Dress Code for Evenings

[Darspurs]

As it will be my first HAL cruise can someone confirm to me whether there are semi formal nights ( or what most cruise lines tend to call Informal - weird to an Englishman).

These days some of the cruise lines seem to be getting away from the middle dress code between formal and casual, so it would be helpful to know whether to expect 2 formal nights and 5 casual or the old 2, 3 and 2 combination.

[RuthC]

Most of the time a 7-day cruise will have 2 formal, 1 informal, and four casual evenings. The breakdown for your cruise will be listed in your documents, but is also subject to change once on the ship.
That's been known to happen.

[Krazy Kruizers]

And there will soon be some poping onto this thread telling you that they will follow the dress code for dinner, but afterwards change into more casual attire for the rest of the evening.

Just for the record - if it said "Formal" for the evening, we stay dressed that way until we retire. And the same for informal and casual. This is just us.

[Darspurs]

[QUOTE=Krazy Kruizers][B]And there will soon be some poping onto this thread telling you that they will follow the dress code for dinner, but afterwards change into more casual attire for the rest of the evening.

I couldn't agree with you more - I have never changed my clothes after dinner on any cruise. Mind you we always eat on the latest seating possible so I suppose I can understand those that are finished eating by 7pm who may want to change.

[Tinknock50]

As it will be my first HAL cruise can someone confirm to me whether there are semi formal nights ( or what most cruise lines tend to call Informal - weird to an Englishman).

These days some of the cruise lines seem to be getting away from the middle dress code between formal and casual, so it would be helpful to know whether to expect 2 formal nights and 5 casual or the old 2, 3 and 2 combination.

I have always thought "informal" was an odd word to use, too.
Always sounded like the opposite of formal.

Even though it is clearly defined in all the docs, I think "semi-formal" is an instantly recognizable description.

Actually, wouldn't mind if it were eliminated, since all it requires for men is a sport coat (no tie required). Sport coats just take that much more room in your luggage......and if you have a tux for formal night, a tux coat would look weird on infomal night.

[lougee1043]

i too follow the dress code for the entire evening

i rent a tux on board so i dont have to carry a suit and becasue of that i dont have a problem packing a sports jacket-----------by doing it this way i am actually ahead of the packing game -- because i dont have to pack suit pants

[RevNeal]

As it will be my first HAL cruise can someone confirm to me whether there are semi formal nights ( or what most cruise lines tend to call Informal - weird to an Englishman).

These days some of the cruise lines seem to be getting away from the middle dress code between formal and casual, so it would be helpful to know whether to expect 2 formal nights and 5 casual or the old 2, 3 and 2 combination.


Darspurs, welcome to the HAL board! I hope your upcoming cruise on the Westerdam is a joy for you! She's a lovely ship, and if you'd like to see some photos of her you can check her out here:

http://homepage.mac.com/revneal/westerdam05/Menu61.html

As for your question -- HAL has a well defined dress code published on their website and in the "Know Before You Go" booklet, which you will receive with your documentation. And, as Ruth has already mentioned, your cruise documents will define how many days will be formal, informal, and casual. As stated, 2 formal, 1 informal, and 5 casual are pretty common on most 7-day cruises, but that has been known to change aboard ship (usually, and unfortunately, down).

Here is HAL's Evening Dresscode as found in the current "Know Before You Go" Booklet:

Evening dress falls into three distinct categories. Each night a daily program will be delivered to your stateroom announcing the suggested dress for the following evening. Comfortable, relaxed clothing is fine for evenings designated as casual; however, T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the dining room, Lido restaurant, or public areas during the evening hours. During informal nights, dresses or pantsuits for women and jackets (tie optional) for men are standard.

On festive formal evenings, women usually wear cocktail dresses or gowns and men usually wear business suits or tuxedos. There are approximately two formal nights per week. (Gentlemen: Although business suits or tuxedos are suggested attire for formal evenings, they are certainly not required. You are welcome to wear a jacket and tie on formal nights.) Formalwear for ladies and gentlemen can be pre-ordered for your use for the duration of your cruise. Just call Cruise Line Formalwear at 800-551-5091 to reserve and it will be ready in your stateroom when you board.

In order to complement your fellow guests, Holland America asks that you observe the suggested dress code throughout the entire evening.

And, I agree with you and others on this board that the nomenclature: "informal" is really not reflective of what the Line means ... they intend "semi-formal" and I wish they would change the terms.

[RevNeal]

Just for the record - if it said "Formal" for the evening, we stay dressed that way until we retire. And the same for informal and casual. This is just us.

KK, it's not just you ... or your preference. It's what the Cruise Line asks of us ... as can be seen in the last paragraph of the dress code which I have cut-and-pasted above. That some people don't observe it doesn't mean that it's not a part of the code. :)

But, of course, people have to make such decisions for themselves.

[Tinknock50]

[quote=Krazy Kruizers][b]And there will soon be some poping onto this thread telling you that they will follow the dress code for dinner, but afterwards change into more casual attire for the rest of the evening.

I couldn't agree with you more - I have never changed my clothes after dinner on any cruise. Mind you we always eat on the latest seating possible so I suppose I can understand those that are finished eating by 7pm who may want to change.

I agree too. After going through all the trouble of dressing formal for dinner and the elegant atmophere it creates, it seems like more trouble to change again to go to a show.

[RevNeal]

Actually, wouldn't mind if it were eliminated, since all it requires for men is a sport coat (no tie required). Sport coats just take that much more room in your luggage......and if you have a tux for formal night, a tux coat would look weird on infomal night.

I avoid having to pack a sports coat by simply wearing mine in transit to the ship. Since I more often cruise in the winter months it relives me from having to carry a coat that, other than transit to and from home, would be useless aboard. Also, it's an easy matter to take the jacket off and drape it over a bag or put it in the overhead compartment if I get too warm.

Of course, I often dress up a bit more for informal night than most -- I will frequently wear clerics or a tie for that evening simply because I prefer dressing up a bit more. :) Indeed, I also wouldn't mind it if the line did away with informal nights ... but ONLY if they replaced them with formal nights. :D

(No, I'm not trying to start a war ... just stating my preference).

[RuthC]

I also wouldn't mind it if the line did away with informal nights ... but ONLY if they replaced them with formal nights.
Works for me, Greg! Just to ease into it they could start by doing away with some of the casual nights and replacing them with informal. Keep first/last nights casual, then split the rest of the cruise with the dressier code.
Then enforce it.

[RevNeal]

Works for me, Greg! Just to ease into it they could start by doing away with some of the casual nights and replacing them with informal. Keep first/last nights casual, then split the rest of the cruise with the dressier code.
Then enforce it.

Ruth, you're a lady after my own heart! Want a chocolate!?

[The Tsar]

"Of course, I often dress up a bit more for informal night than most -- I will frequently wear clerics or a tie for that evening simply because I prefer dressing up a bit more. :) Indeed, I also wouldn't mind it if the line did away with informal nights ... but ONLY if they replaced them with formal nights. :D"

I will would go one step further - Replace both the "Informal" and the "Casual" nights with "Formal" nights.

"(No, I'm not trying to start a war ... just stating my preference)."

Maybe...! :D

[Tinknock50]

i too follow the dress code for the entire evening

i rent a tux on board so i dont have to carry a suit and becasue of that i dont have a problem packing a sports jacket-----------by doing it this way i am actually ahead of the packing game -- because i dont have to pack suit pants

That wouldn't work for me because I am one of those poor cruisers on a limited budget. Better for me to bring the tux or my dark suit which have lots of miles left on them since I seldom wear them at home. $80+ is a big expense for me.

Come to think about it , $80 is the price of a cool excursion in Ketchikan I was thinking about "splurging" on. Think I would rather enjoy that than save space in my suitcase.

Now after saying this, on my budget cruise September 8th, I will only be bringing my sport coat and dress pants and tie for formal night. My mom needs assistance eating so we will be using the lido "table cloth service"
for dinner every night and won't be using the dining room. Seemed weird being the only one wearing my dark suit in the lido on my last cruise.

[Darspurs]

Thank you for the link to your photos, they are certainly some of the best photos I have seen of a cruise ship and we also have an SS suite.

The funny thing is we are only doing this Cruise because my wife wants to see Barbara Streisand in concert ( not my scene to be honest). I looked for her where she was on and it is in several cities.

So I said if she wanted to go all the way from England for a concert we might as well turn it into a short holiday. As I saw the concert is on in Fort Lauderdale on Saturday 28th October, I looked to see what cruises were going out of F/L or Miami on the Sunday and the Westerdam looked like a great option.

[Tinknock50]

Ruth, Revneal,

I wouldn't mind seeing informal go formal as an alternative to deleting informal nights. I just don't see that informal does much to add to the elegant ambiance, so would just as soon see it gone.

But yikes! on easing into it with MORE infomal nights!:eek: LOL

[AlohaPride]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

[papadave]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

Try Ebay

[happy cruzer]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

Hye, the cruise fashion board is alot of fun. And they will know exaclty where to go and how to help. they do a lot of shopping. I don't. I was wanting advice on tshirts and nice shorts for "promenading" in. They fixed me up.

[Tinknock50]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

Do you have a Savers where you live? They have nice second hand clothes. Afterall, DH will only wear it once on a cruise and it will spend most of the cruise hanging in the closet.

[RuthC]

But yikes! on easing into it with MORE infomal nights!:eek: LOL
Sean, it isn't that I want more informal nights so much as I want fewer casual nights. This whole casual thing has gotten way too sloppy too much of the time.
HAL could decrease the number of casual nights and have more formal nights. That would work, too. ;)

[bdcbbq]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

Sometimes Goodwill or the Salvatian Army can have great looking sports coats and suits. Years ago while in college, I bought several very nice suits for $5 or so. I couldn't afford anything else. They were all in great shape. I think occasionally I would have to have them altered for a few dollars. You do have to pick through things.

[Tinknock50]

Sean, it isn't that I want more informal nights so much as I want fewer casual nights. This whole casual thing has gotten way too sloppy too much of the time.
HAL could decrease the number of casual nights and have more formal nights. That would work, too. ;)

Agree, would much rather see a 3rd formal night and see the informal night eliminated.

But I also think "informal" is something that has lost its purpose in adding to the elegance of cruising and I would not miss it if it is discontinued.

We need to hear from our ship historians on the origin of informal nights. This is my uneducated guess: In the golden age of transatlantic voyages, every night was formal night. At some point, it was decided to ease up a bit, especially when ships were increasingly put to use on cruises instead of crossings, and "informal" was born. (probably looked very casual to people at the time). Casual wasn't even considered at that point. Then things relaxed even more and casual came along. Somehow informal kind of hung on so now it is a throwback to another time.

Ok, history buffs, how close am I ?

[AlohaPride]

Sometimes Goodwill or the Salvatian Army can have great looking sports coats and suits. Years ago while in college, I bought several very nice suits for $5 or so. I couldn't afford anything else. They were all in great shape. I think occasionally I would have to have them altered for a few dollars. You do have to pick through things.

I never shop at Savers, Goodwill, or Salvation Army because my allergies ALWAYS act up! Maybe I'll send DH and DM to get the jacket. They don't have allergies...

[RevNeal]

Anyone know of a place where I can get my DH a sports jacket? I was just planning on having him wear a button up shirt and khakis on the semi-formal/informal nights. But if he needs a jacket, we need to get him one...It shouldn't be too expensive because he will only be wearing it on cruises...

Mary,

What will he be wearing on formal night? If a suite, then don't bother with another jacket ... just have him dress the suit down (a different shirt with no tie). OR .... have him wear the jacket from the suit with a non-match pair of slacks and presto! Automatic Sports Jacket!!!!

If not, and you're planning on him wearing a Tux, but if he has a suit, have him bring the suit. :) There's nothing that says you HAVE to wear a sports jacket. A full suit on informal night is fine, too.

[RevNeal]

Sean, it isn't that I want more informal nights so much as I want fewer casual nights. This whole casual thing has gotten way too sloppy too much of the time.
HAL could decrease the number of casual nights and have more formal nights. That would work, too. ;)

Ruth, I agree. If passengers would treat the casual nights as elegantly casual I wouldn't mind so much. But, too often, I've seen thread-bear, ratty, hole-riddled jeans and nylon jogging suits paraded as if they were fine for "casual night." YIKES! I've even seen such on informal night! :eek: Call me a snob, if you must, but ... PLEASE ... you're on a CRUISE, at least show the decency of dressing to match the environment and occasion! You don't have to be "dressed to the nines" to be nicely dressed and presentable.

[AlohaPride]

Mary,

What will he be wearing on formal night? If a suite, then don't bother with another jacket ... just have him dress the suit down (a different shirt with no tie). OR .... have him wear the jacket from the suit with a non-match pair of slacks and presto! Automatic Sports Jacket!!!!

If not, and you're planning on him wearing a Tux, but if he has a suit, have him bring the suit. :) There's nothing that says you HAVE to wear a sports jacket. A full suit on informal night is fine, too.

Hi Greg!

**sheepish grin** He doesn't have a suit. DH is an electrician (family company, IBEW 1186) and doesn't need a suit here. Actually, there aren't that many places people wear suits here. It's usually just an aloha shirt and khakis/dress pants. I wonder if one of my dad's jackets would fit...but then DM and DF are going on a cruise the very day after we get back from ours...

We were planning on renting the Black/White package from cruiselineformals.com. I talked him into wearing a tux if I allow him to wear his nice black VANS. I know, I know, they aren't dress shoes, but HEY! He's dressing up :rolleyes: (he wore VANS in our wedding too!)

He did have a jacket a few years ago we might still have. He had to wear it to his mother's funeral, and later to his dad's funeral, but in the past year he's lost about 60 pounds.

I might look into how much it would cost to have it altered. Probably more than a sports jacket at Savers. Here is a generic question, do a lot of the men take their jackets off once they have been seated?

[RuthC]

Here is a generic question, do a lot of the men take their jackets off once they have been seated?
Generally, no, Mary. Unless there is something about the air conditioning that isn't working well in a particular area most men don't undress in the dining room.

[AlohaPride]

Generally, no, Mary. Unless there is something about the air conditioning that isn't working well in a particular area most men don't undress in the dining room.

LOL, silly me, I didn't think of it that way... :p

[Copper10-8]

Ruth, I agree. If passengers would treat the casual nights as elegantly casual I wouldn't mind so much. But, too often, I've seen thread-bear, ratty, hole-riddled jeans and nylon jogging suits paraded as if they were fine for "casual night." YIKES! I've even seen such on informal night! :eek: Call me a snob, if you must, but ... PLEASE ... you're on a CRUISE, at least show the decency of dressing to match the environment and occasion! You don't have to be "dressed to the nines" to be nicely dressed and presentable.

I think the term used before was "hoity toity";)

[RevNeal]

I think the term used before was "hoity toity";)

Sounds Frisian. :D ;)

[Tinknock50]

I think the term used before was "hoity toity";)

Leave it to John to come up with the proper terminology.:D

[JimVrhovac]

As long as the Slippers (shoes) match who cares what you wear.

Ruth and I are back on the boards.

Jim & Ruth

[hammybee]

As long as the Slippers (shoes) match who cares what you wear.

Ruth and I are back on the boards.

Jim & Ruth

Good one and welcome home.

[mydogs]

I agree with Ruth and Revneal. The more formal the better. Casual is fine for first and last nights. We have seen too many people come into dinner in the same wrinkled clothing they must have worn on their all day tours, as well as, attired in jeans. There are jeans and there are jeans. The ones that you wear for painting and mowing the grass should be left at home when cruising, the pressed and clean ones should be allowed in the Lido. Living in FL we see too many people in too casual clothing in better restaurants. That must be one of the main reason we enjoy the formal and semi formal dress codes. Do ties really take up that much space in a suitcase ?:cool: :cool: :cool:

[JimVrhovac]

Ruth (my better half) agrees with you. On formal night she gets dressed to the 9's.

I sort of comprimise. Tux with white dinner jacked, bow tie, and PEPPY LE PEW slippers. They match the Tux. Have never had a problem with them and have a lot of fun with them.

Ruth refuses to wear slippers on formal nights unless I bribe her with a new diamond trinket....... She does wear them on other nights though.

We find that too many people today do not know how to laugh and enjoy life.

Jim & Ruth

[Copper10-8]

Ruth (my better half) agrees with you. On formal night she gets dressed to the 9's.

I sort of comprimise. Tux with white dinner jacked, bow tie, and PEPPY LE PEW slippers. They match the Tux. Have never had a problem with them and have a lot of fun with them.

Ruth refuses to wear slippers on formal nights unless I bribe her with a new diamond trinket....... She does wear them on other nights though.

We find that too many people today do not know how to laugh and enjoy life.

Jim & Ruth

So what you're saying here Mr. Vrhovac is that Mrs. Vrhovac is easy to bribe, right?;) I'm always wondering what it is with women and diamonds:eek:

[twoatsea]

John - Answer: Other women!;)

[JimVrhovac]

Easy to bribe YES

Cheap No, Never, Nada

Jim

[RevNeal]

Jim,

SO GOOD to see you alive and kicking! :)
Welcome back to the board!

[Sunshine91]

We were planning on renting the Black/White package from cruiselineformals.com. I talked him into wearing a tux if I allow him to wear his nice black VANS. I know, I know, they aren't dress shoes, but HEY! He's dressing up :rolleyes: (he wore VANS in our wedding too!)

He did have a jacket a few years ago we might still have. He had to wear it to his mother's funeral, and later to his dad's funeral, but in the past year he's lost about 60 pounds.

I might look into how much it would cost to have it altered. Probably more than a sports jacket at Savers. Here is a generic question, do a lot of the men take their jackets off once they have been seated?

Hi Mary -

Let him wear his VANS. Trust me. NO ONE is gonna be looking at your sweetie's feet. As long as he has shoes on, that is.

Tell him congrats on the weight loss. And not to worry about the scale while on the cruise. Calories at sea don't count! ;)

We live near the beach too. No one here wears a suit or jacket, except to a wedding or funeral. My John is an HVAC manager, so in his trade, it's also a uniform. He does own a nice navy suit that he took on Noordam in Feb for the formal nights but I'd really like to get him a tux for January. For the informal nights (I think we had 2 or 3 on the 10 days) he wore a long-sleeved button-down shirt with a tie & dress slacks. In that get-up he was more dressed-up than quite a few of the others.

As far as gentlemen removing their jackets - the A/C in the section of the dining room we were in was well, not working. At all. The gentlemen were sweating. Profusely. They did undress. But just their jackets. My John wanted SO BADLY to help the engineers fix the A/C. He had his Leatherman tool with him. He was all prepared to answer the call. Subsequent cruisers reported the problem had been fixed. John's services weren't needed. :(

You two are gonna have so much fun. Don't worry about his clothes too much.

[Sunshine91]

Sounds Frisian. :D ;)

OK, the blonde'll bite - what's a Fris?

[Copper10-8]

OK, the blonde'll bite - what's a Fris?

Pretty sure the Rev is refering to the province of Friesland in the northern part of the Netherlands;)

[AlohaPride]

For the informal nights (I think we had 2 or 3 on the 10 days) he wore a long-sleeved button-down shirt with a tie & dress slacks. In that get-up he was more dressed-up than quite a few of the others.

That's EXACTLY what he was going to wear before I found out about the jacket. So, is this ok, or do we REALLY need a jacket for the informal nights? He's got a GREAT Looney Toons tie :)

[Tinknock50]

That's EXACTLY what he was going to wear before I found out about the jacket. So, is this ok, or do we REALLY need a jacket for the informal nights? He's got a GREAT Looney Toons tie :)

Personally I would forget about the coat.......and I agree he will look better dressed than most men on informal night with his nice shirt and tie.

[hammerinfrank]

Hye, the cruise fashion board is alot of fun. And they will know exaclty where to go and how to help. they do a lot of shopping. I don't. I was wanting advice on tshirts and nice shorts for "promenading" in. They fixed me up.

what and where is the cruise fashion board?

[serendipity1499]

That's EXACTLY what he was going to wear before I found out about the jacket. So, is this ok, or do we REALLY need a jacket for the informal nights? He's got a GREAT Looney Toons tie :)

Mary, because you are boarding a Cruise out of New York, I honestly believe that you & your DH would be more comfortable if he had a Sports Jacket for informal night..Most East Coast Northerner Men wear sport jackets or suits to work & they will also wear them on the cruise..A tie is not necessary, but many do wear one..This probably will not be your only cruise and the sports jacket will come in handy on other cruises..

We live in Florida now & understand your predicament...The only time my DH wears his sports jackets are on Cruises or to Funerals..Although I've seen men at funerals in shorts..:rolleyes: down here...I'm floored at what some wear to church here..DH wears his suits to weddings & our big Christmas Dance..Have not been able to convince him to buy a new Sport Jacket yet, but I'm working on it;) ..Dillards is having great 3 day sales-50% off & 30% off on top of that..A friend's DH bought a new Sports Jacket for around $30.00 yesterday..

When we fly DH wears his sport Jacket with dress jeans & doesn't have to pack it..Your's might want to wear his jacket under his leather coat in N.Y.

Perhaps you can check e-Bay out..They have sports jackets for men starting at $29.99..At the bottom of the page many of them give the exact measurements IE: chest, sleeve length etc.

Wish me luck in my quest, and Good luck to you..Betty :)

[Grampy]

what and where is the cruise fashion board?


You can find the CC fashion board here. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/forumdisplay.php?f=182

I need to get a life while waiting for my docs to come in.:)

[Opinions]

[QUOTE=RuthC][HAL could decrease the number of casual nights and have more formal nights. That would work, too.QUOTE]

I like the casual nights...I believe what I wear those nights follows both the letter and the spirit of the code...I don't believe they should be eliminated just because a few don't...Regardless, in my opinion a mass market cruise line like HAL isn't going to increase the number of formal nights.

[mafig]

Does HAL do anything special in the dining room on informal nights?

Our cruise (10 day Volendam) has three formal and two informal evenings. We were thinking of making reservations for the Pinnacle for one of the informal evenings but don't want to miss anything in the dining room.:D

[Tinknock50]

Personally I would forget about the coat.......and I agree he will look better dressed than most men on informal night with his nice shirt and tie.

To add to my own post:) .......

I always admired fellow cruisers that were only in a sport coat, dress pants and tie even on fomal night because maybe thats all they have. I think its the effort that matters to me.

The same goes for just dress pants, dress shirt and tie on informal night. That attire shows they made the effort to look "special" for that night as opposed to just wearing casual wear.

I don't agree with the idea , that if you can afford to cruise, you can afford to buy or rent a tux or dark suit. Might have been true 20 years ago, but not anymore. To purchase something you may never wear again makes no sense to me.

I just love to have more people enjoy cruising as much as I do, and that includes the less than wealthy people out there.:)

[RuthC]

So, is this ok, or do we REALLY need a jacket for the informal nights?
Mary, it's not like there will be a violation of the "nothing overboard" policy if your DH doesn't wear a jacket on informal night, but he really should wear one to be correctly dressed.
The thought that wearing it in NYC under a topcoat will keep him warmer is a good one to keep in mind. DH could wear the sportcoat on the plane coming/going.

[PRINSENDAM]

Pretty sure the Rev is refering to the province of Friesland in the northern part of the Netherlands;)


Where there are gutters along the sides of the roads so that the Frieslanders can swing their arms when they are out walking.

As told to me by a Rotterdam pilot many moons ago!!!!

Stephen

[Copper10-8]

Where there are gutters along the sides of the roads so that the Frieslanders can swing their arms when they are out walking.

As told to me by a Rotterdam pilot many moons ago!!!!

Stephen





Well, they do speak a funny language up there but I'm still not gonna touch the knuckle dragging part with a ten foot pole:D They have their own sail boats too you know, plus they have races in them "skûtsjesilen" (traditional boat races).
http://www.holland.com/global/index.html?page=http://www.holland.com/global/events/skuts.html

[Sunshine91]

Where there are gutters along the sides of the roads so that the Frieslanders can swing their arms when they are out walking.
You mean like orangutans? Sorry, I've had a few too many cosmos tonight & am just trying to get the mental picture. :)

[Copper10-8]

You mean like orangutans? Sorry, I've had a few too many cosmos tonight & am just trying to get the mental picture. :)

Knuckle draggers!

[Opinions]

I always admired fellow cruisers that were only in a sport coat, dress pants and tie even on fomal nights because maybe thats all they have.



Actually HAL welcomes a jacket, tie, etc. on formal nights. The HAL dress code says a tux or suit are not required on formal nights.

[Tinknock50]

Actually HAL welcomes a jacket, tie, etc. on formal nights. The HAL dress code says a tux or suit are not required on formal nights.

Yep, it sure does.:)

So guys, don't feel like you have to rush out and buy a suit or buy or rent a tux.

Also noticed on another thread that the Zaandam didn't have an "informal" night on a 7-day Alaska cruise..... just 2 formals.

[PRINSENDAM]

Well, they do speak a funny language up there but I'm still not gonna touch the knuckle dragging part with a ten foot pole:D They have their own sail boats too you know, plus they have races in them "skûtsjesilen" (traditional boat races).



And Friesland dogs have flat heads from chasing parked cars!!!


Just joking or course.


Stephen