Bahamas...Does ANYBODY have anything nice to say?

[halos]

Hi,
Been reading posts and noticed remarks here and there about people's dislike for Nassau and Freeport...it's totally bumming me out here.

Does anyone have anything good to say about either place???
Should we just stay on the ship?
I don't know if it's the excursions that Carnival offers or what. I know people who went to the Bahamas on a land vacation and loved it.
I thought "It's better in the Bahamas"?????
So what gives, people? Why do you hate the Bahamas??

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[bcs819]

Find an excursion that you like and take it. I went to the Bahamas on a land vacation and would never go back. I found it dirty, poor and depressing to see how horrible the locals have to live. That being said, we have friends who go twice a year and think it's the greatest place on Earth. Get off the ship this time and see how YOU feel. Enjoy your vacation!

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[judyf]

I loved my 3 visits there. I think it's all in the attitude. Plan to do something not just walk around the shops.

We did a semi sub one time and it was nice. First time we did dolphin encounter in Blue Lagoon, what a beautiful place. Third time went to Atlantis and that was fun too.

This was all in Nassau going to Freeport on 5/28 and I plan to have a beach day.

You will enjoy it if you plan the day!

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[kath1021]

I've been to the Nassau twice. Once back in '96 and stayed at the Atlantis (which has changed dramatically since then) and once last week on my first cruise on Carnival Glory. Yes, it is poverty-stricken and certain areas can be depressing, but I think you will find this to be true in most Caribbean destinations. We took a ferry over to Paradise Island and walked around the Atlantis and then used the public beach next to the Sheraton. Gorgeous beach! I think it's a beautiful place to visit and would never stay on the ship and miss out on experiencing a new place. At least you can say you've been there and find out if you really like it or not and then decide on your next cruise if you want to get off the ship or not. Don't not go because of other people's opinions. Have a great cruise!

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[bar10der421]

Just got back from Miracle yesterday. First time in both Nassau and Freeport.

Freeport: We did the dolphin encounter ($95pp) through Carnival and it was great. Really enjoyed it. The only problem was that we chose the later tour (9:45) and when we got back it was a mad rush to make it back to the ship in time. We had to wait for our pictures to be printed (understandable) and then find our own way through the market place to where the bus was supposed to be. On the way in we were escorted. Then there was only one bus for a mob of people so they finally started putting us in cabs.

The ship docks in a very industrial area, so that might be a turn-off for some people. You have to take a cab to go anywhere.

The market place looked okay and would have liked to have had time to shop. Friends who took an island tour said they saw beautiful homes and stopped at a very nice beach.

So would I go back? Maybe, but it just seems that the Carribean islands are nicer.

Nassau: We took a cab ($5pp) to the Crystal Palace Casino at Cable Beach. Walked right through the casino to the beach. Lots of chairs available on the beach, also a large pool and an outside bar. The water was full of seaweed and a little too cool for me, but friends who got in after we left said it was fine. There is no one on the beach selling drinks like at Meagan's bay--missed that.

Friends who took the shore tour to Blue Lagoon enjoyed it, but I have read pros and cons here on the boards. Also, those who went to Atlantis liked it, but some said it was worth $25 others say no.

There were a lot of warnings about not walking around downtown after dark.

The shopping on Bay Street was pretty good, but we avoided the straw market because we heard the vendors were very pushy. We didn't have a problem with the hairbraiders, we just said no and kept walking.

To me, any cruise is a good cruise, but if you are looking for typical Carribean, this is not it. If you make good choices, though, you can still enjoy yourself.

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[tef43]

Been there, Nassau and Freeport, a few times as cruise ports. Don't need to go back. It's not *quite* as poverty-stricken and dirty as Jamaica, but close. It *does* beat Martinique though.

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[halos]

I understand the part about 'dirty, poor and depressing'...I have seen that on each Island I have been to with the exception of Bermuda. I have seen poor locals in St. Thomas and St. Maarten seemed very poor to me. There were kids all over the place driving us crazy to give them money when we were there...but everyone seems to love those places...
I am planning on the Blue Lagoon for Nassau...not sure what we are doing in Freeport yet, and still clueless as to why Carnival spends a very long day in Port Canaveral and offers only one excursion...but I'm sure we'll find a beach there as well.

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[HOSKI]

We did not enjoy the Bahamas but are willing to try it again but next time will go to Atlantis.

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[jemingway]

I have been to both Nassau and Freeport many times. Now, I never get off the ship at either location. The empty ship has far more to offer than this part of the Bahamas. Other islands in the Bahamas are much nicer.

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[nursejewels]

I think everybody in the world should go to Blue Lagoon at least once in their life! It is paradise! We enjoyed the ferry ride over (45 min) as well, it was scenic and informative! I could've stayed there the entire vacation! You don't have the spend the extra money to do the extras, just go and spend a relaxing day on the beach or in a hammock overlooking the ocean or lagoon! Plenty of awesome photo ops! Definitely go if you are unsure of what to do...they make it easy to get there & back to the ship if you book with your cruise line! Skip the markets unless you don't mind all the arm-twisting antics and chiding when you don't buy from them.
In Freeport, just take a taxi to Lucayan beach and marketplace...it's more like private shops across the street form the beach, but don't take the bus...the wait to get back in time is too long...get a group taxi for $5. The public beach is right between 2 major resorts, and you can go walk around and look or get a drink at the tiki hut and listen to the music which is usually live there. There are also watersports rentals there.
Don't stay on the boat when you can experience a gorgeous island in the Bahamas! Just remember, you have to exercise your right to say "no" if people ask you to buy things you don't want...it's all part of the experience!

[ralmyers]

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I think both Nassau and Freeport are dirty and extremely "touristy". I would not do any shopping there, because excursions are money better spent. Just junky stuff there if you ask me. Then again I think Ocho Rios, and Cozumel are extremely impoverish and dirty. Cozumel does have decent shopping though. The Cayman's were pricey in my eyes but nice and clean. You will have a good time, never fear! Just avoid the extremely aggressive street vendors, and you will be good to go!

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[germanbini]

While on Freeport, I recommend taking the bus to Port Lucaya for a wonderful shopping and beach experience, as the ocean has that beautiful Caribbean blue color, and the island souveniers are less expensive than Nassau. The shops and beach are all within walking distance at Port Lucaya marketplace.

Nassau is a much bigger city and better for "duty free" shopping; also you can try a horse drawn carriage, or personal guided tour in a van/taxi. If you're needing internet access, there are plenty of internet cafes at only ten cents a minute (minimum 10 minutes), and go ahead and try some conch fritters at any of the local restaurants (to me they kind of taste like hush puppies with small pieces of conch [almost tastes like shrimp or clam] in them ).

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[cruisingator2]

As far as the Bahama's go, I like Nassau but do not care for Freeport. I think that Freeport is working to build themselves up since more and more ships are nowing calling. As far as poverty, show me any other island in the Caribbean that does not have poverty. I also have found Nassau to be cleaner than some other islands such as Cozumel. There are some nice beaches and of course there is Atlantis. I am going back in September for a short cruise on the Fantasy and am looking forward to it.

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[halos]

Thanks for the more uplifting comments guys.
I am not a big shopper while on vacation...never have been. I can shop at home. I enjoy doing all the things I CAN"T do at home while away. Even though I live a mere 6 miles from the beach, I do live in Maine and the North Atlantic is NOT the Caribbean! So, I tend to go for the snorkeling and other water activities while away...so I don't care about where to shop. I am not a souvenier type of gal.
Blue Lagoon will definitely be our excursion choice for Nassau, and Port Lucaya Beach sounds like a good idea for Freeport. Thanks for the suggestions!!
Now, can anyone tell me what to do all day in Port Canaveral??

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[Triguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I thought "It's better in the Bahamas"?????
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Is what "better"?
Paradise Island is the place.

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[halos]

Triguy,
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[pands]

We were on a land vacation to the Bahamas several years ago. If you have time, I would strongly recommend an excursion out to Rose Island. It was fantastic. The beach is unbelievable and there is a reef not far off the shore. Some of the best beach snorkeling I have ever done. There is volleyball, hammocks, etc but no motorized water sports. Lunch is included. I believe the excursion was about 6 hours total and a couple of years ago we payed $60 p/p. It was worth every penny.

[Barb C]

Hi Halos.

I loved the Dolphin Adventure last year. Worth the money! I think I'll tank Germanbini's advice about Port Lacaya too! Thanks for the post. Also, I seem to remember researching Port Canaveral as a port of call and finding a lot of beaches. Give it a try!

Barb C

[sgtmonz]

we've always had a blast in nassau... we usually go on the "yellow bird" rum punch adventure or hire a van to tour our group around the island... when doing that make sure you tell the driver you are interested in free shots and samples and he will take you to all the liquor stores on the island that do that... also we get 2 or 3 to haggle for our business so we can get the best price... http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[sgtmonz]

i should say however that we're a bunch of dumba** rednecks who have fun everywhere we go so you'll have to take that into account when reading my post

[halos]

Pands,
just looked into the Rose Island thing...it looks really nice!!

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[halos]

pands....
Can't do that excursion.
The tour is from 10am until 4pm. We don't get into Nassau until 11:30.
Barb,
we are sailing out of NY. Port Canaveral is our firts port of call, but Carnival only offers one excursion, which is to the Kennedy Space Center. We are in Port Canaveral from 6am until 8pm (I think). We'll find a beach to hang out at.
sgtmonz,
We usually have fun no matter what we do too. I guess I'm just a bit more uptight this cruise because we are going with another family who has never cruised before. I talked them into going with us. They are a lot of fun and we love them, I just want to make sure they have a great time. I'm sure they will, I am worrying for nothing.

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[halos]

Barb,
I'm sure the Dolphin Adventure was great! We took our family to Sea World in Florida 2 years ago and went to Discovery Cove for the day after booking MONTHS in advance. It was an amazing experience to swim with the dolphins. I will never forget it.

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[Cotton]

I LOVE the Bahamas! (Of course, I find something good/fun everywhere I go.)

I've cruised to Freeport and Nassau twice, and taken about a half dozen land trips there. In my opinion, in general, the Bahamas are much cleaner than MX - altho I love both!

In Nassau, I like to take the horse-drawn carriage 30-min. ride. Great sightseeing and relaxing as you go! Since Nassau is the capital of the Bahamas, take in some of the historic sights, like the Parliament House. I also loved going through the 3-tired Straw Market. I don't find the vendors to be any 'pushier' than in MX, f'sure! It's just a fun atmostphere there.

In Freeport, take a taxi to the Pier One restaurant for great conch chowder, conch fritters, and fresh fish entrees. To die for! Also, the restaurant is out on a pier with water surrounding it, and it has a breathtaking view!

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[Barb C]

Halos,
I'm so glad you asked this question! I'm getting good ideas for our cruise next week. We leave on the 23rd on the Miracle. It can't get here soon enough!

You and your friends will have a great trip!

Barb

[halos]

OOoooohh Barb!
Have a great time and please get back to us with a detailed review!!!

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[kfleming]

Pands, Rose Island sounds great. Where do I get info about it and how to book? I found some info on bahamasvacationguide.com but can't find info on pricing and booking. Anyone know? Thanks.

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[Barb C]

I'll be sure to write a review. It came up so fast that I'm now scrambling to get things done. Important things like my hair, pedicure....etc. You know, the basics.

We haven't been on Carnival since 8/97 so I anxious to get back.

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[eerbeek]

We loved the Lucaya Resort/Beach in Freeport. Beautiful beach and welcoming hotel.

Would NEVER EVER step foot in Atlantis again! The snobbery was overwhelming and when they wanted $25pp to walk out the back door and breathe their air (didn't want to use the pool, beach, bar, or anything, just wanted to take a peek at the beach), we laughed at them and left.

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[Barb C]

Linda,
Did you book the Lucaya resort through Carnival or just decide to go?

Barb

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Actually, we just found a cab driver and asked him to take us to a beautiful beach.

He suggested the resort and we had a lovely day. Our Lucaya Resort is MOST welcoming of cruise pax and you are welcome to their facilities (pool, poolhouse, beach, beach bar, etc.) for no charge.

Keep in mind, this was the case in 2000, but I doubt drastic changes have occured.

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[thebird]

Have not been to the Bahamas - yet
but have to say I would go anytime, no matter what I heard. You have to experience every place for yourself, in my opinion, and would rather do that (taking into account what people say), than to NOT experience at all.
Everything is different for everybody. Don't cheat yourself out of the chance to see it and decide for yourself what 'you' think of it.
Have a GREAT time!!

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[Barb C]

Halos,
Here is the website with the Cape Canaveral beaches listed. Maybe you'll find a genie in a bottle on Cocoa beach?

http://www.flausa.com/interests/beaches/cocoabeaches.php[/URL]

[judyf]

<<<<<We loved the Lucaya Resort/Beach in Freeport. Beautiful beach and welcoming hotel.>>>>>

I was thinking of going to this beach. Is there an area to snorkel? Sounds like there's restrooms, drinks available, chairs and I'm sure I can find a patch of shade.

Is there anything else of interest to see in Freeport before we go to the beach?

Thanks

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[halos]

Wow! Thanks for all the great responses!!
Linda, we heard that Atlantis was something to skip over. Friends that are cruising with us stayed there last year and they had a very good time, but they said it's not worth looking at on an excursion. From what you said, I can only agree. Lucaya resort sounds like a winner. Thanks for the input!!
Barb, Thanks for the web site. I will click on it as soon as I finish here to check it out!!
As far as hair...I have a cut appointment next week and the hair and nails (hands and feet) are getting done right before we sail. I have never treated myself to a manicure or pedicure before. I was a hairdresser for many years so I always did them myself. I figure after all this time, I ned to treat myself and have someone do it for me!
Bird, I agree with you 100%. Like I said, I am usually not this worried...I have a good time no matter where I go. It's just that when you talk people into a cruise...people who were not sure they wanted to do it, you want everything to be REALLY nice...but they are great, fun people, so I shouldn't be so anal about the details. Everything will be awesome, I'm sure. Thanks to all of you for helping me to relax about my itinerary!!
PS///lasifguvui5uh....I grew up in a big city...people trying to sell me drugs is not something that has never happened to me before...and besides, I don't usually wander when I am in ANY port off of ANY cruise. I always book excursions and stay with a group anyway, just to be safe. I think most islands have the same thing going on. You always have to be aware of your surroundings.

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[lasifguvui5uh]

First cruised to the Bahamas in '84. Went back in '97. The place got a little cleaner but the people didn't change. If you plan on going to the Straw Market, go early. By afternoon the natives ( who were so happy to take your money earlier) are now muttering derogatory remarks under their breathe as you pass by. Would only go back if it was to one of the cruise line's private islands. Also, the drug dealers are numerous and very pushy. One kept trying to sell me coke as I was walking to the beach, holding my 9 year old's hand.

[savdoc2]

We had a seminar at Atlantis a few years back and it was beautiful. While on that trip we went to Blue Lagoon on the recommendation of others. It was dirty and very disappointing. There were no hammocks or lounge chairs.

The biggest frustration we had while in Nassau was that everyone had their hand out expecting you to give them money. We took a taxi from the airport to Atlantis, when we arrived a man walked up and opened the taxi and removed our luggage from the back and put them on the curb and he expected a tip. He was not our taxi driver and he was not associated with the hotel nor did we ask for his assistance. This was the first of many situations like this. Be forwarned!!

When our cruise stopped in Nassau a year later, we did not bother to get off the ship.

[nursejewels]

sgtmonz,
You weren't by any chance on Fantasy 4/25 were you?
Julie

[kkmonga]

Just buy yourself a T-shirt that reads, "I Have No Money and Head Lice". Then run like heck to a shore excursion or Paradise Island!

The best thing about coming home from a cruise, is getting to book another one!

Kathy

[sgtmonz]

hey julie- no, it wasn't me but if it was some good ole boy having fun then it might as well have been me. i'll be on the fantasy in 36 days (06/17). so tell us real quick, how does she look after the refit?

[thebird]

HALOS

Yes, I am the same way when I feel 'responsible' for others good time, and do all the research I can, too!
Have done the same for my cruise in a few days, and "I" was the invited one! If you're anal, what does that make me?? ROFL!!

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I have posted many times concerning this subject. A cruising tourist MUST tour the island or country AWAY from the port in order to see the true beauty of the island/country.

On my recent cruise I am so grateful that I didn't take the advice of many CC posters and stayed on the ship in Martinique. Yes, the port city is large and not picturesque. But the island is very, very beautiful with a modern road system. I visited a small rain forest where I saw old growth maghogney trees, saw beautiful flowers, banana fields, small fishing villages and Mt. Pele'. I also drove by beautiful beaches, some with black sand from the volcano. I also did some shopping in the downtown area and had no problem. I was treated well and even received a discount as a cruiser by using my Visa card. I hope to revisit the island some day and stay a week.

By all means visit the island but please don't just visit the tourist/port area and then pass judgement on the whole island or country.

Thanks for letting me vent my frustation at people who judge the whole barrel of apples by the rotten one lying on top.


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[halos]

Well put parafire.

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[thebird]

couldn't have said it better myself.
in fact, was wanting to 'do' the eastern itinerary, which included Martinique. had read the other posts about the island, and wondered the same thing, but will do the island, nonetheless-so thank you, for telling me what to 'really' expect there!

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[tef43]

Parafire seems to think that once someone ventures out past the port, they will immediately be enraptured by the "natural beauty" of ______ (insert approprite island name here).

Sorry, that's simply not the case. I did virtually the same as Parafire in Martinique and came away with a completely opposite opinion. It is a dreadful place, not just the port area but the entire island. Yuck.

Barbados, Curacao, Aruba, Antigua, St Maarten, etc. Loved them all, but Martinique? Let's just say that it wouldn't bother me one bit if they designated the place as a nuclear testing site. Being that the island is a Departemnt of France doesn't help them IMO.

Moral of this rant: YMMV. Don't chastize others who do not fall into lockstep with you because you have seen the "real" Martinique and they haven't.

But I digress. The OP asked about the Bahamas. As I posted at the top of this thread, been there a few times and have no need/desire to go back. It was ok back in the day, but there's just not enough there to keep me interested anymore. Yes, it is definitely dirty and poverty-stricken, but so is most of Detroit for that matter. But Carnival doesn't stop in Detroit.

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Halos-

Didn't mean to imply you should avoid The Bahamas. When I visit a foreign country I prefer to "wander" to see what the locals are like, rather than view them through a barrier. The reference to the drug dealer was to illustrate the attitude of the locals. I was offered either drugs or sex (pray to God it was drugs) by a lady on St Thomas but she had the decency to approach me when I was alone. Another obvious dealer made eye contact with me when I was with my son but waited for me to make the first move, when I kept going he said nothing. Taking an organized excursion is definately your best bet in the Bahamas.
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[kodiac]

The Bahamas are a nice place to visit.

As stated above, I agree to plan an excursion that you want to do.

These ports, especially Nassau, adults and children are looking to make money in anyway possible. It may be a product or service. We were offered beach towels, wood carvings, hair braiding, drugs, and so forth. My girlfriend usually responds back with a "No Thank you.." or depending what time a day a child approach us "You should be in bed .. or be in school"

We have been in all regions of the Caribbean and this is worst spot to be harassed by the locals.

The excursions at the ports in the Bahamas are excellent. Don’t let the locals bother you by being nice and saying “No Thank You” and try not to look them in the eye or act interested.

Have a good cruise and enjoy!

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[MichelleP]

Have to agree with the comments about the Blue Lagoon Island excursion in Nassau. We loved it! The island was beautiful and there were all sorts of amenities… things for sale (with no harrassment), tropical drinks at a bar ($6 for a delicious Piña Colada), hair braiding, swimming, snorkeling, hammocks, picnic tables, basketball, clean restrooms, showers, hiking, calypso music. Only drawback was the lunch prices - they were charging $8.50 for a hot dog or hamburger and $11.50 for barbecued ribs or chicken. We skipped lunch because of that.

Plus it was a relatively inexpensive excursion - $29 per person. (That's without the stingray snorkeling add-on, which we didn't do.)

Cheers, Michelle P.

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[parafire]

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Yes tef43, I do enjoy the naturl beauty of an island or country when I travel. Apparently there are two islands in the caribbean with the name Martinque.

I took a four hour taxi tour with the taxi being a new Mercedes 300D. The driver spoke English and was most informative. We drove up highway N3 into the mountains. We drove past Mt. Pelee, tropical rain forests, banana fields, viewed tropical flowers and fauna. It was just terrible seeing such sights. The DePaz distillery was interesting and very clean. The surrounding grounds were well kempt and I viewed the largest rubber tree (ficus elastia) that I have ever seen. The drive through Saint-Pierre was interesting. The original capital which was totally destroyed in 1902 by the explosion of the volcano (Mt. Pelee). 30,000 people died that day. There are some remains of churchs and buildings along with a museum. The beaches there were beautiful with calm blue/green water. It was a tough sight to look at but it was part of the tour. We then rode the west coast through the quaint fishing villages of Carbet, Bellefontaine, case-Pilote and finally Schcelcher. Miles and miles of blue/green water and sandy beaches. And of course we had to look at the lush green tropical foilage. Throughout my tour I never saw the third world living conditions that are common on many ports of call. There was no trash on the side the roads and I never saw junk cars parked in yards or beside the roads.

This was MY experience of visiting Martinque.


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[BostonJess]

I've been to Nassau twice....once during spring break 2001 and once on a cruise. In 2001, we stayed in a hotel, which provided us with saltwater showers and faucet water.....I would never go back there on a vacation. I completly agree with the dirty, poor, and depressing thing. However, i went there on a cruise 2 years ago with Royal Caribbean and I went on an excursion, which turned out to be a much better experience...not by much but it was better. So, my advice is to take an excursion and avoid walking around the island. However, Atlantis is amazing and definitely worth checking out.

[BostonJess]

the booze cruise is always a hit in the Bahamas........and yes, the locals do harass you quite a bit......

[sea-cruise]

Hi Halos, It's been about 6 years since I've been to Nassau, so I don't know what it's like now. Wish there was a bigger timeframe between your Miracle and ours, so I'd have time to get the lowdown from you. As you know, you'll be debarking and we'll be embarking same day. I've been to 29 of the Islands and after awhile I started asking the cabin steward and waiter where the nice beaches are, what hotels allow you to use their pools, etc. I've always gotten good advice because they always use the facilities on their days off at certain ports. (One time they sent us to a hotel in Aruba, and the men in our group got into a game of water basketball with a group of Harley Distributors and THAT was a lot of laughs! Our guys got clawed, & bathing suits ripped off, and wondered if there was any such thing as a "foul" in that game! Heck, I didn't even mind the straw huts w/slats in the floor hanging over the ocean that were "restrooms" in the San Blas Islands in Panama, but YIKES...don't EVER swim in the water there...haha.
We actually enjoyed every island we ever went to, and brushed off anyone who offered drugs. The only places I won't go back to are the ports in South America and Israel because of the constant fighting and crime, but I know your friends will be too busy having a good time to nitpick. Life's an adventure right?

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[Joanportia]

I am not sure what your travel experience is. I did not read all the posts but I would say that in life it is best to experience things yourself. Research first and then experience. In this age of the internet; it can be a good and it can be a bad thing. Decide what makes you happiest and look for it. If you want to relax at a beach....do your research ... You know that life is like a box of chocolates etc...etc. Take all advice at face value and experience for yourself. You may fall in love with the Bahamas thousands of people have.

If you get to return to places as many do who become addicted to cruising or vacationing in the Caribbean then you may return to favorite spots or choose to seek out new experiences.

Some people like to watch movies over and over again or reread favoite books and others prefer to watch new movies or read new books. Traveling preferences are similar.

Hope this helps!

Joan

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[nursejewels]

Sgtmonz...she's a beaut! I loved her back in July '03, and I loved her more in April! I have no complaints! I am envious of you though...I wish I could win the lotto or something and go again! And watch out for the stingrays at Blue Lagoon...they "suck"...literally! And I had a big old hickey on my knee to proove it! But also a great story for the rest of the cruise! http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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[nursejewels]

...not sure what we are doing in Freeport yet, and still clueless as to why Carnival spends a very long day in Port Canaveral and offers only one excursion...but I'm sure we'll find a beach there as well.
Halos...go to Cocoa Beach and hang out at The Pier...they have live music in one of the bars, a restaraunt, and a live band on the pier outside with cafe seating also. You can sit & eat & listen to music, and then go stroll the beach or walk to the huge RonJon beach store on the main strip just up the road. It's all about 7-10 minutes from the port.

[Triguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> By all means visit the island but please don't just visit the tourist/port area and then pass judgement on the whole island or country.

Thanks for letting me vent my frustation at people who judge the whole barrel of apples by the rotten one lying on top.
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Now this poster is sincere.

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[writerbecky12]

To answer your question, YES! You bet I had a good time in the Bahamas.

We did the Dolphin Encounter at Blue Lagoon island and LOVED it! In fact, that's one of my favorite memories from my cruise.

And, I'll ditto one of the posters who said they've seen poverty in just about every port/island they've been to. I think Progreso was probably the worst...far worse than what I saw in the Bahamas. That's for sure.

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[halos]

I totally agree that you can't judge a whole barrel of apples by just the one bad one lying on top...heck, you can go to any small town, city, state in any country and have that experience....you can be in an amazing area, totally oblivious to anything other that the beauty that surrounds you...yet if you wander just a few miles in any direction, you could be in poverty stricken, drug manufacturing hell. This is true on islands AND in any city or town in the US or Europe as well.
As far as locals bothering me, I agree that it can be annoying...but for me at least, I know in my heart that I usually feel annoyed because seeing people in that condition...especially children, makes me uncomfortable with my 'wealth'. I know that my husband and I work hard for the things we have...no one ever gave us anything, but I still think that being born in the US, at the time I was born, in the area that I was born with the morals and standards passed down from me from the parents I was blessed to have been given...well, obviously I feel I have had a huge advantage.
So, when I see these people, children begging to stay alive, I try not to judge.

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[sgtmonz]

thanks julie... i'm really looking forward to seeing the ship... i've been on her 4 times before and have had a blast but it's about time that they did the refit... she was starting to show her age...

so... did you make up some good stories about how you got a hickey on your knee?

[kodiac]

Just a word of advise if you are going to Blue Lagoon...


Order room service and take it off the ship with you. The prices for food there are bad!

The excursion with the stingrays - awsome!

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