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773 Miles Away
April 13th, 2007, 05:56 PM
IN GENERAL.. how does the discount work for group cruises?

Let's say the cheapest room is $500 per person. Is it every 8 cabins you get 1 person credit - $500? Every 8 PEOPLE you get 1 person credit - $500? Every 8 cabins you get 1 CABIN credit - $500+$500??

Hawaii697
April 13th, 2007, 06:01 PM
IN GENERAL.. how does the discount work for group cruises?

Let's say the cheapest room is $500 per person. Is it every 8 cabins you get 1 person credit - $500? Every 8 PEOPLE you get 1 person credit - $500? Every 8 cabins you get 1 CABIN credit - $500+$500??

For every 8 cabins (16 people), you get one free "bed", this does not include taxes and port charges. Example, if you group coordinator and husband sail together and you have 8 cabins booked, your husband's "bed" is free. You just pay his taxes and port charges. Some groups divide the free "bed" so that all in the group gets a portion. Hope this helps.

773 Miles Away
April 13th, 2007, 06:02 PM
thanks!

Water Baby 1983
April 13th, 2007, 06:08 PM
I'll give you a real example. I am going on a group cruise where the cheapest cabin is listed on carnival's website was $329 per person, double occupancy rate. The total price for booking one person comes to $399.25 because of $70.95 tax (I think that's what the $70.25 is for...well, it doesn't matter for this example). Anyway, if 8 cabins at that price are booked, the 9th cabin gets a credit. The credit is the base cruise price not including port charges, taxes, fees, or whatever. You get the idea. Well, $329 is the base room price PLUS port charges. Therefore, the credit is around $170. Not as good as you thought, right? ;) If you book 8 cabins at a higher price, you get a higher credit for one person on the ninth cabin, I'm pretty sure. More than two people per room does not count toward anything more. Does that make sense, though? :D

773 Miles Away
April 13th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Actually...sorry.. one more question. What if you managed to book say.. 24 rooms..

so the group coordinator would get a free bed, probably the spouse.. and what happens with the 3rd?

Basically what I'm wondering is.. do they issue this as a dollar amount refund after the cruise? - they cut you a check for $1500? Do they actually say.. "you have 3 free beds, who will get the freebies?"

Water Baby 1983
April 13th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Don't know really. I have never been group coordinator myself. I'll ask and get back to you if no one else addresses the question.

big_duck
April 13th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Nobody gets a free bed.

For every 8 cabins booked you get rebated the amount of one free berth (less taxes and port fees) in the most booked cabin (not cheapest). The rebate check will come from Carnival sometime after the cruise.

sa7776
April 13th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Big Duck is right, you will be rebated after the cruise. But make sure you realize that the rebate per bed is based on the cruise price less port charges and taxes. Like Water Baby said it may not be as much as you think. I have a group going right now that the cruise after you deduct port charges etc is only $150. Also remember that the 3rd and 4th in a cabin don't count. The amount of the rebate depends on the majority of cabins. For example if you have 6 OV and 2 Balcony rooms the rebate is at the OV price. Also all the rooms must be booked in your group. If someone books on their own to get a "better deal" and then asked to be linked with your group for dining and to be near everyone elses room, they don't count.

shipty2
April 13th, 2007, 07:17 PM
It really is not much as the previous posters have said. We booked our cruise on the Liberty as a group originally and the leader was going to be credited all of $190 which we would have spread out amongst all of us (20 people). It amounted to next to nothing.

neatokimmo
April 13th, 2007, 07:38 PM
On our Nov 30th group cruise, the rebate check is just $80 for 8 cabins. BUT you get the group perk of $100 OBC per cabin. So that makes a $299 cruise that much less :)

AllenF
April 13th, 2007, 07:59 PM
So if you have alot of rooms like say 50 you can get a commision also.........give an email and I will send you the PDF so you can read it better some of the charts did post in format



GROUP FUN POINTS AND FLEXI-PRICING
Choose your points... choose your price!
Carnival Fun Points allow you to combine our preferred group rates with the amenities that you need to make your
program work or to take advantage of an even lower rate without amenities. Fun Points allow you the flexibility to
choose the price and amenities that fit your needs. Here's how it works:
Each sailing has a specific number of suggested Fun Points available (between 0 and 12) for group bookings (Fun
Points are subject to change and depend on inventory availability).
1. Use suggested Fun Points: Choose amenities until you use up all your points. With this option, you will be able
to take advantage of our menu of amenity selections and discounted group pricing.
2. Choose the lowest price: If your group wants the lowest group rate available, ask the Group Sales Department
for the no-amenities rate. If Fun Points apply on the sailing, the rate will be reduced.
3. Choose just what you need: Select only the amenities that you need for your group and reduce the price of the
cruise by giving up some of your suggested Fun Points.
4. Choose more amenities: Additional Fun Points can usually be "bought." Tell the group res agent which amenities
you need, and we will calculate their point value and quote the new (higher) group price including the extra
amenities.
Here's an example of each choice showing the effects on pricing:
Carnival Triumph 7 Day Cruise - 6 Suggested Fun Points with 4A at $599 including NCF
1. Use the six suggested points - RATE: $599, POINTS: 6: Champagne and Chocolates (1 pt), $100 per stateroom
on board credit (4 pts), Shared Cocktail Party (1 pt)
2. Choose the lowest price: - RATE: $557, POINTS: 0: No amenities
3. Choose just what you need - RATE: $571, POINTS: 2: Private cocktail party (2 pts)
4. Choose more amenities to meet your needs - RATE: $641, POINTS: 12: Champagne & Chocolates (1 pt), Bottle
of House White Wine (1 pt), Private Cocktail party (2 pts), 1 free for 10 (4 pts), $100 per stateroom on board
credit (4 pts).
Carnival's Group Fun Points provide an innovative and exciting approach to group pricing. In addition to group
discounts, Fun Points provide another tool to help you succeed in developing group business.
All amenities apply only to full fare (first/second) guests in stateroom, unless otherwise noted.
Attached is a listing of the available amenities and their point value based on cruise duration.
CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES, CARNIVAL PLACE,
3655 NW 87 AVENUE, MIAMI, FLORIDA 33178-2428
GROUP SALES: 305-599-2666; 800-327-5782
email: groupsales@carnival.com
GRFP AGT 0906 - 1
GRFP AGT 0906 - 2
Carnival FUN POINTS
Choose Your Points, Choose Your Price
Min. Staterooms 3 4 5 6 7 8 10+
Required day day day day day day day
COMPLIMENTARIES/GIFTS
Bon Voyage Champagne and Chocolates 5 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Bon Voyage Sparkling Cider and Chocolates 5 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Premium Bottle of Champagne and Canapes 25 7 5 4 4 3 3 2
Bottle of house White wine (in stateroom or at dinner) 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Bottle of house Red wine (in stateroom or at dinner) 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Bottle of White wine, cheese and crackers 5 4 3 2 2 2 2 2
Bottle of Red wine, cheese and crackers 5 4 3 2 2 2 2 2
Carnival Robes 5 6 5 4 4 3 2 2
Photo Coupon 5 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
8 x 10 Group photo 25 3 2 2 2 1 1 1
Bon Voyage Memory Box 5 2 2 2 1 1 1 1
Carnival Tote Bag 5 2 2 1 1 1 1 1
Shared Cocktail Party 8 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Private Cocktail Party 50 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Coffee-Danish Breakfast Meeting 25 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Carnival Corporate University Seminar (one session) 25 N/A 5 4 3 3 3 2
PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES
Extra $20pp off 3rd/4th rates 5 7 5 4 4 3 3 2
$20pp Bus Allowance (paid after sailing)1 5 7 5 4 4 3 3 2
$30pp Bus Allowance (paid after sailing)1 5 10 8 6 6 4 4 3
Fund Raiser 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
ONBOARD CREDIT2
$25/stateroom 5 2 2 1 1 1 1 N/A
$50/stateroom 5 4 3 3 3 2 2 1
$75/stateroom 5 6 5 4 4 3 3 2
$100/stateroom 5 8 6 5 5 4 4 3
$200/stateroom 5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 6
UPGRADES
Based on inventory availability, assigned at final payment; one per group; only applies within category type (i.e. interior to interior)
One Category Interior, Oceanview or Balcony 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Two Categories Interior, Oceanview, or Balcony 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
REDUCED TOUR CONDUCTOR RATIOS
A maximum of one tour conductor amenity can be chosen per group
1-for-12 8 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
1-for-10 8 4 3 3 4 4 4 4
1-for-8 8 6 5 5 6 6 7 7
Extra Free Berth/25 guests (max 4) 12 3 3 3 3 3 4 4
BONUS COMMISSION2
$25/stateroom 8 4 3 3 3 2 2 1
$50/stateroom 8 8 6 5 5 4 3 3
$75/stateroom 8 N/A 9 8 7 5 5 4
$100/stateroom 8 N/A N/A 10 9 7 6 5
UPFRONT STATEROOM
1 Agent Rate Stateroom 15 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Group Leader Suite Upgrade 20 2 2 2 3 3 3 3
NOTES
Please note that the minimum stateroom requirements, will be enforced on all groups.
Amenities are capacity controlled and point values are subject to change.
1. Bus allowances will be paid after the group has sailed.
2. A maximum of one onboard credit or bonus commission can be purchased per group.
3. Amenities may not apply on certain rate codes and are only available in category 4A and above; check your group booking "Statement
of Group Request" for details
CARNIVAL FUN POINTS
TERMS FOR FUN POINTS
COMPLIMENTARIES/GIFTS
Complimentary gift orders may be delivered with group leader's or organization's compliments if desired. Delivery day to
be confirmed by Carnival.
Group Photos must be scheduled two (2) weeks in advance of sailing with Group Event Planning. One photo per full fare
guest. Make your reservation early because group photo appointments are limited.
Photo Coupon ($15 value) - One per stateroom.
Bon Voyage Memory Box includes a keepsake photo album, four photo frame/mailing cards, and his and hers rubber photo
frames. One per stateroom.
Carnival Tote is a canvas logoed bag. One per each first/second guest in stateroom, maximum 2.
Robes - Maximum of two robes per stateroom.
Shared party is one hour open bar with dry snacks shared among other groups booked into this promotional category on
the same sailing. Scheduling at Carnival's discretion.
Private party is one hour open bar with hot and cold hors d'oeuvres and is scheduled at Carnival's discretion.
One coffee-danish breakfast meeting. Must be scheduled two (2) weeks prior to sailing with Groups Event Planning. One
per group. Make your reservation early because meeting space is limited.
Carnival Corporate University sessions can be used for team building or professional development. Must be scheduled at
least 4 weeks prior to sailing. One session per group. For details, check: http://www.carnivalmeetings.com and click on
"Corporate University."
PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES
Fundraiser: CCL will match funds raised by the non-profit organization up to $5 per person, per day, i.e., 3 day cruise $15 per
person, 8 day cruise $40 per person. "Contribution" check, based on actual number of staterooms sailed, will be made payable
to the non-profit organization and mailed c/o the travel agency after the sailing.
Proof of fundraiser must be submitted in order for contribution check to be paid.
If the group marks up the cruise to cover fund raising, a signed credit card authorization must be submitted for any staterooms
charged in excess of the cruise fare.
ON BOARD CREDITS
Credits apply per stateroom and are split evenly between first two guests in stateroom.
UPGRADES
Based on inventory availability, one per group. Upgraded cabin numbers are not assigned until final payment for the group is
received. Only applies within category type, (i.e, interior to interior). Once upgrades have been confirmed, this amenity may
not be changed. Two category upgrades may not be available on some ships or in some categories.
Upgrades to suites are not available.
REDUCED TOUR CONDUCTOR RATIOS
Require a minimum of eight staterooms to be booked.
A maximum of one tour conductor amenity can be chosen per group. One for 12 means that the 13th full fare guest is
complimentary, 1 for 8 means that the 9th is complimentary, etc.
Extra Free berth/25 guests - Allows one additional free berth for each 25 full fare guests in addition to the normal comp
policy. Maximum of 4 additional free berths.
BONUS COMMISSIONS
Bonus Commissions apply to fully paid staterooms, excluding agent rates or other reduced special net rates. Paid after sailing.
UPFRONT STATEROOM
$35/day agent rate stateroom to be used by travel agent and his/her guest sharing the stateroom. Stateroom to be assigned
by Carnival on a TBA basis in the category where the majority of the space is sold, subject to availability.
Group Leader Suite upgrade provided at time group reaches 20 sold/fully deposited staterooms. Upgrade is to category 12
or 11, subject to availability. At least 50% of the staterooms must be booked in oceanview or higher categories. The
stateroom receiving the upgrade will be upgraded from a category 8A rate (or from 6C rate on ships where 8A is not a
valid category).
BUYING DOWN RATES
If Fun Points are used to reduce the group fare and the group finalized with less than 5 staterooms, then the reduction will
no longer apply and all cabins will be re-priced. GRFP AGT 0906 - 3

GoinCruisin
April 13th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Keep in mind if you are doing a CC group cruise, it's completely different... none of the "above post" really applies... if you have 16 cabins or 100 cabins, you cap out at just the rebate for the 2 berths... so if you are looking for a CC group cruise, look at that part of the boards and request the info, but don't expect it to match what you see above... just FYI :D

heymom32000
April 13th, 2007, 10:07 PM
So if we do a group cruise and have 8 rooms booked we can do both the $100per room credit as well as one of the complimentary gifts? Plus we will get 1 berth free (not to include the port fees/taxes)?

If we would choose not to do the points then they will just lower the cost of our cruise but we will not receive a complimentary gift or the onboard credit? We will receive the 1 berth free?

I want to make sure I understand completely what all we CAN get so that when I go to book the cruise I know upfront if somebody is trying to "cheat" us out of something. Ya know? Thanks for all the help

AllenF
April 13th, 2007, 10:10 PM
The above info is from Carnival which my TA passed on to me for my Friends and family cruise to Alaska. So if you have enough people already and do not wish to have CC control it this shows you your options for perks based on points.

GoinCruisin
April 13th, 2007, 10:15 PM
So if we do a group cruise and have 8 rooms booked we can do both the $100per room credit as well as one of the complimentary gifts? Plus we will get 1 berth free (not to include the port fees/taxes)?

If we would choose not to do the points then they will just lower the cost of our cruise but we will not receive a complimentary gift or the onboard credit? We will receive the 1 berth free?

I want to make sure I understand completely what all we CAN get so that when I go to book the cruise I know upfront if somebody is trying to "cheat" us out of something. Ya know? Thanks for all the help

It depends on the points given to your sailing.. your group TA should let you know how many points you have to work with...the free berth is based on the category with the most rooms booked and will be given in rebate form after your cruise. As for everything else, I'm only familiar with the CC groups, so I'm not sure. But your group TA should be able to help you... if you want to be safe, just book your group through Carnival.... good luck!! It can be a lot of work, but it's also a good deal of fun!!

heymom32000
April 13th, 2007, 10:20 PM
I was told 6 points and that the $100 onboard credit is 4 points for this cruise.

AllenF
April 13th, 2007, 10:24 PM
For my Alaska cruise we have 12 Balcony cabins 2 insides and 2 suites and we got 4 points plus 2 free Berths. We choose 100 ship board credit for the 4 points and we got 1800 for the 2 berth based on balcony rates (900) minus port and taxes since they are the most cabins in a Cat booked. We spilt the 1800 between everybody to lower the cost of the cruise 112.50 per person in addition to the group rate.

AllenF
April 13th, 2007, 10:27 PM
So you could get a private cocktail party with the 2 points you have left Heymom....If you give me an email I can send you the PDF so you can read it better to see the format correctly.

heymom32000
April 13th, 2007, 10:31 PM
you can reach me at heymom32000@yahoo.com Many members in our group do not drink so a cocktail party would not work. With so many choices I know I can find one that will work. Now to figure out who to book through.

AllenF
April 13th, 2007, 10:36 PM
You have mail.

choclitsnda
April 13th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Howdy AllenF, if you don't mind, would you send me the PDF also? Thanx in advance. rokki1cruise@yahoo.com

SmooCruise
April 14th, 2007, 12:22 AM
So if you have alot of rooms like say 50 you can get a commision also.........give an email and I will send you the PDF so you can read it better some of the charts did post in format


May I have that PDF please? mcmoo@sbcglobal.net

so to all you experienced "groupies" out there....which is a better group program? CC or Carnival?

choclitsnda
April 14th, 2007, 04:24 AM
so to all you experienced "groupies" out there....which is a better group program? CC or Carnival?

That's exactly why I wanted the PDF...so I could TRY to figure that out.(I've been wondering about that for quite some time.)

BTW....Thanx, Allen. :cool:

AllenF
April 14th, 2007, 09:09 AM
If you have enough people already (8) cabins I think you have a little more control over your group by doing it yourself I am using My own TA and she is using Carnivals group program. If you need people to get to at least 8 cabins then CC is better but then you have to go by CC rules and who they use which pretty much seems to be the same TA for every group cruise and according to GC the group leader does not get the same option on perks since some of the CC groups can get rather large.

Hawaii697
April 14th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I'll give you a real example. I am going on a group cruise where the cheapest cabin is listed on carnival's website was $329 per person, double occupancy rate. The total price for booking one person comes to $399.25 because of $70.95 tax (I think that's what the $70.25 is for...well, it doesn't matter for this example). Anyway, if 8 cabins at that price are booked, the 9th cabin (its one person credit, not cabin) gets a credit. The credit is the base cruise price not including port charges, taxes, fees, or whatever. You get the idea. Well, $329 is the base room price PLUS port charges. Therefore, the credit is around $170. Not as good as you thought, right? ;) If you book 8 cabins at a higher price, you get a higher credit for one person on the ninth cabin, I'm pretty sure. More than two people per room does not count toward anything more. Does that make sense, though? :D Depending on the travel agent, your credit can be applied once all payments are in. You do not have to wait for a rebate.

Hawaii697
April 14th, 2007, 11:19 AM
So if we do a group cruise and have 8 rooms booked we can do both the $100per room credit as well as one of the complimentary gifts? Yes. Plus we will get 1 berth free (not to include the port fees/taxes)? Yes

If we would choose not to do the points then they will just lower the cost of our cruise but we will not receive a complimentary gift or the onboard credit? No. We will receive the 1 berth free? Yes

I want to make sure I understand completely what all we CAN get so that when I go to book the cruise I know upfront if somebody is trying to "cheat" us out of something. Ya know? Thanks for all the help

Hope this helps!

crusinmama06
April 14th, 2007, 11:20 AM
ALSO, be warned...the cruise YOU choose may not "accept groups"...or the groups may be sold out. I am taking a group on Sensation in August and we are getting NADA! I have been back and forth with carnival about this, but they only allow so many groups on board and once the group allowance is gone, it's GONE.

They explained it to me like this. There is a groups department that is separate from the normal reservations. They are given so much inventory to sell. Once it's gone, it's gone.

So book early and check with the groups department to see if the cruise you choose is eligible for groups.

Glama
April 14th, 2007, 11:33 AM
Just wanted to add a couple of things, I've been a GL many times. If you sell 50 cabins, 26 of them insides, and 24 of them suites, you're TC will be based on the INSIDE cabin rate, because that is the category you sold the most.

Secondly, Carnival will allow the GL's to "skip" final payment, and apply their TC value to their final payment. You don't ALWAYS have to get it in the form of a rebate. They used to allow GL's to just book with the low $25-50 deposit, and not make ANY more payments, if the TC's covered the cost, but now, GL's at least need to pay the full deposit. You need a good TA to negotiate this for you though, they don't generally tell people this. RCI will NOT allow it, it's always in rebate form, and you always have to pay for the full value of your cruise.

If you spread the value of the TC's out amongst the people in your group, the TA that you booked with usually "covers" the value out of their own pocket, and keeps the TC rebate. Think about it, when starting a group, many people have NO idea how large it will get, which type cabin will be booked most, or who will cancel last minute. How could they accurately figure the TC rate until after sailing, and therefore can't count on the value being spread correctly. Find a TA that will cover the cost, and accept the rebate as "collateral".

Also, some GL's prefer to take upgrades rather than the TC value. Figure out the value of your TC's, and see if you can upgrade to a better cabin, if that's what you want to do. Again, a good TA can negotiate that for you, because in many cases, they will cover the cost out of their own pocket. Find a TA that is VERY knowledgeable about groups, not just your average Carnival PVP. I can't stress enough how your TA will become your new best friend when booking a group!!

Many GL's use the value of the TC's to do nice things for their group, make little goodie packets, giveaways, or buy them a private party if it's not included in the ammenities. Being a GL is HARD WORK, especially if you plan excursions, private parties, giveaways, etc... and sometimes the work you put in isn't even worth the value of the TC. You gotta do it because you LOVE it, not for the money, because believe me, it's never as much as you think it's going to be, lol.

nothomeonacruise
April 14th, 2007, 11:40 AM
My brother and his family are trying to join us on our Thanksgiving cruise on the Triumph and they are being told the ship is booked.

jcanino
April 14th, 2007, 09:13 PM
For every 8 cabins booked you get rebated the amount of one free berth (less taxes and port fees) in the most booked cabin (not cheapest). The rebate check will come from Carnival sometime after the cruise.

How you get your money for the free berths depends the number of cabins and on who you book through. If you were to book 17 cabins and the group leader was taking the free's for him/her self, they do not have to pay up front when using most travel agents. When we book a group and the group leader decides to split the money between the cabins, we don't wait 6 weeks to send people checks. We take it right off their final amount due as we know it will be coming to us anyway. The free berths earned is not always in the form of a rebate after cruising.

jcanino
April 14th, 2007, 09:16 PM
So if you have alot of rooms like say 50 you can get a commision also.........give an email and I will send you the PDF so you can read it better some of the charts did post in format

The commission you see on that chart is for travel agents only!

mbmsy
April 20th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Send a copy to me please.

mbmsy@ cox.net

AllenF
April 20th, 2007, 06:36 PM
The commission you see on that chart is for travel agents only!
It reads to me you can have either OBC or a Bonus Commision does not say for TA only. This chart is for Group leaders and how they wish to use their points. I would think if you had a very large group the bonus commision would be better than 4 free berths


BONUS COMMISSION2
$25/stateroom 8 4 3 3 3 2 2 1
$50/stateroom 8 8 6 5 5 4 3 3
$75/stateroom 8 N/A 9 8 7 5 5 4
$100/stateroom

NOTES
Please note that the minimum stateroom requirements, will be enforced on all groups.
Amenities are capacity controlled and point values are subject to change.
1. Bus allowances will be paid after the group has sailed.
2. A maximum of one onboard credit or bonus commission can be purchased per group.
3. Amenities may not apply on certain rate codes and are only available in category 4A and above; check your group booking "Statement
of Group Request" for details

jcanino
April 21st, 2007, 07:29 AM
It reads to me you can have either OBC or a Bonus Commision does not say for TA only. This chart is for Group leaders and how they wish to use their points. I would think if you had a very large group the bonus commision would be better than 4 free berths

The document you have is intended for travel agents, not the general public. Trust me, no cruise line is going to pay a non travel agent a commission.

hockeyluver
April 21st, 2007, 08:09 AM
So you could get a private cocktail party with the 2 points you have left Heymom....If you give me an email I can send you the PDF so you can read it better to see the format correctly.

Could you please send me the PDF also redwingfan19@msn.com

thank you

Lilygrace
April 21st, 2007, 02:07 PM
It really is not much as the previous posters have said. We booked our cruise on the Liberty as a group originally and the leader was going to be credited all of $190 which we would have spread out amongst all of us (20 people). It amounted to next to nothing.
When are you going on the Liberty that you got such a low price for you room. Is it an inside room?