Infants in swimming pool

[chrob]

Are infants in swim diapers allowed in the swimming pool on the Star Princess?

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[brucejr]

I don't think so. There is a little kids splash pool shaped like a whale for someone still in diapers.

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So when is the next cruise?

[starsjohn]

I almost rescued one infant that made it to the edge of the splash area and deep water. The mom was looking the other way.

John

[Nitemare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> almost rescued <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>?

oh oh.

[roohound]

swim diaper = fecal tea bag

'nuff said http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Salty Dawg]

http://www.harrythecat.com/graphics/w/toilet4.gif Hey kids... no diapers are needed in this swimming pool!

[roohound]

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[sue d. miller]

Now why didn't think of that!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Call it the children's version of the "swim against the current pool"! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[brucejr]

Salty That is too funny
ROFLMAO

I agree about the fecal tea bag too

[Suzanne123]

We didn't have kids with us, but I noticed that on the front page of the Princess Patter last week was a notice that no children in diapers were allowed in the pools. It didn't make any distinction re: children's or adult pools. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[jhannah]

What about adults in diapers?

'Vegas Jim

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What about adults in diapers?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... sounds like a personal problem. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[westerdam42]

DEPENDS on the situation I guess<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jhannah:
What about adults in diapers?

'Vegas Jim
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Sun Princess

[roohound]

My SERENITY DEPENDS on a poo-free pool http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My SERENITY DEPENDS on a poo-free pool <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

poo-free pool mathematics: POOL - POO = L

What the "L" are you thinking of?

[crazy4themouse]

*wipes Dr. Pepper off her monitor*

Stop, for the love of all that is holy... you're going to make me choke from laughing so hard! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm so glad you guys can laugh about this topic... on some boards, it gets waaaaay out of hand. You should have seen the DIS boards (for Disney cruise line) during the time period between when they (sanely) outlawed non-potty trained children in any pool, and the time they put in the constantly-recycling-water toddler splash pool. People were so indignant that their little Johnny didn't have the right to turn the pool into a biohazard. And they just couldn't grok the concept that swim diapers don't hold in germs. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

*cheers for poo-free pools*

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-gina-

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[roohound]

Gina..I saw that on the DIS when that hit the fan.

People would bring up stories of little ones getting E. Coli from water parks because of accidents in the pool, but some of those rabid folks were like by the love of all that is holy, and btw, do you know how much I'm paying for this DIsney cruise?, my child has the same right to the pool as everyone else.....even if he is a festering biohazard! (ok, maybe I added the festering biohazard part LOL)

I feel for the little ones, but come on, we need to think of people besides ourselves!

[sue d. miller]

How about booking a cabin with a tub? Just in case you don't like the idea if a whirlpool with a handle found in "every" cabin. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Yummy... poop soup! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[sue d. miller]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Salty, you are way too cool!!!!!!

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Really, we love children...
http://www.heathersanimations.com/food/315.gif want to exchange recipes?

[sue d. miller]

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Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

If you're on a cruise that offers up young and tender soylent green, just say no http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[sue d. miller]

ROFLMAO http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

Altho, it may still be better than the ranch steak I keep reading about on RCCL http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[PeabodyNVL]

And what most people don't realize is the main mode of transmission for Norwalk is...you guessed it...fecal contamination.

So, let this be a lesson. If there is an outbreak of Norwalk on a ship you are on, instead of just giving up going to the buffet, consider giving up the pools too.

Pea

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[Salty Dawg]

Norwalk virus prevention procedures:

* Hand sanitizer by all restaurants & buffets
* Butt sanitizers near all the pools & hot tubs!

[roohound]

bwhahahhaahhaahahahahahahahhahah

Wait, maybe that explains the thongs I"ve seen on people who shouldn't be wearing them.....they're not fashion statements, they're butt sanitizers!

[sue d. miller]

omg http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>they're not fashion statements, they're butt sanitizers!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmmm... do you think it will sell?
Butt floss with built-in sanitizers.

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[roohound]

Interesting!

I was just checking out the most recent CDC cruise ship inspections and saw this on the Grand Princess comments..it cost them a point:

#20 POOLS AND SPAS

All the pools and spas did not have signs stating: children in diapers not allowed

(it also says that this was removed from the final report)

So if people get huffy about little Johnny not being able to simulataneously crap himself senseless and swim his heart out, blame the CDC, not Princess LOL

[Bisous3]

You guys are killing me.... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[sue d. miller]

Hi Bisous. Aren't they great!! It is nice to have fun also, and not be serious all the time. I know it is very hard work, but someone has to do it. Glad they are on the Princess board. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

Hmmm...is this the reason I stopped cruising HAL and went back to Princess? The boards are more fun LOL

[sue d. miller]

Yep. Being in a family is much more fun. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Sue,

We do function well as a dysfunctional family!

[JanC]

Ok, if we could just get back to being serious for a minute, (I know, party pooper (no pun intended!) Jan). The bottom line (again no pun intended!) is, no kids, or adults for that matter, that can't control themselves, in the pool! YUK YUK YUK!!!!
Now everyone have a nice day! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WooHoo, cruisin' again in May 2004!

[sue d. miller]

Good morning, Jan. You are absolutely right!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We have stressed the bacteria, the yellow water, the floaters, other children, other adults, going in after and getting sick, and the Grand losing points for not having the signs posted to keep diapers of all sizes out of the pool. Have a great day. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[AmyBeth68]

You guys are hilarious http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. OK..now that I've caught my breath from laughing...I'd like to make a comment (and I do have kids, but they are thankfully out of the diaper stage).

On our Golden cruise they had to shut down the main pool for 2 days for "sanitization" allegedly b/c of an infant's accident in the pool. I too feel bad for the little ones...but the alternative is YUCK! Also, Princess now posts signs that children in diapers are not allowed in the pools.

[sue d. miller]

Thank goodness for the signs!! Now lets hope the parents will read the signs, and the sign is enforced. My guys are out of diapers, but on a cruise I won't let them go in the pools, or hot tubs. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Mean? Maybe, Sick? Nope.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Nitemare]

Have you considered corks? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[roohound]

I am *not* going to be the one to sniff that cork and determine if it's a good vintage http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[sue d. miller]

Corks are good! Great idea. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You guys in boston know how to do it!!!!!! GO SOX http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[sue d. miller]

Tell you what, cause I am a Gram, you pull it out and I will sniff!!!!!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Deal?

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Hlitner]

The "Ranch Steak" post got me to thinking. Nah! it can't be. Those steaks are not tender enough.

Hank

[roohound]

perhaps the ranch steak is instead the overly crotchety seniors who cause riots at the buffet line?? mmmm mmmm...extra tough and chewy!

[sue d. miller]

I haven't tried the ranch steak, but I bet it has ATTITUDE!!!!!!!!! written all over it. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[NitaBcruising]

Just had to read this! Big ugly http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif discussions on other boards! Thanks for the laughs!!!
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(hold that Dr. Pepper!)

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[crazy4themouse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Salty Dawg:
We do function well as a dysfunctional family!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because we put the "fun" in dysFUNction! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[sue d. miller]

Lots more fun than being normal!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

Normal is soooooooooooooooo overrated LOL

Hey, if we weren't all crazy, we'd just be insane

[JanC]

Ok, the CORK conversation had me laughing out loud, literally!! A co-worker walked by my office and saw me laughing at my computer. She said "what are you laughing at?". I just said "oh nothing, just an email from a friend". Now, I happen to work for a winery. Should I bring a few bags of corks and hand them out at the pool???

WooHoo, cruisin' again in May 2004!

[sue d. miller]

Absolutely!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hand one to every parent heading to the pool with a diapered child. Now we have to find someone to hand out plastic drink cups with TIGHT elastic for the other end. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

A cork + warm, fermented intestinal gas = projectile farts!

http://kasiface.tripod.com/food17.gif Stand clear... it's going to explode!

[augie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AmyBeth68:
Also, Princess now posts signs that children in diapers are not allowed in the pools.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's great, but I was on a cruise where the parent was smart enough to know that diapers didn't belong in the pool, but not smart enough to realize that the same kid, sans diapers, STILL didn't belong in the pool.

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[roohound]

at that point, you have 2 options:

#1 Contact a staffer to explain to the parent that isn't acceptable

#2 Get butt-a@@ naked yourself and ask if she likes that. If she answers in the affirmative, threaten to take a dump LOL

[Salty Dawg]

http://www.heathersanimations.com/jungle/hyena.gif Sometimes actions speak louder than words!

[Pshkbb]

I called princess to ask about this and they assured me that infants in swim diapers ARE allowed in the pools (just not the adults only pool).

[sue d. miller]

Well, that keeps me out!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Wonder why the Grand lost points for not having the sign posted.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

I dunno Sue..it may explain why it was left of the final report (you can check out the CDC reports and the ship's responses [if available] here: CDC inspections (http://www2.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/vspmain.asp)

All I can say is I'm sticking to the adult pools for sure!

[sue d. miller]

Carry the body sanitizer with you in the tote bag!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

Note to self: go to Costco this weekend for the industrial sized drum of body sanitizer......slather *all* over before entering pool. Repeat every 5 minutes

[sue d. miller]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe you could find some great lookin guy to help you out!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

DH *may* have an issue with that! LOL

Hmm..you know, I just remembered something.....on all the different cruise lines I've been on, Princess was the only one to have male attendents at the spa...hmmmmmmmm

Honey, have to go to the spa, don't wait up LOL

[sue d. miller]

Thats ok. you go and have a good time. I got your back!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

Sue, clearly we have to plan a cruise together!

What's that honey? No, I'm not going to the pool and stopping by the pool to get slathered..I'm going to hang out with Sue http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[sue d. miller]

What a plan http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Our toddler is VERY adventurous and likes to run around and play but has a great disposition so I am hoping all will be ok - I'll have to ship a box of toys down but that should be fine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pshkbb,

The above quote is from your post on the "Opinions on taking an 18 month old on Caribbean Princess" thread.

Since you are bringing so many toys anyway, why not pack your own small, inflatable pool for your child? The staff is very accommodating so we are sure they would be willing to fill it with water for you. You could set it up on deck, near the children's zone, & your little one could splish/splash 'til their heart is content! When the tyke is done playing for the day you simply have the water emptied down a drain, deflate the pool, & take it back to your room with you.

The other passengers will appreciate your considerate actions once they realize that if your child had an "oops" (add a "P" or not!) it would be contained in your darling's personal space without contaminating the entire ship pool.

http://www.harrythecat.com/graphics/w/kids2.gif

[Pshkbb]

salty dawg,

nothing personal - I understand people's reluctance to swiming with kids in swim diapers however when you are paying FULL PRICE for a toddler they should be allowed to enjoy all the ammentities of the ship as well as the rest of the passengers. Plus these days - swim diapers are made really well and don't leak - it is really a matter of the parents keeping a close eye and making sure to get their child out of the pool and changing those diapers on a regular basis....

K

[sue d. miller]

Also, no disrespect, maybe it comes down to respect, and the health, for other passengers, including children that are out of diapers. It would be a shame for other children to get a virus and be sick because a little one wasn't caught in time. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[roohound]

But Sue, they're paying FULL PRICE for a toddler, so others' health and well being be damned

[sue d. miller]

Quote: On our Golden cruise they had to shut down the main pool for 2 days for "sanitization" allegedly b/c of an infant's accident in the pool. I too feel bad for the little ones...but the alternative is YUCK! Also, Princess now posts signs that children in diapers are not allowed in the pools.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[sue d. miller]

Quote: We didn't have kids with us, but I noticed that on the front page of the Princess Patter last week was a notice that no children in diapers were allowed in the pools. It didn't make any distinction re: children's or adult pools.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[sue d. miller]

Quote: And what most people don't realize is the main mode of transmission for Norwalk is...you guessed it...fecal contamination.

So, let this be a lesson. If there is an outbreak of Norwalk on a ship you are on, instead of just giving up going to the buffet, consider giving up the pools too.

Pea

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[sue d. miller]

I am a nurse. There is a reason for this. Even though the little ones, and our children pay full price, we don't pay all that money for us or our children to get sick.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Pshkbb]

I must say I am quite surprised by the responses I am reading here. They are getting rather nasty. I would simply like to add that you should probably be more concerned about the older kids who are toilet trained and are having too much fun to get out of the pool to use the rest room. I am also sure that there are plenty of adults that do this too.

These cruise ships were built for passengers of all ages and thus should be able to be enjoyed by all. I assume there is a reason there is an adults only pool.

Either way, please try to be respectful of the other posters here - I am actually rather hurt that I have been singled out and "attacked" (and not even for a post to this discussion).

Please be considerate to your fellow posters (and cruisers).

[sue d. miller]

I have not seen nasty replies. In fact we have tried everything in the book to try to enlighten parents to the fact of bacteria. Until, that is, the remark that because full price was paid, safety wasn't important, and we did not make that remark. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

From the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention web site:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Pool Closures... Fecal accidents are a concern and an inconvenience to both pool operators and patrons. Pool operators should carefully explain to swimmers the need to close the pool in response to a fecal accident for their own health and safety. Pool closures allow chlorine to do its job and protect your swimmers from RWIs (Recreational Water Illnesses).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Please be considerate to your cruise mates. Don't be the one who allows their child in diapers to be the reason for this sign to be posted:


http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/images/pool_closed.jpg

[Pshkbb]

I appoligize if you misunderstood what I had written in my post above but please tell me where I said that others safety and health was unimportant? I don not feel that way and if you thought that was my opinion then I am sorry you misunderstood me.

I do, however, feel that if a passenger is paying the same fare - no matter what their age - they should be able to enjoy their cruise as much as the next person. I also agree that allowing people (of any age) to use the pool as a toilet is unacceptable which is why concerned parents (such as myself) will generally double diaper their children with a disposable swim diaper and then a plastic swim diaper.

I am sure that there are parents who don't do this and I am sure that there are parents who leave their kids in the same swim diaper all day but most of us don't do that.

As I said before - the issue is not only with toddlers and again, I am taking this a bit personally because I don't think I did anything to provoke you guys - like I said I was singled out from another discussion altogether and simply made a comment about fares and what those fares include - which is not just room and board but also use of the ships ammentities.

[This message was edited by Pshkbb on 04-29-04 at 10:52 PM.]

[Bisous3]

I don't swim in public pools , period. There are many reasons including the whole swim diaper thing....
I saw some guy who was sweating like a pig on his lounger get up and dive in the pool. Gee thanks, I can't wait to take a nice refreshing swim in your sweat.
Kids of ALL AGES pee in the pool, as well as drunk adults.
I get up and shower off in the shower (WITH my rubber thongs on thank you very much http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) to cool off periodically.
Same thing with the jacuzzi. I now its got tons of chemicals to kill bacteria, but it just grosses me out. I can't help it.

Suzanne
Oceanic '82
Oceanic '83
Century '01
Century '03
Millennium '03
Island Princess '04
Thanksgiving on the Millie '04

[sue d. miller]

I am sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand why any parent would take the responsibility of possibly making other passengers, children as well as adults, including their own children, sick because they paid full price for a cruise. I am not attacking anyone. I just don't understand it. I guess i just care about people.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[brucejr]

There actually is a kids poolhttp://brobertson.org/photos/grand-kid-pool.jpg This is only part of it. There is also another part that is more like a fountain there the little ones can splash about. Lots of good fun.

The Grand class ships are quite large with spaces AND pools for everyone, the pee-ers and non-pee-ers both.

This reminds me, there are 2 kinds of divers, the ones that pee in their wet-suit and those that lie about it. Which kind are you?

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So when is the next cruise?

[Salty Dawg]

From: http://www.princess.com/onboard/answer/kids.html

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
We have a special place in our hearts for kids aboard our ships. Now more than ever! Nearly every ship in our fleet has a dedicated Youth and Teen Center with oceans of activities offered and supervised by our professional staff. The following information details why cruising is kid's play with Princess.

A BOATLOAD OF FUN
When you cruise on Crown, Regal, Sun, Dawn, Ocean, Sea, Grand, Golden, Coral, Island, Diamond, and Star Princess, you will find completely equipped Youth and Teen Centers. There is everything from arts and crafts corners, games tables, movies and splash pools to Teen Centers with ping-pong tables, jukeboxes and all the latest video games.

The Sun, Dawn, Sea, Ocean, Grand, Coral, Island, Diamond, Star and Golden Princess even offer a toddlers' play area, a splash pool, computers, and video games. And for teens, special hideouts -Cyberspace, The Fast Lane, Wired and Off Limits - are guaranteed to give them the time of their lives. In addition to all these features, on Grand Princess and Golden Princess, kids will also enjoy their own deck space with a whale's tail splash pool. And teens have a separate jacuzzi and deck area made just for them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pshkbb,

Problem solved... only allow your child to swim in the pool specifically
designated for toddlers. (since you are "paying FULL PRICE for a toddler
they should be allowed to enjoy all the amenities of the ship"...
THIS IS THEIR "AMENITY" FOR SWIMMING!

[Nitemare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I do, however, feel that if a passenger is paying the same fare - no matter what their age - they should be able to enjoy their cruise as much as the next person <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I agree with you 100%. And I know that if you see signs saying kids in diapers are not allowed in any of the main pool that you will obey that rule just like we'd expect other passengers to obey all other Princess rules that affect passengers' comfort.

[westerdam42]

I have asked this before, why would you bring a toddler on a cruise????? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pshkbb:
salty dawg,

nothing personal - I understand people's reluctance to swiming with kids in swim diapers however when you are paying FULL PRICE for a toddler they should be allowed to enjoy all the ammentities of the ship as well as the rest of the passengers. Plus these days - swim diapers are made really well and don't leak - it is really a matter of the parents keeping a close eye and making sure to get their child out of the pool and changing those diapers on a regular basis....

K<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

3/9/05 Eastern Caribbean
Sun Princess

[Bisous3]

I think this dead horse has been beat to death on every public discussion group about cruising that exists on the entire WWW!!

Suzanne
Oceanic '82
Oceanic '83
Century '01
Century '03
Millennium '03
Island Princess '04
Thanksgiving on the Millie '04

[roohound]

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[spongerob]

My sentiments exactly, Roohound.

Just completed:
Caribbean Princess Apr 3/04
Golden Princess Apr 10/04
Coming up:
Tahitian Princess Oct 14/04

[sue d. miller]

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Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[AmyBeth68]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Wow...that poor horse!!!

I can answer the question "why bring a toddler on a cruise?". Honestly speaking, cruising has become one of the only family-friendly and pocketbook friendly vacations. While I did not cruise when my children were toddlers or in diapers, mine are still pretty young, and I can say that a cruise gives you the most bang for your buck. A great kid's program (ages 3 and over), pools, fun ports of call with great beaches, good food (and lots of options for picky eaters) and evening kid's dinners so mom and dad can have some alone time. The parents can get massages, dress up in their nicest clothes and see a show. There are very few vacation options that can do all this for one relatively reasonable price. Believe me...I've looked into all-inclusives and they are VERY expensive, most resorts charge a fortune for their kid's clubs on a daily basis and Disney (well, how many times can you go to Disney!!!) OK...so we've been to Disney a lot but it is truly expensive as well. The cruise industry has begun to position itself, and well I might add, as a family vacation. When bringing children along parents do have to make sacrifices (we missed the champagne waterfall, left Island Night early, etc) because the kids can't stay up all hours of the night. But it really does afford us some valuable alone time without having to leave the kids hundreds of miles away http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

I think there are definitely challenges when bringing infants and toddlers, but I see no reason why they shouldn't go. But that's just my humble opinion. As for the pool issue, I have to say that I think if the child has double diapers (swim diaper with a plastic cover) that should be sufficient. The swim diapers alone aren't great, but those plastic covers are really good!

OK...I know that poor horse is already dead but I couldn't resist adding my own thoughts to this thread. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Cheers!

[This message was edited by AmyBeth68 on 04-30-04 at 09:42 AM.]

[spongerob]

Amy, your girls were a treat to sail with!

Just completed:
Caribbean Princess Apr 3/04
Golden Princess Apr 10/04
Coming up:
Tahitian Princess Oct 14/04

[Northender]

Well I thought the horse was dead too. To each his own I say. As for me, I will stay at the adult pool and won't have to dodge any baby ruth's http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



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[roohound]

DOODIE DOODIE DOODIE! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[starsjohn]

I saw a film on teaching toddlers to swim at 6 months. Potential olympic champs in the training.

JOhn

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I saw a film on teaching toddlers to swim at 6 months. Potential olympic champs in the training.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Since they were "swimming" in the womb...
should we send them back to familiar waters?

[sue d. miller]

Might have to stretch out the buppin just a little bit!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[westerdam42]

You are kidding, aren't you????<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pshkbb:
salty dawg,

nothing personal - I understand people's reluctance to swiming with kids in swim diapers however when you are paying FULL PRICE for a toddler they should be allowed to enjoy all the ammentities of the ship as well as the rest of the passengers. Plus these days - swim diapers are made really well and don't leak - it is really a matter of the parents keeping a close eye and making sure to get their child out of the pool and changing those diapers on a regular basis....

K<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

3/9/05 Eastern Caribbean
Sun Princess

[sue d. miller]

We are used to it, and we do it. I have children, grandchildren, and two great grandchildren who all cruise. They love it and I love it. When the children are with me, they do not use the pools. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cruising is the very best family vacation there is, bar none. Hence the kids programs, kids meals, kids playrooms, kids pools, little kid sized robes, etc., etc.,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since that is the case, why don't the parents spend time with their children in these venues which are specifically designed to be "kid friendly"? The camaraderie & tolerance of "kids being kids" is expected there so both parents & children would find complete acceptance in those zones.

We equate it to the "smoking/no smoking allowed" designated sections on the ship which were instituted in consideration for the health, safety & comfort of all passengers. Maybe the cruise ships need to post "children allowed/no children allowed" designated sections for the same reasons. (Seems like that is what the "kid zone" was intended for but they may need to publicize the fact!)

We are not anti-children or anti-smoking but appreciate the concept of having specific areas on the ship set aside for such "pleasures". That way those who don't want to be exposed to such "hazards" don't have to be!

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[NitaBcruising]

I guess I'm not sure why this is an issue? The rules state no swim diapers! I know, no one wants to follow rules, be it chairs, clothes, pools, etc. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Are rules just for those of us who believe it them??? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Nita

[roohound]

SD..that's one reason I like Disney Cruise Line so much.

I think on my MAgic cruises there were clearly a much larger number of kids onboard than say my Princess, HAL, or Carnival cruises. BUT....Disney made things very nice for adult by instituting adult only areas. There are 3 pool...a kiddie pool, a family pool, and an adults only pool. At their private island there's the family beach and the adults only beach. And, as an added bonus, they enforce the adults only rules http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I certainly have no problems with kids cruising, but I think we all need to respect the rules (and hey, I wasn't allowed to go on the kiddie slide so even tho I was a FULL PRICE passenger, there were areas I did not go to because I play by the rules http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(and hey, I wasn't allowed to go on the kiddie slide so even tho I was a FULL PRICE passenger, there were areas I did not go to because I play by the rules)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Roohound,

That's what you get for trying to go in the pool with your Depends on.

A diaper by any name... still leaks & stinks!!!

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[mafig]

Slightly OT here.

We have a pool. in July my DH's niece is visiing us with her then 15 month old.

I don't know how to keep this kid out of the pool, or how to say what all of you have been talking about -- the dangers of fecal contamination -- without seeming to be really rude or unsociable. Anyone who has experienced this? The only thing I can think of is buying one of those blow up pools and putting it beside the pool. I feel funny even bringing it up to DH.

[crazy4themouse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roohound:
I think on my MAgic cruises there were clearly a much larger number of kids onboard than say my Princess, HAL, or Carnival cruises. BUT....Disney made things very nice for adult by instituting adult only areas. There are 3 pool...a kiddie pool, a family pool, and an adults only pool. At their private island there's the family beach and the adults only beach. And, as an added bonus, they enforce the adults only rules http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is SO true... there may be 700-800 kids onboard at any given time on the Magic, but I could always go sit at Quiet Cove pool and it was like there wasn't a single child onboard. DCL does a *great* job of keeping the adult-only sections as adult-only, no exceptions. And they do a great job of keeping the swim-diapered ones in that one ear of the Mickey pool, where the water is constantly recycled.

I love my child, but Mommy needs Mommy-time. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And I don't ever have a problem with pointing out rule-breakers to a CM onboard. Rules are there for a reason -- you either follow them, or you stay home. That's how I was raised, that's how I am raising my little boy. Novel concept, it seems, sometimes! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

-gina-

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Disney Magic: 2/02, 2/03, 2/04

[sue d. miller]

I would say, no kids in the pool. too many die by accident, and have the splash pool at the ready with lots of "little" pool toys. Not only clean, but safe!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[ninafromct]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Salty Dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cruising is the very best family vacation there is, bar none. Hence the kids programs, kids meals, kids playrooms, _kids pools_, little kid sized robes, etc., etc.,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since that is the case, why don't the parents spend time with their children in these venues which are specifically designed to be "kid friendly"? The camaraderie & tolerance of "kids being kids" is expected there so both parents & children would find complete acceptance in those zones.f <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? I'm not sure what makes you think parents DON'T spend time with their children in the kids venues? My boys are older, but we also cruise with my nephews who are 8 months and 3 (the 3 year old is potty trained). We spent most of our onboard time at the kiddie pool on our last cruise last week, which was full of happy, swim diapered babies and their equally happy parents and grandparents. No one was freaking out about the kids in the kiddie pool and a good time was had by all.

I'm so glad we had an easy going bunch of cruisers with us who didn't pitch a fit at the sight of kids in pool.

No tagline, on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

[PeabodyNVL]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mafig:
We have a pool. in July my DH's niece is visiing us with her then 15 month old. I don't know how to keep this kid out of the pool, or how to say what all of you have been talking about -- the dangers of fecal contamination -- without seeming to be really rude or unsociable. Anyone who has experienced this? The only thing I can think of is buying one of those blow up pools and putting it beside the pool. I feel funny even bringing it up to DH.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why not get a little inflatable pool and have it ready for her, so she can enjoy the water too? I doubt that people with home pools want to have to drain it and refill it if an "accident" happens.

Pea

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[roohound]

Check this out from the CDC:

And I consider the CDC a fairly reputable agency http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (http://www.cdc.gov/healthyswimming/newsletters/vol1no1.htm)

Pay special attention to the area entitled "Swim Diapers: A False Sense of Security"

[sue d. miller]

Quote: CDC You might also consider keeping diaper/toddler-aged children in the pools specifically designated for them.

It pays to be proactive.

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My boys are older, but we also cruise with my nephews who are 8 months and 3 (the 3 year old is potty trained). We spent most of our onboard time at the kiddie pool on our last cruise last week, which was full of happy, swim diapered babies and their equally happy parents and grandparents. No one was freaking out about the kids in the kiddie pool and a good time was had by all.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ninafromct,

We are glad to hear that you had a wonderful cruise and applaud your common sense approach for spending time with the children in your family at the proper venue for such activities. That is exactly what I was trying to state.

Confine swim activities with diapered babies & toddlers to the kiddie pool where the other passengers won't "freak out"... thus allowing a good time to be had by all..

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[donna5]

Princess needs to go back to curbing the amount of children and should let us know the amount of children/teens on the ship. We should be able to make a decision of wether there are too many children for us to enjoy the ship. Maybe some adult only would be fine. On another note do those with children also pay the tips or do they stiff the staff? Cruising use to be so peaceful.

[Bisous3]

Um, no, we don't "stiff the staff" ...what a ridiculous comment. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Suzanne
Oceanic '82
Oceanic '83
Century '01
Century '03
Millennium '03
Island Princess '04
Thanksgiving on the Millie '04

[AmyBeth68]

donna5...yes, we tip the staff from the Funzone counselors to the room steward to the waitstaff. The Princess staff treated our children with dignity and respect and we repaid them (above and beyond the automatic tipping per person) for helping to make our vacation special and memorable.

With that said...I think limiting the number of children on board is a positive for everyone. Even those travelling with kids like myself.

[pattie63]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donna5:
On another note do those with children also pay the tips or do they stiff the staff? Cruising use to be so peaceful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why on earth would you think those with children would stiff the staff? This is a ridiculous, mean-spirited comment. Perhaps you do not realize that children also are included in the automatic tipping. I, for one, tip generously above that for myself AND my children - the Fun Zone staff in particular. And, I don't know if other parents do this, but I keep our cabin as neat as can be BECAUSE of the kids. I don't think our steward had much to do in our cabiolast cruise - I took along bathroom wipes, glass wipes, etc. to make sure that I could clean up after them IF they were messy (which they weren't). I also made their beds and pushed them it first thing in the morning. Despite this, she received a nice additional tip which she deserved! I think, if anything, parents with children onboard may be very good tippers as well as being considerate of the staff.

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Grand Princess - 2002
Coral Princess - 2004

[starsjohn]

A lot more fun than a pool and much safer for toddlers, is a water fountain setup like they have at Fashion Island, Newport Beach, CA. Here the toddlers crawl, walk out into jets of water which adjust automatically to their presence, makeing dancing motions and other designs. The young ones really love it. The adults stop by and watch for hours as its really interesting and entertaining. Cruise ships would have no problem installing multiple arrays of these devices.

John

[roohound]

Pattie, I have heard more often than not, people complaining that children's tips are the same as adult tips and (and this is a direct quote from one cruise I was one) "I'll be g-damned if I'm gonna pay tips money for my kids...we're going to have that removved from the account"

Mind you, this is the same family who had two kids with them...one toddler and one around 5 and when they left the buffet area it looked like a tornado hit their table http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm by no means saying that's what everyone's attitude is, but when you experience something like that firsthand, it really sticks with you

[pg.]

Some people stiff the help, they will use any excuse. If they have kids they use that excuse, if they don't have kids they make up another excuse..I do not think poeple who have kids stiff the help any more than anyone else.

There are cheapos and then there are cheapos.

[roohound]

very true pg, very true!

The only reason I made that comment is because we thought the rich irony of them saying the kids shouldn't be responsible for tips and yet they just left a disaster at their table because of the smeared foods and various foods and utensils on the floor.

[CruisingMommy]

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First off I want to say that we will be taking our twins, yes twin 20-month old girls, not potty trained (of course) on the 9/18/04 sailing of the Caribbean Princess. We will not be taking them in the adult pool areas but we will be taking them in the kids pool with their swimmy diapers. I get so annoyed reading some of these posts regarding children and diapers. Come on, everyone should be responsible for their own children and follow the rules but we have every right to bring them along. Why else would the cruise lines build children's pools and play areas? If you don't believe in bringing your toddler on such a vacation then don't! But why question those of us that want to spend a nice vacation together as a FAMILY! If you don't want to go on a ship with children then sail on a different line.

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Grandeur of the Seas 10/98
Monarch of Seas 10/99
Grand Princess 12/00
Grand Princess 9/01
Adventure of the Seas 12/01
Explorer of the Seas 8/02
Caribbean Princess 9/04

[crazy4themouse]

Is Disney the ONLY cruise line that actually heeds the CDC and doesn't allow non-potty-trained children in the pools at all?? That is what the one toddler splash pool is for -- that is NOT what the "children's pool" (the Mickey pool) is for.

I was under the assumption, this being the 21st century and diseases what they are, that Princess also did not allow swim diapers in the pools. Guess it's time to go start writing letters -- at least I don't sail for another 10 months.

yuk,
-gina-

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[sue d. miller]

I am afraid you are right, Gina. All cruise lines set the rules, so it is up to the parents to enforce the rules. But if a parent pays for the child, and the parent takes the child where the parent chooses to take the child, then the Cdc is sucking wind!! Hooray for Disney, they enforce weather the parent agrees or not, And the parent pays more for the child on Disney, than other lines. Go figure!!

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[ninafromct]

Just a couple of comments,

We never "stiff the staff", and in fact, tip extra for kids counselors and great waiters who dote on the children, we appreciate the extra work involved.

Also, I love, love, love the idea of sprinklers, fountains, water attractions, etc. I think the cruiselines should pay attention to that suggestion which might actually result in making everyone happy. What a concept!http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We've sailed Disney and will do so again. It's a budget breaker but oh is it worth it!

No tagline, on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

[sue d. miller]

Nina, Doesn't it sound like a perfect solution? O.K. John. How can we get this wonderful concept out to the cruiselines? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

On a moving vessel the idea of sprinklers or fountains would result in a giant slip & slide zone for the children to get injured. (Of course, they could always have a new activity called "bumper pool", with the little ones used as the cue balls!)

The liability issue would be a nightmare for the cruise industry to defend.

[sue d. miller]

Oops!!!! I guess that is out http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Back to the drawing board http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[starsjohn]

I guess we will have to send the idea to CalTech and see if there might be solution. Actually, some of the new padded, anti-skid deckings on land, if they were waterproof, might work. I have a friend that works at corporate at Princess, and I will have her look at the setup at Fashion Island. I know we always stop and watch the kids play.

John

[sue d. miller]

Kool. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks, John http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

... and we were having so much fun thinking of betting on the diaper brigade "stripes" vs. "solid" cue balls!

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[SeaPA]

Dragging this hijacked thread back to the topic, I am quite curious about something. The local YMCA (in fact Y's nationwide) have swimming instructional classes beginning at 6 months. The class at our local Y is taught in the regular swimming pool. I wonder why they would allow this when the cruiselines don't? Only stipulation is that you don't bring the child if he/she has been sick.
I know this because my 1 y/o just finished the course & has done so well that we've been asked to be "guest dad & baby" in the upcoming course so that others can see that it's ok to be adventurous with baby.
As for the "why would you bring a baby" and "do you stiff the staff" comments/questions, what a bunch of crap. Why bring him? Why wouldn't I. He is a major part of our family, 1/3 of it as a matter of fact. I enjoy being around he & his mom more than anyone else. We're respectful of others, if he starts crying or acting up we take him away & settle him down. I doubt he's any more offensive to anyone than the "adults" who get sloppy drunk & can't pronounce any words other than $##@% #%@% and #$%@ without slurring them. As for tipping the staff, yes we tip the staff. We also policed the dining area & left it as clean (or cleaner) than it was when we arrived, despite staff telling us not to do so. As a matter of fact, the three of us make a whole lot less of a mess at a table than the gluttonous slobs who make 5 passes through the buffet line, not including the 3 trips to the dessert section.

[Salty Dawg]

We are not anti-children on this board. All that we are asking for is consideration on the part of the parents traveling with their children in regards to passengers who, by choice, are not traveling with children.

Enjoy your family time with you little ones in the areas of the ship which are specifically designed & designated for the activities of infants, toddlers, children, or teens. It is a given that meal time is for everyone but crying, disruptive or unruly passengers, of any age, should immediately be removed from the dining room so as not to disturb others.

Compare "children/no children" to the "smoker/non-smoker" issues. Knowing that an area is designated as such allows each passenger to determine if they wish to be exposed to the pleasures/hazards of either (the smoking or the children). Such provisions provide for the health, safety & comfort of all passengers.


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God bless the children... they are the adults of the future.

[SeaPA]

Hmmmm. The tone of the question "Why would you even bring a toddler on a cruise" and "Did you stiff the staff" didn't exactly sound overly "kid-friendly."
My child rarely cries (yes, I know we are lucky). When he does so & we're in a common area (or a dining area, or anywhere else that he would be bothering someone) he is promptly removed from that area. Trust me, I understand being annoyed by kids. We are older parents; had been married 16 years before he came along, wifey's pushing 40 & I'm pulling it. So we understand not wrecking someone else's time with a screaming baby.
I disagree somewhat with your fellings about the common areas & that I should stick to the kiddie area when with the kiddie. Twisting around your comment re the smoking/no smoking, CP has an area (the spa), that is adults only, including the pool. Maybe if you don't want kids around you should stick to the adults only area? BTW, I did sneak off to that spot a few times when I wanted some quiet, as did wifey.

[Bisous3]

It was always my assumption that the chemicals they pour into the pool kill off any bacteria that might be lurking from leaking swim diapers or whatever. At least thats what the pool guy says!
That doesn't mean I swim in public pools anyway- its the psychological gross out factor that keeps me out. I am the Mom of a 4 year old and have the identical philosophy as SeaPA. We make it a point not to disturb anyone's peace...everywhere we go.

Suzanne
Oceanic '82
Oceanic '83
Century '01
Century '03
Millennium '03
Island Princess '04
Thanksgiving on the Millie '04

[roohound]

That's assuming the pool is properly kept...E. Coli infection from an accident killed a few kids at a water park and sickened several others even tho technically, E. Coli should be killed within in a minute or so in a properly kept pool.

Also, refer to my above posted CDC article for info on the times it takes to kill various viruses, etc.

[Kevin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Salty Dawg:
All that we are asking for is consideration on the part of the parents traveling with their children in regards to passengers who, _by choice_, are not traveling with children.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since cruise lines allow children you also choose to travel with children. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you want an entirely kid free vacation pick a vacation that provides that feature.

Until that point while on vacation keep all your friendly advice to your self unless asked.

When my daughter was under 1 we went to the movies with her all the time. We would always see the 9 or later show because we knew she would sleep through the entire movie.

As we entered the theater we would always get nasty and I mean nasty looks from the "We are not anti children crowd" at the theater.

At the end of the movie they would always stop by and make small talk about how quiet she had been. Their crappy attempts at apoligizing for thinking such awful thoughts about us on the way in.

As for the pool, swim diapers are just gross. Anyone who tells you they contain the mess are mis informed.

Would it keep me from swiming in a public pool? No. So long as I don't see a brown trail dripping from the diaper. I have probably been exposed to the same or worse each time I eat out but I don't get to see into the kitchen.

Public pools that allow swim diapers do it because they have a proper procedure in place to handle accidents.

The CDC does not trust the cruise lines to follow proper procedure. You would probably need a lifeguard on duty to watch for spills and close the pool. The cruise lines are not willing to pay that salary.

Disney did have people watching for spills on their ships. On our cruise the pool was being scrubbed out more often then it was being used. However they too must abide by the CDC.

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[PeabodyNVL]

Urine would be contamination that chemicals will take care off. When feces contamination happens, the pool has to be drained. That is a big difference.

E Coli is a bacteria that is notoriously hard to get rid of. Many antibiotics are ineffective. The bacteria itself have like little suction cups that adhere to a wall of human tissue and do not want to let go. This is besides being a dangerous and deadly bacteria to people in high risk age groups...children and the elderly.

This is why warnings are posted at pools. The very child who is most susceptible to getting the bacteria and dying from it (an infant) is also the one most likely to spread the bacteria. Parents are not doing their infants any favors by taking them into communal pools. Wait until they are older and their immune systems can handle that type of exposure.

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[Bisous3]

I still would love to see that alleged chemical one could put in a pool that causes a red ring to encirlce anyone who pees in it...
Is that an urban legend?

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[sue d. miller]

If we were to keep all our friendly advice to ourselves, we woun't have a cruise discussion board to ask questions and receive advise from many cruisers, with many different answers. You have also given your opinion today. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[spongerob]

Phenolphthalein? If taken internally, it causes urine to turn red.


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[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Since cruise lines allow children you also choose to travel with children.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kevin,

They also allow smokers to smoke in designated areas so as not to bother the other passengers. You may think your little darling is not a health, safety or comfort concern but to some passengers they are!

The effects of being exposed to children second-hand is as intolerable as the effects of being exposed to second-hand smoke. Passengers are allowed to have tobacco products with them anywhere on the ship but should go to the appropriate area when they light them up to enjoy their "pleasures". The same thing applies to children - you can have them anywhere on the ship but please go to the appropriate area to enjoy your "pleasures".

May you & your little clone(s) enjoy your cruise & leave us to enjoy ours!

[Kevin]

If the cruise lines designate an area as adults only then that area is for use by adults only.

That I know of most cruise lines do not designate many if any areas as adults only.

In this case they have designated the pools for use by potty trained humans only.

Where else on their ships has Princess designated for use only by Kids?

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[Salty Dawg]

Kevin....

On the Golden Princess, the Fun Zone, Off Limits and Voyage of Discovery are all designated for kids. In fact, in Off Limits, they even have their own hot tub, and Fun Zone has a splash pool.

We're not sure if they are smoking or non-smoking though.

Below are the deck plans showing those areas:

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http://www.cruisestateroom.com/847932/GoldenPrincess/images/grand-deck-sun.gif


BTW, the lap pool by the Lotus spa, the Terrace Pool at the stern of the ship, and most of the hot tubs are designated for adults only.

[Bisous3]

Spongerob
Wouldn't it be great if they put that pheno whatever-you-call-it in the food so we'd know who all the peeing culprits are!?? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wouldn't it be great if they put that pheno whatever-you-call-it in the food so we'd know who all the peeing culprits are!??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then the offender could be judged by a jury of their "pee-r's". http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[spongerob]

Ba-da bing! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Kevin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Salty Dawg:
_Kevin...._

On the Golden Princess, the Fun Zone, Off Limits and Voyage of Discovery are all designated for kids. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Due to a typo I asked the wrong question.

I was wondering if Princess has truly designated any areas as adult only?

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[cindersue]

Years ago I went camping with a bunch of friends. We went swimming at a "hot springs pool". There were tons of people, toddlers to adults, there but it was soooo hot I decided to swim anyway.(VERY STUPID MOVE! And before this kind of comtanination was documented)
Well, I ended up with Shegella (sp)and so did 3 other people I went camping with. I ended up in the hospital for 3 days. My Dr. thought I had meningitius. (The symptoms headache, severe stomach pain, very high fever,severe body pains, vomiting and diaherria lasted for weeks!!!!)
I was a full grown healthy adult and was unable to function for 3 weeks. I don't know if an infant or toddler could have survived...

What I don't understand is why if you know this kind of disease can be spread by "Fecal accidents" how you could subject other people to getting sick? Keep the folks all ages in diapers OUT OF THE ADULTS ONLY POOLS! Believe me the diseases you can get can be very serious!!
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[Salty Dawg]

Cindersue,

Thank you for sharing your experience with all of us...
it really illustrates the seriousness of this topic!

[This message was edited by Salty Dawg on 05-02-04 at 10:57 PM.]

[Salty Dawg]

Cindersue,

Thank you for sharing your experience with all of us...
it really illustrates the seriousness of this topic!

[MaryPoppinz]

It's Shigella. It's generally a food-borne (ingested) illness (very similar to E-Coli), but stool infected with Shigella can infect others.

I'd hate to see people leave their little ones home from a cruise, just because they're in diapers. Ditto, older people. The variety of folks onboard is one of the things I enjoy about cruising. But, I think Americans have become sort of generally "un-hardy" in terms of our resistance to illness, and I'd hate to see anyone develop a serious infection on a cruise as a result of something preventable. Especially an infant who might get an illness from another infant who has used a splash pool.

Maybe we could all just generally agree to opt-out of activities where we might possibly put one another at risk. We're not going to use the pools if we don't have bowel control, we won't go on a vigorous shore excursion if we're not fit, we don't use the buffet utensils until we've washed our hands, we stay home and let the cruise insurance kick in if we've got a communicable illness right before sailing.....that sort of common-sense thing. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[MaryPoppinz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starsjohn:
I have a friend that works at corporate at Princess, and I will have her look at the setup at Fashion Island. I know we always stop and watch the kids play.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a brilliant compromise! A continuous fountain for lots of splashing fun; no standing water to trap illness or to increase the risk of drowning; and a bottom surface designed to prevent falls by creating good traction for bare, wet, unsteady feet. What a good idea!!!

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[cindersue]

Hi MaryPoppinz,
Sounds good to me!The Golden Rule would work great!
and Salty Dawg... Your Welcome... I just hope no one ever gets Shigella (now I can spell it)or any other nasty illness from a "pool accident" on a ship...Not a fun way to spend a vacation!Cindy

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[starsjohn]

If any of you have access to the LA Times today, there is a photo of a similar device at Universal Studios on a much larger scale than the one at Fashion Island. The photo shows people of all ages getting heat relief from out heat wave.

You can set the water levels by computer to be suitable just for toddlers or any age group for that matter.

John

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Will you people never "dump" this thread? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[roohound]

Agreed srphnx...it's time to put this one in the crapper....

[srphnx]

And wipe out all traces of it's passing.

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[Salty Dawg]

http://www.heathersanimations.com/Misc/syon01.gif The fountain of youth is going down the drain...

[sue d. miller]

Oh no salty. That fountain was my only hope!!! LOL

Sue
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[WeWant2Cruise4Ever]

To Salty Dawg,

Wih regard to this subject...thank you for expressing what so many of us feel and have a severe intolerance for, but for the most part people are afraid to express because they will "look bad"....therefore the feelings we share look to be the minority...instead of a fair share of cruisers...As a note, Disney Cruise lines has more areas for adults only than your average lines do....restaurants, private island areas, pool area, etc.....and they are supposed to be for families and children....do our lines have restaurants for adults only...and if you suggest it you are given the evil eye. We love children, but we so need our adult time whether it's popular or not. These ships are big enough to have areas that can make everyone happy, all it would take is a little planning and a little enforcement and each and every cruiser would have the vacation they deserve.

[Salty Dawg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>These ships are big enough to have areas that can make everyone happy, all it would take is a little planning and a little enforcement and each and every cruiser would have the vacation they deserve.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well said!

[MaryPoppinz]

This thread is dirty. I'm going to report y'all to your ISPee.

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[Salty Dawg]

Contaminated pools are a dirty subject! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[spongerob]

Especially when it's a gene pool.

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[roohound]

whic type of gene pool is more disutrbing:

contaminated or shallow?

[Salty Dawg]

... or where the gene pool was totally drained leaving only pool scum.

[roohound]

the mind boggles really LOL

[Nitemare]

Can you wear jeans to the pool on formal night?

[roohound]

Don't be silly, Nitemare http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ....jeans are not approrpriate for formal night anywhere...much better to just go without pants altogether!

[Northender]

Flussssshhhhh!!!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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[roohound]

hmmm.....just like DH.....leaving me high and dry in the bathroom LOL

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[crazy4themouse]

How very interesting...

I just spoke with several different people at Princess -- on hold while speaking to a Customer Relations supervisor right now, in fact -- and they have all asserted vehemently that NO children in diapers or swim diapers are allowed in ANY of the pools, period.

They admit that no, there are no signs by the pools (*boggle*) stating such, and I informed him that nowhere on the entire Princess site does it state that -- even amidst the extensive policy listings. He is checking right now to see if it is online *anywhere* for people to see.

He also assured me that people are there to "immediately remove anyone observed in the pool in a diaper or swim diaper." As soon as I have time, I will write an actual letter to push for that info to be added where it needs to be -- with all the other info on the website.

So I feel better, it really is a rule... now they just need to let people actually KNOW it is.

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[Nitemare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He also assured me that people are there to "immediately remove anyone observed in the pool in a diaper or swim diaper <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bonus points to the passenger who removes the most people in diapers convertable to valuable prizes?

[Salty Dawg]

Thank you Crazy4themouse! Even if Princess posts signs & prints the rules in their brochures there is bound to be passengers who feel the rules don't apply to them!

[AmyBeth68]

There were definitely signs, albeit laminated temporary signs, posted at the pools on the Golden Princess 4/10 sailing. It seemed that most parents abided by them. However, there was an incident on our cruise that closed the Neptune Pool for 2 days (I posted about it earlier). I guess it must vary by ship whether there are postings. We did have incidents of norwalk virus on board during our cruise so perhaps that is why the signs were posted.

[crazy4themouse]

Well, if they decide that the rules don't apply to them, I will have no problem pointing them out to a staff member!

The gentleman I spoke with was very nice. He came back on the line and said that he had searched far and wide and indeed could not find this rule posted anywhere officially online or in print.

I told him that I had the CDC report for the Grand from January in front of me, and I found it very puzzling that even after the CDC wrote them up for not having signs, Princess still seemed to not be taking it very seriously. He said he was passing my concern along to senior management, and they would see about getting the rule posted where it should be posted.

And just for the record, I am very much not part of the "anti-kid" bunch... heck, I wouldn't always sail Disney if I was. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif But even when my now-8 year old was a toddler, it would *never* have occured to me to let him swim in swim-diapers... it just seemed like common sense and courtesy to other people. *shrug*

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[roohound]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nitemare:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He also assured me that people are there to "immediately remove anyone observed in the pool in a diaper or swim diaper <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bonus points to the passenger who removes the most people in diapers convertable to valuable prizes?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They should at least give a Princess tote bag or something to the winner LOL

I say if it's a problem, just like Gina, just contact the ship's safety officer, bring up the CDC, and watch them scramble LOL

[This message was edited by roohound on 05-03-04 at 07:31 PM.]

[cindersue]

You know I've been thinking http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif...since babies and children pay full price and therefore are "entitled to all the amenities" onboard the ship why don't we give them cigars, liquor them up and send them down to the casino to gamble too? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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[spongerob]

Nah, Sue, that's just a bad idea. First thing you know, one of the little tykes will take out too many markers, then there will be a terrible row at the purser's desk because the parents will refuse to make good, and besides, they told their kid to stay out of the casino in the first place and no way would he go in there because he's the perfect-est little darling in the world so somebody must have taken his cruise card and used it to gamble then given it back so therefore it's all Princess' fault anyway that he's in debt.

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ROB, you have me ROFLMAO here.

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[NASH99]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You know I've been thinking ...since babies and children pay full price and therefore are "entitled to all the amenities" onboard the ship why don't we give them cigars, liquor them up and send them down to the casino to gamble too? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey Vegas has War I think they would love that!
http://wizardofodds.com/games/war.html
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[Salty Dawg]

http://austshane.tripod.com/lasvegas42.gif But Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

[NASH99]

I think Vegas stole this from the cruise lines.
"what happens in pools stays in pools"
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[cindersue]

Well Spongerob... I guess you are right!Tykes in the casino probably wouldn't work out anyway! They'd have to put all the slots and tables closer to the floor to accomodate them.
As a concession ..How about a "Bar Card" for liquor rather that a "soda card"? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifHehehe Cindy

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[Salty Dawg]

Visions of a "loaded" kid with a "loaded" diaper come to mind... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Northender]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cindersue:
Well Spongerob... I guess you are right!Tykes in the casino probably wouldn't work out anyway! They'd have to put all the slots and tables closer to the floor to accomodate them.
As a concession ..How about a "Bar Card" for liquor rather that a "soda card"? http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifHehehe Cindy

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup they would have to put them closer to the floor but then they could use pottys for the little tykes for seats. They wouldn't have to get up to pee or poop, just have their darling attentive Mama's there to wipe their little tukas. Hey, I'm all for a bar card for them too, just put one of those drink holders on the side - the little darlin's will be busy for hours while Mom and Dad enjoy a stress free, diaper enhanced free pool.
Just stay away from my adult pool and that goes for you too you rotten little hormon raging teenage cannonballers. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Why or why didn't we have those wonderful bathing suits in the 60s when I could have looked that good too.....



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[Salty Dawg]

Baby, I love Princess!

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[cindersue]

TOOO FUNNY!!!!! GREAT JOB GUYS AND GALS!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[i-m-ed]

Ok, I can't resist!!!

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[sue d. miller]

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[Salty Dawg]

The poster, i-m-ed, is just a considerate cruiser who doesn't want to offend anyone when saying...

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[verwirrt]

This thread too funny to put to rest!

Just for the record, Princess does have in print that children in diapers are not allowed in pools.

From Princess Patter last November:

SWIMMING POOLS
...
5. Children in diapers are not permitted in the swimming poos (oops sorry) pools and whirlpool spas.

OK? 'nuff said!

[srphnx]

"OK, 'nuff said" isn't likely to EVER shut this thread down.

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[srphnx]

Double post.. slow board.

<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Salty Dawg]

Butt... butt...

This thread is so fanny...
Really, I meant to say funny!

[srphnx]

Dawg... you are one.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[firegirl33]

srphnx, "Life is at it's best when your address floats "

With this thread that won't be the only thing floating in the pool if some had their way.

Grand Princess 4/4/04

[srphnx]

EWWWWW floaties... not as bad as stinky sinkies though.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Salty Dawg]

Grrrr... careful Srphnx! It takes one to know one!

[srphnx]

I have 7, and I am know I am the BIG dog.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Salty Dawg]

Srphnx,

It doesn't matter how big you are...
Unless you're the lead dog, the view never changes!

I'm glad I am a leader & not a follower! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PS: I do admire you for having 7. Do you ever have to fertilize your lawn?

[Salty Dawg]

Srphnx,

http://d21c.com/walpurgis9/dogs/part4/0002.gif ...from one dog lover to another!

[sue d. miller]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[srphnx]

Well you are a sweet one Salty.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Salty Dawg]

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL...

[sue d. miller]

Thank you, Ken http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Sue,

Have you noticed that my hubby is the serious one & I am the "naughty" one
when it comes to posting? It's true -- opposites really do attract! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[sue d. miller]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That is the absolute truth. Hubby is totally different than me!! I make him crazy!!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Sue,

I thought my hubby was already crazy when he married me.

Heck, marrying me proved it! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[sue d. miller]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Sue,

What are you grinning about? Your own hubby married a Capricorn! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[sue d. miller]

I'm grinning, http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He isn't! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

The diapers in the pool debate is growing on the RCI thread titled "Ways to make a cruise with an 18 month old enjoyable for all?"

[sue d. miller]

I know!! She went from here, to there!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[srphnx]

Glad we got it flushed out of our system.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Pshkbb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sue d. miller:
I know!! She went from here, to there!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

good lord - move on already! I switched boards because we switched cruise lines (not because of the pool issue, thank you very much). I tried to get the posters on RCCL's board to get past the same stupid arguement over there as well. All I was looking for were ways to help my toddler enjoy the cruise and to make it more comfortable for all (out group as well as others on board).

geez.... you guys must enjoy arguing (which is fine by me) but please leave me out of it.





<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[sue d. miller]

You are absolutely right. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You immediately requested the Rc board NOT to include diapers in their responces. They didn't listen. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Pshkbb]

thank you for noticing. Like I said earlier, I did not go over there to cause another discussion to break out and I know it is unavoidable sometimes, I was just trying to bring the topic back to it's original intent as opposed to having it hijacked (so to speak). At least this discussion was started as a specific discussion on infants in the pools.

I really am just looking to make our family trip enjoyable for one and all - if it were up to me, I'd go to Disney and wait to take my child on a cruise when he is old enough to use the kids camp but my family wants to go and I LOVE cruising (and them) so I want to make sure we all enjoy the week on board!

K

[sue d. miller]

Truce!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Have a wonderful cruise. I am sure everything will work out just as you wish it to be. And that little brand new cruiser will have so much fun, the addiction will spread all over the place. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Pshkbb]

thanks - I am sure we will have a great time http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Salty Dawg]

Pshkbb,

Have a great trip. Hope you & your family love RCI so much you continue to cruise with them. Leave Princess to those of us who "enjoy arguing"!


Srphnx & Sue,

Don't put those boxing gloves away yet. Get ready for the next round. (I was going to say round #2 but then certain people would think it meant the topic about leaky swim diapers in the pool again.)

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[sue d. miller]

Always handy. Like a second hand. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif We try so hard to get along, and sometimes they just won't let us be nice. Now poor K, She was just checking on her 18 mo. old, and another poster jumped right in and started the diaper thing. You just can't win. http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[srphnx]

I don't use boxing gloves, so much harder to reload when your hands are covered.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[Salty Dawg]

Srphnx,

So true. Makes it easier to use the Taser too!

[sue d. miller]

OH DAMN!!! I so wanted to say that!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Salty Dawg]

You mean I have to share my title of The Princess of Pain?

[sue d. miller]

YES!!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[srphnx]

NO ladies.. there is room for more than one Princess in my court, for I am the King of the delicous agony.

Life is at it's best when your address floats
<FONT color=red>Alaska</FONT>
Diamond Princess 05/04 ~~ Mercury 06/02
Rhapsody o.t. Seas 05/98 ~~ Legend o.t. Seas 09/95
<FONT color=red>Mexican Riviera</FONT>
Diamond Princess 12/04
Diamond Princess 11/04 ~~ Diamond Princess 04/04
Sea Princess 01/02 ~~ Vision o.t. Seas 04/02<FONT color=red>
West Coast-Baja Mexico</FONT>
Ecstacy 09/01
<FONT color=red>Eastern Carribean</FONT>
Century 12/97
<FONT color=red>Western Carribean</FONT>
Century 9/96

[verwirrt]

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Salty Dawg]

For some disturbing comments read the RCI thread titled...
"Extremely Sensitive Subject About Kids on Ships!"

http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[sue d. miller]

Verwirrt, Aren't you glad you switched dates?? now I would say we are in deep sneakers if Steve was coming too!!!! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[verwirrt]

Oh, my! LMAO thinking about that! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[sue d. miller]

Check out the bringing soda on board post. See what you are in for http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sue
7 days on Star Princess 10/24

[Nitemare]

Can we "dump" this thread finally? It's really getting "offal" in here!

[NASH99]

Nitemare
I think urine the minority here we can not be deturd(SP)
Steve http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Golden 2/04
Grand 11/03
The three most exciting sounds in the world: Anchor chains, plane motors, and train whistles....George Bailey

[Salty Dawg]

Nitemare,

Are you getting pooped out reading about this topic?