Smoking on Azamara

[pittipatga]

:( We are booked on the Quest December 8, 2007. Have just noticed all the changes - new name Azamara - and the limited smoking area. Particularly the no smoking on your own balcony. Called Celebrity to ask - was told they have been receiving lots of calls about this. They haven't decided for sure about the Quest but it is definite on the Journey. I guess we will have to rethink this cruise. My husband just won't go for two weeks on a cruise where he can't smoke on his own balcony. WOW. Celebrity said they would let me know Monday what the verdict is. I hate to have to start looking for another December cruise, but I'll have no choice.:confused:

[cruzin princess]

Hi:

Where did you hear that you can't smoke on your own balcony? I sure hope you're wrong or they will have alot of cancellations.

[pittipatga]

Somewhere here on the boards I read where there was smoking only in designated areas on the Journey. No smoking except in the designated areas. Not it the Casino, or pool area, or in your staterooms/suites or verandas. I went to Celebrity web site and there it was. I called Celebrity and they verified that was true for the Journey. I ask about the Quest and was told they would e-mail/call me on Monday. I haven't told my husband yet as he would make me cancel now. I will wait until I have been told it's true also on the Quest. I don't smoke, but, I understand others do and I think they get a bad rap. If you are paying for a suite and veranda, you should be able to smoke on it. If Celebrity is going to enforce this change, we will have to sail with another. :( Hope I can get my money back.:eek:

[Charles4515]

:( We are booked on the Quest December 8, 2007. Have just noticed all the changes - new name Azamara - and the limited smoking area. Particularly the no smoking on your own balcony. Called Celebrity to ask - was told they have been receiving lots of calls about this. They haven't decided for sure about the Quest but it is definite on the Journey. I guess we will have to rethink this cruise. My husband just won't go for two weeks on a cruise where he can't smoke on his own balcony. WOW. Celebrity said they would let me know Monday what the verdict is. I hate to have to start looking for another December cruise, but I'll have no choice.:confused:

The smoking policy on Azamara makes me very happy! I am going to love it on Journey next September. And I will finaly be able to use a ships Casino!

[ecslady]

The smoking policy on Azamara makes me very happy! I am going to love it on Journey next September. And I will finaly be able to use a ships Casino!

I'm with you! Maybe I'll be able to visit the casino, too! :)

For those wanting the exact wording of the smoking policy and answer to other questions, see the FAQ section on the new website.

http://www.azamaracruises.com/07/azamara/about-azamara/faqs.htm

[pittipatga]

We will all just have to watch and wait. I remember the one smoke free ship and how all the non-smokers just raved about it - but the ship didn't last long. I feel that if Celebrity was going to make this change - they should have done it prior selling staterooms - but we will see.
One day - maybe they will start putting a weight limit on folks.:p

[bubbie617]

As a former smoker, I do understand about wanting to have a cigarette while you are relaxing on your veranda. Unfortunately the smoke does not know that it is supposed to stay on your balcony only, and it comes to visit me. My husband is very asthmatic and cannot stay on the balcony if the smoke wafts over.

What happens is that your enjoyment interferes with my enjoyment. Neither one of us is more important than the other, so that leaves us with a conundrum. Azamara has settled it by setting this policy. We'll see if it lasts.

[xplrcrzn]

Well folks, Oceania's "no smoking" policy (except for limited, designated areas) is one of its big draws--and they literally put you off the ship if you violate it.

[m steve]

on your balcony. We don't cruise Oceania because my friend doesn't want to get dressed in the am to have a cigarette or have to run up 4 decks to get to a designated area. Screw that! So far there seems like no reason to sail this line. No cabin measurements, no details on itineraries and prices. It's more of Hannerhan trying to squeeze more bucks from us.

[lisiamc]

on your balcony. We don't cruise Oceania because my friend doesn't want to get dressed in the am to have a cigarette or have to run up 4 decks to get to a designated area. Screw that! So far there seems like no reason to sail this line. No cabin measurements, no details on itineraries and prices. It's more of Hannerhan trying to squeeze more bucks from us.

We'll miss you!:)

I see plenty of reasons why Azamara will suit me very well, silly name or not. We're trying Journey by accident, as we originally booked Zenith to Bermuda. I've liked most of the changes I've heard about, and I especially like the severe cut-back in smoking areas. Remember, they don't need to find thousands of people to fill these ships for each cruise, only 710.

Lisa

[Susan-M]

So far there seems like no reason to sail this line.

I feel just the opposite .... so many great reasons to sail on Journey and Quest - the size of the ships, the interesting itineraries and the non-smoking policy ... plus the affiliation with Celebrity, who we've had 4 great cruises with:)

[LHP]

Sounds like they have found a niche' (cruisers who love restricted smoking ~not totally nonsmoking~ like Oceania) and are trying to fill it.

There are still plenty of other cruise ships for people who don't want to be inconvenienced.

[1cruiselvr]

I like the policy. For those that do smoke there is a simple solution - don't sail on Azamara if you feel you must smoke in your cabin or balcony. There are lots of other CLs that don't have this smoking policy. Happy Sailing!

[mmemichele]

The smoking policy on Azamara makes me very happy! I am going to love it on Journey next September. And I will finaly be able to use a ships Casino!

Hurray Hurray
Finally nonsmoking casinos and other areas
Definitely will look into this cruise line for future cruises!!!!!!!!!

[sueclark]

We have also canceled our Antarctica cruise - for the smoking policy. In fact, I'm a TA and we have canceled over $70,000 in Journey bookings (one was a group where the majority were smokers). Ouch! Sadly for Celebrity/Azamara, I can say that most of these folks are now looking at Holland America and or Regent.

[Apex Cruiser]

We sail on Oceania in twelve days and I can tell you that the smoking policy along with country club casual and open dining was what put them over the top with us. Oceania has had no problem filling three ships of this size and now we will have a choice with RCL who we have liked. This line fits perfectly in with Oceania and I see us using both for future cruises. There are many lines out there that offer plenty of smoking opportunities so two for those of us who prefer to not deal with it seems very reasonable.

To those who point to the Paradise as a failed example you need to understand a few things. One it was Carnival who caters to a very different customer. Two Carnival heavily relies on other on board revenue, casinos, drinks which are much less relied on by Oceania and I would assume on these ships as well. Finally the ships sailed mostly full and it was strictly a profitability decision not a lack of passengers that did in the Paradise.

I am very happy to now have two similar lines available helps to keep prices in line and offers an alternative for those of us looking for something different. I’ll still look to RCL/Celebrity for short Caribbean cruises but I really want to use these lines for those special trips to places one does not get to see on most mass market lines. Thank you Oceania for setting the example and creating this category, I know it follows Rens example, and thanks RCL for having the guts to follow and provide another high quality not luxury line.

[Albert Ross]

...no details on itineraries and prices.. You can book Journey and Quest up to Oct08 and Nov08 respectively.

[CCandJD]

The smoking policy on Azamara makes me very happy! I am going to love it on Journey next September. And I will finaly be able to use a ships Casino!

I'm with you, Charles! When we sailed on Mercury to Alaska last May, we couldn't enjoy our balcony because our neighbors were constantly out on their's, smoking. If we opened our balcony door, our room smelled like an ashtray. I am perfectly happy to know that this will not be the case on our Bermuda cruise (in 2 weeks!! Can't wait!).

[Blondie007]

We are three couples, all booked for a reunion cruise on Quest..
All cancelling!!!
Thats three suites, 14 nights, x a LOT of champagne, lots of spa treatments, shore excursions and six very extensive bar bills..


NOT happy from this corner either :mad:

The only good thing now however is that the non smokers can now all get together on their own wee ship whilst we party it up on the others..

I am not saying X are wrong..I am however furious that this has not been made clear at the time of booking. We have a lot of plans now to change.. will see what TA says on Tuesday.

[TPKeller]

What happens is that your enjoyment interferes with my enjoyment. Neither one of us is more important than the other, so that leaves us with a conundrum.
Susan,

This is the best description of the problem that I have ever seen. Short, polite, and indisputable.

It is always much easier for a smoker to "interfere", because in order for a non-smoker to "interfere", they must ask a smoker to refrain. Smokers often interfere without even being aware they are doing so, and many non-smokers are reluctant to ask them to stop or move for fear of confrontation.

If everyone saw the problem as you have described it, I suspect such encounters could be much more civil.

It will indeed be very interesting to see how this policy affects sales and whether or not it stays in place.

Theron

[Albert Ross]

If you read the FAQs you will note that the smoking policy specifically applies to the Journey - the Quest is not mentioned (yet!) so why not hold off on your cancellations until you are sure?
http://www.azamaracruises.com/07/azamara/about-azamara/faqs.htm#will-smoking-be-allowed

[Leela]

My only issue with the "new" smoking policy is that it's causing problems for people who booked before it became widely known. Fortunately it's a lot easier to cancel a cruise ticket than it is an airplane ticket...I hope that those who decide to cancel don't have any problems doing so in terms of getting back their deposits etc.

Going forward into the future I think so long as it is made very clear to people when they are booking that the smoking is quite restricted, then it could work out fine. And if it doesn't, well, Azamara could always change it.

[Mr. Tucker]

My perception is the real problem is not that you can't smoke but rather the fact Celebrity waited so long to inform anybody that this was their intention.

For months now they have been taking bookings for these ships and at the same time they were tight lipped about how these ships were going to be run. This was not an overnight decision and it is completely inappropriate to spring this on their customers is this manner. To me it is typical Celebrity procedure.

I am all for a no smoking ship, however, the people that are boarding today will no doubt be smoking in their rooms (who could blame them) in defiance of this abrupt policy. The now clean rooms will not recover from the inherent smoke smell in the carpet, furniture and all other soft goods and hence the non-smokers of the future will also receive a surprise in that their room will have that musky smoke odor to it.

Not a great way to start a new cruise line by p#@$ing off your customer base. Word of this will travel quickly through the industry and Celebrity/Azamara is going to be in for some rough treatment on these boards for the manner in which they have so poorly handled this.

[Susan-M]

If you read the FAQs you will note that the smoking policy specifically applies to the Journey - the Quest is not mentioned (yet!) so why not hold off on your cancellations until you are sure?
http://www.azamaracruises.com/07/azamara/about-azamara/faqs.htm#will-smoking-be-allowed


But the question in the FAQ section, "Will smoking be allowed on these ships?" seems to indicate that the policy will apply to both.

[Susan-M]

. Word of this will travel quickly through the industry and Celebrity/Azamara is going to be in for some rough treatment on these boards for the manner in which they have so poorly handled this.

They've also made a lot of people very happy, so the rough treatment will be offset by 'pats on the back'.

[Blondie007]

My only issue with the "new" smoking policy is that it's causing problems for people who booked before it became widely known. Fortunately it's a lot easier to cancel a cruise ticket than it is an airplane ticket...I hope that those who decide to cancel don't have any problems doing so in terms of getting back their deposits etc.

Going forward into the future I think so long as it is made very clear to people when they are booking that the smoking is quite restricted, then it could work out fine. And if it doesn't, well, Azamara could always change it.


Well said Leela! We are all travelling from different countries around the world, involving many flights and pre cruise stays... THIS is what we are livid about..fine..go non smoking..but be up front...even yet, its still not clear on the site. If you were not a follower of this forum, it wouldnt be obvious its non smoking etc.. Celebrity should make it crystal clear, on all headings..that this is non smoking cruising!
We cant hang off to wait and see as X are doing with Quest.. we need to make decisions now..not later..
As for those on Journey today..I see mutiny aboard!

[rswallis]

I smoke and think the smoking restrictions in public spaces on Azamara are good ones. However, I would make one change -- smokers may smoke in cabins and on balconies on the port side cabins only. That way, people who are very allergic or sensitive to smokers can book the starboard side and those who smoke, or don't care, can book port side.

[pittipatga]

SueClark, MrTucker, Lula, Blondie 007, and others - it would be interesting to know how many do cancel with X because of their failure to inform customers of their plans to change the rules until after we have purchased staterooms. I guess you have to check frequently to see what changes they are making. I hate it for those who are sailing now and won't know about the changes until they are "thrown off the boat" as some have suggested. Next you will not be able to drink on your balcony because there may be a recovering alcoholic next to you who you are threatening, or you will need to whisper because what you are saying may bother someone, or the worst - all that horrible perfume/aftershave that smells up everything and may make others sick. Need to take all of that out of the giftshops and don't allow passengers to wear anything that smells. Quit stinking alcohol in everyone's face and having people walk around with it in their hand, and sitting next to you at dinner. This could really get of hand - sure is hard to just go on vacation.:(
I never have a problem with rules, but make them before the games starts.:)

[cruzin princess]

If they were going to make the Journey & Quest ship "smoking restricted" they should have said that in the Expedition book where the cruises were published. Not one single word on the subject.

Those people that are already booked for either ship should be allowed to smoke on their balconies because that is the way it has always been on all Celebrity & RCL ships.

Future bookings should then have to follow the new rules.

If I were booked on the Journey today, you can rest assured I would be livid too!!!

[xplrcrzn]

I'm sure RCL/Celebrity considered all "sides" in deciding their smoking policies. In general, the trend for all public facilities has been to restrict or ban smoking--entire cities, even countries, are doing it. With cruise ships, there are safety considerations since the Princess fire as well as maintenance issues--cleaning/deodorizing rooms & softgoods, etc. As for cancellations v. new bookings, Oceania's experience has shown that severely restricting smoking can be a positive business decision. I don't think they want this new line to become known as the smoker's alternative to Oceania.

[LHT28]

Oceania's experience has shown that severely restricting smoking can be a positive business decision. I don't think they want this new line to become known as the smoker's alternative to Oceania.

I think Azamara should allow smoking then those that complain on Oceania can sail AZA and leave the O ships smoke free!!! :D:D:D

[Mr. Tucker]

They've also made a lot of people very happy, so the rough treatment will be offset by 'pats on the back'.

You have totally missed the point.

This is not about whether you can smoke or not but rather were the passengers allowed to make an informed decision prior to booking and making plans.

First you switch ships on them and tell them nothing else will be different. Then you say its all open seating. Next its casual clothes so they don't get to play dress up. The list goes on culminating the day before the first cruise with the no smoking policy.

Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Celebrity does not have a clue when it comes to figuring out what they are doing with these ships. They so badly want to emulate the sucess of Oceania that they forgot all about their current passengers and their once rock solid customer base that they are shattering.

One other interesting point - you now can't even discuss or compare Celebrity with Azamara on the Celebrity cruise critic site. One guess who was behind that. How quickly Celebrity wants to distance themselves from this debacle.

[xplrcrzn]

LHT28-That would certainly answer some of Frank DelRio's prayers!

[Charles4515]

Well said Leela! We are all travelling from different countries around the world, involving many flights and pre cruise stays... THIS is what we are livid about..fine..go non smoking..but be up front...even yet, its still not clear on the site. If you were not a follower of this forum, it wouldnt be obvious its non smoking etc.. Celebrity should make it crystal clear, on all headings..that this is non smoking cruising!
We cant hang off to wait and see as X are doing with Quest.. we need to make decisions now..not later..
As for those on Journey today..I see mutiny aboard!

The ship is not non-smoking! There are still two designated smoking areas. Yes, they have limited the smoking areas but they have not eliminated it. Get used to this. Smoking areas have been becoming more limited on all the cruise lines and the trend will continue.

[usha]

I'm sure RCL/Celebrity considered all "sides" in deciding their smoking policies. In general, the trend for all public facilities has been to restrict or ban smoking--entire cities, even countries, are doing it. With cruise ships, there are safety considerations since the Princess fire as well as maintenance issues--cleaning/deodorizing rooms & softgoods, etc. As for cancellations v. new bookings, Oceania's experience has shown that severely restricting smoking can be a positive business decision. I don't think they want this new line to become known as the smoker's alternative to Oceania.
...an enthusiastic "AMEN!" to all of that. :D

[cruising with marti]

We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic? :D

Phil

[Charles4515]

We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic? :D

Phil

They probably have a brig they could confine you in but I suspect they will move you to a cabin without a balcony if someone complains about your smoking on the balcony. If it is such a big deal for you not to smoke on the balcony I suggest that you cancel. it is probably not worth the hassle it will be for you if you violate their policy.

[Albert Ross]

But the question in the FAQ section, "Will smoking be allowed on these ships?" seems to indicate that the policy will apply to both.
I did say 'yet'!!!

[cruising with marti]

They probably have a brig they could confine you in but I suspect they will move you to a cabin without a balcony if someone complains about your smoking on the balcony. If it is such a big deal for you not to smoke on the balcony I suggest that you cancel. it is probably not worth the hassle it will be for you if you violate their policy.
Ah, the brig or a inside cabin , that will work, as long as they don't confinscate my beloved Camels:D

By the way, I love the words " violate thier policy" and what kind of person would turn me in?

Phil

[Mr. Tucker]

We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic? :D

Phil

They could choose to fine you upwards of $500.00 per day directly to your ship board account. Better read the fine print of the contract before you make your own rules up. Your cruise is over a year away. Perhaps if you don't want to follow rules you should be looking at an alternate cruise. Isn't that the same answer given to those who state they are not going to dress up for dinner.

I would understand your point of view if your cruise were in the next six months. But a year away is plenty of time to make alternate arrangements rather than negatively impact others cruisers. What would be the big deal of going to the one designated smoking area on deck? A little exercise on the way to and from a cigarette is bound to do you some good.

[Mr. Tucker]

By the way, I love the words " violate thier policy" and what kind of person would turn me in?

Phil

Got to love those who support all of the policys until one happens to adversely effect them.

As far as turning you in - you would be surprised how quickly your neighbors above, below and beside you will get turned off by your smoking and ashes going all over them. Now they are armed with something they can do about it. On the other hand if you don't care about your fellow passengers or your pocketbook - by all means go ahead.

[Charles4515]

Ah, the brig or a inside cabin , that will work, as long as they don't confinscate my beloved Camels:D

By the way, I love the words " violate thier policy" and what kind of person would turn me in?

Phil

Someone on an adjoining balcony who is bothered by the smoke or ashes. i have read quite a few compliants on the different cruise boards from cruisers in balconys about smoke, butts and ashes coming onto theirs from smokers on other balconies.

[dschoch3]

really, there ought to be some middle ground here!:confused: designate certain staterooms or certain parts of the promenade deck as smoking...and of course a small corner of the casino...if society stomped on drinkers as much as smokers...well, that's a whole other issue! For people who booked the Journey (or the Zenith) without knowing these restrictions, it seems grossly unfair IMHO

[JORAY]

We are canceling our bookings on both the Journey & Quest.

Why -- extremely limited smoking venues. -- mainly can not smoke in our suite or on the veranda.

Note: before we booked the two cruises we asked and were told by Celebrity area manger via our TA (who just forwarded the Email) that where was not a change from the normal Celebrity policy on smoking). Our TA reports she will lose $60,000 in bookings because of some restrictions that are now being shown.

We are Elite with 30 cruise points. (12 cruises with them)

Now looking at HAL and have booked with them!
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[cruising with marti]

Someone on an adjoining balcony who is bothered by the smoke or ashes. i have read quite a few compliants on the different cruise boards from cruisers in balconys about smoke, butts and ashes coming onto theirs from smokers on other balconies.
Charles, I am just pulling your leg a little. Iam a smoker but if the rule does exist on the Quest, I will just trudge on up to the smoking area ( I might be in my bath robe) for my morning coffee and cig,

Seriously, the issue is no one was informed of this smoking policy until yesterday, which is very unfair to the hundred of smokers who have bookings on these ships.

Phil

[cruzin princess]

cruzing with marti you hit the nail right on the head. The people that are already booked have a real beef.

I for one transferred my booking in November from the Constellation to the Quest. Not in a million years would I have done that if I knew I couldn't sit out on my balcony with a cocktail and a cigarette.

I truly believe that this should have been decided back when the Expedition book which included the Journey and the Quest was published. If it had been in writing then, no problem; huge problem for us smokers now!!

I am awaiting a return phone call on the subject both from Celebrity and Azamura; along with the Captains Club.

I can't possibly imagine how they can justify this to customers that are already booked.
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[RuthlessBoss]

We were going to try Azamara, but not with this ruling in place. I'll be damned if I have to trudge to another part of the ship to have a smoke and coffee in the morning! For all you chesire cats out there, enjoy your ship and I'll give my dollars to another cruiseline. They'll fill the ship initially just because it is something new to check out, and they'll brag about a full ship, but wait till later when this newness wears off!:D

[Charles4515]

Charles, I am just pulling your leg a little. Iam a smoker but if the rule does exist on the Quest, I will just trudge on up to the smoking area ( I might be in my bath robe) for my morning coffee and cig,

Seriously, the issue is no one was informed of this smoking policy until yesterday, which is very unfair to the hundred of smokers who have bookings on these ships.

Phil

I can understand that the change coming after you booked would seem unfair but a lot of things get changed by cruise lines after bookings get made. I do think they should let anyone cancel or tranfer their bookings without penalty who is affected.

I guessed they would have a smoking policy like the one they have instituted. The reason I guessed they would have a restricted policy was because they have been pretty much copying Oceania, not Princess with these R ships. They want to be in the market that draws to Oceania.

[Charles4515]

We were going to try Azamara, but not with this ruling in place. I'll be damned if I have to trudge to another part of the ship to have a smoke and coffee in the morning! For all you chesire cats out there, enjoy your ship and I'll give my dollars to another cruiseline. They'll fill the ship initially just because it is something new to check out, and they'll brag about a full ship, but wait till later when this newness wears off!:D

Oceania, the cruise line that Celebrity has copied this policy from has been expanding. They have recently ordered a new build.

[cruising with marti]

Got to love those who support all of the policys until one happens to adversely effect them.

As far as turning you in - you would be surprised how quickly your neighbors above, below and beside you will get turned off by your smoking and ashes going all over them. Now they are armed with something they can do about it. On the other hand if you don't care about your fellow passengers or your pocketbook - by all means go ahead.
Mr. Tucker, you seem to be missing the point. I do not go out of my way to ignore policys that adv ersly effect me. I just don't patronize companys or products that have negative impact on me.

A good example of this is, I do not cruise Oceana cruise line because of thier smoking policys, am I angry at them? No, I just don't use thier product.

If had been informed of the policys on these new ships, I would not have booked them.

We cruise 3 times a year and have done so for many years, I have yet to hear of one complaint about me smoking on my balcony, nor have I complained about loud and boistrous fellow passngers. But am I "armed with something I can do about it" I don't think so.

So you might consider that as a smoker I should have had Information about the restricted smoking policys.

Phil

[Mr. Tucker]

So you might consider that as a smoker I should have had Information about the restricted smoking policys.

Phil




I would support your stance if your cruise was imminent. A year away is a long time to make alternate plans. If local governments forced restaurants/bars to abolish smoking overnight there would be a huge outcry. They typically provide six months notice of a change in policy, so one year is more than fair.

As far as complaints from neighbors on adjoining balconies about smoke and ashes etc - these boards are absolutely full of them.

Now your previous statements may have been made tongue in cheek - so I apologize for not necessarily recognizing that.

[LHT28]

I am sure if you have not made your final payment you can cancel or transfer to another ship without penalty
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For those that are in the penalty phase you might try asking if you can transfer your booking to another ship without penalty or cancel without penalty because of the new policies.
It doesn't hurt to ask.
Write a letter to the CEO stating your displeasure in the way things were kept secret. Stating you would not have booked knowing there would not be smoking allowed in the cabins, no formal nights or no children's programs etc...

[MoreCruisesNow]

This whole thread is amazing to me, even as a person who smoked for forty years before my recent coronary.

But...the most amazing thing is that the smoking policy is being seen as some sort of "secret" or on-purpose delay of the release of the policy almost as an effort to "trap" smokers.

I think what the delay in the first cruise today shows is that this whole Azamara Journey exercise has been a pretty last-minute change in plans and has caught everyone fairly flat-footed, including the company, who is going to be in the hole a couple of million for the problems onboard that delayed today's sailing.

Too often here, we tend to assume the worst possible construction on things that happen...this thead, for instance, and the IN (wansn't it?) in late from Hawaii last weekend.

Sometimes things just happen and their ain't no devil to be discovered.

[laidbackin LA]

Hooray for reduced smoking! Just for this I will schedule a massage, get lots of cocktails, and buy shore excursions! Yay!

[cruising with marti]

I would support your stance if your cruise was imminent. A year away is a long time to make alternate plans. If local governments forced restaurants/bars to abolish smoking overnight there would be a huge outcry. They typically provide six months notice of a change in policy, so one year is more than fair.

As far as complaints from neighbors on adjoining balconies about smoke and ashes etc - these boards are absolutely full of them.

Now your previous statements may have been made tongue in cheek - so I apologize for not necessarily recognizing that.

Your right. my cruise is not imminent, and I have plenty of time to make other plans (although I probably won't, because we have commited to other folks, who by the way, as well as my wife are non smokers)
My point remains the same, the unfairness to those folks who are in a penalty phase, I know, I know life is not fair,:p


Phil

[Dagny]

Restricting smoking to a certain area of the ship is a great compromise that really should appease everyone. Both the smokers and non-smokers alike suffer minimal discomfort and disruption as the few steps both have to take to either get to or go around the smoke deck seems reasonable. As does the amount of notice given by the line.

[gillianrose]

Sounds like they have found a niche' (cruisers who love restricted smoking ~not totally nonsmoking~ like Oceania) and are trying to fill it..

From what I have been told, the restrictions sound almost exactly like Oceania, i.e. totally nonsmoking except for the two areas mentioned.

I wish there were no smoking at all on Azamara, but am thrilled that I don't have to "jump ship" from Celebrity to Oceania just to be assured that no smoke from someone else's balcony will drift to mine, won't have to worry about fires from lit cigarettes on the balcony, a la Princess, that the linens and other softgoods won't be stinky.

I applaud Celebrity/Azamara for the decision to go non-smoking.

They WILL succeed, regardless what the smoking naysayers predict.

In fact, I think I'll go out and buy some stock. :-)

[Mr. Tucker]

My point remains the same, the unfairness to those folks who are in a penalty phase, I know, I know life is not fair,


Phil





I fully understand that point and was definitely on the other side of the fence earlier today with respect to how could Celebrity/Azamara do this to their passengers.

One would expect them to waive the penalty clause if so requested. However if someone is in the penalty phase there is very little time to make alternate arrangements and re-arrange flights etc..

My point from earlier today also remains the same - "This has been one very poorly managed transition all in a knee jerk reaction to being rebuffed by Oceania in their takeover attempt". Plans to hatch a new cruiseline is not an overnight affair and I think Celebrity/RCI jumped the gun without really knowing what they were doing. Doesn't seem like a real smart business move to me.

Good luck in whatever you plan to do as after a tiny amount of research I realize your transatlantic on Quest is tied to a B2B on another ship and obviously not easy to rearrange.

[1cruiselvr]

I hope Azamara sticks to their policy regarding smoking. There are smoking areas on the ship. If a smoker isn't happy with that, then they can cancel their cruise. If they are in the penalty phase then i guess they have no choice but to be an adult and smoke only where allowed or forfeit their deposit. How can we get our children to respect rules if we as adults are going to ignore them whenever we don't like them? Happy Sailing!

[cruising with marti]

Thanks for the good wishes Mr, Tucker. Things will work out, the cruise out of Rome departs the same day we arrive on the Quest.

Ya know, my sweet wife was more upset about the smoking issue than I was, even tho she is a non smoker, she is always thinking about my comfort, either that or she is fearful of my onery mood if I go to long with out a smoke:D


Phil

[Brig&Luc]

I smoke and think the smoking restrictions in public spaces on Azamara are good ones. However, I would make one change -- smokers may smoke in cabins and on balconies on the port side cabins only. That way, people who are very allergic or sensitive to smokers can book the starboard side and those who smoke, or don't care, can book port side.

rswallis; I totally agree with you. I am a smoker and yes I do make every effort to be sensitive of non-smokers; even though i'm sure at times my smoking annoys people. I am well aware of this. What you are suggesting is probably the most reasonable idea I've heard / read here. That way the two ships could cater to both.

We were actually at the point of booking the Quest but now are awaiting the verdict on Monday as to the smoking policy before we book. This would have been our first try with Celebrity.

I'm still hopefull that Azamara / Celebrity is reading and watching this board and will make a decision that is equitable to all.:rolleyes:

[cruzin princess]

Brig & Luc

I guess I missed something. Where did you hear that they are making a decision on Monday about the smoking policy?

[ejbmorr]

I smoke and think the smoking restrictions in public spaces on Azamara are good ones. However, I would make one change -- smokers may smoke in cabins and on balconies on the port side cabins only. That way, people who are very allergic or sensitive to smokers can book the starboard side and those who smoke, or don't care, can book port side.

The four of us agree 100% with your response. Glad this news broke one day before, and not one day after, we booked our upcoming cruise. Some things sometimes do work out for the best. The Journey had sounded very good, except for the dining attire arrangements, but that was something that could be adapted to without affecting the overall cruise experience.
We will be watching along with a number of you for the outcome. Until then, all of you lucky non-smokers, have a wonderful first cruise. We can't wait to hear all about it.

[Randyk47]

Count us among the canceling cruisers. Luckily our booking was on the Quest next March but unless something drastic happens in the next few days we'll be dropping a great cabin on what could have been a great cruise for us. Some have asked "why not wait?" Well, we always book a year out, give or take a month or two. We'd narrowed our research down to three cruises and decided on the Quest. Since then the cabin category we were interested in on one of the other cruises has booked full.....that's why we won't/can't wait too long to dump the Quest cruise.

[chunky monkey]

I am really thrilled to see the the smoking policy was change with less than Amonth to go before my cruise so I guess Ill fofit half the cruise fare and cancel my other bookings. this on top of the fact that this cruise was booked in May of last year and when they changed to Journey I got A room in a much worse location than I had on the Zeinth.

[caliber35]

Celebrity has made a very bad move in trying to copy Oceania outright. I hope they are reading these boards and come to their senses! If they were counting on former X passengers moving up to Azamara, they are in for a rude awakening. I tried Oceania once and will not return due to their absurd smoking policy. I could not even enjoy my pipe anywhere indoors, only in one small outside area by the pool. I remember when all the Michael's Clubs were cigar bars, then they eliminated those and the rooms sat empty until they could figure out what to do with them. I have been an avid Celebrity fan until this announcement, have over 15 cruises in five years with them, but with this decision they have lost my business, for better of for worse.

[mikedw]

I'm actually surprised that more cruise lines haven't made the balconies non smoking ever since the fire on princess which was causes by a cigarette. I feel for the smokers but more and more places are becoming non smoking. Even here in Maryland starting next February, all restaurants, bars and private clubs will be non smoking. Can't wait might rejoin the American Legion now that I can eat there without stinking. Another 10 years, I truly believe that you'll only be allowed to smoke in your house and car.

Take care,

Michael

[JkyLovesRuss]

I'm actually surprised that more cruise lines haven't made the balconies non smoking ever since the fire on princess which was causes by a cigarette. I feel for the smokers but more and more places are becoming non smoking. Even here in Maryland starting next February, all restaurants, bars and private clubs will be non smoking. Can't wait might rejoin the American Legion now that I can eat there without stinking. Another 10 years, I truly believe that you'll only be allowed to smoke in your house and car.

Take care,

Michael

In Puerto Rico, you cannot smoke in your own car (while driving), you will get a fine...

[sevigny]

I have not posted on this board before, since I usually cruise with HAL. However, we are booked on the Journey in December. I had not realized that Celebrity had such a liberal smoking policy. Personally, I am thrilled that the Journey will have a very limited smoking policy, since I have very bad asthma. I was worried that since we have an aft cabin, we would have smoke drifting down to our veranda from the top decks aft. However, I do agree that Celebrity has done a lousy job of notifying people. I would be equally ticked to find out in mid December that they had rescinded their current smoking policy and gone back to a more liveral one. With that said though, I feel much better about being able to breathe easier on our cruise. Just my opinion.

[RuthlessBoss]

For all you asthmatics and smoke allergies, why is it you only blame smoke to cause an attack? the asthma came from something internal with you alone, or did your previous smoking cause the problem? How do you avoid all the other irritants? Something in the air or food caused you to get this diagnosis. As for areas to smoke being so limited, how would you drinkers like it to be told upon boarding the ship that the new rule is no alcohol in your room, balcony,the dining room, the pool,the theatre, sitting areas, and decks? Yes, you can have a drink at a table in the aft area of the ship, on one side only!! Come on non smokers, we smokers have other places to go and enjoy ourselves, so we don't need your comments about how happy you are about no smoking. The point to this thread is HOW IT WAS HANDLED WITH NO WARNING!

[JkyLovesRuss]

For all you asthmatics and smoke allergies, why is it you only blame smoke to cause an attack? the asthma came from something internal with you alone, or did your previous smoking cause the problem? How do you avoid all the other irritants? Something in the air or food caused you to get this diagnosis. As for areas to smoke being so limited, how would you drinkers like it to be told upon boarding the ship that the new rule is no alcohol in your room, balcony,the dining room, the pool,the theatre, sitting areas, and decks?
If you smoke a cigarette next to me, it "may" affect me, BUT if I have a drink next to you, it WILL NOT affect you!

Yes, you can have a drink at a table in the aft area of the ship, on one side only!! Come on non smokers, we smokers have other places to go and enjoy ourselves, so we don't need your comments about how happy you are about no smoking. True, mean comments are uncalled for! however, everyone here is entitled to their opinion, such as yourself, no?

The point to this thread is HOW IT WAS HANDLED WITH NO WARNING! X/Azamara should have informed everyone of the new smoking policy.. thanks for pointing this out!? :rolleyes:
;)

[RuthlessBoss]

It didn't take long for the comment of how a drink next to me would affect me, I knew the comment was coming!!! You missed the point!!! I was saying if your enjoyment is a drink, and you are accustomed to drinking in your room, dining room etc., and that priveledge was taken away with no prior notice, how would you feel? Would you want to stay on the ship or perhaps not even book the cruise? That's what the smokers are getting at!!

[Host Andy]

Hi Everyone !

I am glad this thread is staying relatively civilized. I realize this is a very sensitive topic for all of us. I hope the thread continues in an informative fashion.

I am not in favor of smoking in cabins and even more so, on the balconies. I hope we havent forgotten what happened on Star Princess. While it was tragic that 1 person died, it could have been far worse. That event was a real eye opener for all Cruise passengers.

I have been amazed that since the Star Princess accident, that more Cruiselines have not either banned smoking onboard, or reduced it dramatically. I know that those passengers who smoke, will not be happy with any curtailment of smoking, but safety onboard a Cruise ship MUST always come first.

For those who made comments that its not about smoking, but more about how the matter was handled, you have my sympathy. IMHO, this decision should have been made a long time ago, so that smokers could make a decision that works best for them.

[Mr. Tucker]

Come on non smokers, we smokers have other places to go and enjoy ourselves, so we don't need your comments about how happy you are about no smoking. The point to this thread is HOW IT WAS HANDLED WITH NO WARNING!

For those who made comments that its not about smoking, but more about how the matter was handled, you have my sympathy. IMHO, this decision should have been made a long time ago, so that smokers could make a decision that works best for them.

Exactly the point.

It would be nice if someone from Celebrity/Azamara came forward and apologized - saying basically we screwed up with this extremely late notice, this will indeed be our policy henceforth and what can we do to make it better for you if this policy is seriously going to impact your pleasure on the cruise you booked.

Never going to happen and that is why this will remain a can of worms and a very emotional controversial issue to those who now feel slighted and have not time to make alternate plans.

[pittipatga]

The fire on the Princess was a tragedy. It was caused by a cigarette. How many cruisers are at sea at this very minute. Many many thousands I would think. 24/7/365. One incident with all those folks smoking on their balconies and rooms seems statistacilly insignificant. There are far more folks falling overboard - probably from alcohol. I didn't want this tread to get into a battle between smokers and non-smokers. Drinkers and non-drinkers. I don't do either and don't care who does or doesn't. I just wanted to go on vacation. If you want to smoke - fine -if you want to drink - fine. It was just an attempt to discuss the way Celebrity has handeled the rules for their new ships. One day before their failed first sailing, a new web site with new information. When I called Celebrity to inquire about the Quest, I was told they would let me know Monday. I just found this entire way of doing business kinda sad. I will sign off this thread now.:confused:

[JkyLovesRuss]

It didn't take long for the comment of how a drink next to me would affect me, I knew the comment was coming!!! You missed the point!!! I was saying if your enjoyment is a drink, and you are accustomed to drinking in your room, dining room etc., and that priveledge was taken away with no prior notice, how would you feel? Would you want to stay on the ship or perhaps not even book the cruise? That's what the smokers are getting at!!

Ha ha, you baited the hook and i went for it! I knew that's what you were doing!

I understand you 100%. I don't drink in my cabin either. I have a glass of wine with my dinner. I try a different wine each night... If they didn't offer wine with dinner, it wouldn't change my mind about my vacation... I wouldn't have withdrawl.. I agree with you in the sense that if they knew they were changing their smoking policy, they should have informed you sooner... If they change the smoking rules and add more designated smoking areas it will NOT ruin my vacation at all!

Happy cruising to all!

[yosh12]

I don't think this is a big conspiracy by the cruise line. We booked our Disney vacation and paid in full months ago. Just found out last week all Disney resorts are now non-smoking except in designated areas outside., effective June 1. We check in June 2. Noone offered me a refund or compensation. Don't think the kids will be too happy if we cancel now b/c someone can't smoke in the room.

Stuff happens. You make the best of it. Especially with smoking...this seems to be the way most places are headed. It's really not a big surprise.

The ship's not that big anyway, so how far could the walk be to the "designated" area??

[Gadgetguru]

The fire on the Princess was a tragedy. It was caused by a cigarette. How many cruisers are at sea at this very minute. Many many thousands I would think. 24/7/365. One incident with all those folks smoking on their balconies and rooms seems statistacilly insignificant. There are far more folks falling overboard - probably from alcohol. I didn't want this tread to get into a battle between smokers and non-smokers. Drinkers and non-drinkers. I don't do either and don't care who does or doesn't. I just wanted to go on vacation. If you want to smoke - fine -if you want to drink - fine. It was just an attempt to discuss the way Celebrity has handeled the rules for their new ships. One day before their failed first sailing, a new web site with new information. When I called Celebrity to inquire about the Quest, I was told they would let me know Monday. I just found this entire way of doing business kinda sad. I will sign off this thread now.:confused:

Something to think about I do not think that the family and friends of the "statistacilly insignificant" would agree with you.

[suz1607]

I can sympathize with those booked on a virtually non-smoking ship without the knowledge that this was the case when they booked. From reading this thread it would seem to me a future solution might be to have either Journey or Quest non-smoking and the other smoking "as usual". The itineraries could be switched each year in order to allow for cruising diversity for each group. Is that too simple?

[oceanbear]

Celebrity/Azmara – My wife and I thank you for instituting the new non-smoking policy! I like Celebrity, but have been contemplating switching to Oceania in part because of their non-smoking policy. Now I don’t have to. I was once a smoker and even after I quit I worked and socialized with smokers for many years and did not find smoking particularly offensive, but my wife always did. Once my workplaces became non-smoking and I was in a non-smoking environment, I began to find smoking offensive as well. I don’t think most smokers will ever understand how smoke bothers non-smokers. I can “smell” a smoker light up a cigarette across the room. Smoke curling up from the blackjack player next to me in the casino burns my nose. Smoke wafting over from the balcony next to me ruins the “smell of the sea”. Occupying the cabin of a previous heavy smoker can ruin our cruise, as it did last year on the Summit. The cabin underwent 4 days of cleaning to get the smell out of the cabin. Smokers don’t get it! They don’t smell their own smoke or that of others. It’s like wearing perfume or cologne. A few minutes after applying it, you don’t smell it on yourself anymore, but everyone else does. I can understand that Celebrity would be adversely affected by instituting these non-smoking regulations on it’s large ships, but I have no doubt they will be able to fill up 2 - 750 passenger ships with non-smokers. As for it being unfair that Celebrity did not inform us of these regulations prior to clients booking, well most if not all of us took a chance by booking a cruise before we even knew what the ships were really going to offer, and even how they were going to be outfitted during their dry-dock periods. I don’t blame smokers for canceling; smoking is part of your daily routine. Please realize it’s not you we dislike it’s the smoke we can’t tolerate, and please don’t use the liquor analogy. I have never had drinker spray liquor on me as he drinks. I look forward to my next smoke free cruise and I wish you well on your cruise as well!

[RuthlessBoss]

The liquor analogy was only meant to give drinkers of liquor "food for thought", what if your passtime or casual use of it was denied at the last minute? No comments about "How will your drink affect me?" As for the fire on that ship, it was found the ship had flammable materials in use. Without that, how else could the fire start? Would it start on metal while the ship was in motion?

[DGP1111]

I checked all the posts on this thread before asking this question, just to make sure it wasn't already addressed -- and did not find it.

Will these ships choose to remove cigarettes from the onboard shops in an effort to limit the chances of the newly announced policies from being violated?? A number of Theme Parks banned gum sales many years ago to assist in keeping that litter problem at a minimum. Yes, you can still bring gum in, as will someone be able to take cigarettes onboard. . . but was curious to know what will be done regarding a big 'money maker' in the onboard shops. Any thoughts??

[LHT28]

Celebrity/Azmara – My wife and I thank you for instituting the new non-smoking policy! I like Celebrity, but have been contemplating switching to Oceania in part because of their non-smoking policy.

Just to point out that the ships are NOT non-smoking ......they have very limited areas for smoking.
People can still enjoy their smokes just not anywhere they please.

[Charles4515]

I live in a large Condo building. About three years ago while I was on a cruise a resident, not an owner, started a fire smoking in bed. Lucky no one was injured. Besides destroying that unit, three adjoining units and the hallway were heavily damaged because the smoker reopened the door and went back in to get clothes. Doing that caused the fire to spread. He had ran out naked. That same year one of my co-workers lost his father in a fire. His father was smoking in bed.

[garykool81]

The liquor analogy was only meant to give drinkers of liquor "food for thought", what if your passtime or casual use of it was denied at the last minute? No comments about "How will your drink affect me?" As for the fire on that ship, it was found the ship had flammable materials in use. Without that, how else could the fire start? Would it start on metal while the ship was in motion?

That passtime already has had major restrictions put on it. You are not permitted to drink while operating a motor vehicle, as this poses a major risk to those OTHER than yourself.

Likewise, you should not be permitted to smoke in public rooms, spreading deadly, cancer-causing toxins throughout the air for OTHERS to breathe, as this causes a major risk to people other than yourself.

No one is telling anyone that they cannot smoke. Rather, they're being told that they cannot do it in a way that endangers others with their personal, deadly habit.

[Randyk47]

For us, and the reason we've canceled our cruise, is not the restrictions on public areas. Fully understand that. What is causing us to cancel is that we would not be permited to smoke in the privacy of our cabin. Sure, we should quit smoking, no question. But until we do quit we won't be going on a 14-day cruise where we can only smoke in two relatively small designated areas. That's just not a vacation for us. :(

[GAV BOY]

For us, and the reason we've canceled our cruise, is not the restrictions on public areas. Fully understand that. What is causing us to cancel is that we would not be permited to smoke in the privacy of our cabin. Sure, we should quit smoking, no question. But until we do quit we won't be going on a 14-day cruise where we can only smoke in two relatively small designated areas. That's just not a vacation for us. :(

As a Smoker you do not realise how disgusting it is for a non-smoker to have to occupy that room after you, remember we have to sleep in there and it is impossible to get rid of the smell ! :(

[Randyk47]

Then I'd suggest cruise lines designate specific cabins as smoking or non-smoking. That said I was speaking to our vacation and what we expect or want but do understand your concerns. If this is the trend for cruise ships then so be it, we'll simply pick a different vacation mode. I'm not picking on non-smokers and insisting I have my way, simply want to be able to smoke in my own room.

[GAV BOY]

Then I'd suggest cruise lines designate specific cabins as smoking or non-smoking. That said I was speaking to our vacation and what we expect or want but do understand your concerns. If this is the trend for cruise ships then so be it, we'll simply pick a different vacation mode. I'm not picking on non-smokers and insisting I have my way, simply want to be able to smoke in my own room.

But are Hotels, etc, not also moving the same way ?

[zacca]

A few years ago we took a couple of cruises on the Carnival Paradise which was at that time the only completely non smoking ship. Even the crew were not allowed to smoke. Crew and Passengers were not even allowed to have any smoking materials on them when they embarked the ship. If you did you were denied sailing!Sadly they moved the ship to the West Coast for shorter itineraries and it lost its status. It was wonderful to only breathe fresh sea air. On the Millennium, South America, everyone seemed to be smoking wherever they wanted to, it was a nightmare, you had to keep moving all day to find somewhere smoke free to sit, none of the crew did anything about it even though it was brought to their attention. So we are delighted with the new policies on Azamara!

[Randyk47]

Gav Boy - Some chains, like Marriott, are moving that way and we make our choices accordingly.

[KenC]

This is the beginning of a move that will one day spread to all other cruise lines. The banning of smoking in enclosed spaces is spreading across Europe after starting out in the US and Canada. It is only a matter of time before cruiseships fall into line with the rest of society and severely restrict something that is increasingly accepted as a danger to non smokers' as well as smokers' health as well as anti social.

Carnival attempted and failed to run a no smoking ship a few years ago but one Carnival ship following the same itinerary year in year out is hardly an inducement for even the most ardent non smokers!! When the time is right I suspect all lines will get together and make a joint decision - this will prevent a scenario where a line unilaterally restricting smoking won't suffer a smokers' backlash nor a non participating line attract a disproportionate number of smokers................watch this space.

I am so much more likely to book Azamara now than before. Thank you Celebrity. I do sympathise with smokers (I used to smoke) - it's a hard addiction to beat but so worth it - but the writing is on the wall.

[GAV BOY]

Gav Boy - Some chains, like Marriott, are moving that way and we make our choices accordingly.

Sadly for you though i believe one day soon all Ships and Hotels etc , will be non-smoking !

England has a ban due July 1st, then the whole of the UK will have it in enclosed public places.

[Susan-M]

Gav Boy - Some chains, like Marriott, are moving that way and we make our choices accordingly.

Yes, and Westin as well. The trend to provide smoke-free vacation environments is growing :) http://hotels.about.com/od/uniqueandunusualhotels/a/hotelsbansmoke.htm

[Susan-M]

I am so much more likely to book Azamara now than before. Thank you Celebrity.

I agree - and sent my thanks to them via their email address on their website.

[Randyk47]

No denying that there is a trend. OK. Whatever. Right now we're booked into a resort to replace the Quest cruise....and we carefully questioned them about their smoking policy....for next year. Will they someday change? Guess that's a possibility, though this particular resort has designated rooms, but we'll be just fine for the time being. ;)

[soonerman]

I checked all the posts on this thread before asking this question, just to make sure it wasn't already addressed -- and did not find it.

Will these ships choose to remove cigarettes from the onboard shops in an effort to limit the chances of the newly announced policies from being violated?? A number of Theme Parks banned gum sales many years ago to assist in keeping that litter problem at a minimum. Yes, you can still bring gum in, as will someone be able to take cigarettes onboard. . . but was curious to know what will be done regarding a big 'money maker' in the onboard shops. Any thoughts??

A good point and which the cruise line should adopt. Our [US] government should stop subsidizing tobacco farmers also, imo.

[RuthlessBoss]

I find it difficult for it to be said the Millenium had smoking everywhere! NO ship has this!! Did they smoke in the dining room, buffet, theatre to mention a few areas? Sorry, don't believe it!! In case you non smokers want to hear this--ALL HOTELS IN DISNEY WENT NON SMOKING INSIDE< BALCONIES AND OUTSIDE AREAS!!! Will that bother me? No. I have other options.

[rswallis]

It's kind of funny, so I'll mention it--almost every Celebrity cruise I have been on, the officers smoke like chimneys. On Century last year, for example, on a bridge tour, there were ashtrays and packs of cigarettes everywhere. And the officers in the lounges smoked up a storm in the evenings. I bet smoking won't be effected in crew areas for some time to come no matter what happens in our areas.

[Blondie007]

Celebrity told me today a decision is yet to be made on the smoking policies on Quest. Now looking at the itineraries, Journey is covering the shorter cruises in Bermda, but Quest is doing the Europe and Asian cruises. Now smoking policies in the west is one thing..Europe and Asia.. could be difficult to fill their ships in those destinations. I wonder if they are considering that into the equation.. will we see a different policy on Quest?
A smoking ban on land is one thing.. one can always go outdoors, and in countries in Europe such as France and Spain the impact was minimal as their climate allows for outdoor smoking whereas in countries such as scotland and ireland, disaster has struck with bars and clubs going totally out of business as the climate does not allow much for outdoor smoking. Now, to restrict smoking on cruise ships in Europe.. IMHO they are taking a HUGE risk. Europeans will not take lightly to the smoking restrictions...question is, will Azamara risk it?
We have had thousands of European visitors cancel trips to UK this last year due to the smoking ban. Its a huge risk to take.
Azamara need to make their mind up and clarify the position with Quest, is she or isnt she?

[gillianrose]

Celebrity told me today a decision is yet to be made on the smoking policies on Quest. Now looking at the itineraries, Journey is covering the shorter cruises in Bermda, but Quest is doing the Europe and Asian cruises. Now smoking policies in the west is one thing..Europe and Asia.. could be difficult to fill their ships in those destinations. I wonder if they are considering that into the equation.. will we see a different policy on Quest?

A smoking ban on land is one thing.. one can always go outdoors, and in countries in Europe such as France and Spain the impact was minimal as their climate allows for outdoor smoking whereas in countries such as scotland and ireland, disaster has struck with bars and clubs going totally out of business as the climate does not allow much for outdoor smoking. Now, to restrict smoking on cruise ships in Europe.. IMHO they are taking a HUGE risk. Europeans will not take lightly to the smoking restrictions...question is, will Azamara risk it?
We have had thousands of European visitors cancel trips to UK this last year due to the smoking ban. Its a huge risk to take.
Azamara need to make their mind up and clarify the position with Quest, is she or isnt she?

I was assured (a couple of days ago) that Journey and Quest are sister ships and BOTH would have the same restrictive smoking policies. I applaud that thinking, and would be extremely disappointed if Azamara wimps out and permits less restrictive smoking on the Quest just because of the extremely vehement and vocal MINORITY of whiny folks who want to smoke most anywhere they choose, regardless of the consequences to others (many current smokers are considerate and not whiny and are not throwing about FALSE statistics, such as those you have done, i.e. "Thousands of European visitors cancel trips to the UK", blah, blah, blah...)

I understand that you are personally frustrated at the change in policy, but consider how frustrating and physically damaging it has been for the vast majority of people who are in fact (in all countries of the world, to the best of my knowledge) NON-SMOKERS for all the years that we have had to tolerate (or not cruise) on ships polluted by cigarette and cigar smoke.

I have lived in Europe and I can vouch for the fact that the vast majority of Europeans—especially those who can afford to cruise frequently and would be drawn to boutique ships—are far MORE likely to book cruises with Azamara and Oceania BECAUSE of the restricted smoking policies.

Disaster has struck in the UK since the change? Hardly. SANITY has struck.

[mike35]

We're avid Oceania cruisers, and the "O" ships have become our first choice when it comes to planning a cruise. Oceania's 2007 itineraries are, for the most part, completely sold out, and their 2008 cruises are over 65% booked ALREADY! I think RCI's implementation of Azamara as a clone of Oceania is a brilliant strategic move on their part, based on the incredible popularity and load factor of Oceania's ships and itineraries. Now, if they can only match the awesome service that Oceania's staff provides, they too will enjoy comparable booking successes, including many smokers (like many of the smoker friends we've made on Oceania) who forgo their desire to smoke in their rooms/balconies in favor of sailing on on a uniquely wonderful cruise ship.

Mike

[cruising with marti]

I was assured (a couple of days ago) that Journey and Quest are sister ships and BOTH would have the same restrictive smoking policies. I applaud that thinking, and would be extremely disappointed if Azamara wimps out and permits less restrictive smoking on the Quest just because of the extremely vehement and vocal MINORITY of whiny folks who want to smoke most anywhere they choose, regardless of the consequences to others (many current smokers are considerate and not whiny and are not throwing about FALSE statistics, such as those you have done, i.e. "Thousands of European visitors cancel trips to the UK", blah, blah, blah...)

I understand that you are personally frustrated at the change in policy, but consider how frustrating and physically damaging it has been for the vast majority of people who are in fact (in all countries of the world, to the best of my knowledge) NON-SMOKERS for all the years that we have had to tolerate (or not cruise) on ships polluted by cigarette and cigar smoke.

I have lived in Europe and I can vouch for the fact that the vast majority of Europeans—especially those who can afford to cruise frequently and would be drawn to boutique ships—are far MORE likely to book cruises with Azamara and Oceania BECAUSE of the restricted smoking policies.

Disaster has struck in the UK since the change? Hardly. SANITY has struck.


" SANITY has struck" by who's definition???/

Phil

[KenC]

....... countries in Europe such as France and Spain the impact was minimal as their climate allows for outdoor smoking whereas in countries such as scotland and ireland, disaster has struck with bars and clubs going totally out of business as the climate does not allow much for outdoor smoking.......

This is just not true - after an initial slow down both countries are experiencing an upturn in business ;)

Scandinavia is also non smoking and they don't come much colder than that but business carries on.

[Mr. Tucker]

I have lived in Europe and I can vouch for the fact that the vast majority of Europeans—especially those who can afford to cruise frequently and would be drawn to boutique ships—are far MORE likely to book cruises with Azamara and Oceania BECAUSE of the restricted smoking policies.

I beg to differ. Smoking is Europe is far more prevalent than it is in the United States. European cigarettes also have a much stronger odour than ours.

Whatever happened to the discussion on whether Azamara provided sufficient notice to their customers on this policy. Most of this dialouge would have been avoided if they had simply announced their smoking policy at the same time they announced Journey was about to replace the outdated Zenith. Hard hard would that of been. Poor management decision in my opinion to let this gem of a policy drop at the last moment.

[Blondie007]

This is just not true - after an initial slow down both countries are experiencing an upturn in business ;)

Scandinavia is also non smoking and they don't come much colder than that but business carries on.


Seeing as I personally own two tourism related businesses in scotland, and am member of several licensing comittees..I can assure you my friend, what you are led to believe in England, before the government enforces the ban...well..you shall see...
Pick up a copy of Scotland Licensed Trade News... the evidence speaks for itself.
Scandanavia has a fantastic approach. In Sweden, they have air units which vacuum cigarettes and the smoke, no staff handle cigs, and outside the canopied table area which incidentally is still indoors... there is NO smoke. Many publicans in scotland lost a battle to install such equipement.
Anyway, not here for a debate, but as a voice of reasonable authority on this in scotland, speaking for scotland I can assure you...it has been an absolute disaster!
Quite honestly, after all of this, even if Quest turns out to be smoking, I dont think I want to be on her...being put off more and more by the minute.

[Homosassa]

Hmmm - no smoking in Scotland? Definitely must book a trip to Scotland.:D

[GAV BOY]

Hmmm - no smoking in Scotland? Definitely must book a trip to Scotland.:D

Also Wales and Ireland, and on July 1st also in England, Yipppe ! :D

[KAWS]

I am not saying X are wrong..I am however furious that this has not been made clear at the time of booking. We have a lot of plans now to change.. will see what TA says on Tuesday.

I have to say I totally agree with you on this one. I'm not a smoker and would welcome designated areas or even a total non-smoking atmosphere. However, they should have made that clear at the time of booking. Probably didn't because they didn't want to "tip" anyone off about upcoming changes, but I think if that's the case, the least they should do is offer to refund all deposits without any penalty for those people that did book before the smoking news became news.

Kim

[zacca]

I find it difficult for it to be said the Millenium had smoking everywhere! NO ship has this!! Did they smoke in the dining room, buffet, theatre to mention a few areas? Sorry, don't believe it!! In case you non smokers want to hear this--ALL HOTELS IN DISNEY WENT NON SMOKING INSIDE< BALCONIES AND OUTSIDE AREAS!!! Will that bother me? No. I have other options.

OK, fair point, should have clarified this. There was smoking everywhere in outside areas on both sides of the ship,also beside the pool, including cigars! In inside areas where it was permitted, these were areas where you had to pass through, it was like a fog. The smoking policy on board was not adhered to, I think it was because of the large amount of South American passengers on board that particular sailing.

[jetwet1]

You know, I wanted to try Ocieana but their smoking policy ruled them out, then I see Azamara with their R class ships going after the same market and I sat here thinking great..then this...oh well I can of course handle not smoking in a restaurant..but not in my room or on my balcony, sorry but my money will be spent on another line :(

[LHT28]

You know, I wanted to try Ocieana but their smoking policy ruled them out, then I see Azamara with their R class ships going after the same market and I sat here thinking great..then this..

Try Regent, they allow smoking

[KenC]

......
Pick up a copy of Scotland Licensed Trade News... the evidence speaks for itself......Anyway, not here for a debate, but as a voice of reasonable authority on this in scotland, speaking for scotland I can assure you...it has been an absolute disaster! .....

Well the SLTA would say that - they opposed the ban to begin with.

Below is the British Medical Association's view on the economic effects of a restriction on smoking.


" Behind the smokescreen: the myths and the facts

Economics
Myth: A ban on smoking in pubs would have the same impact as similar bans in Europe: thousands of jobs would be lost in the hospitality and brewery industries

Fact: A report from the Irish Central Statistics Office revealed that in November 2004 (seven months after the ban was introduced) bar sales were down just 2.8 per cent compared with the previous year. The decrease in the year before was 7.1 per cent. Scare stories about declining hospitality industry sales should be viewed in the context of the long term trend in Irish bar sales.

In Norway, the number of pubs, bars and restaurants that went bankrupt declined in the seven month period after the smoking ban was implemented in 2004. In 2003, 386 businesses in the sector went bankrupt and in 2004, this declined to 372, including the closure of 338 restaurants and 34 bars.

A report commissioned by the Chief Medical Officer in England revealed that concern about falling profits is unfounded. In other parts of the world where legislation to create smoke-free public places and workplaces has been introduced, profits in the hospitality and leisure industries have risen. Independent economic analyses carried out for the Irish Government and the Scottish Executive drew similar conclusions

Myth: The smoking ban in pubs will lead to a fall in cigarette sales and hospitality profits, both of which will cost the Government billions in lost tax revenue

Fact: Smoke-free laws do not have a negative impact on hospitality industry profits. As the World Bank has consistently shown, tobacco control policies do not affect Government revenues in the short or medium term. Legislation would lead to a decline in tobacco sales, but the decline would be gradual and could be offset by increases in the duty rate.

In the UK, tobacco consumption has declined sharply over the last three decades, but revenue from tobacco taxes has risen. This can be explained by the decline in tobacco consumption being matched with proportionately greater increases in tobacco duty. These increases in tobacco duty have a significant health benefit as high prices are an important factor in reducing tobacco consumption. The ultimate aim of tobacco control policies is to benefit human health, not Government finances. In the long term, the goal is for tobacco consumption to fall to such low levels that tobacco tax would begin to fall.

There is clear evidence that smoke-free public places lead to major benefits for the economy as a whole in terms of lives saved, productivity gains, reduced sickness absences, narrowing inequalities in health, savings on NHS treatment and reduced cleaning and decorating costs.

References
23. Retail sales index. Dublin, Central Statistics Office Ireland, 2004.
24. Retail sales index. Dublin, Central Statistics Office Ireland, 2003.
25. Fewer businesses bust after smoking ban. 2005. Accessed April 12, 2005.
26. On the state of the public health: Annual report of the Chief Medical Officer 2003. HMSO: London, UK Department of Health, 2004.
27. Durkan J, Macdowell M. Smoke-free Policies: Market Research and Literature Review on Economic Effects on the Hospitality Sector. Clane, Office of Tobacco Control, 2003.
28. Ludbrook A, Bird S, Van Teijlingen E. 2004. International Review of the Health and Economic Impact of the Regulation of Smoking in Public Places.. Accessed April, 2005.
29. Curbing the epidemic: governments and the economics of tobacco control: development in practice, Washington, The World Bank, 1999. "

[Blondie007]

Fee Fo Fi Fum..must be the words of an Englishman....

The result of the smoking ban was evident at the polls last week when Alex Salmond had the biggest breakthrough in Scottish history since William Wallace... THAT I have to say..makes the ban worthwhile!

We in Scotland, have for MANY years had more non smoking places than any other country in the UK. We are famed for keeping public bars and lounge drinking/dining areas seperate. We wanted to keep our public bars with the owner reserving the FREEDOM of choice, as to whether or not he felt it was applicable for HIS business to be smoking or non smoking.
Smoking in the workplace was a thing of the past long before the ban. Its the dictatorship we cant take.. and we all know where that is instigated from.
Thank you for reminding me why we choose to cruise with 99% Americans and have never cruised on British Cruiseships since our last big disaster on a P and O ship.

[timbo89]

I am not a smoker, but have been on several Oceania cruises, and took some time on each cruise to chat with the smokers in the designated smoking areas. Obviously, the policy sits well with non-smokers, but, being an inquisitive sort of person, I wanted to find out what the smokers felt.

The overwhelming consensus was that they enjoyed the fact that they could go to a place to smoke in complete freedom, knowing that they were in no way offending anyone.

Several were skeptical before they left on the cruise, but said they were fine with it once they got used to the routine.

Of course, I did meet with a few who did not like the freedom to be able to smoke in their own room. One couple said they would never sail on Oceania again because of the policy.

As for enforcement, I saw Oceania deporting some passengers who refused to comply with the smoking rules.

[GAV BOY]

Fee Fo Fi Fum..must be the words of an Englishman....

The result of the smoking ban was evident at the polls last week when Alex Salmond had the biggest breakthrough in Scottish history since William Wallace... THAT I have to say..makes the ban worthwhile!

We in Scotland, have for MANY years had more non smoking places than any other country in the UK. We are famed for keeping public bars and lounge drinking/dining areas seperate. We wanted to keep our public bars with the owner reserving the FREEDOM of choice, as to whether or not he felt it was applicable for HIS business to be smoking or non smoking.
Smoking in the workplace was a thing of the past long before the ban. Its the dictatorship we cant take.. and we all know where that is instigated from.
Thank you for reminding me why we choose to cruise with 99% Americans and have never cruised on British Cruiseships since our last big disaster on a P and O ship.

Peoples health is more important than owners freedom !

Well said Ken, excellent facts, who can argue with those ! ;)

[TWELVEOHONE]

Maybe some of you forgot or don't know but the fire on a Princess ship last year was determined to be caused by someone smoking on their BALCONY.

I know after that incident many of the cruise lines are considering no smoking in the cabins and balconies.

[Goofyisme]

Try Regent, they allow smoking

Or Silverseas both allow it and in the past Regent even had a small area in the dining room for an after dinner smoke. As a former smoker I know how much I used to enjoy those. I think there are plenty of options out there for smokers so this experiment really shouldn't effect them much except of course for those who got this info last minute. All of those should be allowed to cancel without penalty.

[InsureFun]

I may try this line, I am a HAL devotee but always wanted to try Celebrity but their ships were so big...till now. I am not concerned about the health implications of breathing second hand smoke but I hate the stink of it. Sure some use too much cologne or have body odor but that type of stench doesn't waft from their balcony to mine like smoke does. These are also exotic itineraries in eco sensitive areas and smokers are generally dirty people. Take for instance HALS aft cabins in her Vista class, people comstantly complain about cigarette butts being tossed on their balconies from above. Smokers toss their butts in the ocean...as well as on the street. Why should they advise people of smoking rules, it's not like they are non smoking people just have to get off heir "butts" and use the propers areas for their fix.

[jbsmith22]

Wierd. An entire smoking thread that is more pro-anti-smoking (hehehehe) than pro-smoking. And one where the smoking contigent hasn't decided to lob personal hand grenades or nobody has taken the bait. How un-Cruise Critic-like... :D

My $0.02 is that as someone being forced to cruise for familial reasons I WISH I had known about Azamara before I got railroaded into sailing on Royal Caribbean. The problem I see is the same as I had selling The "O" ships -- they're too small, too expensive, and don't go to "regular" cruising spots. AND THEY DON'T HAVE FAMILY PROGRAMS!?!?!?!? What's up with that? The biggest group of non-smoking cruisers is families with kids, but "O" is decidedly kid-unfriendly and Azamara doesn't seem much better. Ah, how I miss my friend the Paradise... :( .

[InsureFun]

Wierd. An entire smoking thread that is more pro-anti-smoking (hehehehe) than pro-smoking. And one where the smoking contigent hasn't decided to lob personal hand grenades or nobody has taken the bait. How un-Cruise Critic-like... :D

My $0.02 is that as someone being forced to cruise for familial reasons I WISH I had known about Azamara before I got railroaded into sailing on Royal Caribbean. The problem I see is the same as I had selling The "O" ships -- they're too small, too expensive, and don't go to "regular" cruising spots. AND THEY DON'T HAVE FAMILY PROGRAMS!?!?!?!? What's up with that? The biggest group of non-smoking cruisers is families with kids, but "O" is decidedly kid-unfriendly and Azamara doesn't seem much better. Ah, how I miss my friend the Paradise... :( .

Its main appeal is to empty nesters, the child free and well off retirees who have been to all the usual tourist places. The fact it isn't child friendly and is more expensive so it keeps those with rougher edges away is a tremendous plus.

[BrendaJ]

Being a non-smoker with an allergy to smoke, I'm very happy to be booked on the Quest and I look forward to a nearly smoke-free environment. However, I do have to wonder if the smoking policy extends to the staff and crew. I know that many of Celebrity's officers smoke, and I can only assume the many of the crew smoke as well. I wonder if they perhaps offered jobs on the Journey and Quest only to non-smokers?

Where I live in Canada, all bars, restaurants and workplaces are smoke-free. I know some hotel chains are going completely smoke-free, and I suspect that, before long, smoking in public will be banned altogether around here.

I do feel, however, that the smokers who previously booked the Quest or the Journey should have the option to cancel without penalty. Of course, that would probably leave the door open for anyone who wants to cancel for any reason to pipe up and say "I'm a smoker - I'm cancelling". I'm not sure how Celebrity will be able to handle it. I'm very curious how they informed the people boarding the Journey yesterday of the smoking policy. It was probably quite a shock to some of the passengers.

[rebeccalouise]

I think the reason that Celebrity switched labels is because their usual clientelle is not going to like Azamara.

I personally have sailed Oceania Regatta (sister to Journey). I had a great time. The smoking issue was not a problem for the smokers or the other passengers.

For people looking for interesting ports that big ships don't go to- Azamara is going to address these needs. It is geared to the seasoned traveler, who doesn't want bingo and isn't big on gambling. People that like to eat when they want and not have to pack a tux. It will be a reserved, itinerary driven experience. We had the best food we have ever had on Oceania and I am sure Journey will be excellent. There was a formal afternoon tea every day on Oceania. If there is one on Journey- go! We still rave about that. My family and I are now looking for afternoon tea here at home. We are addicted!

I have kids and love Celebrity- so not ready to jump ship. Plus the cost of Azamara is prohibitive for me. Dollar for dollar Celebrity is better in my view. I like a bigger ship. I don't want butler service and of course the kids program is fantastic on Celebrity. And for those who jump all over parents for taking their kids on cruises instead of leaving them at home- huh? Most people can only take two weeks off a year to travel. If I had more time and money I would do more kid free vacations but caring parents do want to spend time with their kids. The Fun Factory isn't a "daycare". The kids come and go as they please and they want to go- Celebrity makes it fun and as a consequence kids aren't monopolizing the pool and running through the halls- making their own "fun". The Fun Factory offers my son things that i don't have access to- arts and crafts are a big favorite. They do science projects, have disco parties (with the parents), scavenger hunts (with the parents). So its not like the kids are miserable! Quite the contrary.
When I did Oceania- I left my son at home because I didn't think there would be many kids on board for him to play with. There were three (all over 9 years old). So it was mostly adults and I am sure (other than the Bermuda cruises) Azamara is going to attract adults only.

[Mr. Tucker]

Interesting question. I know on Oceania you would frequently see the officers using the two smoking areas that were for the passengers. I don't know what the rest of the crew does but I would presume they are limited to an outdoor deck and perhaps a somewhat sealed indoor lounge. There are passenger cabins and crew cabins on deck three so I would doubt they are allowed to smoke anywhere there.

I know on one of our cruises some crew was caught smoking somewhere in a locked supply room on deck eight. To the best of my knowledge they were all fired and put off the ship at the next port. Pretty severe penalty but then Oceania has gotten very serious about the whole smoking issue.

On our first cruise with them in 2004 we openly smoked on our balcony using a coke can for an ashtray which was removed daily by our room steward. We understood that many others did the same thing. On our last cruise in March this year my wife didn't dare smoke on the balcony and religiously went to the smoking areas. We heard of two people being removed from the ship for smoking on their balcony. No warning was given. They were caught and off they went. I was un-effected by the tightened policy since I have been smoke free for almost two tough years now.

[Mr. Tucker]

I think the reason that Celebrity switched labels is because their usual clientelle is not going to like Azamara.

I think you hit the nail right on the head there. The typical Celebrity fan loves dressing up for dinner and likes the set schedule for dining. Any upscale experience will not put those restriction on you for a vacation.

[pittipatga]

Just got off the phone with Celebrity and have successfully cancelled our December 8, 2007 cruise on the Quest. They were no problems and they said they had cancelled many today for the same reasons. We have booked another cruise with almost the same itineary on the Summit. I was happy to be able to cancel without any penalty - that's the only reason I started this thread.:confused: I am the non-smoker in our group and hate to see other non-smokers be so unkind to other's in general. We are all human beings with different habits - smokers in general are not bad people - maybe they have just made some bad choices that they haven't been able to overcome yet. Please be kind to one another - Mother's Day is coming - remember what your Mom's all told you - if you can't say something nice, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.:)

[rebeccalouise]

I don't want to start a smoking debate but have noticed that the cruise lines in general have very limited smoking now. For example, RCL only allows smoking on one side of the pool deck and in the casino. They don't hand out ashtrays either. You have to sit by the sturdy large free standing ash trays. I only noticed a handful of smokers and RCL is doing a gangbuster business.
Oceania is selling out and I am sure that is why Celebrity gobbled up two of the former Renaissance ships and is using the same format.
In Maryland where I live- there will be no smoking in any bar or restaurant as of January 1, 2008. So things are moving in the non-smoking direction. This is just an observation. I am a closet smoker (not in front of my kids or parents!) so I understand the desire but frankly, it is good for everyone to quit.

[joeinsb]

I am joeinsb's wife, and I rarely post on this board, leaving that pleasure to him, but I just have to comment on the Journey smoking issue. I certainly hope Azamara sticks with its no-smoking-on-verandas policy because as we found on our wonderful voyage with Oceania last year, the smokers tend to stay away from those cruises, which makes the rest of us very happy. As a former smoker, I fully understand the cravings that addicted people feel, but let's face it, we all know that smoking is bad for the smoker and anyone else who is subjected to the second-hand smoke. It's terrbile to walk out onto your balcony in the morning for a breath of fresh ocean air and have to choke on the cigarette smoke wafting over from your fellow passenger's veranda.

I hope, Pittipatga, for your husband's sake and yours that you won't have to cancel your December cruise because your husband has given you and himself an early Christmas present by quitting smoking. It can be done, and if you do it, you will never regret it. I watched my father lose much of his face to oral cancer and his life later to lung cancer, all due to a lifetime of Lucky Strikes. Even when he was in a coma just before his death, he kept moving his hand to his mouth as if he were smoking phantom cigarettes. It was not a pretty sight.

[JkyLovesRuss]

I am joeinsb's wife,

I hope, Pittipatga, for your husband's sake and yours that you won't have to cancel your December cruise because your husband has given you and himself an early Christmas present by quitting smoking. It can be done, and if you do it, you will never regret it. I watched my father lose much of his face to oral cancer and his life later to lung cancer, all due to a lifetime of Lucky Strikes. Even when he was in a coma just before his death, he kept moving his hand to his mouth as if he were smoking phantom cigarettes. It was not a pretty sight.

Oh wow, so sorry about your dad. How sad... I bet you are happy you quit. 13 years smoke free here. :)

They should keep designated smoking areas on cruise ships for those who indulge...

[pattycakes]

I never smoke in my cabin so this policy with regards to that wouldn't affect me (and I don't spend a whole lot of time in the casino); however, not being able to smoke with my cappacino or pre-dinner or after-dinner drink without having to travel to a different location does put me off. Are these 2 areas accessible 24/7?

It definitely puts a damper on it -- most people i meet on the bermuda run are repeaters - there really is no other run comparable to it (and, no, I dont want megaship, the Wharf or NCL).

:big sigh:

[cruisingonthecompanydime]

We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic? :D

Phil

Perhaps not, but they have made unscheduled stops to put people off for other reasons, so....

[cruisingonthecompanydime]

Interesting question. I know on Oceania you would frequently see the officers using the two smoking areas that were for the passengers. I don't know what the rest of the crew does but I would presume they are limited to an outdoor deck and perhaps a somewhat sealed indoor lounge.

Officers on Journey are not permitted to smoke in guest areas, period. This is a terminable offense and has already been enforced once.

[Hondu]

I don't think this is a big conspiracy by the cruise line. We booked our Disney vacation and paid in full months ago. Just found out last week all Disney resorts are now non-smoking except in designated areas outside., effective June 1. We check in June 2. Noone offered me a refund or compensation. Don't think the kids will be too happy if we cancel now b/c someone can't smoke in the room.

Stuff happens. You make the best of it. Especially with smoking...this seems to be the way most places are headed. It's really not a big surprise.

The ship's not that big anyway, so how far could the walk be to the "designated" area??

And just think, that extra walk may help clean out their lungs. The most important thing is safety at sea and with people walking around and sitting in cabins with a torch between their lips is a nightmare in the works with no land in site.

[JCDeck]

On a TA cruise on the millenium in 2005, my husband and I were having a drink before dinner on our balcony on a formal night. The wind blew a lit cigarette that someone had carelessly discarded, flying onto our balcony and onto my evening dress, very delicate material, burned a hole the size of a quarter right in the middle of the dress. The dress sold for over $700.00. needless to say I was very sad.

I just booked the Antartic Cruise/Journey for Feb. 08.Sky suite. Hopefully I can help to offset some of those cancellations. I told the booking agent at Celebrity that I was booking because of their new restricted smoking policy on this ship.

Smoking affects nonsmokers and smokers in many ways (none of them good in my opinion). I think the time is very ripe for this and it's unfortunate that the timing of the policy being made public was not better but it will all work out.

I just stayed at a hotel in Amsterdam on a non-smoking floor, if you smoked in the room a 400 EU fine went directly on the credit card you used to book the room and you signed a paper agreeing to that when you checked in.
Eurpoe is becoming much less tolorant of smoking than they used to be.
Hope the restrictive smoking policies spread like wild fire (Pun intended)

Yeah Azamara!!!

[greeneg]

Ah, the brig or a inside cabin , that will work, as long as they don't confinscate my beloved Camels:D

By the way, I love the words " violate thier policy" and what kind of person would turn me in?

Phil

Phil, the truth is that if your smoke violates my space I would turn you in in a heartbeat with no regrets. Sorry, but that's the way that it is.

[corona5657]

we booked our cruise in aug of 2006 on zenith. found out too late about the smoking policy. doesnt bother me to go to a designated area, bothers me they waited so long to let people know. i go for hours w/o cigs, as i work in a school. i am going on vacation, so i am not going to let this policy bother me. what is worrying me more is what i am reading concerning the shape the ship is in. i am more concerned with the pool area than the smoking areas.:)

[riteonglor]

I hope Azamara sticks to their policy regarding smoking. There are smoking areas on the ship. If a smoker isn't happy with that, then they can cancel their cruise. If they are in the penalty phase then i guess they have no choice but to be an adult and smoke only where allowed or forfeit their deposit. How can we get our children to respect rules if we as adults are going to ignore them whenever we don't like them? Happy Sailing!

I like this, "if a smoker isnt happy with that, then they can cancel their cruise." So smug and self righteous. Easy to be that way when its something you want. Lets see what happens when they take something away you enjoy. Who needs to be with someone with an attitude like that.
At least the smoker's I know have some class even if they do have a vise.

[greeneg]

Personally, if someone takes away something that I enjoy then I buy another persons product. I strongly support the increased restrictions on smoking; I see no reason for me to be exposed to increased risks because of someone else's decisions.

I would also like to see increased penalties for drunk driving, better control of guns and ammunition, that sort of thing.

By the way, it's spelled "vice".

[Hondu]

Yes, and Westin as well. The trend to provide smoke-free vacation environments is growing :) http://hotels.about.com/od/uniqueandunusualhotels/a/hotelsbansmoke.htm

And Disney World, Orlando, the ultimate vacation spot.

[nlvc12]

[QUOTE We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic?

Phil....[/QUOTE]

You are the sort of person I was expecting to find, actually planning on violating the policy. Aren't you so proud of yourself? You must make your kids proud too. (If they can smile during their asthma attacks).

Anyhow, please at least dispose of your death-weeds safely...Please note the experience noted elsewhere on this thread "On a TA cruise on the millenium in 2005, my husband and I were having a drink before dinner on our balcony on a formal night. The wind blew a lit cigarette that someone had carelessly discarded, flying onto our balcony and onto my evening dress, very delicate material, burned a hole the size of a quarter right in the middle of the dress. The dress sold for over $700.00. needless to say I was very sad." If I could figure out it was you, I'd sue your sorry a*s!

I don't have a balcony, so I won't have to tolerate fools like you.

[Mr. Tucker]

You are the sort of person I was expecting to find, actually planning on violating the policy. Aren't you so proud of yourself? You must make your kids proud too. (If they can smile during their asthma attacks).
I don't have a balcony, so I won't have to tolerate fools like you.

You really should have read more of what this person had to say before attacking as you did.

He was kidding and since then has repeatedly made reference to the fact that he would go to the assigned smoking area and he hoped no one would mind if he was wearing his robe in the morning.

[JCDeck]

You really should have read more of what this person had to say before attacking as you did.

He was kidding and since then has repeatedly made reference to the fact that he would go to the assigned smoking area and he hoped no one would mind if he was wearing his robe in the morning.

99% truth is spoken as jest......as the old saying goes.

[GAV BOY]

:eek: I like this, "if a smoker isnt happy with that, then they can cancel their cruise." So smug and self righteous. Easy to be that way when its something you want. Lets see what happens when they take something away you enjoy. Who needs to be with someone with an attitude like that.
At least the smoker's I know have some class even if they do have a vise.

Yes if you smoke you realy have class ! (none) :eek:

[corona5657]

i am a smoker and i will be on the journey on 6/23. i dont stick my smoke in peoples faces. i will gladly go to the "designated areas" to do my "dirty habit". so what if i can't smoke in my cabin, i am never there anyways. my point is i think they could have given us more notice. i wouldnt have canceled, but i am sure some people would have. we found out just a little while ago. i say make the best out of the situation. better to be in bermuda, than sitting on my deck. just wish some of the comments from the non-smokers werent so nasty. we are not second class citizens. we are adults and therefore make our own decisions. i would rather be around a smoker than an obnoxious drunk any day. but i understand non-smokers views. with that said, i am eagerly awaiting my cruise and my new smoking friends i will make in the designated areas. happy sailing everyone!! and by the way, i do have class.

[lisiamc]

I think you hit the nail right on the head there. The typical Celebrity fan loves dressing up for dinner and likes the set schedule for dining. Any upscale experience will not put those restriction on you for a vacation.

I think your bias might be showing a bit! Are you saying that a line like Silver Seas isn't upscale? They offer formal nights.

Lisa

[garykool81]

I think you hit the nail right on the head there. The typical Celebrity fan loves dressing up for dinner and likes the set schedule for dining. Any upscale experience will not put those restriction on you for a vacation.


::shrugs:: I love both Celebrity and Oceania cruises for different reasons. I enjoy BOTH casual, upscale vacations *and* more formal ones. Simply depends what I am in the mood for when I travel.

I think an individual's tastes and desires change every day. IE -- I've been on everything from Windjammer's *ultra-casual* ships to Celebrity's *ultra-formal* ones, and I enjoyed every minute on all of them. :-)

[Mr. Tucker]

I think your bias might be showing a bit! Are you saying that a line like Silver Seas isn't upscale? They offer formal nights.

Lisa

Its sort of funny as I absolutely do not remember writing that little gem. Obviously I did!!!

Yes I do like Oceania and no I do not enjoy dressing up on a cruise. I would like Azamara to ultimately end up matching Oceania in service and ambience as that would give me another alternate for cruising.

As far as upscale cruises and dressing up - I stand corrected. People should research their cruise and if it involves dressing up and they don't want to then another cruise should be selected. For me country club casual is the perfect dress code.

[Host Sheila]

Corona,
I have tried hard not to post on this thread, but feel that I must object to the snarly comments directed towards both smokers and non-smokers by the 'other side'. Come on folks, adults don't call each other names or generalize about total groups based on differences of opinion. Clearly, some smoke, some abhor smoking and, those of us who used to be smokers vacillate between the opinions of both groups. The rules for Azamara are clear (whether you agree or not) so let sleeping dogs lie, make your decision to sail or not sail based on your own needs and desires and stop throwing darts. Thanks for listening to my plea.

[lisiamc]

I would like Azamara to ultimately end up matching Oceania in service and ambience as that would give me another alternate for cruising.

We can definitely agree on that.:) I have high hopes for Azamara as well.

Lisa

[Mr. Tucker]

Corona,
I have tried hard not to post on this thread, but feel that I must object to the snarly comments directed towards both smokers and non-smokers by the 'other side'. Come on folks, adults don't call each other names or generalize about total groups based on differences of opinion. Clearly, some smoke, some abhor smoking and, those of us who used to be smokers vacillate between the opinions of both groups. The rules for Azamara are clear (whether you agree or not) so let sleeping dogs lie, make your decision to sail or not sail based on your own needs and desires and stop throwing darts. Thanks for listening to my plea.

I wholeheartedly embrace this statement.

I am a former smoker and never, as a smoker or now as a non-smoker, would ever categorize people in the manner that I have read on this thread. Some remarks are downright childish.

[ejbmorr]

Quote 1: I am a former smoker and never, as a smoker or now as a non- smoker, would ever categorize people in the manner that I have read on this thread. Some remarks are downright childish.

Quote 2: I have tried hard not to post on this thread, but feel that I must object to the snarly comments directed towards both smokers and non-smokers by the 'other side'. Come on folks, adults don't call each other names or generalize about total groups based on differences of opinion.

My feelings exactly. Thanks ..... EM

[Dolphins]

The liquor analogy was only meant to give drinkers of liquor "food for thought", what if your passtime or casual use of it was denied at the last minute? No comments about "How will your drink affect me?" As for the fire on that ship, it was found the ship had flammable materials in use. Without that, how else could the fire start? Would it start on metal while the ship was in motion?

The ignition source of the Princess balcony fire was a carelessly discarded cigarette, without which the fire would not have occurred. You cannot remove all the flammable material which is everywhere but you can try to eliminate the sources of ignition. Far and away, the leading cause of fires is "Smoking Materials." As if this wasn't enough of a problem, smoking is also the leading cause of preventable death and litter. But don't let that keep you from defending the indefensible.

[cruising with marti]

[QUOTE We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic?

Phil....

You are the sort of person I was expecting to find, actually planning on violating the policy. Aren't you so proud of yourself? You must make your kids proud too. (If they can smile during their asthma attacks).

Anyhow, please at least dispose of your death-weeds safely...Please note the experience noted elsewhere on this thread "On a TA cruise on the millenium in 2005, my husband and I were having a drink before dinner on our balcony on a formal night. The wind blew a lit cigarette that someone had carelessly discarded, flying onto our balcony and onto my evening dress, very delicate material, burned a hole the size of a quarter right in the middle of the dress. The dress sold for over $700.00. needless to say I was very sad." If I could figure out it was you, I'd sue your sorry a*s!

I don't have a balcony, so I won't have to tolerate fools like you.[/quote]

LOL, some of you folks seem to have very little sense of humor, you can't even figure out when your chains are being pulled.

I never smoke in non smoking areas or for that matter in my own home or in my cabvin on a cruise, only on my balcony or in the smoking areas.

if the non smoking applies for the balconies on the Quest, then I will just trot on up the designated area. So i say again to you clean cut non smokers , lighten up a little:)

Phil

[excitedofharpenden]

Phil, a fool and no class? They don't know you very well, do they?:rolleyes: Aren't smoking threads the best?

Phil

[Cruiser Susie]

LOL, some of you folks seem to have very little sense of humor, you can't even figure out when your chains are being pulled.

I never smoke in non smoking areas or for that matter in my own home or in my cabvin on a cruise, only on my balcony or in the smoking areas.

if the non smoking applies for the balconies on the Quest, then I will just trot on up the designated area. So i say again to you clean cut non smokers , lighten up a little:)

Phil[/quote]

Hooray for you, Phil... a wonderful sense of humor and a gentleman to boot!

As a person who has never smoked, I dislike the practice completely. However, some people need to grow up and rethink their posts for absolute unbelievable rudeness and intolerable comments. You can make your point without attacking, nlvc12. I cannot believe the venom in your post.

I think the smoking policy is a good one; it appears that Celebrity is alliowing people who do smoke and booked without knowing about this policy to cancel without penalty, which is the right thing to do.

So the policy is now public, smokers will adhere to the policy, I am sure, and that should be the end of that!! The vitriol should come to an end and we can all look forward to our cruises on the Journey or the Quest.

[/quote]-Corona,
I have tried hard not to post on this thread, but feel that I must object to the snarly comments directed towards both smokers and non-smokers by the 'other side'. Come on folks, adults don't call each other names or generalize about total groups based on differences of opinion. Clearly, some smoke, some abhor smoking and, those of us who used to be smokers vacillate between the opinions of both groups. The rules for Azamara are clear (whether you agree or not) so let sleeping dogs lie, make your decision to sail or not sail based on your own needs and desires and stop throwing darts. Thanks for listening to my plea. [/ quote]

Spengle, I think you said it the best!

[cruising with marti]

thank you sue and phil for the compliments, I was dreading the thought of telling my beutiful wife, 6 children, 13 grandchildren and 2 great , what a classless fool I am:D


phil

[dtiger]

This post has been informative. I was planning on booking a Bermuda cruise on this line but since you can't smoke in the privacy of your stateroom I'll go elsewhere.

[nlvc12]

You really should have read more of what this person had to say before attacking as you did.

He was kidding and since then has repeatedly made reference to the fact that he would go to the assigned smoking area and he hoped no one would mind if he was wearing his robe in the morning.

I'm sorry...I didn't pick up on the joke.

I apologize. Obviously I have a (physical) problem when it comes to smoke...

Sorry for getting nasty. It was the middle of the night, couldn't sleep because of pain, and just snapped when I saw the posting. I really am generally a nice person.

I agree with the subsequent posters. I'm going to stop reading these Smoking threads.

Sorry, again....nlvc12

[beachchick]

Corona,
I have tried hard not to post on this thread, but feel that I must object to the snarly comments directed towards both smokers and non-smokers by the 'other side'. Come on folks, adults don't call each other names or generalize about total groups based on differences of opinion. Clearly, some smoke, some abhor smoking and, those of us who used to be smokers vacillate between the opinions of both groups. The rules for Azamara are clear (whether you agree or not) so let sleeping dogs lie, make your decision to sail or not sail based on your own needs and desires and stop throwing darts. Thanks for listening to my plea.

Cheering and applause! Nicely worded and polite to both sides.

beachchick

[fizzy]

could someone please tell me ,definitively, what the smoking rules are on the Journey? Is there an official company site where the information is in print? Could my TA get that info in writing somewhere? Thank you.

[ecslady]

The official policy is under the FAQ section on the website www.azamaracruises.com

[nlvc12]

could someone please tell me ,definitively, what the smoking rules are on the Journey? Is there an official company site where the information is in print? Could my TA get that info in writing somewhere? Thank you.

Q.Will smoking be allowed on these ships?A.Azamara Journey has two designated smoking areas. These areas are located in the aft section of the Looking Glass Lounge on the port side, and on the starboard forward section of the Pool Deck. Smoking areas have signs indicating that smoking is permitted there. All other areas of the ship are non-smoking. This includes Public Rooms, Restaurants, Pool Deck, Staterooms and Suites, Verandas and Halls. For the comfort of all of our guests, we request strict adherence to this policy, and thank all of our guests for their cooperation.


nlvc12

p.s. I know I said I wouldn't be looking here anymore, but was hoping Phil would accept my apology.

[Host Andy]

p.s. I know I said I wouldn't be looking here anymore, but was hoping Phil would accept my apology.

Hi Nlvc12 !

I just wanted to say, that it was nice of you to apologize. I completely understand this is a very HOT topic, and I cringe every time someone starts a new thread, or puts up a new post about smoking, as I know I will have to check it at least 200 times a day :). I know I can always get rid of the thread at the first sign of trouble, and end a ton of aggravation for myself. However, I made a promise to make this one of the very best forums at Cruise Critic, and I will try my very best not to let everyone down.

Soooo.... that means the thread will stay open for now, but I urge everyone to think about what they are saying before they post, and please be reasonable, and considerate to our other Cruise Critic friends before hitting that send button. Thank you !

[Mr. Tucker]

Soooo.... that means the thread will stay open for now, but I urge everyone to think about what they are saying before they post, and please be reasonable, and considerate to our other Cruise Critic friends before hitting that send button. Thank you !

Two thumbs up!!!!!!!!!!!

[cruising with marti]

Q.Will smoking be allowed on these ships?A.Azamara Journey has two designated smoking areas. These areas are located in the aft section of the Looking Glass Lounge on the port side, and on the starboard forward section of the Pool Deck. Smoking areas have signs indicating that smoking is permitted there. All other areas of the ship are non-smoking. This includes Public Rooms, Restaurants, Pool Deck, Staterooms and Suites, Verandas and Halls. For the comfort of all of our guests, we request strict adherence to this policy, and thank all of our guests for their cooperation.


nlvc12

p.s. I know I said I wouldn't be looking here anymore, but was hoping Phil would accept my apology.

apology accepted, and once again, I will be smoking in the designated areas only or maybe i will just quit:)

Phil

[JCDeck]

apology accepted, and once again, I will be smoking in the designated areas only or maybe i will just quit:)

Phil

Phil, if you quit...you'll be around longer to keep cruising. Then you can say things like, "My, My how times have changed I remember years ago when they used to smoke on cruise ships" LOL.

[cruising with marti]

Phil, if you quit...you'll be around longer to keep cruising. Then you can say things like, "My, My how times have changed I remember years ago when they used to smoke on cruise ships" LOL.


I don't know about that, I am 96, how much longer do I want to be

around? :D


PHIL

[JCDeck]

Phil, as long as you're happy. I personally plan on being a new widow at 102.

[cruising with marti]

Phil, as long as you're happy. I personally plan on being a new widow at 102.


does that mean that you are now an old widow? :rolleyes:


Phil

[greeneg]

You know, Phil, if you were to quit, not only would you be healthier, but you would also be about $1500.00 a year richer. That's a cruise every other year that you are setting fire to.......you've got to admit that that's at least food for thought.....

[excitedofharpenden]

but you would also be about $1500.00 a year richer. That's a cruise every other year that you are setting fire to.......you've got to admit that that's at least food for thought.....
Ed, that's a moot point for Phil. You see, he is really an eccentric billionnaire. Aint that right Phil?:D He's also one of the most considerate smokers I've met.

nlvc12, good on you for coming back so humbly.

Phil

[TPKeller]

You know, Phil, if you were to quit, not only would you be healthier, but you would also be about $1500.00 a year richer. That's a cruise every other year that you are setting fire to.......you've got to admit that that's at least food for thought.....
Yes, yes! See my thread here:

Stop Smoking = free cruises for life! Really! This is NOT SPAM!! (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=550713)

:)

Theron

[Cruiser Susie]

Q.
nlvc12
p.s. I know I said I wouldn't be looking here anymore, but was hoping Phil would accept my apology.
That is good of you to post. Not all people would do so, and I think that is a difficult thing to do. I was glad to see your comment.

[RitaMaid]

Is there a casino on this ship?

[TandCrumpets]

Just to get back to the grumbling - in a sort of civilized fashion - it would be great if Azamara focused on cultivating a smoke free crew first. I cringe at the mere thought of the massage I got on Radisson 7 Seas a few months ago at the hands of a heavy smoking masseuse at the spa... I politely suffered through what I had thought was going to be a big treat.:(

Maybe if Azamara started with the crew first it would have allowed the smokers some time to read the writing on the wall before they had committed their vacation $

The safety arguments, while all very noble, don't make much sense if the crew are still smoking...

I myself am a non-smoker, but just TRY to take away my glass of wine! ;)

[LHT28]

Is there a casino on this ship?
Yes there is
There were some photos posted on the home page of CC

[cruising with marti]

Ed, that's a moot point for Phil. You see, he is really an eccentric billionnaire. Aint that right Phil?:D He's also one of the most considerate smokers I've met.

nlvc12, good on you for coming back so humbly.

Phil

Is eccentric the same thing as neurotic or psychotic ? :)

Phil

[coy860]

Has anyone had any problems regarding the no smoking policy on board?

I agree, smoking on balconies is too dangerous, but balcony staterooms can be aired out.

I would think no smoking in a stateroom could lead to some unhappy passengers who weren't told ahead of booking and boarding.

[corona5657]

We didn't find out until about 1 month before we cruised about the no smoking policy. We left on the 6/23 sailing. We didn't have a problem with it and it seemed to me everyone was going to the designated areas. Although, I did smell smoke on my floor. They only give you 2 tiny areas to smoke in and still people complained about the smoke. We just went to those areas and smoked. Actually met a lot of nice people in the "bad" area.:D

[P&M Cruisers]

What deck were you on, if I might ask, and in which area of the ship?

[Tess99]

I don't think it matters what deck anyone was on. As a former smoker (quit in 2000) and just back from the 6/30 Journey cruise, I too smelled smokers in different areas, but not necessarily the smoke. Sometimes you'd get into an elevator and would smell it. I think it's just the lingering smell that comes along with the smoker. When you smoke, you don't smell it. However, I find the lingering smell of someone else's perfume to be just as annoying. It's not something that can be regulated.

There were not many smokers on the 6/30 voyage and I didn't find it a problem at all. Each time you passed the pool area where smoking was permitted, you'd notice that it was the same few people sitting there. If you were REALLY bothered by it, you could use the other door and cross over the area on the non-smoking side. The present policy seems to work well for everyone.
Would you really want to tell one of your friends or relatives that they weren't welcome on a group cruise because they smoke?

[greeneg]

Phil. eccentric= "1. deviating from a usual or accepted pattern. 2. deviating from a circular path. 3. set with axis or support off center. also being off center. Synonyms: erratic, queer, singular, curious, odd. "

-Mirriam-Webster Dictionary, 2004 Edition.


Ed

[cruisePRN]

SueClark, MrTucker, Lula, Blondie 007, and others - it would be interesting to know how many do cancel with X because of their failure to inform customers of their plans to change the rules until after we have purchased staterooms. I guess you have to check frequently to see what changes they are making. I hate it for those who are sailing now and won't know about the changes until they are "thrown off the boat" as some have suggested. Next you will not be able to drink on your balcony because there may be a recovering alcoholic next to you who you are threatening, or you will need to whisper because what you are saying may bother someone, or the worst - all that horrible perfume/aftershave that smells up everything and may make others sick. Need to take all of that out of the giftshops and don't allow passengers to wear anything that smells. Quit stinking alcohol in everyone's face and having people walk around with it in their hand, and sitting next to you at dinner. This could really get of hand - sure is hard to just go on vacation.:(
I never have a problem with rules, but make them before the games starts.:)

Spoken like a smoker. The other issues you complain about don't endanger my health and send me gagging for air or my asthma inhaler.

[cruisePRN]

We are booked on the Quest Trans Atlantic on April 12th. This booking was made over a month ago, long before the restricted smoking policy was made public (yesterday)

So once we leave port I will be smoking on my suite balcony. what are they going to do, throw me off in the middle of the Atlantic? :D

Phil
If I were in the cabin next to you and smelled your smoke wafting over the balcony i would throw you overboard:D

[corona5657]

I was on deck 7. middle of the ship. I am a smoker, and I can tell when someone is smoking, not just from the smell of their clothes, I can tell when smoking is going on. I actually had someone tell me they called down for an ashtray. By the way I know for a fact people were smoking on their balconies. I didn't do it anywhere but in the designated areas. I wasn't there to be a police officer and watch others and I figured if they called and asked for an ashtray and were told one was coming who am I to say anything.

[corona5657]

I don't think it matters what deck anyone was on. As a former smoker (quit in 2000) and just back from the 6/30 Journey cruise, I too smelled smokers in different areas, but not necessarily the smoke. Sometimes you'd get into an elevator and would smell it. I think it's just the lingering smell that comes along with the smoker. When you smoke, you don't smell it. However, I find the lingering smell of someone else's perfume to be just as annoying. It's not something that can be regulated.

There were not many smokers on the 6/30 voyage and I didn't find it a problem at all. Each time you passed the pool area where smoking was permitted, you'd notice that it was the same few people sitting there. If you were REALLY bothered by it, you could use the other door and cross over the area on the non-smoking side. The present policy seems to work well for everyone.
Would you really want to tell one of your friends or relatives that they weren't welcome on a group cruise because they smoke?

Tess you are right. It wasn't a problem for us either. We got up went to the designated area, had our "fix" and off we went. Between 2 of us we didnt smoke very much at all. And that was for 7 days. So maybe it was a good thing. And again there is the other side where there is a door so you don't even have to pass by the smokers. It really wasn't a problem at all. And no it wouldn't be very nice to tell someone they weren't welcome because they smoke. At the end of the day, I guess you can't make everyone happy, but I think it worked out fine.:D

[pittipatga]

CruisinPRN - surprise - I'm not a smoker - but - am an observer - and was not "complaining" - but making observations. Careful.:)

[greeneg]

And no it wouldn't be very nice to tell someone they weren't welcome because they smoke.

Au Contraire, I have no problem telling someone who smokes that they are not welcome to do so, just as I will have no hesitation in reporting a violation if it intrudes into my space. It is neither hard nor rude, in fact, it is necessary, particularly in circumstances where the regulations are as clearly stated as is the case on Azamara.

It is no one's priveledge to excempt themselves from the rules, no matter what sort of precedent is set in Washington.........
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[JCDeck]

And no it wouldn't be very nice to tell someone they weren't welcome because they smoke.

Au Contraire, I have no problem telling someone who smokes that they are not welcome to do so, just as I will have no hesitation in reporting a violation if it intrudes into my space. It is neither hard nor rude, in fact, it is necessary, particularly in circumstances where the regulations are as clearly stated as is the case on Azamara.

It is no one's priveledge to excempt themselves from the rules, no matter what sort of precedent is set in Washington.........
__________________

I'm with you.

[JCDeck]

I don't think there can be anyone sailing now that is unaware of the smoking policies on these ships.

[corona5657]

And no it wouldn't be very nice to tell someone they weren't welcome because they smoke.

Au Contraire, I have no problem telling someone who smokes that they are not welcome to do so, just as I will have no hesitation in reporting a violation if it intrudes into my space. It is neither hard nor rude, in fact, it is necessary, particularly in circumstances where the regulations are as clearly stated as is the case on Azamara.

It is no one's priveledge to excempt themselves from the rules, no matter what sort of precedent is set in Washington.........
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I was saying someone in your family not someone you don't know. What are you going to do tell your mom or dad they are not welcome to cruise with you because they smoke??:confused: Read what I said

[LHT28]

I was saying someone in your family not someone you don't know. What are you going to do tell your mom or dad they are not welcome to cruise with you because they smoke??:confused:

Why would you tell them they cannot come with you?
There are smoking areas ...just make sure they are aware it is limited smoking and let them decide

[corona5657]

And anyhow this whole smoking thing is soooo old, I am not going to even bother to post on it anymore. I am not expecting special treatment, I follow the rules end of story. Have a great day!!:D

[corona5657]

I was referring to what Tess said. Guess I didn't make that clear enough.

[greeneg]

I was saying someone in your family not someone you don't know. What are you going to do tell your mom or dad they are not welcome to cruise with you because they smoke??:confused: Read what I said


As a matter of fact, My Son-in-Law, who is otherwise a great guy, is not allowed to smoke in my home. He is well aware of it, the reasons for it, and goes outside when he needs to. This is the way that it is.

[orchestrapal]

Oceania Cruises are all over-booked partially because of their non-smoking and very limited children on board. They do most things right and it can and does work!

[GAV BOY]

Why in this day and age ,when smoking is being banned in enclosed Public places in most civilised countries, is it still allowed on Ships :confused:

Come on Cruise Lines get your act together, its taking you too long ! :(

And dont worry that smokers will stop cruising because they wont ,as the smoking ban has proved in the UK where Pubs are busier if anything since the new law !

[JCDeck]

I spoke with Azamara customer service today and they stated to me that the smoking policy on the Quest will be exactly the same as the Journey and that it will be enforced.

[Hlitner]

This topic always seem to become emotional, but it would be helpful if there was some understanding by the more militant smokers. In my experience, most smokers try to be considerate. However, some simply take the attitude that smoking is legal and I can do what I want when I want and to heck with the other folks. The reality is that smoking stinks, and to those with asthma and other respiratory diseases it can be more than annoying..it can be truly sickening. Smoking on a balcony will generally annoy anyone who is in the next few cabins downwind. We were recently on a cruise where a cabin with two smokers always kept their door ajar so that the smoke would go out into the hallway and annoy anyone within a hundred yards. One day I saw the lady from that cabin and asked her if she could please close her door and she told me that they needed to keep the door open because it simply got too smokey in their cabin (and they had a balcony). Makes you wonder. Of course we could get into the health problems associated with smoking (I won't go there) and also the fire on the Grand Princess (caused by a cigarette) and the many other fires around the world that result from smoking in bed. Yes, its certainly your right to smoke, but than its also your right to be stupid. When you take an objective look at the pros and cons of smoking it sure seems like smoking and stupid belong in the same sentence. I applaud the efforts of Azamara to try and limit the effect smokers have on the majority of folks that do not smoke.

Hank

[Melady]

:) I was a smoker for 20+ years. Last summer, my husband and I booked Zenith to Bermuda (our second trip there) for 6/16/07. Of course, Azamara replaced Zenith. Limited smoking on Azamara, so I had a unique challenge. Either jog across the ship from our cabin to the smoking section several times throughout the day or quit. On 5/27/07, I stopped smoking forever. By the time we got onboard on 6/16/07, I was over the initial grumpiness and lasted all week without thinking twice about smoking or not smoking. The limited amount of smokers in the tiny smoking section did not bother me at all. Rather, I looked at them with pity thinking how much better they'd feel and BREATHE if they quit. Anyway, it was nice to be on my 10th cruise and not have to worry about how many packs of Newports I'd need. The ship actually smelled nice and no nasty cigarette smells lingered in the air. Even the casino was an enjoyable place to be! So here I am, six weeks, clean, breathing great, no weight gain, smelling like a rose!! :)

Thought I'd share with you. Not making judgments about anyone. Live and let live (or not live)!

[Host Sheila]

MeLady,
Congratulations and good for you! As a registered nurse and and EX-smoker, I applaud your efforts. I do know how hard it can be to shake the habit and I do know how much better it is for your health and your life! Keep up the good job and keep breathing!

[TPKeller]

:) I was a smoker for 20+ years. Last summer, my husband and I booked Zenith to Bermuda (our second trip there) for 6/16/07. Of course, Azamara replaced Zenith. Limited smoking on Azamara, so I had a unique challenge. Either jog across the ship from our cabin to the smoking section several times throughout the day or quit. On 5/27/07, I stopped smoking forever. By the time we got onboard on 6/16/07, I was over the initial grumpiness and lasted all week without thinking twice about smoking or not smoking. The limited amount of smokers in the tiny smoking section did not bother me at all. Rather, I looked at them with pity thinking how much better they'd feel and BREATHE if they quit. Anyway, it was nice to be on my 10th cruise and not have to worry about how many packs of Newports I'd need. The ship actually smelled nice and no nasty cigarette smells lingered in the air. Even the casino was an enjoyable place to be! So here I am, six weeks, clean, breathing great, no weight gain, smelling like a rose!! :)

Thought I'd share with you. Not making judgments about anyone. Live and let live (or not live)!
Congratulations!

Check out the post I made a while back over at the Floataway Lounge:

Stop Smoking = free cruises for life! Really! This is NOT SPAM!! (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=550713)

A calculator to help you add up your savings, if you funnel the same money you spent on cigarettes into a savings account. You might as well enjoy free cruises for your efforts in addition to your better health!

Theron

[Hlitner]

Theron, great point. When my DW and I were a bit younger some of our workmates wondered how we could afford to take cruises every year. We used to tell them (some of them were heavy smokers) that we saved enough money by not smoking to pay for a week cruise every year (this is true if you smoke a pack or 2 per day). Now we are retired (and still young) and several of our heavy smoking workmates are either dead or have emphysema (a fate that is perhaps worse than death). After working more than 35 years in the health field I have never understood why anyone would smoke. The same person who worries about being exposed to a little radon in their home (a carcinogen) or drinking tap water has no problem inhaling more than 69 known carcinogens every time they smoke. The logic is lost on me but I guess everyone has their vices. The bottom line is that on average, smokers will have their life span reduced by nearly 10%. On the other hand, smokers dying early is a great help to our Social Security Program since it reduces the payouts.

Hank

Hank

[Nutrioso]

Hlitner: Unfortunately, there is no logic to it. As a smoker who quit (with much difficulty) about 10 years ago, I can verify that it is an addiction. A very tough one, too. Not at all easy to quit or to stay off those nicotine delivery systems. PENNY

[MMastell]

I booked my, 11/29/07 Journey cruise, fully aware of the smoking policy and I am a smoker. I have no intention of smoking anywhere except the designated areas.

I find this a reasonable, unlike Renaissance's old, totally non-smoking, policy. It was laughable because the crew could smoke and you smelled it coming up from the crew stairwells. :)

Next December, Regent will no longer allow smoking in their staterooms or balconies.

I believe these policies will continue to spread among the niche, luxury and Premium lines and will eventually become an industry standard.

As long as there is a reasonable place for smokers to smoke then I will cruise. If not then I will find another vacation alternative.

Take care,
Mike

[GAV BOY]

I booked my, 11/29/07 Journey cruise, fully aware of the smoking policy and I am a smoker. I have no intention of smoking anywhere except the designated areas.

I find this a reasonable, unlike Renaissance's old, totally non-smoking, policy. It was laughable because the crew could smoke and you smelled it coming up from the crew stairwells. :)

Next December, Regent will no longer allow smoking in their staterooms or balconies.

I believe these policies will continue to spread among the niche, luxury and Premium lines and will eventually become an industry standard.

As long as there is a reasonable place for smokers to smoke then I will cruise. If not then I will find another vacation alternative.

Take care,
Mike

I find it sad that something like this can have such a hold on your life ! :(

[ragwing]

As long as there is a reasonable place for smokers to smoke then I will cruise. If not then I will find another vacation alternative.


Wow.....

[greeneg]

I find it sad that something like this can have such a hold on your life !

Very true, it is sad, but as Penny pointed out, smoking is a true drug addiction. It is a matter of medical fact that nicotine is one of, if not the most, addicting of all known agents. The Addiction Potential is actually higher than heroin or crack cocaine.

This is a very difficult addiction to break; I know, I've been there and I DO remember how hard it is to beat. And, to make it worse, the cravings are still there after 15 years of being "clean". They are controllable, but every now and then that Little Voice whispers in your ear, " just one".........

Perhaps that's why ex-smokers usually consider themselves as "recovering" rather than "recovered", and try so hard to avoid being further exposed.

[mathewsman]

How come nobody bashes drinking alcohol?

[corona5657]

How come nobody bashes drinking alcohol?

mathewsman you are wasting your time here. No matter what you say, you are a considerate smoker, you smoke in designated areas, you are the bad guy. I know I have made a few posts, and have given up. I get tired of people telling me I smell or I am going to die, or I am putting smoke in their areas. I am 50 years old. I know the facts. I don't need people telling me I am going to die. Yes, non-smokers have rights, but so do I. There will always be people who smoke regardless of what non-smokers think. I cruised on 6/23, smoked where it was allowed and not a single person complained or gave me dirty looks. I smoke, get over it. I know the consequences. So as I said before, it is not worth posting on this mathewsman, you are wasting your time.:) Have a nice day!!

[riteonglor]

How come nobody bashes drinking alcohol?
AMEN, I wonder the same thing myself, you can bet alcohol plays a big part in all the people that go overboard. Maybe they figure its better to kill yourself quickly then slowly.

[corona5657]

AMEN, I wonder the same thing myself, you can bet alcohol plays a big part in all the people that go overboard. Maybe they figure its better to kill yourself quickly then slowly.

riteonglor: I hear you. But the non-smokers will counter with "But the alcohol they drink won't kill me". But, it could. They could be driving drunk, and you could be in their way. So I guess we better designate an area in every town where just the drinkers go. A small corner will do.:D

[GAV BOY]

How come nobody bashes drinking alcohol?

There is no comparison !

[GAV BOY]

mathewsman you are wasting your time here. No matter what you say, you are a considerate smoker, you smoke in designated areas, you are the bad guy. I know I have made a few posts, and have given up. I get tired of people telling me I smell or I am going to die, or I am putting smoke in their areas. I am 50 years old. I know the facts. I don't need people telling me I am going to die. Yes, non-smokers have rights, but so do I. There will always be people who smoke regardless of what non-smokers think. I cruised on 6/23, smoked where it was allowed and not a single person complained or gave me dirty looks. I smoke, get over it. I know the consequences. So as I said before, it is not worth posting on this mathewsman, you are wasting your time.:) Have a nice day!!

By all means damage your own health, but not mine !

[ragwing]

As long as there is a reasonable place for smokers to smoke then I will cruise. If not then I will find another vacation alternative.

---

I probably shouldn't belabor this point or thread but let me just say this from a personal point of view.

Wanna' smoke? Fine, it's a drug addiction and yes alcohol can be as bad.
There are places and times for each.

But to change one's entire vacation plan (and probably that of an entire family) because one can't smoke or drink is a bit telling to me.

'Nuff said, I'm off this thread.:o

[moonmom]

mathewsman you are wasting your time here. No matter what you say, you are a considerate smoker, you smoke in designated areas, you are the bad guy. I know I have made a few posts, and have given up. I get tired of people telling me I smell or I am going to die, or I am putting smoke in their areas. I am 50 years old. I know the facts. I don't need people telling me I am going to die. Yes, non-smokers have rights, but so do I. There will always be people who smoke regardless of what non-smokers think. I cruised on 6/23, smoked where it was allowed and not a single person complained or gave me dirty looks. I smoke, get over it. I know the consequences. So as I said before, it is not worth posting on this mathewsman, you are wasting your time.:) Have a nice day!!


...thanks for your refreshing attitude on this subject as well as all of your posts regarding cruising on this ship! :) i came to this thread for information on what the rules are (which i am more than willing to follow!) and how my fellow passengers are finding the policy...NOT a lecture on my "bad" habits!:eek:

thanks again...jane

[corona5657]

...thanks for your refreshing attitude on this subject as well as all of your posts regarding cruising on this ship! :) i came to this thread for information on what the rules are (which i am more than willing to follow!) and how my fellow passengers are finding the policy...NOT a lecture on my "bad" habits!:eek:

thanks again...jane

thank you Jane. I know people are entitled to their opinions, but frankly it has gotten out of hand, everywhere. I go to non-smoking restaurants where I live with no problem. My son doesn't smoke, and we accomodate that when he comes home. Non-smokers don't want to hear ANYTHING. I wouldn't give up my vacation because of a non smoking policy. Where I work, there is no smoking, and I handle it quite well. It's a subject that will never go away. Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it..............:D

[greeneg]

The bottom line of the whole issue is not what you do to yourself: most other people, smokers or not, are singularly unconcerned with this; the issue is, whether or not you can confine your vices and their consequences to yourself and your immediate space, as opposed to disseminating them over a wide area. Smoke, the smell thereof, and the recognized associated hazards that accompany the smoke, infiltrate wide areas despite the oft-stated desire of the smoker to prevent this. Hence the necessity of restrictioning smoking to very specific and limited areas within the ship.

In other words, it really isn't about you, it is about others.

If you follow the rules and indulge your habit in the designated areas, then there should be no problem and no issues. If your smoke migrates from your cabin, in violation of Azamara's published policy, to your balcony and from there to my balcony and my cabin, then yes, we will have an on-board issue to deal with.

My hope is, of course, that Azamara will consistantly enforce their published smoking policies. If so, then they will likely keep at least on customer; if not, well then, that will be history.

[GAV BOY]

...thanks for your refreshing attitude on this subject as well as all of your posts regarding cruising on this ship! :) i came to this thread for information on what the rules are (which i am more than willing to follow!) and how my fellow passengers are finding the policy...NOT a lecture on my "bad" habits!:eek:

thanks again...jane

Smokers bad habits are no concern to non-smokers , as long as you keep it to yourselves ! :rolleyes:

[Hondu]

Wouldn't it be nice is smokers had a bubble over their heads to keep the smoke for themselves. The whole thing is that we would prefer that they not share with us.

[Hondu]

:) I was a smoker for 20+ years. Last summer, my husband and I booked Zenith to Bermuda (our second trip there) for 6/16/07. Of course, Azamara replaced Zenith. Limited smoking on Azamara, so I had a unique challenge. Either jog across the ship from our cabin to the smoking section several times throughout the day or quit. On 5/27/07, I stopped smoking forever. By the time we got onboard on 6/16/07, I was over the initial grumpiness and lasted all week without thinking twice about smoking or not smoking. The limited amount of smokers in the tiny smoking section did not bother me at all. Rather, I looked at them with pity thinking how much better they'd feel and BREATHE if they quit. Anyway, it was nice to be on my 10th cruise and not have to worry about how many packs of Newports I'd need. The ship actually smelled nice and no nasty cigarette smells lingered in the air. Even the casino was an enjoyable place to be! So here I am, six weeks, clean, breathing great, no weight gain, smelling like a rose!! :)

Thought I'd share with you. Not making judgments about anyone. Live and let live (or not live)!

Congratulations. You are definitely a ROSE.:)

[richsea]

Ed, I know this is OT, but every time I see your avatar, I'm reminded of "Wilson" on Tim Allen's "Home Improvement".:D

[greeneg]

Ed, I know this is OT, but every time I see your avatar, I'm reminded of "Wilson" on Tim Allen's "Home Improvement".:D

I'll change it in the Fall for Basketball Season, Rich........

Truth be told, never watched Home Improvement, basically I'm a PBS kind of guy.....

Ed

[JCDeck]

Thank you CORONA5657, its fun to make people laugh. Buttt, you know and I know, I'm going to get nailed on this one. Those non-smokers have no sense of humor, they wanna get us.

Smoking isn't funny, it killed by beloved mother at age 56,I fail to see the humor. We're not out to get you the smoking is doing that for us. All the money we are saving not smoking we are spending in higher insurance premiums to help off set the cost of health care for all the smoking ailments.

Put a bubble on your head and smoke away!!!

[Melady]

talking about smoking and not smoking with all of you! Here I am 7 weeks still not smoking. saving tons of money towards my next cruise :)

[greeneg]

That's a real accomplishment, Melady.

It's really hard to do and you should be justly proud....

Keep it up!! Congratulations!!

[riteonglor]

Smoking isn't funny, it killed by beloved mother at age 56,I fail to see the humor. We're not out to get you the smoking is doing that for us. All the money we are saving not smoking we are spending in higher insurance premiums to help off set the cost of health care for all the smoking ailments.

Put a bubble on your head and smoke away!!! I never said and do not think smoking is funny. I just think it no ones right to push what they think is right or wrong down the smokers throat, nor the drinker's throat, nor the overweight people's throat. All these vices create problems.

Now lets get to insurance rates, don't even go there. That its on account of smoking ailments. First, there is plenty of greed with the insurance company's. Plenty of greed with a lot of hospital's and the illegals are breaking hospitals and we pay for that in higher prices.
Over weight people end up with mega health problems, as do alcoholic's, as do smoker's. Then their are the people.... that for no reason die healthy. I had an aunt that was a total health freak, ate right, lived right and died young with leukimia. So....when your #'s up its up. Now, to live to be old and die of alzheimer's, who needs it.
The good news is, according to the medical pro's, smokers very rarely get Parkinson's disease, just on the national news last night.

[ragwing]

Smoking isn't funny, it killed by beloved mother at age 56,I fail to see the humor. We're not out to get you the smoking is doing that for us. All the money we are saving not smoking we are spending in higher insurance premiums to help off set the cost of health care for all the smoking ailments.

Put a bubble on your head and smoke away!!!


Smoking took my mother as well. Smoking ain't funny...

[JCDeck]

I never said and do not think smoking is funny. I just think it no ones right to push what they think is right or wrong down the smokers throat, nor the drinker's throat, nor the overweight people's throat. All these vices create problems.

Now lets get to insurance rates, don't even go there. That its on account of smoking ailments. First, there is plenty of greed with the insurance company's. Plenty of greed with a lot of hospital's and the illegals are breaking hospitals and we pay for that in higher prices.
Over weight people end up with mega health problems, as do alcoholic's, as do smoker's. Then their are the people.... that for no reason die healthy. I had an aunt that was a total health freak, ate right, lived right and died young with leukimia. So....when your #'s up its up. Now, to live to be old and die of alzheimer's, who needs it.
The good news is, according to the medical pro's, smokers very rarely get Parkinson's disease, just on the national news last night.

Rationalize it anyway you like as most smokers do(Includung my own family). The thing is we aren't talking about what you do to yourself but how the "you" affects "Me". So unless the "you's" are smoking in an airtight closet and the "me's" don't have to breathe it, I will absolutely have an opinion on where the smoking happens as much as I can, as far as I'm concerned smokers "Rights" end when my right to breathe "Free" is affected. I'm not being ugly here.... it's just a VERY ugly subject.

As far as smokers rarely getting Parkinson's disease, I guess one out of 10,000 could be considered great odds. Hang on to that. The number of people who die from complications of smoking far out number the odd fluke that the health freak dropped dead. I wish you well and good health. This is a very touchy subject for me as I miss my mother every day and 56 is way too young to die from something that could have been prevented.

[Hlitner]

Statistics are a very interesting thing. "Smokers rarely get Parkinson's" is the latest statistic. Of course smokers live about 7 years less than non-smokers (some statistics say smoking reduces your life span by a factor of 10%) and Parkinsons is primarily a disease that strikes the elderly (the average age of onset is about 60). Since many smokers are already dead, it stands to reason that fewer will get Parkinsons. In fact, a good argument for smoking is that you will probably die younger and avoid a lot of the problems tied to old age :). A smoking related story, that gives you an idea of the power of addiction, goes back to when I volunteered a lot of time as a Paramedic. I got an ambulance call one day for a man having trouble breathing and it turned out to be a "regular" customer who had terminal lung cancer. We put him on O2 and started on the drive to the hospital (turned out to be his last drive) and on the way he asked if he could have a cigarette.

Hank

[Melady]

for your support! Hopefully, alot more people will stop smoking. It changed my life for the better, and if they quit smoking, their life and their health will improve also!

Take care everyone & thanks again :)

[WCAB]

I quit smoking at the end of December. If I can do it, anyone can, although it took a complete change in my routine, I retired, sold my house and moved to another state. I just decided it was the perfect timing. A new routine and maybe I could do it. While I will never go back to smoking, I find I still relate to the smokers on these arguments, maybe that changes over time. I do feel, if the cruise line gives smokers the option of going somewhere and having a smoke that would have made me happy in my smoking days.

Carol

[Nutrioso]

Hey everybody! Check out the item re smoking changes on the CC news thread. Many cruise lines are planning limited smoking areas. With fines, in some cases, if caught smoking in your cabin. PENNY

[STJ]

I am new to the Journey and was just looking at my cruise Docs. Does anyone know anything about their alcohol policy regarding bringing your own aboard? Are they as strict as it sounds? I have never encountered this on other ships.

[cruisePRN]

Bringing alcohol is not allowed. It is not a smoker friendly ship. The smokers get two places outside to pollute their lungs and the air around them, all others can avoid these two places. It's spelled out in the policy. There's already a lengthy post on this topic.

[nlvc12]

I am new to the Journey and was just looking at my cruise Docs. Does anyone know anything about their alcohol policy regarding bringing your own aboard? Are they as strict as it sounds? I have never encountered this on other ships.


It seems to me, from observation of postings on this site, that you likely can get away with discreetly bring alcohol in your luggage when you board the ship. It is rarely discovered or challenged. However, any booze purchased during shore excursions will be discovered during the bag search as you re-board; they will "keep it for you" until the end of the cruise.


nlvc

[Susan-M]

Is it less likely for a rich person to be a smoker than a person of modest means?

Hi Dena, Here's an article on the demographics of smokers ... it's a bit dated, but probably still holds true today. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4021/is_n11_v16/ai_15899459

[bububr]

That is a very good link, and I don't disagree with the findings, however there is one major issue that was not addressed.

Industry.

While KY may have/had the highest occurances, they also have a huge amout of factories which emit pollutants into the air, the same goes for North Carolina and its mills. While the study mentions education as a factor, if one looks carefully at the amount of blue collar mill and factory jobs in the southern and midwest states I think a similar comparisson might be made.

As far as I know driving through Utah I saw very little in the way of paper and fabric mills, or large factories producing a substancial amount of air pollution, the same goes for Vermont. in contrast driving through the south from Savannah to the Carolinas I was bombarded with smokestacks, odors, and who knows what gases and particles from these papermills, and industrial factories.

I'm also quite sure that some of the percentages may include but not specify people who were afflicted with lung cancer due to say asbestos exposure, or coal mining which would also be attibuted to the high instance areas.

So it would be interesting to see a report that accurately states percentages based in air pollutants and exposures to other carcinogenic materials compared to tobacco smoke exposure, instead of a theory which links smokers with religion and the level of education they have recieved.

Dave:eek:

So to actually stay on topic, think of the areas where the ships dock, most are industrial and are emmitting some kind of pollutant out of a stack, just the same, the smoke and particles ( soot) from a ships stack can be a contributing factor to allergies,and severe breathing disorders.

[greeneg]

I have to say Dave, I think that you are beggaring the question: the issue isn't that there aren't plenty of other pollutants out there, there certainly are. The issue is that Second Hand Smoke is demonstrably harmful to non-smokers. This is a fact, it is well established, and the data are not really open to question any more. Smoking is clearly harmful to those who smoke and to those who are exposed to the by-products of the addiction.

Besides, you'll go blind, lose your hair, and get warts on your hands......:)

[Susan-M]

That is a very good link, and I don't disagree with the findings, however there is one major issue that was not addressed.


Hi Dave,
You make a good point - we live in an area with more than our fair share of industry and we also have high rates of cancer ... but cancers of many types. So yes, the pollutants are responsible for some case of lung cancer as you do hear of people developing lung cancer who are not smokers and who have had minimal exposure to second hand smoke. But the staggering statistics are those of deaths related to smoking and second hand smoke.:(

[bububr]

"Besides, you'll go blind, lose your hair, and get warts on your hands......:)"

Those are callouses!!!.......:D.

BTW: I'm not disagreeing that smoking or second hand smoke is bad for you, and I think you know that....I am just disagreeing with how extensive the damage, if any would be if exposed for a short period of time, say walking by smokers on a ship, or sitting in a smokey casino for a couple hours.

I think its very fair that Azamara has instituted designated areas for smokers, but I can't understand the reasoning or attitudes of the non-smoking set that want the line to ban it completely. It seems to me that if the majority of the smokers are adherant, there should no problems, and this shouldn't even be an issue. As long as the non-smokers are as adherant with the lines others policies, like sneaking on boooze, etc.....lest they be hypocrites......

Dave:eek:

[Susan-M]

It seems to me that if the majority of the smokers are adherant, there should no problems, and this shouldn't even be an issue.

I agree and as a non-smoker, I can accept the designated smoking areas instead of a complete ban because I'm sure that most will adhere to it.

As long as the non-smokers are as adherant with the lines others policies, like sneaking on boooze, etc.....lest they be hypocrites......

Dave:eek:

What about the smokers who adhere to the smoking policy but not the alcohol policy .... can we copy them? ;) Just joking ... the two bottles of wine limit works for me.

[bububr]

I think you'd still be a nice person even if you brought on three bottles.;)

Dave:eek:

[greeneg]

Dave, one of the things that I heard on the News this afternoon was that there has been a very significant decline in the number of deaths which were attributal to lung cancer. This decline was felt to be directly related to the decreasing number of people who smoke.

I think that some of the problem is trying to determine whether or not the damage produced by second-hand smoke is cumulative or not. I don't know of a study which looked at the cancer rates of casino workers, for example. One would expect them to be at an increased risk, but I don't know if someone has actually done the research. I'll try and see what I can find.

I do know that if someone does quit smoking that it takes about 5 years before the risk of cancer approaches that of the non-smoker, so those changes appear to be at least somewhat reversible.

I personally think that reformed smokers like me are just very sensitive to being tempted to start up again ( it would only take one for me to do it). I also think that when you stop smoking, you become very aware of how offensive the odor of stale smoke is, and how it permeates the area that it is in.....

If I can find something on Casino Workers, I'll post a link.

[Susan-M]

Dave, one of the things that I heard on the News this afternoon was that there has been a very significant decline in the number of deaths which were attributal to lung cancer. This decline was felt to be directly related to the decreasing number of people who smoke.



Hi Ed: Just heard this news today as well: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8MHRQEO1&show_article=1

[frangul]

I think you are wrong. I think they will have more bookings. I hate, hate, hate to have a balcony where the smoke from the other cabin comes my way. If I can count on that not happening, I have made my investment worth way more. Thank you Celebrity!!

[frangul]

I think 5 years is very optimistic for the lungs to turn around. A ct scan of both my husband, who has not smoked for 25 years and myself, who has never smoked, showed his lungs still a light shade of gray, whereas mine were white. That is after 25 years. It can be turned around but it does take a long time.

[greeneg]

Actually, the risks do drop off surprisingly fast after smoking cessation. Here's one reference, http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/cessation : a search for " Benefits of Smoking Cessation " will yield a number more.

And Dave, I did a search looking for increased risks for casino employees because of their smoky environment, and there are a number of studies there also. Bottom line is that Casino Employees are at significantly increased risk for lung cancer and heart disease even if they themselves are non-smokers.

[bububr]

I wouldn't doubt it, just like flight attendants when smoking was allowed on planes.

My reference was to the average non-smoking joe or jane that goes on a cruise and spends a few hours in a smokey casino, as compared to the casino worker who is there daily for 8 or more hours.

Like I said, I don't belive smoking or second hand smoke is good for anyone, but how much damage can actually be done on a seven to ten night cruise, being exposed occasionally, be it in a casino or on a balcony.

Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you....I'm just looking for proven documentation. I understand the smell can either be foul or coax you back into the habit, but will a non-smoker drop dead from playing in a casino on a ship where there are smokers , or getting a whiff on a balcony? get athsma, or heart disease? or just be slightly annoyed by the smell with no real long term effects?

Personally even though I do smoke ocassionally, I don't want to sit in a room full of smokers. I don't even like to sit inbetween two players puffing away at slot machines, 1 is okay. And if I am playing I always ask the players next to me if they mind. If they do, then I don't light up. Its not that important to me.....As I said, I don't have an addictive personality ( unless you consider cruising and Cruise critic one ), and don't have to smoke if I can't. But if I do decide I want to , I feel I should have that option if it isn't directly affecting another person.......

So in essence, we do know that long term exposure, especially persons who are more likely to develop cancers DOES affect long term. But a cruise is simply a week or so, the non-smokers are not persistantly and continuosly exposed, so what would the long term effects be?

Remember I'm agreeing with you, I'm just putting the shoe on the other foot.

Dave:eek:

[cruisePRN]

Someone who smoked and quit is always at risk for COPD and Emphysema not necessarity lung cancer. A whiff of smoke can send them into a real asthmatic type attack requiring an inhaler.