bit difficult to use. Am considering a HAL cruise in the fall on the Canada-New England itinerary as Celebrity no longer does the interesting itinerary including a cruise of the Saguenay Fjord. Thanks to all who have contributed!

I would like to make a contribution too. We were parked behind the Westerdam in Ft. Lauderdale last February and I have a good shot of the rear of the ship. I've never been able to figure out how to post large photos. A thumbnail wouldn't be of much use to anyone. If someone can advise me how to post a large photo, I'll be happy to put it up.

Hi Happy

First save your photo on your own PC in a folder, then use a site like Photobucket (it's free, just register) and save it there. Once saved there, open up that pic, use the copy function (right click on your mouse), open up a new post in this thread, add some text (it wont take just a photo by itself), use the paste function (right click on your mouse again) and you should be done! Good luck and thanks for your service!!!

[OKTraveler]

Is the Prinsendam essentially the same ship as the former Renaissance vessels that currently sail for Oceania, Azamara & Princess? They all seem to be smaller, more intimate & classic ships. Are there any real differences? Many thanks.

No, the Prinsendam is not one of the R-boats, nor was it a first generation Renaissance ship. It was built as the Royal Viking Sun, for the Royal Viking line, which was absorbed by Carnival Corp. It is somewhat older than the R-boats.

It happens to be our favorite. We've taken cruises on HAL's R-class and S-class ships, for itinerary, but rather watch where Prinsendam is going, and book that ship again, paying a substantial premium to do so. It you sail on Prinsendam, you will likely discover that the majority of your fellow passengers are repeaters. On our previous cruise, one of our fellow passengers had been on Prinsendam for more than two years, and was debarking only because she forced to, by the ship going into drydock.

addendum: Carnival Corp first put the Royal Viking Sun to use under the Seabourne brand. They apparently decided it was too big for the Seabourne style, so the next likely place was HAL, although the rest of HAL's ships were quite a bit bigger.

[Copper10-8]

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/rotterdam_1959_1.jpg

ss Rotterdam V (1959-present) Built in 1959 as ss Rotterdam by the Rotterdamsche Droogdok Maatschappij (Rotterdam Drydock Company), Rotterdam, the Netherlands for the Holland Amerika Lijn/Holland America Line for which she would become their very popular flagship. At 748 feet long, 94 feet wide and weighing 38,650 tons, she would be the largest ship ever built in the Netherlands and she would sail for HAL for 39 years!

She was the fifth ship in the line's history to bear the name of Rotterdam, the principal city in the Dutch province of Zuid (South) Holland, second largest municipality in the Netherlands and the largest port in Europe. The name 'Rotterdam' originally comes from a dam built on the river Rotte.

On 13 September 1958, Rotterdam V was launched by her godmother, HRH Queen Juliana of The Netherlands. Upon the completion of succesful sea trials, she set out on her maiden voyage from Rotterdam to New York, via Le Havre, France and Southampton, England, on 3 September 1959, arriving in New York on 11 September. One of her passengers was the then Crown Princess of The Netherlands, Princess, now Queen, Beatrix.

She then departed New York on her first cruise on 11 December, 1959, a 49-day cruise circumnavigating South America. She would make her first world cruise in 1961, a seventy seven-day roundtrip from New York. In 1969, Rotterdam made her last regularly scheduled transatlantic crossing and was converted to a one-class cruise ship. She would, however, make four more world cruises in 1993, 1995, 1996, and 1997.

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/rotterdam_1959_3.jpg

From September until October 1989, she received a $15 million dollar (mostly interior) refit at a Portland, Oregon shipyard. On 31 January 1996, HAL announced that the much loved ship would be taken out of service as of 30 September 1997. The reason given by her owners (later disputed) was the new SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea) requirements coming into effect and the funds, supposedly U.S. 40 million, required to update the thirty-eight year old vessel. Rotterdam would make a farewell cruise at the end of her Alaska season from Vancouver, BC to Ft Lauderdale, Fl.

In October 1997, she was purchased by Premier Cruises who had her upgraded to SOLAS standards and renamed Rembrandt. Premier kept her classic ocean liner 'feel' and on 21 December 1997, she departed on her first cruise to South America. The summer of 1998 found her cruising in the Mediterranean. Premier however, also had grandiose plans to rename the ship 'Big Red Boat IV' and to paint her hull a bright red, an idea not very popular with her fans. As Big Red Boat IV she would sail out of Los Angeles on three and four-day party cruises to Mexico in the winter and out of Vancouver, BC on seven-day Alaska cruises in the summer.

As faith would have it, Premier Cruise Line ran into financial difficulties. On 13 September, 2000 during a northbound New England/Canada cruise, her captain was ordered to return his ship to Halifax, Nova Scotia. After off-loading her passengers, the ss Rembrandt was placed under arrest. As a special condition of her warrants, she was allowed to depart for Freeport, the Bahamas where she arrived on 30 December 2000 and was laid-up pending sale. Premier Cruise Lines filed for bankruptcy and went out of business.

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/597175_800/Ship+Photo+Rembrandt.jpg

On 7 May 2003 Rembrandt became the property of s.s. Rotterdam BV (part of RDM holding or Rotterdamse Droogdok Maatschappij, her original builders). On 17 June 2004, the Polish ocean-going tug 'Englishman' towed her from the Bahamas to the Camell Laird yard at Gibraltar where she arrived on 12 July 2004 and where renovation work was scheduled for her. She would remain docked at the British Crown Colony until October 2005 (see below). By that time, she also had new owner, 'Rederij De Rotterdam BV'.

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/rotterdam_1959_5.jpg

On 25 October 2005, after a tow from Gibraltar by the Spanish tug 'V B Artico', she arrived at Cadiz, Spain, for additional (dry) dock maintenance including the repainting of her hull in her original light gray color. In addition, she was renamed Rotterdam and registered in the same city. 'V B Artico' would tow her again, this time from 10 to 27 February 2006, from Cadiz to Gdansk, Poland where her asbestos was removed and further renovating would take place (see below).

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/rotterdam_1959_9.jpg

On 25 August 2006 she received yet another tow, this time to Wilhelmshaven, Germany (see below) where she stayed until August 2008 for additional exterior restoration work.

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/rotterdam_1959_14.jpg

[Copper10-8]

http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/703285_800/Ship+Photo+Rotterdam.jpg

On 2 September 2008, she left Wilhelmshaven and on 4 September 2008, she made her triumphant return (see above and below) to her city of birth, Rotterdam, where she was berthed at the “Katendrechtse Hoofd” (Head of Katendrecht) located on the northern edge of Rotterdam Zuid (South) in the Maashaven (River Maas harbor) and where she will serve as a floating hotel, static museum ship and conference center.

http://www.ssmaritime.com/Rotterdam-home-Gerard-Vaas1-4-8-08.jpg

[1Sunshine1]

I've been on Holland America ships 9 times now and this is the 1st time I've known the difference of the ships. Your info was very informative and very easy to read and understand.

Thanks
D:cool:

[Susie51]

Thank you for continuing to update us on the classes of ships in the HAL fleet.

[Himself]

I have been all ships currently in the fleet except: Prisendam, Noordam and Eurodam. I like them all but my current favorite is the m.s. AMSTERDAM.

[HNI]

Our first two cruises were with Carnival.The Elation, then the Ecstasy which are clones. On Carnival we were among the youngest couples, we were early 50's. When waiting to board HAL (Ryndam) we noticed most passengers were way older than us. Numerous wheelchairs, walkers even oxygen tanks. Carnival caters to a younger party, drinker and smoker crowd. HAL offers a more reserved and luxurious ambience. Most passengers are asleep by 11:00p.m. Very few smokers since by this age most smokers have died. Now that we are in our 60's we still feel young traveling HAL. I loved Princess. However both Carnival and HAL had larger cabins. Princess had mattresses made of stone. If you go on HAL avoid the Ryndam. It is a small ship and I got seasick. In addition it has plumbing problems that cannot be fixed. We were without the use of our toilets for hours on two separate days.

[HNI]

Our first two cruises were with Carnival.The Elation, then the Ecstasy which are clones. On Carnival we were among the youngest couples, we were early 50's. When waiting to board HAL (Ryndam) we noticed most passengers were way older than us. Numerous wheelchairs, walkers even oxygen tanks. Carnival caters to a younger party, drinker and smoker crowd. HAL offers a more reserved and luxurious ambience. Most passengers are asleep by 11:00p.m. Very few smokers since by this age most smokers have died. Now that we are in our 60's we still feel young traveling HAL. I loved Princess. However both Carnival and HAL had larger cabins. Princess had mattresses made of stone. If you go on HAL avoid the Ryndam. It is a small ship and I got seasick. In addition it has plumbing problems that cannot be fixed. We were without the use of our toilets for hours on two separate days.

I meant to say "on Carnival we were among the OLDEST couples."

[DS Voyager]

Out of the nine cruises I have been on so far in my life, I've been on HAL for five of them. Been on the Veendam (1-night Vancouver-Seattle in 1996 and 4-day Pacific Northwest r/t Vancouver in 1999), SS Rotterdam (4-day Pacific Northwest r/t Vancouver in 1997), Ryndam (10-day S. Caribbean Seafarer r/t Ft. Lauderdale), and Zaandam (4-day Pacific Northwest r/t Vancouver in 2002). The Ryndam was among my favourites since it was a rather spontaneous, last-minute decision to sail on that cruise, but even though I was 8 at the time, I immensely enjoyed sailing on the Grande Dame and was fortunate to have experienced a real ship (not a floating box with a bow stuck to the end) before she was retired.

[travelen]

Best I have found for HAL. Where does Eurodam fit and has Oosterdam April renovations actually been accomplished?

[RuthC]

Where does Eurodam fit
This thread, the descriptions of the various classes, began before the Eurodam.
The E-dam is a Signature class ship, and will soon be joined by a sister in that class. The Nieuw Amsterdam is expected to sail in July, 2010.

You can think of the Signature class as Vista 2.0. The deckplans are virtually identical, with the exception that there is an additional deck. There is the introduction of the Tamarind Restaurant and Silk Den lounge. There is also the introduction of cabanas on Lido Deck and in the Retreat area of Observation Deck. There are also spa cabins, and a few other little changes from the Vista class.

[woody73]

What a helpful thread. Thanks to all.

Woody

[Happy Cruiser 6143]

Well, better late than never! Just ran across Copper John's instructions. Here it is.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Qv9igff5gVI/SlpjQlPRxAI/AAAAAAAAD6U/1AGrwtNSYwM/s640/P2030133.JPG

[Cruizer Bill]

Doug, Walt and others,
Thanks much for this informative thread. Very interesting and fun to read!
Bill

[DrFUN]

This thread, the descriptions of the various classes, began before the Eurodam.
The E-dam is a Signature class ship, and will soon be joined by a sister in that class. The Nieuw Amsterdam is expected to sail in July, 2010.

You can think of the Signature class as Vista 2.0. The deckplans are virtually identical, with the exception that there is an additional deck. There is the introduction of the Tamarind Restaurant and Silk Den lounge. There is also the introduction of cabanas on Lido Deck and in the Retreat area of Observation Deck. There are also spa cabins, and a few other little changes from the Vista class.

Thanks, dear Ruth!

Always apreciate your expert advice here.

We've cruised a lot (in fact, spent a great 12 days on the Oosterdamn this summer from BCN-VEN in an aft corner SC, which we loved!)--but never done a T/A. DH and I just booked the Nieuw Amsterdam for its final inaugural season sailing of the Med (BCN-LIS) plus maiden T/A to the USA (October 2010) -- but have few concerns that I hope you might address:

1. Any idea why this T/A is EIGHT days from Lisbon to FLL (plus a 9th day at Half-Moon Cay)? Most others seem to be only 6 days.

2. I've read on these boards that the Eurodam has a crowded feel--so I'm concerned about how it will feel to be cooped up for soooo many days. We're looking forward to enjoying the R+R of a T/A, so crowds and chaos would be a deal-breaker. Any thoughts? (Also: We always thought if we did a T/A it would be on Cunard, with a variety of cultural activities, including Oxford lecturers and RSC players. Does a Eurodam T/A have anything comparable?)

3. Speaking of our preferred aft corners (and presuming the NA's stern will be the same as the Eurodam's, which we've not sailed), do you think the 5th deck aft corner SCs will have mostly covered large balconies and not TOO squeezed staterooms (I've read that it won't be as spacious as our Oosterdam 7th deck SC)?

Thanks for any and all advice!
Mary-Lou
("Dr. FUN")
:)

[RuthC]

Always apreciate your expert advice here.
Thank you. You might get more, and better, responses if you post your questions in their own thread. But I'll give a shot at some of them here---
1. Any idea why this T/A is EIGHT days from Lisbon to FLL (plus a 9th day at Half-Moon Cay)? Most others seem to be only 6 days.
No idea, but I know that my crossing this November is seven days, plus HMC. Perhaps it's standard on this route? All I know is that I'll love it!

2. I've read on these boards that the Eurodam has a crowded feel--so I'm concerned about how it will feel to be cooped up for soooo many days. We're looking forward to enjoying the R+R of a T/A, so crowds and chaos would be a deal-breaker. Any thoughts?
My experience on the E-dam was that the Lido felt terribly crowded, especially at meal times. The tables were also close together, so it could even feel crowded when there weren't many people there. The dining room also felt packed in, like that. The Ocean Bar was very crowded before dinner.

However, there were also times and places that I could enjoy the solitude. The Crow's Nest, both by day (assuming no activity going on), and later in the evening, as it's not an entertainment venue. Certainly, sitting out on Lower Promenade was uncrowded. The Explorers Lounge was full when the group was playing, but I was always able to get a seat---frequently there was a choice of seats.
3. Speaking of our preferred aft corners (and presuming the NA's stern will be the same as the Eurodam's, which we've not sailed), do you think the 5th deck aft corner SCs will have mostly covered large balconies and not TOO squeezed staterooms (I've read that it won't be as spacious as our Oosterdam 7th deck SC)?
I can't remember if Brian's (bepsf) corner, aft cabin was deck 5 or deck 6. :confused: It certainly was mostly covered. And quite spacious! I liked it there!
Thanks for any and all advice!
You're welcome!

[DrFUN]

Thanks, dear Ruth! This is soooo helpful--and I will also post Qs at the respective appropriate threads.

Appreciatively,
Mary-Lou

[totten]

I have booked a cruise in the Caribbean on the Eurodam & decided to go with the Spa Statesroom way up on the Observation Deck next to the Exploration Lounge & right beside the Retreat. I thought it looked exclusive (only 10 cabins on that floor)& close to things. I am concerned about the "sway" up top & I do know that the balcony is just a step out. I enjoy having a window open at night. I figure with the Retreat next door I will sit out there.
Am I wrong? Has anyone any advise or stayed in a VT room?

[RuthC]

I enjoy having a window open at night. I figure with the Retreat next door I will sit out there.
I presume by this you mean that you will go and sit in the Retreat area instead of leaving your balcony door open. :confused:

First, it's important to keep your balcony door closed, unless you are passing through it, because it cuts off the A/C in the other cabins on the same line. Those cabins can be on other decks, and even be inside cabins.
Second, it may not be a consideration at night because the retreat cabanas are not open for business, but the Retreat is only for those people who have booked a cabana. If you aren't booking a cabana that area may not be accessible to you.

[blitz56291415]

great cruise in eurodam from copenhagen to new york.
attention, food courtesy
aug 10 to aug 17 2009
everything fabulous.

except one day my safe deposit box was opened ???????? An the door to
my cabin did not close as you leave the room. After complaining it was fixed.

i was concerned. I notced a few things out of place.
security take notice

[blitz56291415]

:mad:cabin 1130

[IRL_Joanie]

Do I have the classes in correct order below and what is the meaning of the various classes; i.e., What does "S" class stand for, etc.,

I want to put this info on the Staterooms Main Page, so that CC'rs can see what type of ship is meant when someone mentions "S" Class, etc.

"S" CLASS SHIPS

Maasdam
Nieuw Amsterdam
Ryndam
Statendam
Veendam

"R" Class Ships:

Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Volendam
Zaandam
Amsterdam

"Vista" Class Ships:

Zuiderdam
OOSterdam
Westerdam
Zuiderdam

Thank you in advance

Joanie

[RuthC]

Do I have the classes in correct order below and what is the meaning of the various classes; i.e., What does "S" class stand for, etc.,
Not quite, there's a few corrections to be made:

S-class. This stands for the first ship in the class (Statendam)
Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam, Veendam
R-class stands for the first ship in that class (Rotterdam)
Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Volendam, Zaandam
Vista class. These ships are named for the directions on a map.
Zuiderdam (south), Oosterdam (west), Westerdam (west), Noordam (north).
Signature class. Eurodam (and soon) Nieuw Amsterdam
Prinsendam---a class all it's own.

[MightyQuinn]

Joannie - if you check out the very first post of this Sticky, all your questions will be answered!
http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=6689792&postcount=1

[RuthC]

Oosterdam (west),
Duh. Too late to edit. Oosterdam is east, of course.

[Copper10-8]

Deleted/taken care of;)

[IRL_Joanie]

Not quite, there's a few corrections to be made:

S-class. This stands for the first ship in the class (Statendam)
Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam, Veendam
R-class stands for the first ship in that class (Rotterdam)
Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Volendam, Zaandam
Vista class. These ships are named for the directions on a map.
Zuiderdam (south), Oosterdam (west), Westerdam (west), Noordam (north).
Signature class. Eurodam (and soon) Nieuw Amsterdam
Prinsendam---a class all it's own.

Thanks RuthC, will update tomorrow

Joanie

[IRL_Joanie]

Joannie - if you check out the very first post of this Sticky, all your questions will be answered!
http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=6689792&postcount=1

I saw that MightyQuinn, but it was not easy to find, and was not in a way that, I as a newbie, could translate easily.

I also want to have it on the same main page of the Hal Staterooms Page so people do not have to go looking for the info.

My deep thanks to RuthC and Copper10-8 for the info. I am getting ready to add it to the page as soon as I hit Submit on this message!!!

Joanie

[gpsoleil]

All the information on the ships was wonderful, but can anyone figure out which captain will be mastering which ship at any given time? The best cruise we ever had in terms of a captain with a personality and a genuine interest in all his passengers was on the Ryndam, Thanksgiving 2008. His name was Frans Consen. I'd love to know where he is now - and I'd like to know what his schedule is so I could book a cruise to sail again with this guy. He is " Mr. Personality".

[IRL_Joanie]

All the information on the ships was wonderful, but can anyone figure out which captain will be mastering which ship at any given time? The best cruise we ever had in terms of a captain with a personality and a genuine interest in all his passengers was on the Ryndam, Thanksgiving 2008. His name was Frans Consen. I'd love to know where he is now - and I'd like to know what his schedule is so I could book a cruise to sail again with this guy. He is " Mr. Personality".

I'm sure Copper10-8 or someone will be able to give more exacting detail. I just did a google search for him and came up with 2 results 1. is at Richwmn's web site which just does his photo and bios http://www.wa70.com/hal/consen.html and the other is a review that was last done in Feb 08 and has him as the Captain of the Statendam.

Joanie

[Y's Owl]

As you can see, I have been on three different HAL ships and all three ships were wonderful and we had a great time. I loved the HUGE cabins we had on the old Rotterdam. And I liked the public areas and dining facilites of the Maasdam and Volendam. Of the three ships, I liked the Maasdam best because there were fewer passengers competing for a similar number of deck chairs by the pool. It's going to be interesting to see how the Maasdam has held up these past 13 years since I was last on her.

[rotaryscotty]

How nice to find a thread who's visitors are all friendly and helpful.:rolleyes:

Whatever you do, don't bring up dress code or smoking.:eek:

We will be on the Oosterdam November 21st.:o

[IRL_Joanie]

How nice to find a thread who's visitors are all friendly and helpful.:rolleyes:

Whatever you do, don't bring up dress code or smoking.:eek:

We will be on the Oosterdam November 21st.:o


LOL so you brought it up?? :D:D

You will love the Oosterdam!! She was our 1st DAM ship but will definitely not be our last one:D

Joanie

[pt-cruiser]

This sure is the place to get answers! I've been all over these boards recently because we are booked on a B2B on the Noordam starting 12/28. Somewhere on here, I think I remember reading something about balconies on higher decks looking down on to lower deck balconies on some of the HAL ships. Of course, now I can't find that thread again. Does anyone know if that is the case? If so, on what ships? We are looking at a TA in April on Westerdam. Thanks

[IRL_Joanie]

This sure is the place to get answers! I've been all over these boards recently because we are booked on a B2B on the Noordam starting 12/28. Somewhere on here, I think I remember reading something about balconies on higher decks looking down on to lower deck balconies on some of the HAL ships. Of course, now I can't find that thread again. Does anyone know if that is the case? If so, on what ships? We are looking at a TA in April on Westerdam. Thanks


Hi ptcruiser

Not trying to promote the HAL Stateroom/Cabins web site here, BUT if you go to my main page you can see each of the HAL ships, with their back ends showing. With the back ends showing, you can get a general idea of which ships and/or their decks will have an over hang, which ships you'll be able to look down into the next deck down etc.... http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/

Hope this helps?

Joanie

[DrFUN]

Hi ptcruiser

Not trying to promote the HAL Stateroom/Cabins web site here, BUT if you go to my main page you can see each of the HAL ships, with their back ends showing. With the back ends showing, you can get a general idea of which ships and/or their decks will have an over hang, which ships you'll be able to look down into the next deck down etc.... http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/

Hope this helps?

Joanie

WOW!! This is fantastic!

Thanks so much, dear Joanie.

Appreciatively,
Mary-Lou

[IRL_Joanie]

WOW!! This is fantastic!

Thanks so much, dear Joanie.

Appreciatively,
Mary-Lou

Very happy to help Mary-Lou:)

[pt-cruiser]

Wow! Great Site. Thanks so much for your help.

[Copper10-8]

Joan Jett;) Good job on your stateroom site! First time I have been able to look at it in depth. Gotta get you some pics! Where are the Blackhearts?:cool:

[IRL_Joanie]

Joan Jett;) Good job on your stateroom site! First time I have been able to look at it in depth. Gotta get you some pics! Where are the Blackhearts?:cool:


Thank you sir!

I am definitely looking forward to your photos!!! If you have a URL, I can go and grab photos from there???

The Black Hearts are with the Real Joan Jett, who is hubby's niece. I, on the other hand may not have her money, but do have a black heart:D Or so hubby tells me:D:D

Joanie

[CrispyRice]

Thanks for the informative thread! I recently returned from first cruise in over 10 years. We cruised on RCL and it was nice, but I'm thinking we'll try either HAL or Celebrity next. All we really want is an old-fashioned ship with a nice, quiet promenade deck that will take us all the way around, LOL.

And extra thanks, Copper10-8, for the history of what happened to the Rotterdam V. I cruised to Alaska with her in 1988 and have been wondering where she ended up. I'll have to visit her next time I'm in Rotterdam.

[JWJs]

Not quite, there's a few corrections to be made:

S-class. This stands for the first ship in the class (Statendam)
Statendam, Maasdam, Ryndam, Veendam
R-class stands for the first ship in that class (Rotterdam)
Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Volendam, Zaandam
Vista class. These ships are named for the directions on a map.
Zuiderdam (south), Oosterdam (west), Westerdam (west), Noordam (north).
Signature class. Eurodam (and soon) Nieuw Amsterdam
Prinsendam---a class all it's own.

Thanks Ruth. Very useful information. One of the officers was explaining this at our Meet and Greet on the 12/21 Statendam and, being so new to HAL, all I remembered was that some ships are named for the directions on a map. Now I have it all down pat thanks to your post!

[RSWBADGER]

Hi ptcruiser

Not trying to promote the HAL Stateroom/Cabins web site here, BUT if you go to my main page you can see each of the HAL ships, with their back ends showing. With the back ends showing, you can get a general idea of which ships and/or their decks will have an over hang, which ships you'll be able to look down into the next deck down etc.... http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/

Hope this helps?

Joanie

That's a DAM great website. :D

We just booked our first HAL cruise on the Eurodam for November 20, 2010 and just found your site. We are very excited to try HAL.

[HNLGAL]

This was a great sticky. Even I learned a few things by reading them. I like all the Dam ships that I have been on especially the following three:
Statendam, Rotterdam, Volendam.

FYI I have been on all the "S" class ships, in the "R" I have been on the Rotterdam and Volendam. Hopefully I will soon be on the Zaandam. I have been on two VISTA ships so far" The Zuiderdam and the OOSTERDAM. I have been on two ships no longer in service: Nieuw Amsterdam and the old Westerdam ( Originally the Homeric.)

I know it has been a while since you posted the above but I am now faced with trying to choose - TODAY - between the Statendam or the Rynedam and wondered if you - or anyone else - could give me some direction. I am booking the 11 day Alaska repositioning cruise in Sept 2010, from Vancouver ending in San Diego. In the Rynedam I have Suite S016 and on the Statendam I have S024, both are on the Port side, which worried me a bit as we planned to spend a lot of time in our cabin looking at the views and I worried that Port side may not have enough. Also, heard that Port side was allowed to smoke on their verandahs which I didn't like. Any opinions out there please??? Thank you so much!

[pms4104]

I know it has been a while since you posted the above but I am now faced with trying to choose - TODAY - between the Statendam or the Rynedam and wondered if you - or anyone else - could give me some direction. I am booking the 11 day Alaska repositioning cruise in Sept 2010, from Vancouver ending in San Diego. In the Rynedam I have Suite S016 and on the Statendam I have S024, both are on the Port side, which worried me a bit as we planned to spend a lot of time in our cabin looking at the views and I worried that Port side may not have enough. Also, heard that Port side was allowed to smoke on their verandahs which I didn't like. Any opinions out there please??? Thank you so much!
Currently, smoking is permitted in all staterooms and on all private verandahs regardless of port vs. starboard location.

[HNLGAL]

Hi ptcruiser

Not trying to promote the HAL Stateroom/Cabins web site here, BUT if you go to my main page you can see each of the HAL ships, with their back ends showing. With the back ends showing, you can get a general idea of which ships and/or their decks will have an over hang, which ships you'll be able to look down into the next deck down etc.... http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/

Hope this helps?

Joanie
Hi Joanie,
HNLGAL again! Well, we finally settled on a cruise/ship mainly thanks to DBA amongst a few others.... Thanks to you too for your help on that. Now I have a quick question, we are booked in S024 which, by counting the cabins, appears to be Port side, fourth from the end of DVS cabins. I see there is that overhang above us... My question is, do you think that is a factor - or not - when we are doing an Alaska cruise? I can see that being a factor on a sun-bathing type cruise, but does it matter on an Alaskan cruise?
AND... if it does, do you know if we can still waitlist for another cabin in our category?
Also on Celebrity and Carnival they (pre)sell beverage/wine/soda packages or flights. A smattering of what they offer at a slightly discounted rate. Does HAL do that too or do we just have to order A La Carte so to speak?
Finally, is there any benefit to buying HAL's shore excursion for the White Pass Rail trip or the Juneau Tram trip? These seem to be the two trips that offer the most scenic views, which is really what we want. We cannot afford, nor do we want to traipse all over the place and I assume HAL's pricing would be costlier.
Thanks again Joanie - or anyone else who responds...
HNLGAL

[Krazy Kruizers]

024 is about 1 or 2 cabins away from the overhang. So that should not be a problem.

HAL does have a wine card, cocktail and coffee. They were to have been phased out some time ago. So no one knows exactly when they will be gone. You save a little on the cards. I checked and they are still available on HAL's website and should you buy one -- they will have to honor it. Those cards are to be replaced by new cards -- $50 and $100 gift cards -- which can be used to buy wine, cocktails, coffees in the Exploration's Cafe -- but there is no savings -- they just deduct the price on your card. Some TA's are giving these as gifts.

We used to get the wine cards, but when I heard that HAL had changed the brand of house wines that are the only ones included in the card, we waited until we were on the ship and tried the new brand -- Coastal Vintners. To us it was bitter tasting. Thus I always suggest people try the house wines before making a decision.

[HNLGAL]

024 is about 1 or 2 cabins away from the overhang. So that should not be a problem.

HAL does have a wine card, cocktail and coffee. They were to have been phased out some time ago. So no one knows exactly when they will be gone. You save a little on the cards. I checked and they are still available on HAL's website and should you buy one -- they will have to honor it. Those cards are to be replaced by new cards -- $50 and $100 gift cards -- which can be used to buy wine, cocktails, coffees in the Exploration's Cafe -- but there is no savings -- they just deduct the price on your card. Some TA's are giving these as gifts.

We used to get the wine cards, but when I heard that HAL had changed the brand of house wines that are the only ones included in the card, we waited until we were on the ship and tried the new brand -- Coastal Vintners. To us it was bitter tasting. Thus I always suggest people try the house wines before making a decision.

So the wine cards are for only one specific wine (their brand)? I like the way Carnival does it better when they offer three flights of wines at varying prices, all of which offer some reds, some whites and a whole slew of wines! I particularly liked it because they featured some of my favourite US wines - La Crema, Kendall Jackson Reserve etc. Do they have a wine list anywhere?? Otherwise I guess I will just have to bring my own.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Yes -- the wine card is only for the house brand of wine -- which right now is Coastal Vintners.

I used to post the wine list which was available on all the ships -- I had copied it not too long ago as we had a ton of unexpected sea days on our cruise when our Mexican ports were cancelled last year. They were still in effect through November. But not too long ago I posted the list and was informed that my list was antiquated.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Something you might consider -- you can take as much wine and champagne on board as you wish for consumption in your cabin. There is no limit. Also there is no corkage fee for wine/champagne consumed in your cabin.

But if you want to take a bottle to the dining room or a lounge -- there is an $18 per bottle corkage fee.

[HNLGAL]

Yes -- the wine card is only for the house brand of wine -- which right now is Coastal Vintners.

I used to post the wine list which was available on all the ships -- I had copied it not too long ago as we had a ton of unexpected sea days on our cruise when our Mexican ports were cancelled last year. They were still in effect through November. But not too long ago I posted the list and was informed that my list was antiquated.


Hi KK,
If you want, I can send you the Spirit and the Wine/Champagne list. They were just sent to me by Ship Services. The Wine/Champagne list also includes the flights or Navigator packages they offer. If you send me an email I will forward them to you if you are interested. I tried to attach them to this, but it says they are too big.
HNLGAL.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Hi HNLGAL

One thing I don't do -- e-mails.

Whenever I get that message that something is too long. I just cut and paste so much in separate posts.

I know that everyone here would be interested in the new wine/champagne lists. Also the Navigator packages keep changing every couple of years.

[HNLGAL]

Hi HNLGAL

One thing I don't do -- e-mails.

Whenever I get that message that something is too long. I just cut and paste so much in separate posts.

I know that everyone here would be interested in the new wine/champagne lists. Also the Navigator packages keep changing every couple of years.

I assume that they are the same for all ships but not sure... Per KK's request I am cutting and pasting so I hope they come out ok.

Bon Voyage Champagne $21.85
Bon Voyage White Wine $21.85
Bon Voyage Red Wine "
HAL Commemorative Chardonnay 33.35
HAL Commemorative Cabernet Sauvignon "
3-Bottle Wine Navigator, Navigator’s Choice 102.35
5-Bottle Wine Navigator, Navigator’s Choice 171.35
7-Bottle Wine Navigator, Navigator’s Choice 228.85
3-Bottle Wine Navigator, Admiral’s Choice 135.70
5-Bottle Wine Navigator, Admiral’s Choice 228.85
7-Bottle Wine Navigator, Admiral’s Choice 309.35
Champagne, Mumm Cordon Rouge, Brut, France 67.85
Champagne, Veuve Cliquot Yellow Label 102.35
Champagne, Cuvee Dom Perignon, Brut, France 228.85
Beringer Napa Valley Chardonnay 51.75
Ferrari-Carano Alexander Valley Chardonnay 73.35
Ruffino Pinot Grigio 44.85
Blackstone Sauvignon Blanc 40.25
Villa Maria Sauvignon Blanc, Marlborough 51.75
Beringer White Zinfandel 33.35
Beringer Founder’s Estate Cabernet Sauvignon 44.85
Silverado Cabernet Sauvignon 90.85
Northstar Merlot, Walla Walla, WA 102.35
Robert Mondavi Private Selection Merlot 42.55
Rosemount Estate Shiraz 44.85
Cline Cellars Zinfandel 40.25
Sokol Blosser Willamette Valley Pinot Noir 79.35
Banfi Brunello di Montalcino 134.20

Prices are inclusive of hotel service charge and
delivery fees. Taxes and prices may vary depending on port of embarkation.
Prices are subject to change without notice. A 15% Service Charge on all
beverage items and packages with beverages is included.


Wines By The Glass



Champagne & Sparkling Wines by the Glass


Chase Limogère BRut, CA $6.00
Crisp and light, with toasty pear and
vanilla aromas and flavors
Mumm Cordon Rouge Brut, France $12.00
The bubbles are rich on the palate with fresh
fruit and caramel and an intensified finish
Veuve Clicquot Yellow Label, France $14.50
Reconciles two opposing factors: forcefulness
and finesse - holding them in perfect balance

Domaine Chandon classic brut, CA $9.50
Complex apple and pear accented by citrus
spice over notes of almond and caramel



White Wines by the Glass


TWIN OAKS Woodbridge White Zinfandel, CA $5.50
Ripe red apple and fresh strawberry notes
Santa Carolina Chardonnay, Chile $4.50
Tropical flavors of pineapple, melon and bananas
Alice White Chardonnay, AUS $6.00
Green apple and roasted nuts with tropical fruit
Chateau Ste Michelle Riesling WA $6.00

Juicy peach, ripe pear with subtle mineral notes
Rosemount Estate Chardonnay, AUS $7.00
Ripe tropical flavors folded into a creamy backdrop
Ruffino Pinot Grigio, ITALY $8.00
Very fragrant, elegant and well structured
Blackstone Sauvignon Blanc, CA $7.00
Guava, lemon grass and fresh passion fruit
Kenwood Sauvignon Blanc, CA $7.50
Dry and crisp with a grassy herbaceousness
Argyle Reserve Chardonnay, OR $16.00
Intense fruit characters and tropical aromas


Red Wines by the Glass


TWIN OAKS Woodbridge Cabernet Sauvignon, CA $6.00
Rich dark fruit, cocoa with a hint of oak
Alice White Shiraz, AUS $6.00
Deep, rich, ruby-red color with plums and berries
Robert Mondavi PRIVATE SELECTION Merlot.CA $7.50
Waves of blackberry, black plum and huckleberry
Rosemount Estate Shiraz, AUS $8.00
Ripe blackberry fruit flavors and a long rich finish

Wolf Blass Cabernet Sauvignon, AUS $9.00
Attractive bouquet of red berry fruits, spice and mint
Guenoc Cabernet Sauvignon, CA $7.00
Aromatic and spicy with flavors of berries and cassis
Meridian Pinot Noir, CA $7.50
Bing cherry with hints of strawberry, roses and violets
Beringer Founders' Estate Cabernet Sauvignon, CA $8.00
Bursts with cassis, black fruit and sweet brown spice
Columbia Crest Grand Estates Merlot, WA $9.50
Briary hints of oak, mahogany with rich texture


Special Wine Offers


BOTTLE

Ruffino Pinot Grigio, italy $39
Very fragrant, elegant and well structured
HEDGES RED mountain THREE VINEYARDS, $69
WASHINGTON STATE
Soft fruit flavors with subtle hints of oak


Wine Packages

Interesting selection of wines assembled into unique packages for your enjoyment.



Our Navigator’s Choice


Robert Mondavi Johannisberg Riesling, California
Monkey Bay Chardonnay, New Zealand
Caliterra Chardonnay, Chile
Danzante Pinot Grigio, Italy
Blackstone Sauvignon Blanc, California
Sylvester Kiara Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, California
Three Blind Moose Cabernet Sauvignon, California
Labouré-Roi Pinot Noir, France
Veramonte Merlot, Chile
Ravenswood Zinfandel, California
Rèmole Frescobaldi, Italy
Twin Fin Shiraz, California
choice of 3 bottles $ 89
choice of 5 bottles $149
choice of 7 bottles $199

Our Admiral’s Choice

Four Emus Chardonnay, Australia
Gewürztraminer Columbia Winery, Washington State
Silverado Sauvignon Blanc, California
Labouré-Roi Macon Villages, France
Franciscan Chardonnay, California
Estancia Pinot Grigio, California
Spellbound Cabernet Sauvignon, California
Markwest Pinot Noir, California
Capolan Merlot, California
Chianti Castiglioni Frescobaldi, Italy
Blackstone Syrah, California
Tintara Cabernet Sauvignon, Australia
choice of 3 bottles $118
choice of 5 bottles $199
choice of 7 bottles $269


Champagne & Sparkling Wines By The Bottle


CHASE LIMOGèRE BRUT, CA $22
Crisp and light, with toasty pear and
vanilla aromas and flavors
Domaine Chandon Classic Brut, CA $47
Complex apple and pear accented by citrus
spice over notes of almond and caramel
Mumm Cordon Rouge Brut, France $59
The bubbles are rich on the palate with fresh
fruit and caramel and an intensified finish
Möet & Chandon Brut Imperial, France $89
Dry and classic with a discreet finish

Veuve Cliquot Yellow Label Brut, FR $89
Delicate, powerful and elegant cuvee
Taittinger Cuvee Prestige Rose Brut, FR $99
Delicate champagne with flavors of fresh fruit
and honey
Moet & Chandon DOM PÉRIGNON BRUT, FR $199
Comes alive in a light, playful spiral, with touches of angelica, coconut, and cinnamon


White Wines by the Bottle


Kreusch Piesporter Riesling Spätlese, Germany $25
Juicy apricots and tangerines, tapered dry finish

Sokol Blosser Pinot Gris, Oregon $37
Creamy lushness interacts with apple, pear and spice

Beringer Pinot Grigio, California $25
Juicy white peaches and citrus with a flinty-minerality

Ruffino Pinot Grigio, Italy $39
Very fragrant, elegant and well structured

Blackstone Sauvignon Blanc, California $35
Guava, lemon grass and fresh passion fruit

Silverado Sauvignon Blanc, CA $49
Bright, brilliant green yellow with aromas of mineral

Kenwood Sauvignon Blanc, California $37
Dry and crisp with a grassy herbaceousness

Villa Maria Sauvignon Blanc, New ZealanD $45
Ripe gooseberry, melon and exotic herbal aromas

Michel Redde Pouilly FumÉ, France $59
Highly expressive nose and a mouth-smacking finish

Hedges CMS White, WA $49
Spicy aromatics and structured mineral flavors

Pine Ridge Chenin Blanc & Viognier, California $45
Pear and peach, touch of lychee and grapefruit

MarquÉs De CÁceres Rioja, Spain $29
Delicious flavors of pears and apples

Chateau Ste Michelle Riesling, WA $29
Juicy peach, ripe pear with subtle mineral notes

Robert Mondavi FumÉ Blanc, California $35
Fresh melon and pear enlivened with sweet orange

Caliterra Sauvignon Blanc, Chile $25
Floral notes mingled with white peaches and herbs

LabourÉ-Roi Pouilly FuissÉ, France $54
Collage of white fruits flavors, lively floral undertones

Santa Carolina Chardonnay, Chile $22
Tropical flavors of pineapple, melon and bananas

Alice White Chardonnay, Australia $27
Green apple and roasted nuts with tropical fruit

GeorgeS Duboeuf Macon-Villages, France $35
Vibrant fruits and minerals, gently touched by oak

Footprint Chardonnay, South Africa $29
Richly textured flavors of apples and citrus

MonkeyBay Chardonay, New Zealand $37
Lots of citrus, with nice under note of peach

Rosemount Estate Chardonnay, Australia $35
Ripe tropical flavors folded into a creamy backdrop

Caliterra Chardonnay, Chile $29
Tropical aroma of pineapple balanced by apple and citrus

Domaine Laroche Chablis, France $49
Green apple with a crisp and stony polish

Louis Jadot Puligny-Montrachet, France $89
Elegant, with hazelnuts, acacia and violets

Beringer Chardonnay, California $45
Tropical fruit and pineapple flavors

Franciscan Chardonnay, California $47
Lively and lengthy on the palate with a great body

Merryvale Starmont Chardonnay, California $59
Ripe peach and pear with a hint of vanilla and spice

Lanzerac Chardonnay, South Africa $65
Citrus overlaid with clove, butterscotch and vanilla

Ferrari-Carano Chardonnay, California $69
Notes of hazelnut, oak, pineapple and peach

Argyle Reserve Chardonnay, Oregon $69
Intense fruit characters and tropical aromas

Conundrum, California $39
Peach, apricot, green melon and pear


Red Wines by the Bottle


Castle Rock Cuvée Pinot Noir, California $37
Elegant and silky with black cherry, plum and spice
Meridian Pinot Noir, California $37
Bing cherry with hints of strawberry, roses and violets
Sokol Blosser Pinot Noir, Oregon $69
Black cherry and raspberry with mocha and oak
Laboure-roi Pommard, FR $69
Powerful scents of black currant, musk and liquorice
GeorgeS Duboeuf Beaujolais Villages, France $25
Bouncy black cherry, plush plum and spice notes
Villa Fiorita Barbera D'Asti Superiore, Italy $54
Persistent and intense, yet warm and harmonic
Antinori Santa Cristina Sangiovese, Italy $29
Intensely fruity aromas with soft and sweet tannins
Perrin Reserve Cotes-Du-Rhone, France $39
Rich and jammy fruit with peppery spice
Les Closiers Chateauneuf-Du-Pape, France $59
Complex with baked cherries and lingering spice
Marques De Caceres Rioja, Spain $29
Bouquet of ripe red fruit with a delicate depth of oak
Arboleda Carmenère, Chile $49
Dark berries with plums, dark cherries and violets
Domaine De La Serre Cailloux, FRANCE $65
Strawberry preserves, blackberry fruit and black pepper
Umkhulu akira Cabernet Pinotage, South Africa $59
Bold ripe plum, blackcurrant and blackberry
Niebaum-Coppola Claret, California $49
Succulent wild berry, plum and anise flavors
Rosemount Estate Shiraz, Australia $39
Ripe blackberry fruit flavors and a long rich finish
Marquee Shiraz, Australia $54
Rich berries with black pepper and earthy undertones
Footprint Shiraz, South Africa $29
Ripe, spicy dark fruits dominate this full flavored red
Alice White Shiraz, Australia $27
Deep, rich, ruby-red color with plums and berries
Cline Cellars Zinfandel, California $35
Intense dusty wild berry flavors and peppery tannins
Trentadue Old Patch Red, California $49
Zin blend with peppery black cherry and strawberry
Columbia Crest Grand Estates Merlot$45
Deep cherries and raspberry characters with vanilla
Beringer Stone Cellars Merlot, California $27
Ripe strawberry and cherry flavors with a hint of spice
Robert Mondavi Merlot, California $37
Waves of blackberry, black plum and huckleberry
Hedges Red Mountain Three Vineyards, WA $69
Soft fruit flavors with subtle hints of oak
Columbia Crest Grand Estates Cabernet Sauvignon WA $45
Briary hints of oak, mahogany with rich texture
Twin OaksWoodbridge Cabernet Sauvignon, CA $27
Rich dark fruit, cocoa with a hint of oak
Northstar Merlot, WA $89
Charismatic and seductive, displaying cherry and fig
Spellbound Petite Sirah, CA $45
Fresh berries, mocha and coffee dance on your palate
Beringer Founders’ Estate Cabernet Sauvignon, CA $39
Bursts with cassis, black fruit and sweet brown spice
Guenoc Cabernet Sauvignon,, CA $35
Aromatic and spicy with flavors of berries and cassis
Wolf Blass Cabernet Sauvignon, Australia $42
Attractive bouquet of red berry fruits, spice and mint
Franciscan Magnificat, CA $79
Rich black cherry, plum, chocolate, cedar and spice
Castello Banfi Brunello Di Montalcino, Italy $108
Soft and velvety with licorice, spices and cherry notes
Silverado Cabernet Sauvignon, California $79
Dark cherry, round supple fruit and silky tannins


A 15% service charge will automatically be added to your bar and beverage purchases.

A $15 corkage fee applies for wines that are not part of the Holland America wine selection
(I saw somewhere else that it was $18 corkage, so don't know for sure.)

Scotch/Whiskey

Seagrams 7
$ 29.90
Seagrams VO
$ 29.90
Cutty Sark
$ 32.20
Canadian Club
$ 32.20
Jim Beam
$ 34.50
Johnnie Walker Red
$ 36.80
J&B Rare
$ 36.80
Ballentine's
$ 40.25
Crown Royal
$ 42.55
Jameson Irish
$ 42.55
Dewars
$ 48.30
Jack Daniels
$ 55.20
Chivas Regal 12 yrs
$ 66.70
Johnnie Walker Black
$ 77.05
Cognac

Hennessy VS
$ 93.15
Remy Martin VSOP
$ 97.75
Remy Martin XO
$ 225.40
Gin

Beefeater
$ 32.20
Tanqueray
$ 41.40
Bombay Sapphire
$ 42.55
Liqueurs

Southern Comfort
$ 36.80
Kahlua
$ 36.80
Bailey's Irish Cream
$ 46.00
Sambuca - Opal Nera
$ 47.15
Tia Maria
$ 49.45
Amaretto
$ 51.75
Cointreau
$ 55.20
Drambuie
$ 58.65
Grand Marnier
$ 74.75
Vodka

Smirnoff
$ 27.60
Skyy Vodka
$ 28.75
Finlandia
$ 29.90
Stolichnaya
$ 29.90
Absolut
$ 32.20
Absolut Citron
$ 32.20
Tanqueray Sterling
$ 35.65
Grey Goose
$ 69.00
Chopin
$ 70.15
Belvedere
$ 70.15
Rum

Myers
$ 32.20
Bacardi Gold
$ 34.50
Bacardi White
$ 35.65
Sherry

Sherry Harvey's Medium
$ 57.50
Tio Pepe
$ 57.50
Tequila

Jose Cuervo Gold
$ 34.50


THESE ARE ALL LISTED AS 2009-2010 PRICES SOO....

[Krazy Kruizers]

Thank you very much!!

You did an excellent job.

I have the Alcohol list that you can order for the cabins -- that hasn't changed.

Yes -- the corkage fee is now $18 per bottle -- that went up quite some time ago.

I looked at the prices of some of the wines we have ordered in the past -- they haven't changed.

Again-- Thank you!!

[HNLGAL]

Thank you very much!!

You did an excellent job.

I have the Alcohol list that you can order for the cabins -- that hasn't changed.

Yes -- the corkage fee is now $18 per bottle -- that went up quite some time ago.

I looked at the prices of some of the wines we have ordered in the past -- they haven't changed.

Again-- Thank you!!

So KK are you saying they have yet another alcohol list?? Would you mind forwarding to me?
Thank you!

[Krazy Kruizers]

Hi HNLGAL

No -- I am just saying that on the new lists you provided a couple of the wines we have ordered in the past are still on the list -- and at the price we paid -- which is good for us.

We are not wine drinkers but will ocassionally a bottle on formal nights.

Thanks again for your lists.

[NCTribeFan]

Hi all. Great thread!

I'm Platinum on Carnival, but due to my love of Half Moon Cay (just returned from my 4th cruise there), I'm thinking about HAL, since they have many more stops there.

This thread has helped me with the ship classes, but is there one that will do the same for me with the cabin classes?

I've been looking at deck plans (I like to use cruisedeckplans and their drag-and-drop function so you can see whether a particular cabin really is right over a lounge or under the galley).

But I have no idea about the actual cabins within a class. I'll probably be solo, so am looking for a cheap inside, but maybe not. I see the generic description of insides on Westerdam as being from 170 to 207 sq ft, but cannot tell from the deck plans which are smaller and which are larger. Some look to be square; others like typical rectangular cabins. So confusing (I'm used to Carnival cabins which have all been 185 sq feet on the ships I've sailed; from insides to OV to balcony cabins).

If there is no dedicated thread for cabin classes, perhaps I'll try a separate thread, or do some searching on the Cabin Selection Tips board.

Oh, on the Carnival board, there are several threads dedicated to particular ships, like "All Things Miracle" and "All Things Fascination." I haven't seen any similar threads for the Dam ships. Did I just miss them? That might be the best place for advice about cabins and locations on a particular ship.

Thanks!

[like friends]

In December we were on the eurodam and had a wonderful time, the food and service were great!!!
A couple years ago we were on the Westerdam, the food and service were fair, said we would not go back on that ship.
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE SERVICE AND FOOD HAVE CHANGED, AND WOULD BE MORE COMPARABLE TO THE EURODAM. LOOKING FOR DECEMBER CRUISE, BUT EURODAM HAS SAME PLACES WE JUST WENT TO. LOOKING AT SOUTHERN, BEEN, EAST & WEST.
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON WESTERDAM RECENTLY AND WHO CAN COMPARE SHIPS SERVICE AND FOOD SERVICE.

LOVED HALF MOON CAY AND LOOKING FOR CRUISE TO STOP THERE, SOME OUT OF TAMPA DON'T
THANKS!!!!

[ludynju]

need info on a hani room on rotterdam how big and locations

[Papillon]

We had booked a guaranteed obstructed view on the Zuiderdam for our July 10th sailing to Alaska.

we have been assigned cabin 4103 on the upper promenade. Is it true that the windows are floor to ceiling?

any detail on this type of cabins would be appreaciated

thanks

[IRL_Joanie]

need info on a hani room on rotterdam how big and locations

Lanai Stateroom phots and descriptions here: http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Rotterdam/index.html

Joanie

[IRL_Joanie]

We had booked a guaranteed obstructed view on the Zuiderdam for our July 10th sailing to Alaska.

we have been assigned cabin 4103 on the upper promenade. Is it true that the windows are floor to ceiling?

any detail on this type of cabins would be appreaciated

thanks

Descriptions and photos here: http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Zuiderdam/index.html

Joanie

[shellyh]

We are considering the Noordam Transatlantic Oct. 18 and are wondering if anyone who has sailed on her recently could give a short rundown on her condition at this point and any other pertinent info you may have.
Thanks
Shelly

[KirkNC]

We are considering the Noordam Transatlantic Oct. 18 and are wondering if anyone who has sailed on her recently could give a short rundown on her condition at this point and any other pertinent info you may have.
Thanks
Shelly

We sailed on her in July, she is in great shape having just come out of a three week drydock. The crew was the best we have ever had. Any specific questions I would be glad to try and answer.

Kirk

[KirkNC]

Great outline, I find it surprising that HAL does not have similar info on their website. They talk about the ships individually but not a comparison/contrast.

Kirk

[bird2sea]

I just wish this type information was available for all the companies. It is so confusing to me as to what ship belongs to what parent company and the different sizes each one has. This information for HAL is great thank you for putting it together.

[spacepotatoes]

Thanks so much for this thread! It has to be one of the most useful threads I've seen on Cruise Critic so far. DH and I considering the Zuiderdam and the
Volendam, so this thread has been really helpful in differentiating between them and learning about HAL.

[debbeck]

i don't see the Eurodam

[Mary Ellen]

i don't see the EurodamDid you do a 'search' on this thread? The information is here.

[luvscorgis]

Thank you all for terrific information about HAL. We are considering cruising on Volendam, Kobe, Japan to Vancouver, Canada next year because the itinerary suits us. We have cruised on Celebrity, Princess, and NCL but never on HAL and this information will really help us make a decision.

luvscorgis

[lindylee0803]

We are sailing on the Eurodam - since it is not listed your great synopsis, I am assuming it one of the two newer ones you mentioned in the Signature Class (?)

[RuthC]

We are sailing on the Eurodam - since it is not listed your great synopsis, I am assuming it one of the two newer ones you mentioned in the Signature Class (?)
That's correct. The Eurodam is the first of the Signature Class ships, along with it's younger sister the Nieuw Amsterdam.
Essentially, they could be viewed as "Vista.2", as the deckplan is almost the same. There's the addition of a deck of cabins near the Crow's Nest, the Tamarind Restaurant, and a few other changes from the Vista ships.

[catkoe1]

Hi
I would love to hear all input and thoughts from those of you that have sailed in the Lanai category cabins. Were they private enough? Was there a lot of traffic outside of your doors? Do you prefer lanai cabin or verandah cabin?
Thanks for helping me make my decision!

[Cruizer Bill]

I don't see any more new ships planned for the HAL fleet. Are they content with what they have, no plans for more growth?

[vjm]

Lanai Stateroom phots and descriptions here: http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Rotterdam/index.html

Joanie

Hi Joanie,

We just got our cabin assignment for the Veendam A219 leaving for a 16 cruise around the horn in South America. Looks to me like it is an aft cabin, wondering if you have some pictures or info on these cabins. I have never stayed in the aft always a balcony. Thanks Vicki 14

14 days and counting!!:D

[jlad]

Is there a difference in the size of the Deluxe Verandah Ocean-view staterooms and which ones are the biggest and best view? i heard that the VC rooms were better than the VF roms on the Verandah floor -is that true?

[ilovesushi]

Very nice descriptive service. The Nieuw Amsterdam was omitted. What can you tell us about that ship?

[RuthC]

Very nice descriptive service. The Nieuw Amsterdam was omitted. What can you tell us about that ship?
The Nieuw Amsterdam didn't exist when this thread was started. It's essentially the same as the Eurodam; I can't remember if that existed when this thread was started.

Both ships are the Signature class, which is very similar to the Vista ships. Think of them as Vista 2.0. They have an additional deck of cabins, a quiet Retreat area (for a fee), and the Tamarind Restaurant and Silk Den lounge.

[bmiers]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6201/6107985922_fba6ace6ed.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blmiers2/6107985922/)
Holland America Amsterdam (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blmiers2/6107985922/) by blmiers2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/blmiers2/), on Flickr

Other cruise ships: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blmiers2/sets/72157623557370060/with/6107985922/

[jakkojakko]

I don't see any more new ships planned for the HAL fleet. Are they content with what they have, no plans for more growth?

Last summer I asked the first mate (second in command) this very question. His answer was a promp and certain NO. There are no other ships planned in the future.

[Sutho]

This may be of some interest to Vista class fans, as we know a few Carnival lines have shared the Vista design.

I thought some would be interested in my interior photos of Arcadia (a Vista class)

http://www.pocruises.com/en-au/Community/Images/My-Image-Galleries/Images/?imageGalleryId=19610&userId=279

I beleive this ship was to be a HAL ship originally, it was then slated to become Queen Victoria and at the last minute was transferred to P&O as Arcadia.

I have never been on HAL before, but I am a cruise ship enthusiast and welcome and comments on what you think of my photography of the ship.

[LuckyLoon]

Hi
I would love to hear all input and thoughts from those of you that have sailed in the Lanai category cabins. Were they private enough? Was there a lot of traffic outside of your doors? Do you prefer lanai cabin or verandah cabin?
Thanks for helping me make my decision!


Hello catkoe1,

We were on the Rotterdam in March on a 30 day HI and So.Pacific cruise and had a lanai cabin. The room is the size of an OV cabin with a slider door instead of a window. We had two chaises outside assigned to our cabin. I liked the veranda cabin for the drawer space but the lanai's two exit doors were very convenient. As DH takes naps, I could sit outside and read or take a walk around the promenade without disturbing him whereas with the veranda cabin if I sat on the veranda I would have to disturb DH if I wanted to leave the cabin. DH was very happy with the lanai and said he'd like to get one again.

I ordered a refrigerator which took up the place the stool is normally stored but was nice for storing our wine and water. The lanai view was good, wider than a veranda view. The slider is mirrored so no one can see inside during the day, at night a light on the inside will allow a view into the cabin so you'll want to close the drapes after dark. Being on the promenade wasn't too much of a privacy loss when sitting outside unless you like to sit outside sans clothes.

Hope this helps,

[puli]

What are the dimensions of the angled SS cabins on the Vista class ships?

I am interested in the cabin and veranda sizes as compared to the normal SS suite sizes on deck 8 of the Zuiderdam. For example 8094 versus 8072.

[ski ww]

We enjoy cruising on the smaller ships like the Princendam, and hope to take more cruises on her. We have done short and long cruises on varies ships of the HAL fleet. The main reason we enjoy cruising with HAL is that their ships are smaller and more intimate. The article was very informative and interesting.
Allan & Marlane:D:D

[DrFUN]

What are the dimensions of the angled SS cabins on the Vista class ships?

I am interested in the cabin and veranda sizes as compared to the normal SS suite sizes on deck 8 of the Zuiderdam. For example 8094 versus 8072.

We had the angled SZ on the Oosterdam last month and have booked 8094 and 8099 on some upcoming sailings on the Noordam and Zuiderdam. DH paced it out and figured the little sitting area in the angle to be about 10 square feet EXTRA (as we also checked out a regular SS, which is the same except for that bump-out). It was pleasant for room service breakfast. The balcony is also larger.

However, be aware that while the SZ if fully covered and facing against the wind (so you are totally "protected" unless it's coming broadsides), the two aft-ward SSs face the "wrong way" and are only partially covered because of the way the Lido above curves around a bit differently. On the other hand, the "wrong way" provides a better view of where you're going. ;)

Hope this is helpful!

Best,
Mary-Lou

[puli]

We had the angled SZ on the Oosterdam last month and have booked 8094 and 8099 on some upcoming sailings on the Noordam and Zuiderdam. DH paced it out and figured the little sitting area in the angle to be about 10 square feet EXTRA (as we also checked out a regular SS, which is the same except for that bump-out). It was pleasant for room service breakfast. The balcony is also larger.

However, be aware that while the SZ if fully covered and facing against the wind (so you are totally "protected" unless it's coming broadsides), the two aft-ward SSs face the "wrong way" and are only partially covered because of the way the Lido above curves around a bit differently. On the other hand, the "wrong way" provides a better view of where you're going. ;)

Hope this is helpful!

Best,
Mary-Lou
Thanks for your response. We did decide to take 8094. Hopefully the small balcony section that is not angled will surfice while we are at sea and the larger section will be good for port approaches and dockside relaxing.

[DrFUN]

Thanks for your response. We did decide to take 8094. Hopefully the small balcony section that is not angled will surfice while we are at sea and the larger section will be good for port approaches and dockside relaxing.

So glad the info was helpful! Have a great cruise!

[walterwhite26]

Alot of really good info on this thread thanks guys!