New Packing Recommendations needed

[grannynurse]

In light on the new airline measures, I think we can put our heads together to come up with constructive suggestions for cruisers leaving in the next 3 months to compensate for the necessary new regulations. Yes, they may be temporary, but there are people leaving in the next week or two who will benefit from some group brainstorming.
Let's not let this become a forum for outrage which we know we share, just let's present ideas to help ourselves and others comply with the changes.
Grannynurse

[Starbright]

We will be travelling to Vancouver in seven weeks' time. What concerns me most about the packing situation is what do you do with your cameras?

DH and I are both very keen photographers and one of the joys of our holidays or cruises is the photographs we take. I also like to bring a camcorder. We certainly wouldn't be happy to put them in our hold luggage. Even if they weren't in danger of being stolen we wouldn't want to risk the rough handling that that kind of baggage gets!

Our upcoming cruise is a special "holiday of a lifetime" for us to celebrate my retirement. This situation is beginning to take some of the excitement away. :(

[esther e]

Jewelry is also a consideration. I have some lovely pieces and wouldn't want to pack them in checked bagggage.

[barriesdad]

We will be travelling to Vancouver in seven weeks' time. What concerns me most about the packing situation is what do you do with your cameras?

DH and I are both very keen photographers and one of the joys of our holidays or cruises is the photographs we take. I also like to bring a camcorder. We certainly wouldn't be happy to put them in our hold luggage. Even if they weren't in danger of being stolen we wouldn't want to risk the rough handling that that kind of baggage gets!

Our upcoming cruise is a special "holiday of a lifetime" for us to celebrate my retirement. This situation is beginning to take some of the excitement away. :(

My DW and I leave 2 weeks on Saturday for Ottawa for the start of our Silver Wedding Anniversary celebrations which culminate in our long awaited 1st cruise. We are already planning to take 3 cases so how we are going to fit the carry-on items in as well I don't know. I too am not happy about putting cameras, camcorders, mobile phones etc etc in hold luggage.

Hopefull this will be a very short term measure and we get back to some sort of normality quite quickly.

Lloyd

[Host Walt]

The best advice for now is to relax and see what develops (unless you are traveling in the next few days).

The rules being announced today are preventive because the actual event is still unwinding and the concern is the possibility that one or more of the threats can still be carried out.

Once the issue is contained, rules will be established for future travel taht will not be responsive to the immediate threats but will be appropriately precationary.

Example. Today no books or papers are permitted from England to the US, but they are fine on domestic US flights. Tomorrow, I suspect, the rules will be refined down to a more desirable level.

[Krazy Kruizers]

I am very concerned about the jewelry. I do not want to pack it in my suitcase.

And if I wear everything, they will make me take it off at security and something could be stolen there.

We were going to buy a new camera - but will wait and see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

[vie lee]

Hi - GN Just got up and was listening to the news. I thought we just couldn't take liquids. Now it is sounding like you can't take any carry ons.
There are a lot of things I take in my carry on that I wouldn't dream of putting in my regular checked baggage. Jewerly being the #1. Since we are flying into Seattle a day before I am thinking that we will just go to a drug store and buy some things like toothpaste, hairspray, etc. use them on the ship then leave them. That could be a real hassel?problem for those flying in the day of the cruise, but its the best suggestion I have.

Vie Lee

[Host Walt]

Hi - GN Just got up and was listening to the news. I thought we just couldn't take liquids. Now it is sounding like you can't take any carry ons...

That's only for pax in the UK on flights to the USA. That's not the case, necessarily, on domestic US flights.

[Starbright]

In actual fact it's on ALL flights out of the UK at the moment, wherever they are going. Those travelling on flights to the USA are having to undergo further screening at the boarding gate.

[Host Walt]

Click here to see the latest information for US travelers:

TSA (http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm)

[KAYEF]

I loaded up on the TSA locks this time, planning to lock my carry-ons as well, since we will be on a small plane from here to Vancouver and they usually take your carry -ons at the door and put them below..........and since we will be on land on our own once we disembark in Seward.
I was able to find them at Radio Shack, Target, Wal-Mart.........they're getting easier to find. (no time to order online, but they're there as well)
On our really long cruise (24 days) I took all kinds of jewelry........decided to take none this time............just what I wear. Maybe I'm getting better and will pack even fewer clothes.:)
Our safety, not our convenience, should be our prime concern and the TSA will be doing all it can to insure that.

[ANSalberg]

I'm sorry, but this HAS to be the most incredibly STUPID "rules" yet!

[jhannah]

As Walt says, measures we might think extreme are being taken right now. But these will flesh out over the next few weeks and we'll have solid info on how to pack. My understanding is as Walt noted ... no carryons only is applying to flights from the UK to the US right now, and no liquids except for baby formula and proven necessary medications.

I'm so thankful we rescheduled our cruise. We originally had yesterday's sailing of the Noordam booked, but changed for scheduling reasons. Otherwise, we'd be flying into London in 9 days.

[Tinknock50]

Thanks Walt for the TSA link.

Only packing instructions regard liquids in carry-ons.

Says nothing about cameras , jewelry ,etc.
Curious as to what was the source about photo equiptment in carryons?
Where did you hear that?

Kudos to the British authourities who foiled this plot! At this time they are not sure if it has been completely resolved.

[serendipity1499]

First of all I thank all those who uncovered this plot & those wonderful people who constantly put themselves in danger & work so hard to try to keep us safe..My prayers go out to these special people...

The TSA has not addressed this at the moment, but imagine that arriving ship passengers who have purchased spirits outside of the US, will have a major problem at US Airports.. Those who have purchased liquor & wine will probably not be permitted to carry it as hand luggage in the foreseeable future... And most is not packed well enough to be shipped as cargo or baggage....

However, our good friends have the right idea which they have done for years...They individually pack their liquor in large plastic sealed bags & wrap laundry & clothing around these bags to be shipped in their checked luggage... It is well packed & They've never had breakage ... Once they even had a lost a piece of luggage, which the airline eventually found & shipped to their home within a few days..The liquor was still intact in the lost bag..

We usually don't purchase liquor on our trips as my DH does not want the hassle of carrying it home, but I've pre-packed one or two bubble sheets to wrap around breakables that I can't resist..You can use the 2 gal Zip Lock bags which are quite strong to protect your clothing..Of course you can always have it shipped home but that would probably negate any savings except on high priced liquors..

You can do that with any liquids, but I have never packed anything that is in a spray can in my luggage..I've heard of these cans exploding in luggage & ruining clothing..:eek:

As far as Jewelry, PC's & Cameras etc., I too would not want to pack these things in our luggage..But as Walt stated, we will just have to wait & see what the TSA comes up with..

[serendipity1499]

I'm sorry, but this HAS to be the most incredibly STUPID "rules" yet!

You must be kidding...Have you been keeping up with the news today! Why in heavens name do you consider this stupid?:confused:

Would you want to be on an Aircraft that is in danger of being blown up by a liquid that looks like a fellow passengers water bottle..:rolleyes: Wake up & smell the coffee!

I worked at JFK for years & know many Customs officials..They've seen Women with Babies picked up at JFK with drugs smuggled in what looks like baby formula!

This is one of the smartest things the GB & US officials have done...

[JayS]

I once flew to Israel on El AL. They opened the camera and operated the shutter. My advise would unless or until TSA says anything would be not to load your camera. Digital cameras should be ok.

The 12noon News said any liquid creme or paste should be checked.

PS I wonder if the British used telephone tapping that the ACLU wants baned.

[elmorejj]

Magellans travel store sells a great item for packing liquor or any breakable item. I have three of them and have used them travelling all over the world. They are inflatable wrappers, about 18 ins. in length and 10 ins. in depth. You blow them up, wrap them around the item, and they fasten with velcro. I`ve never had a bad incident with them and have used them a dozen times or more.........jean:cool:

[papadave]

If you can still bring a purse, limit your jewelry to what fits in there. Don't bring a brand new camera. If you can leave electronics at home, then make do. This is not being imposed to inconvenience travellers, it is in response to the possiblity of dangerous activity. These are measures being taken to protect your life, the lives of people you know, and others you do not know. Unfortunately, we all need to bear the burden for a little while. Let the TSA work out a balance. Maybe that means buying shampoo after you get off an airplane. Maybe it just means using supplies that are already onboard a ship.

[karen2cruz]

Thanks for the thread Grannynurse. As we leave in two weeks this would be helpful to keep updating. I wonder about aerosol cans as well; not listed, but there are some hyper vigilant TSA that might include that.

I can deal with double bagging everything, but these weigh a lot and that affects the weight limit in my checked luggage, sigh. Good thing I have travel size bottle of toiletries/make-up that I can refill, and are much smaller than what I use at home on a daily basis.

So glad I am not going to the UK this year. Trying to pack last year was a challenge and now that everything has to be checked - yikes. It wouldnt be a big problem, except there is so much theft from baggage handlers.

My daughter and I had our vacation to the UK 1 week after the bombings last year and we were a nervous wreck; between that and the restrictive luggage requirements now, I would highly consider canceling any overseas travel.

[Mlascheid]

The bottom line here is SAFETY! Agreed that these new rules are an inconvenience, but that's all that they are....an inconvenience!! Any rule that ensures the safety of airline passengers should be accepted without question. I am happy to comply! The safety of my family is of the utmost importance to me...I'd much arrive at my destination alive and well than be blown up in an airplane because someone had explosives in a liquid/gel thay were able to carry on the plane. It's no big deal to put the prohibited liquids in checked baggage. A very big THANK YOU to those officials that uncoverd this potential disaster...many innocent lives would have been lost.

[Tinknock50]

If you can still bring a purse, limit your jewelry to what fits in there. Don't bring a brand new camera. If you can leave electronics at home, then make do. This is not being imposed to inconvenience travellers, it is in response to the possiblity of dangerous activity. These are measures being taken to protect your life, the lives of people you know, and others you do not know. Unfortunately, we all need to bear the burden for a little while. Let the TSA work out a balance. Maybe that means buying shampoo after you get off an airplane. Maybe it just means using supplies that are already onboard a ship.

papadave,

There is nothing about electronics on the TSA website....just liquids and gels which must be packed in checked luggage so the powerful scanners can detect for explosives.

No problem bringing a good camera since according to the TSA I can carry it on. Says nothing about putting your camera in checked luggage.

The only major restrictions on carryons that I have seen are flights to and from Britain

[Mlascheid]

Opps... Sorry...forgot to add new packing recommendations. Obviously, the easiest thing would be to pack the prohibited items in your checked luggage. If that isn't an option, then possibly your taxi driver could make a quick stop at a grocery/drugstore on your way to the port. If you are traveling to a port ahead of your scheduled departure and staying in a hotel then you could take a trip too the local store for needed items. Some hotels have small convenience-type stores in their lobbies. These suggestions are only for the new rule that prohibits carrying on liquids/gels.

[cactuslady]

Who knows what the ultimate restrictions will be, but perhaps the following might help with the restrictions on liquids:

It is possible to get hand and body "lotion" in solid cakes. Found one on the internet called Hamptons Hideaway. I have a boutique brand that is like a bar of soap, stored in a metal tin; works well.

The new Schick Intuition Razor for women has a solid cake around the blades that turns into shaving cream when you use it. This will avoid the need to carry separate shaving cream or gel. I got one in anticipation of our upcoming Europe trip, but have not tried it yet.

And the older ones among us will remember the old-fashioned soap that comes in bars instead of pump bottles. ;)

I'm sure capitalist ingenuity will solve the toothpaste issue in short order, if it has not already. If you are traveling soon, I'd make a quick trip to the nearest drugstore and look around.

[Pudgesmom]

I sometimes wrap liquids or cosmetics in plastic bags, then put them in shoes. Athletic or mens' shoes offer a solid, protected base for that shampoo you can't travel without! I have never had a problem with breakage or spillage with items checked in this fashion.

Beth

[lka1012]

First. do not panic! So far the ban on liquids has ben carry ons. And the ban on carry-ons, will probably lessen as the days go by, However, it is good to have a contingency plan. I was wondering about that myself this morning. Since I do travel with my laptop, camera, etc; I would probably go to the nearest "shipping" store and have them pack and ship my stuff either to my home address, or the hotel I would stay at prior to the cruise.

Yes, I it would cost a fortune, so would the insurance I would buy, but I would know it would arrive intact.

Unfortunately in todays world, this type of event can happen at anytime, so it is best to be prepared. You should always have a back up plan to get you and your stuff home.

[Tinknock50]

First. do not panic! So far the ban on liquids has ben carry ons. And the ban on carry-ons, will probably lessen as the days go by........

Kathy,
What ban on carryons? Have not seen one in US. The only ban is on British flights at this time. Certainly no ban at Phoenix airport on carryons, according to the news. Nothing about a ban on carryons on the TSA site.

[Robin7]

What ban on carryons? Have not seen one in US. The only ban is on British flights at this time. Certainly no ban at Phoenix airport on carryons, according to the news. Nothing about a ban on carryons on the TSA site.

To reiterate, the ban on carryons is for flights from the UK to the USA. Only liquids, gels and pastes have been banned from being carried on here in the United States. My husband flies out this afternoon (to that terrorist hotspot of Fargo, North Dakota ;) ) so he's been following this story with meticulous attention.

He flies every week for business. When we saw the breaking news late last night, we immediately wondered how we (the USA) would react. Now we know. He'll miss his water, but it's better to be safe than sorry right now.

We're also wondering if the ban on liquids will be permanent. What a pain. We always both carry (and drink!) a liter of water on flights. It's so dry up there! When we had the Olympics here (Salt Lake City), they made us drink from our containers when entering the venues. They also made us snap photos to show our cameras were, indeed, cameras. Maybe the TSA will institute something like that.

There are just so many evil people in our world! It's sad.

Robin

[lka1012]

Sorry, I did not mean to cause alarm. Most likely in the next few days, the flights from the UK that have banned carry-ons will relax their restrictions. However, in today's world it always helps to have a back-up plan, because who knows when the next event will happen.

[Oceanwench]

While people should not panic about what lies down the road for us in airline travel, this is a good time to brainstorm here with fellow travelers and think about how to handle the present restrictions -- and those that may be instituted in the future.

After all, yesterday you could take a bottle of water on a flight from Cleveland to New York City; today you can't.
Restrictions can be levied [or removed] at a moment's notice.

I think it's great that people share their ideas here.
While I am not flying anywhere in the near future, both my daughters will be. I'm grateful for some of the tips that are being shared.

Also, JayS --> the comment about the ACLU was inappropriate in this forum. Leave your politics at the door please.

[Stillfloatin']

I've been trying to get more details of just how the terrorists were going to emplement their plans using the "gels" and "liquids" but haven't seen anything yet. Maybe those facts haven't been released, but here is what I was wondering: Couldn't those same "gels" and "liquids" blow up in the checked luggage in the hold?

Where will all this end? Concievably, some terrorist somewhere will come up with a way to blow up planes using common-looking stuff in his checked baggage. Then what? No baggage at all permitted? We can plan now for dealing with this latest crisis in travel but how can we possible plan for tomorrow's next crisis?

Hmm, I'm not usually this negative, guess I'm just discouraged by how much hatred it takes to commit so much evil.

[Host Walt]

I've been trying to get more details of just how the terrorists were going to emplement their plans using the "gels" and "liquids" but haven't seen anything yet. Maybe those facts haven't been released, but here is what I was wondering: Couldn't those same "gels" and "liquids" blow up in the checked luggage in the hold?

Where will all this end? Concievably, some terrorist somewhere will come up with a way to blow up planes using common-looking stuff in his checked baggage. Then what? No baggage at all permitted? We can plan now for dealing with this latest crisis in travel but how can we possible plan for tomorrow's next crisis?

Hmm, I'm not usually this negative, guess I'm just discouraged by how much hatred it takes to commit so much evil.

In an extended interview I heard this morning, the plan was rather intricate and sophisticated and involved several passengers boarding separately with individually "benign" items (one a soda, another a radio with a battery, a third with jelly - or what appeared to be standard sandwich ingredients, etc.) that could be combined on board to create an explosive device that would be strong enough to pierce the skin of the aircraft. That would cause a cataclysmic destruction of the entire plane and cause all passengers and luggage to be propelled into the atmosphere. No need to continue the description.

[Mustang349]

Go to the following news sight and it gives the current carry on rules for US carriers. Obviously things can change.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207765,00.html

[Stillfloatin']

Thank you Walt for the info. Rather frightening to hear but at least for now, it doesn't appear as though it could happen in checked luggage. Thank goodness.

[Tinknock50]

I've been trying to get more details of just how the terrorists were going to emplement their plans using the "gels" and "liquids" but haven't seen anything yet. Maybe those facts haven't been released, but here is what I was wondering: Couldn't those same "gels" and "liquids" blow up in the checked luggage in the hold?

Where will all this end? Concievably, some terrorist somewhere will come up with a way to blow up planes using common-looking stuff in his checked baggage. Then what? No baggage at all permitted? We can plan now for dealing with this latest crisis in travel but how can we possible plan for tomorrow's next crisis?

Hmm, I'm not usually this negative, guess I'm just discouraged by how much hatred it takes to commit so much evil.

Its as Walt said.
The scanners that check luggage in the hold will detect the explosive ingredient needed to make the mix. The scanners are much stronger than the carryon scanners.

[Oceanwench]

From all I've read and heard, the "ingredients" were to be assembled onboard.
If the items [gels, etc.] have to be put into checked luggage, then the pax have no access to them.
Individually, the items are harmless.

One of these days we'll all be flying in the nude ...

[RevNeal]

1. Anything that can be bought aboard ship, at the airport, in route from airport to ship, or during a pre-cruise lay over, should be bought there and then and NOT transported via aircraft in either checked luggage or carry-on luggage. Yes, this may well be a little more expensive and a little less convenient, but it's safer all around and it means you won't have to accommodate the weight in your luggage.

2. Of course we know that this means that smuggling of booze from home to the ship is, effectively, nixed. :D Sure, one can buy at the port of departure and still smuggle aboard, but that's going to be as expensive -- or more expensive -- than buying aboard ship. So ... don't bother.

3. Anything liquid/gel/paste items that you MUST bring with you from home should be backed in liquid-safe packaging and stored in your checked luggage. Even if this means you dig it out once you collect your luggage at the airport and carry it with you to the ship, that's simply the way it will have to be until such time as this changes. I suggest packing anything liquid in liquid safe packages and burring them in the MIDDLE of clothing for added impact protection.

4. Regarding liquid refreshment on flight ... has provision been made for the medical needs of some/many relative to lengthy pressurized flight? For instance, are airlines/TSA providing bottled water that one can pick up when boarding the aircraft? Yes, I know, flight attendants are suppposed to provide in-flight hydration, but it is sometimes the better part of an hour before they get around to us plebes in the back of the plane -- and, then, it's the stingy equivalent of about a thimble full -- and in that length of time medical emergencies can occur if one doesn't have the ability to self-hydrate. If no provision has been made in this direction, but if these restrictions are slated to be continued indefinitely, then some form of legislation should be pushed through congress to require such provision. That may be the only way to address a problem such is this if no other recourse appears possible (and, going how government bureaucracy works, such may become the case).

[hammybee]

Thanks for the thread grannynurse.

I have to say the first thought I had when I heard about this and the specualation that this might become SOP for domestic flights in the U.S. was the college kid routine. By this I mean all the kids that need to get to or return from school and do so while striving to comply with weight minimums, for checked luggage.

Has anyone seen some of these kids? They have so many layers of clothes piled on them they can barely straighten their arms. Once on board, it becomes the "Peeling Onion " show.

While most of us are loath to consider something similar, wearing a few layers might offset the risk of lost or delayed luggage. Many newscasters speculated that carry-ons could also include our beloved handbags, if additional security precautions were deemed necessary in the U.S.

It makes the most sense to me to limit or leave the jewels at home. The most important, of course, is medicine for those that have to take it. I have visions of thousands of people clutching their vials of meds, as they board flights.

BTW, the international airlines, with the best track records for safety, have restricted carry-on luggage for years. They do not compromise passenger and collateral safety with passenger convenience.

[RevNeal]

One of these days we'll all be flying in the nude ...

DANG IT.
You beat me to that punch line by just 5 minutes!!!!! :(

I fully expect that, by 2010, they will be running US through the hand-luggage scanners, not just our bags. I can see it now, we come up to security and they have us take out our lap tops, etc, and run them through. They then have us lay down and they run US through, too!

"Congratulations, Rev. Neal. You are cleared to fly on American Airlines. Nice underwear, by the way, but don't you think that pokadotted elephants are something of a fashion no-no?????"

"Please step into the next line, remove your clothing, submit to full body-cavity search, and then proceed to dress in disposable paper clothing which we will provide you for the duration of your flight."

"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. We will be boarding the aircraft by groups, today. Following boarding, but before we push back from the gate, a flight attendant will be by to administer your injection that will render you comatose for the duration of the flight. A listing of TSA approved in-flight dreams can be found on page 28 of the "American Way" Magazine."

[RevNeal]

It makes the most sense to me to limit or leave the jewels at home. The most important, of course, is medicine for those that have to take it. I have visions of thousands of people clutching their vials of meds, as they board flights.
Strange. If Oceanwench is correct and we all end up flying in the nude, I have mental images of guys clutching something else while boarding flights. :eek::rolleyes::cool:;) Terms like "family" and "jewels" come to mind. :D

Good ... now I'm laughing again. That's a good sign.

[AlohaPride]

DANG IT.
You beat me to that punch line by just 5 minutes!!!!! :(

I fully expect that, by 2010, they will be running US through the hand-luggage scanners, not just our bags. I can see it now, we come up to security and they have us take out our lap tops, etc, and run them through. They then have us lay down and they run US through, too!

"Congratulations, Rev. Neal. You are cleared to fly on American Airlines. Nice underwear, by the way, but don't you think that pokadotted elephants are something of a fashion no-no?????"

"Please step into the next line, remove your clothing, submit to full body-cavity search, and then proceed to dress in disposable paper clothing which we will provide you for the duration of your flight."

"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. We will be boarding the aircraft by groups, today. Following boarding, but before we push back from the gate, a flight attendant will be by to administer your injection that will render you comatose for the duration of the flight. A listing of TSA approved in-flight dreams can be found on page 28 of the "American Way" Magazine."

Adam and Eve were nekked, looks like by 2010 we might be coming full circle!

[HeatherInFlorida]

Here's an idea: They could figure a way to take all the confiscated items from people going thru Security and move them to a nice little kiosk for those people getting off the planes.

Sort of a nice exchange. Bring your toiletries to the gate, leave them there and pick up the ones on the other end.

Nothing goes to waste that way!

Just ignore me ... I'm flying out in the morning and I'm in a bit of an anxiety attack:) .

[hammybee]

Strange. If Oceanwench is correct and we all end up flying in the nude, I have mental images of guys clutching something else while boarding flights. :eek::rolleyes::cool:;) Terms like "family" and "jewels" come to mind. :D

Good ... now I'm laughing again. That's a good sign.
__________________________________________________ ___________

I swear I had the "family" in my original post but deleted it to let someone else go for it. We need to keep our sense of humor as it may be all we have.

[grannynurse]

Please no flaming, even though it goes against my ideals of cruising... I think I agree with a CC member who mentioned that the cruise lines suspend formal nights for the present while we get through this period of packing restrictions.
I still couldn't give up my smelly stuff but I would use the Elemis products, and pack only one can of hairspray in my luggage.
Another thing, anyone notice that the sundries in the onboard shop run out very quickly. Even though HAL orders months in advance, they could consider stocking more "essentials" in the shops, some shipboard soul could even go to Costco; it would be especially easy in SEATTLE. I know the purchasing Division would have a cow....but it's better than having a ship full of smelly pax having bad hair days.
GN

[RevNeal]

Adam and Eve were nekked, looks like by 2010 we might be coming full circle!

Yeah ... but Eve talked to a snake and they both got to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In other words ... they got to have FUN. I don't consider sitting in coach on an airplane in the NUDE while a Islamic Terrorist highjacks the flight FUN.

[RevNeal]

Please no flaming, even though it goes against my ideals of cruising... I think I agree with a CC member who mentioned that the cruise lines suspend formal nights for the present while we get through this period of packing restrictions.

This is not a flame, it is a question.
What would be solved by cancelling formal nights for the duration (i.e., forever)? I mean ... when was the last time someone wore a liquid Tuxedo or a liquid dress? I just don't see how one leads to the other? It certainly wouldn't make any difference in my packing.
If your issue is cosmetics -- stinkum, stickum, etc., -- there are other options, including ones aboard ship, for dealing with the issue other than suspending formal nights.
In short ... unless you can show me how it would help, I don't see the need.

[36kruzes]

Here's a suggestion for the cruise lines, in particular, and even hotels around the country and world should take note: stock up on more varieties of mini-toiletries for travelers and charge a reasonable price for them in your shops.

It would behoove cruise lines/hotels to do this as it would make travel easier for all, and might even discourage some people from just canceling travel plans for some time to come, which is going to be really costly, I'm sure.

Some people are extra picky about toothpastes, shampoos, etc. But in light of what's going on, how awful would it be to use some other brand for a few days, especially if it's convenient?

If that doesn't work, and if there's time before sailing, for example, rushing to a drugstore that stocks mini or travel versions of some favorite items is an alternative. If you're just traveling to another city, that's easy, buy what you want when you get there.

[Dog Mommie]

Here's an idea: They could figure a way to take all the confiscated items from people going thru Security and move them to a nice little kiosk for those people getting off the planes.

Sort of a nice exchange. Bring your toiletries to the gate, leave them there and pick up the ones on the other end.

Nothing goes to waste that way!

Just ignore me ... I'm flying out in the morning and I'm in a bit of an anxiety attack:) .


Great idea, Heather!;)

I actually had my nail clippers taken away at ATL (my stupidity:rolleyes: ) and the guard suggested looking around at my final destination for replacements!:D

Have a good flight, Heather!

[HeatherInFlorida]

I wouldn't flame either, because we're all so confused right now. But what would be the point of not having formal evenings?:) The only issue here is liquids and gels that can't be in your carry-on. But all that can still go in your checked luggage. Nothing is really that different.

The biggest difficulty was for the poor people arriving at airports this a.m. with no idea in the world what they were in for. So it was mass confusion. But over the coming days it will all be laid out clearly and will be no different than when we couldn't carry sissors, knives and pointed objects.

Too late for my trip in the morning, but for my next normal domestic flight I'm going to have someone buy me the little travel size things to have at the other end. If you know anyone where you're going you can mail out a little toiletries kit in advance. There are so many things we'll figure out as we go along.

But most of all, we have to continue as normally as possible. We have to live as we have as best we can. We must let these evil people know that we're not wimps, that we can adjust and we ain't down yet. Otherwise they win and that's not acceptable.

[Stillfloatin']

Heck, if we're going to exchange toiletries, why not clothes too? We just disrobe and put them in the proper size bin before boarding, and find something we like when we arrive. But oh oh, just imagine all of us women fighting over the cute stuff! :eek:

[RevNeal]

Heck, if we're going to exchange toiletries, why not clothes too? We just disrobe and put them in the proper size bin before boarding, and find something we like when we arrive. But oh oh, just imagine all of us women fighting over the cute stuff! :eek:

THAT's the spirit!!!!! :D
I like you! ;)

[jhannah]

Here's an idea: They could figure a way to take all the confiscated items from people going thru Security and move them to a nice little kiosk for those people getting off the planes.. I like it! What a great service idea for the airport information volunteers.

[Tinknock50]

I think grannynurse meant to offset the extra weight of putting liguids and gels in your checked luggage by leaving your formal clothes at home.

In that regard , I have another suggestion...pack all your extra shoes in your carryon to compensate somewhat for the extra weight of toiletries in your checked luggage. Keeps it under the weight limits.

By the way, I heard that if the plot had not been foiled, it is estimated 4000 could have been killed. Kind of makes our packing concerns pale in comparison,does'nt it?

[Stillfloatin']

THAT's the spirit!!!!! :D
I like you! ;)

Ah shucks, now ya got me blushin'

[lka1012]

Terms like "family" and "jewels" come to mind.

Rev, as we say around these parts, "You ain't right!!"

I guess all we can do about this stuff, it to find something to laugh about.

[hammybee]

But oh oh, just imagine all of us women fighting over the cute stuff! :eek:
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Exactly what "cute stuff" are you refering to?

[Scrumpy]

"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. We will be boarding the aircraft by groups, today. Following boarding, but before we push back from the gate, a flight attendant will be by to administer your injection that will render you comatose for the duration of the flight. A listing of TSA approved in-flight dreams can be found on page 28 of the "American Way" Magazine."

I actually LIKE that idea! Prices would go up, though. The flight attendants would have to get extra training to give the injections.

[AlohaPride]

I actually LIKE that idea! Prices would go up, though. The flight attendants would have to get extra training to give the injections.

I thought it was a good idea too...until I came to the question - what to do with those who have allergies to the medication? It WOULD be nice to board a plane and sleep the whole time.

[winegirl]

We have been winnowing down our packed items for several years, since 9/11. I put most everything in ziplock bags, then in the suitcase. I check the airline weight and dimension limits since they differ from airline to airline, and some, especially European airlines, are very strict about enforcing those limits.

I leave expensive jewelry at home. I have been buying cubic zirconium pieces for travel and have had people stop me to admire that "huge" canary diamond ring! So those will go in the checked baggage. I can deal with putting toiletries and makeup in checked baggage, as well as medications that I don't need on the plane.

Despite the fact that we have TSA approved locks, our locks were broken by TSA. OUr suitcases are always opened and inspected, since we find little notices inside them when they are retrieved, unlocked. You really cannot "lock" or secure your belongings from TSA personnel. I am sure they are all honest, etc. However, I have grave misgivings about packing our digital camera, cell phone and even our electronic keys for our auto, which we will leave in the airport long term parking. Last time we came back from an airline flight, our luggage was missing for several days, even though we saw it delivered to TSA people in Chicago. We also experience significant damage to our luggage by baggage handlers. I would NEVER put anything breakable in the luggage.

We are cruising the inside passage from Seattle in September. If the situation doesn't clear up within a few weeks, I think we'll have to ship our camera, cell phone and other valuables that we need on the trip to our hotel via fed express or UPS. We will have to ship them back to our house the same way. That way, we can insure the items and they don't have to go through the airline security. This would work within the USA but I'm not sure what you can do if you are travelling outside the US, given that there are customs clearances needed for shipments.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Tinknock, you are so right. When you think of what could have happened, this is a very small inconvenience. I'll happily do whatever they ask me to.

We'll all just learn to pack differently. Only stuff in my checked luggage is my clothing and my toiletries. Camera, cellphone, jewelery come with me. Domestically we can take our electronic devices, but they say smaller is easier than larger.

Just glad I wasn't at the airport early this a.m. when all this went into effect. What a mess that had to be!!

[Aussie Gal]

As we are leaving for the U.S. in under 6 weeks time, I have just been reading both Qantas and the TSA circulars on what we can bring on board the planes.

On both pamphlets, nowhere does it mention that we cannot bring our cameras on board. I know it is a completely different scenario if we were flying to the U.K.

We cannot bring on board liquids and gels, which will now be packed into our normal luggage. With regard to perfumes, I always carry the minature sizes for travel and they will go into a plastic bag into my normal luggage as well.

Other than rearranging our carry on luggage (I usually put my toiletries and hair shampoos in there, instead I may put my shoes) we will still be able to carry our jewellery and books on board the aircraft.

Jennie

[Jemima]

We've been packing cosmetics & toiletries in our checked bags ever since 9/11. (Early on some airport security wasn't allowing some of these in carry-ons or else we thought they weren't.)
We use a fold-up cosmetic case which unfolds to hang on the bathroom door. We place the folded case in a plastic bag and then put it in one of our checked bags. We've never had any problems with this.

[fcorey]

If you can still bring a purse, limit your jewelry to what fits in there. Don't bring a brand new camera. If you can leave electronics at home, then make do. This is not being imposed to inconvenience travellers, it is in response to the possiblity of dangerous activity. These are measures being taken to protect your life, the lives of people you know, and others you do not know. Unfortunately, we all need to bear the burden for a little while. Let the TSA work out a balance. Maybe that means buying shampoo after you get off an airplane. Maybe it just means using supplies that are already onboard a ship.

This is fine for vacation travel. Theives dont care if a camera is new, I had a 3MP compact camera taken form a bag. Forgot I put it in the checked bag, and got a surprise when i got home. For that reason I rarely take my DSLR because of bulk and its value. I have in the past and I'd never put it in checked baggage as it far exceeds the limits they would cover on insurance.
Work travel is another matter entirely. I have to carry atleast my IBM laptop and occasionally my macbook as well. There is no way I would trust either of them to be checked, to much of a chance of theft there too.
I dont care if they ask me to turn it on and prove that its a functioning computer, they are doing their job. As for leaving liquid at home, or in checked luggage thats fine with me. The main thing is to cooperate with TSA, be patient, and not lose one's temper at the delays

[fcorey]

DANG IT.
You beat me to that punch line by just 5 minutes!!!!! :(

I fully expect that, by 2010, they will be running US through the hand-luggage scanners, not just our bags. I can see it now, we come up to security and they have us take out our lap tops, etc, and run them through. They then have us lay down and they run US through, too!

"Congratulations, Rev. Neal. You are cleared to fly on American Airlines. Nice underwear, by the way, but don't you think that pokadotted elephants are something of a fashion no-no?????"

"Please step into the next line, remove your clothing, submit to full body-cavity search, and then proceed to dress in disposable paper clothing which we will provide you for the duration of your flight."

"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. We will be boarding the aircraft by groups, today. Following boarding, but before we push back from the gate, a flight attendant will be by to administer your injection that will render you comatose for the duration of the flight. A listing of TSA approved in-flight dreams can be found on page 28 of the "American Way" Magazine."

Greg, you have a great sense of humor, a little twisted, I like that :)

[grannynurse]

Hey Greg,
Sean is right, I was trying to offset weight. I should have said so.
I do like the idea of putting shoes in the carryon, great suggestion!

I also think that the cruiselines should add to their onboard stock of small necessary items, especially now.

I had no idea this thread would take on a life of its' own but I'm pleased to see all the really good suggestions.
Thanks everyone,
GN

[Scrumpy]

This is fine for vacation travel...
Work travel is another matter entirely. I have to carry atleast my IBM laptop and occasionally my macbook as well. There is no way I would trust either of them to be checked, to much of a chance of theft there too.
I dont care if they ask me to turn it on and prove that its a functioning computer, they are doing their job...

In anticipation of the rules tightening even further, I am going to start researching for a hard-sided laptop case that could be locked using a TSA lock - just in case. Our Plan B at the moment is a very slightly larger than carry-on size suitcase that would hold the laptop and his clothes. It can be locked and checked in. DH's work is almost 100% travel and he would be lost without his laptop. Everything is backed up here at home, but if he were to turn up at the opposite end of a flight without his computer, it would not be good.

[Tinknock50]

I have heard nothing about putting cameras or laptops in checked baggage.

They are only talking about toiletries in checked luggage. No big deal.

As long as we find a way to seal it properly, should work fine.

Barely an incovenience.

[Scrumpy]

About laptops, cameras, etc., in carry-on luggage, it hasn't happened here. No, not here. Not yet. But, at the moment on flights between the UK and the US, you can't have any electronics. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to be prepared. At the moment, people are merely brain-storming about how to cope with current and perhaps future changes. It is more challenging for some of us than for others to give up certain items - regardless of monetary value. There are a few choice items that some of us do not ever like to let out of our sight - for whatever personal reason and regardless of whether anyone else shares our feelings. Whether we have to give those up will likely impact the amount of unnecessary air travel we undertake. As much as I take this seriously, I also have personal preferences and reservations, some strong enough to make me re-evaluate future voluntary travel plans. In the meantime, DH has no choice but to travel and I don't want any last-minute changes to make his life more difficult.

[kikiwik]

so far i don't have a huge problem with the restricitons i'll just pack more of my clothing in my carry on bag and pack restricted items in my checked luggage. THe only thing that i have a problem with is not being able to have a bottle of water with you. Thats the only way i can get thru a flight is having my bottle of water to sip on during take off before they start bringing you around drinks. I have anxity to begin with and being in a closed in space doesn't help so that water is somthing that calms me believe it or not. I hope that the restrictions will be a little bit better in the coming weeks. For now i'm just glad they caught them.

[OceanFantasys]

RevNeal you have made me laugh so hard during some of these posts you have enlightened us with today.:p I got some really bad news today and was told that my cancer has spread into my liver. I also have it in my bones. I was sad:( until I read your posts that made be burst out laughing. :D So thank you for that. Not letting this cancer monster ruin my life. Leaving on the 19th for disneyworld. September we are taking the RV on a journey. In October we are sailing on Ms. Westerdam (first HAL cruise) Last but not least we are sailing on the Grand Princess in November. I sure appreciate all the humor I read on this board. Makes life worth stickin around and livin life like theres no tomorrow !!;)

Rhonda

[Tinknock50]

Rhonda,
You have a fantastic attitude. You have made my day.:)

[Aussie Gal]

Rhonda,

What a wonderful outlook you have on life. Have a great time in Disneyworld and enjoy your two cruises to the full. Your attitude is fantastic and I hope you have many more exciting trips.

Jennie

[Silverwing]

We are flying from England to Chicago on Sunday - vacation - no cruise involved this time! British Airways have said that they will provide water bottles for all passengers. We're pleased about all the security measures and are sure we'll feel safer flying. It has always amazed me what people manage to walk onto planes carrying. The only thing that hasn't been mentioned in all the guidelines issued here is cameras. I have bought an expensive new digital camera (my first one) and was looking forward to trying it out this year ready for our Alaskan adventure next summer - HAL cruise and three weeks independent driving - can't wait. DH says that it is insured and if we lose it then I can buy another but not sure I can bring myself to pack it in a case for the hold, especially after reading the experiences of others. It will be strange getting on a plane without my handbag/book/water bottle etc but we have checked the list of movies onboard and I guess we will all be watching our screens to pass the time. Just glad that we aren't going to California this year!

Cheryl

[barriesdad]

We leave in 2 weeks from the UK to Canada and are very worried as we've bought brand new digital camera and camcorder specially for our 3 week trip. How can we possibly go on our holiday of a lifetime and not bring back copious numbers of photographs and hours of video footage? Then again, how upset will we be if we pack them along with mobile phones and they get stolen en-route? Then again, I think we would like to return in one piece and at least we would have the memories in our heads.

We just hope that sense will prevail over the next few days and we can all return to some semblance of normality. I just thank goodness that our security forces are so vigilent and these "people" are found out before they can commit their atrocities.

Lloyd

[Darspurs]

We leave in 2 weeks from the UK to Canada and are very worried as we've bought brand new digital camera and camcorder specially for our 3 week trip. How can we possibly go on our holiday of a lifetime and not bring back copious numbers of photographs and hours of video footage? Then again, how upset will we be if we pack them along with mobile phones and they get stolen en-route? Then again, I think we would like to return in one piece and at least we would have the memories in our heads.

We just hope that sense will prevail over the next few days and we can all return to some semblance of normality. I just thank goodness that our security forces are so vigilent and these "people" are found out before they can commit their atrocities.

Lloyd


Hello Lloyd - At least I still have 11 weeks to go before flying across the water - something I do on average twice a year either for a cruise or another trip.

Despite the fact that like everyone else I am extremely grateful to the security services and want to know we can all fly safely, I will be very dissappointed if we are unable to take hand luggage in 11 weeks.

I take on every trip my laptop, dvd/video camera, digital camera, Ipod and mobile phone.

My wife and myself both have elderly parents plus our two children (gown up) and it is the most practical way of keeping in contact with them. Of course on the ship we can just go to the internet cafe but it is not so easy in our pre and post cruise hotels.

In each of my previous 10 cruises I have wonderful videos of the ships plus the ports and just everything about the holiday, to go on a cruise without my cameras would leave a large hole in our memories.

Of course I could put all the afforementioned items in my suitcases and by wrapping and packing correctly I would have no fears as regards to breakage or damage. What I would be fearful of is theft of items or indeed a whole case going missing. The items I mentioned would cost around £2000 or $3600 to replace - Insurance would not cover this sum ( together with our clothing and other items) if our cases went missing.

So if things havent changed by 28th October the laptop and cameras will be staying at home, we will have a great holiday and cruise as usual but the memories of it will not be there in the years to come for us to look at.

[barriesdad]

So if things havent changed by 28th October the laptop and cameras will be staying at home, we will have a great holiday and cruise as usual but the memories of it will not be there in the years to come for us to look at.

Hello Darspurs,

I presume you must be a Spurs fan with a name like that!!

I agree with everything you say about communication with elderly parents and children especially as we are away for 3 weeks. Don't have a laptop so no problem there but couldn't manage without mobile phone. The camera and camcorder is a much bigger problem. 9 days in the Canadian Rockies and 7 days cruising to Alaska demands that we bring back plenty of photos and video footage.

As the value of the cameras should be covered by our travel insurance and if not by our household contents insurance would mean that I would probably risk it. The worst thing is if they went missing on the way back. However, it would seem that we would be allowed carry-on flying to the UK if not going. So as I see it we could pack them going out and if they went missing could buy replacements in Canada.

Let's hope things change in the next couple of weeks.

Lloyd

[RevNeal]

I think grannynurse meant to offset the extra weight of putting liguids and gels in your checked luggage by leaving your formal clothes at home.

In that regard , I have another suggestion...pack all your extra shoes in your carryon to compensate somewhat for the extra weight of toiletries in your checked luggage. Keeps it under the weight limits.

Ah ... weight. Ok. Well ... how much do such liquids and gels weigh? In my case ... not enough to matter. AND, as you suggest, off-set the difference by sifting stuff to carry-on luggage that you otherwise would pack in your checked luggage. :)

Hence ... I don't see the purpose.

By the way, I heard that if the plot had not been foiled, it is estimated 4000 could have been killed. Kind of makes our packing concerns pale in comparison,does'nt it?

Yes, our concerns pale in comparison. But we still have them, still need to figure out how to pack, etc.

[RevNeal]

RevNeal you have made me laugh so hard during some of these posts you have enlightened us with today.:p I got some really bad news today and was told that my cancer has spread into my liver. I also have it in my bones. I was sad:( until I read your posts that made be burst out laughing. :D So thank you for that. Not letting this cancer monster ruin my life. Leaving on the 19th for disneyworld. September we are taking the RV on a journey. In October we are sailing on Ms. Westerdam (first HAL cruise) Last but not least we are sailing on the Grand Princess in November. I sure appreciate all the humor I read on this board. Makes life worth stickin around and livin life like theres no tomorrow !!;)

Rhonda, I'm so sorry to hear about the spread of your cancer and I'm pleased I caused you to laugh. Laughter is a fantastic medicine, one that I believe in and don't think one can overdose on! I was trying to lighten the mood for many relative to this security scare and the packing nightmare it is generating, but clearly there are people with even greater concerns.

May you be blessed with joy and happiness!

[serendipity1499]

Ah ... weight. Ok. Well ... how much do such liquids and gels weigh? In my case ... not enough to matter. AND, as you suggest, off-set the difference by sifting stuff to carry-on luggage that you otherwise would pack in your checked luggage. :)

Hence ... I don't see the purpose..

Rev. Neal you don't understand how much we women take on cruises..;)

Grannynurse takes longer trips as do we & I see where she is coming from.....

My DH carries a very small toiletry bag with razor, after shave, deodorant, toothbrush, shampoo, hair tonic & a just few more small articles..His weighs less than a lb. also he takes for formal wear one TUX, several different accessories, 2 formal shirts & one pair formal shoes in addition to a sport Jacket with tie, etc.. & this was for our 24 day cruise..

I on the other hand carry 2 formal skirts 4 Formal tops, a long formal dress with 2-3 pair of dress shoes & purses..After all our shoes & purses must match our outfits..Lots of Jewelry to go with each outfit..

My 4 large toiletries cases (2 hanging ones) carry all my make-up, Nail polish, Elec. toothbrushes & floosers w/a large bottle of mouth wash, meds & vitamins for DH & me, shampoo, conditioner, elec. curling Iron, body washes & creams, deodorant, both our Meds & vitamins, all of the extra little things we might need in case one of us gets sick..My toiletry cases alone weigh close to 10 lbs..:o

If we have to fly, I'll just have to cut back on some of my shoes & a few other things, but it would be so much easier if we could cut out some of our formal wear, even though I really enjoy dressing up...LOL

[grannynurse]

Serendipity,
Thanks, you expressed my concerns to the letter.
This cruise is shorter but we have a precruise component and a longer post cruise trip through Washington and Oregon. I usually take 2 carryon totes so I don't have to disrupt my cruise clothes, however we have an evening trip on the Spirit of washington Dinner train which calls for something other than casual dress for both of us, so I planned 3 carryons between the 2 of us. Having to pack all our personal and cosmetic goodies in locked luggage is going to be a space and logistical adventure but I've gotten some good hints from this thread so I'll make it a new adventure and have fun doing it.
I saw the comment on the CC home page from a cruiser who suggested that the cruiselines suspend formal dress for a short time and considered that it might be a good temporary fix for many of us.
I certainly don't want to add to airport stress, and we'll all be practicing our best behavior and coping strategies. I'm sorry that Revneal might have seen my comment as "traitorous" because he knows that I am every bit the HAL cruise traditionalist that he is, and perhaps a short term fix isn't the answer, especially if these restrictions hang on for a while, but it's an idea I am willing to entertain for now.
Thanks again for your support, Serendipity
GN

[Scrumpy]

I've been thinking about this and someone made a suggestion on one thread yesterday about them collecting carry-ons prior to boarding and putting them in locked compartments. Taking that a step further, if we are going to have double-screening, couldn't they take our carry-ons at that point and then put them in LOCKED overhead compartments? So, anything that might be questionable would be with us, but we would only have access with the assistance of a flight attendant. Might cause boarding to be a slower process, but was trying to think of something workable in case someone had something they might need (or simply want, true) onboard that was on the prohibited list. Might work well since sometimes when you board, the overhead space near your seat is full and if it were loaded by personnel, they could place the bags by seat number and alleviate the scenario where you have to wait for everyone to debark when you are near the front, but your carry-on ended up 8 rows behind you... Or, may not work at all. Just trying to think of a fix that would be cheaper for airlines, but a tad bit easier on passengers...

[RevNeal]

Rev. Neal you don't understand how much we women take on cruises..;)

Grannynurse takes longer trips as do we & I see where she is coming from.....

My DH carries a very small toiletry bag with razor, after shave, deodorant, toothbrush, shampoo, hair tonic & a just few more small articles..His weighs less than a lb. also he takes for formal wear one TUX, several different accessories, 2 formal shirts & one pair formal shoes in addition to a sport Jacket with tie, etc.. & this was for our 24 day cruise..

I sound like your DH, except that I'll also take an additional suit and a white dinner jacket for a cruise of 24 days. I like to cruise longer than 7-10 days, too, and, but ... like your DH ... my toiletry items weight about a pound ... maybe a bit more. And, I usually pack it all in my checked luggage anyway. :)

True ... I'm a guy and I just don't understand about you women. :D I know it, and confess it as true.

[Host Walt]

I've been thinking about this and someone made a suggestion on one thread yesterday about them collecting carry-ons prior to boarding and putting them in locked compartments. Taking that a step further, if we are going to have double-screening, couldn't they take our carry-ons at that point and then put them in LOCKED overhead compartments? So, anything that might be questionable would be with us, but we would only have access with the assistance of a flight attendant. Might cause boarding to be a slower process, but was trying to think of something workable in case someone had something they might need (or simply want, true) onboard that was on the prohibited list. Might work well since sometimes when you board, the overhead space near your seat is full and if it were loaded by personnel, they could place the bags by seat number and alleviate the scenario where you have to wait for everyone to debark when you are near the front, but your carry-on ended up 8 rows behind you... Or, may not work at all. Just trying to think of a fix that would be cheaper for airlines, but a tad bit easier on passengers...I really like that idea. It would require two things, however.

First the locks would have to be installed.
Second, access would need to be prohibited during the entire trip; no exceptions. (The only way access could safely be undertaken would require that the flight attendant stay with the passenger and the bags as the item(s) are handled, and the FA would have to be able to identify verbotin substances. The queuing of people who want access on a 777, for example, would occupy the FA's full time in flight.)

However the locked bins solves the problem of laptops, cameras jewelry and prescription meds that many have raised. Just leave them locked until the plane has landed and is ready for off loading.

[rjbean4]

Mom & I fly to the west coast to embark Westerdam in San Pedro the end of next month. We are actually staying with a freind in Newport Beach for 2 nights before embarking the ship. She is cruising too. I might just pack up some things and mail them out to her in advacnce so that I don't have to fly with them. Then will get them back when we arrive and re pack them in my carry on. Mainly just things that will help get through the airport easier and less clutter. Things like chargers for our video camera and regular camera, extra batteries and video camera tapes. I would never check electronics unless we didn't have a choice. Considering leaving my laptop home this time and will just go buy a couple of extra compact flash cards for my digital camera. If we weren't flying I would be more wanting to bring my laptop as I also use it to download and store the photos I have taken.

If we had plans to head to Europe right now, more specific the U.K., we would cancel and do something else. It wouldn't be a problem as we take the cancelation insurance and let HAL do the air & hotel along with the cruise. My dad flew commercially for 31 years. We tried going to Europe on about 3 different occasions as a family and never made it. One reason was the air traffic controllers strike. He said NO WAY so we didn't go.

I heard this morning that lip gloss and lipstick can be taken on board dometic flights. Will have to double check this. Would be a sigh of relief as I always have to carry some chap stick becasue of my terribly dry lips. Sometimes have problems with my ears and sinuses and carry a nasal spray when flying. Now I might have to go to my doctor to see about getting a perscription for a equivalent of a store bought nasal spray. Insane.

But considerang what could have happened if these people hadn't been cought, just think about how those people out there that are flying across the Atlantic in the next week or two feel.

47 cruises on HAL at the age of 41
504 days at sea on 11 different DAM SHIPS
500 day gold medallion holder
9/06 trans canal - Westerdam
12/06 Christmas & New Years - Westerdam
if Holland America doesn't go there WE DON'T GO!!!!

[RuthC]

When we're leaving from home most of us can pack our "forbidden" items in our checked luggage, and use spares the morning of departure.

I see the problem more on the other end of the cruise. When you need to pack your toothpaste, deodorant, face cream, etc. in your checked luggage, then have it out by 1:00 AM, then what do you use in the morning? This is a real difficulty.
It's hard to get the timing down just right that whatever product is on it's last use anyway. I hate wasting things!

Maybe when the dust settles Homeland Security will loosen up on some of this? One can hope.

[Scrumpy]

I really like that idea. It would require two things, however.

First the locks would have to be installed.
Second, access would need to be prohibited during the entire trip; no exceptions. (The only way access could safely be undertaken would require that the flight attendant stay with the passenger and the bags as the item(s) are handled, and the FA would have to be able to identify verbotin substances. The queuing of people who want access on a 777, for example, would occupy the FA's full time in flight.)

However the locked bins solves the problem of laptops, cameras jewelry and prescription meds that many have raised. Just leave them locked until the plane has landed and is ready for off loading.

Thanks Walt. In discussing this with DH, we were thinking if there was a master lock system, they could lock them all down simultaneously before we even board, then unlock upon landing - with a master switch. Unless there were some type of (probably medical) emergency, there'd be no need to unlock an individual overhead - and I think that could be done easily with existing technology. And, of course, an FA would have to be present to retrieve the needed item. I hope it doesn't come to something like this, but it's nice to know there is a way around it that would probably not be terribly expensive or personnel-intensive.

[Scrumpy]

When we're leaving from home most of us can pack our "forbidden" items in our checked luggage, and use spares the morning of departure.

I see the problem more on the other end of the cruise. When you need to pack your toothpaste, deodorant, face cream, etc. in your checked luggage, then have it out by 1:00 AM, then what do you use in the morning? This is a real difficulty.
It's hard to get the timing down just right that whatever product is on it's last use anyway. I hate wasting things!

Maybe when the dust settles Homeland Security will loosen up on some of this? One can hope.

I think what is going to happen is that it will be less efficient to use a transfer service because we'll need to open our checked cases to put in the toiletries we use in the morning. We can carry them off the ship, but we'll need access to our suitcase in order to check them on the plane. I might be able to shower the night before, but I'm not going anywhere in the morning without brushing my teeth!

I hope they do loosen up a little. But, it's hard to say what will be acceptable. Travel-size toothpaste? I don't know how much of these various liquid components it takes to make a bomb and if some of it is a small amount, then they won't want to loosen up very much or make many exceptions.

[Aussie Gal]

I just wonder if the airlines we travel with (Singapore Airlines, Qantas etc) are still going to give us the packet of freebies each trip such as toothbrush and toothpaste, slippers and eye shield as it is necessary to be able to brush one's teeth whilst on board the plane especially on long flights.

If my toothpaste has to be locked up in my suitcase this solves the problem of brushing one's teeth on a 24 hour plus flight.

Jennie

[Tinknock50]

When we're leaving from home most of us can pack our "forbidden" items in our checked luggage, and use spares the morning of departure.

I see the problem more on the other end of the cruise. When you need to pack your toothpaste, deodorant, face cream, etc. in your checked luggage, then have it out by 1:00 AM, then what do you use in the morning? This is a real difficulty.
It's hard to get the timing down just right that whatever product is on it's last use anyway. I hate wasting things!

Maybe when the dust settles Homeland Security will loosen up on some of this? One can hope.

Put it all in a smaller bag and then put it in your suitcase when you get to the airport.

[hammybee]

I just wonder if the airlines we travel with (Singapore Airlines, Qantas etc) are still going to give us the packet of freebies each trip such as toothbrush and toothpaste, slippers and eye shield as it is necessary to be able to brush one's teeth whilst on board the plane especially on long flights.

If my toothpaste has to be locked up in my suitcase this solves the problem of brushing one's teeth on a 24 hour plus flight.

Jennie
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Maybe the flight attendents will brush your teeth for you, the way HAL serves us when there is a Norvo Alert onbaord.

[Scrumpy]

Jennie,
I'll try to remember to post on Sunday after our company arrives. They're coming out of Auckland on Qantas. Unless this is changed only for Australia, I'd think the procedure would still be the same.

hammybee - good one, LOL!

[gooselace]

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Maybe the flight attendents will brush your teeth for you, the way HAL serves us when there is a Norvo Alert onbaord.

Oral-B makes something called Brush-Ups that come in individual sealed packets. They are textured teeth wipes that fit over one's forefinger to clean the teeth. While not as good as the disposable sponge "brushes" these require no water and do make one's teeth feel cleaner and are a minty breath freshener.

[Mrs Seabird]

They sell one use toothbrushes preloaded with tooth paste. This would get around the problem of brushing your teeth on disembarkation day. Just use it and toss it.

Isn't there a way to download your digital pics on the internet? And maybe you can email them home? That way, if your camera didn't make it home, at least your pictures would.

[cruisegirl]

I am very concerned about the jewelry. I do not want to pack it in my suitcase.

I'm confused. What is the problem about jewelry? Why would it be restricted? I've not seen jewelry mentioned anywhere before reading this. Please, fill me in.

[Scottish Cruiser]

Silverwing & Barriesdad

It may not be a perfect solution, but if you are afraid of losing valuable cameras, then you could buy a cheap digital camera at your destination, post the photos to a website - there are several available - from an Internet cafe and retreive them from the website when you get home. If you lose the cheap camera on the way home, then at least you have the photos.

[Aussie Gal]

Jennie,
I'll try to remember to post on Sunday after our company arrives. They're coming out of Auckland on Qantas. Unless this is changed only for Australia, I'd think the procedure would still be the same.

hammybee - good one, LOL!

I would be interested in hearing whether they were given any freebies once on board. :)

Reading what Qantas has put out re travel to the U.S., there was no mention of not having lipstick with you in the cabin. I don't apply makeup when on a plane but I do apply lipstick as my lips do get dry and also I feel better with a bit of colour. I can cope with everything else. In fact I am going to take the advice of a poster on this thread, and pack my carry on bag with shoes instead of the toiletries, shampoos etc. that normally are carried in it.

Jennie

[doctork]

I hope those "exchange kiosks" (great idea!) are set up promptly, but failing that, perhaps all the airport shops that are removing liquids and gels from their inventories could simply repurpose them: sell to de-planing passengers who need to replace items given up during the boarding process. And meanwhile, instead of the trash, maybe the collected items could be sent to homeless shelters or other venues where they are needed.
I've also wondered if post offices still have "general delivery" service available - we could mail the necessary items for pick up at the Post Office. Friends in the area, or our hotel could work too. I have Fedexed things overseas too - Fedex later sends the customs bill.
On some trips, I pack nearly-used up toothpast or deodorant, then dispose of it before return; this can also be used for underwear, T-shirts, similar things you were going to give to Goodwill anyway.
I don't travel with expensive jewelry anyway, and wear a lot of black or navy with interesting accessories to minimize the amount of luggage. People rarely notice (or at least don't comment) that I wear the same clothes more than once. Guess I'll accelerate this technique. I've made use of disposable cameras too (quick development available even in very out of the way locations) in circumstances where I didn't wish to have an expensive camera. Pleasant surprise how good the resultant photos can be.
I certainly don't plan on reducing my travel - then the terrorists really win!

[Tinknock50]

In Phoenix, the collected supplies have been sent to the homeless shelters.:)

[Scrumpy]

I would be interested in hearing whether they were given any freebies once on board. :)

Reading what Qantas has put out re travel to the U.S., there was no mention of not having lipstick with you in the cabin. I don't apply makeup when on a plane but I do apply lipstick as my lips do get dry and also I feel better with a bit of colour. I can cope with everything else. In fact I am going to take the advice of a poster on this thread, and pack my carry on bag with shoes instead of the toiletries, shampoos etc. that normally are carried in it.

Jennie

Jennie,
My BIL and family got the kit w/toothbrush, toothpaste, eyeshades, and socks. No one remembered what else, if anything, was in there. One of their pens was not alllowed - a gel-type pen. It was probably one of their children's from the sound of it. Sorry, it's a little chaotic when folks first arrive and I didn't get too many details tonight.
Hope that helps! :)

[kryos]

I see the problem more on the other end of the cruise. When you need to pack your toothpaste, deodorant, face cream, etc. in your checked luggage, then have it out by 1:00 AM, then what do you use in the morning? This is a real difficulty.
What I plan to do is buy small containers of toothpaste, deodorant, mouthwash, etc. and pack them in my checked luggage on the way to the cruise (if I have to fly to the port of embarkation). Then, I'll just leave the stuff onboard when I leave at the end of the cruise. This way it's available to me when I get cleaned up in the cabin on the morning of disembarkation.

I figure there shouldn't be that much left that leaving behind will present any kind of a hardship.

Blue skies ...

--rita

[kryos]

I am very concerned about the jewelry. I do not want to pack it in my suitcase.

And if I wear everything, they will make me take it off at security and something could be stolen there.

We were going to buy a new camera - but will wait and see how things go over the next couple of weeks.
Can't you bring a cheaper camera ... something maybe older that while you don't want to lose it, at least won't present a major hardship if it is lost?

As for jewelry, if I were leaving for a cruise tomorrow and knew that getting jewelry through the security checkpoint in my carry-on bag would be a problem ... LOL, I simply wouldn't bring the jewelry. It's as easy as that.

Blue skies ...

--rita

[Tinknock50]

Just checked the TSA site.....still no restrictions on Cameras, cellphones, laptops etc.

My own personal opinion and NOT mentioned on the TSA flight, there might be some future restriction on cellphone carryons because terrorists planned to use them to set off bombs. Again, this is only my opinion and not anything official I read anywhere.

[RevNeal]

I STILL say that the TSA should just pass restrictions on the bringing onboard of Terrorists. That should solve the problem. NO terrorists aboard domestic or international flights; it doesn't matter if they WILL fit into the overhead bin or under the seat in front of you ... NO terrorists. :D

Note: No offense was intended to any of our friends in the earlier version of this post. :) Offense WAS intended for terrorists.

[bepsf]

At this rate, we'll soon all be required to send all luggage and personal effects forward to our destinations via Fed-Ex and show up at the terminal in nothing but disposable, non-flammable paper overalls! (color coordinated to denote the class of travel, airline and destination, of course!)

"Sorry Ma'am, clothing items with elastic are not allowed - and that includes underwear - could be used as a weapon of mass destruction..."
"Navel lint is an incendiary device, Sir - you will not be allowed to accompany your family onto the aircraft..."

Travel would be so much safer if other people weren't involved....
:cool:

[Aussie Gal]

Jennie,
My BIL and family got the kit w/toothbrush, toothpaste, eyeshades, and socks. No one remembered what else, if anything, was in there. One of their pens was not alllowed - a gel-type pen. It was probably one of their children's from the sound of it. Sorry, it's a little chaotic when folks first arrive and I didn't get too many details tonight.
Hope that helps! :)

At least we will have these on board the plane. Nothing is worse than not being able to freshen up after a long flight especially an overnighter. :(

Jennie

[serendipity1499]

On the 11:p.m. News Tonight they previewed a new Scanner which I believe is being either used or tested in the UK..(Turned to watch the TV too late to be sure where it was)..This scanner is to be used as a secondary one only if Security believes the person is trying to smuggle something on board..The scanner literally takes off all the persons clothes & the person is in the nude :eek: (in the scanners picture only)...It then shows a picture of anything the person is trying to smuggle on board...

Apparently the person will have the choice of being patted down or going through this scanner..Think I'd rather be patted down..Wouldn't want anyone to see my wrinkles & all the sagging areas:o ..LOL

[RevNeal]

Think I'd rather be patted down..Wouldn't want anyone to see my wrinkles & all the sagging areas ..LOL

Humph ... which I would prefer would depend upon how pretty the TSA person is. :D

[serendipity1499]

Humph ... which I would prefer would depend upon how pretty the TSA person is. :D

:D You might be right...It depends on whose doing what! If Omar Sharif was scanning,oh no..:o Can't have him seeing the sags & wrinkles!.

But if someone just as handsome was patting down;) Wowee!

Please don't tell my DH I said that!

[bepsf]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20060812/1.jpg

[AlohaPride]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20060812/1.jpg

ROTFLMHO!!!!!! It's my wall-paper now :p

[HeatherInFlorida]

Just a quickie to let you all know that I just returned from my little trip. I flew out of Palm Beach into JFK and then out of LaGuardia back to Palm Beach. It was an absolute piece of cake.

I packed (of course) all liquids, gels, etc., in my checked baggage, but carried a small tote with all my jewelery and anything else I wouldn't want to lose anywhere. They did inspect the bag with the jewelery because they told me it's hard to see on the scanner.

They were wonderful ... in fact I'd almost say it's easier because people aren't carting nearly as much luggage so it all moves very quickly. You shoes MUST be put in the little bin ... no longer an option.

But it was zip zip zip. I was amazed that I flew out Friday morning when the regulations were pretty brand new and they were organized and thorough. They also pull people from the line getting on the plane, but again this was quick because most people just had their laptops, purses, and small totes.

And you can bring stick lipsticks now ... just not gels and gloss type lipsticks.

[AlohaPride]

Awesome, Heather, thanks for the update! I'm glad you got home safe!!

[RuthC]

Thanks for the update, Heather. Glad it went well for you---especially since at the beginning of a new SOP it could have been awful.

Hope the wedding was beautiful and a good time was had by all. The weather sure did it's best to cooperate!

[HeatherInFlorida]

Thank you, Ruth and Mary! Yes, the wedding was magnificent and I sincerely doubt I've ever seen the NE with weather better than that :). Someone was shining on our family with that wonderful spurt of fine weather.

[serendipity1499]

Welcome Home Heather..Hope you had a wonderful time...So happy to hear that your family wedding was beautiful & the weather was also beautiful....:)

Thanks for the update..:)

[Aussie Gal]

Heather,

Thanks for letting us know how things fared at the airports and glad to know you had a great time.

Last night, when I wasn't sleeping, I had a brilliant idea for the last day on board the ship, when everything has been packed into the suitcases and you are left with just your carry on luggage.

Every now and then the cosmetic firms have specials that you receive if you spend enough on a product. Over the years I have so many little jars of creams, makeup, eye shadow, mascara etc. in my bathroom so I am going to bring a small selection of these and then I can at least make up my face on the last day and then throw away the samples.

Regarding toothpaste and toothbrush, I will bring the ones we are given on our flight from here to the U.S. and they will be fine for brushing my teeth on the final day.

Jennie

[HeatherInFlorida]

Jennie, I think your idea is brilliant and if these regulations are going to continue for any length of time, wouldn't it be nice for the cruise lines to leave those absolute necessities in the cabins on the last night.

Wouldn't have to be anything expensive ... they already give us soap, shampoo, and a couple of other things. So all they need to add is one of those cheapo throwaway toothbrushes and a tiny toothpaste.

[Tinknock50]

Jennie, I think your idea is brilliant and if these regulations are going to continue for any length of time, wouldn't it be nice for the cruise lines to leave those absolute necessities in the cabins on the last night.

Wouldn't have to be anything expensive ... they already give us soap, shampoo, and a couple of other things. So all they need to add is one of those cheapo throwaway toothbrushes and a tiny toothpaste.

Or, even easier.......keep everything with you need the last morning in a small ziplock bag and put it in your carryon.

Then when you get to the airport, pop it into your checked luggage.

[newmexicoNita]

I'm sorry, but this HAS to be the most incredibly STUPID "rules" yet!I'm sorry also: sorry you think that. If these rules save one life or stop one terrorist it is worth it. I don't like the inconvenience either: who does, but we are living in a different world than many of us were raised in. Already in this past week there have been some adjustments. As for make up, I will just put it in plastic bags and ship it through; the camera, maybe we will carry only disposable ones that cost $15 instead of $200 or more and jewelry, I will bring a few pieces in my purse. the rest I will buy on the ship, cheap but pretty comtume stuff. I sometimes don't know why I have good stuff anyway, I hardly ever wear it. If things change between now and November I will re-think all this. NMNita

[HeatherInFlorida]

Sean, you're right! I hadn't even thought about that. Fact is, you could pop it in when you pick it up on the pier. Boy, do I feel dumb!!!:(

There's no problem bringing cameras and jewelery through in your carry-on. So don't worry about that at all.

As for people who think these are "stupid rules", thankfully they are few. Everyone at the airport totally accepted this has the way things have to be.

And no one should think that "profiling" would be the answer and the rest of us can carry on whatever we want. That won't work. Because the terrorists are smart enough to "use" mothers with babies and "little old ladies". That is why they're randomly checking everyone. Things are not always as they seem or appear.

[Tinknock50]

I'm sorry also: sorry you think that. If these rules save one life or stop one terrorist it is worth it. I don't like the inconvenience either: who does, but we are living in a different world than many of us were raised in. Already in this past week there have been some adjustments. As for make up, I will just put it in plastic bags and ship it through; the camera, maybe we will carry only disposable ones that cost $15 instead of $200 or more and jewelry, I will bring a few pieces in my purse. the rest I will buy on the ship, cheap but pretty comtume stuff. I sometimes don't know why I have good stuff anyway, I hardly ever wear it. If things change between now and November I will re-think all this. NMNita

Just checked the TSA site again......still nothing about cameras in carryon luggage. You can still take them with you on the plane.

Here is the link:TSA: TSA Adjusts Latest Ban Without Compromising Security (http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2006/press_release_08132006.shtm)
SECURITY LEVEL REMAINS THE SAME, TSA REFINES AND CLARIFIES BAN

Small doses of liquid medications permitted
Shoes removal required
Low blood sugar treatments including glucose gel for diabetics permitted
Clarifications include: aerosols prohibited, solid lipstick and baby food permitted.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I assure you that if you are flying domestically you can definitely bring your cameras, laptops, cellphones, etc., onboard in your carry-on. My digital camera remained in my tote. They recommended taking your film camera out and passing it through.

The ONLY thing you can't take on the plane that you could before is anything at all that is liquid (except for very small amount of prescription liquid medicine, baby formula). No gels, no toothpaste.

Stick to carrying only dry goods and your small electronics and you're fine! No need for concern. Everything else stays the same except that some are checked again at the gate.

[amusea]

Obviously, the amount of checked luggage is going to increase greatly which means longer waits to retrieve baggage. Furthermore, the restriction of two fifty pound pieces of luggage creates additional problems. A lot of the weight of toiletries that were previously carried on will mean that there is less room for clothes. I keep thinking of my two wonderful voyages on Oceania and how much less I had to pack because of their dress code. It is amazing how elegant folks can look in "country club casual" and the dress code was never abused. This is certainly not the case with formal nights where each year more and more passengers dress without regard to the suggested dress.
Perhaps this is the perfect time to amend the dress codes to make packing easier. Since I am booked on a 64 day cruise on HAL next year I am not looking forward to the suits, tuxedo, shoes, etc. that are di rigeur for many of the formal and "informal" nights.

[Aussie Gal]

Sean and Heather,

I realized days ago that putting your makeup into your case at the airport would be the obvious way of doing things but opening our cases at the airport just wouldn't work for us. :(

It would be the biggest hassle of all time as we have the Samonsite Oyster cases with the hangers inside and it would just be a nightmare to open them once we have closed them down, especially at a busy airport.:rolleyes:

It would definitely work for the softer luggage with zips. Being able to throw away a few bits and pieces before we leave for the ship is the best course of action for us. :)

Jennie

[HeatherInFlorida]

Jennie, I was thinking more of popping the extras into your cases right at the pier after disembarkation. The overnight stuff would be a small little bag and you wouldn't even have to unzip the luggage all the way. But if you have a hard-type case, it could be a hassle.

Now to get myself in trouble. I fail to understand why people suddenly think this is the opportunity to change the dress code. How is formal attire any heavier than country club casual? I just don't see that at all!

If you don't want to lug the tux or a suit, simply use the rental service which is amazing. But for me formal attire is a non-issue and weighs less, if anything, than country club casual. It's amazing how you can adjust a nice slinky long black or white dress with pashimas, light jackets and scarves. Takes up very little space in the suitcase and weighs less than shorts and slacks.

I see absolutely no reason to change the dress code because of the liquids issue. I get the feeling that folks are just aching for any excuse to get all of us out of formal attire.

On our flights this weekend, even with everyone checking all their baggage into Kennedy and out of LaGuardia, the baggage claim was very efficient and if anything we got our bags sooner than usual.

Believe me, at least this weekend, flying on a Friday into JFK New York and back on Tuesday, there was no problem checking in at the airports. The lines at check-in and Security were about the same as always..

[Aussie Gal]

Heather,

I thorougly agree with you re the Dress Code. Why in deed would one want to change that as it doesn't affect what we can pack and not pack. My DH will still be able to carry on board his formal gear in a long plastic bag which the flight attendants will hang up for us.

We will be having 6 formal nights, 4 informal and 24 casual nights on our upcoming cruise and as far as I am concerned this isn't a hassle. I will be bringing a long black skirt and lots of different tops for the formal nights, some smart dresses for the informal and some nice pants and tops for the casual nights.

We will probably be flying further afield than most and and yet we are not at all in favour of dropping the dress code. What is the reasoning behind this? Surely just to fit one's toiletries and makeup into one's suitcase, doesn't mean that we cannot take our formal wear. I am going to put my shoes into my carry on luggage and therefore it is an equal swap.

Anyhow as you said, one can always rent formal clothes on board if this is such a hassle.

I love going to the formal dinners and to take that away would be a huge loss to me. If I didn't want to dress up I could go on any number of other lines.

Jennie

[hammybee]

Relaxation of formal dress is a topic of conversation on some of the other boards too. Clothes are clothes ad I don't think formal stuff weighs any more than additional country-club casual. So perhaps the issue is shoes.

When DH, DD and I travel together, we tend to pack some of each of our stuff in all three bags. This way if one-two go astray, we all at least will have something. I tended to bring too many shoes on a cruise which made DH crazy. On a particular cruise, DH was repacking the bags, as he always does, and claims to have forgotten to repack all my shoes. This meant I was not aware that the only shoes I had for entire cruise were the flip-flops on my feet. On a good day, I wear size 11. Ever try to find a size 11 Womens' shoe in the Med?

So I spent the cruise in my flip-flops and I do not think most people noticed or maybe I did not care as I had no choice. At least they were black. It cured me of bringing too many shoes on a cruise. And yeah, this is way too much information.

[middle-aged mom]

And yeah, this is way too much information.

But, as usual, what vastly entertaining information it is.:)

I am so glad, glad, glad that on Friday it will take us all of 15 minutes (depending on traffic) to drive from our front door to HAL's Terminal 30 in Seattle. Our bags are stuffed, and we're bringing along everything from shorts to chiffon (how do you like that alliteration?) Our biggest worry will be can it all fit in the car?:rolleyes:

[hammybee]

But, as usual, what vastly entertaining information it is.:)

I am so glad, glad, glad that on Friday it will take us all of 15 minutes (depending on traffic) to drive from our front door to HAL's Terminal 30 in Seattle. Our bags are stuffed, and we're bringing along everything from shorts to chiffon (how do you like that alliteration?) Our biggest worry will be can it all fit in the car?:rolleyes:

I SURE do thank you for my word of the day ( Does this count if when a vowel is used?) You are going to have a fabulous cruise and make many happy family memories.

[Aussie Gal]

But, as usual, what vastly entertaining information it is.:)

I am so glad, glad, glad that on Friday it will take us all of 15 minutes (depending on traffic) to drive from our front door to HAL's Terminal 30 in Seattle. Our bags are stuffed, and we're bringing along everything from shorts to chiffon (how do you like that alliteration?) Our biggest worry will be can it all fit in the car?:rolleyes:

Middle-aged mom,

Have a great cruise and make sure that you wear everything you pack. How wonderful it would be if we could only leave from here. ;)

Jennie

[DD]

Jennie, I was thinking more of popping the extras into your cases right at the pier after disembarkation. The overnight stuff would be a small little bag and you wouldn't even have to unzip the luggage all the way. But if you have a hard-type case, it could be a hassle.



Wow, Heather, this is a GREAT tip, thanks for sharing. This is one of those things that I read and thought, "Now why didn't I think of that earlier." For whatever reason, I didn't think of it earlier. This solves a lot of hassle for people. Thanks--I'll be passing this tip along!! :)

[HeatherInFlorida]

DD, can't take the credit for that idea about the pier. Sean (Tinknock) suggested it earlier and I just picked up on it:) . So thank you, Sean!!!

I honestly think all the fuss about getting rid of formal nights because of the liquid ban in carry-ons is just a way for those who hate formal nights to spin their way to elimination of formal wear. I think it's quite a stretch and I'm so happy to see agreement!

As for shoes, you're right. I know that many women seem to think they need a different pair for every formal night, but careful planning of one's wardrobe can lead to fewer shoes. Personally I always have 2 pair and they're pretty strappy and take little room.

Besides! Since you don't have toiletries in your carry-on, stick the shoes in there and the problem is solved:D .

[Tinknock50]

Heather,
Actually my idea was to pop it in the check-in bags at the airport. At the pier after dis-embarkation was your suggestion and I think that is even better.:)

My other suggestion was to put your shoes in the carryon to compensate for the extra liquid weight in your checked suitcase.

The new restrictions have made me change my plan to travel light with just carry-ons. I have too many medical creams and liquids for my Mom that would be too expensive to purchase along the way.
So I guess I will be checking one of the carry-ons for the liquid stuff.
That will take more time to claim our luggage and be on our way to the ship.

I am not complaining but it does make it more difficult for me.

[hammybee]

As for shoes, you're right. I know that many women seem to think they need a different pair for every formal night, but careful planning of one's wardrobe can lead to fewer shoes. Personally I always have 2 pair and they're pretty strappy and take little room.

Besides! Since you don't have toiletries in your carry-on, stick the shoes in there and the problem is solved:D .

I am guessing that you do not wear size 11 boats.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I am guessing that you do not wear size 11 boats.

No:) , but the size doesn't make that much of a difference. And I'm referring to the women's shoes since the issue was evidently that some people feel formal nights should be canceled because of the new TSA restrictions. Since no one could figure out why some felt that formal wear weighed more than "country club casual", we thought shoes might be the issue.

I doubt a man brings more than one pair of formal shoes and even if wearing "country club casual", he would still need a nice pair of shoes.

[serendipity1499]

[quote=HeatherInFlorida]
Now to get myself in trouble. I fail to understand why people suddenly think this is the opportunity to change the dress code. How is formal attire any heavier than country club casual? I just don't see that at all!

If you don't want to lug the tux or a suit, simply use the rental service which is amazing. But for me formal attire is a non-issue and weighs less, if anything, than country club casual. It's amazing how you can adjust a nice slinky long black or white dress with pashimas, light jackets and scarves. Takes up very little space in the suitcase and weighs less than shorts and slacks.

I see absolutely no reason to change the dress code because of the liquids issue. I get the feeling that folks are just aching for any excuse to get all of us out of formal attire. Unquote

Heather...Your last sentence is being very unfair to those of us who only suggested a relaxation of the dress code on long cruises..:( I love to dress up & enjoy Formal nights! We’re not trying to change the Dress code..One reason we travel on HAL is because of their dress code...Please give us some slack & don’t try to read something into our posts that we never stated & is not true..:(

I was explaining to Rev.Neal what grannynurse meant when she suggested a relaxation of the dress code during this crises…We both take the longer cruises, & we probably take too many clothes..If you would read my post again it would be much easier for those of us who take these long cruises to have less formal nights...Renting a tux has nothing to do with it..My DH takes one tux with several different accessories & 2 shirts, while I take 5 different outfits or dresses with matching shoes, purses etc. for our 5 formal nights & I don't send my formal wear to be dry-cleaned on board..If they only had 3 formal nights & cut out the informal & made the rest casual, I would be able to cut out a whole suitcase..My interpretation of informal is dressy!

I don’t take one skinny formal skirt with a couple of tops & one pair of formal shoes! I also take lots of shoes because of foot problems & I change them 2-3 times per day/night..Last time I had 9 pairs of shoes with me:o ..When we have 5 formal nights, 6 informal nights & the 14 Country club casual on a 25 day cruise & also must carry 4 toiletry cases for over the counter meds, prescriptions, makeup electric toothbrushes, curling iron etc.the weight adds up…We can't cut down on toiletries, medications etc. because most of the things we take we're not able to get on board or off the ship in large quantitys..It cost us $5.00 in Rom to get a few cough drops… When we don’t fly it’s no problem, but when we do fly it is a problem for me!

If you would re-read my post (# 79) I explained how much formal wear I take including shoes, purses, etc but my last sentence stated “If we have to fly, I'll just have to cut back on some of my shoes & a few other things, but it would be so much easier if we could cut out some of our formal wear, even though I really enjoy dressing up”...Grannynurse's posts also explained that she enjoys dressing up but she was having a problem because of her pre & post cruise tours..

Betty..
P.S. Please excuse the different colors..Used my word program first & then refined it directly on the post..

[Aussie Gal]

Serendipity,

We are going to be on a long cruise with 6 formal nights in a months time and yet I have got my packing down to a fine art. For a start, I do not need a different purse for every formal night, one purse is sufficient. I also only need one pair of fancy black shoes for the six formal nights as they are suitable for everything I am wearing. I am taking one long black skirt which I find invaluable but I am also packing a couple of other formal outfits as well.

We have to fly for hours on end on lots of planes - over 24 hours in flying time - plus a few days precruise to get over any jetlag and yet I would hate for the formal nights to be cut down.

We do carry quite a bit of medication, we do not need it but it is a preventative measure in case of emergencies and as we are going up the Amazon we do need more this time. We have always packed this into a plastic bag and put it into one of our carry on bags.

Even on casual nights I wear similar clothes to the informal nights as I believe eating in the dining room is the same as going out to a good restaurant here at home.

I am packing 9 pairs of shoes which include sandals and shoes to wear in the water. I mix and match a lot and find that I can get many different outfits from a few items.

In all we are bringing one large suitcase each and just one extra bag (a HAL bag I won once) between us and we will each have one carry on bag. Not a huge amount for a 34 day cruise.

Jennie

[RuthC]

Chalk me up as another one who doesn't understand how changing formal nights to casual would make my luggage lighter---or even make packing easier, for that matter.
Remove one formal outfit; add one casual outfit. Same number of outfits. Each outfit needs hose, shoes, bag, jewelry. But they don't all need different hose, shoes, etc. Since my basic color for formals is black there is very little of the "big stuff" that isn't repeated.

I take three evening bags. Funny thing is one fits inside another, which fits inside the third. Takes up little space in the suitcase that way.

The trick to packing light is selecting one (or two, on longer cruises) colors to work around. I've gone for 35 days on two suitcases, and could have done the World Cruise on the same wardrobe.

[serendipity1499]

[quote=Aussie Gal]Serendipity,
We are going to be on a long cruise with 6 formal nights in a months time and yet I have got my packing down to a fine art. For a start, I do not need a different purse for every formal night, one purse is sufficient. I also only need one pair of fancy black shoes for the six formal nights as they are suitable for everything I am wearing. I am taking one long black skirt which I find invaluable but I am also packing a couple of other formal outfits as well.

We have to fly for hours on end on lots of planes - over 24 hours in flying time - plus a few days precruise to get over any jetlag and yet I would hate for the formal nights to be cut down. unquote

Aussie Gal & Ruth C..I respect your opinions about what you wear/pack..But as I said, I can't take one pair of shoes for formal/informal nights...Years ago I severely injured my hamstring & was in a cast for 6 weeks...In addition to my legs I have problems with my feet & MUST take several pairs of different heel heights etc...I'm constantly changing my shoes.. (My DH calls me Imelda).. It's also easier for me to pack my casual than than it is formal or informal clothes, as I don't have to hang my casual clothing....I always pack dressy dresses for Informal & I don't take just one black skirt with a couple of tops for formal in a hanging bag..I can do a great deal of mixing & matching with my Country club casual clothing better than my formal or informal..I get very tired of always wearing basic black...But that's just me! I've packed light for 30 years when I traveled by air for business/pleasure & quite frankly am tired of it...I would be happy going back to the days, when we could take trunks with us..LOL

However the reason for my last post was not to really get into the discussion of changing formal to casual nights..It only was to explain my post to Rev. Neal & to express my distress & objection to the statement that was made about us..:(

Quote I get the feeling that folks are just aching for any excuse to get all of us out of formal attire. Unquote

This was not our intent at all! :(

[grannynurse]

Serendipity,
I'll take the heat for starting this. I saw someone's suggestion on the CC home page and brought the idea here. It wasn't a permanent solution it was a short time fix for having to move all the essentials to checked luggage. I appreciate your support and I'm sorry you caught the flack. There shouldn't have been any hostility directed anywhere as I asked for recommendations to compensate for the new regs. This wasn't supposed to be a slugfest, and it really wasn't, but I'm sorry you feel wounded, as all you were doing was understanding where I was coming from,
Again, Thank You,
GN

[HeatherInFlorida]

[/quote]Heather...Your last sentence is being very unfair to those of us who only suggested a relaxation of the dress code on long cruises..:( .................... [/quote]

Generally I find that "suggestions" are a bit stronger than just that.

Also, I was not the only one who replied to the "suggestion" so I honestly resent being singled out. Nothing new, of course, because no matter how many people may agree with me about something I'm the one who is called to task.

How many clothes and shoes anyone chooses to take on a cruise is not the issue and it's a personal choice. With a little planning we can look different every formal night with very few clothes. And certainly we don't need different shoes for every outfit if weight is the issue.

So all I'm saying is that putting toiletries in checked baggage is just not enough of an excuse to ask HAL or any other cruise line to relax the dress code. Sorry, but I think that's a big stretch.

BTW, most meds, as long as you can provide the prescription for them, are allowed in your carry-on so that's not part of this.

In the end, whether you're dressed in formal wear or country club casual or even casual, you still need clothes and shoes. So this liquids issue has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I did not direct my posts to anyone in particular. To be honest, I was completely unaware of who or how many suggested relaxing the dress code ... I just responded with my reaction.

This wasn't a "slugfest" in any way until someone decided to make it one. It was a friendly, fun exchange coming up with ideas about how to deal with the existing security situation. Why it was turned it into a direct hit on me I don't understand.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Please let me clarify my posts above. It may not be the best idea to try to "fix" things, but I've learned there was a clear misunderstanding here.

My post was not directed in any way to posts by either Grannynurse or Serendipity. Their suggestion last week about relaxing the dress code was only that ... a passing suggestion and Greg and I only asked "why?".

But Amusea posted just above me that this might be a "perfect time to amend the dress code" to "country club casual". It is to that suggestion that I responded because I just couldn't see much difference in packing for formal or country club casual.

Between the beginning of this thread an now, I have flown up to CT and NY and back. I didn't even remember the beginning of the thread. So my apologies to Grannynurse and Serendipity for any confusion.

[CCCM]

I travel on Monday for business, I am checking my bag. I typically carry it with me as it is just easier. I probably wouldn't do this for business travel, but did find the following:

http://www.minimus.biz/TSARules.aspx

They will ship to your hotel. This might help some folks. Just thought I would share.......

[serendipity1499]

Heather & I have been in contact with each other & have settled our differences regarding our posts..I misinterpreted her posts to be directly aimed at Grannynurse & me & had overlooked some of the other posts on this thread..My apologies to Heather & everyone else for "shooting from the hip" without going back & re-reading all the pages of this thread brefore posting..

Grannynurse thanks for your support & also apologize to you for not stopping to think before I posted my displeasure..I hope this thread will continue as you intended it to be..Packing suggestions will be appreciated by all of us..

CCCM... Thanks for sharing the info on minimus biz (WEB site) which ships incidentals in small quantaties..It could be useful to those who drive to the ports as well as those who fly..Some things are pricey but might be worth it to get the smaller quantities..I've come across a few items that I haven't seen in small quantities in our local stores..Another good deal is the free shipping if the order is $20.00 or more..

Happy cruising everyone..Betty

[RevNeal]

I'm glad to see that it looks like reconciliation has occurred. I stayed out of it because, as I was reminded, I'm not qualified to pontificate on such a subject. As a guy I bring 4 pair of shoes on a cruise:

1 pair of dress black shoes
1 pair of brown casual shoes
1 pair of white walking shoes
1 pair of sandals (assuming one can call them shoes)

And that's about it. Regardless. And one of those pair I WEAR to the ship (usually the brown casual shoes). Hence, I'm only packing 3 pair!

As for formal gear ... my biggest problem is my big size. Thankfully, that's becoming less and less of a problem every week. When I disembarked the Noordam I truly WAS cargo ... I weighed 364 pounds. A lot of it was muscle, bone, organs, etc on my thick, 6 foot tall frame ... about 204 pounds worth of solid me ... but 160 pounds of it was pure flabby me! YUCK! After a visit to the doctor, I joined 24 Hour Fitness, obtained a dietician and a personal trainer, and began a VERY strict diet and tough exercise regimen. 1200 calories, 20 grams of fat, and 600 - 1000 calories burned exercising at the gym every day (except Sundays). Needless to say, thus far the results have been very pleasing.

This morning, when I got on the scales after my morning work out (I walked 4 miles on the treadmill, worked out with the weights -- chest, abs, shoulders, and back -- sat in the hot tub, in the dry sauna, and and swam for 30 minutes) I weighed 261 pounds. Yes ... I've lost 103 pounds in 5 months. A literal MIRACLE. I've also picked up muscle mass ... from 204 pounds to 211. I'm VERY pleased.

From here-on-out the hard part will be to (1) keep losing weight, (2) keep building muscle, (3) without losing my focus and my desire. The rate of weight loss has been decelerating as I've been losing, and that is becoming a serious problem for me. It's depressing to be FAITHFUL to one's diet, exercise daily, and only lose 4 pounds in 1 week ... particularly when, earlier on, I was losing between 5 and 10 pounds a week. But, weighing less means I burn fewer calories, and it takes fewer calories for me to work out too. But ... I feel FANTASTIC -- much better than I've felt in YEARS -- and am actually enjoying my exercise routine. I've got 50 pounds to lose, and they will be HARD pounds to lose. But, with God's help and encouragement from my church and my family and friends, I know I can make it.

THEN ... I've gotta keep it off. :(

[fcorey]

Yes ... I've lost 103 pounds in 5 months. A literal MIRACLE. I've also picked up muscle mass ... from 204 pounds to 211. I'm VERY pleased.

Greg, that is truly inspirational. I can sympathize with what you had to tackle. I am just starting upon my own journey as it were. The moment i stepped on a scale and it registered 304. I knew I could no longer lie to myself and say I'm not that big.... Its just such a hard thign to accept, being that overweight, its hard to know where to start. But you are doing it, and I am sure you are an even greater inspiration to your congregation.
When it will be tough to follow my prescribed program, I'll have another person to use as my inspiration, thanks for posting

[Robin7]

Needless to say, thus far the results have been very pleasing. I've lost 103 pounds in 5 months. A literal MIRACLE. I've also picked up muscle mass ... from 204 pounds to 211. I'm VERY pleased.

Go, Rev Neal! That's amazing! Why aren't you doing cartwheels????:D I was proud that I've lost 30 pounds in the same time period, but your loss is just incredible. Way to go!

I'm struggling to keep on keeping on. I'd like to lose at least 20 more, maybe 30, and 40 would put me back at high school weight--that would make me soooooooo happy. But I only lose 1-2 pounds a week, so my motivation has been lagging. My exercise has been so sporadic during the summer that I'm almost glad school is starting again so I can go to the gym. My youngest will be in first grade so I won't have any little guys at home to keep me here. I've lost all of my lame excuses! I hope bumping up the exercise will accelerate the weight loss again. We'll see. My goal is to get some 'arms'. I want muscle definition and not saggy, baggy triceps! Heh.

Thanks for the inspiration!

Robin

[serendipity1499]

Oh Rev. Neal..That's so wonderful...

I lost 9 lbs. before the Amazon Cruise, but put 5 lbs back while on the cruise..:( Hal's bread pudding & Ice cream bar was my downfall!

Must loose it again so I fit into my cruise clothes for the Ryndam in Nov..Headed back to exercize on Monday..Now you have inspired me once again to try to lose it...

Maybe we should start a weight loss thread & all check in once or twice a week..;)
Perhaps we could help each other..:cool:

Betty

[CCCM]

Greg, too funny about the shoes. DH packs the same number, but according to him, the shoes on his feet don't count and the sandals don't count...so he is really only bringing two pair. :rolleyes:

It is great to get an update on your turn to a healthy life change. Wondering since the post you did several months back. You are truly an inspiration. Thank you!

[HeatherInFlorida]

As far as I'm concerned, Greg, a day without you pontificating is a day without sunshine:D !!! So don't stop ever!!!

And congratulations on that amazing weight loss! Good for you. I've lost 12 silly pounds and had been proud as a peacock. I really admire you for your determination and sticktoitiveness:) !! It's not easy.

If these regulations are going to continue, which I believe they are, it would be a great time for more companies to sell the small travel sizes. For small trips, I'd be thrilled to send a little package to myself ahead of time and toss it before my return.

And anyone arriving at the cruise port the day before (which so many of us do) could take a quick trip to the drugstore and buy everything there. At the end of the trip, toss it. With all the money we spend on all kinds of stuff on our cruises, this wouldn't be that big an expense.

[RevNeal]

Thank y'all so much. I appreciate it greatly. And, I think the idea of a weight-thread is a good one ... though isn't there a section of CC that covers this subject? :) I'm thinking about checking it out. If not, we SHOULD start one.

In truth, the first 64 pounds were the "easiest." The Doctor was ADAMANT about getting me below 300 pounds as quickly and as safely as possible. His primary concern was to keep me from losing muscle mass while maximizing fat loss. The dietician and the personal physical trainer were both absolutely critical in that process. Without them there is no way I could have dropped so much so fast and so safely.

The hardest part has been the 35 pounds I've lost since then. They've been long and hard pounds. And, I've lost it in fits-and-starts ... I'll hit plateaus and it's hard to get off those plateaus. Shifting work out and diet patterns helps, eventually that kind of tricking of the body loses its effectiveness.

For anyone who struggling to lose weight, BLESS YOU!

[RuthC]

Greg, I do want to congratulate you on your weight loss. But then I also need to remind every one else: matter can neither be created, nor destroyed.
Therefore, it follows that for every pound Greg has lost, someone else has gained. Those pounds had to go somewhere! So, be on the lookout---he's sending more "matter" out our way. :D

[hammybee]

Greg:

What an accomplishement. I am in awe. BTW, checked out 24 hour fittness but they are not yet in my area.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Greg, there is a "Lose Before You Cruise" forum. I'm on a wonderful thread on that board with a wonderful group of people. It's mostly women, but we have a few guys. It's an amazing support group and they have been fantastic for me.

I love it because there's never any animosity or nastiness. We all support each other with our individual choices of what we call "WOE" (way of eating). You might just want to take a look and if you like the way we sound, you can join the fun. It's a terrific group from all over the place:) .

Here's a link to the current page, but you may want to go back a ways to take a look: ***Welcome To Cruise Diet Countdown Club*** - Page 295 - Cruise Critic Message Boards (http://boards1.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?p=7514883#post7514883)

[RevNeal]

I thought y'all might like to see some comparison photos of me ...

http://www.revneal.org/weightloss1.html

Here's a sample:

http://www.revneal.org/Resources/weightloss1/164487673.jpghttp://www.revneal.org/Resources/weightloss1/178029530.jpg

http://www.revneal.org/Resources/weightloss1/142079247.jpghttp://www.revneal.org/Resources/weightloss1/178030266.jpg

[RuthC]

Good work, handsome! :) The 7/05 and 8/06 comparison photos of you standing really show the difference well.
Congratulations and keep up the good work. :D

Just to get back to the original purpose of the thread for a minute---
I've been wondering how to do that last morning on the ship when the toiletries have been put in the checked luggage, and put out the night before disembarkation. The other day I did a little test.

I put toothpaste on my brush and left it on the sink for the day. It was fine about 10-11 hours later. So, now I know that I can set it up that way the last night on the ship to get rid of morning mouth that last day. I'm sure my companions on the plane will be relieved, too. :rolleyes:

[Tinknock50]

Good work, handsome! :) The 7/05 and 8/06 comparison photos of you standing really show the difference well.
Congratulations and keep up the good work. :D

Just to get back to the original purpose of the thread for a minute---
I've been wondering how to do that last morning on the ship when the toiletries have been put in the checked luggage, and put out the night before disembarkation. The other day I did a little test.

I put toothpaste on my brush and left it on the sink for the day. It was fine about 10-11 hours later. So, now I know that I can set it up that way the last night on the ship to get rid of morning mouth that last day. I'm sure my companions on the plane will be relieved, too. :rolleyes:

Ruth,
Didn't you like the Sean/ Heather solution of keeping a small plastic bag with toiletries with you and slipping it into your checkins when you claim your suitcases at the port? Or slipping it into your suitcase before checking it at the airport? :)

[sail7seas]

Congratulations, Greg. What an accomplishment. You look fantastic.

Ruth......I also am pondering what to do about makeup/mouthwash/cologne.........all that. If we do a post cruise hotel stay, then no problem but if we leave the ship and head to the airport, it's such a waste to have to discard a perfectly good bottle/tube of makeup. I guess I'll start saving the ends of things. Between cruises, if I get to the end of a bottle or tube, I'll save it to bring for last evening/ last morning use and plan to discard it what little bit is left.

I'm not sure but I think I heard this week that we are now permitted to have our tube of lipstick in our purse?

Did anyone hear something about now being allowed to bring 4 oz. of liquid aboard planes? My girlfriend told me she heard that this week.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Greg, the pics are amazing! Thanks for posting. You are doing so great:) and good for you.

This morning on the Today Show they had a piece about how so many companies, hotels, travel providers are jumping on the bandwagon and coming up with a ton of stuff to fit our needs with the new travel restricitons.

They are selling pre-pasted toss away toothbrushes for one thing. And many hotels are now providing more than the usual shampoos, etc. You have but to ask them and they provide.

If I were faced with having to fly directly out from a cruise (and didn't want to use our idea about popping the little bag into my suitcase on the pier), I would bring some saran wrap or tiny cheap bottles. Put just enough of your make-up, lotion, etc., onto/into these for the morning. They make tiny plastic bags that have a ziplock. These would work. You just have to use your imagination and you'll find all kinds of things you can do.

For an upcoming 3 day trip north to visit a friend next month I don't want to check my bags. So I'm sending a goody bag ahead with tiny portions of everything. You can find all sorts of little bottles and stuff in Walmart (where I never go, but I'll make an exception;) ). Then I'll just toss them or my friend can use them for her next trip.

Hopefully Sail's right and they'll let us bring small amounts onboard. Hope that's true. I'll go check it now!!

And sharing all our ideas here is fantastic. We can do this!!!:D

[RevNeal]

My thinking is to slip my toiletries, etc., into my checked luggage when I pick them up at the port or when I'm waiting in line a the airport. Whenever I can manage it with the least amount of fuss.

The outside pockets are nice and perfect for that purpose.

[sail7seas]

I agree the outside pocket idea is good........but that does leave the most possibility for breakage/leaking. If bottles/liquids were cushioned by soft clothing or protected in a shoe or such, there'd be a better chance of it not breaking. The way luggage is tossed around, to have a bottle uncushioned in an outside pocket........

Shivers!!!!

[HeatherInFlorida]

Sail, did you see my suggestion? Greg and I posted at the same time and you may have missed it.

[amusea]

For upscale lines such as Sea Dream Yacht Club, Oceania and Regent, the country club casual dress code is used every night regardless of the length of the cruise. Since I take mostly cruises of twenty days or more, those lines offer me the opportunity to pack lightly - specifically I pack one blazer, one pair of dark rubber soled shoes, sandals, assorted open collared shirts both short and long-sleeved, 3 pair of slacks and assorted small items. This all fits nicely into one large suitcase. For HAL's upcoming 64 day cruise I must pack formal attire, two suits and two sport jackets with coordinated slacks (for all those "informal" nights), several pairs of shoes, etc. Hopefully two suitcases will hold all of this but it might require a third. IMHO the formal/ informal/ casual dress code requires much more baggage. And it is very hard to determine how many nights of each dress code will be mandated.

[sail7seas]

When you receive your documents, they will indicate specifically how many formal, informal and casual nights. Seeing as documents from HAL usually arrive about 4 weeks in advance, there's plenty of time for planning.

I agree that the three classifications of dress requires more garments but mixing and matching is always helpful.

[RevNeal]

I agree that there's a danger factor relative to putting things in the pockets.
The alternative is to do what you suggest and open one's bag and insert one's breakable whatevers into a part of the bag that won't receive the kind of impacts that will break things. If one has packed with the need to re-open and store such items in mind, that shouldn't be THAT much of a problem.

Me ... I will probably abandon a few items. If I have any shampoo left (not likely after a 15 day cruise), I'll leave it behind. I'll not bother with "stinkum" on the flight home, and I can abandon a shaving cream can and mostly-used-up toothpaste tube and deodorant stick easily too. Meaning that all I need to stash will be my hair brush, tooth brush, and the handle of my razor (I can toss the used blade away).

I know ... I'm a guy ... that's not fair. But it'll work for me. You womenfolk will have more problems.

[Aussie Gal]

First of all Greg you look amazing. Congratulations and keep up the good work. Your health will be so much better for your weight loss and you should have so much more energy now.

With regard to toothpaste and toothbrush. I have found a small toothpaste tube and toothbrush that we were given on a flight by an airline last year and I am bringing those. Once I use them on the morning of disembarkation, I will throw them away.

Jennie

[sail7seas]

Oh Jennie........You're so smart. I forgot about all those little kits we got from the various airlines when we flew transatlantic. We have bunches of those tiny tubes of toothpaste and the teeny, miniature toothbrushes. Perfect!!! Those were the days when airlines had a real first class and provided all those nice comfort things.

Now.....have to worry about the deoderants, makeup, moisturizer and all that. :( I'm sure we'll all manage one way or another but it is a royal nuisance.

[RuthC]

Ruth,
Didn't you like the Sean/ Heather solution of keeping a small plastic bag with toiletries with you and slipping it into your checkins when you claim your suitcases at the port? Or slipping it into your suitcase before checking it at the airport? :)
Frankly, Sean, I think that would be an awful lot of effort. At least for me. Once I have that suitcase locked, strapped, and off the bed it would be very difficult to get into it after retrieval. There's usually no table to get it up on; and I certainly can't get down on the floor to get into it! :eek: Then to undo the strap and reopen two sets of locks seems more trouble than it's worth.

I'm going with the idea of packing when I pack while holding back a little something for morning.

I appreciate your honest effort to help out with an idea, but it's not for me.

[cruisinjudy]

Greg,
Great job on the weight loss! Keep up the good work.

We leave on Tuesday to fly to san Diego for my daughter's wedding. Guess I will have to start thinking about these packing matters and get my suitcases out. Then when we return from the wedding we have to pack for Alaska, leaving on the 15th of Sep. It is going to be tough keeping in those weight limits with those added liquids in the check in luggage. So many hair products and moisturizers. I need to go find some small bottles to transfer my things to.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I'm guessing Sail (or anyone else for that matter) didn't like my most recent idea. I still think it's a good one. That last night it's so easy to just transfer the small amount you'd need into small cheapo bottles or snack bags. If you wanted to keep the little bottles, you could just rinse them and pop them into your carry-on.

[RuthC]

That one I like. :) Thanks for the idea.

With all the discussion and suggestions coming forth I think we'll all be ready by the time we need to put these ideas to work.
I love this community! :) :)

[sail7seas]

I'm guessing Sail (or anyone else for that matter) didn't like my most recent idea. I still think it's a good one. That last night it's so easy to just transfer the small amount you'd need into small cheapo bottles or snack bags. If you wanted to keep the little bottles, you could just rinse them and pop them into your carry-on.

I like the idea, Heather. :)

I'm just trying to translate it to the particular products I use. Not all are liquid....some come in a tube, some in a jar, some in a bottle. How to remove just a small dab from a tube and keep it useable 12 hours later? Seems an awful nuisance.

The harder they make travel, the less appealing it becomes......at least for some of us less resilient types.

I envy those of you who can simply roll with it. Not all of us are really good at doing that.

I want my face makeup, I want my face moisturizer, his and her deoderants, body lotions, hair products.....and I certainly want my toothbrush and mouthwash. As does everyone, I am sure.

[Aussie Gal]

I mentioned this earlier on in this post and this is what I am going to do.

I am bringing a minature foundation cream, a small foundation and an eye mascara that I get with all the handouts from the cosmetic companies when you spend a certain amount of dollars. eg. Estee Lauder, Clinique etc. We also have a deoderant that is nearly finished which Peter and I will share and then we will throw the lot away when we are dressed.

I have already packed them into my toiletries and they take up very little space and I will be able to leave the ship looking presentable.

As Ruth has said it would be nigh impossible to pack these into our luggage as we have the hard cases and straps. We will have to get used to this way of packing as we will be off to Europe next year and I am sure Heathrow will still have these restrictions in place.

Jennie

[Tinknock50]

I'm guessing Sail (or anyone else for that matter) didn't like my most recent idea. I still think it's a good one. That last night it's so easy to just transfer the small amount you'd need into small cheapo bottles or snack bags. If you wanted to keep the little bottles, you could just rinse them and pop them into your carry-on.

Yes, that is a great idea......those containers come in all sizes and are very cheap. I would just throw them out on the last morning.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I, too, am very particular about my products and can't just use "any old thing". However, I'm probably more the "Don't Go To The Cosmetics Counter Without Me" kind of gal:) ... and they don't hand out all that many samples of my products.

However, I can transfer any product (whether in a tube, jar or bottle) to a small container. As long as you can seal the container (i.e. put a top on it), the product will not be compromised overnight. In fact that is what I'll be doing when I ship my toiletries ahead next week.

I only fly about 4 to 5 times a year and rarely to a cruise. So my issue is just with not wanting to check my bag. So my decision becomes whether to buy the products upon arrival (as Matt Lauer does and can afford to;) ) or ship them ahead.

It's nice that the hotels are handing out these amazing goody bags, but it won't work for me because I'm not going to hotels. Eventually I'll just have a little bag of toiletries at all my friend's houses!

Incidently, stick deoderant is a-ok ... it's the gels and sprays you can't take onboard. Here are links to the TSA's most recent list of acceptable/non-acceptable items. I tried to cut and paste the whole thing, but it went haywire.

Permitted and Prohibited Items

Be Prepared for Enhanced Security - Smart Security Saves Time

Can I Take It? (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#0)
Makeup & Personal Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#1)
Medication & Special Needs Devices (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#2)
Electronic Devices (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#3)
Sharp Objects (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#4)
Sporting Goods (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#5)
Guns & Firearms (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#6)
Tools (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#7)
Martial Arts & Self Defense Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#8)
Explosive & Flammable Materials, Disabling Chemicals & Other Dangerous Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#9)
Food & Drinks (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#10)
Other Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#11)

P.S. Sail, the 4 oz. of liquid allowed that you heard about refers to eye drops only. I was much relieved to read that.

[ekerr19]

Great ideas! I also found the Sephora stores (and the website www.sephora.com (http://www.sephora.com)) has many of the smaller sized items that I like - I agree we all have our favorites, but I did manage to find a few smaller sized cosmetic items that work well for me.

I am going to create a small make-up bag and keep an eye out (and now ask for samples) when I shop for my make-up and skin care products for exactly this purpose. A lot of times, you can get the promo or "gift with purchase" at make-up counters that contain the smaller, trial size items.

We always save the airline kits and have tons of small toothbrush/toothpaste combo kits - also don't forget that Target usually has a pretty good selection of smaller sized items like mouthwash, hairspray, mousse etc.

[sail7seas]

How long do you think these items will remain banned?

Anyone think that gradually they will begin allowing toothpaste in carryon bags?

Imagine how annoying this is for the flight crews. Remember when pilots/none of us were allowed to bring razors in carryons but by the time some got to their overnight hotels, the shops were closed. They had to be back to the airports early and were supposed to be clean shaven/well groomed. Didn't take that long before we were again allowed to bring razors in our carryon bags again. I'm sure fight attendants and pilots do not want to have to do what the rest of us do......depend upon the airline to not lose, misdirect or steal from our checked suitcases.....let alone stand there and wait and wait and wait until the luggage gets to the carousels.

[HeatherInFlorida]

I wonder if the flight crews are under the same stringent guidelines as we are with their carry-ons. They certainly looked to be taking the same size bags onboard. I think the TSA may make allowances where the crew is concerned.

Speaking for myself, I hope they don't change a thing until they have thoroughly investigated this threat and concluded what exactly should be banned from onboard the aircraft to avoid bomb making of any kind.

The hardship to me is annoying yet minimal. I'm more than happy to comply. The more difficult we make it for them the better. That being said, I'm amused that I'm allowed a corkscrew, razor and 4" sharp tipped sissors, but not toothpaste in a tiny tube.

I'm hoping that they do begin to allow small size toiletries. But the problem would still be if you put 10 terrorists on an aircraft, each with a small size bottle of liquid, you can still make the bomb.

I'll check my bags.:)

[Aussie Gal]

Heather,

Thanks for posting the list. It is invaluable and will help us to pack the correct objects in our checked baggage.

Jennie

[NoNoNanette]

Thank you for posting that list, Heather. Just booked a week in Cancun for October.

That'll come in mighty handy when I start packing.....tomorrow.

*GRINNING*:D

[NoNoNanette]

Let me lay this scenario on you guys....

When flying into Cancun, one would need to buy duty-free booze THEN, and not on the way home, right?

(It's been several years since I've been in that airport, but assume that I'll check my bags to go home and THEN pass through security...leaving no opportunity for "last minute" booze) :confused:

[HeatherInFlorida]

Yikes! I hadn't even thought about the duty free liquor! Do you folks generally check that through on the planes? Or do you take it onboard? That will definitely pose a problem for some if you generally carry it onboard.

You're both welcome ... I thought the list was very helpful too. But I did hear a "funny" on Fox News tonight:D . They were talking about what you could and could not take on the plane. The gentleman was marvelling that you can wear (or have in your carry-on) a bra with a gel substance in it yet you can't bring your hair gel.

It really makes no sense because you really could inject whatever you want into the bra, right? It might take a while for them to get this banned liquid thing right.