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Solstice
June 26th, 2007, 03:57 PM
Our family is having a bit of a crisis and one member of our party - my niece's husband - may not be able to make our cruise on the Zuiderdam in late July. If he can't make it, my niece would bring her 7 year old son along instead. At what point can we make that change? Is there a penalty for substituting one passenger for another? The little guy has a passport, a tux and a book about whales so he's ready to go!

O2B@C
June 26th, 2007, 05:29 PM
On a "Brand X" cruise two years ago, I was permitted to substitute a friend for my DH when my DH was unable to go at the last minute for health reasons. We made the change only about a week before the cruise. I have no experience with HAL, but I think there have been some prior threads on this board indicating that HAL will also permit this change - but perhaps only once per booking.

I think you have plenty of time at this point, but I would encourage you to call your TA (or HAL if you booked directly with them) ASAP to alert them to the potential problem and ask what HAL's policy will be. You (and your niece and her family) probably don't need to decide right away, but you should find out right away whether you can make this change at all, and if so, what the last possible date to do so would be. That way you will know when the decision needs to be made by, and not risk finding out at the last minute that the substitution cannot be made because you have missed the deadline.

Good luck! It sounds like this will turn out fine either way - I'm sure your grandnephew will enjoy the cruise, if it turns out his dad can't go.

wizard-of-roz
June 26th, 2007, 05:32 PM
And, if he can't go.....I can!!!!!

I'm fun....I love to dance.....I love music and shows.....and, I'll even polish your shoes! :p

cruisinjudy
June 26th, 2007, 07:16 PM
A few years ago my MIL died before the cruise we had planned with her and my mother on HAL and we were able to substitute my sister in my MIL's place. MIL was to share a cabin with my mother so instead my sister took that spot. We did this about a month before the cruise as my MIL's health was failing. We couldn't let my mother go alone. At this point we weren't sure if my husband would make it or not due to the condition of his mother. Everything was reallly up in the air for a while. My sister had to fly in from NY to do this so we had to make a decision. We decided at least my mother and sister and I would go so my mother would not miss out on this cruise which might be her last. Anyway we were able to make the substitution with no problem.

Jade13
June 26th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Our family is having a bit of a crisis and one member of our party - my niece's husband - may not be able to make our cruise on the Zuiderdam in late July. If he can't make it, my niece would bring her 7 year old son along instead. At what point can we make that change? Is there a penalty for substituting one passenger for another? The little guy has a passport, a tux and a book about whales so he's ready to go!

As far as I know it is a cancellation. Do you have cancellation insurance? What date in July? If you bought HAL"s insurance and it was a non medical reason you would get 90% back up to 24 hours prior to departure at 30 days you would get 95% back....

Let us know what you find out. A medical reason is different than a work related reason etc.

jtl513
June 26th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Substitutions are allowed, but at least one person per cabin must remain the same. I too am not sure what the deadline might be, but as O2B@C said, call your TA or PCC ASAP.

Jade13
June 26th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Substitutions are allowed, but at least one person per cabin must remain the same. I too am not sure what the deadline might be, but as O2B@C said, call your TA or PCC ASAP.

Really, within 30 days of departure?

Solstice
June 26th, 2007, 11:01 PM
Thank you all for the information. I have sent an email off to our TA. I'll let you know what she (and HAL) has to say!

jtl513
June 26th, 2007, 11:07 PM
Really, within 30 days of departure?As I said, I don't know what the absolute cut-off point is, but cruisinjudy said above "... so instead my sister took that spot. We did this about a month before the cruise ..."

peaches from georgia
June 26th, 2007, 11:12 PM
As far as I know it is a cancellation. Do you have cancellation insurance? What date in July? If you bought HAL"s insurance and it was a non medical reason you would get 90% back up to 24 hours prior to departure at 30 days you would get 95% back....

Let us know what you find out. A medical reason is different than a work related reason etc.
I don't think it's a cancellation nor does it involve any insurance. No one is asking for any money back. They just want to substitute on person for another in the same cabin. No refund, no change in fare. They need to check with HAL and have their TA check to see what the name-change procedure is with HAL and the time frame this is allowed.

geocruiser
June 26th, 2007, 11:44 PM
Hi,

Two years ago we were traveling with some friends. One of them couldn't make it. They had no trouble finding a substitute and making the switch with HAL. This was less than a week before we sailed. I forget if there was a fee.

Geo

Jade13
June 27th, 2007, 07:57 AM
I don't see anything re substitution. Perhaps it is done on a case by case basis. Maybe the loss would be any insurance?




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B. THE CRUISE OR CRUISETOUR

1. Additions to Fare/Non-Discountable Amount, Taxes and Surcharges: (a) The fare that you paid was determined far in advance of Initial Departure on the basis of then-existing projections of fuel and other costs. In the event of an increase in fuel or other costs above amounts projected, we have the right to increase the fare at any time up to Initial Departure and to require payment of the additional fare prior to Initial Departure. We have the right to refuse to transport you unless the additional fare is paid. Within seven (7) days after you are notified of the additional fare (but no later than Initial Departure), you may elect to surrender this contract to us for cancellation, whereupon you will receive the Refund Amount. Cancellation fees do not apply to this type of refund.
(b) Your cruise fare includes a "Non-Discountable Amount." That portion of the fare is both non-commissionable to travel agents and not subject to reduction in the event of a percentage discount promotion, 2 for 1 promotion or otherwise. In addition to your cruise fare, you will also be charged an amount for Taxes. That term, as used by us, refers to certain taxes, fees and charges imposed by governmental or quasi-governmental authorities, including port authorities, relating to any aspect of your cruise or tour. If governmental action results in any element of Taxes exceeding the estimates used by us for purposes of computing the quoted amount, we reserve the right to pass through the extra amount. Similarly, we reserve the right to impose or pass through fuel surcharges, security surcharges or similar incidental surcharges. No right of cancellation exists under either of these circumstances.
2. Hostilities: Although unlikely, the Ship may be confronted by actual or threatened war, warlike operations or hostilities. In addition to our right to deal with this situation under our general right to respond to safety concerns, we may also decide that it would be prudent for the Ship to sail with or without lights, omit observance of practices, rules and regulations as to navigation, cargo or others applicable in time of peace, or sail armed or unarmed and with or without convoy.
3. Holland America Brochure/Cancellations Policy: If not already received, you can obtain the Holland America Line brochure for the Cruise or Cruisetour from your travel agent or us. You should familiarize yourself with the brochure as well as with the What You Need to Know Before You Go booklet that we provided you with. Please be advised, however, that if the brochure or booklet is inconsistent with this contract, this contract will be controlling. Note in particular our cancellations policy which specifies cancellation fees that you will be subject to if this contract is surrendered for cancellation within certain time periods prior to Initial Departure. Since a cancellation likely means a lost opportunity to sell space on other Cruises or Cruisetours, these fees apply regardless of whether your space is resold. You hereby agree that losses sustained by us in the event of your cancellation would be very difficult or impossible to quantify, and that the fees set forth in our cancellations policy represent a fair and reasonable assessment as liquidated damages.
C. HAL AIR PACKAGE

1. Arrangements by HAL: If you are participating in our Fly Cruise Plan or Fly Cruise and Tour Plan, we will arrange for air transportation from the home cities listed in our brochure to the departure point of your Cruise or Cruisetour and return air transportation from the termination point of your Cruise or Cruisetour to the home city from which you departed. Due to the special fares and capacity controls we have with airlines, we retain the right to select carriers and determine routings. Some routings may involve travel to an airport other than in the city where the Ship embarks or disembarks. In those cases, motorcoach transportation to and/or from the Ship will be provided. Flight schedules and/or availability may require overnight hotel accommodations either to join and/or to return from your Cruise or Cruisetour. Please refer to the applicable Holland America Line brochure regarding our policies on booking hotels and responsibility for the costs of hotels and associated services.
2. Schedule Changes/Air Delays: We reserve the right to change or alter air flights as required by airline schedule changes. If tickets have already been issued, we will adjust your itinerary or air carrier, accordingly. In that event, we may ask you to return your tickets to your travel agent. Should you choose to alter your airline schedule in any way once your tickets have been issued, airline charges which result will be your responsibility. If our assistance is requested in changing airline arrangements within 60 days of departure, an additional administrative charge will be levied in addition to any charges imposed by airlines. If your flights are delayed, refer to our What You Need to Know Before You Go booklet for instructions.
3. Refunds/Seat Assignments/Special Services/Fares/Lost Tickets/Baggage Charges: The maximum refund to you for unused flight coupons will not exceed the air add-on or cruise only credit amount paid to us. We cannot make or confirm seat assignments, special meals or other special services. Your travel agent may assist with these arrangements. Please note that because of changing airline tariffs, your actual air ticket may reflect fares higher or lower than the air add-on or cruise only credit amounts shown in the Holland America Line brochure. If so, the difference is neither chargeable nor refundable to you. If, however, airline fuel or other surcharges or additional governmental taxes or levies are imposed, we reserve the right to pass these through to you. Please keep your airline tickets in a safe place. Should they be lost, you will be responsible for their replacement. Each airline has its own baggage allowance policy. You are responsible for any excess baggage charges imposed by airlines.
4. Liability and Relationship With Airlines: We will use our best efforts to arrange for your air transportation. If, however, due to any cause beyond our control, we are unable to arrange for air transportation (including, for example, because of capacity controls placed upon us by airlines due to the types of fares under which we book) or the air transportation we arrange is unavailable or otherwise fails to materialize, our sole liability will be limited to refunding the air add-on paid or cruise only credit. Our relationship with airlines is that of an independent travel agent. We assume no liability for any acts or omissions of any airline including, without limitation, those involving cancellation of flights, schedule changes, re-routings, damage to or delay or loss of baggage, flight delays, equipment failures, accidents, pilot or other staff shortages, overbooking or computer errors. Accordingly, you will not have any right to claim or recover against us as a consequence of any act or omission of any airline. The liabilities and obligations of an airline to you, and your rights against an airline, are subject to any and all terms and conditions of the airline's ticket and tariffs and any and all governmental laws and regulations bearing upon or otherwise relating to such rights, liabilities and obligations.
02/08/06

gizmo
June 27th, 2007, 08:16 AM
I don't see anything re substitution. Perhaps it is done on a case by case basis. Maybe the loss would be any insurance?



Substitution has been done. I know I read where there is a fee, but I don't remember what it was.

As far as insurance goes, I never heard of a transferable policy. I don't believe there is any insurance company that would ever do such a thing.

Sunshine91
June 27th, 2007, 11:52 PM
Solstice - please be sure to let us know what your TA says. I looked at the "Details" page in the back of my HAL brochure. It states that cruise contracts are non-transferable. Name & departure date changes are also considered cancellations & are subject to the cancellation fee. What will your family need to do about airfare changes, or are you driving to the port?

Jade - I'm not so sure that HAL distinguishes between a medical, work or personal reason when someone cancels a cruise. Under the cancellation policy section on this same Details page, it simply states "any reason, including medical or family...." The CPP plan, of course, may differentiate.

FYI - I've had no personal experience in cancelling a cruise. I'm only repeating what's printed in the booklet.

Tinknock50
June 28th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Well once I did have a double booking but the other person had to cancel after final payment. So I switched to a single.

Then later a second person joined me....I don't remember for sure, but I may have had to pay a $50 doc change fee.:)

Solstice
June 28th, 2007, 09:33 AM
The TA contacted HAL and here's what we've been told so far. I say 'so far' because everything seems to be open to negotiation once you get the right person on the phone.

We were told by the TA that if we make the commitment to the change by Monday the fee for changing is about $375. However, if we make the change after that, but before 16 days out from the trip, the cost is about $500. After 16 days the price continues to increase.

I understand there should be some fee because they have to reprint papers and change all their internal reports. But to change only one of the names on a double cabin and not have any change for billing purposes, the fees my TA are quoting seem excessive.
"$50? Sure, not a problem."
"$500? Wha...?!? Are you insane?!?"

Moriah
June 28th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Does anyone know if these fees also apply when one person in the cabin doesn't make it to the cruise - and the other simply takes the cabin as a single? If this is not known until literally the last minute.. what would happen?

jtl513
June 28th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Does anyone know if these fees also apply when one person in the cabin doesn't make it to the cruise - and the other simply takes the cabin as a single? If this is not known until literally the last minute.. what would happen?I think you would simply end up paying a nearly 100% "single supplement". I say "nearly 100%", because you shouldn't have to pay the auto-service-charge, port fees, taxes, etc for the no-show.

Tinknock50
June 28th, 2007, 04:18 PM
The TA contacted HAL and here's what we've been told so far. I say 'so far' because everything seems to be open to negotiation once you get the right person on the phone.

We were told by the TA that if we make the commitment to the change by Monday the fee for changing is about $375. However, if we make the change after that, but before 16 days out from the trip, the cost is about $500. After 16 days the price continues to increase.

I understand there should be some fee because they have to reprint papers and change all their internal reports. But to change only one of the names on a double cabin and not have any change for billing purposes, the fees my TA are quoting seem excessive.
"$50? Sure, not a problem."
"$500? Wha...?!? Are you insane?!?"

I would call HAL directly and see what they say. They won't be able to change anything because your booking is in your TAs hands, but they will know the proper charges for your timetable.

Spender Nui
June 28th, 2007, 06:34 PM
I would check it out at the earliest possible date to find out what and when it might be done.

Sunshine91
June 28th, 2007, 10:52 PM
I understand there should be some fee because they have to reprint papers and change all their internal reports. But to change only one of the names on a double cabin and not have any change for billing purposes, the fees my TA are quoting seem excessive.
"$50? Sure, not a problem."
"$500? Wha...?!? Are you insane?!?"

Solstice - I'm guessing the fees are so steep for a few reasons. First to discourage these "cancellations" or "changes" or whatever term the cruiseline wants to use.

Second, it's not just internal paperwork. We don't really need paper docs to go on a cruise - just need to show up w/appropriate photo ID & money for onboard purchases. However, the cruiseline has to have a manifest (list of pax) that I'm guessing has to be submitted to various places, perhaps even the countries of the portcalls. Maybe part of those high fees are for those offices?

Third, could your TA be taking a cut of those fees? Is any of that negotiable or is all going to HAL?

Finally, does your nephew have cruise cancellation insurance? If he can't go, perhaps the insurance would reimburse these fees. It sure is a question for the insurance company. A whole lot cheaper for them to pay out the change fee than a claim for cancelling altogether. Hmmmm.

jtl513
June 28th, 2007, 11:45 PM
I don't see anything re substitution. Perhaps it is done on a case by case basis. Maybe the loss would be any insurance?
Under HAL's Cancellation Protection Plan description it states:

"Cruise and cruisetour contracts are non-transferable. Name changes (if allowed) and departure date changes are considered cancellations and are subject to cancellation fees."

However, since they know that if substitutions (name changes) were not allowed there would be many more outright cancellations, I would bet that most requests for name changes are allowed.

seattleadjuster
June 29th, 2007, 01:19 AM
I'm waiting to hear what HAL does. In May my wife and I were booked on the one night Vancouver-Seattle Golden Princess cruise. Four days before the cruise my uncle died and they allowed a my wife to substitute her mother AT NO CHARGE! That sure builds goodwill for Princess.

gizmo
June 29th, 2007, 06:49 AM
I did a seach and found this was posted in April 2007.

This is true, In our recent Oosterdam cruise there was a couple that were going with us that about 4 weeks before the cruise had a slight tiff and were sort of broken up and he was interested in changing the name to another friend. The cost was a sliding scale percentage that they could not even tell us what it was other than if he did it the day we checked on it the cost was going to be some odd amount like $722.52 and if he waited 5 days it was then $745.79 not exact numbers but you get the idea. They too told him if he waited much longer it would be cheaper to just pay for a third person because the closer to sailing the higher the cost. I think that the $50 cost comes into play that if you are a year out the fee starts at $50 and that is the minimum. The good news on my friends, they ended up getting back together a few days later and he proposed to her the night of our ROV on the ship. Yes, ALL is still good with them

Jade13
July 4th, 2007, 08:05 AM
Under HAL's Cancellation Protection Plan description it states:

"Cruise and cruisetour contracts are non-transferable. Name changes (if allowed) and departure date changes are considered cancellations and are subject to cancellation fees."

However, since they know that if substitutions (name changes) were not allowed there would be many more outright cancellations, I would bet that most requests for name changes are allowed.


If there wasn't a cancellation fee than everyone would make substitutions.

Jade13
July 4th, 2007, 05:55 PM
The TA contacted HAL and here's what we've been told so far. I say 'so far' because everything seems to be open to negotiation once you get the right person on the phone.

We were told by the TA that if we make the commitment to the change by Monday the fee for changing is about $375. However, if we make the change after that, but before 16 days out from the trip, the cost is about $500. After 16 days the price continues to increase.

I understand there should be some fee because they have to reprint papers and change all their internal reports. But to change only one of the names on a double cabin and not have any change for billing purposes, the fees my TA are quoting seem excessive.
"$50? Sure, not a problem."
"$500? Wha...?!? Are you insane?!?"

Those sound like cancellation fees. Get the exact amount at 30 days 15 days etc.

Jade13
July 4th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Those sound like cancellation fees. Get the exact amount at 30 days 15 days etc.

I found a 2007 HAL cruise cataloge - It states

"Cruise Contracts are nontransferable. Name chnges and departure dare changes are considered reservation cancellations and are subject to cancellation fees."

56-29 days before travel: 50% of gross fare
28-16 days: 75% of gross fare
15 days or less: 100% of gross fare

Unfortunately it sounds like a lot of TA's do not go over these terms nor try to sell Hal's Cancellation Protection Plan (CPP) since they make commission selling their own insurance.

I am guessing HAL made an exception for someone who died because I would guess you can't charge a fee to someone who is deseased (charge their estate?)- unless they just decided to make an exception for a substitution because of a death (or fact it was only a one night cruise).

FloridaGram
July 4th, 2007, 07:13 PM
This year in Feb. my aunt and 2 friends were cooked on HAL and one friend backed out about a week ahead of time. I was able to go in her place but we had to pay a couple of hundred of dollars. I am not sure the exact amount because my aunt paid it. But I can tell you for sure you can do it.
Boy was I the lucky one!

TravelinGrandma
July 4th, 2007, 07:36 PM
I have always wondered why there is a charge for SUBSTITUTING a name. After all, a person has not been able to come, so a substitute has been found and HAL had absolutely no effort to make, two people are still booked and likely spending $$$$.

My thinking is - "Gimme a break!"

serendipity1499
July 5th, 2007, 03:23 PM
I have always wondered why there is a charge for SUBSTITUTING a name. After all, a person has not been able to come, so a substitute has been found and HAL had absolutely no effort to make, two people are still booked and likely spending $$$$.

My thinking is - "Gimme a break!"

It's the same reason Airline Tickets are non-transferable...How often we've seen people trying to sell Airline Tickets on e-bay that are entirely worthless.. No airline will accept a ticket in another persons name..

The two middle pages of most HAL cruise brochures have all the rules & conditions of contract..Once again, it looks like a case of people not reading the contract of carriage, before they book... Also agree it's the Travel Agents who should be pointing this info. out to their clients...However I'm convinced that many TA's actually don't understand the contract enough to give their clients the correct info..Agree in this case, HAL's insurance would have kicked in..And all criuise line contracts I've seen,read exactly the same..

It really is a shame for this poster as it's all in the family...However, I can understand HAL making an exception in the case someone has passed away...And insurance does cover a death or illness....Trying to replace a child for an adult, which in this case looks like it's for a business reason, is making an exception & if they do it for one then they would have to do it for all...

As far as two people spending the $$$$, I don't believe a 7 year old would be spending the same amount an adult spends..

Unfortunately, I believe the poster is out of luck & if all HAL does is charge a cancellation fee, then they are ahead of the game..

I believe they are fortunate not to have to pay for both a new booking for the 7yo as well as the cancellation fee for the Dad..JMO..Betty

jtl513
July 5th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I have always wondered why there is a charge for SUBSTITUTING a name. After all, a person has not been able to come, so a substitute has been found and HAL had absolutely no effort to make, two people are still booked and likely spending $$$$.

My thinking is - "Gimme a break!"Well, there are some small administrative costs for changing the paperwork, and for that I think there should be a small fee ... $50 or $75 maybe. If I were in the OP's shoes and HAL refused to allow the name change I would cancel and rebook the cabin as a single. Even with the "single supplement" the savings should more than offset the cancellation charges.

serendipity1499
July 5th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Well, there are some small administrative costs for changing the paperwork, and for that I think there should be a small fee ... $50 or $75 maybe. If I were in the OP's shoes and HAL refused to allow the name change I would cancel and rebook the cabin as a single. Even with the "single supplement" the savings should more than offset the cancellation charges.

How do you figure by cancelling & then rebooking she would save...This is about three weeks before departure, so they would have to cancel two people at a cost of 75% of the gross fare for the two people...She would get back only 25% of each persons fare....Then she would have to rebook and pay as a single, which is more than 100%...Don't exactly know how much the singles are but it has to be more than 100% of the fare per person..That sounds like a bigger chunk of money as opposed to the quote Hal says it would cost her..$500 to cancel & substitute another name.....

Solstice
July 5th, 2007, 10:19 PM
"...which in this case looks like it's for a business reason..."

No, it was not for a business reason. It was for a terribly sad reason, I just didn't think it was pertinent to the question. I can assure you that this was not done on a whim, nor was it easy for anyone in our group. Everything was explained honestly to HAL and supporting documentation was provided. The name change fee was over $500. It was still less than canceling one booking and doing another. The TA did charge a small fee on top of HAL's but it wasn't outrageous. The involved travelers had not purchased trip insurance so I can't say how that may have changed any of this. Of course the original plane ticket is not refundable and another had to be purchased at over $800.
But all in all we are glad to be able to turn this whole thing around and make it a joyous occasion again for everyone in the group. We are all glad to have our little cruiser joining us and can hardly wait to see the look on his face when he sees his first whale!

serendipity1499
July 5th, 2007, 10:44 PM
"...which in this case looks like it's for a business reason..."

No, it was not for a business reason. It was for a terribly sad reason, I just didn't think it was pertinent to the question. I can assure you that this was not done on a whim, nor was it easy for anyone in our group. Everything was explained honestly to HAL and supporting documentation was provided. The name change fee was over $500. It was still less than canceling one booking and doing another. The TA did charge a small fee on top of HAL's but it wasn't outrageous. The involved travelers had not purchased trip insurance so I can't say how that may have changed any of this. Of course the original plane ticket is not refundable and another had to be purchased at over $800.
But all in all we are glad to be able to turn this whole thing around and make it a joyous occasion again for everyone in the group. We are all glad to have our little cruiser joining us and can hardly wait to see the look on his face when he sees his first whale!

Glad it worked out for your Niece & apologize for assuming that it was for a business reason..And I don't think any of us thought it was done on a whim...It's just that so many people are not aware of what they are getting into when they purchase a cruise...Many Travel Agents are not telling people what to expect..For whatever reason it was, HAL could not make an exception, because they would have to do it for every case...That's why purchasing insurance is important..

If she had Hal's insurance it would have covered cancellation for any reason up to a few days before departure..

Other insurance policies only cover cancellation for medical &/or death in the family..

However, I'm baffled & really don't understand why any Travel Agent would charge anthing extra (even a small amount) in this situation..Isn't she still getting her full comission on the cruise?

jazzsea
July 6th, 2007, 01:29 PM
In most cases, names changes can be made on any bookings outside of 75 days of departure. Withing 75 days of departure different rules apply.

I have always checked the name change fees before submitting a name change to Holland America. Many times it is cheaper to purchase the Holland America Line Standard CPP for the passenger that cannot travel.

Depending on the cabin category the standard CPP may be less expensive than the name change fees. Have your TA check with Holland America Line and if necessary ask to speak to a supervisor.