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JoKen1
March 10th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Dogs bark at the mailman because it works. Dogs bark to scare threats away. So, when the mailman comes and the dog barks and then the mailman leaves, the dog sees it as his victory - his barking scared the threatening mailman away! Works every time, too. ;)


That is so true. I never thought of it that way. Now if I could just train him to make sure the mailman never brought me any bills that would be great. :D

Thanks so much for you guys taking the time to answer my questions and to give me lessons on this great SDs.

I just wanted to say I was sorry for all the stupid people that give you owners with SD a hard time.

I really think people need to be taught more so they won't be so foolish in their remarks.

wizard-of-roz
March 10th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Jo: I agree with "foolish remarks" that are made by the public. They can sometimes hurt!!!!!

Take away the source of the obsession......you said that one dog takes his toys to a spot under a table/chair.....remove the table/chair and don't allow her/him to obsess over what's not there!

The mailman issue is also easy.....do a "set-up" several times a day, until the dog becomes desensitized to that, too. It could be the bag the mailman carries/the uniform/the keys dangling....whatever....with the mailman's help or someone dressed as the mailman coming and going several times a day and your using a "no/don't" command everytime he starts to bark....he'll get the idea.....it won't happen immediately but it will happen.

You may have to have a choke collar with a very short lead on it so that you may grab it and "pull it to the side", actually a "jerking" motion (remember dogs necks are very, very thick and it will take some pressure for him to feel the "jerk" and when he starts to bark us your calm/assertive voice "NO/DON'T OR STOP", I promise he will get the idea after a few days. You MUST be consistant!!!!!!!!!

Good luck!!!!

Valentine's Mom
March 10th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Very true!!!!! Sometimes, people see the puppy (and all their puppy charms) and give them that cutsy/little girly name....which has absolutely nothing to do with who they'll grow up to be.....If I were to name her now....She'd be "Magic!"

The name "Brenda" does engender a bit of a quiet/timid/maiden type.....HAH!!!!! I have the wild woman/bucking/bronco type!!!!!

Oh! Well! What's in a name?


And that's how my dog ended up being "Cutie Pie be my Valentine" It's even on her AKC papers! Oh well it still fits her!! LOL

Quampapetet
March 11th, 2008, 02:21 AM
And that's how my dog ended up being "Cutie Pie be my Valentine" It's even on her AKC papers! Oh well it still fits her!! LOL

Haha, what a name!! I love hearts and all, but even that name I would gag at if it were my dog's full name. ;) Guess I'm not as girly as you and/or whoever named her! :p

I named my dog, as her AKC papers weren't sent in 'til after I purchased her. I'm SOO glad, too, 'cause I hated the name her breeder was calling her!

pmfan
March 25th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Just moving this thread up so it doesn't get lost.;)

Quampapetet
April 2nd, 2008, 07:29 PM
Service Dog Free Eye Exam & Blood Wellness Profile

Hey, I just wanted to let y'all know about this in case you didn't know already. May 12 is ACVO National Service Dog Eye Exam day. All across the US and Canada they are giving free opthamologist eye exams to certified service dogs (as well as detection dogs and SAR dogs). (Non-certified dogs are not eligible.)

I don't know where y'all live, so don't know if there is a participating clinic near you, but you can check that out on the Web site for the event: http://www.acvoeyeexam.org . Also, dogs who get the eye exam can go to their regular vet in June for a blood wellness profile (including CBC) - the blood taking and lab work is at no cost.

They had a small trial run of this event in TN a few months back and a guide dog handler found out his guide dog had the beginning of a type of tumor in his eye. It wouldn't have been something an annual exam would have caught, but now it is getting treated and hopefully the dog will be able to continue guiding his human for many more years.

Pass this info. on to any other certified SD owners ya know. :)

wizard-of-roz
April 2nd, 2008, 07:59 PM
Thanks Quam for the good information.

I did register but unfortunately, the doctor's participating in the program are really far from where I live and work.

Quampapetet
April 3rd, 2008, 04:10 PM
That's too bad that they're too far away. :( I have at least two nearby ones here (I'm not sure where the other towns are - some might be within driving distance). I'm waiting for the one I called to make an app't yesterday call me back - they had no clue what the event was! :rolleyes:

wizard-of-roz
April 3rd, 2008, 04:24 PM
I am so looking forward to the day when we'll live closer to CCI, in Santa Rosa....Great place to live and an even greater way to be closer to good Vets/groomers/trainers/future service dogs, etc., etc.

While I'm still working, I want to be down here, in Southern CA. Once I retire, we'll make the move, up north.....

sunshine426
April 3rd, 2008, 07:53 PM
Thanks for keeping this thread active. I love to hear about service dogs and their travels. I am a volunteer handler for an orginization that breeds and trains service dogs. Similar to the one "Brenda" must have come from. I love it because I work with different dogs and different ages. Had a 6 month puppy for his first home visit yesterday. Such fun, even while we were working at the grocery store, hardware store etc.

Looking at what value these friends give to their recipeints makes it very easy to let them go. But I sure enjoy them while I have them. Please keep posting.

wizard-of-roz
April 4th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Sunshine: If I haven't said this to you before.....
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! For what you do to make sure that many, many folks have service dogs to make their lives more full and enriched! To allow them to walk through life with a companion that completes them!!!!

Your job is HUGE.....And, you are so appreciated for it!!!!!

scampi
April 4th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Jo: Wonderful questions....And, no one could take offense to the way in which you asked.

It would be rude to ask someone specifically what is wrong with them? But general questions like yours are very welcomed!

There are lots of different organizations that train dogs. Some are for the blind, some are for the hearing impared, some are for people who have specific health issues.

My organization of choice is CCI (Canine Companions for Independence), main office, in Santa Rosa, California 1-800-572-BARK...they have satellite offices all over the U.S.

CCI trains their dogs for Hearing/Service/Facility and Skilled Companions.
They have Hearing dogs available, right now!

CCI has breeding dogs who have passed rigorous health exams so that they may deliver the most healthy puppies to be raised by puppy raisers (people just like you, CCI needs Puppy Raisers), who dedicate themselves to fostering the female dog who delivers into the world; these amazing, wonderful puppies, who will go through one year of training.

Each puppy is identified with a blue tattoo in it's right ear, (done at about 6 weeks of age); then as the puppy grows, it goes to puppy training and is taken into public areas, wearing an identifiable vest saying "Puppy in Training", the puppy learns to socialize and get used to all sorts of sights/sounds/stores/restaurants/children and slowly becomes desensitized to everything in its environment.

The puppy is watched, closely, in classes as to its personality and character and what the trainers think that it may best be suited for. Is it hyper, does she/he have a very strong work ethic, is it very, very nosey (always looking and listening), is it very big and likes to pull a wagon/wheel chair, and so on!

You (the public), fills out an application for you specific need and then the wait begins. CCI receives the application (which asks many questions about you and your expections/life style and needs!

Once you are accepted and CCI thinks that you would benefit from one of their dogs...the interviews begin. First, by phone, then in person (you will go to Santa Rosa and to the most beautiful facililty, you will encounter for dogs), then you are asked to walk/talk and demonstrate how you are, in general with dogs. CCI (several trainers) observe you and gets to see who you are. You will get to tour their campus and you will fall in love with it all.....I promise!

Then, the letters start coming and the final phone call (it took me 2 1/2 years to get Brenda), now, the waiting is not so long......

Once your accepted, CCI will have a dog for you and a successor dog, when yours retires. It's a lifetime of wonderfulness!!!!!!!

You will live at CCI for two weeks, while you learn dog behaviour/skills/training techniques/grooming and everything you could ever know about dogs. You will work with several dogs (but, by this time CCI knows which of the available dogs is really best for you), they just want to see that the "fit" and "match" is as perfect as it can be. Mine was so spot on......Brenda was born for me!!!!!!

You will have a graduation, at the end of two weeks. Your dog will be taken away from you and given to the puppy raisers to spend some time with. And then, it's very emotional for all concerned. The puppy raisers will hand your dog to you, in front of hundreds of people and tons of tears. And, then she/he is offically yours! I get chills just remembering the moment! The puppy raiser will give you an album of pictures showing you your dog from the time she/he started the program! So cute!!!!!

You will get a license that admits you into every public venue that exists. You will receive a vest/leash/collar and i.d. tags. The cost is $100 (total), if you can't afford it...they will offer you a scholarship. The value of your dog is approx. $35,000.00.....how's that for a great deal!!!!!!!

You are NEVER alone with CCI; there are follow-up classes and retreats, every year and there's re-certification every 1 to 3 years. And they are always just a phone call away! They want you to be successful and fulfilled!

I'm sorry this was so wordy....but, honestly, I could write pages about the experience and what it has meant to me..and, my family!!!!!! :)

If there's ANYTHING that you want clarification of....ask away!!!!!

Roz

I just got off the phone with Carnival Guest Access Services. They told me that my grandson who is Autistic may not have his CCI (Canine Companions for Independence) service dog on any Carnival cruise,something to the effect that only service animals for the blind are allowed. I asked for them to send me that policy in writing. I want to thank you for all the information you have been giving us on the various cruiselines. I wish I had read it before we picked Carnival for a family cruise. I'm finding it hard to believe that her information was true.

wizard-of-roz
April 4th, 2008, 03:38 PM
She is WRONG, WRONG,WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got off the Carnival Pride and I've been on 3 other Carnival ships with Brenda. I AM NOT BLIND!!!!!!!

Your son is entitled to have his dog with him and they must allow the dog. You have the license/you have the vest.....You will need recent immunizations from your vet.

And, more importantly, you're leaving from a USA Port which must follow the ADA (American's with Disability Act) Access Laws. If the public is welcome on the ship, so is your service dog!!!!!!

I don't know where you're cruising to.........It doesn't matter!!!!! Just make sure that you have all the documentation that the country or Island that your going to. Hawaii requires a Rabies Titer (blood test) just prior to cruising. Mexico & the Caribbean require an Agricultural Inspection Form be completed by your vet......No problem!

Brenda has been welcomed on: Carnival; Princess; NCL and Holland America. You may use my name: Rosalyn Silberschein and remind them that I have NEVER been told that I can not board a ship with a dog who is not a "seeing eye dog!" EVER!!!!!!

Tell them that I have cruised with Brenda 12 times since 2004.

You take your son/his dog and have a wonderful cruise!!!!!!

scampi
April 4th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Thank you. I knew the information was totally wrong & that's why I asked them to e-mail me Carnival's written policy on that subject. I also was pretty ticked!!! This was Carnival's Access Services Dept. out of Florida. It bothered me because they would be giving that same incorrect information to others. Our daughter in-law, our grandson's mom, also said it was illegal for them to ask me to describe her son's diasability & why he needed a service dog.

Quampapetet
April 5th, 2008, 02:47 AM
Did you only call that once? Or did you try multiple times? With cruiselines, you never get the same answer twice.

As long as your son's dog is individually trained to do work (i.e. guide or mobility work) or perform tasks (i.e. retrieves or alerts) that mitigate his disability, the dog is allowed anywhere your son is allowed on the ship (except the pools/waterslides and such, of course).

Keep us informed on what happens!

Oh - and it is illegal for them to ask what your son's disability is, but it isn't illegal for them to ask what tasks the dog does for him or if he is disabled (yes or no) or if the dog is a service dog (yes or no).

wizard-of-roz
April 7th, 2008, 01:34 PM
Scampi: Will you please let us ALL know what happens with your cruise plans.

It's not always easy to go into strange places with our service dogs however, that being said, it's still YOUR RIGHT to go!

Story: I was in JC Penney shopping and one of the sales people looked at me and my SD with such a glare and then said, "you know, pets are not allowed in our store!" I wanted to jump down her throat....I simply said, "may I please see your manager!" It didn't take long for EVERYONE to "back peddle!" I requested an apology, got it! And, now when I go into that store....I get nothing but smiles from all the sales people!

I simply suggested to the manager that all his sales people be apprised of the ADA and access laws for these animals. I also reminded him that if a ligitimate SD is refused entrance to a public place that there is a wonderful attorney, with CCI, who will represent us, at not cost, and who will get us $10,000 from the establishment and it usually winds-up in the news. I told him that these law suits are always won on behalf of the SD!

If you want, you can contact the attorney at CCI, I'm sure he'd love to take on Carnival Cruise Lines! Wow! They certainly wouldn't want this negative advertising......Not in this economy!

wizard-of-roz
April 7th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Scampi: Will you please let us ALL know what happens with your cruise plans.

It's not always easy to go into strange places with our service dogs however, that being said, it's still YOUR RIGHT to go!

Story: I was in JC Penney shopping and one of the sales people looked at me and my SD with such a glare and then said, "you know, pets are not allowed in our store!" I wanted to jump down her throat....I simply said, "may I please see your manager!" It didn't take long for EVERYONE to "back peddle!" I requested an apology, got it! And, now when I go into that store....I get nothing but smiles from all the sales people!

I simply suggested to the manager that all his sales people be apprised of the ADA and access laws for these animals. I also reminded him that if a ligitimate SD is refused entrance to a public place that there is a wonderful attorney, with CCI, who will represent us, at not cost, and who will get us $10,000 from the establishment and it usually winds-up in the news. I told him that these law suits are always won on behalf of the SD!

If you want, you can contact the attorney at CCI, I'm sure he'd love to take on Carnival Cruise Lines! Wow! They certainly wouldn't want this negative advertising......Not in this economy!

Valentine's Mom
April 7th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Several years ago I had the same experience after I had been cruising with them four or five times already with service dog twice. I called to book a new cruise and was told that only seeing eye dogs were permitted. Just call back because your son's dog can't be denied. Unfortunately you got one of the morons who are there just to book average cruises. They know nothing. I'm sure if you call back you will get a totally different story. Then may I refer you to their guest relations department to whom you should complain that they should educate the people who book cruises. Just know your rights and state them loudly. It has taken me several years to learn this myself. My service dog is a small Japanese Chin and is an neuro alert dog. Being so small you can imagine the grief that I get sometimes. I can now state those laws quite loudly if need be. Roz I get something everytime I go to the mall. I always wonder how many service dogs they see a day that they don't remember her. :rolleyes:

wizard-of-roz
April 8th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Valentines Mom: They don't!!!!! Service Dogs are very rare, in our society! Isn't that amazing!!!!!!

I will come upon a person in a wheelchair, who is struggling with a door; or having a hard time picking up something off the floor and (well, you guys know me pretty well, by now), I always approach them and ask them why they don't have a service dog to assist them? The stock answer is, "because they're too much work!"

Ladies and gentleman, I am here to tell you that the work it takes to keep and maintain a Service Dog is much less than the struggle that the man in the wheelchair was going through on his visit to the mall!!!!

And, what you will get in return is unbelievable!!!!!!!

I am a very "foo-foo" kind of gal....you all know the type; makeup, hairdo, french-tip nails and designer clothes.....And, I wouldn't change anything about my life with my black lab and all her fur and ear wax!!!!!! (Labs are notorious for ear problems!) I clean them everyday; I brush her teeth; collect her hair from my chairs, tables and dishes!

I ADORE THIS DOG AND THANK HER, EVERYDAY FOR ALL THAT SHE DOES!!!!

sunshine426
April 8th, 2008, 04:57 PM
Sunshine: If I haven't said this to you before.....
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! For what you do to make sure that many, many folks have service dogs to make their lives more full and enriched! To allow them to walk through life with a companion that completes them!!!!

Your job is HUGE.....And, you are so appreciated for it!!!!!


No thanks are needed. I only share because it is a different path with a service dog that I have. Right now I have a six month old black lab-golden mix sleeping next to me. We had a great trip to home depot, a walk around the lake at heel(which took lot's of treats and motivation), she stayed with me while I unloaded the dishwasher, and is doing great with "Leave It's. I only met her this morning, and will return her tomorow. She is going to make a great best friend for someone some day. Maybe she will even go on a cruise or two!!!

scampi
April 13th, 2008, 02:00 AM
Scampi: Will you please let us ALL know what happens with your cruise plans.

It's not always easy to go into strange places with our service dogs however, that being said, it's still YOUR RIGHT to go!...

If you want, you can contact the attorney at CCI, I'm sure he'd love to take on Carnival Cruise Lines! Wow! They certainly wouldn't want this negative advertising......Not in this economy!

Sorry, here's a follow-up. Katie is our grandson's service dog. Our large family cruise is in 2010. I'm the group leader and I initially was calling about a family member with another access need. During the conversation I brought up the information that there was a possibility that our grandson might bring his service dog and I wanted to know about the arrangements they had for service animals. That's when the person went off on "only seeing eye dogs" were allowed. She even spoke to her supervisor who agreed with her. I was very angry and asked for them to send me the written policy. Of course it never arrived. Our grandson's mom, our DIL, had pretty much decided that Katie would have a vacation at the CCI facility in San Diego while we are on the Carnival Spirit out of that port. San Diego is where they went through their initial training with Canine Companions for Independence almost two years ago and where they have follow-up training. They have a lot of time to make a decision about whether our grandson's service dog comes on the ship or not. Their main concern is mostly not exposing Katie to the ports in Mexico where there is a lack of a leash law. Wizard of Roz, I gave my DIL a copy of your summaries of the arrangements they make for service animals on various cruise lines. She sure appreciated it. Don't worry about the outcome. Our DIL, an attorney, in a different field of law, has used attorneys in the past to obtain the appropriate programs that our grandson required. I'm sure she will follow up on this.

Quampapetet
April 14th, 2008, 01:50 AM
I do hope your grandson's SD gets to go on the cruise so he can have use of the tasks she does for him while he's on vacation (a time one may need them even more than they usually do because they are doing more and different things than usual and in different/not neccessarily accessible places).

I wouldn't be too worried about the Mexico ports, especially if you're going on excursions so won't be walking around the streets or whatnot. (We went to a pay-for beach.) I came across one loose dog at our Mexico port (Cozumel) and that was when we were a few feet away from the ramp that leads back into the passenger- and salesmen-only port area where the ship is (they check for your cruise card). The dog barked, but didn't growl or lunge, and a Mexican man standing nearby kept the dog away from us. I also came across a barking loose dog that was more of a bother to my service dog the day before when we were at port in Key West, Florida, US. (The dog didn't attack, but did come up to her, sniffing her butt and such. And nobody nearby offered any kind of help to keep the dog from us.) So, it can happen anywhere!

selma
April 14th, 2008, 06:57 AM
What are the experiences of al of you cruising with an SD in the eastern caribbean?

Quampapetet
April 15th, 2008, 01:36 AM
What are the experiences of al of you cruising with an SD in the eastern caribbean?

Could you be more specific as to what you're looking for? Access to certain countries? Access within certain countries? SDs on the ship? :)

I cruised to the western Caribbean, but go to the Bahamas every year. The Bahamas is pretty easy to enter with an SD (they don't charge you the import permit fee, either). They do not have public access laws, but I haven't had a problem going anywhere there, including restaurants, after explaining what SDs are and do. You've gotta have an impeccably-behaved and -trained SD and follow typical SD handler etiquette, though, so you don't ruin access for others who come behind you (like myself)! ;)

selma
April 15th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Oh, I wouldn't mind any information about anything. ;)

I'll be doing the disney eastern intinerary so that would be St. Maarten, St Thomas and Castaway Cay. I'll be ok entering St. Maarten as I'm dutch. We can enter our homeland without having to arrange anything for the SD other than having the standard papers with you. As I understand it from Disney, Castaway Cay isn't a problem neither. I'm assuming since St. John is American Virgin Islands, they'll have the same regulations as when I enter the US mainland with my SD, right?

Most of all I'm looking for the practical tips, do's and don'ts. I'm new to all of this. I'm getting my SD one of these days soon but so far nil experience with a SD, let alone cruising solo with a SD. The cruise wont be untill 2009 and hopefully the SD will be here soon enough (should be) to come along with our family on our trip to the US this year. That would give me at least some experience in flying and doing 'normal' travel with the SD before doing the cruise.

For instance; what way do others make sure there is enough dogfood on the cruise? Drag along a suitcase full of it? ;) Do the supplies needed for the dog also count as 'medical equipement' (as in free of charge) on the american airlines? How do you pick out excursions when you're travelling solo with a SD? What are great and perhaps not so good places to explore ashore?

I'm not very worried about things not going great. We'll be fine! I'm just looking for some very practical information.


The behaviour-part of it all should be covered. :) Our system is a bit different than that of the US SD's. For a dog to officially become an SD they have to fit a very clear set of rules and each dog has to have had their education within or counceled by a dogschool. The dogschool I use starts socialising the dogs at about 8 weeks old and training goes on untill about 20/22 months of age. They also keep doing follow ups after matching and training the team so there really is no room for less than impeccable behaviour from neither dog nor person. And rightfully so.

Beeper16
April 15th, 2008, 08:14 PM
I have a cruise booked May 17 and am having problems with the paper work. We are going to Tortola and they have requirements. I have gone to the Vets and gotten all his information but then I need to get this information to the US Dept of Agriculture for a seal. I was told that there is one is Hartford Connecticut (we are in new haven). The form is called a APHIS #7001

Today I called the Dept in Hartford and then asked if I needed a state signature or Federal signature. I told them I don't know. They said probably a Federal signature and he doesn't come except on Tuesday and Friday. I cannot get a ride on Friday and time is getting short as I need this paper work sent at least 3 weeks before the cruise (Which is around May 1).

Anyone have any ideas of how to get this done expeditiously so I can meet the time frame. I am being told that without the proper paperwork, Tortola won't let the boat dock.

HELP (please).

Thanks.

Quampapetet
April 17th, 2008, 02:22 AM
I'll be doing the disney eastern intinerary so that would be St. Maarten, St Thomas and Castaway Cay. I'll be ok entering St. Maarten as I'm dutch. We can enter our homeland without having to arrange anything for the SD other than having the standard papers with you. As I understand it from Disney, Castaway Cay isn't a problem neither. I'm assuming since St. John is American Virgin Islands, they'll have the same regulations as when I enter the US mainland with my SD, right?

Never assume anything about any of the regulations. You need to find out for sure what all the regulations are for each country. Some countries list this on their Web sites, others you will have to call up. (You could try calling that country's embassy in your country first if you'd prefer not to make an international call unless absolutely neccessary. I don't know if they will for sure know the info. or be willing to get it for you, but it couldn't hurt to try.)

I haven't been to any of those places, so I don't know the requirements for entry into them.

Most of all I'm looking for the practical tips, do's and don'ts. I'm new to all of this. I'm getting my SD one of these days soon but so far nil experience with a SD, let alone cruising solo with a SD. The cruise wont be untill 2009 and hopefully the SD will be here soon enough (should be) to come along with our family on our trip to the US this year. That would give me at least some experience in flying and doing 'normal' travel with the SD before doing the cruise.

Congratulations (soon)! Do let us know when you get your SD and tell us all about him/her! :D I do hope you get him before your land trip, as that will give you experience that will be good for you before the cruise.

For instance; what way do others make sure there is enough dogfood on the cruise? Drag along a suitcase full of it? ;)

For any trip (land or cruise), except long trips to our summer house (we drive ourselves there), I put one meal (serving) of dried food in a sandwich-sized Ziploc bag. I roll all the air out of it (makes it take up much less space in luggage and also prevents something sharp from popping the bag like a balloon, sending food everywhere) and seal it. Since my dog has a half can of canned food for breakfast, I bring enough cans for our trip as well as a silicone doggy canned food spoon I found in a pet store one day (it is great for travelling!). She gets the dried food for dinner, so I bring enough filled Ziploc bags for the length of our trip. For flying on planes, I put one can and one filled Ziploc of food in my carry-on, just in case the checked luggage gets lost/delayed. (That is a day and a half worth of food.)

I pack my dog's supplements separately - for the Welactin (salmon oil) and Dasuquin (for joint prevention), I just bring the original containers. Since the container for Nupro is the hugest thing EVER, I put a bit more than what we need for the trip in a tupperware-type container. (It is a great product - by Oxo brand and it seals the container air-tight when you press the big button on top to seal the cap on. Then, just push the button again and it opens up! I found it at Bed, Bath, & Beyond but have seen it online in a catalog since then, as well. It is a kitchen product.) Oh - and I make sure to put the Welactin bottle inside a sealed gallon-sized Ziploc bag (with the excess air rolled out) to make sure it doesn't spill FISH all over the suitcase!! :eek: (Even though the suitcase is just for my dog's stuff, ya still don't want it to spill!)

Do the supplies needed for the dog also count as 'medical equipement' (as in free of charge) on the american airlines?

Yes, but check to make sure the airline you are flying on doesn't count medical equipment in checked luggage (it isn't required that they do this - it is only required that they not count medical equipment as carry-on bags). The airlines I fly have a two checked bag per person limit and I almost always only have one checked suitcase for myself, so just put my dog's bag as my second one in the limit since I don't really have a reason to declare it a medical bag. On my cruise trip I did need a third bag for items I needed but couldn't get on a ship, so I did have to declare one of the bags as being medical. (Really, the extra bag [little duffel] was also a medical bag, as was my SD's bag, but I only needed to declare one since I just had three bags.)

How do you pick out excursions when you're travelling solo with a SD? What are great and perhaps not so good places to explore ashore?

First, I check out what access laws, if any, the country I'm visiting has. If they don't have access laws for SDs or said laws don't apply to my type of disability (i.e. Mexico only has laws for guide dogs, not mobility dogs), I e-mail with the excursion beforehand to explain to them what SDs are and how I need mine with me (including listing some of the tasks she does, like mobility - I don't tell them my disabilities, however). You could also call them, of course, but I prefer e-mail. When I go to the Bahamas, the place we stay has SD access built into its bylaws, so access isn't a problem for us when we're anywhere on the resort's property. Once we go into town, there is nothing protecting us, but we haven't had any access denials - we just explain what SDs are and everything. Ppl there are usually nice and understanding.

Of course, when choosing excursions, you want to choose ones that are safe for the dog (no hang-gliding! LOL!!) as well as safe for yourself. (That reminds me of a joke: Why don't blind ppl skydive? It scares the dog! :p )

I'm not very worried about things not going great. We'll be fine! I'm just looking for some very practical information.

I think you'll feel more settled once you get used to the SD lifestyle and get into the groove of having your furry helper go everywhere you go.


The behaviour-part of it all should be covered. :) Our system is a bit different than that of the US SD's. For a dog to officially become an SD they have to fit a very clear set of rules and each dog has to have had their education within or counceled by a dogschool. The dogschool I use starts socialising the dogs at about 8 weeks old and training goes on untill about 20/22 months of age. They also keep doing follow ups after matching and training the team so there really is no room for less than impeccable behaviour from neither dog nor person. And rightfully so.


That is cool. Most of the programs and trainers here do recertification every year or every other year, but ppl are also allowed to train their own SDs.

There is another thread about SDs on this board where I listed some tips for flying with an SD (i.e. not to feed or water it before the flight, offer it some ice cubes, etc.).

If you have other questions, ask away! I love talking about SDs. :)

Quampapetet
April 17th, 2008, 02:30 AM
Today I called the Dept in Hartford and then asked if I needed a state signature or Federal signature. I told them I don't know. They said probably a Federal signature and he doesn't come except on Tuesday and Friday.

Call Tortola and ask what type you need! Make sure you get the kind they are looking for!!

Anyone have any ideas of how to get this done expeditiously so I can meet the time frame. I am being told that without the proper paperwork, Tortola won't let the boat dock.

I don't know, as I haven't been anywhere that I need to get such a signature on the certificate, but I do know it is important to follow the country's rules. Get a taxi or take a bus if need be. Call a local church or Lions Club-type place for help if you need to. If the boat can't dock without the paperwork, the cruiseline probably won't let you on board without the paperwork - they're not going to want one person make the whole ship miss a port.

It is important to check the regulations many months before your trip so you can be well-prepared with appointments, rides, etc. on the dates you need them. I always schedule my SD's vet appointments for health certificates months in advance of our trip so I am sure to get an app't with the right kind of doctor (not all of them can sign the certificate - only two of them at our clinic can) on the right day.

Let us know how it turns out!

pmfan
April 20th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Hey everyone...over on the "Ask a question" boards I have a poll going on about cruising with a service dog. Come on over and take the poll, also read what your fellow cruise critics have to say on the subject. You can even click on the button to see how everyone voted! here's the link http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=75982

pmfan
April 20th, 2008, 06:16 PM
If you are the owner of "Brenda" you may want to check out the link I posted.

sunsurf
April 20th, 2008, 09:45 PM
If you are the owner of "Brenda" you may want to check out the link I posted.


The link in incorrect. You may want to try and post it again.

pmfan
April 20th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Sorry the link somehow is the wrong one. Not sure how that happened. Try this one instead. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=759827

pmfan
April 20th, 2008, 11:01 PM
The thread has been pulled.:(

wizard-of-roz
April 22nd, 2008, 06:45 PM
pmfan: The link was pulled! What about Brenda?

For most foreign ports, other than Europe and Hawaii; the Agricultural Inspection Form and the below docs. (I mention) are all that is needed to board and go ashore, in all foreign ports! Make sure that you have at least 2 copies of these papers. Keep one in the safe and one on you. The purser will make a copy from yours. I checked with Immigration, while in Puerto Vallarta and although some agents/officers may be more aggressive than others, if you have all your documentation in order:

1. Ag. Insp. Form (this form has all the necessary information about the dogs immunizations and must be signed by the vet.)
2. Dogs city license (this carries a lot of weight with immigration.) Where I live, my city requires that ALL dogs have a city license. Service Dogs are not charged but they are licensed by the city.
3. Service Dog Certification/license. The organization that trained my dog distributes a license (1-3 years) depending on dogs age/responsiveness, etc....
4. Copy of your Passport
For Europe, you will need Tick/Echinococcus treatment within 24-48 hours prior to travel (given by a vet)...the later test is for tapeworm. All of this is recorded on the EU Certificate, along with the Ag.Insp.Form.
For Hawaii, you will need a Rabies Titer test to be done with 3 months of travel. They may request that the blood be drawn again a few days before.....

We only use dry kibble (Eukanuba) and put her glucosamine/con. right into each individual serving. I measure out each meal (she eats twice a day) and pill, place it into a zip-lock and put it all into a special bag; which is placed into the suitcase, with her "chewies", toys, brush, ear/eye swabs and emergency antibiotic for her ears (just in case!) I DO NOT bring her salmon oil along, when we are doing a 7 day cruise. On longer cruises, I do bring it. It's less to pack and if she misses a week, it's no big deal! If she misses longer than that, her coat starts to get dry and she starts exhibiting more dander!

On our last cruise (one week ago) aboard the Oosterdam, the "potty box" was placed directly on our veranda. How easy was that? I picked up her pooh, after each time and placed the closed bag beside the box. We went to lunch. When we returned the room was cleaned and her pooh was removed.

HAL supplied sod for the box. The box was 4x3 (a bit smaller than the usual) but she worked it!!!

Something to be aware of....when you're going to the shows, the room can be quite dark and if your dog is also dark....be careful of he/she being stepped on!!!!! Try to place yourself in a place away from the publics feet!!!!

pmfan
April 22nd, 2008, 10:12 PM
They were saying things about "Brenda" and even posted a photo of her sitting in a chair in one of the lounges. The photo was of a black lab with a red bandana and I believe the leash may have been red also.

They said she was even eating off the cocktail table! That they were told she was not a "real" service dog. I so wish you could have defended her.:( They were very insistant and posted several times about her. None of which were favorable I'm sad to say.

Quampapetet
April 23rd, 2008, 02:47 AM
Why was the thread pulled? I would have liked to have read what ppl had to say about having an SD onboard.

Were any other experiences mentioned (besides the ppl with a "Brenda" dog that I'm hoping is a different one from Roz's dog)?

Did anybody say anything GOOD about SDs?

wizard-of-roz
April 23rd, 2008, 01:22 PM
pmfan: They're morons! My service dog would NEVER eat off of a table ever!!!!! As a matter of fact many people commented that they had no idea that she was even in the room because she lays so quietly under or beside the table, while we are eating. If we're in a public venue, she is respectful/calm/quiet and NEVER EATING!!!!!!! I don't even like it when she licks or sniffs in public. SHOW ME PICTURES OF HER EATING OFF OF A TABLE! I, sometimes, will give her a treat, when we leave the dining room but always outside of the eating area!!!!!!

And, the fact that the thread was pulled is pure evidence of the nonsense that was pervericated by these folks who either don't like dogs or are insensed at the sight of one on a cruise ship. They have no clue as to what services, these amazing dogs, may perform!!!!!!! And what is required of them, at certain times! If she were on a chair it's because she was asked to be there by me or my DH! As to why, is none of their business!!!

We had people on the elevator who asked that we leave because they wouldn't take the elevator with a dog! We had people who accused me of allowing her to bark and disturbing them, in their cabins.....NONSENSE!!!!!!! She would NEVER bark, she has been trained to not use her bark!! For what she does, it serves no purpose!!!!!

Some people (in the general public, who do NOT LIKE DOGS) have no patience or concerns for a service dog. Thank God they are few and far between.....However, that being said, these same people have made it very difficult for those of us who travel with an SD to get public access.....I'll continue to fight them tooth and nail!!!!! THEY WILL NOT WIN!!!!!!! We will! And, we'll be EVERYWHERE, we have the rights to be in the public venue and we will!!!!!

My service dog ALWAYS acts with respect for others; adults/children and other animals and if she were on anything other than the floor....she was performing a service.....NONE OF WHICH, AS I STATED BEFORE, IS ANYONE'S BUSINESS!!!

It is important that our SD's set an example for ALL others that will follow and especially with public service providers such as airlines/cruise ships/trains/bus's, etc. And, to always be resepectful while in public. Of which, Brenda ALWAYS IS!!!!

We don't usually run into, what I would call, the "impossible to please with an animal attached" crowd. But, ask anyone who walks with an SD and they'll tell you many stories of the general public and the reactions of some, when they observe an animal in "their space!"

It's the very reason some folks who could really use the assistance of an SD don't have one! They're fearful of being judged by the public!!!!!!!

It's a tough battle for us and our dogs....it always will be!!!!!!

I will sail that ship, ride that bus or train and fly in that airplane....I'll do it today/tomorrow and always with a beautiful, hard working, respectful SERVICE DOG!!!!!!!!

sunshine426
April 23rd, 2008, 08:07 PM
[quote=wizard-of-roz;14380462]pmfan: They're morons! My service dog would NEVER eat off of a table ever!!!!! As a matter of fact many people commented that they had no idea that she was even in the room because she lays so quietly under or beside the table, while we are eating. If we're in a public venue, she is respectful/calm/quiet and NEVER EATING!!!!!!! I don't even like it when she licks or sniffs in public. SHOW ME PICTURES OF HER EATING OFF OF A TABLE! I, sometimes, will give her a treat, when we leave the dining room but always outside of the eating area!!!!!!

And, the fact that the thread was pulled is pure evidence of the nonsense that was pervericated by these folks who either don't like dogs or are insensed at the sight of one on a cruise ship. They have no clue as to what services, these amazing dogs, may perform!!!!!!! And what is required of them, at certain times! If she were on a chair it's because she was asked to be there by me or my DH! As to why, is none of their business!!!

We had people on the elevator who asked that we leave because they wouldn't take the elevator with a dog! We had people who accused me of allowing her to bark and disturbing them, in their cabins.....NONSENSE!!!!!!! She would NEVER bark, she has been trained to not use her bark!! For what she does, it serves no purpose!!!!!

Some people (in the general public, who do NOT LIKE DOGS) have no patience or concerns for a service dog. Thank God they are few and far between.....However, that being said, these same people have made it very difficult for those of us who travel with an SD to get public access.....I'll continue to fight them tooth and nail!!!!! THEY WILL NOT WIN!!!!!!! We will! And, we'll be EVERYWHERE, we have the rights to be in the public venue and we will!!!!!

My service dog ALWAYS acts with respect for others; adults/children and other animals and if she were on anything other than the floor....she was performing a service.....NONE OF WHICH, AS I STATED BEFORE, IS ANYONE'S BUSINESS!!!

It is important that our SD's set an example for ALL others that will follow and especially with public service providers such as airlines/cruise ships/trains/bus's, etc. And, to always be resepectful while in public. Of which, Brenda ALWAYS IS!!!!

We don't usually run into, what I would call, the "impossible to please with an animal attached" crowd. But, ask anyone who walks with an SD and they'll tell you many stories of the general public and the reactions of some, when they observe an animal in "their space!"

It's the very reason some folks who could really use the assistance of an SD don't have one! They're fearful of being judged by the public!!!!!!!

It's a tough battle for us and our dogs....it always will be!!!!!!

I will sail that ship, ride that bus or train and fly in that airplane....I'll do it today/tomorrow and always with a beautiful, hard working, respectful SERVICE DOG!!!!!!!![/quote
Roz, well said! Thanks for standing up for service dogs and their recipients!!

wizard-of-roz
April 24th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Sunshine: You are so welcome!!!!!! I love, with all my soul; this dog who, without judgement, malice, anger or resentment will ALWAYS be "there" for me and others!

To ALL who walk or wheel through their lives with a service animal; YOU are the lucky ones!!!!!!!

pmfan
April 25th, 2008, 01:05 AM
Why was the thread pulled? I would have liked to have read what ppl had to say about having an SD onboard.

Were any other experiences mentioned (besides the ppl with a "Brenda" dog that I'm hoping is a different one from Roz's dog)?

Did anybody say anything GOOD about SDs?
Yes there were many who had good things to say. One poster was on a cruise with about 40 dogs and had nothing but positive to say. There were two other posters, both of which felt the SD they saw was not well groomed/taken care of but that was it.
Then there were the few that kept coming back to, it's the law our opinion does not count why are you asking. I kept assuring them that their opinion did matter to me, which is why I posted the poll. I knew what the law says but that I wanted to hear what they had to say. Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily mean you agree with it. I truely wanted to know how others felt about SD on cruiseships.
The last I checked the poll it was 190+ in favor of SD on cruiseships and 5 against. Two of the guys that posted against came back to comment on their vote after they found out it was a public poll and others could see how you voted. I feel it was one of these posters that made sure the thread got pulled. His comments did not make him look very intelligent.

Quampapetet
April 25th, 2008, 03:38 AM
Interesting, thanks for the info., pmfan. I'm glad that most responses were positive. Were the two ppl who said they saw an unkempt SD on the same cruise or two different cruises? (I'm trying to get a feeling of what's out there - if ppl are faking their pets for cruises like they do for the airlines or, if they are real SDs, how many go cruising.)

Roz, the only ppl I run into are the ones who fawn over my SD. I can only remember one instance of a general public person not wanting my dog around (said she was allergic). A few times we've gotten business employees who have issues (two ppl who didn't like dogs [one at Wal-Mart, no surprise there] and the few airline/airport employees who think everybody is faking), but that's it, including when we travel. Most ppl ask too many questions, ask if they can pet, do a drive-by petting (grr!), tell me how cute my dog is (as if I didn't already know?!?! LOL!!!!), or comment to their friends (my favorite ppl 'cause they don't interrupt what I'm trying to do!). Stuff like that.

wizard-of-roz
April 25th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Quam: Why would you want to hear the negative comments that people make? I and Brenda work best on positive reinforcement and I encourage everyone else, who walks with an SD, to do the same!!!!!!

It's always good to have all the information, in order to make an informed decision about what's best for all concerned.....but, I don't believe that's how this got started....nor do I believe that people who ask "negative" questions or encourage such behavior are truly well meaning!!!!!

pmfam: I'm curious....Just what was the reason for you to stir the pot? :confused:

Quam: 99% of anyone I run into on a cruise ship or anywhere else are adoring; want to touch her; asking a lot of questions; or, will physically lay on the floor next to her, just to get close to her!

She smells good; you could eat off of her fur; she's very, very pleasant to be around; and, quite frankly, I don't blame them!

It's the 1% of the population who are disturbing in their attitude and in their demeanor!!!!

Again, would you say that I'm sensitive to this issue? Damn straight I am!!!!!! ;)

Do I avoid the folks who give me "dirty" looks?
Do I hide from folks who don't like dogs?
Do I speak to folks who make negative comments?
Do I avoid folks who don't like the way in which Brenda must work?
HELL NO!
Will I continue to be everywhere and anywhere I can with my SD?
Will I be gentle and loving and explain to folks who show they care?
Will I allow people to "Pat" Brenda, after they've asked?
Will I defend, to my dying day, Brenda and every other service dog, who is acting appropriately but may not be pleasing the public......
HELL YES!

pmfan
April 25th, 2008, 01:37 PM
If you read my past posts you will see I truely want others opinions. {Why is that so hard to understand?} Maybe they will make a point I never thought of. Maybe I can learn something. That is why I am on these boards. I do not have all the answers to life. I appreciate others input. I have been reading and posting on this thread for sometime. More reading than posting. I have learned many things about traveling with a SD. Thank you all for your opinions and your experiences with your SD.

Quampapetet I will be more than happy to answer any questions. To share experiences. If interested let me know how to contact.

wizard-of-roz
April 25th, 2008, 02:13 PM
pm: Do you have a service dog? :confused:

wizard-of-roz
April 25th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Well, a dear friend has just informed me that I am coming across a bit "strong" and maybe not as "positvely spirited" as I am!!!!!

Certainly, I do not intend to hurt anyone's feelings nor were my intentions to "knock" anyone down!

I can get very "heated" when it comes to protecting and defending service dogs and their leaders.

I beg for your forgiveness if I have in any way "pushed" too hard!!!!!!!

pmfan
April 25th, 2008, 05:02 PM
pm: Do you have a service dog? :confused:
Your answer is in the photo. Cruised 5 times with RC.

wizard-of-roz
April 25th, 2008, 05:36 PM
pm: Your lovely dog has blended in with the staircase....I didn't see him/her. Brenda blends into anything that is dark...Sometimes all we can see, in pictures, are the whites of her eyes!!!!

You are very seasoned with RCCL. That's great!!!!

Quampapetet
April 26th, 2008, 03:27 AM
Quam: Why would you want to hear the negative comments that people make? I and Brenda work best on positive reinforcement and I encourage everyone else, who walks with an SD, to do the same!!!!!!

It's always good to have all the information, in order to make an informed decision about what's best for all concerned.....but, I don't believe that's how this got started....nor do I believe that people who ask "negative" questions or encourage such behavior are truly well meaning!!!!!

I want to know the negative comments because they might be comments of the misinformed (i.e. they think an SD shouldn't do x, y, or z but the SD in question was doing a task or was doing something an SD should be doing - or they think a person rude for asking them to stop petting their dog when they didn't ask for permission). They might be something that is wrong that should be fixed in a team. They might be signs that somebody snuck a pet onto the ship (or a business on land or an airplane). They might just be dog-haters (or have a religious or cultural bias against dogs) and no answer will satisfy them.

But it is always good to know what you're "up against", so to speak. If you don't know, how can you educate? When you do know, you know what kinds of things you need to say and how to approach it.



Quam: 99% of anyone I run into on a cruise ship or anywhere else are adoring; want to touch her; asking a lot of questions; or, will physically lay on the floor next to her, just to get close to her!

She smells good; you could eat off of her fur; she's very, very pleasant to be around; and, quite frankly, I don't blame them!

It's the 1% of the population who are disturbing in their attitude and in their demeanor!!!!

I'll have to turn down the offer to eat off her fur ;) but I'm sure she is just fine if you say she is. Nobody here in this thread is trying to say your dog is horrible or not a real SD. The one person in the deleted thread either was talking about a different dog or they were a troll - somebody posting with the only purpose of making somebody (or a group of people) irate. Please don't let it continue to get to you. :)

wizard-of-roz
April 28th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Thanks Quam (you're a wonderful calming force)......Actually, since I've been through so many travel experiences with Brenda and in so many venues and, I've had to show her documentation to get on all of them....I must say, if someone gets their "pet" into or onto one of these, they've got to have smuggled them in. And, then once found out, they are put OFF at the next stop!

I actually saw a woman being asked to leave a train, on the way to San Francisco. She had a small Maltese in a carry-on bag. The conductor said she's on her own to finding a way back or forward. I was very concerned for her....she was no youngster and really didn't have the energy to drive on her own!!!!

Is it really worth the chance you may take to "steal" your pets onboard any venue! A ship has the right to put you "off" at any port!!!!!! And, the airlines can leave you stranded at any terminal....NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!

I'm sorry if I seemed a bit "miffed", it comes with the territory!

Quampapetet
April 29th, 2008, 01:42 AM
The sad thing is, too many ppl don't get caught trying to pass their pet or show dog pet off as a service dog when flying. Then the real service dog folks are the ones who face the problems because of whatever happened with the pets when they were onboard.

I am pretty sure I read at least one place about somebody who snuck their pet dog on a cruise by saying it was a service dog - it might've been elsewhere on CC. I can't recall if they ended up getting kicked off or not. I also read on another Web site about somebody who took their service dog in training puppy on a cruise (Disney line, I think) - and let the dog run loose all around the ship and everything! And then the person was dumb enough to think they'd actually be able to take the puppy in restaurants and such in one of the foreign countries they went to.

It is so sad that people are so selfish to lie about their pet like that because it really does hurt those of us who actually need our highly-trained service animals with us in order to go somewhere. :(

wizard-of-roz
April 29th, 2008, 01:09 PM
I agree......However, if a dog is acting in a bad way....take your concerns to the person(s) in charge. I guarantee that it will be taken care of!

No public carrier, especially in todays economy, wants to lose business because of one person(s) actions! To lose the business of a person with their dog, who has lied their way onboard and is acting inappropriately is not a big deal to them!!!!!

I am in contact with many executives from airlines to cruiselines to traines. They have told me that they have no compunction about asking a person who has broken the rules to leave!!! And, they have NEVER been taken to court by any of these folks! That speaks volumns!!!!!!

I ALWAYS make sure that Brenda and I are cleared, through my documentation/insructions and that the carrier is aware of EXACTLY how she performs her duties.

Should and does the general public need to know all of this information as to exactly how and why the dog performs? NO!!!!

Quampapetet
April 30th, 2008, 08:59 PM
The sad thing is, it is a fact that many ppl break the law by passing off their show dogs or regular pets as service dogs to fly them in the cabin for free. The show dog folks brag about it in their Internet forums, even! And I have heard of service dog trainers or owners who have been asked by pet owners if the pet owner could borrow a vest or where they got it from. Some folks have even be told by ppl with their pets AT the airport that, hey, you, too, can fake your pet as an SD to get it in the plane. The airlines do, indeed, turn their heads away and let these pets onboard.

And not all employees know that they can turn away a misbehaving dog - a friend of mine told me about a dog that was marking (peeing) everywhere and the airline employee said there was nothing she could do about it. Of course an exec won't have a problem with getting rid of these liars, but the lower employees will often let a liar through.

The liars make it harder for those of us with real service dogs. One time I had an airline employee who was really not the brightest bulb in the box, as he didn't think my dog was a real SD because she wears a mobility harness and small pack while all the "SD"s he's ever seen have the flat SitStay-type vest (those dogs are more likely to be fake SDs! Not all are, but many are). Sooo ridiculous.

Of course the liars don't make formal complaints or take them to court - they know they are lying to bring their pet on so have no leg to stand on.

wizard-of-roz
May 1st, 2008, 12:43 PM
Brenda and I have just returned from a Delta flight. Not only did a supervisor ask to see ALL of her paperwork but she also asked to see a task that she performs. I was so impressed.

When I aked the employee when they initiated this....she said it will become regulation for all service dogs who fly! Asking to see a task may not be asked for but paperwork will need to be provided and the dog and owner will be observed (as to their behavior) very closely!!!!

I shared some horror stories with her (with all the people who try to fly their show dogs and pets inside a plane) and she told me that if an employee is caught being lax with the regulations they will be subject to dismissal......

I hope so!!!!!

Quampapetet
May 3rd, 2008, 02:20 AM
Brenda and I have just returned from a Delta flight. Not only did a supervisor ask to see ALL of her paperwork but she also asked to see a task that she performs. I was so impressed.

When I aked the employee when they initiated this....she said it will become regulation for all service dogs who fly! Asking to see a task may not be asked for but paperwork will need to be provided and the dog and owner will be observed (as to their behavior) very closely!!!!

That is illegal. Nobody can ask you to demonstrate your SD's tasks. They can ask you what they are (but not what you need them for), but they cannot make you give a demonstration. It is also illegal for them to ask for paperwork if there is other proof (presence of harness/vest, verbal assurance, etc.) - and Delta knows this (though individual employees may not or may try taking things into their own hands). (They do also look at the dog's behaviour, as that is usually a good indicator of training.) No airline can carry out a policy that goes against the law and the law is not currently being changed - this lady does not know what she is talking about.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all" paperwork, but they also cannot require veterinary paperwork. Veterinary paperwork is not required for an SD to travel within the US.

Paperwork (a doc's letter with specific things) is required for emotional support animals (which aren't service dogs).

You need to write or call Delta (not the reservations number - a corporate number) and tell them of this problem. If this lady tries this stunt again, the airline can get in mega trouble with the DOT and/or they could be sued. Not to mention that a disabled person may miss their flight or have their vacation ruined because some employee was making up laws. (Hopefully most ppl know to ask for a CRO when they run into problems like this, though!)


I shared some horror stories with her (with all the people who try to fly their show dogs and pets inside a plane) and she told me that if an employee is caught being lax with the regulations they will be subject to dismissal......

I hope so!!!!!

I can see where the airline would punish the person, but I think dismissal would be quite harsh. It can be hard sometimes to determine a real SD (such as one that alerts to seizures in an otherwise perfectly healthy person) from an overly-trained show dog (they're used to noise and hustle and bustle). I can see them being severely punished for a poorly-behaving pet that is barking, running around, peeing/pooping, chewing, jumping, etc. of course (and they should be punished for that!!).

dvdfreakmc
May 3rd, 2008, 09:39 AM
Hi Wizard of Roz. I haven't been on the boards in a while, and it is great to see the spirited debate and defense of service dogs. Thanks for all your tips last year, when we took Werin with Cameron on their first cruise. We are set to go on another in August with HAL and looking forward to it immensely.

It is great to read through the threads and read your passion. It is getting trickier all the time and we see dogs all the time that don't fit the traditional service dog mold, like Werin and wonder if documentation checks and like are what will be coming next in the law.

Thought I would post the link again to the Department of Justice Special Business Brief on Service Dogs. We carry this one with us and have only had to use once. While people aren't allowed to ask for documentation, as stated in the brief, we always offer to show our CCI card if they ask.

http://www.ada.gov/svcanimb.htm

dvdfreakmc
May 3rd, 2008, 10:55 AM
" As things are, however, I've resigned myself to having to leave her behind when we cruise, just as I do whenever we go to Disney World.
All the best,
Deb K."

Deb K -- We take Werin to Disney World and Disneyland as the staff are best at dealing with service dogs. They always know what to do and are ready to help -- travel with Werin is a great adventure, but we have found Disney locations are the BEST to travel to with Werin. From their policies on sharing line passes, so some of the behind the scenes we have seen on rides based on our alternative entrances - taking her to Disney was the best. Hope you reconsider.

wizard-of-roz
May 5th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Susan: How wonderful to hear from you. I'm so glad you enjoyed your cruise. Please tell us all about it. What line were you on? And, how was your SD experience?

I, too, flash my CCI I.D. Card....It has helped to move things along with immigration and hotel staff! I wish all organizations that trained these amazing dogs would supply their people with them!!!!

We just got off HAL, Oosterdam (wonderful crew) and will be boarding the Golden Princess (we've been on her before, we loved her!) We'll be onboard for two weeks, to Hawaii! Hawaii is a bit more complicated than Mexico or the Caribbean; they require a Rabies Titer test, prior to boarding along with the Agricultural Inspection Form. It's not complicated and not terribly invasive. Although, I don't like to "needle stick" Brenny, at all! I make my husband go in with her......I'm a coward about inflicting even a pinch to my girl!!!!!

HAL's a fabulous line. If you have a veranda and would like it, they will move the potty box there. If not, they will put it on the Promenade Deck, forward.

I'm so glad you're venturing out with Werin. It's so good for all of you, especially Cameron.

Elizanessie
May 5th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Sorry to interupt but I just wanted to say if any of you and your SDs would like to join us on the CC Group Genesis Inaugural cruise next Fall we would be delighted and honoured to have you and your SDs with us :D

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519

wizard-of-roz
May 5th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Liz: What a wonderful group of people you have signed-up! It took me a while to figure it out.....I thought you guys were bug collectors; or, I don't know some kind of "crawly things" groupies!!!!!!!

You're just "Cruise Critters!" How cute is that?

Where are you going and when?

I'd love to cruise with a group of people like you!!!!!!

Elizanessie
May 5th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Hi Roz :D

At the moment we dont know when or where we will be going...all we know is it will be the Genesis Inaugural in the Fall of 2009 from Fort Lauderdale....ok are we crazy or what eh :D

We are very lucky we do have an amazing group who love to chat and plan and are getting to know each other a bit as we wait for more details to be released about the cruise etc.:D

We have our own Mayor,we have a Goodwill Ambassador,we have our own Critter-Dales (like Chippendales) ;). We have a lot of great people who are helping out with our plans to make this the best group cruise :D And of course not forgetting we have already a wonderful Service Dog in the group, Suzanne.

wizard-of-roz
May 5th, 2008, 06:26 PM
You guys are amazing....So, you leave from Ft. Lauderdale; I'm assuming it will be 7 days; I'm also assuming it will be the Caribbean.....Maybe, maybe not???

I wish I could be so spontaneous....I have a job that dictates that I be around for "certain" events....I work for a fund raising organizaition. I get a lot of time off but it has to be around certain times.......

I would love to be with you......Please keep us all posted on how and when it goes! All the details!

Have fun! Like I have to tell you guys that???? :rolleyes:

dvdfreakmc
May 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Hey Roz, Actually it's Peter this time (should have put that at the end). To catch you up with our Werin travels - we go everywhere with her. Our cruise last year on HAL was on the Oosterdam for an Alaskan cruise from Seattle. We had a balcony, but enjoyed walking Werin around the Promenade to the box, rather than have it in the room, but can see how maybe on our next cruise with our balcony -- that might be so much easier.

Don't worry about us and getting out with Werin, our famous SD. We encourage everyone to take their service dog whereever they go. Here is a short list of the trips and events that Werin has helped Cameron in travelling since we got her four years ago. We joke that we know every patch of grass alongside every monument, hotel, or airport. We threaten to start a website with the complete list of "toileting" areas as it takes a lot of research to find them all, especially at airports - but they are there.:


New York City: Subway and Natural History Museum including the Butterfly Exhibit (the keeper just eyed us through the whole exhibit thinking Werin would eat a priceless butterfly, We like staying near Battery Park, as there is lots of green spaces for Werin to do her business in, rather than mid-town which is a bit more tricky.
Obviously the cruise last year on HAL from Seattle. But that trip also included the Boeing Factory in Everett, WA, shopping downtown, the photographer tour in Ketchican, and the glacier in Juneau. In Seattle we stayed at the Marriott Waterfront and would walk down to the dog park on the waterfront for "business purposes"
San Diego, Laguna Beach and Los Angeles, CA: Queen Mary (the original), Legoland, Laguna Beach and of course - Disneyland Resort
Multiple trips to Regina, SK Canada and rural Saskatchewan including the spa in Moose Jaw (yeah that is the real name) and Fort Que'apelle.
Victoria, British Columbia and the Victoria Clipper ferry - multiple times (there is a great dog park in Victoria where Werin has taken breaks from working to check out everyone else.
Washington D.C. on the Metro, the Smithsonian Museums, and all the monuments.
Werin has gone in all modes of transportation including train, bus, car, plane and ship.
Mall of America in MN (There is a great gravel service dog relief area in the Minneapolis airport)
Birmingham Alabama, Chicago and all kinds of points in between. We have gotten stuck in cities without our suitcases in between flights and all kinds of problems, but just plowing through -- it has always worked out!So those of you out there that think that travelling with a service dog is impossible - don't believe it. It is scary -- sure. Can the unexpected happen - Sure. Do some people act badly when we come up with Werin - sure -- But has it been the best thing that has happened to us and Cameron -- ABSOLUTELY!

wizard-of-roz
May 5th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Peter, Peter, Peter........So sorry, I didn't know it was you!!!!!

Wow! You are my hero! And so is your wonderful Werin! You guys really get out there! I'm so glad to see that!!!!!! So do we! Every chance we get! I'd love to see Werin and Brenny together, doing their CCI thing.

I'll buy the book on rest stops and grassy areas. Actually, it would be kind of funny. Kind of a "Werin and Me!" Kind of book!

Thanks for the information and travelog! I'm actually envious of some of the spots you've been to! I'm gonna have to do some heavy duty catch-up here!!!!! I want to take her to New York, at Christmas......I'd think the NY'rs wouldn't even "blink" at a service dog!

Stay well and keep on traveling. Let us know about your upcoming cruise. And what your next travels will be!!!!

You and your family are an inspiration to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dvdfreakmc
May 6th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Roz,

Your words are so kind. Yeah, I guess we just keep going and try not to let setbacks get in our way. Travel is "kind of" our passion, plus service dog access - so it goes really well together.

When Marley and Me came out, I thought stories with Werin would make a great second book -- maybe I just need to get off my duff and write them down.

BTW - here is a question. do you usually book the Holland America transfers to the cruise. We have the worst time with cabs in getting around and I am wondering if booking the HAL transfer is the best bet. We did it in Seattle, but Boston and Montreal are our next areas and we were hoping to stay over a night, then go to the airport -- any thoughts on what has worked well for you in the past?

wizard-of-roz
May 6th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Peter: I use Hotel transfers......What ever hotel we've stayed in the night before is what we use to transfer to the dock. They're very accommodating. Or, we will rent or drive our own car. We live fairly close to L.A.; Long Beach; San Diego or San Francisco. I park in the garage of the hotel or in a public area. Some hotels offer a "Cruise and Snooze" package, where you park you car in their garage and you can leave it for the duration of the cruise for a smaller price than the public lots offer.

I try and find cruises that leave from the above docks. If I can't, I play the "Cab/Me/DH and Brenny Game"

THE GAME: I put my DH and Brenny on the curb. I appear to be alone; I flag down a cab; I hold the cab door, while warning the driver that there are ADA laws that could fine him heavily if he gives me any problems. I motion to DH to come over, I then promise the driver that I will be very careful as to not scratch his "pleather" seats!!!!!

I sit in first, DH holds onto Brenny; I then invite her in by motioning to the floor; she steps in (usually it's a large, loping, lunge onto the back seat of our car); I nudge her butt to the seat; pull her onto it; DH gets in and the driver is very impressed as to how gingerly and carefully this huge, black lab is put into his "precious cab!"

I'll play any game it takes to make our lives easier and to keep some kind of "comfort zone" for the next person using a Service Dog and just what or who they may encounter!;)

Quampapetet
May 7th, 2008, 05:14 PM
I, too, flash my CCI I.D. Card....It has helped to move things along with immigration and hotel staff! I wish all organizations that trained these amazing dogs would supply their people with them!!!!

When you do that, you make access for other disabled ppl with SDs harder. Not everybody has or carries an ID card or is willing to show one. Not every SD is program- or professional trainer-trained.

I have an ID for my SD that has her certification on the back of it, but I never show it for access in the US since it is against the law for them to require it. I don't want to make it hard for the next person with an SD to enter into a place, as I wouldn't want somebody to make it hard for me to enter a place. They can ask me if I'm disabled, if she's my SD, and what tasks she has been trained to do that mitigate my disabilities and I will answer (those are legal questions), but usually if I do get asked something, it is just if she's an SD and then they are fine. I don't want to train businesses to think they can require an ID, which is just what happens when somebody goes flashing IDs around. Disabled ppl do not need to show an ID to enter a place any more than abled ppl do.

A simple, "She's my service dog," or, if further info. is needed, short bit about SDs and the law is all that is needed. Education is much better for all rather than being lazy and flashing a worthless card. (There is no official certification in the US, so the card doesn't say much. And anybody can make a card - or even waste money buying one from an Internet company [sadly, there are ppl who scam others out there by selling them ID/certification cards when the ppl have never even seen the dog!].) It is reasonable to say flashing a card is selfish, too, as it only benefits you, but hurts ppl who come after you.


Hawaii is a bit more complicated than Mexico or the Caribbean; they require a Rabies Titer test, prior to boarding along with the Agricultural Inspection Form. It's not complicated and not terribly invasive. Although, I don't like to "needle stick" Brenny, at all! I make my husband go in with her......I'm a coward about inflicting even a pinch to my girl!!!!!

Aww! She'll be fine, don't worry. My girl doesn't even flinch, so their methods must not hurt much at all. (I sure wish it were the same for humans!!!!! Darn vampire docs!!! LOL.)

How much is your vet charging for the rabies titer blood draw? My vet was expensive when I asked about doing one (before I found out Cayman doesn't accept animals coming from Mexico, our previous port). Obviously, the price would be worth it for a whole cruise to Hawaii, though, as you sure would want to get off the ship! I am thinking of just getting a titer done so that I have it done and then won't have to worry about doing it in the future if I ever travel to a place it is required (it is good unless you miss a rabies booster by a day or more, three-year labeled vaccines accepted). I might get it done in June when we go for the free Wellness Profile (from the National Service Dog Eye Exam Day event).

If you're an IAADP member, remember that you get 50% off the rabies titer testing as well as priority status (they do IAADP members before all other dogs).

Quampapetet
May 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
I sit in first, DH holds onto Brenny; I then invite her in by motioning to the floor; she steps in (usually it's a large, loping, lunge onto the back seat of our car); I nudge her butt to the seat; pull her onto it; DH gets in and the driver is very impressed as to how gingerly and carefully this huge, black lab is put into his "precious cab!"



SDs should ride on the floor of public vehicles (cabs, buses, trains, planes, Ducks, subways, etc.). Just like elsewhere, they shouldn't be on a seat as etiquette and good will.

wizard-of-roz
May 7th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Quam: I so appreciate your input.....That being said: I don't think an Organization such as Canine Companions for Independence, who is highly respected in the Service Dog training arena, for over 30 years, would appreciate your comments on the "Permit Cards" that are given to service teams, following their graduation.

The permit states the Tattoo Number (every SD had an identifying Tattoo in one ear); Participant Graduate Name; Canine Name; CCI Regional Program Manager; and Expiration Date of SD's service permit (since CCI dogs are required to pass public access tests, every 1 - 3 years.)

The back of the permit express's the ADA laws and has the phone number or address for people who are questioning the SD so their good questions may be answered by a training professional!

Some folks who walk or wheel with an SD don't have the capability of speaking or hearing and don't always have someone with them to explain the SD. PLEASE STOP being so negative about these permits. They do serve a purpose for many and are NOT illegal in any way!!!!!!!! They CAN NOT be gotten by everyone (not sold on the internet or in any other way) and are highly prized by those who have earned them!!!!!!!

If you can easily express yourself, verbally....that is a wonderful thing. Some can not!

Also, a 70-100 pound SD can not maneuver itself onto the floor of a car (cab), the seat, in front, may be pushed all the way back or there simply is not enough room for the dog and to expect him/her to fit into all floors of cars is not always possible (especially with the down sizing of foreign cabs) and, could keep someone from venturing out into life (also, some SD's must be very, very close to the person they are working for: to alert to heart rhythms/blood pressure/diabetes, siezures, etc)......it is in no way intrusive of the SD to lay on the seat, next to their owner. These dogs are trained not to stand or in anyway cause obstruction or to be rude..........

I hope that I've been helpful.....All of what I mention is to be informative and to apprise the public of the differentials in Service Dog Training and what you may encounter when you/they see one!!!!!

Just as with people.....Service Dogs come in different shapes/sizes and colors. They perform a myriad of tasks......The public does very well when they are informed.

We walk/wheel with these wonderful beings and only we know how difficult that can be, sometimes.....Let's be more understanding and accepting of each others way in which we do our walking or wheeling!!!!!!

Quampapetet
May 15th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Quam: I so appreciate your input.....That being said: I don't think an Organization such as Canine Companions for Independence, who is highly respected in the Service Dog training arena, for over 30 years, would appreciate your comments on the "Permit Cards" that are given to service teams, following their graduation.

I didn't make any comments about CCI's permit cards.


The permit states the Tattoo Number (every SD had an identifying Tattoo in one ear); Participant Graduate Name; Canine Name; CCI Regional Program Manager; and Expiration Date of SD's service permit (since CCI dogs are required to pass public access tests, every 1 - 3 years.)

My SD's certification expires every two years, as well. We have to go back for our next test late this year.


The back of the permit express's the ADA laws and has the phone number or address for people who are questioning the SD so their good questions may be answered by a training professional!

I have a card from our trainer that states access is required and has a number ppl can call her for questions, as well. I also carry the DOJ's ADA Hotline phone number with me on a separate card in my dog's pack (that card also has a summary of the ADA laws on it).

Some folks who walk or wheel with an SD don't have the capability of speaking or hearing and don't always have someone with them to explain the SD. PLEASE STOP being so negative about these permits. They do serve a purpose for many and are NOT illegal in any way!!!!!!!! They CAN NOT be gotten by everyone (not sold on the internet or in any other way) and are highly prized by those who have earned them!!!!!!!

It isn't illegal for ppl to show them, but by showing them they cause the ppl the businesses to do illegal things by requiring them for the next team that comes along. This DOES indeed happen in real life. And, yes, certification and ID cards CAN indeed be purchased online. The companies who sell them haven't ever seen the dog, but some do certify the dog regardless. (Some other companies state they aren't certifications, just IDs, but nobody in the public knows the difference.) Just give them money and they'll give you a card and maybe patches, too. It is easy for somebody with a pet to do this AND THEY HAVE. It is disgusting and I wish the gov't could shut such companies down.

Yes, TRUE certification after lots of training for tasks and public access and testing for both IS something to be proud of. I know I am. But there are many certifications out there gotten by people who just paid money for them. And there is no standard or law for certification in this country, so certifications are, indeed, meaningless for access. (They may be helpful in a court of law, as would any other type of proof that aren't certifications.)


If you can easily express yourself, verbally....that is a wonderful thing. Some can not!

Yes, but verbally isn't the only way one can express themselves. Try a paper explaining what SDs are, for instance.


Also, a 70-100 pound SD can not maneuver itself onto the floor of a car (cab), the seat, in front, may be pushed all the way back or there simply is not enough room for the dog and to expect him/her to fit into all floors of cars is not always possible (especially with the down sizing of foreign cabs) and, could keep someone from venturing out into life (also, some SD's must be very, very close to the person they are working for: to alert to heart rhythms/blood pressure/diabetes, siezures, etc)......it is in no way intrusive of the SD to lay on the seat, next to their owner. These dogs are trained not to stand or in anyway cause obstruction or to be rude..........

I hope that I've been helpful.....All of what I mention is to be informative and to apprise the public of the differentials in Service Dog Training and what you may encounter when you/they see one!!!!!

Just as with people.....Service Dogs come in different shapes/sizes and colors. They perform a myriad of tasks......The public does very well when they are informed.

We walk/wheel with these wonderful beings and only we know how difficult that can be, sometimes.....Let's be more understanding and accepting of each others way in which we do our walking or wheeling!!!!!!

I think you are forgetting that I have a service dog. She goes everywhere with me because I need her to. There are certain etiquettes we follow as proper things to do with SDs and we follow them. She is never allowed on public seats in buses, taxis, planes, limos, restaurants, etc. no matter what country we are in or how tight a fit it is. It is not appropriate. We can always fit her anywhere, as can other folks I know who have larger dogs.

I want businesses and the public to accept the teams that come behind me as they need to as per the law. I make sure that they will, as I don't do needless selfish things that would prevent access for others. (Not saying ppl are selfish, but the action of flashing a card because an SD handler is too tired or lazy or fed up just so they can get in, without regards to others who come after them, is selfish. The public and businesses don't see many SDs, so when one team does something good or bad, it is remembered and reflects upon any other team who come after them. This is what happens and is documented to happen. I know some folks [including the fakers who take their pets out or onto a plane] don't believe or want to believe it, but it really does happen.)

wizard-of-roz
May 15th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Thank You, Quam! :)

Quampapetet
May 16th, 2008, 02:55 AM
If you can easily express yourself, verbally....that is a wonderful thing. Some can not!

The last thing I want to comment on about this is in regards to this topic (let's get back to regular SD stuff), as I forgot to say something before.

No, I most certainly can NOT easily express myself verbally. (If dogs could speak English, man would that be a darned good task!!! 'Course, then they could also talk back to us like kids can, so maybe it is good that they can't.... :p ) At least three of my disabilities affect my speaking to/conversing with others. But I try my gosh-darn-hardest to educate businesses, as well as the well-intentioned general public, on the laws and what SDs are and all. If I have a certain couple family members with me, I often let them take the role 'cause it is better for me that way. I don't think I've ever allowed a friend to do such, as I don't believe in passing the buck to them (plus they don't always know the laws or right things to say), and I do go out alone, so I do have to do it myself when needed.

I hardly ever get an access challenge and never a denial, but when I do, I've never had to flash our ID card, certification (it is in miniature on the back of the ID), or the cards with the ADA summary and ADA Hotline & trainer's numbers on them. I'm not opposed to showing the ID in a country where there are no access laws, but I go with education first and that's always been enough so I've never had to show anything outside the US, either.




Now ... I think you said Brennie likes to play ball, yes? Have you seen this new toy that came out called Ring Zinger? It is a hollow rubber ring (doughnut shape) that you launch with a plastic thing that is similar to those tennis ball launchers. The difference is that, unlike a tennis ball that flies through the air and lands in one spot, this thing goes a short distance through the air, lands and bounces a bit, and then rolls along the ground for a very long distance. Dogs are to chase after it. It is pretty neat. Using it takes a small amount of force and the ability to remember the correct direction to hold the launcher (yes, I know this from experience... :o ), but it is cool. It can be used with one hand or two hands. Look it up at www.NaturesInstinct.com (http://www.NaturesInstinct.com) (I saw the ad for it in the recent issue of "BARK" magazine and just had to order it!)

MCDW
May 18th, 2008, 02:12 AM
Hi

It seems like forever since I have been on this Board.

Oz (my hear hear guide dog) and I have just returned from a repositioning cruise from San Diego to Vancouver via Mexico. And, my, my, my it was interesting. Wonderful ship, food, crew...........but the issue was with Oz.

Oz made it even more interesting, due to his food poisoning. Yup, food poisoning and all the symptoms.


We flew to San Diego and spent two wonderful days. Just as we were crossing the street to board a cruise ship, Oz apparently spotted a piece of uneaten food and got to it before I even noticed.........I had Oz, a purse and two suitcases on the move.

That night and all overnight he had all the symptoms of food poisoning. This continued the next day so I took him to the ship's doctor. She didn't know what to do for such a little guy. I had all his documents, so I suggested we call his vet in Canada. Thank goodness D'arcy was in his office.

Between the ship's doctor and our vet on the phone, they were able to translate human antibiotics to what animals take as antibiotics. We left the medical clinic with three different antibiotic prescriptions, with each pill cut in fours and to be taken for 5 days and baby diapers. I was told Oz could not have anything to eat for those 5 days except rice and chicken. The cook on the ship was more than happy to accommodate my request for rice and chicken.

Poor Oz was one sick pup. He had so many passengers and staff on the ship asking how he was and wishing him well. Got to admit he is a cutie.


I will read the recent boards tomorrow, I only had time to scan them and the recent topic appears to be playing with balls. Our guide school does not teach dogs to chase balls. Not knowing this, when I first got Oz, I bought balls and threw them for Oz to chase. You guessed it........I chased the balls.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend.

MCDW
May 18th, 2008, 02:36 AM
I went back to page 13 before it is time for bed. Well actually overtime to go to bed since I am in Ontario Canada.

Something that really distresses me after finally gaining rights for guide dogs and guide dog users, are the great number of websites that sell guide/service dogs badges/jackets/photo IDs. Due to this, it will be increasingly problematic to assure trains/planes/cruise ships that our dogs are the "real thing."

Is there anything we can do?

Just google guide/service dogs jackets and you will be distressed too.

wizard-of-roz
May 19th, 2008, 01:13 PM
MCDW: I'm so sorry to hear about "Oz's" encounter with the "who knows what it is" food source. Brenda, on occasion, has gotten something from underneath a table, in a restaurant, (we've learned to puruse the floor, before she's placed there) and has had a tummy ache with all the symptoms that go with it!!!!

I certainly hope he's feeling better! Your wonderful attitude helped to make a terrible situation, bareable!

I, too, am upset about these vests and capes being sold on the internet. Which is why I always like to show the full paperwork, from CCI, verifying Brenda's accreditation!

On all the cruises/plane and train travels that we have done (for the past 5 1/2 years)....I have yet to run across any service dog, other than two seeing eye dogs and three dogs wearing a CCI vest, who either looked like a "fake" or acted in any way other than a professionally trained service dog!!!!!

I'm afraid I would be the one to turn the "fake" in! I'd probably wind-up confronting them; insisting on seeing some sort of documentation that the public venue wouldn't realize the person should be carrying and asking where the dog was trained? What does the dog do? Etc., etc. The "fake" would have "no clue", that some of my questions were illegal (as "Quam" would put it), no matter, I would be insistent! I would then go directly to the Hotel Manager (and, if they were a "fake"), I would request that they either be thrown out or be asked to keep their "fake" in the cabin, until the cruise were over!!!!!!!

I worked and waited too hard and long for my service dog to allow ANYONE to "fake-it" with a vest that they purchased "on-line!"

It's up to us to make sure that the "fakes" are found out and that it not be made easy for them to bring their "pets" into the public venue!!!!!

The vests that are given to CCI graduates can not be gotten any way, except thru CCI. The detailed "logo" on both sides can not be easily copied!!!!!!!

Another reason why "Permits" and documentation should ALWAYS be asked for and shown in the public arena!

Any paperwork can be falsified, it would just make it more work for the "fakes!" And, of course, if the dog were behaving badly (even if licensed), they could be asked to leave.......................

I'm sorry this is so wordy....

Quampapetet
May 22nd, 2008, 05:19 PM
Oz made it even more interesting, due to his food poisoning. Yup, food poisoning and all the symptoms.

Oh no!!! :( Poor Oz!


That night and all overnight he had all the symptoms of food poisoning. This continued the next day so I took him to the ship's doctor. She didn't know what to do for such a little guy. I had all his documents, so I suggested we call his vet in Canada. Thank goodness D'arcy was in his office.

Between the ship's doctor and our vet on the phone, they were able to translate human antibiotics to what animals take as antibiotics. We left the medical clinic with three different antibiotic prescriptions, with each pill cut in fours and to be taken for 5 days and baby diapers. I was told Oz could not have anything to eat for those 5 days except rice and chicken. The cook on the ship was more than happy to accommodate my request for rice and chicken.

That is awesome that they helped you!! I guess that answers the long-wondered question of whether or not the ship's doc would be willing to help an SD or not. Well, at least for that doc, anyway. I guess it might be on a doc-by-doc basis.

That's great that the ship's cook made you the rice and boiled chicken, too. That always works wonders when my SD gets ill. (She doesn't get ill often, but the two or three times it has happened, fasting and then doing rice/boiled chicken for a few meals works well.)

That's funny that they gave you baby diapers for the dog! I'm chuckling imagining a dog wearing one. ;)

Our guide school does not teach dogs to chase balls. Not knowing this, when I first got Oz, I bought balls and threw them for Oz to chase. You guessed it........I chased the balls.


Hehe, don't you just love chasing balls?! :rolleyes: Silly doggies!


BTW, thanks for posting that photo - oh my gosh, Oz is adorable!!! :D

Quampapetet
May 22nd, 2008, 05:27 PM
Something that really distresses me after finally gaining rights for guide dogs and guide dog users, are the great number of websites that sell guide/service dogs badges/jackets/photo IDs. Due to this, it will be increasingly problematic to assure trains/planes/cruise ships that our dogs are the "real thing."

Is there anything we can do?

Just google guide/service dogs jackets and you will be distressed too.

Well, for planes the new ACAA laws will make it harder for ppl to fake their pet. Apparently, many of the fakes are being passed as Psychiatric Service Dogs. So now, Psychiatric Service Dogs can be required to have a recent letter from the person's doctor (similar to the letter one can be required to have for an Emotional Support Animal [which isn't a service animal]) in order to fly. If unscrupulous people continue to pass their pets off as SDs under the guise of other types of SDs, the DOT can add safeguards for those types, as well.

The best thing to do is educate businesses on the three questions they are legally allowed to ask:

(1) Are you disabled?
(2) Is this your service animal?
(3) What tasks has he/she been trained to do that mitigate your disability/disabilities?

(If I had a business or worked in one dealing with the public, I'd ask the third question of everybody. Yes, I have heard of more than one disabled person [wheelchair user, visually impaired person, etc.] who fake their pet as an SD, figuring nobody will question them!!)

Quampapetet
May 22nd, 2008, 05:42 PM
I'm afraid I would be the one to turn the "fake" in! I'd probably wind-up confronting them; insisting on seeing some sort of documentation that the public venue wouldn't realize the person should be carrying and asking where the dog was trained? What does the dog do? Etc., etc. The "fake" would have "no clue", that some of my questions were illegal (as "Quam" would put it), no matter, I would be insistent! I would then go directly to the Hotel Manager (and, if they were a "fake"), I would request that they either be thrown out or be asked to keep their "fake" in the cabin, until the cruise were over!!!!!!!

Some fakes are clueless, but others have read themselves up on the laws so know what can and can't be asked of a person. Some fakes have gone so far as to train their dogs a task, like retrieving, even though it doesn't mitigate their disability (or fake disability, if they're not at all disabled). Some fakes have also purchased the IDs/certifications from the online dealers.


I worked and waited too hard and long for my service dog to allow ANYONE to "fake-it" with a vest that they purchased "on-line!"

Many real teams do use vests, harnesses, or other gear that they have purchased online. So, be careful as to not make a mistake. Remember that not everybody has certification/ID or is willing to show it to a complete stranger, especially if the stranger is potentially accusing them of being a fake. (The best way to ask questions would be as a light-hearted, casual conversation between two potential SD teams instead of an accusatory conversation.)


It's up to us to make sure that the "fakes" are found out and that it not be made easy for them to bring their "pets" into the public venue!!!!!

Some businesses will not kick out a fake out of fear that they will be sued.


The vests that are given to CCI graduates can not be gotten any way, except thru CCI. The detailed "logo" on both sides can not be easily copied!!!!!!!

I've seen either used vests of copies of the CCI patch on eBay in the past (as well as copied patches and used harnesses from other programs). :mad:


Another reason why "Permits" and documentation should ALWAYS be asked for and shown in the public arena!

Except that it is illegal in the United States for a business to require such paperwork/certification. Not all teams have it, not all teams that do have it carry it with them, not all teams want to show it.


Any paperwork can be falsified, it would just make it more work for the "fakes!" And, of course, if the dog were behaving badly (even if licensed), they could be asked to leave.......................



Unfortunately, many fakes prob'ly would falsify any paperwork if the law was changed to require such. Some have fake IDs/certifications already.

Yes, it is good to remind businesses that ANY dog - even a certified or program-trained service dog - that is misbehaving and the handler cannot regain control (i.e. dog continuously barking during a movie) can be legally kicked out of their business.

wizard-of-roz
May 22nd, 2008, 05:50 PM
I recommend that ALL service organizations require a License (just like our drivers license.) To be given to the person who handles the service dog.

The license will contain all pertinent information about the "Team!" The date of graduation; expiration date; any identifying information about the SD; ie. color/sex/age/tattoo/chip, etc. The name of a contact person at the organization; what type of service the dog performs, ie. service/hearing/skilled companion. The handlers and sd's name would appear on the card.

The back of the card should explain the ADA access laws.

****Until EVERY service organization supplies and requires these I.D. Cards and their graduates to carry them and the expectation of planes; boats; trains; bus's, etc, etc. would be that if you have a valid license and you show it........ you are not a fraud; we will continue to have the "fakes", who think that ALL IT TAKES IS A VEST OR CAPE, and simple words to get onto or into the public venue!!!!!!

Quampapetet
May 24th, 2008, 01:35 AM
****Until EVERY service organization supplies and requires these I.D. Cards and their graduates to carry them and the expectation of planes; boats; trains; bus's, etc, etc. would be that if you have a valid license and you show it........ you are not a fraud; we will continue to have the "fakes", who think that ALL IT TAKES IS A VEST OR CAPE, and simple words to get onto or into the public venue!!!!!!



No, until the LAW changes. Without the federal law being changed, no business can require to see an ID card or certification or some such paperwork. If the law is ever rewritten to require all teams to carry some type of card (I guess they'd say, "Too bad, so sad," for them if they ever lose or forget it or happen to not have it on them because they didn't plan on going anywhere, so disabled ppl shouldn't have the same amount of access as other ppl have :rolleyes: ), only then will such cards matter. But they will be from the gov't/a gov't-run or -approved organization, not from individual schools or trainers.

Not every SD is program trained or professional trainer trained and those that are, not every team has an ID, and those that do, most do not wish to show something just to enter a store when nobody else has to show anything to enter a store.

And if you think things will change even if a new law is put into place, just look at how many ppl fraudulently use handicapped parking spaces, either using a tag that doesn't belong to them or one they shouldn't have (either should never have gotten or was for a temporary problem that they don't have anymore) or just parking there sans any tag. Some ppl just don't get that ppl with disabilities have accommodations, not special treatments. Until they all realize that and get consciences, there will be fraud. :( (And, no, handicapped parking tags are not the same as a disabled ID for an SD would be. If a disabled person forgets the tag, they still have access to the parking lot [albeit not an ideal space and they may have to double-park if they use a wheelchair lift]. If ppl had to show an ID just to get into a store or restaurant, they wouldn't be able to access the place at all if they lost or forgot it at home or didn't know they'd be going into a no-pets place when they left home - all of which can easily happen, has happened to ppl with their SD gear, and has happened to ppl with driver's licenses/IDs.)

Many ppl don't wish to tell others what their disability is/disabilities are, so "type of service dog" would not be something many ppl would want on an ID. Also, lots of dogs are trained for multiple disabilities - cards are small and can't fit all the types on them. ;)



But, anyway, I thought we ended this topic??? Let's move onto something more productive....

ala-kat
May 26th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Don't know what brought me here to read this. I am AB, and I am appalled that other AB people do this. Is it to just be able to bring their animal along, or is it something else? I love my pet as much as anyone, but good grief.

I have the greatest respect for service animals, what a wonderful and satisfying service they provide. To dumb it down with pets in the mix is just plain wrong and disrespectful.

God bless ya'll.

wizard-of-roz
May 27th, 2008, 01:16 PM
ala-kat:Thank you for your interest. As a person who goes through life with a Service Dog (everywhere from stores/restaurants/air planes/cruises, etc., etc.) I can tell you that it is NOT EASY to always please everyone in the public. (Especially, those who don't care for dogs, in the first place!) I have gotten everything from dirty looks and verbal attacks to absolute refusal to serve me!!!!! I don't leave; I don't back down....I stand my ground, with my SD and I always win!!!!!!!

Carrying a license (just like those who drive have to) is truly the only answer for the Service Dog population. And, even trainers or Orgs. that don't have these licensces, yet, should start using them; therby encouraging EVERYONE to use them!!!! It would scare away the abusers!!!!!

And, yes there are selfish people in our society who could care less about us or our issues. They want to bring "Fi-Fi" along with them, wherever they go and they know that the only way they can do it is to lie or cheat their way into the public venue!

You're right, it is too bad! But, it makes it so difficult for the rest of us!!! :(

Thank God there aren't too many of them!!!!!

I just made reservations to fly to Eugene, Oregon (through Delta), I was told that the "bulk-head" seat was taken. The reservation agent asked me to wait; she came back to me and said that the "bulk-head" passenger was moved and Brenda and I would be okay to board, now!!!!

On these smaller jets, there is absolutely no room for a Service Dog other than the bulk head. The airline understood, they went out of their way to please me and to accomodate my SD! How wonderful is that????????:)

Quampapetet
May 28th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Don't know what brought me here to read this. I am AB, and I am appalled that other AB people do this. Is it to just be able to bring their animal along, or is it something else? I love my pet as much as anyone, but good grief.

I have the greatest respect for service animals, what a wonderful and satisfying service they provide. To dumb it down with pets in the mix is just plain wrong and disrespectful.

God bless ya'll.

Yes, most of the ppl do it out of selfishness - either they want their pet with them or, in the case of flying, they don't want to pay and don't want their larger show dog (if applicable) to have to ride in cargo. They are the reason the ACAA laws are being changed for so far just one group of people (people with mental disabilities who use task-trained service dogs) and it is written that in the future, if there are fakers in other categories of service dogs, the law can be changed to help keep those fakers out.

They prob'ly also park in handicapped parking spaces just to "run into the store for a minute". :rolleyes:

And, of course, the "celebrities" (and I use that word lightly, LOL!) like Paris Hilton who take their little pooches with them everywhere don't help. :mad:

I have heard stories of ppl bringing their pets into restaurants, sitting them on the seats, and feeding them from the table/their plates! Many businesses don't realize that they CAN do something about this - or they don't want to risk being sued (apparently, even some non-disabled pet-toting folks will be stupid enough to sue under a law that has nothing to do with them!).

Quampapetet
May 28th, 2008, 04:47 PM
And, yes there are selfish people in our society who could care less about us or our issues. They want to bring "Fi-Fi" along with them, wherever they go and they know that the only way they can do it is to lie or cheat their way into the public venue!

They should move to Europe, where pets are accepted in public places in many countries. If they want to live in the US, they need to learn to live by US law!




I just made reservations to fly to Eugene, Oregon (through Delta), I was told that the "bulk-head" seat was taken. The reservation agent asked me to wait; she came back to me and said that the "bulk-head" passenger was moved and Brenda and I would be okay to board, now!!!!

Only supervisors can do the bulkhead seat for a qualified disabled person (somebody with an SD or somebody with an unbending prosthetic), so that's why the reservationist couldn't do it for you.


On these smaller jets, there is absolutely no room for a Service Dog other than the bulk head. The airline understood, they went out of their way to please me and to accomodate my SD! How wonderful is that????????:)

They were following the law, not going out of their way. By law, you have the right to the bulkhead or whatever other seat suits you and your SD best. Those who don't have SDs or unbending legs know they can be moved out of bulkhead if somebody with an SD or unbending leg needs it - they have to be told this when reserving their seat. (Or, some airlines block off the bulkhead and only assign those seats the day of the flight. Or, airlines who don't assign seats must allow you to pre-board.)

wizard-of-roz
May 28th, 2008, 05:14 PM
The person who made and approved the "bulk-head" seat move.....was a "reservation agent".....she was NOT the manager/supervisor or any way in authority......she was just accomodating and that was, as I stated before, wonderful!!!!!!

Any person who makes your reservation for you has the ability to move passengers and accomodate a Service Dog!

How do I know? I asked the person on the other end of the phone!!!!

Don't be put off by anyone who says they can't help you......they can!!! And, with a little bit of help or information from you.....they will!!!!!

This is important for all who read these boards to know........You DO NOT HAVE TO SPEAK to anyone special to get your reservation needs met!

Although, some cruise lines are now keeping "special needs" requests to a special department.....my TA will handle any of my requirements for Brenda, on any cruiseline.

The individual "special needs" departments will have their various forms that must be filled out and your agent can forward or email them to you.

The airlines only need to see your dogs vest/cape and your through the line......

Once they witness the amazingly good behavior of your dog.......they don't need to see anything else!!!!! They stand in awe at the mutual respect each of you gives each other!!!

You want to smile, really big? Watch a service dog behave when approached by officials at the airport........they don't make any sudden gestures or movements, they don't lurch forward, or pull their handler off their feet, they don't try to lick and smell everyone and everything.....they're a joy and a pleasure to have around!!!!!

I could spot a "fake" immediately! And, I wouldn't be shy to call the owner on it!!!!!!

Queenie2
May 28th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Another reason some people take their dogs with them and claim service animal status is the cost. I was talking with this one lady in the Denver airport the other day and she was complaining about how much it costs for her to take her dog with her on flights. She flat out told me that next time she is going to say that it is a service animal so he can travel for free. She obviously had no idea of who she was talking to, but the attitude does exist out there.

That said, I know several folks who have service animals but they lack an ID card/vest or other identification. To be honest, they aren't questioned much because they are very well behaved. And as someone pointed out, it is against the law to demand certification.

As long as an animal performs a function to help a disabled person I'm OK with that. I do draw the line at the emotional support pig that I covered some 8 years ago, but porky was pretty big and he took a pretty big dump on the jetway. Not something most well trained service animals would do. He wasn't even well trained for a pig.

Candy

wizard-of-roz
May 28th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Candy: Your pig story is very funny!!!!!! I have yet to run into a pig/monkey or anything other than a dog that assists.

I, too, am in favor of any service that the animal may perform to help to make their handlers life a better/easier one!!!!

If that means sitting or standing in areas that are not of the "norm", so be it! As long as the service animal is performing with good manners towards others......that's all I need to see!

Queenie2
May 28th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I have seen some helper monkeys and interviewed some folks who travel with them, Roz. In some airports the TSA folks are even trained about the monkeys and how to ask their owner to take off the monkey's diaper. The people that have the monkeys swear by them. I wouldn't object to one sitting next to me on a plane, but I couldn't really see having one in my own home. Of course if a friend had one, they would be welcome in my home, but I'm just not seeing it as something I'd go out and get on my own.

Interestingly enough, the new ACAA (and yes I read all 311 pages of it) further defines service animals and emotional support animals, and actually *excludes* rodents and reptiles including (snakes, other reptiles, rodents and spiders). Boy, I'm glad they clarified that -- I was really getting tired of those service spiders on planes:)

Your tax dollars at work:)

Also interestingly enough "accommodations for service animals" was the subject that attracted the most comments/letters when the proposed rules came out for comment -- 1100 out of 1229.

OK, back to work..

Candy

wizard-of-roz
May 29th, 2008, 02:37 PM
Candy: You are a "dictionary" of information. I'm so glad about the rodent and spider thing too!!!!!! I can train and handle any dog/horse and probably a monkey but just put a spider into the mix and I become a screamy/jumpy/extremely fearful fool!!!:eek:

Isn't it amazing how everything has to be "spelled out" for some people!!!!!!

I can pass by a person who absolutely can't keep her/his hands off of Brenda, for their love and admiration of what she does....and, in the very same group will be someone who hates and is sickened by the mere sight of a hairy/four legged animal near them, let alone on the same boat/train or airplane as them!!

Quampapetet
May 31st, 2008, 12:40 AM
The person who made and approved the "bulk-head" seat move.....was a "reservation agent".....she was NOT the manager/supervisor or any way in authority......she was just accomodating and that was, as I stated before, wonderful!!!!!!

Any person who makes your reservation for you has the ability to move passengers and accomodate a Service Dog!

How do I know? I asked the person on the other end of the phone!!!!

Don't be put off by anyone who says they can't help you......they can!!! And, with a little bit of help or information from you.....they will!!!!!

This is important for all who read these boards to know........You DO NOT HAVE TO SPEAK to anyone special to get your reservation needs met!

Perhaps they have changed their policy recently, but every time I have called Delta, the reservationist has had to have her supervisor do the computer entry part. Occassionally the supervisor will also get on the phone with me, but otherwise I only speak to the reservationist while the supervisor just taps whatever computer buttons she needs to tap. I was told at least one time that only supervisors could do it. Not that it is a big deal - it hasn't been that they haven't been helpful, just that they had to get their supervisor in order to do it.

However, you may wish to call back to make sure that your reservation is noted as your being there because of your disability/your SD so that you don't get moved if another disabled person comes along requesting the same accommodation. That happened to me once - the person on the phone moved me, but apparently didn't mark that I couldn't be moved, and when I got to the gate, they told me my seat had been moved! Thankfully, it was easy to solve, as they had moved it for somebody's wheelchair, so they just stored the wheelchair elsewhere and I sat in the seat I'd been assigned long before that day. (The stewardesses knew that man was rather testy already, so they went to explain to him what happened so that I wouldn't face any wrath.) I can't recall if a supervisor had done the data entry on that seat assignment or not - I guess it could be that one hadn't, so I got the seat but wasn't marked as not to move.




Once they witness the amazingly good behavior of your dog.......they don't need to see anything else!!!!! They stand in awe at the mutual respect each of you gives each other!!!

And once some of those K-9/sniffer dog handlers see the behaviour of your dog, they're embarrassed or jealously angry that their barking, lunging, and perhaps snarling dog isn't as well-trained!! :p One out of the last two airport dogs I've seen was actually impeccably behaved, just standing (or was he sitting?) there. The other two, not so much - one tried attacking my SD (who just stood there, prob'ly thinking, "What is his problem?!" LOL) and the other just really wanted to greet and play with her, lunging and almost dragging the poor embarrassed handler towards her (while she stood, staying looking in the right direction and completely ignoring him).

Some of those pets in carriers ... can you say, "YAP-YAP!"?!?! Last year, as we stood at the ticket counter checking in, there was one of those continuously yapping little dogs in a carrier held by a woman in the line behind us. My SD was fine, but prob'ly getting as annoyed as the rest of us were! ;)

And then there are the pet owners who disobey the rules and take their pets out of the carriers, either before or after the flight. :rolleyes: One couple in front of us in the check-in line one time had a large, active puppy they were flying cargo. They had his big crate set up right there next to them, but they had him out on the leash. He was straining so much on the leash to come see my SD I thought he was either gonna hurt himself or hurt the woman who was trying to hang on to his leash! My dog was standing, sitting, and laying there (they were at the counter for forever!) quietly, so finally the puppy got the hint that laying there was the proper thing to do and he did just that. (Gotta love seeing dogs learn from other dogs!) Security stood around at the back of the line to make sure their puppy didn't do anything stupid, but allowed the dog to be out of his crate like that.

Quampapetet
May 31st, 2008, 12:43 AM
Candy: Your pig story is very funny!!!!!! I have yet to run into a pig/monkey or anything other than a dog that assists.

Same here, although I would LOVE to meet one of those guide mini horses! :D I can't imagine international travel would be easy, perhaps even not possible in many situations, with a mini horse, though.

dvdfreakmc
May 31st, 2008, 05:48 AM
We have never really had trouble on flights in getting the seats we needed. A few crazy moments, but it always works out.

Delta is really the best I have used for getting seats we need. We have found that asking for the bulkhead after you make your reservation online is the best, and we haven't needed a supervisor. Just the regular agent you talk with moves us up to the bulkhead row.

However, sometimes we are lucky enough to upgrade (I fly a lot for work), and having a non-bulkhead seat actually provides much more room for Werin, since she can get under the seat in front.

Northwest has always been good. They have a policy that only Cameron and one other person can go in the bulkhead and they seat me or Susan the row behind. Totally fine, as I know from work how valuable those bulkhead rows are. The only place we have had a little trouble is on the small jets (CRJ and the like) as many times the bulkhead is also the exit row which is not allowed. But the flight attendants have always worked something out to move others or something.

Southwest, although they are my favorite airline, are the worst at allowing bulkhead seats. They are really friendly though while denying bulkhead seats (ha, ha). Actually it is only a problem when the flight is coming from somewhere else and people are still on the plane. Before they let the next group board (including early boarders like myself) they let those on the plane change their seat, then they take the bulkhead row. One flight attendant said to me, service dogs are supposed to be able to fit under any seat, so I won't move them. Well I think the new rules clarify that, and I'll carry them with me anytime I fly on Southwest from now on.

Alaska Airlines caused a bit of a panic, when we showed up at the airport and they had changed all the seats, even though I had called ahead prior to leaving to get bulkhead seats assigned. Impressive though, after my little flip out at the airport, they moved everyone they had assigned to the bulkheads to accomodate us. Great job!

Just made reservations on Amtrak, and everytime I call them about Werin, they seem to not know what to do. Some insist that she has to have her own seat, they always ask what disability (a big no-no) and generally agents don't seem to know what to do.

pmfan
June 1st, 2008, 05:27 PM
For those of you who have cruised with your service dog to the ports of St. Thomas and St. Maarten could you tell me what the requirements are? I would think that for St. Thomas all I would need is the international health certificate, is that right? But for St. Maarten I have no idea. I tried a search but had no luck. Thank you.

Quampapetet
June 2nd, 2008, 12:28 AM
We have found that asking for the bulkhead after you make your reservation online is the best, and we haven't needed a supervisor.

That's what I do, too - make my reservation online and then call up to get the bulkhead. They have always gotten a supervisor to do the change for my seating in the past, though, and have told me they cannot do it, only a supervisor could, and it was policy. Do you call the regular line or the Frequent Flyer line? I call the latter.

The only place we have had a little trouble is on the small jets (CRJ and the like) as many times the bulkhead is also the exit row which is not allowed.

I hate those planes! I always look at the seating chart before I buy my tickets to make sure there the bulkhead isn't an exit row, although I've only come across that on an airline that I don't frequent (American Airlines).

Actually it is only a problem when the flight is coming from somewhere else and people are still on the plane. Before they let the next group board (including early boarders like myself) they let those on the plane change their seat, then they take the bulkhead row.

Yikes! That is terrible. Have you complained to the DOT about this? The flight crew would know/could know that an SD is coming onto the flight and either save a seat in the bulkhead (after asking you if that is where you want to sit) or let you on the plane before ppl move (or just not let them move, which sounds chaotic to me, anyway!).

One flight attendant said to me, service dogs are supposed to be able to fit under any seat, so I won't move them. Well I think the new rules clarify that, and I'll carry them with me anytime I fly on Southwest from now on.

Sounds like she's not the most brilliant light bulb in the box.... ;)

Alaska Airlines caused a bit of a panic, when we showed up at the airport and they had changed all the seats, even though I had called ahead prior to leaving to get bulkhead seats assigned. Impressive though, after my little flip out at the airport, they moved everyone they had assigned to the bulkheads to accomodate us. Great job!

I've heard that happens because when the plane gets switched, the computer randomly picks seats for everyone and it doesn't know to look for ppl who need to be in the bulkhead for disability reasons. One time my plane got switched and I thought I wasn't in the bulkhead anymore - the lady at the ticket counter said she couldn't do anything for me, I'd have to talk to the gate ppl. When I got to the gate, they said that row (which was not #1, but #4 or something) was actually the bulkhead (and it was). Then I was on another plane (or was it the same one?) that skipped a few numbers even though the row was right behind the one in front of it, LOL! (These are in planes that don't have First Class, so should start with 1 and be sequential.)

Quampapetet
June 2nd, 2008, 12:36 AM
For those of you who have cruised with your service dog to the ports of St. Thomas and St. Maarten could you tell me what the requirements are? I would think that for St. Thomas all I would need is the international health certificate, is that right? But for St. Maarten I have no idea. I tried a search but had no luck. Thank you.

St. Martin: This is for pets, but most likely also applies to SDs: http://www.pettravel.com/immigration/SaintMartin.cfm

Virgin Islands (St. Thomas): Also for pets and is for moving, but would be for any dog entering: http://www.vimovingcenter.com/pets/

AAAAmerican
June 2nd, 2008, 02:12 AM
Our Dog Club the First in the USA gives certification to the qualified dogs on TDI as well CGC etc.

I personally have seen on Ships abuse of the privlage given...

We always want the best training for all dogs ..yet as we all know it is the person which really gets the training most...lol.

We are always looking for speakers too to show the public the needed benefits as well the Press.

The more which know there more we share the public does care..

If you need to contact us please do. (http://www.firstdog.us)

http://www.firstdog.org

201-722-0001

Thanks for caring and sharing so many nice words about dogs here!:cool:

wizard-of-roz
June 2nd, 2008, 01:21 PM
There is no way that Brenda could fit underneath a seat (in front/in back) or anywhere else on a plane. She weighs 70lbs and is built like a true English Lab....broad and stocky! She barely fits into the bulkhead space on those small jets, on Delta, from L.A. to Eugene.

As a matter of fact, I have to rearrange my legs (I'm 5'10"), just to allow her butt in and as it is, her nose is laying in the aisle!!!!!

AmTrak does not know what to do with Service Dogs. We took it from Santa Barbara to San Diego and Brenda sat by my side on the floor (taking up another seats entire width!) The conductor was very surprised and wanted to know what the dog did, etc., etc. Just the usual curiosity. When I made the reservation, it took forever because the agent did not what to do!!!!

First Dog: I'm curious about your organization and what type of Service Dog training that you provide, what type of dogs do you use and where are you based?

Also, in answer to the question about Saint Martin: We had our Vet Certification; Agricultural Inspection Form; L.A. City Dog License; CCI Permit and my Passport. All of which were current but not done within any certain date of departure (Brenda had her Vet check and immunizations about 3 months before we left!)

Copies were given to the Purser's desk upon embarkation, they gave them to the Immigration authorities when our ship docked at the various ports and we were set to go! We have never been refused admittance to either the Caribbean/South America or Mexican Riviera land venues.

I believe that we have always been given our freedom to go and come onboard and off a cruiseliner because the paperwork was so complete and was given the moment we boarded. We left no room for question or error!!!!!!! Now, if only some of the passengers were as accepting!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Quampapetet
June 3rd, 2008, 10:31 PM
Our Dog Club the First in the USA gives certification to the qualified dogs on TDI as well CGC etc.

TDI is Therapy Dogs International, which is for pets who go to hospitals and nursing homes and such to visit people. These are NOT service dogs nor do they have ANY type of public access. In order to get into said hospitals/nursing homes, they must be invited in as a special circumstance. They are not allowed in stores, restaurants, etc. as they are not service dogs nor are they trained to do tasks for a disabled handler.

CGC is Canine Good Citizen, a simple test for pets that the American Kennel Club (AKC) oversees. This test has nothing to do with service dogs nor is it a title on a dog (like show titles) even though some service dog folks take their dog through the test and many folks use "CGC" as a title for their dog. A service dog must be able to pass tests that are MUCH harder and more involved than this test.

Neither of these programs is for the certification of service dogs and neither makes a dog a service dog or gives public access rights. Neither title means somebody can take their dog on a cruise ship.

AAAAmerican
June 4th, 2008, 02:39 AM
Yes some of what you posted is correct. I did not say different...

If you read what I said below here..you would know more. Being curt helps nobody.

The Club also was the First in A.K.C. American Kennel Club. Also the largest of its kind. First Dog had/has many members with different abilities as well World Titles from not just the US ..AKC.. But Canada, Bermuda..UK..Etc..Etc..:cool:

They are and have been on TV Movies Commercials etc..etc...

It is appreciated you took the time and trouble showing everyone what some things may mean.. and think...there is never enough time to help all souls learn ..

New Jersey is very well known in animals ..Seeing Eye in Morris County, NJ etc... NJ is the Horse State! The Egg State! Etc...

Did you see the recent Montel Williams Show with Jake the Doberman and his trainer/owner/handler and friend?:cool:

This by the way is the first dog ever to obtain this training ability...:cool:

Have you ever heard of an American Illustrator who did so many nice things in Life Magazine, POST etc.. Norman Rockwell.. the illustration of the Boy Scouts and the Dog etc.. was from First Dog ..where located now and still...

Hope this gives you more information and its actual and factual..

Also again thanks for trying to help educate others .










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TDI is Therapy Dogs International, which is for pets who go to hospitals and nursing homes and such to visit people. These are NOT service dogs nor do they have ANY type of public access. In order to get into said hospitals/nursing homes, they must be invited in as a special circumstance. They are not allowed in stores, restaurants, etc. as they are not service dogs nor are they trained to do tasks for a disabled handler.

CGC is Canine Good Citizen, a simple test for pets that the American Kennel Club (AKC) oversees. This test has nothing to do with service dogs nor is it a title on a dog (like show titles) even though some service dog folks take their dog through the test and many folks use "CGC" as a title for their dog. A service dog must be able to pass tests that are MUCH harder and more involved than this test.

Neither of these programs is for the certification of service dogs and neither makes a dog a service dog or gives public access rights. Neither title means somebody can take their dog on a cruise ship.

Andar
June 5th, 2008, 02:10 AM
I am planning in taking my SD on a Mexican Rivera cruise in the fall. I know I have to get her international health certificate, which is no problem, through my vet.
Here are the questions/issues I have:
1) Princess has asked for a DOCTORS letter! :eek:
I thought this was in violation of ADA and cruise ships did fall under ADA when departing US ports. Is this not accurate? I did get one but I HATE having to explain all my medical issues with some clerk and having my private information faxed all over. :o
I don't want to make a big deal out of it and am tempted to just send the letter and "make nice" but then it ticks me off and I think, maybe I should call DOJ. :mad:
How would you handle it?
2) Princess wants a fax of her International Health Certificate now. But my understanding is Mexico needs them to be current within 7 days of the cruise.
How should I handle that?
BTW, at first I was told I could not bring my service dog because there were already 25 dogs booked and they had a "capacity". But then several supervisors up the chain saw the notation in my booking months and months ago that I had a service dog. So then she asked to fax in all this documentation ASAP.
I have cruised before getting my SD. Last time we cruised I was partnered with her, but did not bring her. I was miserable the whole time. :(
I felt like my family was babysitting me and I had no independence.
Forgive me for if I am repeating questions on the post. I did start at the beginning of the thread but only got to page 7 and figured I better skip to more recent information or experiences.
I love this thread and all the travel tips I have learned from you.
Thanks for any and all suggestions or help you can give me. :)

Quampapetet
June 5th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Yes some of what you posted is correct. I did not say different...

All of what I posted is correct, not just some of it. This topic is about service dogs on cruises, so when you came on here talking about pets and therapy dogs and how your club trains dogs, at least two people made the appropriate assumption that you were trying to talk about service dogs. Many ppl don't realize that therapy dogs aren't service dogs and don't have public access, so they either try to take their therapy dog places with them or they think those they see places belong there. The distinction must be made.

Being curt helps nobody.

Nobody was being curt. You made a post in a service dog thread about pets and therapy pet training and then somebody asked you what type of service dogs your club trains, thinking you meant the club trained service dogs because you said "qualifying dogs" in a thread about service dogs (which is also what at least one other person, myself, thought you referred to). The definition of the terms needs to be said so nobody thinks therapy pets are different from any other pets in regards to access with their handler. (And, yes, it really does happen where people either think or are told that they can take their therapy pet places with them like disabled people who need service dogs can.)

Quampapetet
June 5th, 2008, 11:10 PM
1) Princess has asked for a DOCTORS letter! :eek:

I thought this was in violation of ADA and cruise ships did fall under ADA when departing US ports. Is this not accurate? I did get one but I HATE having to explain all my medical issues with some clerk and having my private information faxed all over.



Yes, that is a violation of the ADA. Did you try explaining that to them? Is Princess the cruiseline that doesn't have a Special Needs desk? If so, just keep going up the chain. Try having them do a three-way call to the ADA Hotline with you. If that doesn't work, contact the DOJ yourself, but do be aware that it is not a quick process, so may not help depending on how soon your cruise is.

I don't want to make a big deal out of it and am tempted to just send the letter and "make nice" but then it ticks me off and I think, maybe I should call DOJ. :mad:



How would you handle it?



Princess has no right to know your legally confidential medical information. Just like they have no right to know any non-disabled person's medical information. (The info. includes medical history, doctor info., etc.)

You may want to tell them what IS allowed. They are allowed to ask three questions - you may want to fax them those questions with your answers to them. (They also may have a medical form for you to fill out and fax back.)

1. Are you disabled?
2. Is this your service dog?
3. What tasks has he been trained to do that mitigate your disability?

2) Princess wants a fax of her International Health Certificate now. But my understanding is Mexico needs them to be current within 7 days of the cruise.



How should I handle that?



Mexico's laws state the certificate should be within 72 hours before the start of travel. So, you will not have that certificate until within a few days of the cruise. Tell Princess that, as they may not be aware of Mexico's guidelines.

Also, are you sure they asked for the health certificate and not, say, the rabies certificate? That is something you can fax now (but should also bring a copy with you to the ship, as the ship doesn't always get the faxes/info. from shore).

BTW, at first I was told I could not bring my service dog because there were already 25 dogs booked and they had a "capacity". But then several supervisors up the chain saw the notation in my booking months and months ago that I had a service dog. So then she asked to fax in all this documentation ASAP.

That is interesting. Unless it is for safety reasons, which they should explain to you, they cannot put a limit on the number of service dogs. It sounds like you are going on the same cruise as some type of service dog convention/seminar/get-together. Have you tried Googling for information on which group it is, using your ship name and date? How funny that you would happen to be on that ship of all ships and dates! :)

I have cruised before getting my SD. Last time we cruised I was partnered with her, but did not bring her. I was miserable the whole time. :(



I felt like my family was babysitting me and I had no independence.



I can understand that. I'm glad you are bringing her this time!

Forgive me for if I am repeating questions on the post. I did start at the beginning of the thread but only got to page 7 and figured I better skip to more recent information or experiences.



I love this thread and all the travel tips I have learned from you.

Thanks for any and all suggestions or help you can give me.


What, is this a long thread of many, many pages?!?! :p Yeah, I guess we have had quite the discussion here! Glad you have gotten some tips and all.

Have you travelled with your SD before?

Do keep us updated on what happens with Princess - and what you find out about the potential SD group onboard!

Quampapetet
June 5th, 2008, 11:38 PM
Hey, I Googled and found out about what I assume is your cruise! There is a travel company that put together a Guide Dog cruise - Mexican Riviera, November 10-20, 2008, Star Princess. http://dimensionsintravel.ensembletravel.com/filemgmt_data/files/guide_dog_cruise_mexico_11_10_08.pdf


Also - wanted to add to my post above that perhaps Princess is asking for proof of your dog's vaccinations/titers, not the health certificate. Royal Caribbean asked me for such, so I faxed in my SD's rabies certificate and the results of her most recent titer test. They're going to have such info. when you get on the ship with the health certificate, so I figured it wasn't a big deal to fax them in (I keep copies of all our vet work, so already had the paperwork).

Andar
June 6th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Quam: thank you so much for your reply and reassurance. I think I was just totally overwhelmed (we are in the middle of selling our house, building another and moving out of my familiar community). :confused:
Once I read your post and calmed myself down, I wrote a letter and will fax it tomorrow to Princess with all the requirements except the International Health Certificate. This is how I addressed that issue:

"2) As you know, Mexico requires the International Health Certificate to be issues just days prior to the cruise, so I will not be able to fax it to you two full weeks prior to departure. I will, however, fax it to you as soon as we get it. We will also carry all Bailey's documentation on-board. In the meantime, attached is her vaccination records and recent veterinarian physical report clearing her to work. ";)

Thanks too, for posting the link to the TA that is hosting the guide dogs. I will contact them as well and let them know that I will also be bringing my SD, hopefully I can have off-leash time with the other dogs.
I can't tell you how helpful this thread has been. Looking forward to sharing experiences with other SD partners!

Quampapetet
June 7th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Wow, yeah, you are definitely under stress!!! I hope all goes well for you! :)

Hopefully Princess will realize their mistakes in asking you for the things they asked for and respond appropriately.

That would be great if the guide dog group lets you spend some doggy playtime with their dogs! I hope you get a positive response from them.

Remember whenever you come across a guide dog team (both on your cruise and in daily life) to let them know that you have a service dog near their guide dog, just so they'll know and be able to keep their dog from distraction. The same goes for anybody with a pet - please let guide dog teams know you have a pet near them, as they very well may not be able to see that your dog is there.

Also remember, for the cruise, to have fun!!! :)

Andar
June 7th, 2008, 09:36 AM
Thanks for the reminder, sometimes we are so focused on our dog and their behavior, we forget the needs of other handlers :o
I have had the chance to go go back and read a few more pages of this thread, I love when people share tips and recommendations for toys or websites. Keep them coming!

Quampapetet
June 7th, 2008, 06:26 PM
I could share a billion doggy Web sites with ya, LOL.

If you don't already know, there is a 20% discount for service dogs from PetFoodDirect.com. Contact them for the info. (I'm not going to post how to get it on a public forum, of course).

If your dog likes to chase or play fetch, a few pages ago or so I posted about a new toy that came out. It is called Ring Zinger. I forget the Web site, but you can find it via Google (or I think I posted it a few pages ago). It is a rubber ring that you throw via a device similar to those tennis ball throwers. The ring flies through the air a bit and then lands on the ground and rolls and hops for a long time. It is pretty neat!

For cute collars, a store I like is Muttropolis.com. That's where my girl's current collar - light pink with glittery purple butterflies - is from.

For car safety, the car harness we use is from Champion K-9, ChampK-9.com. It is an actual safety harness, not just a restraint that isn't made to protect a dog in a crash like most others on the market.

And, of course, PetEdge.com is a great place with good prices.

Andar
June 8th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Thanks again Quam, I just ordered the ring zinger. It looks like something she would really like.
I am aware of the SD discounts. Thanks.


Bailey is an aggressive chewer. One thing I got her that she loves and is so flexible is called the Chewber (google it).
We use it for a toy and a dish when traveling. :)

I will let you know how she likes the ring zinger, it should ship in 3-5 days.
So who is the next to sail on this thread?

Valentine's Mom
June 8th, 2008, 06:36 PM
Thanks again Quam, I just ordered the ring zinger. It looks like something she would really like.
I am aware of the SD discounts. Thanks.


Bailey is an aggressive chewer. One thing I got her that she loves and is so flexible is called the Chewber (google it).
We use it for a toy and a dish when traveling. :)

I will let you know how she likes the ring zinger, it should ship in 3-5 days.
So who is the next to sail on this thread?


Hi it is good to see you on the board. I haven't written much lately but I do read every day. I see from your picture that Baily is a small SD He is so cute. What kind of dog is she. I have a 10 pound Japanese Chin. There is another lady here from Canada that has a very small poodle for a SD. Do you have problems with people not believing that he is a SD because he is small? I do ALL of the time. She is a medical response dog and they don't have to be big.

I just thought I'd say hello and welcom to our thread.

Here is a picture of Valentine and me in Grand Turk. She is in her travel bag because when I try to walk her everyone steps on her. She has already had 1 bad experience that way and 1 bad leg so I let her ride. She and I do fine as long as she reminds me that she needs to check me out . I tell her she is an alful pushy nurse. LOL

Barbara

Andar
June 8th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Hi it is good to see you on the board. I haven't written much lately but I do read every day. I see from your picture that Baily is a small SD He is so cute. What kind of dog is she. I have a 10 pound Japanese Chin. There is another lady here from Canada that has a very small poodle for a SD. Do you have problems with people not believing that he is a SD because he is small? I do ALL of the time. She is a medical response dog and they don't have to be big.

I just thought I'd say hello and welcom to our thread.

Here is a picture of Valentine and me in Grand Turk. She is in her travel bag because when I try to walk her everyone steps on her. She has already had 1 bad experience that way and 1 bad leg so I let her ride. She and I do fine as long as she reminds me that she needs to check me out . I tell her she is an alful pushy nurse. LOL

Barbara

Thanks for the welcome, Barbara. I am glad you told me she was in her travel bag and not big and blue, LOL.

Acutally Bailey is bigger now. In my avitar picture she was still in training and still growing. Bailey is a Whippet. She weighs 25 pounds and has the typical whippet body type so people always think she doesn't get enough to eat.

Bailey is an alert dog which a lot of people can understand; but she is also my mobility dog. Not in the most common, way with a harness, but she defines my path to protect my left to compensate for visual deficits. She is my second whippet service dog. The ironic thing is we raised guide dog puppies for years; I never thought I would benefit so much from a service animal (I had a brain injury).

People do comment about her breed and say things like "I thought all service dogs were sheppards, labs, goldens, etc. So, I do take that opportunity to explain the come in all shapes and sizes and are trained for individual tasks.

Maybe there is more problems with people trying to pass their pets off as SD because we are seeing the talents of so many different breeds and the public is just becoming aware. I don't know, but it sure does impact those of us with smaller dogs. :mad:

Are you planning an upcoming cruise or have you taken Valentine on one in the past?

Valentine's Mom
June 8th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Thanks for the welcome, Barbara. I am glad you told me she was in her travel bag and not big and blue, LOL.

Acutally Bailey is bigger now. In my avitar picture she was still in training and still growing. Bailey is a Whippet. She weighs 25 pounds and has the typical whippet body type so people always think she doesn't get enough to eat.

Bailey is an alert dog which a lot of people can understand; but she is also my mobility dog. Not in the most common, way with a harness, but she defines my path to protect my left to compensate for visual deficits. She is my second whippet service dog. The ironic thing is we raised guide dog puppies for years; I never thought I would benefit so much from a service animal (I had a brain injury).

People do comment about her breed and say things like "I thought all service dogs were sheppards, labs, goldens, etc. So, I do take that opportunity to explain the come in all shapes and sizes and are trained for individual tasks.

Maybe there is more problems with people trying to pass their pets off as SD because we are seeing the talents of so many different breeds and the public is just becoming aware. I don't know, but it sure does impact those of us with smaller dogs. :mad:

Are you planning an upcoming cruise or have you taken Valentine on one in the past?

Andar, I think I know a whippet. They look a lot like a greyhound right? It is unbelivable just how special these dogs are and they give us love and lift our spirits no matter what. I don't know what I'd do without Valentine.
Valentine and I have been on 3 cruise lines and she has been on 6 cruises so far. We will be going on a T/A cruise with her in November. I havaen't been to Europe with her yet. I hope it doesn't prove to be too trying.

I think that the cruise you are going on with all of the other SDs is the one that John Heald was talking about. Since I have traveled with Valentine on Carnival several times he was asking for information on how the staff could help and anything special that I thought might help. You will have to let me know. I do hope that you enjoy your cruise.

Barbara and Valentine

Quampapetet
June 10th, 2008, 02:17 AM
Bailey is an aggressive chewer. One thing I got her that she loves and is so flexible is called the Chewber (google it).
We use it for a toy and a dish when traveling. :)

That sounds interesting - I'll have to Google it! Not sure I have heard of that one before.

We use the Outward Hound plastic folding "disposable" dishes when travelling. (They're cheap in price enough so that disposing of them isn't a problem, but they are sturdy and last a long time, so I don't dispose of them.) I keep one in my SD's pack at all times, too, for in case she needs water when we've been out a very long time (which definitely isn't often - and I don't water her inside public places, of course).

I will let you know how she likes the ring zinger, it should ship in 3-5 days.


Do let us know! My girl is a poo-poo pants when it comes to playing with toys outside. :rolleyes: I tried again to play with her today - she was a bit more interested in it than before and actually started to chase it once, but still hasn't really begun playing with it. I hope the more I try, the more she starts playing. Hopefully!!! 'Cause I think it is a cool toy, hehe. Guess I should play with it with my cousins' children this summer - I bet they'd like to chase it, LOL!!!! :p

Andar
June 10th, 2008, 12:02 PM
So, I have another question for those of you that cruise with your SD.
Do you bring your own life jacket for your dog?
I understand they provide them but I can't see how they would be able to fit.

Yes, Barabara, a whippet is shaped like a greyhound but about half as tall. Bailey has a very deep chest but a skinny waist. She wears a medium jacket but then we do have to make adjustments for her longer back and skinny waist.

Should I bring a life jacket for her, or do you think the ship's will fit?

Quampapetet
June 10th, 2008, 05:55 PM
I brought my dog's life jacket with us (I don't think Royal Caribbean has any dog life jackets, but I wouldn't want to use theirs, anyway). It is the Fido Float Coat that you can get from several catalogs, including KV Vet (I think), which has an IAADP discount if you're an IAADP member. It comes in yellow or orange and has a mesh bottom (belly area) and handle on top (coming from both sides, two nylon straps meeting together) and it has a float part that goes under the dog's cheekbones to help keep his head above water (something that's not on any other life jacket I've seen, but that I think would be important in a real emergency).

Remember not to let any life jacket (except inflatables) get squished (don't place any other objects on top of it) or it will loose buoyancy. So, take it on the plane, if you're going on a plane, as a carry-on and put it on the top of all other bags in the overhead compartment. (You might want to explain to the stewardess that you're going on a cruise/coming back from a cruise, just so she doesn't think you are so afraid the plane is going to crash, LOL!)

I do have photos from the muster drill that I took of my SD in her life vest, but I took them with the international cell phone that I borrowed from a family member and forgot to text or e-mail them to myself, so I have to do that still. They're pretty funny photos, though - a dog in a life vest and all! :)


BTW, when I was in high school, one of my friends had a Whippet pet. It was a beautiful dog!

Andar
June 11th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Okay, I am going to get my dog a lifejacket. Even if the ship has one, she will probably swim out of it. I like the idea of the jacket that helps keep the head up. Yes, I am also a memeber of IAADP.:)

Quampapetet
June 12th, 2008, 09:05 AM
Okay, I checked and it IS at KV Vet Supply. It is called Fido Float Coat - here's the link: http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/productr.asp?pf%5Fid=82529&gift=False&HSLB=False&mscssid=01FCB814FB1DD48E8A530878EC350555

It apparently only comes in orange now. At least your SD's jacket will match yours at the muster drill. I have the yellow version of the jacket, so my SD was in yellow while everybody else was in orange! (I got the jacket long before we knew we'd be going on a cruise. Actually, I thought we'd be going on the personal boat of family friends, but that never happened that year or the next, LOL. I thought the yellow would look better on my girl, so that's why I got it instead of the orange! Plus, my life jacket for kayaking is red, so the yellow goes better, although she's never been out kayaking 'cause I haven't done it in years partly due to the fact my kayak melted!)

wizard-of-roz
June 12th, 2008, 02:07 PM
Andar: Welcome! I'm so glad to see so many of us venturing out on cruises.

Brenda will be on her 10th cruise to Hawaii, in November, onboard the Golden Princess.

I always fax the following to: Rosella-Princess Fleet Medical Dept. 661.753.1307
1. Fleet Medical Passenger traveling with Service Dog Form
2. Dept. of Food and Agricluture Form (this has all immunization records and Vets signature)
3. Vet current examination receipt.
4. Rabies Vaccination Certificate
5. City Dog License Form
6. Permit form from CCI (with Tattoo number and training org. phone/add. With ADA rules)
7. Copy of my passport

I have NEVER had these papers within any certain date of departure to the Mexian Riviera (and, she's been there 7 times! On many different lines.) The paperwork and immunizations were ALWAYS CURRENT! Leaving no room for questions. And the authorities NEVER stopped us from entering.

Brenda is also a very aggressive chewer.....we give her Virbac C.E.T Oral Hygiene Chews. They clean her teeth/gums and breath, while allowing her the opportunity to get her fill of chewing on something.

I buy them from EntirelyPets.com.....along with her ear swabs to keep her ears free from dirt and wax. You can't find the Virbac Chews in a pet store. They're only found at the Vets and not all Vets carry them. Besides, they're way too expensive anywhere but online!!!

Have a wonderful cruise and please tell us all about it.

Andar
June 12th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Brenda is also a very aggressive chewer.....we give her Virbac C.E.T Oral Hygiene Chews. They clean her teeth/gums and breath, while allowing her the opportunity to get her fill of chewing on something.

I buy them from EntirelyPets.com

That is so funny Barbara I have Bailey on the Virbac C.E.T. and I too get them from entirelyPets.com. :D Matter of fact, we just got a couple of packages last week.

You cruise a great deal, do you have anymore coming up?

wizard-of-roz
June 12th, 2008, 07:51 PM
We are on the Golden Princess to Hawaii (two weeks), on November 12th. Then we do the Mexican Riviera, again, on April 18, 2009, on the Sapphire Princess.

I'll plan more in 2009, when we're onboard in November. I'd like to do more in Mexico and for longer than a week.

My DH thinks Princess food/shows/crew and staterooms are the best! I like HAL and Celebrity too! All of these lines have treated Brenda with the utmost respect!

Aren't the "chews" the best? Brenda loves, loves them. She'll do anything for one...She gets two a day; one in the am and one in the pm. They have really made a difference in her gums and teeth. The Vet is very impressed as to the condition of her teeth, for her age! And to not have bad breath, they're so worth it. I have everyone in my office, who has a pet, hooked on them!!!!!

I even pack them for our cruises. Although, she must have a tennis ball to chew on, when she's through and then a full bottle of water to wash it down....she has her ritual! It's not something I can give her on a long air flight or car ride. Unless I can give her the rest of her ritual to go with it!!!!!! So funny!

Andar
June 12th, 2008, 09:05 PM
We are on the Golden Princess to Hawaii (two weeks), on November 12th. !

Wow, we go out two days earlier out of San Francisco. We have often gone out of Long Bbeach or San Diego but when we get the opportunity to leave out of S.F., we take it. Instead of extra drive and motel time to get to the ship, we get extra days at sea. Love it.

The dogs rituals are really funny. Bailey will wait until I am brushing my teeth then try to come up behind me, without me seeing her, and hit me with her two front paw on the back of the knees. It is like a game of tag. Sometimes I hear her and turn around and say "gotcha" sometimes she wins and surprises me. When she wins she rans back to her bed and has this big smile on her face like , ha, ha, got YOU.

Then after I brush my teeth in the morning she gets hers brushed. At night she gets her dental chewy.

We love those routines.

Valentine's Mom
June 12th, 2008, 10:09 PM
That is so funny Barbara I have Bailey on the Virbac C.E.T. and I too get them from entirelyPets.com. :D Matter of fact, we just got a couple of packages last week.

You cruise a great deal, do you have anymore coming up?


Andar, We do tend to go on a cruise once or twice a year. This year we have a transatlantic coming up on November 6 on the Freedom. From Rome to Ft Lauderdale Next year we have a med cruise the we are doing a btob cruise back to ft Lauderdale. 28 days and I NEED the rest. We have never taken Valentine to Europe but David has been getting needed info.

Roz, or anyone with info on taking your dog to Europe with you please let me know,

Thanks,
Barbara

wizard-of-roz
June 13th, 2008, 12:36 PM
Barbara: You are a real traveler with Valentine.....It's much easier for you guys with those "littler" furry workers. My Brenda is like taking an extra "full person" and room and accomodations must be accounted for!

I wouldn't trade the inconvenience for anything!

Andar: You and Bailey are a trip. Did we actually have lives before these amazing friends came into them?

Here is some information for traveling to Europe with your SD.

You'll need:
1. Microchip (Brenda has a tattoo, they accepted that)
2. Rabies Vaccination
3. Blood draw for testing at an approved Lab for rabies serology
4. EU Certificate issued by USDA Accredited VET and endorsed by USDA-APHIS (ask your Vet.)
5. Tick and Echinoccoccus tapeworm treatments done 24-48 hours prior to checking in and recorded on the EU Certificate.

If you have any further questions about Europe and your dog - the person to contact is:
Liz Shickle Verterinary Officer
Animal Health
Heathrow Border Inspection Post - Live Animal
P-+44 (0) 208 759 7002 F + 44 (0) 208 564 8939
Elizabeth.Shickle@animalhealth.gsi.gov.uk (Elizabeth.Shickle@animalhealth.gsi.gov.uk)

You should have a much easier time than we did. Brenda's size was certainly a factor in getting her on and off the plane/boat/train/bus and going through security.:o I can't carry her through anything, can you carry yours through any of the inspections?

We will be going to London in January of 2009. As long as Brenda is willing and healthy I will let her experience everything she can. She's now 8 years old and should have retired 3 years ago, according to the standard retirement age of an SD with her responsibilities and her size.

She takes vitamins and Salmon Oil, every day. I look forward to at least 3 more years of assistance. Then, she'll retire, stay home with her "boyfriend", my DH and I'll apply to CCI for a successor dog! I want her to have a healthy and fun retirement!!!! :)

I've had her since was 2 years old (she stayed in the program an extra 10 months!) She became the dog who trains the dogs. She's an amazing leader!!!!

Then, we met and it was "true respect and love" at first sight.....they gave her up for me! We're a great team! ;)

Quampapetet
June 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Roz, or anyone with info on taking your dog to Europe with you please let me know,


Which countries? You can look up on each country's site sometimes, other times you have to check on a pet site, such as pettravel.com or other such sites, and then contact the country to make sure the regulations are correct/still correct/and there aren't any different regulations for service dogs. Your USDA-approved vet can also tell you the regulations, so give them a call.

Sundagger
June 17th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Hi - I just wanted to add a mention of a recent experience. I know very little about service dogs, just what I've learned from casual reading.

I was just at the Hearing Loss Association of America annual convention. It was held in Reno, at the Grand Sierra hotel - chosen in part due to them being a "dog-friendly" hotel. I saw at least eight hearing dogs and was surprised at the wide range of sizes/breeds. Some looked like what many people think of as traditional "seeing-eye dogs" - German Shepherds (I think). There were a couple of very small dogs, and one had to be a toy size of some terrier breed. (I'd think it would get tired quite easily from having to almost run to keep up).

Most of the people seemed to have a great relationship with their dog, except for one woman who seemed to be annoyed by her dog. It could have been just an unusual situation - I wouldn't judge from seeing them for less than an hour - but was yanking on her leash frequently.

The keynote speaker (and for a breakout session) was Ollie Cantos. Special Counsel for the Asst. Attorney General for Civil Rights. He seemed very serious and concerned about making the ADA work for those needing accomodation. He has been blind since birth, so knows the problems that people with disabilities face.

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Sundagger: Thank you for writing. Isn't it interesting how Service Dogs can come in so many different shapes and sizes!

CCI used to use Corgi's a lot because they fit into spaces so easily such as; airplanes (under the seat or on the lap); theatres, etc., etc.

However, not all men liked them because they wanted a more "manly" dog! I know of a gentleman who has a Corgi Hearing Dog and they are the most amazing team. I, personally love the Lab or the Lab/Retriever mix. CCI now uses the Lab and the mix in all their puppy programs.

Now, about the woman who was having "I'm the pack leader" problems......she was not having a very good day! Did you notice the vest the dog was wearing and who the training org. was?

I must say I've had occasions when Brenda and I are not "jelling!" That's the day (usually just moments, not a full day) that I put her in her crate or somewhere, away from me......I take a breather and then re-approach my dog skills and handling!

How your feeling and acting literally travels down the leash to the dog.....they know when you "off"! And, they will take advantage of it!

Dogs are always 2 years old (emotionally and mentally) and will always test yours and their limits.....sounds like this lady needed to re-adjust her calm, inner self!!!!

It's also wonderful to watch how easy it is to bring a mis-behaving dog into focus.....it just takes an assertive/fair leader to do it! :)

Do you have a Service Dog?

TiredSmile
June 17th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Hi everyone,

I just found this site thanks to google. My friend and I have been looking at taking a cruise. I have genetic connective tissue disease as well as type 1 diabetes. I also have a wonderful SD (my second) that assists with balance and alerts to low glucose levels. I was thinking of leaving him at home, but after finding this site and thread I feel much better about bringing him. He is very well traveled both here in the states as well as parts of Canada, and we go to Disney World 2 or 3 times a year, so I feel confident about his ability to handle a cruise environment. But still have a few questions that I hope you all can help me with:

Do you think there is a best in term of cruise lines when it comes to SDs?

If your dog can not get off at the port can you leave him in the room crated with a do not disturb on the door? Not sure if I would feel comfortable doing this, but wondering.

It's almost the end of June and we are hoping to book a cruise for July, how much time do we need to prepare in terms of documents needed?

Potty-ing? My SD is VERY particular and has been known to hold it for 2 days because he didn't like the spot offered. He will go on a variety of surfaces such as grass, sand, gravel, but we have never attempted to use a box. Is this a big problem, or will they generally just figure it out?

My friend and I are mid-twenties, on a budget and will be booking on discounter website like expedia/cheaptickets. After we book it, do I just call the cruise line and inform them I'll have a service dog with me? (this is what I do when I book airfare on those types of sites)

Thank you Thank you! Hopefully we'll be cruising soon.

PS He is certified by an ADI org, Susquehanna Service Dogs (Highly recommend them btw)

Sundagger
June 17th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Now, about the woman who was having "I'm the pack leader" problems......she was not having a very good day! Did you notice the vest the dog was wearing and who the training org. was?

I must say I've had occasions when Brenda and I are not "jelling!" That's the day (usually just moments, not a full day) that I put her in her crate or somewhere, away from me......I take a breather and then re-approach my dog skills and handling!

How your feeling and acting literally travels down the leash to the dog.....they know when you "off"! And, they will take advantage of it!

Dogs are always 2 years old (emotionally and mentally) and will always test yours and their limits.....sounds like this lady needed to re-adjust her calm, inner self!!!!

It's also wonderful to watch how easy it is to bring a mis-behaving dog into focus.....it just takes an assertive/fair leader to do it! :)

Do you have a Service Dog?


Hi Roz,

I assume this was an unusual situation - being among several hundred people in a large room - and the dog (who seemed very pleasant) and her owner just weren't getting along in that situation.

I don't have a service dog - I'm a cat person, although I've had pet dogs in the distant past:rolleyes: . So far, technology has kept up with my hearing loss. Until 10 years ago, all the companies were investing in making HAs smaller and less conspicuous. Then came the digital revolution and speech processing. Great advances. Now the industry is entering the Bluetooth world, along with further advances in speech processing and huge improvements in cochlear implants. And further advances in the prices of HAs. I haven't ruled out getting a hearing dog in the future, but at the moment I'd rather rely on technology.

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 04:19 PM
TiredSmile: Welcome! Welcome! Aren't Service Dogs the best thing since, well, since anything!!!!!!!

Let's start with the box.....Build it and they will go!!!!! Practice, practice, practice. That's what we did with Brenda. She had NEVER gone potty in a box before. You can buy some cheap 4x4 pieces (studs) at Lowe's. Nail them together; lay the trash bags (2) flat; put the 4x4 nailed square on top; fill it with wood shavings/sod/or paper pellets. And, start him using this. Once he gets used to it you'll be amazed at how easy it is to pick up or replace the stuff inside.

Don't forget to bring the plastic bags to pick up the pooh, on your cruise.

Princess uses wood shavings, and places the (cardboard 5x5) box in a closet close to your stateroom or on your veranda. They did not provide a recepticle for the plastic bag filled with pooh so we layed the bag outside the box and it was gone the next time we used the box.

Holland America uses a smaller box (3x4) and they placed sod in it. (Once your dog has gotten used to the box, it won't matter what size it is!) Again, they will place the box on your veranda or on an ouside deck. They don't use a closet. They provided a nice recepticle to place the plastic bag filled pooh.

NCL uses a larger box filled with mulch (the best one) and puts it in a closet near your cabin or on your veranda. They provided a nice recepticle to place the plastic bag filled with pooh.

Carnival uses paper pellets. It takes a while for Brenda to get used to them, they're hard to stand and walk on. We finally brought our own mulch to one ship and asked them to remove the pellets. They do not provide a recepticle.

Yes, you may leave your dog in the room. Carnival will give you a sign, to hang outside the room, that states "Do not disturb, Service Dog in room!"

On the other ships it's a good idea to let your cabin steward know whenever you do this.

Service Dogs know how to behave and how to be alone. We have NEVER left Brenda alone......she's by my side at all times. But, you can, if you want to.

Princess even supplied us with a "Doggie Life Vest!"

The ships are so accomodating to you and your Service Dog! They will NOT provide food, you must do that.

Celebrity offered to walk her for me and put the 4x4 box on an outside deck. I, of course, refused, but wasn't that nice?

My favorite cruiseline for Service dogs is......PRINCESS! They are all getting the idea of what to do and how to act. So, I really like them all, now.....in the beginning it was not always this way.....they were learning, like any public venue, they were a bit slow. But, it's much better now!!!!

Go cruising with your SD have fun; venture out......



I do not bring Brenda's crate, you won't have to either.

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I forgot to mention: Each cruiseline will ask you to pre-fax all the information about your Service Dog to their "Special Needs" department.

Be sure to have an Agricultural Inspection From (given by your Vet). It has all the information that the Immigration Authorities will need to know about your dog.

Also, have a copy of your Passport any city license or certification (it never hurts to have it all, if you have it), it certainly shuts down anyone who is not familiar with Service Dogs and the laws that pertain to Public Access!:)

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 04:25 PM
Agricultural Inspection FORM! I hate fast spelling and the errors that go with it!!!!!!!!!!

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 04:48 PM
Sundagger: A "Hearing Cat".... Now, there's a concept....maybe something in the future!

This would be a good time for a Hearing Dog. Not really a waiting list...CCI is training them right now, more often and having more graduates than ever.

If you re-think your position and needs call them......1-800-572-BARK.

S.S. Cruisers
June 17th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Roz: This is off topic, well kinda. I just wanted to say I love Brenda's avatar. We have a handsome yellow, 110lb. boy. He will be 13 years old in December and is also the highlight of our lives. He is not a sd but has been with us since he was 6 weeks old. Talk about running the house. My sister has a 6 year old chocolate lab. He's also a beauty.

We did the 14 day round trip to Hawaii in 11/06 and met a lovely sd and handler. They were welcome every where and made a big hit.

Have wonderful travels with your dear friend and give her a hug for me.

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 06:01 PM
S.S. Cruisers: Well, you have got me tearing! What is that thing? Someone just has to mention Brenda, how beautiful she is and share something about their own beloved, furry children and I'm tearing.

Brenda is 73 lbs and solid. I didn't get to enjoy her as a pup. I got her when she was 2 years old. I missed out on a lot of wonderful stuff. We're making up for it with all our cruises and travels.

Your boy is 110lbs, wow! He must be gorgeous!!!!! And, the best part is 13 years old! I'm impressed, you're a wonderful caretaker! I baby Brenny so much, even for a hard worker! I pray she lives a very long life!!!!!

I'm truly looking forward to our round trip to Hawaii, in November. Brenny loves the ocean and walking out on deck. She raises her nose in the air and gets in every last ounce of ocean breeze and sea mist!!!!!! She's truly an old sea dog!!!!

Take care and thanks so much for sharing!

S.S. Cruisers
June 17th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Roz: Yes, we take very good care of our four legged "kids". We had a doberman that lived to be 16 years old. We also had a himalayan kitty that was 21 years old. She was strictly indoors and lived a very good life. Our boy is also solid. His name is Renogade or Reno for short. He just got a new kitty in December, she will be 1 year old in July. She stands on her two hind legs and goes after him without any fear. He just looks at her. I take a copy of a picture of each of them when we cruise. Sits on the desk and I get to look at them when we are in the cabin.

My sister bought me the book "Marley and Me." I read the whole book through tears and realize my boy is getting to that age. It will kill us when something happens to him. He's been the best dog. But lets talk about the happy times and the great joy they have and will give us.:)

Nancy

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 06:32 PM
Nancy: I loved "Marley and Me", I can't wait for the movie. I read it onboard the Diamond Princess. Great reading!

Brenny is 8 years old (considered a senior with her service org.) She can work as long as she is willing and able. I want her retirement to be filled with good health and some more fun. But, as long as she gets off her bed and meets me at the door, she's going where I go. I know she'll let us know when she's done and when she's ready to stay home with PaPa. Then I'll go for a successor dog but not until Brenny's ready.

Maybe we'll see you one day, onboard the many cruises that we take. You'll know us....we're the ones with the beautiful black Lab.

Lots of Love and Licks,
Roz & Brenny

S.S. Cruisers
June 17th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Love and licks always welcome! That would be great to meet someday. We stick to west coast, dh doesn't fly. We also have custody of our 5 year old grandson. Reno bosses him around and tells on him like no tomorrow. Grandson says, "Reno won't leave me alone!"

wizard-of-roz
June 17th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Nancy: Too cute! Grandson being raised by Grandparents and one big dog! How lucky is he!

Andar
June 18th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Roz, I faxed all my paperwork to access coordinator. I haven't heard anything back so do I assume everything is okay at this point?

wizard-of-roz
June 19th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Perfect, unless there's a problem you won't need to hear back.

Immediately after you board the ship, visit the "information or Purser's desk and ask them where the "potty box" has been placed, ask them to have someone physically take you to it. Unless, of course they state that it was placed on your veranda!

Make sure that you have copies of all his/her documentation with you, all the time. I actually had to show a policeman, in Mexico, all of Brenda's papers before he would let me get into a taxicab with her! I keep a copy of everything in a zippered pouch that fits into my packback and or my purse.

You're going to have so much fun.....look out for the "secret patters!" These are people who will reach out to just grab one little pat. They're all missing their own fur-babies that they had to leave at home with baby sitters or at the kennel. I put Brenda in a "sit" or a "down/stay" position and then I allow them to touch her!

Andar
June 20th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Thank, Roz, now I can focus on our move.

wizard-of-roz
June 20th, 2008, 01:21 PM
Darcie: You are so welcome! I hope your move goes well!

When you take that cruise please write about it and let us know how it went!

sunshine426
July 1st, 2008, 12:55 PM
Nancy: I loved "Marley and Me", I can't wait for the movie. I read it onboard the Diamond Princess. Great reading!

Brenny is 8 years old (considered a senior with her service org.) She can work as long as she is willing and able. I want her retirement to be filled with good health and some more fun. But, as long as she gets off her bed and meets me at the door, she's going where I go. I know she'll let us know when she's done and when she's ready to stay home with PaPa. Then I'll go for a successor dog but not until Brenny's ready.

Maybe we'll see you one day, onboard the many cruises that we take. You'll know us....we're the ones with the beautiful black Lab.

Lots of Love and Licks,
Roz & Brenny

I just finished a book called "Paws and Effect". It is about the healing power of dogs and has quite a bit about service dogs. The orginization I volunteer with is mentioned as is the orginization I believe Brenda came from.

dvdfreakmc
July 3rd, 2008, 07:39 AM
If you are looking for another good book on service dogs try: Love Heels: Tales from Canine Companions for Independence. If Marley and Me made you cry, then get out the box of tissues. It is GREAT!

sunshine426
July 3rd, 2008, 11:26 AM
If you are looking for another good book on service dogs try: Love Heels: Tales from Canine Companions for Independence. If Marley and Me made you cry, then get out the box of tissues. It is GREAT!

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to check it out.

wizard-of-roz
July 3rd, 2008, 12:51 PM
Peter: Thanks for the tip about the book....I'm going to research it now....Just what I need another week of tears.....Brenny has had a yeast infection in both her ears. She had absolutely no symptoms of ear problems, other than some black stuff that was coming out when I'd do her normal ear cleaning (which is, at least, every other day!)

We took her to the Vet last Thursday for her normal, yearly checkup and he discovered the infection in both ears (very indicitive of Labs)....he was apalled, as were we, at how severe it was and she was displaying absolutely no symptoms. He said she's a very brave and tough girl and that I'd better keep my eyes on her even more closely than I do because she, obviously, has a very high tolerance for pain. Well, after two injections, deep cleaning with ear swabs and an ear lavage, I was sent home with Prednisone, anti-fungal pills and a liquid antibiotic to squirt into her ears twice a day.

Don't ask; my beautiful, calm, patient, happy, playful, carefree, loving Service Dog was turned into a; restless, depressed, weakened, fatiqued, anxiety ridden mop of a dog!!!!! Who couldn't drink enough water, subsequently going to the bathroom every hour on the hour and would look at me with her big brown eyes, begging me to help!!!!!! I lay with her, on her couch, with her head in my lap stroking her face and singing to her!

The steroids are taking away the inflammation and her beautiful personality.....it's very painful to watch and as you can imagine, the past week has been horrendous for all. I haven't slept well, either has she.....I'm up checking on her every few hours....she's acting so differently that my fears were that she'd die while I was sleeping......I know, I know a bit overly dramatic but I can't tell you how important she is in my life, my heart and my soul and watching her like this is the worst!

She starts tapering off the steroids today and won't be completely off of them for another two weeks. As you know, you just can't stop them "cold turkey"! Hopefully, my beautiful girl will re-appear as soon as she's totally off of them.

I don't know if I would ever let a doctor put her on steroids again.

Okay! I'm sorry for going on-and-on......and, I'm sure you've all had some sort of health issues with your dogs but it still doesn't take away the anxiety of it all......(at least for me!)

I raised three children and helped to raise 6 grands.....you'd think I'd toughen-up by now!!!!!! GEEEEZZZZZ!!!!:o

wizard-of-roz
July 3rd, 2008, 12:57 PM
I know what's wrong......Brenny hasn't cruised sinced April.....And, our next one isn't until November.

The cure for everything......CRUISING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! :D

dvdfreakmc
July 3rd, 2008, 05:24 PM
Poor Bren and poor you! That sounds terrible. Luck beyond luck, nothing has gone wrong yet with Werin (except our constant struggle with weight and keeping her close to target). She's 5 now and still going strong.

You're right -- cruising is the ticket -- maybe you can sneak off to the Eurodam. The posts this week look really great.

wizard-of-roz
July 3rd, 2008, 05:48 PM
Peter: Thanks for the good wishes!! Werin is young and you really did get lucky! By the time Brenny was 2 she had had one cancer surgery (on her leg), (about 2 months after we got her home from Team Training) and 1 other ear infection although not as severe as this one and has grown several tumors in her rib cage and tummy (they're benign and are examined often.)

Eventually, if the tumors grow larger, she will have to have surgery! It's no big deal, you can't see them, they don't bother her....it's the Lab thing - along with easy weight gain and ear infections. :(

My next service dog will be a Chihuahua!!!!!! :p

Quampapetet
July 4th, 2008, 02:43 AM
I hear y'all. I'm going through a health problem with my SD right now, too. Am trying to wait patiently for the results of the blood work (complete testing for the issue - the first test showed there was a problem, this round will show what exactly it is and if it is what I think it is [and hope it is, as it is the much better of the two things it can be], what the treatment will be). It definitely is not fun!!!

I wonder where the vets are going on vacation this year - I think I'm paying for it! LOL!!!!!!!! ;)

S.S. Cruisers
July 4th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Roz and the others with fur baby illness'. They are worst than our kids because they can't tell us what hurts! My heart hurts for all the babies. My big guy is laying in the kitchen on the tile floor trying to stay cool. He only goes outside when he has too. 107 and above the last couple of days. It just drains him. He does have a wading pool and steps in it and splashes water on his tummy with his front paws. Prayers and good wishes for fast recovery of your babies.

Nancy

Quampapetet
July 6th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Thanks, Nancy!

wizard-of-roz
July 7th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Nancy: Thank you for the good wishes and especially the "hang in there", and "I totally understand" attitude. Living in southern California certainly is not as hot as where you live but with the heat waves we've been having, Brenny stays pretty much in the air conditioned environment, with me!!!!! I love watching dogs when they languish in wading pools......they're so cute!!!!!!

Truly, only people who have and treat their "fur" working-babies as well as they treat their children would really get it!!!!!

Quam: I'm so sorry that you're going through the trauma's and expense of illness for your service-baby! I hope she's better by this writing and that the diagnosis is an easy "fix!" Well, it's never easy but it can be less traumatic if it's a "common illness!" Whatever that is. We too, are budgeting much differently with the expense of Brenny's illness!!!!!!

Brenny is now on a lower dosage of Prednisone but still on her anti-fungal meds, it seems to be a more tolerable dosage for her and she's not quite as weak, restless or depressed!!!!! She's still drinking water like a fish and going potty every hour on the hour (I guess that goes with the territory!)

I get more of a response from her and she has less of that "who am I and what am I doing here" stare/glaze in her eyes!!!!!! I would tear-up everytime I would look into those big brown eyes of hers!!!

Again, thanks to all of you, who help each of us get through either our cruising problems and antics with our dogs or the illness's and challenges that go with "life with a dog!" :)

sunshine426
July 7th, 2008, 04:39 PM
I am so glad to hear that Brenda is feeling a little better. Having taken high doses of steroids for long periods in the past, I understand how the poor baby is feeling. Hungry, Thirsty, Irritable, Cant Sleep...... My heart hurts for her. Quam: I hope your furry friend adjusts well. My own dog (who serves as a foster sister to service dogs) just had a steroid shot for her annual summer itchy skin and is on antihistamines. So, freqeunt trips outside, lot's of water and some medicated baths. Please keep posting abt all your adventures with your service dogs. It makes what I do even more special to me. :)

wizard-of-roz
July 7th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Thank you, Sunshine, please don't stop doing what you do! Without wonderfully giving and loving folks like yourself, there wouldn't be service dogs and the people who need them would be truly lost!:)

Brenny, our DH and I are planning for our 2 week RT to Hawaii, in November. I'm getting some more Hawaiian shirts for us and some silk Lei's for her. I know we have lots of time....but, you know how that goes by so quickly! :o

The packing for Brenny will definitely be more intense and thoughtful. The longest cruise she's been on is 8 days.....14 days will be a true test in not forgetting anything for her. Last time I didn't bring enough CET Chews and had to go to the Purser's Desk to have them cut into smaller pieces (so they would last the rest of the week!) They had to use an electric cutter......I've learned my lesson on that one!!!!! :(

Just like we make a list for ourselves....I'm now making lists for her!!!! And, to think I raised 3 kids......;)

Stay cool and enjoy the rest of your summer!

Valentine's Mom
July 7th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Roz, I'm glad that Brenny is doing a little better. I use to be a people nurse and could deal with anything people go through but when our fur babies are sick or in trouble I just go to mush and am good to no one. I do know that when you have a an infection the doctor always says drink drink drink. So, if you can think of each trip outside to potty as the infection being flushed right out of her system it may help you deal with it emotionally. Valentine had some kind of an skin infection last year that even the doctor didn't know what it was and did all kinds of tests:( and still didn't know. We took her to a doggy dermatologist and he did even more tests and never did find out exactly what it was but the medicine he have us did get rid of it after about 6-8 months. Poor baby was itchy but wouldn't do it in front of me and would hid under the table and chew her fur off.:eek: She lost a lot of fur. She was actually bald in a couple of places! Not good for a long haired dog.

It has been hot here too. Several days this season it's been well over 100 degrees. Valentine and I tend to stay inside the A/C however, we did get her a vest that you soak in water to keep her cool and it does seem to keep her cool. We have used it on cruises to the Virgin Islands and it seems to keep her cool so we just have to talk her into drinking. For some reason she has a problem with drinking around others.:rolleyes:

Quam we are all waiting to hear from you how your girl is doing. I sure hope that she is better too.

Barbara

sunshine426
July 7th, 2008, 09:49 PM
Thank you, Sunshine, please don't stop doing what you do! Without wonderfully giving and loving folks like yourself, there wouldn't be service dogs and the people who need them would be truly lost!:)

Brenny, our DH and I are planning for our 2 week RT to Hawaii, in November. I'm getting some more Hawaiian shirts for us and some silk Lei's for her. I know we have lots of time....but, you know how that goes by so quickly! :o

The packing for Brenny will definitely be more intense and thoughtful. The longest cruise she's been on is 8 days.....14 days will be a true test in not forgetting anything for her. Last time I didn't bring enough CET Chews and had to go to the Purser's Desk to have them cut into smaller pieces (so they would last the rest of the week!) They had to use an electric cutter......I've learned my lesson on that one!!!!! :(

Just like we make a list for ourselves....I'm now making lists for her!!!! And, to think I raised 3 kids......;)

Stay cool and enjoy the rest of your summer!


We were on a 15 day cruise to Hawaii a few years ago. I would think that this would be great cruise for a SD as well. Lot's of time with her/his people, regular walks on the promenade deck. a somewhat regular schedule, balcony sitting time, pool time, cocktails. ooops I guess I am thinking about a perfect cruise for me. LOL
Thanks for the encourgement for my work with SD. I just love it, and can't think of anything I would love more.

wizard-of-roz
July 8th, 2008, 12:36 PM
Barbara, isn't that the truth.....Something about "those eyes", "that tail" and the body language......I"m so done, when I look into her eyes....she's got me....I fall for the fur.....and, she can have anything she wants!!!!!!!!

Leona Helmsley left her millions to her dog...She was an evil witch to every human she ever encountered but adored her dogs..What a smart lady!!!!!!! Just kidding......

My heart is lifting as my girl is going down, down, down on her Prednisone and the "real Brenda" is starting to appear, again!

:) WELCOME HOME MY SWEET, DEAR BRENNY, STAY HEALTHY :)

Quampapetet
July 10th, 2008, 03:39 AM
Thanks, everybody, for your well-wishes!

Turns out, the first test was either messed up or it was a temporary thing or something, as the full panel of tests came back all normal! :) So, no meds! I'm very glad, even though they weren't that expensive, they would've been life-long. It is really weird how it turned out, but I'm happy!

wizard-of-roz
July 10th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Quam: What a relief, is right! I'm sure you're very happy! And, so are we!

Well, I spoke too soon, about Brenny. She's starting to show symptoms of the Prednisone. More than she had on my last writing. She's having a lot of joint pain (exhibited by her refusals to jump into my car and to not stand on her hind legs, to reach things on the counter, etc.) It's very difficult for me to watch this, in her!

She's always been the "first" one to reach the counter and, I never have to give any command on entering my SUV.....this morning I had to physically lift her...she would rather lie down. She doesn't wimper or cry in any way....she, as I mentioned before, has an extremely high tolerance to pain...she just exhibits the "refusal"...many of you who work with Service Dogs will recognize it!!!!!

She sees the doctor, this morning and we'll see what he says. I don't think the symptoms are permanent (please, NO!!!) Once she's totally off the dosage (which is now down to 1/2 tablet every other day) along with Nizoral (anti-yeast) medication, I'm praying she will improve. We'll see!

Maybe the doctor will take her off of everything!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, then she can start coming back as herself......I'll let you know!!!!!!

I don't sleep much...I get up severa times to just observe her.......I'm going to start exhibiting "refusals" pretty soon!!!!!!:o

dobiemom
July 11th, 2008, 12:11 PM
I know what's wrong......Brenny hasn't cruised sinced April.....And, our next one isn't until November.
The cure for everything......CRUISING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! :D

Hi Roz! We met on the Golden Princess last November and on the Oosterdam this past April. I’m so sorry to here about Brenda’s illness. I hope she (and you!) is doing better.

The other day in the mall I stopped at the Build-a-Bear Workshop store. Guess what? They have a “Helping Paw Black Lab!” I thought of Brenda right away! http://www.buildabear.com/shop/productdetail.aspx?ProductSKU=13381_13380_10901_13 393_13400&Category=lab&CallingPage=ProductSummary (http://www.buildabear.com/shop/productdetail.aspx?ProductSKU=13381_13380_10901_13 393_13400&Category=lab&CallingPage=ProductSummary)

I agree that the cure for everything is cruising. Unfortunately, I don't have any planned, just FCCs for both Princess and HAL. My friend, Kerith who was with me on the “O” is going on the Golden Princess 4 weeks after you. I told her she was going to love it!

BTW: Another book that’s a tear-jerker is, “Rescuing Sprite” by Mark Levin. He usually doesn’t write this type of book (he’s a lawyer, talk radio host, and writes other stuff) but this one is from the heart. He also donates a portion of his proceeds from the sale of this book to animal shelters.

Anyway, say hi to Morey and give hugs and kisses to Brenda.
Marcia

wizard-of-roz
July 11th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Marcia: Hi! How nice to hear from you. Of course I remember you! Morey still has the gift that you brought to the CC gathering and the lovely little frame that you gave us for our Anniversary is hanging in my office and I'm looking at it as I write this. (Of course, there's a picture of my dear, sweet Brenny in it!) You are such a warm and friendly person, how could I forget?

Thank you for asking about "Brenny". Her visit to the doctor went very well! Other than the fact that I had to pick her up to enter my car (SUV). She was so weak from the steroids, she could hardly stand.....This is so unlike my girl. She's usually a fireball of energy....not now!!!! It makes me tear every time I look at her.

The doctor saw, immediately, that she was acting differently and noted in BIG, BOLD letters, in her chart, that she is "hyper-sensitive" to Prednisone and, in the future if (God forbid) she needs this medicine again, he would make sure that she is given very low doses of it!!!!!!! He took her off of everything (her ears look very good), there seems to be no residual damage. The only difference for her is she will have to have ear lavages once a month, forever. I can handle that!!!!!! A nurse had to accompany me to my car to help me lift her into it!!!!!

This morning she's still a bit lethargic but the doctor told me it would take a few days for the medicine to completely leave her system. She's not drinking water like a fish and needing to go potty every half hour or appearing to be restless and agitated anymore.......there's a light at the end of this tunnel!!!!!!!

To all of you who have written me and who sent your good wishes to my girl........THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Marcia, come on....hop onboard the Golden to Hawaii!!!!! :) We leave on November 12th.

Quampapetet
July 12th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Quam: What a relief, is right! I'm sure you're very happy! And, so are we!

Thanks! And, yup, very happy here! :)


Well, I spoke too soon, about Brenny. She's starting to show symptoms of the Prednisone. More than she had on my last writing. She's having a lot of joint pain (exhibited by her refusals to jump into my car and to not stand on her hind legs, to reach things on the counter, etc.) It's very difficult for me to watch this, in her!

So sorry that she is having to go through this!!!! :( I read your most recent message before replying to this one to see if you'd updated on her, so I'm glad to see that she is off the med now. Hopefully she will get better very soon!


She's always been the "first" one to reach the counter and, I never have to give any command on entering my SUV.....this morning I had to physically lift her...she would rather lie down.

Holy cow, isn't she a big dog?! Not so fun for you to have to lift her! And poor doggy.

You don't have a command to get into the car? Do you have one for getting out? Commands for these, especially getting out, are for safety reasons. I always use the commands and especially do not allow her to get out of the vehicle (mine is an SUV, too, and others' vehicles that we frequent are an SUV, mini-SUV, and car) without the command.

She doesn't wimper or cry in any way....she, as I mentioned before, has an extremely high tolerance to pain...she just exhibits the "refusal"...many of you who work with Service Dogs will recognize it!!!!!

Yeah, unlike humans, dogs only show their pain (a weakness, in the animal world) under very extreme circumstances. Otherwise, showing such a weakness leaves them (in their world/minds) prone to be prey or overtaken.

Hopefully she'll be back to her normal self very, very soon!!

Quampapetet
July 12th, 2008, 04:34 AM
The other day in the mall I stopped at the Build-a-Bear Workshop store. Guess what? They have a “Helping Paw Black Lab!” I thought of Brenda right away! http://www.buildabear.com/shop/productdetail.aspx?ProductSKU=13381_13380_10901_13 393_13400&Category=lab&CallingPage=ProductSummary (http://www.buildabear.com/shop/productdetail.aspx?ProductSKU=13381_13380_10901_13 393_13400&Category=lab&CallingPage=ProductSummary)



Very cute! I looked around the Web site and see that you can buy all those accessories separately, so you can build a dog of a different breed (they offer a few) and still have it wear a vest and have a bowl and bed (or dog house, even). And the dogs have magnets in their mouths so they can "hold" the set of three dog toys (sold separately) in their mouths - very cute idea!

I just might have to steal my cousins' kids and take them to this store one day (though I know they have been there before...). ;)

S.S. Cruisers
July 12th, 2008, 01:28 PM
Hi everyone:
Haven't been around, just been so busy but summer school ended so have a few weeks of only 1 1/2 jobs, whewwww.

I am so glad all the fur babies are doing better. Poor Brenny. I know the feeling. The last time the babysitter had Reno, she had to lift him her truck because he just couldn't get in. She twisted her back and I felt so bad. You recall my boy weighs in at 110 lbs! :eek: She has been babysitting him for 9 years now, so he is like one of her own.

Anyway, if anyone can appreciate this, I know this group can. When we shopped for a new vehicle I completely had Reno in mind. It would break my heart when he couldn't get up into the truck anymore. He has never liked anyway helping him by lifting hind quarters. I bought a little 4 door compact car. Bought a quilted car seat cover and he is in heaven. Can climb up alot easier. fortunately we don't have to go bye bye often.

His human Auntie was down for a couple days and spoiled him to death. She must have dumped his pool water 4 times a day! He would just go get in the dirt and muddy it up again.

Well enough for one posting. Everyone have a great weekend and give all the fur babies hugs and kisses for me.

Nancy

dobiemom
July 13th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Marcia, come on....hop onboard the Golden to Hawaii!!!!! :) We leave on November 12th.

Roz, I would LOVE to be on the Golden again, especially to Hawaii AND seeing Brenda (and of course you and Morey) again. Unfortunately, I have a business conference in Orlando during that time. But I know we'll see each other again someday!
Marcia

dlbutler5
July 13th, 2008, 10:21 PM
I was wondering how Brenny was. I'm at David's computer but it's really me Valentine's Mom. I know what It's only been a shout time since you last post but I have had her on my mind all day. Everytime I say that Brenny is sick Valentine tips her heas gives a little whine and puts her head on my lap. I think she thinks that she is sick and going to the vet. Please let Brenny know that she has fans her in VA and want her to feel her best.:D

Quampapetet
July 14th, 2008, 03:17 AM
Roz or anybody else, have you (and your SD) ever gone on the Norwegian Gem? I saw it on "What Not to Wear" the other day (they did an episode on a cruise on that ship) and it looks so colorful and fun. If you have been on it, what was access like? Potty box?

Thanks!

wizard-of-roz
July 14th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Quam: Brenda's commands for entering a car are "Car" or "Jump".....she never, never, never leaves the car until I give her the "Off" or "Down" or "Jump" command......when I open her door I always say "Wait", until I'm ready to command her to leave the vehicle. Not leaving a car until commanded to do so is very engrained in well trained Service Dogs!

We've done the Norwegian Star and they were very accomodating with placing Brenny's box, filled with mulch (the biggest box on any cruiseline), in a closet right down the hall from our cabin. They were very, very nice to us!!!!!

Marcia: I know we'll see each other again.....

Nancy: Your stories of "Reno" are wonderful!

Barbara: Please tell Valentine "Thank You" for caring so much about my girl......Or for the "head-tilts", of which I love!!!!!

Brenda is still very, very weak as of this writing and is still having a hard time getting into my car. She is trying to do her usual "jump" but falls short with her hind legs....that's where I come in. And, yes she weighs 75 pounds.....not as big as some but bigger than most! The doctor said that he doesn't think that the weakness will last and for some dogs it could take as much as 10 days to 2 weeks to regain their strength after prolonged Prednisone use! Never again!!!!! :mad:

I've ordered a ramp for her from Drs. Fosters & Smith......I can't wait til it gets here.....it will make hers and my life much, much easier!!!!!!! If she gets stronger and doesn't need it, at least I'll have it for her "old age!"

Andar
July 14th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Roz, I sure hope Brenda is feeling better.

I was just catching up on this thread as I had been away awhile.
We moved. We were actually "homeless" for awhile as the old house was closed earlier and the new house later than expected. No compliants, we are so fortunate to have sold in this market. Plus, we did the only thing two retired people and a dog could do - went on vacation!

Unfortunately, it was not a cruise, but we did have a new experience for Bailey (and me). We got to go to Universal Sudios in Hollywood. I had always wanted to go. Bailey even rode on some rides. :D It was really neat. We did buy the VIP pass which made all the difference in me being able to go or not.

We are now almost settled in our new house. How come there are more boxes to unpack then there were to pack?

Anyway hope everyone else is doing well and all our partners are back in good health. I have worried so much about the smoke from all the fires around us in Northern California.

Quampapetet
July 15th, 2008, 03:15 AM
Quam: Brenda's commands for entering a car are "Car" or "Jump".....she never, never, never leaves the car until I give her the "Off" or "Down" or "Jump" command......when I open her door I always say "Wait", until I'm ready to command her to leave the vehicle. Not leaving a car until commanded to do so is very engrained in well trained Service Dogs!

We use "load up" and "out". And, of course, she waits in the car until "out" is given, no matter how long it takes.


We've done the Norwegian Star and they were very accomodating with placing Brenny's box, filled with mulch (the biggest box on any cruiseline), in a closet right down the hall from our cabin. They were very, very nice to us!!!!!

Nice! Thanks for the info. I may not ever go on the Gem, but it sure did look nice and it would be neat to go on it. If my friend ever does a cruise on it, I'd really think of going!

wizard-of-roz
July 15th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Darcie: What fun! Universal Studios (not the move!) Although, new homes and new adventures, in today's economic times, is a wonderful thing! You are a lucky woman! Congratulations on all the wonderful things happening in your life!

Quam: I hope you get to go on that cruise....It's always fun to cruise with our SD's!

Brenny is coming along....honestly, that would be the key words "coming along!" She's still not the girl I knew before the Prednisone! Isn't that amazing, how certain drugs can react on some dogs and some people for that matter!!!

She's still very weak. We purchased a ramp for her to use in entering and exiting my SUV! And, she's doing really well with it. She wasn't too sure of it, at first but got used to it after some "food coaxing!"

We pray that she'll return to her usual spunky self! :)

S.S. Cruisers
July 15th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Roz:
My heart hurts for Brenny. I just want to lay next to Reno. I tell him every chance I get that "Mommy loves him" and give him scratches on his head and nose. He still has some pep in him.

We bought Reno a ramp about 4 years ago. First time up he went like clock work. Unfortunately he would not come back down it. He sat in the motorhome for quite a while. Treats and the leash to go for a walk wouldn't even work. I finally had to take my little step stool and put it under the end the and make the ramp more level.

Hope all your fur babies are doing better. Hugs and kisses to all of them.

Nancy

wizard-of-roz
July 16th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Nancy: You brought tears to my eyes.....I lay down, next to Brenny and I put my head next to hers and kiss her all over her face.......I whisper in her ear to not ever, ever leave me!!!!!!! OMG! I'm crying as I write this......

Her weakness and inability to "jump" in and out of my car is still there. The ramp is wonderful....it can either be used in the short version (which has more incline) or, it can telescope (which gives it a more level feel)...time-out....I have to go wipe my eyes............:o Okay! I'm back.....Now, I have to smile because she's laying down, in her crate, in my office and she's snoring so loudly that she's vibrating the floor!!!!! So cute!!!!!!!!

She is using the ramp, as if to say, "thank you for thinking of me!"

Be well everyone.......And, again, thank you so, so much for all your encouraging words....

YOU mean so much to me and my girl!!!!!! ;)

S.S. Cruisers
July 16th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Roz:
Reno has slept in a crate since he was 6 weeks old. His first one he borrowed from his sister (Himalayan Kitty) Katmandu. She lived to be 21 years old. She was strictly an indoor kitty and was the best. But we finally got a new kitten, she is very active not afraid of anything. Stands on her two hind legs and slaps at Reno. He just looks at her.

I didn't mean to make you tear up. Some people just don't understand how much our fur babies mean to us.

Does Brenny tell time? Reno comes to me or Papa everyday around 2:30 for his snack. Then back again around 4:00 or dinner. He gets me up at 4:30 a.m. to go potty, then 5:00 a.m for breakfast. Then he naps for awhile.

Gotta run, hope I'm not boring everyone about my adventures with the "Kids".

Nancy

wizard-of-roz
July 16th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Nancy: Brenny has a PaPa too! I've been calling my DH "PaPa" since we first met....I was about 18 years old and he was 25. I have no idea why....except that he's such an old soul and it just seemed to fit. Our kids got so used to it as they were growing up, it actually sounds funny when I call him by name (not too often!)

When I driving home from work, I always say, "let's go see PaPa", Benny's ears perk-up and her walk is brisker! Especially since she's been sick, I use "PaPa's" name a lot to encourage her to move along! She adores him and he feels the same! (He asks nothing of her other than her love, I ask her to work!)

Brenny knows how to tell time too! She can be in the deepest sleep and the time for her snack comes and, waahlah, she's up and staring at me. Same thing for breakfast and dinner. She'll nudge my DH at 4:30am, every day! What's up with that? And, how come she knows not to nudge me? Maybe it's because my mood in the morning is not so friendly!!!!!!! She's so smart!!!!:p

Andar
July 17th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Has anyone had their SD get sea sick while cruising??

Quampapetet
July 18th, 2008, 06:38 AM
Has anyone had their SD get sea sick while cruising??

No, but SDs can take prevention meds, too. Ask your vet about how much Dramamine or similar substance your dog should take. There is also the herbal remedy MotionEaze that is for both people and animals. You rub a few drops behind each ear on humans and in a similar spot for dogs. I don't know if it really does anything or not, but I did put it on my SD once every day of our cruise just in case. I put it on myself, too, sometimes more than once a day if I started feeling yucky or the motion of the ship got stronger. (I also took Bonine once each day, as I do get motion/seasick. That stuff really helped! I only felt sick a few times and it was tolerable - and no feeding the fishies.)

wizard-of-roz
July 18th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Great suggestions Quam and "feeding the fishies" how funny is that? :D

Brenny has never been sea or car sick. I don't know what we'd do if she was. We're always in our car or on a cruise. We just did a road trip from L.A. to Eugene, Oregon. She did very well.

And, cruising is my life........

It's very important to allow your SD time to potty and to walk a bit. It helps in "grounding" them either while their on a boat or in the car. On long road trips I stop every 2 hours and allow her some "motionless" time!

Andar
July 19th, 2008, 01:00 AM
Bailey has never gotten car sick so I will keep my fingers crossed. We just moved and so now I have to research and find a new vet. I am not looking forward to that experience. In addition to finding one that understands the needs of a SD, I have to get one that understands Whippets as a lot of vets don't understand their heart sounds and rate. :( Also they are very sensitive to medications.

Quampapetet
July 19th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Great suggestions Quam and "feeding the fishies" how funny is that? :D

I can't take credit for "feeding the fishies" - it is a phrase I've read elsewhere on these boards. :)

Quampapetet
July 19th, 2008, 07:17 AM
Bailey has never gotten car sick so I will keep my fingers crossed. We just moved and so now I have to research and find a new vet. I am not looking forward to that experience. In addition to finding one that understands the needs of a SD, I have to get one that understands Whippets as a lot of vets don't understand their heart sounds and rate. :( Also they are very sensitive to medications.

If you moved too far from your current vet (more than 45 min. drive is likely too far), find out if there is a Whippet rescue or breeder in your new area and see if they can recommend somebody.

Also, try searching the AAHA site for an approved vet first - or the VCA site, if you're an IAADP member wanting to use the discount card.

Andar
July 21st, 2008, 11:42 AM
Bought a life jacket for Bailey today. PPE had 50% off Outward Hound jackets. Now we are totally ready! :)

wizard-of-roz
July 21st, 2008, 01:09 PM
Darcie: Good job....that's the one that "Brenny" has! They look so cute in them....But, when I think about her chance falling into the ocean or God Forbid a real emergency....these vests will certainly keep them afloat. ;)

Andar
July 24th, 2008, 01:18 AM
It sure looks like it will do the trick. How can we ask them to help us with our life and not take equal care of them? I am getting excited now, but there is still over 100 days to go...

wizard-of-roz
July 24th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Darcie: I so agree........................

BRENDA - HEALTH UPDATE: SHE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The amazing, wonderful, laughing, giddy, playful, perky, bouncy, jumping-into-and-out of-the SUV girl IS BACK!!!!!!!!

She's eating, drinking, peeing, pooping and most of all working like her old self, again!!!!!!! It was 5 weeks of pure HELL for her..........

:) Thank you to everyone who had her in their thoughts and prayers!:)

I'm exhausted from it all but so, so thankful that it's behind us now.

We're cruising in November and I wasn't so sure it was going to happen......but, the plans are going to remain the same and I'm looking forward to it more than ever!

I hug her a little harder, (if that's possible), and I look at her with different eyes now!!!!!!!!

JNCRUISEBUMS
July 24th, 2008, 01:20 PM
Darcie: I so agree........................

BRENDA - HEALTH UPDATE: SHE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The amazing, wonderful, laughing, giddy, playful, perkIy, bouncy, jumping-into-and-out of-the SUV girl IS BACK!!!!!!!!

She's eating, drinking, peeing, pooping and most of all working like her old self, again!!!!!!! It was 5 weeks of pure HELL for her..........

:) Thank you to everyone who had her in their thoughts and prayers!:)

I'm exhausted from it all but so, so thankful that it's behind us now.

We're cruising in November and I wasn't so sure it was going to happen......but, the plans are going to remain the same and I'm looking forward to it more than ever!

I hug her a little harder, (if that's possible), and I look at her with different eyes now!!!!!!!!
I have been keeping up with Brennie and SO glad she is back to her normal wonderful self! What was her diagnosis? Take care! Nancie

wizard-of-roz
July 24th, 2008, 01:46 PM
Nancie: The beginning of June I took Brenny to the doctor to get a yearly check-up. Simple, so you would think!!!! It turned into a NIGHTMARE!!!!! He checked her ears and couldn't believe what he was seeing, he said both ear canals were extremely inflamed. He took a culture....came back into the room and said she has the most extreme case of a yeast infection, in both ears, that he has seen in a very long time!!!

Imagine my shock......she never displayed any symptoms!!!!!

The doctor gave her a shot of cortisone, another shot of antibiotic, ordered an ear lavage and prescribed anti-fungal pills and a course of Prednisone.

Brenny is 8 1/2 years old, she's had ear infections before (after all, she is a Lab) and, she got over them. The doctor said that her tolerance to pain is extremely high because this had to have hurt her.

And so the nightmare begins.........

She developed a severe reaction to the Prednisone.....weak/depressed/agitated/joint pain/excessive thirst/frequent urination/sleeplessness/raging fever and on and on. And, you can't just take the Prednisone away, entirely, you have to wean them off of it. It was frightening to watch.........

Her medical chart is now marked "HIGH SENSITVITY TO PREDNISONE!"

It almost killed her! Her ear infections are gone.......she will have to have ear lavages the rest of her life......and be watched closely for any more symptomotology of the Prednisone!!!!!!!!

And, because she has such a high tolerance to pain......I watch for any changes of any kind.........I'll never know if something's wrong, unless I can spot it early!!!!

Very long story-short; she's herself, again and that's the way I like it!!!!!!!!!

JNCRUISEBUMS
July 24th, 2008, 06:20 PM
I love reading your posts Roz, you have to be an amazing lady! Over the last few years I have become handicapped and last Oct. 31, 2007 I took a tumble in my garage and broke my leg. Simple, plate and screws and off to the rehab hospital where an occupational thereapist was teaching me to go from wheelchair to walker one legged and when I got up the chair whizzed out from under me and I slammed bad leg down to stop from falling out of the chair. She had NOT locked the wheelchair and then it was totally broken again and they put 4 huge metal rings around my leg and 16 pins and rods going through the leg. 9 months later, I just had it taken off, thank god and working myself backk to where I was. Now I'm looking forward to a 3 week cruise in November, that was the carrot my hubby held out for me to get better!! Worked for me. I have neuropathy in both feet and traveling up leg, CAGE didn't help. I look forward to everyday and love life, just like you! Enjoy the evening! Nancie:cool:

wizard-of-roz
July 24th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Nancie: Talk about an amazing "heroine" story....You, my dear, win the prize for rehab. Your tale is a novel!!!!

I'm so glad to hear that you are finally on the mend.....Your cruise sounds amazing. You have such wonderful things to look forward to.....YOU'VE EARNED IT!!!!!! :p

carlogesualdo
July 24th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Nancie: The beginning of June I took Brenny to the doctor to get a yearly check-up. Simple, so you would think!!!! It turned into a NIGHTMARE!!!!! He checked her ears and couldn't believe what he was seeing, he said both ear canals were extremely inflamed. He took a culture....came back into the room and said she has the most extreme case of a yeast infection, in both ears, that he has seen in a very long time!!!

Imagine my shock......she never displayed any symptoms!!!!!

The doctor gave her a shot of cortisone, another shot of antibiotic, ordered an ear lavage and prescribed anti-fungal pills and a course of Prednisone.

Brenny is 8 1/2 years old, she's had ear infections before (after all, she is a Lab) and, she got over them. The doctor said that her tolerance to pain is extremely high because this had to have hurt her.

And so the nightmare begins.........

She developed a severe reaction to the Prednisone.....weak/depressed/agitated/joint pain/excessive thirst/frequent urination/sleeplessness/raging fever and on and on. And, you can't just take the Prednisone away, entirely, you have to wean them off of it. It was frightening to watch.........

Her medical chart is now marked "HIGH SENSITIVITY TO PREDNISONE!"

It almost killed her! Her ear infections are gone.......she will have to have ear lavages the rest of her life......and be watched closely for any more symptomotology of the Prednisone!!!!!!!!

And, because she has such a high tolerance to pain......I watch for any changes of any kind.........I'll never know if something's wrong, unless I can spot it early!!!!

Very long story-short; she's herself, again and that's the way I like it!!!!!!!!!

And here I was worried about a little ear wax and some grass in my baby's ear. We got rid of that in short order. I'm so glad your Brenny is back to normal.

wizard-of-roz
July 24th, 2008, 07:51 PM
Carl: Thank you! It's such a joy to watch her play and romp on the grass again, chasing her ball and doing her funny little "Brenny dance" when she's walking!

She's such a goof! And, I love it!!!!!! ;)

dobiemom
July 25th, 2008, 02:42 AM
BRENDA - HEALTH UPDATE: SHE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm SO glad Brenda is all better. Thank you for letting us know.
Roz, could you email me? Address is below.
Marcia

S.S. Cruisers
July 25th, 2008, 11:31 AM
Roz:
WooHoo for Brenny! :D It makes our day when our fur babies are back to their normal, mischievious ways....
Now, you know the cruise will be a "sea breeze" the whole way. Its funny when we know when our fur babies are smiling or sad. Keep up the good work and keep us up to date on the Brenny Tales! One of the first books we read prior to getting our boy said, "A good lab's tail can knock a glass of wine of the table with one swift move." We weren't sure what that meant, but now we know. The tail is usually going and bound to knock something over with its power.

wizard-of-roz
July 25th, 2008, 01:18 PM
S.S.: Thank you for your good wishes. I so appreciate it!!!!!!!!

I know exactly what you mean by the "tail" thing. Being a very smart and well trained Service Dog, Brenny will "back out" of tight situations and not move her tail! She's yet to knock over a nic-nac or a glass of wine!

However, I/they forgot to teach her what to do when a toddler approaches to greet her......Scenerio: Brenny spots the child approaching; the tail is going at great neck speed...the toddler goes to her rear and "wham" gets hit with that powerful, beaver-like, device, that it seems she has no control of when she's playful and happy!!!!! :eek:

Either the child will laugh with glee or scream because it has been thrown to the floor and is now scared to death. While poor Brenny has no idea what happened!!!!!!!!! :o

JNCRUISEBUMS
July 25th, 2008, 01:49 PM
Thanks Roz for your well wishes! The very same to you and Brenny!!!! Nancie:cool:

sunshine426
July 26th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Roz, Thought you might enjoy this story from the other side of service dog training. As you know I work with service dogs in training. Over the past 18months I have worked with one dog off and on. He actually had been placed in service and then returned. I never really heard exactly what happened, but he was traumatised, had difficulty adjusting to a crate etc. Over the next three months I had the opportunity to take him out on numerous outings and sometimes just to play in an agility area. He won a piece of my heart for sure. I had heard that he might not go out into service, but might become a therapy or education dog. OK, he would be great at that, so I was pretty happy. Then I was talking with one of the trainers and they said the people who were going to sponser him in education had backed out, so he might not even be placed that way. I told Mr Sunshine, if this dog was released as a pet, I was in line for him!!

Training camp began and matching took place. I was serving dinner and I saw my four footed friend. He had been placed with a war vet who had been injured by sniper fire. He was lying next to this young man's wheel chair, and as I watched I saw the love between them. Plus, the young wife, was just rubbing her food along his side as they ate dinner. I walked by them, but did not make eye contact. For a brief moment my four footed friend looked at me, sniffed, but then returned his eyes to his new family.

I was so touched and so happy that it looks like it just took some time for this sweet golden to find his forever family. Makes every outing, every counter sufing encounter, every mess to pick up, soooooooo worth it.

Anyway, happy cruising, maybe someday our paths will cross and I can meet Brenda and her forever friends. :D

dvdfreakmc
July 26th, 2008, 06:44 PM
Thought I would give you an update on the traveling "fools", the McClungs on their adventures with Werin

Susan, Cameron and I spent the last two weekends travelling with Werin and our sister and nephew. First to Washington D.C., which is great to travel with service dog, especially on the Metro! Residence Inn Rosslyn had a great little run, just behind the hotel which was mulch and Werin LOVED to go to. All restaurants were fine with Werin, with no questions asked. The Safeway however, we were approached by 4 people and then a manager kept yelling out at us that only seeing eye dogs were allowed. We kept explaining, but he didn't get the idea. By that time we had checked out, so we were on our way. I think they get lots of folks that try to bring in their pets to the store, which caused the unusual reaction.

Last weekend, thought we would try to stay in NYC in midtown right by Times Square, so that we would be close to everything. Well I was sure that I would find a tree or a scrape of grass somewhere, but after checking with the front desk at the Residence Inn Time Square, I discovered that we were close to everything, but the dog park. Had to walk down 15 blocks one way to Madison Square Park to the Dog Run. Not bad in the daytime, but at 10pm with Werin going for her last walk - it was a bit of stretch. Should have looked it up earlier and planned ahead. Once I returned home, found this great link for those of you visiting the city (even before a cruise), so that you can plan your hotel to be close to one of the dog parks. Trick is there really isn't even a tree or grass spot anywhere else in midtown outside of these parks. We were right across from Bryant Park, but all grass and trees were blocked with wire railings. Oops. Here's the link: http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_things_to_do/facilities/af_dog_runs.html#manhattan

We've stayed at the Ritz Battery Park and the Embassy Suites close by to Battery Park, and there is grass and dog runs galore on this end of the city. But you then have to take a cab or subway back up to Midtown. I'll take the close grass at night time to the inconvenience during the day.

Ha, Ha -- Happy travels all!

Quampapetet
July 28th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Roz, I'm glad your dog is better.

DVDFreakMC, I recommend looking up your hotel on a satellite photo site like LiveSearch (http://maps.live.com) or GoogleMaps (http://maps.google.com). Then you can see where any grass, open spaces, private areas, etc. are around the building/area.

wizard-of-roz
July 28th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Sunshine: Thank you for my tear for the morning.....what a wonderful story! And, although it makes us cry, it's reality and the job that you do is beyond reality, you bring "hope" not only to a dog who possibly would be turned into a "pet" but to a soldier who will get years and years of "hope" and love from his dog partner!!!!

It's always so inspirational to hear the true "beginnings" of these amazing animals and I'm sure that you have lots and lots of stories you could share with us. Please do it! I love them!

Peter/Werin & Family: Thank you for sharing more of Werin's Adventures; do you believe the Safeway market? G-d, what is it going to take for the public to understand that not all service dogs work for the blind?

I, too, have run into the "where's the plot of grass/dirt/mulch, etc., etc. where Brenda can relieve herself? It can be an adventure in its self! She was trained to "potty" on cement but refuses to do it.....I swear I'm going to carry a baggy full of mulch with me whenever we travel and I'm not sure if there will be a place to "go!" I'll take out my baggy and spread the stuff on the cement and keep circling her over it.....I haven't tried it yet...but, it's in the works!!!!

When we go somewhere, for meetings or events, the first thing I look for, while parking my car, is the availability of her going potty!

We, who walk with a Service Dog, can all relate!!!!!!

Keep traveling and letting us know about what you've done and where you've been!!!!!

Quam: Thank you for your good wishes. She's all better and being her "bouncy", "happy" self!!!!!! It's such a joy to watch her now!!!!!!!

sunshine426
July 28th, 2008, 04:02 PM
Sunshine: Thank you for my tear for the morning.....what a wonderful story! And, although it makes us cry, it's reality and the job that you do is beyond reality, you bring "hope" not only to a dog who possibly would be turned into a "pet" but to a soldier who will get years and years of "hope" and love from his dog partner!!!!

It's always so inspirational to hear the true "beginnings" of these amazing animals and I'm sure that you have lots and lots of stories you could share with us. Please do it! I love them!

Peter/Werin & Family: Thank you for sharing more of Werin's Adventures; do you believe the Safeway market? G-d, what is it going to take for the public to understand that not all service dogs work for the blind?

I, too, have run into the "where's the plot of grass/dirt/mulch, etc., etc. where Brenda can relieve herself? It can be an adventure in its self! She was trained to "potty" on cement but refuses to do it.....I swear I'm going to carry a baggy full of mulch with me whenever we travel and I'm not sure if there will be a place to "go!" I'll take out my baggy and spread the stuff on the cement and keep circling her over it.....I haven't tried it yet...but, it's in the works!!!!

When we go somewhere, for meetings or events, the first thing I look for, while parking my car, is the availability of her going potty!

We, who walk with a Service Dog, can all relate!!!!!!

Keep traveling and letting us know about what you've done and where you've been!!!!!

Quam: Thank you for your good wishes. She's all better and being her "bouncy", "happy" self!!!!!! It's such a joy to watch her now!!!!!!!

I also understand about "relief" areas. Plus, since I work with such young dogs, I can have unfortunate outcomes. Before I plan an outing, I take into account when the last meal was, as well as where I am going to be,etc. Home Depot and Lowe's are great places for outing experiences. No carpet to worry about just in case, lot's of sounds noises etc.

Once a dog is placed in service his recepient will figure out those things and not have to plan ahead so much.

Roz, you might regret asking me for stories, my family can get a little tired of hearing them. (But they love it when I have a puppy home).

wizard-of-roz
July 28th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Sunshine: Anyone on this particular Board would love your stories....Most them are owners of Service Dogs/Animals and appreciate every single little (big) "thing" that it takes to either raise/train or work with a service animal!

And, I can't say it enough.....THANK YOU!!!!!!!

I'm in the middle of planning an airplane trip, this weekend, to Eugene, Oregon. Brenda will be flying bulkhead. And, then we'll be doing the Golden, Princess to Hawaii (2 weeks), in November.

I'm glad she won't need her Rabies Titer test until October along with the Agricultural Inspection Form. She's been through enough these past 2 months, with Vets/shots and medications. I'm going to give her a little break. :o

sunshine426
July 28th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Many of our volunteers and the spokesdog handlers travel via air with the SD in training. I have this picture of coach seats and large goldens and can't quite see how it works, but I know it does. I can only imagine trying to use the lav on the plane and taking the dog in with you!!!!

I was using a public restroom with a large golden with me. Tight squeeze in the stall with my friends backside sticking out from under the stall door. Then I hear "look mommy, I doggy is in the potty). And soon a toddler is also peeking under the door. My dog of the day handled it well, I just laughed. :)

dvdfreakmc
July 28th, 2008, 06:20 PM
Thanks all for your tips on "potty". BTW, glad Brenny is doing better. Yeah, I'm usually really good and checking out places to make sure we will be fine. Werin has been trained for grass, but she will do gravel and/or dirt in a pinch. She has only missed once in her life, that being on last year's cruise when we were on our way to the box, but Werin thought that getting on the promenade would be good enough - ruh roh.

We always joke that we know more about where the grass is, then what we are actually seeing. Of course, road trips are easy, but those cross country flights take some amount of planning. You know the drill - Check in after having one last pee, then getting through security a little less than 2 hours before flight. Get to the layover, which you have built in enough time to get outside of security, go potty, come back through and make your next flight, then get through customs quickly, so that you can get her to the next spot of grass (both sets of Cameron's grandparents live cross country and in Canada, so we always have customs). So if you need tips on where to toilet your service dog in unusual places -- we have the answers:

- Philadelphia Airport
- Minneapolis Airport
- Mall of America
- NYC
- Seattle Airport
- Los Angeles International Airport
- Both Disney parks (LA and FL)
- Queen Mary (the original)
- Legoland
- Victoria Clipper
- Plus all the train stations around the Northeast (though we are coming home on the Adirondack from Montreal to Philly after our cruise in 2 weeks, so I will have new adventures to tell - like going when we stop over at a station on the way)

We love travelling and looking for grass is the first thing we do when we stop!

dvdfreakmc
July 28th, 2008, 06:22 PM
Many of our volunteers and the spokesdog handlers travel via air with the SD in training. I have this picture of coach seats and large goldens and can't quite see how it works, . :)


It does. We had a Northwest flight where Werin (70lbs of golden lab) wiggled under the seat in front -- she did great!

wizard-of-roz
July 28th, 2008, 06:27 PM
We usually sit in Bulkhead when flying:
"Bulkhead" seats are (the row of seats that have no seats in front of them, just a wall.) They, usually, are bigger in floor space, allowing the dog room to really lay down and not be "scrunched up!" It means that Brenda will take-up the floor space of the seat next to mine and even some of the space where my feet go! She's a big girl!!!!!! I can rest my feet against the wall or next to her!

Depending on the size of the airplane, the bulkhead seat can be quite large. And, then there's airplanes like; "Express Jet" which only holds 70-80 people; bulkhead can be a lot smaller but still bigger, in floor space than the other seats.

Sometimes bulkhead seats are already taken by passengers who prefer them. They're asked if they will move for a Service Dog and we've been very lucky....I hope that luck doesn't run out!

I NEVER take Brenda into the airplane bathroom with me. I try and do all hers and my bathroom needs prior to boarding! Although, if I must go, I give her the command "down/stay" and she waits for me! As it is....it requires manipulation, on my part, just to get past her on the floor (unless, I take the aisle seat) but, I love looking out the window so a little more concessions are made on both our parts.

Brenda is only given and occasional ice chip, while flying (if the weather is particularly warm) so her comfort zone is kept pretty much intact. She's fed in the early morning and evening, all of which is flexible (we try to keep to a schedule but have learned to bend it a bit!) I also try and fly inbetween her eating times, if at all possible!

We're the first to board and can be the first to get off.....I prefer to wait until everyone else has gotten off....then I know no one will be trampling her or rushing us down the aisle. I hate those people who will literally "push" you if you're not moving fast enough for them......

Walking with a Service Dog lends new meaning to the words "wide load ahead!"

Agutaya
July 29th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I've been lurking for a long time and thought it was time to post. I can empathize with some of the recent posts. We just got back from the vet with our guide dog puppy. She is 15 weeks old so doesn't have all her shots yet. That means she can't relieve herself on "unprotected grass" yet. So, we are always looking for paved places to "busy" her. Since it's summer in Texas that also means shady places. They are few and far between. Then after we we go to all that work of finding a shady, paved place she decides she will wait until we get home. :rolleyes: It will be nice when she can go on any surface. Even after that we try to busy then every so often on different surfaces so they realize they can do it if they have to.

We took our first guide dog puppy in training with us on 13 flights. On one of the last flights when she was a full grown dog I needed to use the rest room. Always looking for new experiences to expose the dog to I decided she would accompany me. On this flight the WC was forward from my seat, so off we go up the aisle. As the dog was entering the WC ahead of me I happened to glance back down the aisle and there were people hanging out of their seats on both sides of the aisles watching us looking wide-eyed and puzzled. It was a tight squeeze in the WC but she curled up nicely. When we were returning to our seat we got lots of comments like, "I didn't think she would fit." and "I'm amazed that you both made it." I was chuckling by the time we got back to my seat.

Mary

wizard-of-roz
July 29th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Mary: First, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for giving of yourself and family to help people who you may never even know! You are a miracle worker; handing a miracle maker to someone else!!!!!!!

Your story was so cute.....Brenda is black; everything on the floor winds-up on her and can be seen by all! It can be disgusting, especially at the beauty and nail salon! She's in the habit of shaking herself and that does get rid of some of the debris but she's like a magnet. I can bring her out, from under a table, at a restaurant and she'll have a french fry stuck to her butt (believe me, if she could reach it, it would be gone!)

I am sickened by what can wind-up on her, after sitting in a bathroom stall and then taking her back to the dinner table. I give her the command to "stand", while in a bathroom and, she does. But, it doesn't leave much room for both of us in a regular stall! And, certainly not in an airplane bathroom. :eek:

Oh! Well! The trials and tribulations of life with a Service Dog!!!! :p

Please write again with some more of your great stories, I love reading them.

Have you cruised with one of your pups yet?

wizard-of-roz
July 29th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Oh! And Mary, who do you work with? And, how long have you been doing it? :confused:

Agutaya
July 29th, 2008, 10:26 PM
My husband and I are raising our 4th guide dog puppy. The first was with Southeastern Guide Dogs and is a guide dog in FL. The other three are with the Guide Dogs of Texas. One dog is ready to be matched in a few months. Another one is getting further training with another puppy raiser. And we have one that is just beginning to grow up and learn all she needs to know.

We have not cruised with a guide dog puppy as they are not allowed on the ships - only full fledged guide dogs. But we did cruise with two guide dog teams last January on RCCL's Voyager of the Seas. Below is a link for some pictures from that cruise on a blog I did for our third puppy, a labradoodle. And we are cruising again this January. So far two other teams are going.
http://masonstales.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

This is a belated thank you for those of you who answered some of my questions before last year's cruise.

Mary

dvdfreakmc
July 30th, 2008, 07:17 AM
Your story was so cute.....Brenda is black; everything on the floor winds-up on her and can be seen by all! It can be disgusting, especially at the beauty and nail salon! She's in the habit of shaking herself and that does get rid of some of the debris but she's like a magnet. I can bring her out, from under a table, at a restaurant and she'll have a french fry stuck to her butt (believe me, if she could reach it, it would be gone!)

I am sickened by what can wind-up on her, after sitting in a bathroom stall and then taking her back to the dinner table. I give her the command to "stand", while in a bathroom and, she does. But, it doesn't leave much room for both of us in a regular stall! And, certainly not in an airplane bathroom. :eek:



LOL -- I always hate to think what Werin picks up from bathroom floors, but hadn't thought about the "trials" of a black service dog. Ha, Ha. I do have to say, the best feeling in the world is getting up from eating a meal or on the plane and Werin pops out and you can hear the chorus of whispered, "I had no idea they had a dog under there." Music to the ears.

One of our worst spots is the dark blue carpet at church. Werin leaves a trail of golden hairs everywhere, even though we brush every day. I now come prepared with a sticky roller to "mop" up the trail.

Mary - thanks for training service dogs. Thanks to ours, Cameron now has a life that is full of adventure, travel and interaction. Before Werin came Cameron barely talked and would break down into a terror filled frustration fit virtually everywhere we went. Now he is calm as a cucumber, talks to all, and LOVES travel. He transferred this last year to regular 4th grade without an aid. Everyone including us say Werin saved our little guy. Werin has been one of the biggest blessings in our life. Thanks for helping to make that miracle happen for others.

S.S. Cruisers
July 30th, 2008, 12:08 PM
I can bring her out, from under a table, at a restaurant and she'll have a french fry stuck to her butt (believe me, if she could reach it, it would be gone!)
Roz;
Oh my, I laughed out loud on that one! I can't tell you number of times we have said "Butt check on aisle 13!" About Reno. Even though he isn't a SD, we have some wild trials and tribulations!

My kitty is stalking a lizard that is in the house. Its a little bitty guy or I would be freaking out. I have to go to work, so hopefully it will all work out. So far Reno hasn't gotten involved. He's too comfy on the tile floor sacked out.

Everyone have a great day. Hugs and kisses to all the fur babies and everyone that has a hand in doing the beautiful service to help those less fortunate. I work with Special Ed kids and they make my day and definately humble me.

(I did this post earlier but it didn't show up.)

Nancy

sunshine426
July 30th, 2008, 10:25 PM
Mary, I would love to hear some of your stories raising guide dogs. I work with service dogs in training, but the program is structered differently. The dogs are raised and trained at the training facility. Going home and out on outings with volunteers, Most are placed at about 18 months of age.

wizard-of-roz
July 31st, 2008, 12:47 PM
Boy! Talk about tears this morning!!!!! I am so touched by some of your stories!!!!


MARY: The pictures of the Guide Dogs on RCCL were priceless! Thank you for sharing them......Mason is so, so cute.... how lucky the person who gets him will be!!! We have not taken Brenda on RCCL cruiselines, yet! I'm so happy to see that they were so accommodating!

And, I know exactly what you mean about the "potty" question....I swear, I'm going to have a "T" Shirt made with the answer on it!!!!

PETER and Family: Cameron's life has changed so much....isn't it a miracle? Thank you for bringing Werin into his life. It's a lot of work for all of you....but, isn't a beautiful thing to see? That bond between the two of them says it all!!!!!!! And, what Werin will continue to bring to Cameron, well, it's just worth it all!!!

NANCY: How's the lizard? And, "Butt check", good words to remember!

Take care everyone....I'm off to "Brenda's Beauty Shop" appointment! I'm sure it will feel good, for her. After all the craziness that she's been through these past months, she will love the pampering!!! :)

Quampapetet
August 3rd, 2008, 06:23 AM
I don't have problems with things being stuck to my SD's coat (mostly black), but for those who do, you can ask at restaurants for them to clean under the table before you sit down. That way, no French fries or other ickies will be stuck to any doggy butts. ;)

I never allow my SD to sit or lay in a bathroom - way too icky!!! She knows she is to stand (and walk, of course, LOL) only. We don't fit in a regular stall, so use the larger or accessible stalls (whichever is in that particular bathroom).

sunshine426
August 3rd, 2008, 07:08 PM
I had young dog out on an outing this week. She did so well waiting for over 30 minutes for a table, and then lying down and sleeping almost thru the meal. I had checked the floor before sitting and it was clean(yea). As we were finishing our meal, my four footed furry friend was standing under the table and was very quiet. Uh Oh!! I checked and sure enough she had found some gum stuck under the table! Ewhhhhhhhh. So, I now look not under under the table, but really "under the table"!!!!!!

Agutaya
August 4th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I had young dog out on an outing this week. She did so well waiting for over 30 minutes for a table, and then lying down and sleeping almost thru the meal. I had checked the floor before sitting and it was clean(yea). As we were finishing our meal, my four footed furry friend was standing under the table and was very quiet. Uh Oh!! I checked and sure enough she had found some gum stuck under the table! Ewhhhhhhhh. So, I now look not under under the table, but really "under the table"!!!!!!

You think it's bad with dogs? How about children? A friend overheard her young child playing with a friend one day. The little girl said, "I get gum when I go to church on Sunday." The mom's ears perked up since she didn't give her children gum on Sundays, or any other day for that matter. The other little girl asked where she got it from. The reply was, "I reach under the pew and feel for it. I can usually find some." Ewhhhh!

You asked for some guide dog puppy stories so I'll drop by occasionally and share some. Our guide dog puppies go to church with us on Sundays. We start that as soon as we get them so they get used to everything. It's nice that they sleep a lot when they are little. They usually are a little restless for the first part of the service so we bring a toy to keep them occupied. They usually calm down and sleep through the sermons. They are the only ones with express permission to sleep through the sermon. :) When they are really little I take them out just before the end of the service. That way they can go "busy" before we return and talk to people. It we don't leave early we get caught by too many people and the puppy may have an accident. When they get older we don't have to leave early.

When they are really young we let people pet them, if they are sitting nicely, even if they are "in coat." It's part of the socialization process. Later we take the coat off and let people pet them. Even later people can no longer pet them when we are out in public.

We are raising our 4th puppy and have only had one accident in church. Our latest puppy at 13 weeks old had already pooed and peed twice before we left home. When we got to church we gave her another chance and she peed again. We walked into the lobby and I was talking to a friend. I looked down and the puppy had just pooed on the carpet! Having pooed twice before 9:30 we certainly didn't expect that. My DH, Wes, had gone across the lobby to get our name tags. He had the back pack, a.k.a. diaper bag, with the clean up materials. I urgently asked my friend to go get him. I stood in front of the poo and guarded it so no one would step in it. (Oh the things we do for these puppies. :p )

Meanwhile someone came by and asked if I knew the puppy had pooed. Couldn't he tell by the embarrased look on my red face that I was well aware of the situation? My friend came back with paper towels at the same time as Wes. I cleaned up the pile while Wes got a bag out of the back pack (diaper bag). I had our liquid hand cleanser to really clean the carpet well. Another friend came to help and carried the bag away. Don't know where he took it. I was just glad to get rid of it. During this whole process the puppy just sat and watched us all. She was probably thinking that her poo must be really important since there were 4 people attending to it. :D

Mary

DisneyKidsDad
August 4th, 2008, 02:47 PM
What a great story. If it were not for people like you, we wouldn't be going for service dog training in three weeks. So thank you very much for what you do.

sunshine426
August 4th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I love that story! It is amazing how in tune we get to the bowel and bladder habits of our young friends. My back pack is loaded with all sorts of accident clean up stuff as well. Plus toys, a chew toy, etc.

I also allow petting from strangers when I have a young pup out as part of the socialization. With the older dog, I discourage this as I want them to learn to focus completley on me. It is hard to say no when someone asks, I just realize how important this is for this dog's future.

acs4rob
August 5th, 2008, 12:12 AM
Hi Roz
Were taking our guide dog for the blind to the Mexican Rivera in December. What documents do we need to have with us? and whats your experience with Carnival. Were also planning a cruise on the Celebrity next June to Italy, Turkey, and Greece.

Quampapetet
August 6th, 2008, 07:00 AM
I checked and sure enough she had found some gum stuck under the table!

Do be careful - there is a substance in gum that is toxic to dogs!

sunshine426
August 6th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Do be careful - there is a substance in gum that is toxic to dogs!

Thanks for the head's up. I gve her a leave it command and she stopped right away! I guess I'll start looking under the table itself as well as the floor!!!!

wizard-of-roz
August 6th, 2008, 01:57 PM
We're back!!!

Will travels with a Service Dog ever become easier?????

We've flown, with Brenda and this route about a dozen time....back and forth to Eugene, Oregon....Direct flight...Bulkhead seats....And, there's always someone new (who works for the airline) who doesn't know what to do with a Service Dog; where they may or may not sit; what their rights are....etc., etc. I know I should use my best face and a lot of patience...but, sometimes it's really hard.

Remember: When traveling with a SD give yourself a lot of extra time for the folks in "Check-In" and the "TSA" who don't have a clue how to handle the "Service Dogs!"

Mary: I, too, loved the story of the "gum" and the "pooh"!!!! What a good "Mommy" you are; to protect your pup and his pooh!!!!!! I would have felt just like you! Embarrassment and "what else can I do?"

acs: The Mexican Riviera, on Carnival, will be a lot fun for all of you. If you have a veranda cabin, they will place a 4x4 box filled with mulch/sod or wood shavings directly on your veranda or in a crew working closet (near your cabin) or on a public deck. On Carnival, we've had it in all of the above places and because they were not prepared for us, they litereally went off the ship (in San Diego) and got a bucket of dirt (from under a tree) for the box.

Each cruiseline has a "Guest Access Services Department".....You will need to fax to them: Name of Ship; Date; Cabin Number and all the dogs paperwork (below).

Carnival: Fax: 800.532.9225
Phone: 800.327.5782

I also brought a sign that read, "DO NOT PUT TRASH OR CIGARETTE BUTTS IN BOX; FOR DOG USE ONLY!" If the box is placed on a public deck - Sometimes the public can be pretty unaware of the use of the box! Also, don't forget to bring some litter removal bags, so that you can pick up the "pooh"! And, just leave the bag outside of the box and the crew will dispose of it! (if they don't supply a waste recepticle for you!)

Documentation needed:

Passport (current)
Agricultural Inspection Form (from Vet.)
Updated Veterinary Exam. (with updated immunization record-from Vet.) This should also state that the SD is on Heartguard and Flea & Tick prevention.
City License (most U.S. cities require this of all dogs. (Service Dogs get them but don't have to pay.)
Organization Training Certificate (some orgs. don't give these.)
Copy of ADA Access Laws (not required but certainly helpful.) It's actually on the back of the Graduation License given by CCI. (Canine Companions for Independence), where Brenda was trained.When you arrive, on board, go to the Purser's Desk and give them a copy of all of the above. They will present it to the Immigration Authorities when the ship docks in every port and you're good to go!!!

Celebrity will require exactly the same thing.

Have a wonderful cruise(s) and soon it all will be second nature to you!

Remember; a lot of folks will ask to "pat" your dog or will just reach over and "grab" a touch of him/her! It's instinctual to some folks who just can't resist a well behaved dog. Don't get upset, tell them that you'll be sitting somewhere later and they can come by and "pat" him then! Don't be afraid to stick to your rules of behavior!!!!!!

You will also come across some folks who do not want your dog near them, anywhere! Be prepared for them! Although this is a "public place!" They were not expecting to see a dog on a cruise ship!

YOU BOTH HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ANYWHERE ON THE SHIP THAT THE PUBLIC CAN GO!

S.S. Cruisers
August 7th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Roz: That has got to be so frustrating. You would think they have enough SD going thru that they would get it down. One can hope, I guess. I'm glad Brenny is a good girl and takes it in stride.

As for the lizard, finally caught and returned to the wild! Our backyard. Hopefully he won't get in again or that he was so frightened he won't come back. DH, grandson, kitty and Reno were all trying to catch him! That must have been a kodak moment that I missed.

Nancy

wizard-of-roz
August 7th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Nancy: It's so weird that you mention a lizard.....one has crawled its way into our office....and, my boss jumped on top of his desk! Too funny! What a whimp!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

The poor thing is now under the cubicle, somewhere. I hope it doesn't pop out when Brenny sees it.......I'm sure she'd want to play.

It's about 105 degrees outside and I don't blame him for wanting to come inside.....the lizard that is!!!!:p

nseagirl
August 8th, 2008, 04:44 PM
I have read this whole thread and thoroughly enjoyed it. I am not a SD person but I do have a wonderful four legged son and daughter. Now that our 2 legged daughters are married and living away, these are our babies. We lost our 14 year old Border collie last August. Having to put her down and holding her while she passed was one of the hardest things we've ever had to do. We're still struggling almost a year later. We have since rescued an Australian Red Border Collie and a Mini-Australian Shepherd. We love them dearly. The Border collie has decided he's my baby.

I notice that most of you are frustrated with non-SD people's lack of knowledge of your situation. I had no idea that there were service dogs for so many different things, until I read this thread. Please don't expect people to know what you know. We have had no reason to have to know it (yet). Most of us mean no harm to you or your doggies. Maybe some of you could find a way for there to be more publicity on this so that the rest of us would understand what we can/should or cannot/shouldn't do when we come face to face with you and your furry. Also, we have many more people coming in to the places of business with a dog that is NOT a service animal, than the ones that are. It is natural for us to question. Please understand our point of reference...."the people that bring in their dog just to see if they can get by with it".:rolleyes: :cool:

I love dogs (animals in general). I would almost have to tie my hands behind me to keep from petting one that was standing beside me. When I have to leave my babies at home it almost kills me, so a doggie substitute would really be welcome. Don't worry, I'll go out right now and buy some rope. I really do understand the reasoning behind the "do not pet" rule. I'm just telling you that for a dog lover like me, it's very hard not to love up on 'em.

I hope you won't be upset with me for asking but what does an autism dog do? I've never heard of that and would like to be better informed.

If you ever see me on a cruise, I'll be the one walking quickly to the other side of the ship away from your dog. Not because I don't like her/him, but because I DO!;)

wizard-of-roz
August 8th, 2008, 05:22 PM
AWWWWW!!!!....nseagirl: Please, please don't avoid us and don't go to the other side of the ship.....we welcome your good questions and your friendships. We even allow for "patting" time. It's such a joy to watch these dogs behaving so well in any venue!!!! :)

When we talk about folks behaving badly and our frustration in dealing with them, they're very few and far between. Where we get the most frustrated is the TSA or scheduling agents who should understand and realize the "Service Dog" and their need to be in the public. Afterall, if it weren't for the "Drug/Bomb Sniffing/contriband control" Dog, we would all be in a lot of trouble.....and, of course the "Police and Service Duty Dog", these heros do more for all of us and aren't always, "in your face!"

I'm sorry about your loss of your "furry-friend", you had me in tears. It's a reality that we all have to face, eventually but it never makes it easier knowing we have to face it!!! :( Thank you for sharing your story and for explaining how most of the general public feels!

There's a lot of stories being done on T.V. about the Service Dog. There was one, just recently, on 60 Minutes......some people are not interested in learning or seeing what's happening in the SD world. It's amazing stuff!!!!! But, you're right, there should be more.......

There are: Seeing Eye Dogs; Hearing Dogs; Facitlity Dogs (work with a professional in a healthcare setting); Service Dogs (assist adults/children with physical disabilities by performing daily tasks); Skilled Companions (enhance independence for children/adults with physical/cognitive and developmental disabilities); Dogs who alert to seizures; heart and blood disorders; changes in diabetic control and on and on.

A Skilled Companion Dog would be perfect for a child with Autism....It's a wonderful thing to watch the difference that these dogs can make in completing these children's worlds!!!!!! ;)

Pretty amazing! With the right training and behavior modification a dog or for that matter other animals can be taught/trained to do a myriad of tasks that are requested of them.

Again, thanks for showing interest and for caring!!!!! :)

nseagirl
August 8th, 2008, 10:01 PM
You know, Roz? I believe you mean that, but there have been a couple of others on this thread that seem to almost have a chip on their shoulders against able-bodied persons :confused:. They seem defensive about it to me. I realize that disabled people have a struggle, but in real life, so does everyone. I'm sure that I will upset those same people by saying what I feel about this, but so be it. They'll wonder why I'm here at all. I read this thread because of the awe in which I hold the wonderful furries that can do all these amazing things. I also am in awe of the trainers because, I admit it, I don't do that very well at all. So, let us stand in amazement without turning up your nose at us. There are a lot of us that would do anything we could to help any of you that needed us. BUT, there's that chip again.

Roz, I hope I get to see you and Brenda on a cruise sometime. I promise to give you and Brenny your space but expect me to love on her when you say it's ok. She deserves it!! So do I!!

There, I'm off my soapbox. Enjoy the rest of your thread.

sunshine426
August 9th, 2008, 08:12 AM
I paticipate in presentations re: service dogs quite frequently. The purpose is to educate the public abt the dogs and their training. And to give a different perspective on people with "disabilities".

Most of the dogs I work with are being trained as seizure response dogs, hearing alert dogs and a general service dog(ie: someone in a wheelchair). These dogs are being trained, to assist their "person" with activities of daily living, so they can have more independence. When someone other than their person interacts with the dog, it takes the dog's focus off their person. For many this isn't too critical, and often they will welcome pats for their friends. But for some this could affect their safety and that is a huge reason not to pat our interact with these dogs.

nseagirl
August 9th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I understand what you're saying and I agree that the dogs shouldn't be distracted but to call us "stalkers"? and to get all upset when we ask questions? That, I don't understand.

sunshine426
August 9th, 2008, 03:30 PM
I understand what you're saying and I agree that the dogs shouldn't be distracted but to call us "stalkers"? and to get all upset when we ask questions? That, I don't understand.

I must have missed that comment. I can see where that might have hurt your feelings. I had a dog out today and could see some children so excited to see him. I was walking down some stairs and I heard the parents telling them no, that dog was helping me becuase I couldn't see. Typical assumption seeing a service dog. I told them when I got down the stairs I would talk to the. Used that as an opportunity to tell them about other types of service dogs and to thank the parents for using their intervention. Of course after that I had my dog sit using sign language and let the kids pat her. But I did stess rhe importance of asking for permission to pat, and to understand if someone says no they aren't being mean.

nseagirl
August 9th, 2008, 03:54 PM
I must have missed that comment. I can see where that might have hurt your feelings. I had a dog out today and could see some children so excited to see him. I was walking down some stairs and I heard the parents telling them no, that dog was helping me becuase I couldn't see. Typical assumption seeing a service dog. I told them when I got down the stairs I would talk to the. Used that as an opportunity to tell them about other types of service dogs and to thank the parents for using their intervention. Of course after that I had my dog sit using sign language and let the kids pat her. But I did stess rhe importance of asking for permission to pat, and to understand if someone says no they aren't being mean.

Sounds like you handled that beautifully! Thanks for your patience with those people. You taught them important lessons that, hopefully, they'll remember in the future. You sound like a fine ambassador for your group.

dvdfreakmc
August 10th, 2008, 01:45 PM
I hope you won't be upset with me for asking but what does an autism dog do? I've never heard of that and would like to be better informed.

;)

Thanks for the question and for reading through all the blog on service/disability animals. When my wife approached me with the idea of a service dog for Cameron, whom now 10, was diagnosed with autism at age two, I asked the same question.

While autism is a very broad collection of different symptoms and situations, I'll describe what Werin has done for Cameron by telling a few stories.

When we went for the interview for a Canine Companion, we were nervous, as the interview was a whole day of interacting with dogs and sitting in class. Cameron couldn't really sit still for any amount of time, and would break down into tantrums at a whim. We had waited until he was 5 to apply (the minimum age) after seeing a program started up in Canada. The day started well, but went downhill from there. Cameron was pretty rigid in his routine, and having a day full of different stimuli and actions was sending him into tantrum land. We were pretty worried that if he couldn't show an interest in the dogs at all, that this may not work out. All day, he really showed no interest in the dogs being shown us, and it was everything we could do to keep him with the rest of the group and the activities we would be doing. This was a pre-cursor to the class we would have to undertake which would be 8-10 hours per day for two straight weeks. If we couldn't get through one day with him, how would 2 weeks go?

We were asked into a separate room by the staff, with two dogs, and had the discussion that if Cameron couldn't interact or even be "aware" that the dogs were there - would it be worth going ahead. Then a miracle unfolded, and Cameron started touching the dogs, and responding to them (he didn't really talk at the time) by calling their names, smiling and was a changed little boy for a few moments (Remember that scene from "A Winkle in Time" when Meg is trying to pull Charles back from "It" and she sees a glimpse of the old Charles) It was the same for those few moments. We saw it and the staff saw it, and we were on the list for a match.

A year or so later we went to training, with weeks of prep and scheduling work with his therapist to get him ready for two weeks of classes and interaction. Cameron from about 1 year and a half to the prep for the class, really was in his own world. Whatever happened revolved around him, and he really didn't notice other people or things coming in, unless he was forced to. For example, if Susan and I headed out for a movie or dinner, he wouldn't cry or even know we were gone - it was like his memory was just a few minutes, and then he was onto something else. The doctor had told us that Cameron's mind was much like an animals, with constant distractions and not really being able to predict what was coming next or being able to project.

I won't go into the whole story now of our training, but at the end of the two weeks there is a graduation, and the final night Werin was to go for a night with her trainers and the family that raised her. Cameron had been doing really well with Werin, and slept with her every night the second week. Well when the trainers came to take her with them for the night, Cameron balled and balled - and while you would normally think this would be a problem, we were grinning ear to ear, as we realized that Cameron had bonded with Werin, when he had bonded to nothing else in his life, including us. A breakthrough and miracle.

It has been miracles after miracles for Cameron, thanks to Werin at his side, and interacting him in a way that you could literally see Werin draw Cameron into this world with the rest of us.

Functionally how it works with Werin, is she goes everywhere we go. Stores, restaurants, movies, travel. Everywhere but school, as we are a Skilled Companion team. Susan or I hold Werin for direction or correction and give commands. Cameron has a separate leash for him, which provides us with safety, as he doesn't dart off or get distracted like he used to which was always a problem in going out. As Cameron gets older, he will be able to decide if he wants to self certify, so that he can take Werin on his own once he has a mastery of the commands.

Agutaya
August 10th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Peter, thanks for the great story about Cameron and Werin. These animals certainly are special and make many lives much better. It makes me even more determined to resolve the following issue.

Yesterday, I went to a restaurant with some friends and our guide dog puppy in training. In Texas guide dogs in training and their trainers (or volunteer puppy raisesrs as is our case) are given the same rights as service dog teams. We've gone to many restaurants over the years with no problems but in this case we were refused service. It was an oriental restaurant. I am sensitive to the fact that in their culture dogs are considered dirty and would not be allowed around food. But they still have to obey the laws of the country in which they now reside. We've had objections at other two other oriental restaurants but when we explained that the dog was a service dog in training or explained the law they accepted it. However this restaurant refused to serve us.

I showed my i.d. from the Guide Dogs of Texas which states the law and that "denial of access to a public facilty to a guide dog in training is a violation of Texas law." The manager would not listen or even look at the card. I explained that she was breaking the law and she said that the Dept. of Health said she couldn't have dogs in the restaurant. I said that in most cases that is true but not for guide dogs or those in training.

After much discussion she tried to seem empathetic and said that she had a friend who was blind with a dog and when he/she went somewhere the dog was left outside the restaurant. :eek: Imagine leaving your service animal outside the restaurant?! I told her that she could be sued for denying the rights for a disabled person, but she wasn't listening.

I was embarrassed for my friends who were with me. They explained to the manager that they often came to this restaurant but the lady would not budge. She said that her customers would be offended by having a dog in the restaurant. They asked what I wanted do. I said if it were just my husband and me we would call the police and ask them to come and explain the law to the manager, but I didn't want to push the issue at this point with them. But my friend handed me his cell phone. As it turned out I was not able to get in touch with the local police department (I was dialing the wrong number) so we left. We went to another restaurant where everyone oohed and aahhed over our 4 month old puppy who was very well behaved at both restaurants.

There will be follow up. We had a planned walk planned with the Puppy Raising Program Coordinator for GDTx on Tuesday. We will likely return to that restaurant for lunch. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Thanks for letting me rant a bit. I knew you all would understand.

sunshine426
August 10th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Thanks for a little peek into the world of service dogs and autism. It takes my breath away at times how dogs can make such a difference in someone's life. I believe you mentioned once that Werin was a whippet? Do you get challenged much as he doesn't look like a typical service dog? I might be working with a Corgi soon, and I can only imagine the comments when I take him out in public.

dvdfreakmc
August 10th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Thanks for a little peek into the world of service dogs and autism. It takes my breath away at times how dogs can make such a difference in someone's life. I believe you mentioned once that Werin was a whippet? Do you get challenged much as he doesn't look like a typical service dog? I might be working with a Corgi soon, and I can only imagine the comments when I take him out in public.

Sorry to disappoint but Werin is a Golden Retriever. We do run into the occasional problem because Cameron is mobile, so we typically get questions by the staff. Usually when we explain it is A.O.K.

Valentine's Mom
August 10th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Thanks for a little peek into the world of service dogs and autism. It takes my breath away at times how dogs can make such a difference in someone's life. I believe you mentioned once that Werin was a whippet? Do you get challenged much as he doesn't look like a typical service dog? I might be working with a Corgi soon, and I can only imagine the comments when I take him out in public.


A corgi huh? I have a service dog that is a Japanese chin around 10 pounds. Yes I do get a lot of " she's too small to be a service dog" kind of things. Drives me crazy! I just tell them that size doesn't always matter and it depends on what kind of job that she is required to do. They are starting to realize that all small dogs are not born Yappers and can be used for many areas of service. I know another lady that writes on here from Canada that has a small toy poodle as a hearing dog I believe. Just answer like you would if she were the biggest of serivce dogs and you will be fine.

sunshine426
August 10th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Sorry to disappoint but Werin is a Golden Retriever. We do run into the occasional problem because Cameron is mobile, so we typically get questions by the staff. Usually when we explain it is A.O.K.

Most of the dogs I work with are golden retrievers and golden/lab mixes, so the corgi will be intersting. I am working with a few who are being trained as hearing alert dogs. I am having fun learning some ASL and some of the differences in training. Never a dull day in the world of SD.

nseagirl
August 10th, 2008, 09:59 PM
I'm just wondering if any of you that have had trouble with acceptance of your SD's have contacted area newspapers and had them do a story on the different kinds of dogs that are used for different types of issues. I know that most people think of see and eye dogs when they think of service dogs, and usually think of German Shepherds or the like. I think a media campaign on the issue would be great for everyone. I know I'd love to know more and I'm sure others would also. Maybe mags like People or Redbook, etc. would be a good idea. For any of you who live in North Carolina, Our State Magazine would be good.

Are there any good books available on the subject?

BTW, thanks so much for the education on autism doggies. I had no idea that they would have that effect. I'm totally impressed!!

I have a huge heart and would love to be involved in this cause but I have no idea how I could be of use. Any ideas? I know that fostering would be out because I'd end up keeping every one!

dvdfreakmc
August 10th, 2008, 10:54 PM
Yesterday, I went to a restaurant with some friends and our guide dog puppy in training. In Texas guide dogs in training and their trainers (or volunteer puppy raisesrs as is our case) are given the same rights as service dog teams. We've gone to many restaurants over the years with no problems but in this case we were refused service. It was an oriental restaurant. I am sensitive to the fact that in their culture dogs are considered dirty and would not be allowed around food. But they still have to obey the laws of the country in which they now reside. We've had objections at other two other oriental restaurants but when we explained that the dog was a service dog in training or explained the law they accepted it. However this restaurant refused to serve us.


There will be follow up. We had a planned walk planned with the Puppy Raising Program Coordinator for GDTx on Tuesday. We will likely return to that restaurant for lunch. I'll let you all know how it goes.



Try printing off this sheet -- it really helps, esp. with the official Department of Justice logo on it. We carry this one for situations just like this.
http://www.ada.gov/svcanimb.htm
Much worse than suits, you can call the Department of Justice hotline to report a compliant against that business

sunshine426
August 11th, 2008, 07:44 AM
I'm just wondering if any of you that have had trouble with acceptance of your SD's have contacted area newspapers and had them do a story on the different kinds of dogs that are used for different types of issues. I know that most people think of see and eye dogs when they think of service dogs, and usually think of German Shepherds or the like. I think a media campaign on the issue would be great for everyone. I know I'd love to know more and I'm sure others would also. Maybe mags like People or Redbook, etc. would be a good idea. For any of you who live in North Carolina, Our State Magazine would be good.

Are there any good books available on the subject?

BTW, thanks so much for the education on autism doggies. I had no idea that they would have that effect. I'm totally impressed!!

I have a huge heart and would love to be involved in this cause but I have no idea how I could be of use. Any ideas? I know that fostering would be out because I'd end up keeping every one!

I finished a book called "Paws and Effect". It talked about the healing power of dogs and several chapters did deal with different types of service dogs and training programs.

sunshine426
August 11th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Try printing off this sheet -- it really helps, esp. with the official Department of Justice logo on it. We carry this one for situations just like this.
http://www.ada.gov/svcanimb.htm
Much worse than suits, you can call the Department of Justice hotline to report a compliant against that business

Would you believe that one branch of the post office in my area has a sign that says only seeing eye dogs are allowed in?!!! He has challenged many of our volunteers when approached. I told one of the trainers I thought it was time for a group outing to that post office.

The time I saw the sign I did not have a dog with me, and did not feel like challenging it. One day I am sure I will.

nseagirl
August 11th, 2008, 09:42 AM
I finished a book called "Paws and Effect". It talked about the healing power of dogs and several chapters did deal with different types of service dogs and training programs.

I'll look for it today! Thanks!

wizard-of-roz
August 11th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Peter; Your stories of our friend Cameron and Werin are always so, so touching and heartfelt. I am very familiar with CCI's routines; the interview process; the training and graduation.....it must have been a very emotional day for all of you when Werin actually came home with you!!!!!

CCI only trains Golden Retrievers, Labs, and a cross between them; which makes for the most amazing genetic construction of a dog! They've been known to train poodles (for very special circumstances) and, they used to use Corgi's for Hearing Dogs. A lot of men complained that they wanted a more "masculine" dog.....hence, the Golden/Lab! The Labradoodle is on the horizon!!!

I, too, have had problems with Asian "style" restaurants. We have stopped going to one, in our area, just because they gave us such a hard time. Their loss!!!! We eat out a lot!!!!!:(

Honestly, if you're not blind, some of the public has no clue about any other types of service dogs!

Making us all more "public" is a great idea. And, with all the dogs being trained and available, at CCI for the Hearing impaired or people who need help with their daily activities; the public will get to see more and more of these dogs, in the near future!!!!! IT'S A SLOW PROCESS!!!!

And, the general public does not learn quickly or easily. People are very reticent to change what used to be considered "normal" in their environment! :rolleyes:

wizard-of-roz
August 11th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Also, Canine Companions for Independence has a wonderful web-site and an online store; where you can buy books on the subject of "Service Dogs!" or you may go to Amazon.com and type in "Service Dogs", there are a lot of wonderful books there, as well! :)

nseagirl: There's lots of volunteer tasks that you can do for CCI. If you happen to live close enough to a kennel (look at their website for locations, in your area) hopefully, there is one and you can help with team-training and graduations; in the kennels; in the Vet Clinic or you can become a Puppy Raiser. Call them......

And, more importantly, THANK YOU, for caring so much for being willing to be an advocate in any way! We need more of YOU!!!!!! :p

sunshine426
August 11th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I'm just wondering if any of you that have had trouble with acceptance of your SD's have contacted area newspapers and had them do a story on the different kinds of dogs that are used for different types of issues. I know that most people think of see and eye dogs when they think of service dogs, and usually think of German Shepherds or the like. I think a media campaign on the issue would be great for everyone. I know I'd love to know more and I'm sure others would also. Maybe mags like People or Redbook, etc. would be a good idea. For any of you who live in North Carolina, Our State Magazine would be good.

Are there any good books available on the subject?

BTW, thanks so much for the education on autism doggies. I had no idea that they would have that effect. I'm totally impressed!!

I have a huge heart and would love to be involved in this cause but I have no idea how I could be of use. Any ideas? I know that fostering would be out because I'd end up keeping every one!

If you would like to email me I might have a suggestion for you. ramays@charter.net

nseagirl
August 14th, 2008, 06:30 PM
I am an elected county official. I just bought a book recommended to me on this board (Paws and Effect). I'm wondering if you think my constituents would understand if I don't show up for work tomorrow so that I can finish it (if I don't finish it before I go to sleep tonight)? It's a wonderful book so far and I don't want to put it down to do a mundane thing like WORK!:D :D

(thanks Sunshine, I'll email when I finish this book.)

wizard-of-roz
August 14th, 2008, 06:37 PM
nseagirl: Maybe I've been training dogs too long........but, WHAAAAAT????? :confused:

nseagirl
August 15th, 2008, 08:13 AM
nseagirl: Maybe I've been training dogs too long........but, WHAAAAAT????? :confused:

Sunshine recommended the book "Paws and Effect" to me. I bought it yesterday and can't put it down (though did finally put it down to sleep). I was asking Ann Landers what she thought the people that elect me would think if I just stayed home today and read this book. I guess they probably wouldn't like it much.;)

wizard-of-roz
August 15th, 2008, 12:41 PM
OHHHHHHHH!!!! Just like a politician to totally confuse the masses!!! :p

I saved "Marley & Me" for reading, while resting on a cruise ship! (The Diamond Princess)!

I wound-up crying more on that cruise than resting! What a great book! What an amazingly wonderful dog (a bit naughty but wonderful)! I can't wait to see the movie!!! Although, it will be a tear-jerker!!!!!

Now, go back to doing what public servants are supposed to do....????:rolleyes: ;)

sunshine426
August 15th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Sunshine recommended the book "Paws and Effect" to me. I bought it yesterday and can't put it down (though did finally put it down to sleep). I was asking Ann Landers what she thought the people that elect me would think if I just stayed home today and read this book. I guess they probably wouldn't like it much.;)


I led a tour out at the training facility. The woman who had requested the tour had read the book, and since we were mentioned in one of the chapters, and she was visiting her family, she asked to see us. So, then I had to go out and buy the book, and also could not put it down.

Also loved Marley and Me and don't get me started on Old Yeller!!

I have a cruise coming up in November and need to plan my reading. Open to suggestions!

Andar
August 15th, 2008, 10:46 PM
Ohh, I am going to have to get Paws and Effect for our cruise.
Here is a picture of Bailey trying on her life jacket. (whippets stand with their ears back and tail between legs) I always say that cause people say she looks either sad or mad.:rolleyes:
http://picasaweb.google.com/darciegore/Bailey/photo#5234935839305083506