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WeirdEyes
May 24th, 2006, 10:32 AM
Here's an interesting article from MSNBC regarding food addiction. I know that I've been addicted to food in the past and had to overcome it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12934360/

sharonella
May 24th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Here's an interesting article from MSNBC regarding food addiction. I know that I've been addicted to food in the past and had to overcome it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12934360/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12934360/)

WOW! Talk about food for thought! I've often joked that I have an "addictive personality" - I get very "hooked" on certain TV shows (Lost, Stargate) or hobbies (Sudoku, Cruising), but never really applied it to my food problems before - at least not seriously. [Hello! :rolleyes: Cheese? Chocolate?]

I need to reread this (I printed it to take home) and go over the steps to "retrain my brain".

Thanks for the info, Sheila!

Sha

WeirdEyes
May 25th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Sha ~ I thought it was a great article also. I know I'm addicted to chocolate, but not like the lady with the babies in the article. :eek: I do eat it every day, but it is usually the fat-free, sugar-free Jell-o pudding. I can't have "real" chocolate in the house because of the addiction...just like an alcoholic can't have liquor in the house.

mim100
May 25th, 2006, 02:50 PM
wow...Sheila, thanks for that article...reading it really does help to see what I'm doing to myself....it's a wonder I have ANY dopamine receptors left !!! I really need to lay out a plan to start retraining my brain....we've often joked about choca-holics but I won't be taking that lightly in future...it really is no laughing matter....I'll buy some of that choc pudding you mentioned and see if I can "wean" myself off the "real" chocolate....thanks again :)

sharonella
May 25th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Don't know if the chocolate pudding would do it for me. I really LOVE dark chocolate. I've been known to totally ignore any other chocolate & actually have NONE, if dark chocolate wasn't available!

I think I need to get back to letting my BF dole me out a few dark chocolate Hershey's kisses every night & NOT know where he keeps the stash!

I do have the cheese cravings under control. I used to LIVE on mac'n'cheese - a whole box of store brand, with another 1/2 lb of american added! 2,3 4 times a week! :eek: Then, my BF & I got into the habit of splitting, as a "snack" after supper EVERY night, 1 of those 10-12 oz cheese bricks (with or without crackers)! Or splitting a pint of ben & jerry's. No wonder my cholesterol ended up as high as 279 at one point!

Right now, my immediate problem is that I really want that VERY full feeling, no matter what it is I'm eating! My dopamine receptors must be WAY off. Maybe the people who do those 1-day fasts every now & then have it right - reminds you what it feels like to be hungry, so when you eat solid food again, you can appreciate it more, especially if you control the portions more carefully. I don't know.

I'm just hoping finally riding my bike this weekend will have a 2-fold effect - extra calories burned, plus the "rush" from exercising!

& I'm surprised more people aren't chiming in on this thread - although I suppose admitting you might be 'addicted' to certain foods, or just to that "full" feeling, might be very hard for some people!

Sha

mim100
May 25th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Hi Sha...interesting that you prefer the dark chocolate ( which "they" say is less harmful ) and I prefer the milk chocolate...I can actually turn down the dark stuff !! maybe it's not sweet enough for me...lately I've been buying the bulk milk chocolate disks that are used for cooking....I eat a handful of those, which is way less than a chocolate bar, and get my "chocolate fix"...

I tend to grab cheese if I haven't eaten proper meals and get that light-headed feeling...seems that protein really works for me and stops the hungry-feeling for a long time...so maybe the answer is lots and lots of protein ( meat, not cheese), both in meals and as snacks, what do you think?

Would lots of water before and during a meal help with that full feeling?

Not sure why more people aren't jumping in on this thread....maybe you're right and the whole issue of addiction is so scary...

sharonella
May 25th, 2006, 04:44 PM
In hindsight, when I ate more cheese, I was definitely eating less protein from other sources (eating meat requires "real" cooking :rolleyes: - not just heating something on the stove or nuking something). Now that my BF does most of the cooking on the grill, we eat lots of lean chicken, fish & pork. We also grill veggies, baked potatoes, etc. We eat lots more "real" food now, & less prepackaged stuff.

While I still enjoy cheese, I guess I don't "crave" it as much since I do eat more other protein. I've learned to like soy cheese - better for me & I'll snack on a few slices of that when I need something light & quick!

I usually drink lots of water, so I don't think drinking more would be helpful. My chiropractor made a point one time when I mentioned I was having cravings - she said sometimes cravings are your body's way of telling you you're missing something - we just need to figure out WHAT it's craving! I've been lazy in taking my multi vitamins lately & not eating as many veggies - maybe I'm low on anti-oxidants? (Too bad I'm not craving carrots!) Or maybe it's more "emotional" - needing that full feeling?

or maybe more sleep? :confused: I know I'm not getting enough lately. But the dopamine connection - that could be the ticket, too!

more questions than answers!

Sha

mim100
May 25th, 2006, 09:00 PM
I was a vegetarian for many years...got to the point where I couldn't go anywhere near the meat counters in the grocery stores..the smell was so disgusting to me...then I started to crave meat....really crave it...and I figured out that my body wasn't getting what it needed even though I tried to get the protein from beans, rice, etc...so I went back to eating meat..wasn't easy at first but the cravings did go away and I generally felt stronger...

questions are good...they eventually lead to the answers we need...how much sleep are you getting, Sha?

kalamari
May 25th, 2006, 10:23 PM
My own thought is that overeating boils down to a "want versus a need". How many of us ever honestly ask ourselves this question before we over indulge: is it a want or a need. I may want 5 cookies, but do I really NEED 5 cookies and why isn't one good enough?

There are genetic predispositions that make one have a greater propensity to become addicted, and neurotransmitters can provide clues, but in the end, it's the environment that triggers it and the research is pretty consistent on the environment being a main trigger. There's a lot of good empircal research on twin studies and addiction although most of those studies were done for alcoholism, not sure about food but the principle may be the same...Menina

mim100
May 25th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Hi Menina...very good points....I think from an "addict's" point of view, there's no difference between "want" and "need"....when you MUST have chocolate, it's now become a need...just like alcohol or substances are needs...

In a lot of cases ( definitely in my case ) I may go to the cookie jar sincerely intending to eat only one, but one becomes five very quickly...and although I'm remorseful afterwards, it didn't stop me from inhaling those five cookies...the remorse and the questions and the guilt come later...a very nasty, vicious cycle...and my mind says " I'm going to break this cycle " and another part of me says " ok, but let's not waste all this good stuff in the cupboard ...at least enjoy the chocolate first"...and off we go again :(

I often wonder about genetic predisposition and it makes sense that environment would be a main trigger...and there seems to be lots of similarities between food-addiction and alcoholism ..maybe we can apply the same principles and comparisons...some of the posters here have managed to break the cycle so I know there's a way out...taking the right steps is the hardest part !

kalamari
May 26th, 2006, 05:33 AM
Good points for you, but your missing mine...if you stop and THINK "do I want this or really need it?" then you might not eat five cookies.

Read the twin studies in addiction..very convincing.

If you can't stop at one, then you need to learn why your so impuslive.

So why did you need to have five cookies? answer that honestly :)

WeirdEyes
May 26th, 2006, 08:18 AM
Well, I'll just be honest....I just like food. Period. I love the way it tastes, the texture, the smell. If it is something that I love (like chocolate cheesecake) I'll eat it until I'm sick. To me, that's a big problem. I also find that being addicted to food is an emotional thing. Take last night for instance, I was packing for my trip and stressing over this or that and I was just blindly eating. It didn't really matter what it was, just as long as it was food. Thank goodness I was eating low-cal stuff. LOL I find food to be my crutch. That is why I've been trying to work on myself emotionally. It sure has made a difference. I still have my moments, like last night, but they are few and far between.

kalamari
May 26th, 2006, 09:49 AM
My profession is in neuropsychology (something I don't advertise) so I'm used to studying neurochemistry, brains, cogntition, motivation of behavior, etc. Addiction is a big part of what we studied in post grad/doctoral studies.

Nothing wrong with liking food..I love it myself and all it stands for..but I challenge you when you feel like eating more than you should, to just stop and ask yourself, "Do I want this or NEED it". You can't convince me nobody "needs" 5 cookies when they can get by with 1 or 2. You need to come up with a list of convincing "evidence" or reasons why your mind or body needs to have the 5 cookies , and then wait 10 minutes. I am nearly 99% certain you won't want the cookies. It's all based in rational emotive thinking and cogntive behavior.

If you were one of my patients, and didn't make an honest attempt to try this, then I'd tell you that you have no grounds to complain until you have made a reasonable try at this technique :)

I do this myself..yes sometimes I give in, but I ususally find I don't enjoy the binge as much.

Would love to see you try this for an afteroon :)

IndianaCruisers
May 26th, 2006, 09:55 AM
A friend of mine and I have always said that alcoholics can live without alcohol, smokers can live without tobacco, but overeaters CANNOT live with out food.

Not saying that kicking any of these habits is easy, on the contrary, they are all bvery hard to beat.

An alcoholic is always an alcoholic, he/she just doesn't tempt himself/herself by drinking in moderation. This is the first step back to worse stuff.

Whereas, an overeater must tempt himself/herself every day by having to have food to eat to live.

Hope to message of this post is understood.

WeirdEyes
May 26th, 2006, 11:47 AM
Kalamari ~ I'll definitely try it!!

Daniel ~ I understood your post completely and you are right!

sharonella
May 26th, 2006, 11:49 AM
NOW this thread is getting VERY interesting! :D

Menina - It sounds so reasonable - If I could just stop & take a step back to think about whether I wanted or needed the dozen (I think it was only a dozen :rolleyes: ) dark chocolate kisses I ate last night, I probably wouldn't have eaten them, or had more than 1 or 2. But they were there, so I did. I know I didn't "need" them - at least not because I was hungry - I had just eaten a good supper less than an hr before. But it was also more than just "wanting" them. Like it says in the article, I think I need to go back to just not buying anything I can't control my craving for.

I am a reasonably intelligent 48-yr old woman. (At least I think I am.:p ) I've dieted on & off since I've been 16 (2/3 of my life:eek: ). I've read more diet, food & fitness related books & magazines than I can count. I KNOW I don't NEED any cookies, brownies or chocolate AT ALL to keep my body nourished & healthy. I KNOW what I do need - I KNOW what I don't need. It's the actual DOING that somehow gets really difficult, not the KNOWING what to do. Emotional & psychological needs get inexplicably mixed up with physical needs.

I agree with daniel's comment that, because we have to eat SOMETHING, it's that much more difficult to control ourselves, than if we could just STOP. I'm a former smoker. MY BF is a former drinker. We can't give up eating.

Menina - That said, I do respect & appreciate your input & I really do have to find a way to control these cravings.

Sha

mim100
May 26th, 2006, 12:23 PM
I think that when it comes to bingeing/overeating/indulging, the brain/mind is basically shoved to the back seat and the body takes over...

A friend of mine made a conscious effort to take a moment before putting anything in his mouth ...looking at the food and saying "thank you for this food but please take away my desire for it" ....eventually it worked and he's kept the weight off for many years...maybe it's the same principle - letting the mind have a say in what we're about to do...giving the mind just that moment to intervene....I'll wait out the 10 minutes today and see what happens :)

Daniel...excellent point..hadn't thought about it that way before...we can't get away from food !!

mim100
May 26th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Menina ....missed a couple of items in my last post...firstly, can you direct me to those twin studies?

Secondly, your question about why I need to have 5 cookies, not one or two.... in the same way that a small taste of something would not be satisfying or fulfilling ( physically or emotionally ), I find I want/need more of the substance ( cookie, chocolate, whatever ) before I'm "happy" ....I use the word happy because I can't think of anything else more descriptive...and happy isn't it either..maybe it's a saturation point I'm trying to reach...if I have one cookie, my taste buds go on alert, my stomach pleads for more, and I just go for it ....the consequences don't really enter into it until later....I'm not sure there is a logical answer to this question..

sharonella
May 26th, 2006, 12:51 PM
mim - I'm getting about 5-6 hrs sleep "in a row", when I'm not having the 3am night sweats! I fall asleep after 1am & wake up about 7 when my BF gets up. Then I "nap" till MY alarm goes off at 8.

I'm still wide awake until after midnight, but I suppose I should at least be trying to sleep before that. I know that's not enough sleep for me. In fact, a co-worker just told me that it's a good think it's a long weekend, 'cause I look exhausted! I feel exhausted!

Menina - I'd be interested in the twin studies, too!

Sha

Step1
May 26th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Daniel~ Your post made perfect sense. It reminded me of how I can not keep ice cream in the house. It is not allowed in the house, period. Certain foods are a crutch for me and I get a "high" when I eat them. I don't know the last time I had it becasue I don't want it when I am out..I only crave it when I am having a stress moment.

About 6 years ago when I was in college a friend of mine & I would go on a trail rollerblading. It was 7 miles out and 7 miles back. I remember getting back to my house and having something set me off (can't remember now) and I ate the entire Mint Chocolate Chip Edy's ice cream. Something set me off and I sabatoge myself. Then I get upset that I would do that after I worked so hard.

For me it must be all mental because I know it is wrong but I still do it.

Thankfully I have grown from those years and now know how to handle these urges. I was thin during the years of stress eating. That part I don't understand.

I hope this makes sense!!!

Sha~ Hope you can get caught up on some sleep this weekend.

sharonella
May 26th, 2006, 02:41 PM
Thanks, Stephanie - I think I will - there's no TV where I'll be Sat & Sun nite, so I should be in bed well before 12 & I can sleep as late as I want.

And me too - I knew while I was eating the kisses last night I shouldn't be having them - that it was "wrong" - but that wasn't enough to stop me!

Sha

mim100
May 26th, 2006, 05:09 PM
Sha...that lack of sleep is a tough one...until the night sweats ended, I was also sleep-deprived..I know naps aren't going to solve anything but if you can nap ( I can't...end up with headaches and very foggy ) , it might help you get through the day...hope you have a great weekend !

mim100
May 26th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Steph..sabotage is a good word for it....I'm wondering why we do it.....how do you handle those urges now ?

kalamari
May 26th, 2006, 06:01 PM
I just downed a handful of cashews and I know darn well I didn't need them. :)

In the medical model of addiction, one of the hallmarks of alcoholism or drug addiction is tolerance. In other words, it takes four beers to feel a buzz when it used to take one. The only way tolerance can build is by drinking more. Then you have to ask yourself, "why am I drinking more than I used to?". The person has to ask themselves, "ok, am I drinking more because I'm stressed, overwhelmed, sad, etc.". Yes we can live without alcohol, but we can't live without food. (A drunk will deny that , of course). But, the same principle can be applied (back to the impulsivity)

But part of the problem is, we set ourself up for self defeating thinking by almost becoming afraid of food (my opnion). So then we get anxious or stressed out over it, and then because we don't stop and think about what to do differently, we give into the impulsivity and overeat. You can say things like, "you know, I don't have to have 5 cookies now, I can have them tomorrow, at 9pm tonite, or the rest of my life".


It is reasonable to do it, but it takes lots and lots of effort. I have had some patients who went to Overeaters Anonymous and it really helped them. Some didn't go for it, but those tended to be the people that remained in denial and wanted an easier way out, instead of facing a painful reality that they were addicted to food and were using it to only medicate their inner crap.

It's back to "one day at a time". Even if you have three cookies instead of 5, that's progress!

Menina


NOW this thread is getting VERY interesting! :D

Menina - It sounds so reasonable - If I could just stop & take a step back to think about whether I wanted or needed the dozen (I think it was only a dozen :rolleyes: ) dark chocolate kisses I ate last night, I probably wouldn't have eaten them, or had more than 1 or 2. But they were there, so I did. I know I didn't "need" them - at least not because I was hungry - I had just eaten a good supper less than an hr before. But it was also more than just "wanting" them. Like it says in the article, I think I need to go back to just not buying anything I can't control my craving for.

I am a reasonably intelligent 48-yr old woman. (At least I think I am.:p ) I've dieted on & off since I've been 16 (2/3 of my life:eek: ). I've read more diet, food & fitness related books & magazines than I can count. I KNOW I don't NEED any cookies, brownies or chocolate AT ALL to keep my body nourished & healthy. I KNOW what I do need - I KNOW what I don't need. It's the actual DOING that somehow gets really difficult, not the KNOWING what to do. Emotional & psychological needs get inexplicably mixed up with physical needs.

I agree with daniel's comment that, because we have to eat SOMETHING, it's that much more difficult to control ourselves, than if we could just STOP. I'm a former smoker. MY BF is a former drinker. We can't give up eating.

Menina - That said, I do respect & appreciate your input & I really do have to find a way to control these cravings.

Sha

gwhizma
May 28th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Wow! This is an intresting site. It is the first time I have read this board. I feel compelled to share with you. I am an addict. It is in my being. I am a recovering alcoholic with with almost 12 yrs of sobriety, nor have I used any form of mind altering substances. I have not smoked for 9 yrs. Food has always been an issue. As previously posted, you cannot just not have it. I know when i eat that or those cookies I don't need them, but there is something self destructive, that I do it anyway.
I want to thank you all for this board as I know I need help to live with myself. It just took reading some of these threads to get me in the right direction.
Thank you for listening to me.

mim100
May 29th, 2006, 12:47 AM
Hi GWhiz.....that's great news....thanks for sharing :)

kalamari
May 29th, 2006, 08:37 AM
12 years of sobriety is wonderful. There's a reason why the "one day at a time" concept works, even for food.

Was thinking again about the "want versus need" thing. You can think of it this way: a "want" doesn't have a rational explanation a "need" does. Sorry folks, there is still no evidence that says someone "needs" 12 cookies. If you are confusing wants and needs, it's still being impulsive and your not taking enough time to stop and consider the consequences. It's all in how you rationalize it. So what's your rationale why you need 12 cookies?? :)

And yes, I'm this blunt and brutal with my patients at the hospital :)

Menina G.

Wow! This is an intresting site. It is the first time I have read this board. I feel compelled to share with you. I am an addict. It is in my being. I am a recovering alcoholic with with almost 12 yrs of sobriety, nor have I used any form of mind altering substances. I have not smoked for 9 yrs. Food has always been an issue. As previously posted, you cannot just not have it. I know when i eat that or those cookies I don't need them, but there is something self destructive, that I do it anyway.
I want to thank you all for this board as I know I need help to live with myself. It just took reading some of these threads to get me in the right direction.
Thank you for listening to me.

Sea Fan
May 30th, 2006, 12:06 AM
Hi All, Just stumbled on you guys and it was like a lightnening bolt. I am on the computer tonight trying to keep busy and away from the kitchen. I had a totally satisfiying salad for dinner. I know I'm not hungry, well let's just say I don't need more nourishment! Kalamari you really have me thinking, why do I want to go eat more food? I don't have that comforting feeling, you know the satisfaction of eating a bunch of Hershey's Kisses! No I don't need it....And tonight I won't eat it. Okay I have to go and reread the food addict article.

Thanks, Dianne

mim100
May 30th, 2006, 12:19 AM
Hi there Dianne...how goes the long weekend? I've also been thinking a lot about those wants/needs....and took Menina's challenge this weekend to wait ten minutes before I ate something ( ie a snack ) ....it really does get the brain thinking about it...seems that the waiting time does interrupt that grab-a-snack-inhale-it urge...sometimes after the ten minutes I've eaten it but about half the time, I didn't...that's a 50% decrease !!

Memina, I hadn't considering the " one day at a time" concept for food....we could probably tailor that a bit for food and change it to " one hour at a time" :)

sharonella
May 31st, 2006, 11:12 AM
Hey all !

I had a lovely, restful weekend. Came back to busy at work & obviously a busy thread while I was away!

I ate a lot better over the weekend - probably mostly because I was away from junk foods. It just goes to show me, that if I don't keep the "wrong" foods around, that's half the battle for me! (I mean - who binges on apples & bananas?)

Lots more food for thought here! Thanks!

Sha

sweetpea-2
June 21st, 2006, 10:06 AM
Here's an interesting article from MSNBC regarding food addiction. I know that I've been addicted to food in the past and had to overcome it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12934360/

;) interesting....food as I always felt was an addiction just like drugs, alcohol & smoking...hard to kick the habit but it can be done !

WeirdEyes
June 21st, 2006, 01:55 PM
Wow! This is an intresting site. It is the first time I have read this board. I feel compelled to share with you. I am an addict. It is in my being. I am a recovering alcoholic with with almost 12 yrs of sobriety, nor have I used any form of mind altering substances. I have not smoked for 9 yrs. Food has always been an issue. As previously posted, you cannot just not have it. I know when i eat that or those cookies I don't need them, but there is something self destructive, that I do it anyway.
I want to thank you all for this board as I know I need help to live with myself. It just took reading some of these threads to get me in the right direction.
Thank you for listening to me.
Wow! Congratulations!!!! Thanks for sharing.

kalamari
June 21st, 2006, 04:18 PM
Most disagree with me, but food is not the issue...it's our compulsion, and why we think we "have" to have more of something. I work at a large metropolitan hospital, and the other day I noticed how many patients and others were just sorta hanging around in different areas, eating..maybe some of them were truly hungry, but my guess is most of them weren't. I have one patient who has multiple health problems, weighs 300 lbs and "has" to have fried chicken and other stuff that is going to kill him if he doesn't watch out. I told him that he was going to kill himself by eating all that crap with his diabetes, he already lost one foot and he was going to lose the other one. Of course, he got mad, but I told him I was paid to tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear. I also told him that I hope he appreciated the fried chicken enough to lose his life over it.

Of course our stomachs are going to complain if we deny it food..I still think if most of us (including me) asked ourselves WHY we need 10 cookies, or WAITED 10 minutes, then we would either not eat the cookies or eat less of them.

Food is not the enemy, I really believe we set ourselves up for our own failure by how we "think" about food. We are our own enemy. Maybe we all need to become "friends" with food instead of fearing it.

Just my opinion that I'm sure everyone will flame! :O Menina

WeirdEyes
June 21st, 2006, 04:44 PM
No flames from me! I totally agree! Now, I just need to work at only eating when I need to; not when I want to. I still love food though. :o

kalamari
June 21st, 2006, 05:19 PM
Most research on treating anxiety discusses how learning how to cope or face the anxiety is key to treatment..and when we avoid it, we only "reinforce'" the anxiety because it still exists and we haven't "reworked " the meaning of the anxiety to make it work for us, rather than against us.

So another way to apply this to food, is when you are feeling anxious about whether to eat the 10 cookies or not, you do things like wait, deep breathing, or an alternative behavoir..but it goes back to the main question..."do I need this or want this".

Trust me, I stuggle with this like everyone else!

sharonella
June 22nd, 2006, 10:12 AM
Most disagree with me, but food is not the issue...it's our compulsion, and why we think we "have" to have more of something. I work at a large metropolitan hospital, and the other day I noticed how many patients and others were just sorta hanging around in different areas, eating..maybe some of them were truly hungry, but my guess is most of them weren't. I have one patient who has multiple health problems, weighs 300 lbs and "has" to have fried chicken and other stuff that is going to kill him if he doesn't watch out. I told him that he was going to kill himself by eating all that crap with his diabetes, he already lost one foot and he was going to lose the other one. Of course, he got mad, but I told him I was paid to tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear. I also told him that I hope he appreciated the fried chicken enough to lose his life over it.

Of course our stomachs are going to complain if we deny it food..I still think if most of us (including me) asked ourselves WHY we need 10 cookies, or WAITED 10 minutes, then we would either not eat the cookies or eat less of them.

Food is not the enemy, I really believe we set ourselves up for our own failure by how we "think" about food. We are our own enemy. Maybe we all need to become "friends" with food instead of fearing it.

Just my opinion that I'm sure everyone will flame! :O Menina

I totally agree with you. If FOOD itself was the issue, we'd be be binging on bananas, apples & rice cakes, too. But we don't (at least not usually!) - we binge on overly sweetened foods, salty foods, high fat foods. I have at least controlled my eating (yet again) to the point where I've lost 60 lbs & dropped my cholesterol to healthier levels, but I'm struggling again. And it's not because I'm hungry or starving myself - it's some sort of compulsion that I HAVE to HAVE the food I want.:(

Sha

kalamari
June 22nd, 2006, 10:32 AM
You can have the food you want, the question is, what pleasure are you getting from having a whole box of cookies? If you can find more positive reasons why than why not, then pig out. 60 lbs is remarkable. Aside from food, compulsions ususally have to due with anxiety, some of it we are aware of, some of it we are unaware of. Alcoholics who relapse give into the anxiety of "oh my god, I can't have another drink the rest of my life" or other similar thoughts. With food, you need to think, "Well, I can have more cookies tomorrow, or saturday, etc. so I'm going to put it off". Maybe it's better to have 1 cookie a day for a week, instead of 7 cookies in one setting. At least your facing the anxiety that way.

I am not an expert in anyway on this, I just logically apply what I know about psychology, human behavior, and medicine, and see if the connection can carry over with food. Like, instead of scarfing the cookies, why not have 1 cookie and 4 glasses of water, instead of 5 cookies? Why not substitute? Or instead of eating 5 cookies, why not have 1 and then go brush your teeth? Or why not drink 5 glasses of water instead of 5 cookies? Or why not take a 5 minute walk or jog instead of eating 5 cookies??




60 lbs is wonderful..that tells me you know how to not be impuslive..as the key to losing is not giving into impulses...great job! Menina

sharonella
June 22nd, 2006, 01:08 PM
Thanks menina, for the encouragement!

I've done it before & I can do it again!

Sha

kalamari
June 22nd, 2006, 01:40 PM
Sha: you ARE doing it!!! :)

Embarrassed to admit this as I only need to lose 11 lbs, but I like reading these boards, I am always inspired by people who lose lots of weight..I always admire the women in the gym that I see really sweating it out and working hard, for the health reasons, more so than the "look good " reasons..Menina

sharonella
June 22nd, 2006, 03:20 PM
Thanks - I know I'm still "doing it" - I'm still pretty pleased that I've come this far - what I meant was that since I've been in this "plateau" of up & down the same 5lb since January, I'll hopefully soon be able to finally get off the plateau & back to being a full time "loser" again! :rolleyes:

11 lbs to goal is tough. The closer you are, the harder it is to lose. And I don't know your height, weight, fitness level, etc, but maybe you are is where you should be - weightwise - & you just need to build a little more muscle & lose a couple inches.

This time around, I've really tried to wrap my mind around becoming healthy (as opposed to just getting thinner) by eating better & working out regularly - even if I stay at this weight for the rest of my life, as long as I don't go back to the old eating & non-workout habits, I've done a great thing for myself by lowering my risks of heart disease, etc.

And so have the rest of us - even losing as little as 10% of your body fat can increase you health levels significantly, if you maintain it! I've lost about 27% of my original weight - sounds really great when I say it that way! I think I'm encouraging myself now! :D

Sha

kalamari
June 22nd, 2006, 05:53 PM
Um, embarrassed again..I only NEED to lose 11 lbs..it's not my last 11 lbs..I always worked out, but slacked off..I work with a trainer now, and have for 9 weeks...for 4 one hour sessions per week (weights) plus 4-5 hours cardio ..to be upped to 2 hours, according to the trainer. The guy I use is thru a military connection, and is a navy seals trainer. I am the only woman I know who is 5ft8 and can weigh 170 lbs and can wear a size 8. Go figure. My problem is I tend to hang onto a lot of water weight, I eat less than 1000 mg sodium per day, on most days, but I have to drink tons of water. He figured that I am holding onto about 14% excess water..I have no idea how he figured that out.

But I like reading these boards and I get my own form of suppport from them.

Menina

Thanks - I know I'm still "doing it" - I'm still pretty pleased that I've come this far - what I meant was that since I've been in this "plateau" of up & down the same 5lb since January, I'll hopefully soon be able to finally get off the plateau & back to being a full time "loser" again! :rolleyes:

11 lbs to goal is tough. The closer you are, the harder it is to lose. And I don't know your height, weight, fitness level, etc, but maybe you are is where you should be - weightwise - & you just need to build a little more muscle & lose a couple inches.

This time around, I've really tried to wrap my mind around becoming healthy (as opposed to just getting thinner) by eating better & working out regularly - even if I stay at this weight for the rest of my life, as long as I don't go back to the old eating & non-workout habits, I've done a great thing for myself by lowering my risks of heart disease, etc.

And so have the rest of us - even losing as little as 10% of your body fat can increase you health levels significantly, if you maintain it! I've lost about 27% of my original weight - sounds really great when I say it that way! I think I'm encouraging myself now! :D

Sha

sharonella
June 23rd, 2006, 12:18 PM
Um, embarrassed again..I only NEED to lose 11 lbs..it's not my last 11 lbs..I always worked out, but slacked off..I work with a trainer now, and have for 9 weeks...for 4 one hour sessions per week (weights) plus 4-5 hours cardio ..to be upped to 2 hours, according to the trainer. The guy I use is thru a military connection, and is a navy seals trainer. I am the only woman I know who is 5ft8 and can weigh 170 lbs and can wear a size 8. Go figure. My problem is I tend to hang onto a lot of water weight, I eat less than 1000 mg sodium per day, on most days, but I have to drink tons of water. He figured that I am holding onto about 14% excess water..I have no idea how he figured that out.

But I like reading these boards and I get my own form of suppport from them.

Menina

Don't be embarrassed! :o 11 lbs to goal is still 11 lbs to goal - whether you've already lost 100, 10, or none. It's still very difficult to lose when you're that close!

But I'll say it again - if you're fit & your body fat % is in a good place - don't go crazy about 11 lbs! Since you're already working out that much with a trainer & you wear a size 8, I'd say you must have a great BF%, & most of the "weight" that you're worried about (besides the water) is muscle. The number on the scale is not as meaningful as BF%, inches, cholesterol count, blood pressure, etc. If you really have that much excess water weight (not sure how your trainer came up with that figure, either), I don't know how trying to lose more fat is going to do anything about the water.

I know when I started losing weight, I was also retaining a lot of water (my puffy ankles were a dead giveaway!). Once I started working out, eating better & drinking more water, most of the excess water weight went away (within the 1st month, I scould see my ankle bones again!) How you can be working out, drinking lots of water & watching your sodium & still have that much EXCESS water weight is beyond me. (Don't forget your body IS supposed to be mostly water - that's just a fact of life.)

There's nothing terrible about being a size 8, especially if you're healthy (and that tall!). :D (I can't remember ever being a size 8 as an adult!) I'm in mostly 12's right now at 5'2" 165lbs

The number on the scale is just that - one number out of many that give the total picture of your health.

Just my opinion!

Sha

WeirdEyes
June 23rd, 2006, 01:31 PM
But I'll say it again - if you're fit & your body fat % is in a good place - don't go crazy about 11 lbs! Since you're already working out that much with a trainer & you wear a size 8, I'd say you must have a great BF%, & most of the "weight" that you're worried about (besides the water) is muscle. The number on the scale is not as meaningful as BF%, inches, cholesterol count, blood pressure, etc. If you really have that much excess water weight (not sure how your trainer came up with that figure, either), I don't know how trying to lose more fat is going to do anything about the water.

The number on the scale is just that - one number out of many that give the total picture of your health.

Just my opinion!

Sha
Sha ~ Fabulous post!!! You said it all, girl!

kalamari
June 24th, 2006, 07:17 AM
You said it all! :)

There's a lot of reserach out on lack of sleep, certain hormones, and water/weight retention..which I think is part of my problem...I have a tendency to work 12-14 hour days and get up at 5 am sometimes..unfortunately I have no choice in the work schedule until January then it'll be better..and then if I dont plan my meals I'm toast..so I have to "organize" my meals, so I can grab things and go. I buy my meat from Whole Foods, but I always have them wrap each one up individually into single servings..so I can grab it and cook it..like 5 chicken breasts, all wrapped in it' own package. That helps a lot.


Don't be embarrassed! :o 11 lbs to goal is still 11 lbs to goal - whether you've already lost 100, 10, or none. It's still very difficult to lose when you're that close!

But I'll say it again - if you're fit & your body fat % is in a good place - don't go crazy about 11 lbs! Since you're already working out that much with a trainer & you wear a size 8, I'd say you must have a great BF%, & most of the "weight" that you're worried about (besides the water) is muscle. The number on the scale is not as meaningful as BF%, inches, cholesterol count, blood pressure, etc. If you really have that much excess water weight (not sure how your trainer came up with that figure, either), I don't know how trying to lose more fat is going to do anything about the water.

I know when I started losing weight, I was also retaining a lot of water (my puffy ankles were a dead giveaway!). Once I started working out, eating better & drinking more water, most of the excess water weight went away (within the 1st month, I scould see my ankle bones again!) How you can be working out, drinking lots of water & watching your sodium & still have that much EXCESS water weight is beyond me. (Don't forget your body IS supposed to be mostly water - that's just a fact of life.)

There's nothing terrible about being a size 8, especially if you're healthy (and that tall!). :D (I can't remember ever being a size 8 as an adult!) I'm in mostly 12's right now at 5'2" 165lbs

The number on the scale is just that - one number out of many that give the total picture of your health.

Just my opinion!

Sha

sharonella
June 26th, 2006, 10:54 AM
I don't get enough sleep, either. Most of it is basic "stupidity" - just because it's 11pm & I don't "feel" sleepy, I leave the TV on - next thing I know, it's after 1pm & I'm only going to get 6hrs (or less) sleep again.

There's a lot of research out there showing that getting enough sleep can improve your health in general, by allowing your body to rest & "repair" itself while you sleep. There's also some specific research on weight loss that suggests not getting enough sleep can "mess up" weight loss by not allowing your body the downtime it needs to "repair" itself properly from exercise & just the rigors of daily living, as well as interfering with hormone & other chemical "cycles" that your body needs to function efficiently. (I know, very vague & non-scientific sounding. :rolleyes: ) Also, some of the research suggests that not getting enough sleep can also CAUSE weight gain, for the above reasons, even when a person is only eating what should, at the very least, maintain their current weight. :eek:

You'd think this info alone would make me get to bed early every night!

Sha

WeirdEyes
June 26th, 2006, 04:51 PM
I started taking Melatonin every night and it really helps me sleep better. I'm getting about 7-7.5 hours now and that's a lot for me. I buy the sublingual kind at GNC and I take two.