Cruising With A Service Dog....everything You Ever Wanted To Know!

[S.S. Cruisers]

Miriam;
I know the others are probably sick of hearing this, but, I do not have a service dog. Dh could probably qualify, but just not good timing for us. And they let me hang around this thread. I do have a big yellow lab. Anyway, I work with special needs kids. One of my girls has autism, well not diagnosed, because she is only 4, but has the symptoms. Anyway, I think Flsunnymommy can tell you how much having a service dog (Chewey) has helped her son. I say go for it with gausto!

I have never seen a Standard Poodle as a SD, but just love how regal they look.

MCDW;
What a handsome young man you have! Is he thinking about going swimming with the ducks? I hope not. :D

Nancy

[flsunnymommy]

dvdfreakmc - How was Wicked? I am debating taking my son, but always worry how it will go.

I have to give credit to the theme parks for letting us switch on and off the rides so everyone can ride. There have been somany times were he goes twice in a row on a ride while we switch people watching Chewy. Universal Studios has stepped up and has portable kennels available at all rides. This has allowed us to have family Men In Black Competitions. I am jealous as I want to go on Soar and the munchkin will not go.

Sporting events have been a breeze for us. They normally move us to rink side seats if they are open as Munchkin will not do the steep stairs. Just one warning with hockey and arena football, if you can scoot the chairs forward and place the dog behind you, you will be better off. We have been to a few games were we have temporarily shared a box with a player going over the wall.

For potty at events he goes before hand. If you need to take him out during the game, just inform security. We have done all day festivals that do not allow reentry and we have never had an issue getting back in. In reality, it is really hard to "sneak in or out" of somewhere with a service dog. Everyone kind of remembers you.

[Andar]

Just had to share this with you folks for good laughs:

First, I went into the Ortho Dr. today for the third in a series of shots to my knee. My DH went with me the first two tiimes - no Bailey. This time I took Bailey with me.

The doc looks at Bailey and then reads her service dog jacket and says, a service dog, huh with a kind of smirk. I had to explain she was not for the arthitis in my knee :eek:but rather was my medical alert dog for the brain injury and helped me with visual deficits (left field boundaries). He responds, "Well I have never seen that breed as a guide dog" I then had to explain that she is NOT a guide dog but a medical alert dog. So the doc got an education about different kinds of service dogs; guide dogs, hearing dogs , medical alert dogs and mobility dogs. :rolleyes:

Second, it is hard not to laugh with the babies or the monkey on this site, enjoy:
http://www.cutethingslaughing.com/ (http://www.cutethingslaughing.com/)

[S.S. Cruisers]

good-bye hug at the Chatsworth Train Station, with Denver and Brenda laying next to each other on the back seat of my car. (What a sight.) We had a great time!

I will always remember our SD's lying side-by-side just staring at each other, I wish everyone on this board could have seen them.....it was so beautiful. Denver, who is big and bold and blonde and Brenda who is a shorter, blacker version of him just fell in love!:p

We will be friends forever. :)
Roz and Brenda, Cari and Denver;
Sounds like you guys had a great time! :D I wish you could have got a picture of Brenda and Denver together, what a site. Kodak moment and priceless all in one.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Host Caroline: Welcome! Isn't this a fabulous group of folks? Please don't hesitate to share your stories.

Poodles are wonderful Service Dogs, extremely devoted and perfect for the person with extreme allergies.

The only problem with them is once they've bonded with person, they don't "pass-off" real well. At least the one's I've seen don't!

I believe a lot of service organizations are trying to work with the Labradoodle........There's a breed I'd like to work with!

The only way to really avoid the "shedding" problems with the Lab's or Retrievers is to have them clipped......a groomer can litterly clip (shear, without taking the fur totally off) their hair (so they look like teddybears) down and that reduces the shedding a lot. But, with the black labs it destroys that beautiful glissening coat and they don't look as good as the yellows and goldens look. But, it does help with the hair everywhere.

Brenda is on Salmon Oil, every morning with her food and that helps a bit but doesn't get it all.

Darcie: I, too have had doctors who have absolutely no clue that Service Dogs can do a myriad of tasks and are always amazed at Brenda.

And, that video cracked me up! How cute is that?

Nancy: There is a standard white poodle who assists a woman who uses a wheelchair in our building. The dog is so gorgeous and such a gentelman! Brenda is always making "goo-goo" eyes at him!

Nancy, we are NOT sick of anything you have to say......You always add a lot of good information and you're our personal "cheerleader!" We're making you our mascot!

Cari took a picture of the two dogs, while in the restaurant. And, she said she was going to try and post it.......

I did it.......I'm booked on September 5th, Golden Princess to Alaska.....deposits in.

The Golden is one of our most favorite Princess ships.

[DisneyKidsDad]

We got a call from our new vet last night. He looked over all the IAADP paperwork and is ordering all the heartworm and flea and tick meds through them for us. Once he looks at all the cruise paperwirk, he is going to set up a schedule to get everything done. :D

[wizard-of-roz]

We got a call from our new vet last night. He looked over all the IAADP paperwork and is ordering all the heartworm and flea and tick meds through them for us. Once he looks at all the cruise paperwirk, he is going to set up a schedule to get everything done. :D

That's what we like a Vet who's on top of things. You're very lucky to have such an advocate.

Have fun in your anticipation and planning....it's one of my favorite parts of cruising! :p

[kerrytens]

Just had to share this with you folks for good laughs:

First, I went into the Ortho Dr. today for the third in a series of shots to my knee. My DH went with me the first two tiimes - no Bailey. This time I took Bailey with me.

The doc looks at Bailey and then reads her service dog jacket and says, a service dog, huh with a kind of smirk. I had to explain she was not for the arthitis in my knee :eek:but rather was my medical alert dog for the brain injury and helped me with visual deficits (left field boundaries). He responds, "Well I have never seen that breed as a guide dog" I then had to explain that she is NOT a guide dog but a medical alert dog. So the doc got an education about different kinds of service dogs; guide dogs, hearing dogs , medical alert dogs and mobility dogs. :rolleyes:

Second, it is hard not to laugh with the babies or the monkey on this site, enjoy:
http://www.cutethingslaughing.com/ (http://www.cutethingslaughing.com/)

I had to laugh at your post because today I had the same thing happen to me - as you know, I am searching out the possibility of getting a SD for my daughter and despite having a couple of contacts, I thought I would contact my representative from an organization I've been dealing with for years (Resources for Exceptional Children). Great place and full of information for the most part but anyway, I emailed my rep and asked if she could get me the names of more organizations for SD's and info about other families who may be using one for their kids.
Well, her response about not seeing any 'guide' dogs for children with autism before made me chuckle! :D Even someone who should be well versed, like a doctor, doesn't know!

Miriam
PS. One of the organizations wrote back to me today and said that it didn't really seem like my daughter would be a great match. :( Although I gave them very limited info, one thing I did say was that she wasn't a 'runner' - well, it seems they only want runners. Too bad. I did explain that she would wander off though if I wasn't holding her hand so I'll see what she says about that. Of course, I will leave the decision up to them as they do know what their best matches are/will be and I need to trust them ultimately.

[wizard-of-roz]

Miriam: Have you contacted CCI? Although, they're not in your immediate area we had people from thousands of miles away to come to CCI just for Team Training and to bring their Service Dog home with them.

They may be able to answer some of your questions right over the phone and may be a great resource for you.

They deal with lots of Autistic children and adults.

[kerrytens]

Miriam: Have you contacted CCI? Although, they're not in your immediate area we had people from thousands of miles away to come to CCI just for Team Training and to bring their Service Dog home with them.

They may be able to answer some of your questions right over the phone and may be a great resource for you.

They deal with lots of Autistic children and adults.
No, I've been trying to stick with organizations in Canada (and Ontario specifically) but I would love to contact them. I will email them this evening with some questions for sure!!!
Thanks for the info!
Miriam
PS. I meant to congratulate you on your next cruise!!!! OMG, the bug has hit me hard and I cannot stop thinking about my next one now. Kind of hard to concentrate on work :D

[wizard-of-roz]

PS. I meant to congratulate you on your next cruise!!!! OMG, the bug has hit me hard and I cannot stop thinking about my next one now. Kind of hard to concentrate on work :D[/quote]

There is no known cure for the "Cruising Bug!"

[sunshine426]

No, I've been trying to stick with organizations in Canada (and Ontario specifically) but I would love to contact them. I will email them this evening with some questions for sure!!!
Thanks for the info!
Miriam
PS. I meant to congratulate you on your next cruise!!!! OMG, the bug has hit me hard and I cannot stop thinking about my next one now. Kind of hard to concentrate on work :D

Hi Miriam, take a look at Canine Assistants located in Atlanta. They place dogs all over the US and I believe Canada. While most of their dogs are more general service and seizure response, it might be worth a look.

[sunshine426]

Golden-Doodles are another cross being worked with. Of course you have to hope that the puppies have the non shedding poodle gene, it can be a bit of a gamble. On the other hand you get the super smartness of the poodle and the wonderful golden disposition. Trouble is, the smart poodle doesn't always want to retrieve non stop. Like OK, I have already picked up your pencil 10 times, you do it this time.

[wizard-of-roz]

That's very funny.....I guess what the organization's will do is breed and breed and breed until they have the "perfect" dog; The poodle hair; the lab disposition and work ethic and waahlah.....The perfect Service Dog!

I agree Poodles are very smart but they're "moody" and can be a bit "edgy".....They're just like me.

Whereas the Lab or Retriever will do "anything" for food! ;) So easy to persuade!

[kerrytens]

Miriam;
I know the others are probably sick of hearing this, but, I do not have a service dog. Dh could probably qualify, but just not good timing for us. And they let me hang around this thread. I do have a big yellow lab. Anyway, I work with special needs kids. One of my girls has autism, well not diagnosed, because she is only 4, but has the symptoms. Anyway, I think Flsunnymommy can tell you how much having a service dog (Chewey) has helped her son. I say go for it with gausto!

I have never seen a Standard Poodle as a SD, but just love how regal they look.

MCDW;
What a handsome young man you have! Is he thinking about going swimming with the ducks? I hope not. :D

Nancy
Thanks Nancy! We can be the cheerleaders of this great thread! How cool that you work with kids with autism - they are a very special bunch for sure!!!! My daughter has been the greatest teacher in my life. I used to be the most impatient, get it done NOW type ever but she has shown me that if you slow down, breathe, relax then things will come easier and you just don't stress as much. That and redirect when things get to be too much to handle! :D
I love all of the stories on this thread (hence me lurking for MONTHS, if truth be told :o). Dogs have always been a huge part of my life and knowing that there is a possibility of a dog somehow being able to help my child ... wow, I'm blown away! I would be honoured to have one in our life!

Miriam

[kerrytens]

Hi Miriam, take a look at Canine Assistants located in Atlanta. They place dogs all over the US and I believe Canada. While most of their dogs are more general service and seizure response, it might be worth a look.
Thanks for the info - I'll google them.

Miriam

[kerrytens]

So, as you have probably guessed already, I've always been owned by a high grooming breed and have all of the bells and whistles needed to take care of such duties. Now, I am wondering IF I am blessed to be chosen for a dog and it is a lab or golden (or any other breed for that matter), what grooming is required of these breeds? I believe it was you, Roz, who said that these breeds could be sheared down in order to help with the shedding but if combed daily, does that cut it down a lot? The idea of clipping all those beautiful coats off really isn't what I'd want to do.

I know, really stupid questions here but I have only ever had non shedding breeds and I'm basically clueless other than what friends have told me about their shedding goldens or labs - and who knows how often they were bathed, brushed etc!
Miriam

[sunshine426]

I have a lab/golden mix of my own. Not a SD, just a wonderful family member. She has a course lab coat. I groom her with a shedding tool(I use the "furminator") abt once a month and use a soft brush in between. She still sheds, but this helps keep it undercontrol. Whenever I bring a SD in training home, I give him or her a very good brushing, and if the trainer is OK with it a session with the shedding tool. I think some dog hair is something most of us just get used to. I don't have a service dog, but volunteer with an orginization that breeds and trains them.

[kerrytens]

I have a lab/golden mix of my own. Not a SD, just a wonderful family member. She has a course lab coat. I groom her with a shedding tool(I use the "furminator") abt once a month and use a soft brush in between. She still sheds, but this helps keep it undercontrol. Whenever I bring a SD in training home, I give him or her a very good brushing, and if the trainer is OK with it a session with the shedding tool. I think some dog hair is something most of us just get used to. I don't have a service dog, but volunteer with an orginization that breeds and trains them.
OK, last dumb question of the day (meaning there will be more tomorrow, most likely!), what is a furminator? And how does it work? Like a rake? I good friend used one on her GSD all the time and it pulled TONS of fur out?

Miriam

[sunshine426]

OK, last dumb question of the day (meaning there will be more tomorrow, most likely!), what is a furminator? And how does it work? Like a rake? I good friend used one on her GSD all the time and it pulled TONS of fur out?

Miriam

It looks a lot like a dog comb. I purchased it, ready to laugh at myself for spending way to much for a product advertised on TV, but it really works well, so I am glad I have it. One of my friends got one and went overboard with her golden. Fur flying everywhere. She said she wants to go after all the dogs just to see how much fur comes off. I purchased mine at PetCo, but I am sure they have them everywhere. Google them and you can see a grooming video. It is not a shearing devise, doesn't cut hair, just loosens and removes the undercoat.

[flsunnymommy]

kerrytens (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/member.php?u=378999) - autism on the seas has multiple people on board to assist you. They organize private get togethers, private dinning, talk to the kids club staff and prepare them. They join you at meals, have private tours, and help you as much as you want. I have seen a few kids (including mine) chose to sit with the staff at shows and meals. When we go with them, they are part of our vacation, not just our travel agent, but you chose how much you want them involved. My son has become great friends with them and sends them cards and e-mails them. They are awesome and you can always contact me off list @ Heather@ autism on the go . com (of course no spaces)

Ok, the furminator is awesome. It removes the undercoat only. It can take some time to do. You just want to make sure you brush lightly with the coat. Chewy and all the cats love it. There is much less fur covering our house. There is a special at PetSmart right now and you get free shampoo, conditioner and a microfiber towel with the furminator.

From what I have heard Canada has amazing service dog programs. The main one for children with autism, National Service Dogs, is not taking applications right now. I would check with ADI and see what schools are listed with them.

[denversees4me]

Hi Roz .. If I have a new avatar pic ... ITS JUST FOR YOU and brenny of course !!!! i just have to figure it out LOL

my 10 cents on most common SD breeds and grooming
labs - will shed 2x a year they blow out their coat and make way for a new coat ... mine sheds some but not terrible
golden retrievers- will SHED !!!! not terrible but sometimes more than a lab they too will blow their coat out 2x a year
golden lab cross- just expect a little of both

ALL service dogs will need regular brushing and bathing I bathe Denver every 2-4 weeks . FLEA CONTROL IS A MUST !!!!! goldens can use more brusing than a lab and for me i NEVER brush Denver ... only once in a blue moon .... if you keep up on bathing a lab you wont need to brush as much .... I have herd ( not the gospel but i have herd and agree ) the more you brush a dog the more they shed ... it stimulates coat growth and that in turn stimulates more hair to be shed .

NOW-

Poodles will need grooming at the groomers for hair cuts every 6-8 weeks ... they have hair so they dont shed really ... they do not have FUR ... it is haur like yours and mine ... they need regular daily brusing to avoid mats in their hair .... bathing etc is same as a lab or golden or LGX ( lab golden cross )
Doodles ( labradoodles and golden doodles ) same as a poodle they too will need to go to a groomer maybe a little less often than a poodle but they still need to go and also need daily brushing ......
groomers can be COSTLY so let that be a deciding factor ... can you afford a 45-60 dollar haircut for your dog every 6-10 weeks .....
good luck and I know youll get the right dog to meet your desires of grooming !!!!
Cari and Denver

ps ROZ I WANT TO GO TO ALASKA SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD help me convince my hubby !!!!!

[denversees4me]

god bless the german shepards LOL i forgot those poor guys in the grooming topic LOL
THEY SHED and in my opinion are the hardest to take care of grooming wise besides a poodle .... they have a double coat and they blow it out 2 x a year as well , but for a shepard they constantly need brushing to remove and keep the undercoat clean ....so buyer beware LOL j/k they are alot of work all of the dogs but well worth the effort !!!!

[denversees4me]

ok I got it up !!!! WOO HOO !!! A pic of Denver and the captian of the Star Princess in Sept of 08 on our Alaska cruise. I believe the captians name was ( forgive me captn if i spell it wrong ) Edwin Perry .... I want to send thisd pic to him anyone know how i can do so ?????
cari and Denver

PS ROZ dont let brenny stare at Denvers pic too long tell her her eyes will go bad... I already caught Denver looking at Brennys pic today ... I had to make him get off the computer LOL LOL LOL

[S.S. Cruisers]

Thanks Nancy! We can be the cheerleaders of this great thread! How cool that you work with kids with autism - they are a very special bunch for sure!!!! My daughter has been the greatest teacher in my life. I used to be the most impatient, get it done NOW type ever but she has shown me that if you slow down, breathe, relax then things will come easier and you just don't stress as much. That and redirect when things get to be too much to handle! :D
I love all of the stories on this thread (hence me lurking for MONTHS, if truth be told :o). Dogs have always been a huge part of my life and knowing that there is a possibility of a dog somehow being able to help my child ... wow, I'm blown away! I would be honoured to have one in our life!

Miriam
Miriam:
You aren't kidding, I would rather work with my special needs kids than some of the "normal" ones. I learn something new from them every day. And your daughter is so right. I use to be just like you, on overload, had to get everything done, spinning in circles not getting anything done right. Well, I have changed. And talk about resourceful, my little guys and gals can get it done, it may not be the conventional way, but don't even get in their way. I certainly hope you get a dog for your daughter. I can't even believe they are saying your daughter wouldn't be a good match. I say why don't they give it a try. I'm all about, "If you don't ask, you definately won't get it, if you do ask, you have a 50/50 chance." I feel the same way about a dog for your daughter. If they don't even let you try, well then............

Roz:
We met a gentlemen camping once that had the cuttest little labradoodle. She was jet black and had that beautiful Brenny shine, about small to medium height, curly hair and her name was Ebony. She would lay in Papa's arms for hours like a baby. But put her down and she was a ham. In everyones business, strutting around with that smart*zz attitude! Like we know who!

Nancy

[kerrytens]

Hi Roz .. If I have a new avatar pic ... ITS JUST FOR YOU and brenny of course !!!! i just have to figure it out LOL

my 10 cents on most common SD breeds and grooming
labs - will shed 2x a year they blow out their coat and make way for a new coat ... mine sheds some but not terrible
golden retrievers- will SHED !!!! not terrible but sometimes more than a lab they too will blow their coat out 2x a year
golden lab cross- just expect a little of both

ALL service dogs will need regular brushing and bathing I bathe Denver every 2-4 weeks . FLEA CONTROL IS A MUST !!!!! goldens can use more brusing than a lab and for me i NEVER brush Denver ... only once in a blue moon .... if you keep up on bathing a lab you wont need to brush as much .... I have herd ( not the gospel but i have herd and agree ) the more you brush a dog the more they shed ... it stimulates coat growth and that in turn stimulates more hair to be shed .

NOW-

Poodles will need grooming at the groomers for hair cuts every 6-8 weeks ... they have hair so they dont shed really ... they do not have FUR ... it is haur like yours and mine ... they need regular daily brusing to avoid mats in their hair .... bathing etc is same as a lab or golden or LGX ( lab golden cross )
Doodles ( labradoodles and golden doodles ) same as a poodle they too will need to go to a groomer maybe a little less often than a poodle but they still need to go and also need daily brushing ......
groomers can be COSTLY so let that be a deciding factor ... can you afford a 45-60 dollar haircut for your dog every 6-10 weeks .....
good luck and I know youll get the right dog to meet your desires of grooming !!!!
Cari and Denver

ps ROZ I WANT TO GO TO ALASKA SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD help me convince my hubby !!!!!
Thanks for the shedding info!!! Blowing coat 2 times a year, I can handle with regular brushing. Grooming does not scare me at all - afterall, I've had high maintenance breeds for the last 15 years. Kerries and Wheatens will mat in a second too (not as bad as poodles mind you) as they have hair too. After spending many $$ on professional grooming, I decided to try it myself and, if I do say so myself (with much modesty :o), I am pretty good with their respective clips.
My current guy has to be bathed weekly right now to help keep a skin issue under control - he hates it but I love a sweet smelling dog!!!;)
Miriam
PS. I LOVE the avatar!!!!! And can I go to Alaska too??? (but not now because we are virtually like Alaska with all of the snow and cold!)

[Andar]

Okay, here is a deal for you for ALASKA

This opportunity landed in my inbox this morning.
Cruise to Alaska this May for $499 round trip from Seattle -BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE- a shipboard credit brings it down to $399 for a 7 night cruise. You can't even stay in a decent hotel for that price - not to mentioned all the meals are included as well as entertainment!
Must book by 1/30/09 email me and I would forward the info to respect the no advertising policy.

Here is a picture of Bailey doing her Read 2 Rover work. She goes to the library and the kids read to her out loud. She doesn't judge them or laugh if the stumble over a word. You can't believe how much their reading improves every week. OMG, I am so sorry I don't know how to make it smaller:o
http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0.1&disp=emb&view=att&th=11f263998f880ffd

[wizard-of-roz]

Cari: What a great picture of Denver and the Captain. He's such a beautiful boy. And, I can truly attest to that....becuase I saw him. He's tall/blonde and handsome!

I think, unless you have the Captain's email address, where would you send it?

Come-on; Mexico in April or Alaska in September. I've given you several choices. Talk your guy into it! You're a pretty convincing gal, I know you can do it!

Miriam: I can't shear Brenny...she's double-coated, with the most lusterous, black, shiney fur (thank you, Salmon Oil!) She looks and feels like a teddy bear. All the other dogs, in her class, had flat-single coats. She has fur that won't quit. And, she's a pure black Lab. Just "double-coated!"

Darcie: I can't see the picture....but, I love the concept of children reading to the "Read 2 Rover", what a fabulous idea!

That deal to Alaska is very good. We also got a great fare on the "two-for-one"....It was $1339pp-Discounted $920-which came to $419pp. Give me a break.....I love it!!!!!

>>>>>We'd love to sail with all of you guys, with or without an SD. Although, cruising with an SD is amazing!!!!! :) >>>>>>

[wizard-of-roz]

FYI: For those of you looking for information on parking at pier in Seattle.

Information On Cruise Parking Seattle, Washington



We offer two convenient parking locations with special week long cruise parking rates. $12.00 per day. Princess is at Terminal 30. At: 2431 E. Marginal Way, Seattle.

General Information:

There is no need and no way to reserve a specific spot. There is always plenty of room.
Disabled spaces are available, but these do tend to fill up quickly. If you require the use of a disabled space, please plan to arrive early. Like general parking, these spaces cannot be reserved in advance.
Prices do not reflect a non-refundable $2.00 processing fee.
For information on identification documentation requirements please click here (http://www.travel.state.gov/) to visit the Department of State website.
Note: Princess passengers enter through Gate#4 ONLY. Go to baggage drop-off signs, before you take a ticket and enter the intereior parking lot.
NO RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. The Pre-Pay option speeds up your exit time and is only available through their website.
Parking is located directly inside the terminal, with each space only 50-200 ft. from the cruise ship.

I'm not going to pre-reserve, it's not necessary, there's lots of parking and the Handicapped spots are all on a first-come-first-served basis, anyway.

Now, I'm going to get information on hotels and a map for small cities South of Seattle.

We'll just get there early and wait at the pier. I prefer that than riding around searching for a spot and feeling rushed.

[Andar]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1JxtPkjakxg/SYNYHK_tlhI/AAAAAAAAGnE/ZL3Rid-zdSM/s320/DSCF1077.JPG (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1JxtPkjakxg/SYNYHK_tlhI/AAAAAAAAGnE/ZL3Rid-zdSM/s1600-h/DSCF1077.JPG)This is Bailey working in the Read 2 Rover program. We go to the library once a week to find children lined up out the community room door. About twelve dogs (with their human partners) are scattered about the room. Sizes range from a little Yorkie to a big

Collie and everything in between.

The children sit next to the first available dog with a book they have picked out. They tell the dog what they are going to read and sometimes what happened in their day or what kind of dog they have at home. Then they start reading. The reading levels range from letter recognition to reading adult books.

If it is the child's first time to the program, they are given a bookmark with one of the dogs pictures at the top. For every book they read out loud, they receive a paw stamp on their bookmark. When they collect 10 stamps, they are rewarded with a free book to take home.

Bailey is very patient and likes to put her head on the reader's lap. She never rushes them or laughs if they stumble on a word. The humans are told to just be there and not interact unless the child asks for help. It seems that 90% of the time, a child struggling with a word given enough time, will sound it out themselves (okay, I can't keep quiet then, I have to say something like, good job or you're right!). I am surprised how much improvement there is week to week.

[wizard-of-roz]

Darcie: It's a good thing you don't live too close to me or I would be "dog-napping" Bailey.

She is so, so cute.

What a wonderful program, I wonder if we have one near us. I would love to get involved with it!

[Latitude 20]

FYI: For those of you looking for information on parking at pier in Seattle.

Information On Cruise Parking Seattle, Washington



We offer two convenient parking locations with special week long cruise parking rates. $12.00 per day. Princess is at Terminal 30. At: 2431 E. Marginal Way, Seattle.

General Information:

There is no need and no way to reserve a specific spot. There is always plenty of room.
Disabled spaces are available, but these do tend to fill up quickly. If you require the use of a disabled space, please plan to arrive early. Like general parking, these spaces cannot be reserved in advance.
Prices do not reflect a non-refundable $2.00 processing fee.
For information on identification documentation requirements please click here (http://www.travel.state.gov/) to visit the Department of State website.
Note: Princess passengers enter through Gate#4 ONLY. Go to baggage drop-off signs, before you take a ticket and enter the intereior parking lot.
NO RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. The Pre-Pay option speeds up your exit time and is only available through their website.
Parking is located directly inside the terminal, with each space only 50-200 ft. from the cruise ship.

I'm not going to pre-reserve, it's not necessary, there's lots of parking and the Handicapped spots are all on a first-come-first-served basis, anyway.

Now, I'm going to get information on hotels and a map for small cities South of Seattle.

We'll just get there early and wait at the pier. I prefer that than riding around searching for a spot and feeling rushed.

Hi Roz,

I just started lurking on this board (don't have a SD but love the doggie pix!) and I'm glad I did! I'm sure you would have found out before you go but Terminal 30 is no more. Beginning this year Princess will be sailing out of our shiny new passenger terminal at Pier 91 at the north end of town. You can see some preliminary information here: http://www.portseattle.org/seaport/cruise/ and I'm sure they'll be updating it as crusing time gets closer!

Just let me know if you'd like any information about Seattle (where to stay, what to do etc.). I'd be happy to help!

Kathi

[wizard-of-roz]

Hi Roz,

I just started lurking on this board (don't have a SD but love the doggie pix!) and I'm glad I did! I'm sure you would have found out before you go but Terminal 30 is no more. Beginning this year Princess will be sailing out of our shiny new passenger terminal at Pier 91 at the north end of town. You can see some preliminary information here: http://www.portseattle.org/seaport/cruise/ and I'm sure they'll be updating it as crusing time gets closer!

Just let me know if you'd like any information about Seattle (where to stay, what to do etc.). I'd be happy to help!

Kathi

Kathi: Welcome! You life saver you!!!!! Thank you for updating us.....Boy, nothing worse than going into a strange town and getting lost! Especially, before a cruise!

I'm sure I'll have lots of questions...I have to go into a meeting now but on Monday I will start with all my good questions.....I'm just warning you! ;)

[Andar]

Kathi, thanks for that great info. Nothing worse then stressing out about getting there and finding parking.:eek: You just saved a bunch of people additional stress. :)

Roz, they probably have a reading program near you. Check with Delta Society. In addition to being my service dog, Bailey is also a registered therapy dog. I like to do this, as since my disablity, I have been feeling like I didn't have a lot to offer the community.

Hey, maybe next time we go on a cruise we can talk to the kids activity director and see if they would like us to come in to read for an hour.
Oh, that is the other thing, they limited to an hour as the dogs get tired; that is also about my stamina limit.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Darcie:
What a great thing you do with Bailey! I've heard of the program before but didn't know anymore about it. Thanks for the info. And they say animals are worthless....:mad: Also, I bet the kids don't laugh at Bailey and tell her, her vest makes her butt look big! :D I still laugh about that. She looks like she is so intent on listening and prodding them along. Hubby saw something recently that said cat owners live longer, I'm hoping. My mom has two cats and shes 86, guess somethings working.

Roz:
We've threatened to save Reno's hair and donate to someone or something. That boy sheds all year. He doesn't like to be brushed at all. When we brought him home at 6 weeks, he would bark and jump on any broom you tried to use. He has out grown the jumping on it, but still barks. I guess the brush reminds him of a broom. I have had him Hydro-bathed several times. It is wonderful, he comes home more handsome than ever and the hair is actually controllable at that time. Kinda of pricey though. I did buy a brush/comb thingy that is made of soft rubber, it gets a lot of hair off and he doesn't mind it too much. But as long as I keep brushing, his keeps coming off.....

Cari:
That is an adorable picture of Denver and the Captain! What a lucky guy, well both of them, actually. :D

Nancy

[kerrytens]

Miriam:
And talk about resourceful, my little guys and gals can get it done, it may not be the conventional way, but don't even get in their way.

Nancy
I so had to laugh at the not so conventional comment - Hannah does puzzles from the inside out!!!! And since I am so puzzle challenged myself, well, she is my hero :) Yup, these kids are amazing and so think outside of the box. Her kindergarten teacher told me that she see her as ultimately as a highly respected paleontologist who freelances with different museums getting their bones together - yup, she could do that. Gee, did I mention she LOVES dinos?? :D

I'm still working on the SD front. One trait I do own (and it probably explains my love of tenacious terriers) is that I don't give up - ever! I'm now talking with a well respected organization in Ontario that trains SD's specifically for kids with autism. I'll keep you updated!

Miriam

[kerrytens]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1JxtPkjakxg/SYNYHK_tlhI/AAAAAAAAGnE/ZL3Rid-zdSM/s320/DSCF1077.JPG (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1JxtPkjakxg/SYNYHK_tlhI/AAAAAAAAGnE/ZL3Rid-zdSM/s1600-h/DSCF1077.JPG)This is Bailey working in the Read 2 Rover program. We go to the library once a week to find children lined up out the community room door. About twelve dogs (with their human partners) are scattered about the room. Sizes range from a little Yorkie to a big

Collie and everything in between.

The children sit next to the first available dog with a book they have picked out. They tell the dog what they are going to read and sometimes what happened in their day or what kind of dog they have at home. Then they start reading. The reading levels range from letter recognition to reading adult books.

If it is the child's first time to the program, they are given a bookmark with one of the dogs pictures at the top. For every book they read out loud, they receive a paw stamp on their bookmark. When they collect 10 stamps, they are rewarded with a free book to take home.

Bailey is very patient and likes to put her head on the reader's lap. She never rushes them or laughs if they stumble on a word. The humans are told to just be there and not interact unless the child asks for help. It seems that 90% of the time, a child struggling with a word given enough time, will sound it out themselves (okay, I can't keep quiet then, I have to say something like, good job or you're right!). I am surprised how much improvement there is week to week.




I LOVE THIS PROGRAM!!!!!! I know as a child, I would have been begging my mom to take me. Bailey is beautiful!!! Is she a whippet? Or Greyhound? (thinking the former though) - do tell me about Bailey please. Yet another group of dogs I love!

Miriam

[kerrytens]

kerrytens (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/member.php?u=378999) - autism on the seas has multiple people on board to assist you. They organize private get togethers, private dinning, talk to the kids club staff and prepare them. They join you at meals, have private tours, and help you as much as you want. I have seen a few kids (including mine) chose to sit with the staff at shows and meals. When we go with them, they are part of our vacation, not just our travel agent, but you chose how much you want them involved. My son has become great friends with them and sends them cards and e-mails them. They are awesome and you can always contact me off list @ Heather@ autism on the go . com (of course no spaces)

Ok, the furminator is awesome. It removes the undercoat only. It can take some time to do. You just want to make sure you brush lightly with the coat. Chewy and all the cats love it. There is much less fur covering our house. There is a special at PetSmart right now and you get free shampoo, conditioner and a microfiber towel with the furminator.

From what I have heard Canada has amazing service dog programs. The main one for children with autism, National Service Dogs, is not taking applications right now. I would check with ADI and see what schools are listed with them.
Autism on the Seas sounds awesome for sure - even more so after your description. I was looking through the RCCL website for a cruise I would like to take my daughter on and I found one (gee, surprise!). I will be contacting them for sure if the funds will come together ;)

I have been told by the director of NSD in Canada to watch the site all the time and apply immediately. We have emailed each other so there is that possibility. There are also others I'm persuing too so keep your fingers (and paws!) crossed :D I will also check out your recommendation about ADI too! Thanks

Miriam (who BTW is so proud of her daughter tonight after losing a top tooth and not freaking out about it!!! Good job chickie!!)

[S.S. Cruisers]

Miriam;
That is very interesting about Hannah and puzzles. I find my Special kids sit and put the puzzle together, without help. They just keep turning the pieces until they fit. The other kids give up, after about 2 trys and say "I can't do it, you do it!" There is definately something magical going on up there in their precious little minds. I also find that my autism kids are not as stubborn as my downs syndrome ones. They all love books and me reading to them, though. My little autism girl can make most animal sounds and does well with words with the letter "p". I know each one is unique in their abilities. I could go on and on, but grandson just informed me it is 7:00 and time for him to eat. He is 5 going on 20, sometimes and on 2 sometimes!

Nancy

[kerrytens]

Roz, they probably have a reading program near you. Check with Delta Society. In addition to being my service dog, Bailey is also a registered therapy dog. I like to do this, as since my disablity, I have been feeling like I didn't have a lot to offer the community.

Hey, maybe next time we go on a cruise we can talk to the kids activity director and see if they would like us to come in to read for an hour.
Oh, that is the other thing, they limited to an hour as the dogs get tired; that is also about my stamina limit.
Andar, first off you are far from being someone who has little to offer the community!!! (and, gee, I just met you :D). I absolutely commend you for getting out there with kids. Bravo!!!

And as for talking to the activity director of your next cruise, OMG, as a parent I would be THRILLED to have someone with a registered therapy dog be there for my child in some way. I love this idea!

Miriam

[kerrytens]

Miriam;
That is very interesting about Hannah and puzzles. I find my Special kids sit and put the puzzle together, without help. They just keep turning the pieces until they fit. The other kids give up, after about 2 trys and say "I can't do it, you do it!" There is definately something magical going on up there in their precious little minds. I also find that my autism kids are not as stubborn as my downs syndrome ones. They all love books and me reading to them, though. My little autism girl can make most animal sounds and does well with words with the letter "p". I know each one is unique in their abilities. I could go on and on, but grandson just informed me it is 7:00 and time for him to eat. He is 5 going on 20, sometimes and on 2 sometimes!

Nancy
Pretty sure I was one of those kids who gave up and said 'you do it' considering how terrible I am at puzzles!!! I am challenged with the 12 piece ones she mastered at the age of 2 for goodness sake :o
Your grandson is priceless!!! OMG, your description - 5 going on 20 and sometime 2 :D:D

[Latitude 20]

Kathi: Welcome! You life saver you!!!!! Thank you for updating us.....Boy, nothing worse than going into a strange town and getting lost! Especially, before a cruise!

I'm sure I'll have lots of questions...I have to go into a meeting now but on Monday I will start with all my good questions.....I'm just warning you! ;)

Roz (and Andar),

Thanks for the warm welcomes. I'm happy to answer any Seattle questions now and as the trip gets closer. Are any others going on this sailing or just Roz? We just had to cancel our May Caribbean Princess voyage so maybe we'll join in too if our personal economy is looking up by then.

You have such a great community going. I'm (temporarily, as we all are) able-bodied so haven't had the privilege of partnering with a service animal but I've loved reading your stories! This thread has really made the dogs "come alive" for me. They're not always "superdogs" and they have their off-moments and idiosyncrasies (as we all do).

Finally, hope you all don't mind if I post a pic of my tribe. Sorry about the "devil dog" eyes. Toby, the chocolate lab is five and Tyler, the yellow, is nearly three. They're actually half-brothers (same dad, different moms). And in the background is Touchdown the cat who at 14 is the boss of everyone!

Kathi

[S.S. Cruisers]

Kathi;
Are you kidding me? If you have been lurking, then you already know, the only requirement on this thread is that you post pictures of your furbabies! And, a congratulations that you have, not 1 lab, but 2, under 5 years old!:D I always told hubby, Reno needed a playmate that had 4 legs instead of him! He just couldn't grasp it. Everyday I came home from work, he said, "You have to find Reno a home." He didn't mean it, the labs are really high maintenance when it comes to companionship, as you already know, I am sure. :o
Nancy

[dvdfreakmc]

dvdfreakmc - How was Wicked? I am debating taking my son, but always worry how it will go.

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Cameron enjoyed it, but I think we liked it better. Susan and I LOVE Wicked and have seen it several times, but only once with Cameron. We are always ready to jump up and out if he can't make it through a longer session like that, but we keep going and he can last longer each time. That's why the accessible seating has really worked for us, since it is easy to get out in a flash. Cameron has seen several shows including Les Mis, which was his favorite (I think it was the cannon that he liked) I remember the first time we went to a theme park and I wasn't sure we would make it or what Cameron would do, but then a change happens, when he produces out much more than I think he is capable of and gets through more than I think he has the capacity for. I always think of it as a miracle unfolding. Yeah, when we try new things and places, sometimes it doesn't always go as we expect, or it is something that doesn't grab his attention, but more times than not, Cameron exceeds our expectations which makes it worth going or trying "the new".

Autism on the seas sounds really neat and a great group to travel with.

[dvdfreakmc]

For those heading on the Alaska cruise from Seattle with an SD, if you are looking for a downtown dog park for "release time" there is an off leash park at 3rd street which is just a few blocks from the waterfront.
http://www.seattle.gov/parks/offleash_detail.asp?id=336

If Princess has switched to Pier 91, that's great. We love staying on the waterfront and have always had a good time at the Marriott Waterfront, which is right across the street. Also very close to all the waterfront attractions. Pike's Place Market is very close, and don't miss going there on cruise day to grab a huge bunch of flowers to take onboard - they SOO much brighten a room that it literally makes me think I am staying in a suite. You can grab flowers for right around 10 bucks. The Marriott has a downtown shuttle that will take you anywhere you want to go. Also has a Todd English restaurant onsite - Yummy!

[sunshine426]

Animal Assisted Therapy is offered by the orginization I volunteer with. I take a SD in training to visit the local Children's hospital to assist in the rehab program, also visit the children who are admitted for seizure monitering. Many of the dogs I work with are placed as seizure response dogs, so this is a good educational opportunity. I also visit the special education students at my local high school. These kids like to read to the dog I bring. At the elemenary level the dogs participate in a regular reading program similar what Bailey is doing. It is a win win opportunity for the dogs in trainining. They get exposed to a different environment and the children get the benefit of a canine visit. Everyone loves these dogs.

[Latitude 20]

If Princess has switched to Pier 91, that's great. We love staying on the waterfront and have always had a good time at the Marriott Waterfront, which is right across the street. Also very close to all the waterfront attractions. Pike's Place Market is very close, and don't miss going there on cruise day to grab a huge bunch of flowers to take onboard - they SOO much brighten a room that it literally makes me think I am staying in a suite. You can grab flowers for right around 10 bucks. The Marriott has a downtown shuttle that will take you anywhere you want to go. Also has a Todd English restaurant onsite - Yummy!

Hi Peter and family,

I think you're thinking of the Bell Street Pier (Pier 66) which is right across the street from the Mariott. Pier 91 is brand new (not even completed yet) and is about 4-5 miles further north. For 2009, Norwegian and Celebrity will sail out of Pier 66 and Princess, Royal Caribbean and Holland America will sail out of Pier 91.

There aren't any hotels in the Pier 91 area so the Mariott is still a great suggestion for a place to stay. The Edgewater is also nearby; it's built on a pier right on the Sound and is the hotel the Beatles made famous when they fished out the window of their suite! In addition to Pike Market (a must-see--make sure you watch them throw the fish), Seattle's newly-remodeled aquarium and the Olympic Sculpture garden are within blocks of either hotel. And don't even get me started on the great restaurants in the neighborhood! If anyone wants recommendations, let me know.

Kathi (your willing Seattle virtual tour guide)

[wizard-of-roz]

OMG: What an AMAZING thread.....I'm on sensory; emotional and above all spiritual overload. You guys make my heart sing.

Every one of these boards could learn so much from all of you! Hopefully, they are!

Kathi, you're a life saver. The information you've provided is wonderful. Terminal 91 is definitely where I need to be and the information for it won't be online until the end of February. I'll check back again then. You're "heads up" was very welcomed!

Since we're driving, we'd like to stay in a small town south of Seattle the night before and drive in the morning of the cruise, going directly to the ship.

And, when we disembark we'll take our time to adventure around the city and explore more of Seattle, then.

After some research we thought we'd stay in Tukwila. The hotel is lovely and it seems like a nice "bedroom" community. What's your thoughts and/or suggestions.

Again, thank you for any information you can provide.

Now back to our SD's.....I do believe that animals help in providing a calm, loving environment which helps in healing and longevity.

I think bringing the dogs into the children's area while cruising is an excellent idea....I must remember to speak to the crew about this in April and again in September.

I know I'd love to show the kids what Brenda can do and it would certainly answer some of the questions they have while they pass me in the halls, on deck and anywhere else on the ship. And, they, in turn, can help their parents to understand the many service's that these dogs perform.

We had a little autistic girl who came to the center where I work. She would not speak a word until the Psychologist who was seeing her parents had an idea and asked if she could borrow Brenda.....long story short after 2 weeks with therapy with Brenda, she started to speak.....I get teared-up when I think about it now.

Many people in my building ask for "time" with Brenda, when they're feeling stressed......I'm going to start charging.....just kidding! I totally "get it!"

Awwww! What a great way to start my Monday morning. Thanks everyone!

[dvdfreakmc]

Hi Peter and family,

I think you're thinking of the Bell Street Pier (Pier 66) which is right across the street from the Mariott. Pier 91 is brand new (not even completed yet) and is about 4-5 miles further north. For 2009, Norwegian and Celebrity will sail out of Pier 66 and Princess, Royal Caribbean and Holland America will sail out of Pier 91.

There aren't any hotels in the Pier 91 area so the Mariott is still a great suggestion for a place to stay. The Edgewater is also nearby; it's built on a pier right on the Sound and is the hotel the Beatles made famous when they fished out the window of their suite! In addition to Pike Market (a must-see--make sure you watch them throw the fish), Seattle's newly-remodeled aquarium and the Olympic Sculpture garden are within blocks of either hotel. And don't even get me started on the great restaurants in the neighborhood! If anyone wants recommendations, let me know.

Kathi (your willing Seattle virtual tour guide)


Kathi, you are so right. Thanks for the information -- and for popping in for comments! Sorry all for the "mis" information. I know that when we stayed at the Marriott, their shuttle took us to the old pier, way down south for HAL, so I would think that they might take to the new one even if it is a few miles away.

When I was a kid (lived in Victoria), we used to come over to Seattle and my favorite was the "Old Curiousity Shop", which back in the day used to be a mix between Ripley's and a 5 and dime. I know it was redone years ago into more of the tourist trap, but we still take Cameron to look at the strange and wonderful within it's walls when we are in town. The other thing we used to do in Seattle was go to the Sears Bargain Basement, but that is LONG gone.

[dvdfreakmc]

OMG: What an AMAZING thread.....I'm on sensory; emotional and above all spiritual overload. You guys make my heart sing.

Every one of these boards could learn so much from all of you! Hopefully, they are!

Kathi, you're a life saver. The information you've provided is wonderful. Terminal 91 is definitely where I need to be and the information for it won't be online until the end of February. I'll check back again then. You're "heads up" was very welcomed!

Since we're driving, we'd like to stay in a small town south of Seattle the night before and drive in the morning of the cruise, going directly to the ship.

And, when we disembark we'll take our time to adventure around the city and explore more of Seattle, then.

After some research we thought we'd stay in Tukwila. The hotel is lovely and it seems like a nice "bedroom" community. What's your thoughts and/or suggestions.

Again, thank you for any information you can provide.

Now back to our SD's.....I do believe that animals help in providing a calm, loving environment which helps in healing and longevity.

I think bringing the dogs into the children's area while cruising is an excellent idea....I must remember to speak to the crew about this in April and again in September.

I know I'd love to show the kids what Brenda can do and it would certainly answer some of the questions they have while they pass me in the halls, on deck and anywhere else on the ship. And, they, in turn, can help their parents to understand the many service's that these dogs perform.

We had a little autistic girl who came to the center where I work. She would not speak a word until the Psychologist who was seeing her parents had an idea and asked if she could borrow Brenda.....long story short after 2 weeks with therapy with Brenda, she started to speak.....I get teared-up when I think about it now.

Many people in my building ask for "time" with Brenda, when they're feeling stressed......I'm going to start charging.....just kidding! I totally "get it!"

Awwww! What a great way to start my Monday morning. Thanks everyone!

Awesome story and making me tear remembering virtually the same experience when Cameron received Werin. What a wonderful gift!

If memory serves I think I stayed at a Residence Inn in Tukwila or at least close to there. Nice area.

[wizard-of-roz]

Peter: I love your new Avatar with the amazing picture of Werin. What a beautiful girl!

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to truly see how gorgeous Brenda is because the black dogs don't photograph as well as the yellow's. But she's a beauty too!! :)

Well I just printed my Boarding Pass for our April cruise.....LOVE THAT!!!!!! :p;):)

I prepared my signs for the drink tub; I bring my own Arizona Diet Green Tea and water for Brenny. I leave the tub behind (I buy it at Walmart or Target for $6 or $7 dollars.) It has a great lid...I tape it shut, tape my signs to all of the sides....drop it off with the porters....give a good tip.... and, waahlah, it's delivered to our cabin.

I empty out the refrigerator; put my own stuff in it....it doesn't all fit...so, as we use it, I put more in. Always works great for the week or two that we're cruising.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to truly see how gorgeous Brenda is because the black dogs don't photograph as well as the yellow's. But she's a beauty too!! :)

Are you kidding me? Look at that avatar of Brenny? And she lets the kids read to her? She, Bailey and all our furbabies are amazing. I could be just a little prejudice, but I don't think so! :D

In a previous life, we had a half black lab and half springer spaniel. She was all black, looked like lab, but was small like a springer and off course her name was Spring. She was something else though. She would go to bed first, on my side of course, then growl at me when I tried to get in bed. Well I would just laugh at her and she would start wagging the tail.

I think that would be an awesome idea if they let you guys take the furbabies to the childrens area, on a cruise. I bet they would be surprised how much they could teach the adults. I even think a short informational meeting for anyone that wanted to attend could. That would clear up some of the questions that you get stopped and asked.

Everyone have a great evening.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

You, too, Nancy! ;)

[S.S. Cruisers]

Oh my, is everyone on a cruise? I know I have been busy, unfortunately not cruising. :( Well, the weekend is upon us, so everyone have a great one!

Nancy

[kerrytens]

Oh my, is everyone on a cruise? I know I have been busy, unfortunately not cruising. :( Well, the weekend is upon us, so everyone have a great one!

Nancy
I was beginning to wonder the same thing - you and I will need to hold down the fort, it seems until everyone returns ... and does some serious 'splaning about how we were forgotten :D:D
Have a great weekend folks!
Miriam

[sunshine426]

No cruise for me, but I have been working with a couple of 5 month old puppies. One came from a rescue group, so we are starting from scratch with him. I am giving huge praise for sits!!! He did really well on an outing to "Target" with me, I think he just needs some time. The other puppy is one that came from the breeding program, so his training started at day 1. Sits are easy for him, but he was more easily distracted. He also went on a shopping trip with me. I sure got lot's of ooohhhhs and ahhhhs, they both looked like they should be on TV, way to cute.

I am very easily entertained, so am enjoying my puppy time. Resident house dog is glad that most of my work is being done outside the house and she doesn't have to put up with a visitor. Don't tell her, but another one is coming home next week.

[Andar]

I am very easily entertained, so am enjoying my puppy time. Resident house dog is glad that most of my work is being done outside the house and she doesn't have to put up with a visitor. Don't tell her, but another one is coming home next week.

Wow, will you have three puppies all at once?
We did puppy raising for GDB but only one at a time.

I am working with Bailey on some new tasks. Using clicker training but we are taking a bread as she has had enough for tonight;)

[dvdfreakmc]

Peter: I love your new Avatar with the amazing picture of Werin. What a beautiful girl!

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to truly see how gorgeous Brenda is because the black dogs don't photograph as well as the yellow's. But she's a beauty too!! :)

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Crazy talk. Brenda's picture is superb. In fact, during training we did get our heart kinda set on a black lab that we were sure we were going to take home, but Werin was assigned to us instead. Of course, we LOVE Werin, but still enjoy Dark Labs.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Sunshine;
All I can say is WOW, 2 puppies and you're going to get another? No wonder you house dog says "look at the paw", and go outside! :D

Darcie;
I'm sure Bailey is doing great. Reno did well in school, just not at home. He has selective hearing at home. Or maybe its just because he is a boy! :o

Hope everyone has a fanastic weekend. We are all black and clouded over, maybe, just maybe we will actually get some rain out of it. We will gladly take all the rain they are getting west of us!

Miriam;
We can hold the fort down. Sometimes I will carry on a conversation by myself! Its that ok, normal? Probably not, but as Sunshine says, "I'm also easily entertained!"

Nancy

[sunshine426]

OK, I read my post again, and it does sound like I have two pups of my own. Sorry, did not mean to mislead. I volunteer with an orginization that trains service dogs. Unlike guide dogs these puppies are kept at the training facility and go home on visits with volunteers. They are placed anywhere from 15 months to two years. I like to do a combination of volunteering. Sometimes I will have a dog home for a week or two, lot's of outings, time with my dog, learning house manners etc. Other times I just go up to the farm and help however the trainer wants. Last few weeks I have been working with the two puppies mentioned. I come home reeking of "eue de dog" and my own lab gives me the once over. Has anyone worked with "flat coat retrievers"? I think I am going to be bringing one of these home next week for some house visit time.

[kerrytens]

OK, I read my post again, and it does sound like I have two pups of my own. Sorry, did not mean to mislead. I volunteer with an orginization that trains service dogs. Unlike guide dogs these puppies are kept at the training facility and go home on visits with volunteers. They are placed anywhere from 15 months to two years. I like to do a combination of volunteering. Sometimes I will have a dog home for a week or two, lot's of outings, time with my dog, learning house manners etc. Other times I just go up to the farm and help however the trainer wants. Last few weeks I have been working with the two puppies mentioned. I come home reeking of "eue de dog" and my own lab gives me the once over. Has anyone worked with "flat coat retrievers"? I think I am going to be bringing one of these home next week for some house visit time.
Oh man, I wish I had the time to devote to such a wonderful organization!!!! What a great thing to help out with. Can I ask if the pups are fostered at some point (to continue their training with one family) or do they stay in the facility until they are finally placed? Sorry, silly question I'm sure, but your post has really made me rethink how the whole process goes (well, at least in my head anyway :o)

[uppitycats]

I would be a terrible foster "mom". If an animal crosses my threshold, it's HOME...and I'd end up with way too many pups and/or cats! :o I couldn't bear to give up someond that I'd loved and trained and tended to...

which is why I now have 4 cats...probably 3 too many, but hey...they came in..they're here.

I really laud you folks who can do this sort of thing. There are so many unloved critters in shelters that just need someone to care for them!

[S.S. Cruisers]

Sunshine;
I knew they were in training pups, but come on, two of them, at one time and now a third? :D It sounds like you have it all under control. I can barely control my one big ole fat boy! And he has slowed down alot.

Uppitycats;
I couldn't do it either. They have a really terrible commercial on tv right now about animals that are turned in to animal shelters or found. I can't even watch it, I can't get the tv turned fast enough. We did get our little darling, Leann Emily, the kitty in my avatar from the shelter. I had to go thru the dog kennel to get to the cat kennel. I held my breath, closed my eyes and tried not to hear. I just can't take it. I always wonder about people who say they "hate" or don't like animals? Whats up with that.

Nancy

[sunshine426]

Oh man, I wish I had the time to devote to such a wonderful organization!!!! What a great thing to help out with. Can I ask if the pups are fostered at some point (to continue their training with one family) or do they stay in the facility until they are finally placed? Sorry, silly question I'm sure, but your post has really made me rethink how the whole process goes (well, at least in my head anyway :o)

There are a few volunteers who take pups and dogs home for extended visits. They actually work on true training while they live in the home. Sort of home schooled. These dogs are placed very young with their recepients, so most have not had real lengthy home visitation time, but have had exposure to many different homes, pets, places, personality types etc. It helps to know each dogs temperment and personality when matching with recepients.

If I give a piece of my heart to each of these animals they give me a bigger piece back. And when I see them graduate and go out in that world to work at someones side, my heart grows even bigger.

I have a yellow lab of my own and a fiesty old cat so my house is pretty full all by itself. I do enjoy the home visits, but they can be intense, so am usually ready to take the dog back and relax. When I have a dog or pup at home everyone has to be on their toes. No getting on the furniture, watch for counter surfing, help with house training, reward that positive behavior, try not to praise behavior you don't want to see........., whew I'm getting tired already. Now, time for my morning coffee and then some ball throwing with Sandy the spoiled rotten, love of my life, yellow lab. :)

[Andar]

It is so interesting the different methods of training/socializing the puppies. These dogs are amazing. :)
I just changed my avatar (again) to the pic of Bailey working in the Read 2 Rover program. I love her face in this pic.

[S.S. Cruisers]

I also love that picture of Bailey. She looks so intense and like she is reading the book too! What a sweetie.

Sunshine:
My big ole fat yellow boy is to the point where he says "You threw kong, you go get him!" I did buy him a rubber bone for Christmas and was surprised that he actually chews on it. He has his little stash in the house, two store bought bones and the rubber one. He will go get all three, come back and put them between his front legs. He then checks all three out before choosing one.

Nancy

[Andar]

OMG Nancy, you made me laugh about the bones everywhere. We just had the carpet replaced and the crew moved the furniture and put it back. When we got home there was a neat little pile of rawhides, toys and other treasures, Bailey had hidden. :o

[S.S. Cruisers]

Darcie;
Reno is so bad. Kitty can't have any toys because he takes them and shreds them. I think I have bought her 4 mice, one at time. He has snatched each one and shredded it. Both him and kitty go "shopping" in grandson's room for toys. Leann (Kitty) has a nice group. Reno goes for the stuffed animals so he can maul them. Grandson learned the "dog spit" and "kitty spit" words pretty quickly. He doesn't like to touch them all spitted up and tells me "You get them." I tell him "No, you left your bedroom door open." It's really quite comical around here.

Now, on topic, "I NEED A CRUISE!" Any cruise would do at this point.......:D

Nancy

[denversees4me]

hi all ... Hi Roz
whats everyone up to ?

[kerrytens]

Darcie;
Reno is so bad. Kitty can't have any toys because he takes them and shreds them. I think I have bought her 4 mice, one at time. He has snatched each one and shredded it. Both him and kitty go "shopping" in grandson's room for toys. Leann (Kitty) has a nice group. Reno goes for the stuffed animals so he can maul them. Grandson learned the "dog spit" and "kitty spit" words pretty quickly. He doesn't like to touch them all spitted up and tells me "You get them." I tell him "No, you left your bedroom door open." It's really quite comical around here.

Now, on topic, "I NEED A CRUISE!" Any cruise would do at this point.......:D

Nancy
So nice to know that my guys were not the only ones to 'go shopping' for toys in open bedrooms :D Madison was renowned for it - that and some good old grocery shopping for food too, chow hound that she was!
Thankfully my 13 yr. old Finn is long past his 'shopping' days and much happier sleeping now - my daughter is quite pleased with that too.
I'll join you in the cruise idea. What in the world has happened to me? I've only been on one and now I spend just about every spare moment on the computer searching for my next one - does it ever stop? :eek:

Miriam

[wizard-of-roz]

If I give a piece of my heart to each of these animals they give me a bigger piece back. And when I see them graduate and go out in that world to work at someones side, my heart grows even bigger.

Words to get "teary-eyed" over.

Hi, everyone! We just got our luggage tags and e-doc's for our April cruise.....I'm doing the "DOC-DANCE!" :p

And, there's a lovely group on our Cruise Critic board for the September 6th cruise to Alaska......Feel free to jump on, anyone!!!

Thanks Peter for the kind words....I never wanted a Black Lab.....but, now, she's the love of my life!!!!!

And, when I see the blonde hairs all over black pants, on those of you with yellow Labs.....I don't complaing too much! :rolleyes:

[S.S. Cruisers]

Miriam;
That would be a "no" it will never stop....so don't fight it. I think I like finding the all time best price for a cruise as much as I like cruising! :D

Roz:
How exciting! Seems almost real, huh? Next thing is getting packed and loaded into the car to start the journey. Does Brenny get excited when she sees the suitcases out? Reno doesn't pay too much attention to them. Now get his harness or leash and all bets are off, he's ready to go, anywhere. I have to practically drag him to get him to pee before getting into the car. As bad as a kid!

Nancy

[DisneyKidsDad]

Well...we went back up to CCI on Long Island on Friday to take our six month public access test at the Smith Haven Mall. We passed with flying colors. Orson was at his best. Now we are good for a year. I can now put my efforts to getting Orson's paperwork together for the cruise.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Orson is not only handsome, he's a smart boy too! Congrats.:D
Nancy

[dvdfreakmc]

Well...we went back up to CCI on Long Island on Friday to take our six month public access test at the Smith Haven Mall. We passed with flying colors. Orson was at his best. Now we are good for a year. I can now put my efforts to getting Orson's paperwork together for the cruise.


Congrats. I know our knees shake during those tests but after our 3 year one we felt great. Good job!

[Latitude 20]

The Westminster show is on TV tonight and tomorrow (USA and CNBC)! Andar, I just saw a dead-ringer for Bailey!

We just love looking at all the beautiful pups. And so do Toby and Tyler (seriously, they're staring at the TV right now).

Kathi

[Latitude 20]

OK, I'm now sort of live-blogging the show--hope no one minds!

They just had a tribute to service dogs. One young man in a wheelchair and an Iraq war vet with their dogs. Very moving.

The white bull terrier is retiring after tonight to become a therapy/reading dog.

Kerrytens--the Kerry Blue is up now--gorgeous pup!

Kathi

[Latitude 20]

Tyler's is still watching 90 minutes into the show. Toby's gone to bed.

So what's up with the handlers sticking the dog treats in their mouths? Yuck! Does anyone know why they do that?

The Staffordshire Terrier (aka Pit Bull) is up--what a beautiful dog that has been so debased by humans. Makes me want to cry.

So the Otterhound won the hound group and the Scottie won the terrier group. Non-sporting is up next. The other groups and best in show is tomorrow!

Kathi

[Latitude 20]

So the Otterhound won the hound group and the Scottie won the terrier group. Non-sporting is up next. The other groups and best in show is tomorrow!

I was wrong, it was the Scottish Deerhound that won the hound group. And we still have non-sporting and herding groups tonight. Sporting, Toy and Working groups are tomorrow.

The non-sporting group is especially dear to our hearts as Jay-Jay, our beloved Chinese Shar-Pei was the best dog ever and when she passed away in 2006 we were heartbroken. She actually picked out Toby for us as our next dog! The standard poodle won the group. Meh--nothing against the poodles but why do they give them those ridiculous haircuts?

Now onto the herding dogs--what an awesome group of bouncy, happy pups! The German Shepard Dog winner is a working Border Patrol dog. I didn't know that Corgies were herding dogs and who doesn't love an Old English Sheepdog? But the Puli won the herding group--Rasta dogs rule!

Kathi

[wizard-of-roz]

I love that they brought in the Service Dogs to show them off!!!! They well deserve it! I could hug them all!!!!!!!

I love watching the dog shows.....I've NEVER seen a Lab win, yet....no matter, they're the worlds number 1 dog!!!!

They don't actually give the dogs the "liver" treat they just allow them to taste it and want more.....it gets the dog to perform better! I love when the handler puts it into their mouth and allows the dog to lick it from there!

And, the poodle can be an amazing Service Dog (minus the cut!) :p Although, they're so regal looking and walking! It's really a treat to watch them pull a wheel chair or pay for the groceries, with the wallet in their mouth! :)

Disney: That's awesome! Congratulations!! Isn't it a great feeling once the testing is over and you know you did well!

Brenda will be 9 1/2 years old on her next testing. We'll see what CCI says. She's still sharp (a bit of a foreger but will stop when I call her on it!)

She'll go for her re-cert in San Diego......a really nice group of folks down there!

They literally ask you to put your dog in a "down-stay" and then they toss dog bisquits at her, they even lie the treats down, right under her nose and see if they can entice her. All the while I'm giving her the command "leave it!" She hasn't eaten a bisquit or a french fry, yet!

[DisneyKidsDad]

Disney: That's awesome! Congratulations!! Isn't it a great feeling once the testing is over and you know you did well!

Brenda will be 9 1/2 years old on her next testing. We'll see what CCI says. She's still sharp (a bit of a foreger but will stop when I call her on it!)

She'll go for her re-cert in San Diego......a really nice group of folks down there!

They literally ask you to put your dog in a "down-stay" and then they toss dog bisquits at her, they even lie the treats down, right under her nose and see if they can entice her. All the while I'm giving her the command "leave it!" She hasn't eaten a bisquit or a french fry, yet!

They did a bisquit toss as we were walking through the mall. They also had us sit at the food court and put the dogs on a down. They then tossed bisquits at them. :eek: Orson shifted himself around about 45 degrees not to see them. :rolleyes: I never had to say a word. :D

[wizard-of-roz]

EEEEK! The "dreaded food court!" That's where the french fries come in.....Poor Brenda....she gets sensory overload! She doesn't turn away like Orson.....Nooooo, she turns into the sight and smell of food and "plots" when she's going to go for it!

She'll try on her way out from underneath a table to reach for something "yummy" on the floor....afterall, she's been eyeing it for the past hour that she's been under the table.....she figures with all that restraint she's been using, she could have made a mad dash for it while we weren't looking, she deserves a reward for all the "control!" NOT!!!!! I swear, you'd think we didn't feed her!!!!! :rolleyes:

It's her worst habit......and, we've worked with her for over 7 years.....When we go to workshops the trainers have all kinds of suggestions (yeah! right!) They knew her personality the day we left CCI with her!....They just knew that I'd be able to control her! 99 & 3/4 percent...I can....but, every once in a while.....the "foreger" and "happy greeter" comes out in her! I've learned to not acknowledge her bad behavior and just keep moving with a "tug" on her lead....and a firm "let's go!"

[kerrytens]

Oh, I love Westminster!!! My first Wheaten Terror, err terrier, was sold to us as a potential show prospect (not that we wanted to go that route, it was more the breeder asking us). He didn't really grow into what she thought was suitable, which was fine with me so he lasted out his years as our lovely house dog. One of the best parts about having him come into our lives was the opportunity to get our second Wheaten - a retired show girl that the breeder placed with us. She had a few litters of pups (we raised one!!!) and from one of them, we got my current boy!!!!! Finnegan.
Madison, the Kerry Boo, came into our life after we lost Finn's mom to cancer (gee, I'm just a fountain of 'good' doggy news :(). She was my first REAL intro into dog shows - she was sold to me as 'pet quality' (have to love that term!) but when her breeder saw her again at 14 weeks, she begged me to allow her to show her. Said she made a HUGE mistake in her judgement. And she was right, Maddie went on to to win some pretty big things as a pup, including some specialty shows!!!
As for seeing the Kerry last night, I BAWLED!!! It has been 3 months since losing Maddie but every once in a while something really reminds me of her and the mere thought of not being able to hug that soft curlies fur anymore .... well, you get the idea :(:(
Of course, I loved watching the Wheaten too (I'd stopped crying at that point!!!) but the handler was shaking like a leaf it seemed. Must be nerve wracking to say the least.
But, I still ADORE this show. What an honour it must be to be invited to show in Madison Square Gardens and then to win your breed ... OMG!!!!
My fave terrier last night was the Norwich Terrier - thought he had it for a bit but the Scottie was quite deserving.
Can't wait for tonight's blog!!!
Miriam

[sunshine426]

EEEEK! The "dreaded food court!" That's where the french fries come in.....Poor Brenda....she gets sensory overload! She doesn't turn away like Orson.....Nooooo, she turns into the sight and smell of food and "plots" when she's going to go for it!

She'll try on her way out from underneath a table to reach for something "yummy" on the floor....afterall, she's been eyeing it for the past hour that she's been under the table.....she figures with all that restraint she's been using, she could have made a mad dash for it while we weren't looking, she deserves a reward for all the "control!" NOT!!!!! I swear, you'd think we didn't feed her!!!!! :rolleyes:

It's her worst habit......and, we've worked with her for over 7 years.....When we go to workshops the trainers have all kinds of suggestions (yeah! right!) They knew her personality the day we left CCI with her!....They just knew that I'd be able to control her! 99 & 3/4 percent...I can....but, every once in a while.....the "foreger" and "happy greeter" comes out in her! I've learned to not acknowledge her bad behavior and just keep moving with a "tug" on her lead....and a firm "let's go!"

I love hearing these stories. I had to pass handling classes and a final certification before I became a certified volunteer handler. Yikes, I wouldn't want to do it again! And you have to do it every year??? I didn't know that. Congrats all of you.
The dreaded food court. I am always checking under the table for fries etc before we sit, but I think they just appear from no where.

[sunshine426]

I have a flat coated retriever home with me for a few days of outings and socialization. He is super sweet, stays right by my side, so far has pretty good house manners. I thought I was pretty knowledble abt my dog breeds, especially the retrievers, but I hadn't heard of this. Needless to say before I met him, I had consulted my dog breed book and done some internet surfing. He looks more like a setter to me than a retreiver. The orginization has two they are training for service. Want to see if the extra heighth will help with those who have balance issues.
He sure is pretty or I guess I should say handsome.

[sunshine426]

No thanks are needed. I only share because it is a different path with a service dog that I have. Right now I have a six month old black lab-golden mix sleeping next to me. We had a great trip to home depot, a walk around the lake at heel(which took lot's of treats and motivation), she stayed with me while I unloaded the dishwasher, and is doing great with "Leave It's. I only met her this morning, and will return her tomorow. She is going to make a great best friend for someone some day. Maybe she will even go on a cruise or two!!! Iwas taking a side trip down memory lane and re reading this thread. When I came to this post I had to smile. That puppy graduated in November. She was a young graduate at 13 months, but was a superstar. Her recepient was a little girl, in a wheel chair and the two were bonded from the first moment they came together.

[kerrytens]

I love hearing these stories. I had to pass handling classes and a final certification before I became a certified volunteer handler. Yikes, I wouldn't want to do it again! And you have to do it every year??? I didn't know that. Congrats all of you.
The dreaded food court. I am always checking under the table for fries etc before we sit, but I think they just appear from no where.
Same here - I had no idea that the dogs have to be tested every year. Can I ask what happens if a dog does not pass (not possible with any of the guys on this list :) but ...)???
Miriam

[kerrytens]

Iwas taking a side trip down memory lane and re reading this thread. When I came to this post I had to smile. That puppy graduated in November. She was a young graduate at 13 months, but was a superstar. Her recepient was a little girl, in a wheel chair and the two were bonded from the first moment they came together.
Amazing!!! Thanks for actually taking that trip down memory lane so that I could learn about this superstar. Love it!!!
Do you get regular updates at all about the pups you've helped, either from the organization your volunteer with or the families who have been blessed with them???
I've often wondered if I could raise a SD but from what you describe, the joy/peace of mind/happiness etc that they bring to their families would far outweight that heavy heart. Besides, they are always part of you!!!

Miriam

[sunshine426]

I thought that dog would be going out in the January 2009 training camp. I was on vacation the first week in November when I got the word from her trainer. They just could not find a match for her in the November camp, so they went to the trainers to see who else might be ready. She aced her service dog exam, and they tried her out. I had some photos from her LAST home vist and her FIRST home visit to give to this fabulous family. I was soooooooo proud of her.

[Valentine's Mom]

Hello again! It has been a long time. I have been fighting off my MS lately and not doing especially well. I am starting a new drug called Copaxon that I am very hopeful about. Down side is I have to give myself a shot every day. YUK!!:eek: I'm sure I'll be up and crusing very soon and promise to write more often about myself and Valentine and our adventures.

I'm always so frustrated with the dog shows because if you get to see a Japanese Chin they sure never get picked out of the group as special. Makes me made every time! It may be because I have the most beautiful, most well behaved, lovable, and any other good thing that you can think of as my service dog. Her name is Valentine but her papers say she is "Cutie Pie be my Valentine". Talk about a prissy name!:D Since we have been on the boards we have did a T/A crossing from Rome to FL. Valentine did very well but did receive way too many "drive by pettings" I do wish the public could understand that that dog gets to be there for a reason and with special reasons and that no they can not bring fluffy along with them next time.

Valentine and I are getting ready to take my Mom and Sister on a 6 day cruise to the Bahamas. This will be my sister's first cruise. I think it's harder to get paperwork for the bahamas than to go to Europe.:( Does anyone know if anything besides shot records is needed if not leaving the ship? I also have to find some new pictures to post of Valentine in Europe for all to see.

Feels good to be back
Barbara

[DisneyKidsDad]

Same here - I had no idea that the dogs have to be tested every year. Can I ask what happens if a dog does not pass (not possible with any of the guys on this list :) but ...)???
Miriam

Kerry,

With CCI, if a dog or human does not pass the public access test, then you cannot take it out in public until you pass a rescheduled test. They want to make sure the SD doesn't become just a well trained pet that they spent so much time and money to train.

[sunshine426]

Kerry,

With CCI, if a dog or human does not pass the public access test, then you cannot take it out in public until you pass a rescheduled test. They want to make sure the SD doesn't become just a well trained pet that they spent so much time and money to train.

Is it a state or federal law that these re exams occur or is it up to the original training orginization? It does sound like a good idea.

[sunshine426]

Hello again! It has been a long time. I have been fighting off my MS lately and not doing especially well. I am starting a new drug called Copaxon that I am very hopeful about. Down side is I have to give myself a shot every day. YUK!!:eek: I'm sure I'll be up and crusing very soon and promise to write more often about myself and Valentine and our adventures.

I'm always so frustrated with the dog shows because if you get to see a Japanese Chin they sure never get picked out of the group as special. Makes me made every time! It may be because I have the most beautiful, most well behaved, lovable, and any other good thing that you can think of as my service dog. Her name is Valentine but her papers say she is "Cutie Pie be my Valentine". Talk about a prissy name!:D Since we have been on the boards we have did a T/A crossing from Rome to FL. Valentine did very well but did receive way too many "drive by pettings" I do wish the public could understand that that dog gets to be there for a reason and with special reasons and that no they can not bring fluffy along with them next time.

Valentine and I are getting ready to take my Mom and Sister on a 6 day cruise to the Bahamas. This will be my sister's first cruise. I think it's harder to get paperwork for the bahamas than to go to Europe.:( Does anyone know if anything besides shot records is needed if not leaving the ship? I also have to find some new pictures to post of Valentine in Europe for all to see.

Feels good to be back
Barbara

Sorry for quoting the entire passage, I just wanted to offer some information re: needle stick pain. You might already know this. There are a few products that can help with this. One is L-Max. This is an over the counter cream that you apply to the injection site abt 15 minutes prior to the stick. It numbs the skin so in theory you won't feel the stick at all. It works well in the hospital environment. The other is a new devise that is just being marketed. I don't know the link, but if you put in "buzzy for shots" on a search engine you can find it. Maybe some day no one will even know what needle stick pain is.

[DisneyKidsDad]

Is it a state or federal law that these re exams occur or is it up to the original training orginization? It does sound like a good idea.

I do not know the answer to this question. I only know that CCI requires a re-test six months after graduation, then one after one year, then it can be anywhere from one to three years depending on how well the test goes.

[Valentine's Mom]

Hi Sunshine,
Thanks for the information on the help with shot pain. I use to be a nurse quite a few years ago but it sure is different to give myself a shot! I have given myself shots several years ago with regular needles and syringes but this time they have given me this spring loaded contraption to deliver the medication. It works really well and I can't feel the needle go in but the medicine really BURNS! I have been applying ice and it does help. I will check out the buzzy for shots though. Can never have too much info!

[kerrytens]

Kerry,

With CCI, if a dog or human does not pass the public access test, then you cannot take it out in public until you pass a rescheduled test. They want to make sure the SD doesn't become just a well trained pet that they spent so much time and money to train.
That certainly makes sense! Can you be tested again within a reasonable amount of time (ie days or a week or so) or do you have to wait until testing is rescheduled for another group?? (again, I'm sure it is a silly question so my apologies)

Miriam

[sunshine426]

Hi Sunshine,
Thanks for the information on the help with shot pain. I use to be a nurse quite a few years ago but it sure is different to give myself a shot! I have given myself shots several years ago with regular needles and syringes but this time they have given me this spring loaded contraption to deliver the medication. It works really well and I can't feel the needle go in but the medicine really BURNS! I have been applying ice and it does help. I will check out the buzzy for shots though. Can never have too much info!
Another product that might help with the burn requires a prescription, and maybe you have already tried it. It is called "Emla" cream. If you put it on about 3 hours before the injection it numbs a bit deeper. In the hospital setting, I'll apply it 1 hour before an iv start or blood draw. Up to three hours before an IM shot.

[DisneyKidsDad]

That certainly makes sense! Can you be tested again within a reasonable amount of time (ie days or a week or so) or do you have to wait until testing is rescheduled for another group?? (again, I'm sure it is a silly question so my apologies)

Miriam

No such thing as a silly question. I really can't give you an accurate answer though, as this hasn't happened. I think it would be at least a few months before you could re-test. Maybe someone else here that is involved with CCI could give you a better answer.

[wizard-of-roz]

No such thing as a silly question. I really can't give you an accurate answer though, as this hasn't happened. I think it would be at least a few months before you could re-test. Maybe someone else here that is involved with CCI could give you a better answer.

CCI requires that ALL their Service Dog Teams be certified in all aspects of public access. (Except for Facility Dogs, they only have access to the facility they work with.) If the Team does not pass the required testing. They're asked to NOT use public facilities and are invited back for re-testing when the next group testing is conducted. However, there are always special circumstances and they may be able to be re-tested sooner.

CCI does not take Public Access lightly. They insist that the "Teams" representing them (and wearing their vests and logo's) be on the "mark!" It's a good thing!!!!!

This certification is in accordance with the Department of Justice guidelines for Service Animals in public venues.

Barabara: Welcome back! I'm sorry to hear about your "flare-up" but so glad to hear that it has not slowed down your cruising. Have a wonderful cruise with your family. They'll love their first cruise......

[DisneyKidsDad]

See...I told ya someone would have the answer. And somehow I know it would be ROZ. :D

[kerrytens]

Thanks Roz and DisneyDad,

It sure makes sense that the dogs/families need to be tested on a regular basis. Yet another thing I've learned here!!!

Now, here is a doggie question - my Finn, 13 years young, has always been a super healthy guy up until a little over year ago when he started to be plagued with yeast infections on his skin. His worst episode was the first when his skin literally looked like ground beef :eek:. We got it all cleared up nicely - or so we thought. But it just keeps reoccuring (thankfully not even close to being as bad). I've had test after test done on him to find the root cause but every test comes back normal/negative. We do know it's yeast and not some other nasty beasty thing.
Just wondering if anyone else has had to deal with yeast infections on their doggies??? What did you do?

Miriam

[S.S. Cruisers]

Miriam;
No Reno just licks and licks his front legs and paws. Doctor prescribed Benedryl for that. Works pretty good, but he has episodes, like right now. He gets small brownish spots on his fur, where he licks but they go away. Very bizarre. Good luck, wouldn't want a "hamburger" looking furbaby wondering around. :(
Nancy

[dvdfreakmc]

Same here - I had no idea that the dogs have to be tested every year. Can I ask what happens if a dog does not pass (not possible with any of the guys on this list :) but ...)???
Miriam


Actually we are ususally on pins and needles on these tests, and do special practice at the mall before the test, because after our two week training at our end of class mall test, Werin ate something under one of the benches -- supposed to be an automatic fail, but the instructors scheduled us for an earlier re-test date and we think took pity on us, since we had worked really hard in class. Since Cameron is mobile, they had a talk with us before the test about whether a dog that was a "little more active" (i.e. a little more to handle) or a less active dog would work better. We picked the more active dog, which we think now was code for - "Werin may not have been placed with an individual in a chair or moble assistance situation." because she is more active minded.

We then came back for the 6 month test, then one year, and will have our 3 year test in 2010. She has worked out great, but gave us a really big scare at that first test.

Happy Valentine's Day -- we all went out last night for Valentines Day after all going to a movie (Coraline in 3D) and Werin did really well - no eating under the table for her. ha, ha.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Some times I think our Labs are like vacuum cleaners. Reno just scoops it up and swallows whatever it is, so what pleasure does he get out of it? Its not like it was a treat and it tasted good, he didn't even taste it. Some times he does get things in his mouth, then does the lock jaw thing. You would need a tow truck to pry his mouth open! Kitty and grandsons toys are specially good! But wouldn't trade the chow hounds for anything!

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Werin is my kind of gal!!!!! And, she's "wired" just like Brenny. Brenny could not be handled by her orginal "person" (in a wheelchair-she was always foreging and tugging at the leash), she was way too food motivated and just filled with energy (still is!) She was sent from Oceanside to Santa Rosa because the woman just couldn't control her (this was after 3 months-a lifetime for a dog).....very sad for Brenda (because she started to "bond" and then had to be shuffled around) :o.....

CCI decided to take this amazingly alert dog and redirect her.....they knew she would need a very "strong", "persistent" and "consistant" handler! They also knew that she needed tons of love and reassurance, afterall, she had gone home with someone, learned this person's habits and was then rejected.

They did the smart thing by moving her out of the environment of Oceanside...move her to a new place...where she could literally "start over!" CCI is very wise about dog behavior and what's best for the dog!

She's a genious now....Oh! She's still a bit overwhelming in the "spirit" department and will literally pull me off my feet to reach for something on the ground......we're still working on that one! :rolleyes: Let's see....she's 9 now....maybe by the time she's 12 she'll get it!!!!!! OR NOT! :(

When I correct her.....she gives me a look of "Oh! God!", "What have I done?", "I'm so, so sorry!" She can be re-directed and can behave absolutely PERFECTLY, when needed to! Hence, the reason I adore her!

I just don't like her to do anything "OFF" in public.....

I know what a "character" she is and how she needs the time and space to "let loose"......I allow for that "character whithin" to come out and have some fun.....afterall, it's really who I am too!!!!! ;)

[S.S. Cruisers]

Roz: Thats why we love em. They have individual personalities, but similar traits. Like the vacuum nose I mentioned. Reno was never socialized properly. He was home with dad for probably his first 8 years. Not a lot of company, so when people come over he just mauls them with kisses and rubs and it is embarassing. Haven't been able to get that under control.....We always work on it though.

Now, on my way to work, 2 different yards. One has a chocolate lab that lays out in the sun, stretched as long as she can just soaking it up. Beautiful girl. Second yard has a dalmation that is all spotted like he suppose to be, but on his butt he has a solid, big black circle, then the first half of his tail is solid black and the bottom half is solid white. Kind of like his coloring was done before mama pushed him out. What a cutie, though.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Roz: Thats why we love em. They have individual personalities, but similar traits. Like the vacuum nose I mentioned. Reno was never socialized properly. He was home with dad for probably his first 8 years. Not a lot of company, so when people come over he just mauls them with kisses and rubs and it is embarassing. Haven't been able to get that under control.....We always work on it though.

Now, on my way to work, 2 different yards. One has a chocolate lab that lays out in the sun, stretched as long as she can just soaking it up. Beautiful girl. Second yard has a dalmation that is all spotted like he suppose to be, but on his butt he has a solid, big black circle, then the first half of his tail is solid black and the bottom half is solid white. Kind of like his coloring was done before mama pushed him out. What a cutie, though.

Nancy


AWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!

Now, a cruise question.....We'll be going to Alaska in September and I need advice on the best ports for walking off the ship (with Brenny and Morey) and, just exploring on our own.....Please feel free to advise me!

We're doing the Inside Passage; Skagway, Juno, Ketchikan...I know I'll need to be prepared for wet weather....what else?

[Andar]

I think Sitka is the best to just get off the ship and walk around.
It is a small town so you can see all of it.
Next would be Ketchikan.
But look through the excursions and see what sounds interesting and then go from there. Even though I don't pay for the excursions most of the time, the information I use to plan what I want to see.
Roz, we may be in a port at the same time. My cruise leaves S.F. on the first for 10 days. I see you are on the Golden, I am on Sea Princess here is the itinerary
Arrival Departure
1 San Francisco, California 4:00 PM
2 At Sea
3 At Sea
4 Ketchikan, Alaska 7:00 AM 3:00 PM
5 Juneau, Alaska 8:00 AM 10:00 PM
6 Skagway, Alaska 7:00 AM 8:00 PM
7 Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska (Scenic Cruising) 5:00 AM 10:00 AM
8 At Sea
9 Victoria, British Columbia 6:00 AM 2:00 PM
10 At Sea
11 San Francisco, California

[wizard-of-roz]

I think Sitka is the best to just get off the ship and walk around.
It is a small town so you can see all of it.
Next would be Ketchikan.
But look through the excursions and see what sounds interesting and then go from there. Even though I don't pay for the excursions most of the time, the information I use to plan what I want to see.
Roz, we may be in a port at the same time. My cruise leaves S.F. on the first for 10 days. I see you are on the Golden, I am on Sea Princess here is the itinerary
Arrival Departure
1 San Francisco, California 4:00 PM
2 At Sea
3 At Sea
4 Ketchikan, Alaska 7:00 AM 3:00 PM
5 Juneau, Alaska 8:00 AM 10:00 PM SEATTLE
6 Skagway, Alaska 7:00 AM 8:00 PM AT SEA
7 Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska (Scenic Cruising) 5:00 AM 10:00 AM JUNEAU
8 At Sea SKAGWAY
9 Victoria, British Columbia 6:00 AM 2:00 PM TRACY ARM
10 At Sea KETCHIKAN
11 San Francisco, California VICTORIA

Darcie....It looks like we'll truly be "ships passing in the night"......It would have been fun to see each other on land some where......

[wizard-of-roz]

VICTORIA belongs next to your San Francisco.

[kerrytens]

VICTORIA

Darcie....It looks like we'll truly be "ships passing in the night"......It would have been fun to see each other on land some where......
Roz and Andar,
I so envy your trips to Alaska! Despite being from the frozen north, an Alaskan cruise has always been on my wish list - and that was even before I knew how much I love being on a ship :rolleyes:
I do notice you are only in Victoria for a short while - too bad, prettiest city in Canada in my mind! Of course there are many other lovely ports on your itineraries so no worries ;)
Miriam

[sunshine426]

Hey Roz. I was on the 10 day Voyage of the Glaciers abt 18 months ago. It was fabulous. I did write a review, but let me rethink a few things, and then I'll let you know my opinion of the ports of call. We had no tender ports, and their was pretty good transportation in each port. Are you thinking in terms of Brenda or in terms of wheel chair accessability?

[sunshine426]

By the way, last week I worked with a 10 month old "flat coated" retriever. He was so sweet, and very smart. Had a single coat, so he was dry super fast after his bath. I really enjoyed him, his face looked more like a setter than a retriever. Kind of like he got squoooshed long ways. He went with me to high school, to middle school, grocery shopping, shoe shopping, target shopping, laundry detail......... Was terrific. Expect he will do very well with his SD tests.

[kerrytens]

By the way, last week I worked with a 10 month old "flat coated" retriever. He was so sweet, and very smart. Had a single coat, so he was dry super fast after his bath. I really enjoyed him, his face looked more like a setter than a retriever. Kind of like he got squoooshed long ways. He went with me to high school, to middle school, grocery shopping, shoe shopping, target shopping, laundry detail......... Was terrific. Expect he will do very well with his SD tests.
OMG, I LOVE flat coated retrievers!!!! Of course I tend to be drawn to the more 'unusual' breeds, shall we say :D
Miriam
PS. Can't wait to hear about that Alaska cruise either ....

[Andar]

Ah, too bad our ships will be crossing in the night. That would have been fun to run into you at a port. I would have recognized Brenny anywhere!:)

[wizard-of-roz]

Roz and Andar,
I so envy your trips to Alaska! Despite being from the frozen north, an Alaskan cruise has always been on my wish list - and that was even before I knew how much I love being on a ship :rolleyes:
I do notice you are only in Victoria for a short while - too bad, prettiest city in Canada in my mind! Of course there are many other lovely ports on your itineraries so no worries ;)
Miriam

Miriam: Yes, I agree, Victoria is lovely. We were there many years ago.

Princess was offering such a great deal it was unbeatable and an opportunity that was very difficult to pass up!

In these more than troubling times for so many families, I feel very fortunate to be able to take these cruises and feel blessed that I have a wonderful family to enjoy them with!

[wizard-of-roz]

Miriam: I'm sorry this response is so late about the yeast infection thing.

Brenda was diagnosed with a "yeast infection" in both her ears. The cure nearly killed her.

After many years of my thinking that I was "on top" of her ear cleaning, etc. The doctor examined her on a routine exam and found yeast in both her ears. She was absolutely showing no symptoms. He prescribed Prednisone (we had no idea that she was highly sensitive to this medicine) and she went into "shock!" It was horrible. We literally had to bring her back from death. She couldn't walk/eat/sleep, etc., etc., it was horrible.

It cured her yeast problem but she can no longer take Prednisone. She is now on a maintenance/daily dosage of 50mg Benadryl in the am and 50mg's in the pm and she's doing amazingly well. Not one more symptom of yeast/redness in her ears or eyes and she's a new girl! This is 8 months now......

I place the capsule in her kibble and she downs it with her food. Sometimes she'll leave it behind and, I pick it up; place it in a roll of cheese and waahlah!

[kerrytens]

Miriam: I'm sorry this response is so late about the yeast infection thing.

Brenda was diagnosed with a "yeast infection" in both her ears. The cure nearly killed her.

After many years of my thinking that I was "on top" of her ear cleaning, etc. The doctor examined her on a routine exam and found yeast in both her ears. She was absolutely showing no symptoms. He prescribed Prednisone (we had no idea that she was highly sensitive to this medicine) and she went into "shock!" It was horrible. We literally had to bring her back from death. She couldn't walk/eat/sleep, etc., etc., it was horrible.

It cured her yeast problem but she can no longer take Prednisone. She is now on a maintenance/daily dosage of 50mg Benadryl in the am and 50mg's in the pm and she's doing amazingly well. Not one more symptom of yeast/redness in her ears or eyes and she's a new girl! This is 8 months now......

I place the capsule in her kibble and she downs it with her food. Sometimes she'll leave it behind and, I pick it up; place it in a roll of cheese and waahlah!
Oh my gosh Brenny!!! Not a good thing to find out the hard way that your pet is allergic to something. Finn is ultra sensitive (I wouldn't go as far as saying allergic but perhaps he is and they are just 'mild' in comparison for him ...) to almost everything out there that doggies are supposed to have. Poor Brenda! It must have been so scary to watch.

My Madison was on high doses of prednisone for the last 6 months of her life - it basically put her lymphoma into complete remission for a quite a while and gave us MANY, MANY more weeks with her! She wasn't supposed to make it 6 weeks (the vet told me 2 to 4 weeks!) after her diagnosis let alone 6 months. It really did a number on her metabolism though. And on her internal organs but we knew it was a trade off of sorts considering the stage she was already in when we found out about her illness. At one point when she was in remission and feeling so great, it really hit home to me when I asked the vet about weaning her off and he said it is keeping her alive now. Eeks! :eek:

Anyway, in my case it was one of those double edged sword drugs - I would have preferred not to have given it to my dog but I was forced to. Not a drug anyone should ever take lightly - and now Brenda is full proof of that!!! Glad that all things are under control now for her :D

Miriam
PS. And sorry, didn't mean to bring this thread down again with my story about Maddie - guess I just need to get stuff out still about her. Honestly, she was a character and a half! Literally my most pack oriented dog ever to the point of separation anxiety but oh so sweet and loving (although in her own super duper exhuberant way!!). I miss the goof!

[sunshine426]

Oooops, we were on a 7 day cruise to Alaska. Our ports of call were Ketchikan, Juneau and Skagway.
In Ketchikan was just walked around port. My mom was with us and had gotten woooed into the buy the shopping thing and go to all the jewelry stores of the free stuff. Sucha waste of time, but we tried to be pretty good sports about it. We did get to this fun little section in the back of town. I think it was called crooked creek. The sidewalks might be a bit challenging for a wheelchair, maybe someone else can speak to that. But we had a pretty tasty lunch their. Bought lot's of Salmon stuff to take home(and later I had some more of the canned salmon shippped to my house,ymmmmm), and looked at some native art. We were going to go see the totem village but the jewely scavenger hunt ate up our time. :D
Skagway, we took the train ride thru the mountains. Totally cool and very wheelchair accessible. Fabulous scenery and the trains come right up to the dock.
I'll post later abt Juneau.

[wizard-of-roz]

Miriam: I love your stories about Maddie and never get tired of reading about them. We ALL share in your love and respect for your dogs, as we feel the same way about ours! They're ALL so, so special in their own unique ways. Thank you so much for sharing her with us! Please don't stop!

Sunshine: Thanks for the "Alaska insights." It's always fun to hear of others experiences, even the not so fun ones! :o

I'm always drawn to the Jewelry stores, etc. But, am always disappointed in one way or another. I won't let that happen in Alaska.....although, the totem poles are definitely a draw!

[kerrytens]

Oooops, we were on a 7 day cruise to Alaska. Our ports of call were Ketchikan, Juneau and Skagway.
In Ketchikan was just walked around port. My mom was with us and had gotten woooed into the buy the shopping thing and go to all the jewelry stores of the free stuff. Sucha waste of time, but we tried to be pretty good sports about it. We did get to this fun little section in the back of town. I think it was called crooked creek. The sidewalks might be a bit challenging for a wheelchair, maybe someone else can speak to that. But we had a pretty tasty lunch their. Bought lot's of Salmon stuff to take home(and later I had some more of the canned salmon shippped to my house,ymmmmm), and looked at some native art. We were going to go see the totem village but the jewely scavenger hunt ate up our time. :D
Skagway, we took the train ride thru the mountains. Totally cool and very wheelchair accessible. Fabulous scenery and the trains come right up to the dock.
I'll post later abt Juneau.
Can't wait to hear more about Alaska!!! Makes me want to go even more .... but not right now. It is cold and snowy in the frozen north :(

Miriam

[kerrytens]

Miriam: I love your stories about Maddie and never get tired of reading about them. We ALL share in your love and respect for your dogs, as we feel the same way about ours! They're ALL so, so special in their own unique ways. Thank you so much for sharing her with us! Please don't stop!

Sunshine: Thanks for the "Alaska insights." It's always fun to hear of others experiences, even the not so fun ones! :o

I'm always drawn to the Jewelry stores, etc. But, am always disappointed in one way or another. I won't let that happen in Alaska.....although, the totem poles are definitely a draw!
Thanks Roz!!!
Have I mentioned she was a total BRAT too??? :D:D

And, I'm with you on the jewelry thing too - love them but I'm always disappointed (although I did manage to get my mom a really nice pair of studs in St. Thomas - best part was the very unexpected bartering. I was walking out the door and heard that magic question ... how much do YOU want to spend!!!!! Sweet!)

Miriam

[wizard-of-roz]

Bratty" dogs....my favorite......such characters!

I love "deals" and I can't wait to go back to St. Thomas; one of my most favorite ports.

[sunshine426]

I just got the post card from Princess with the unbelievable Alaska Cruise deals. Where were those two years ago. Yeah, I know. The economy raises it's head. I am hoping it doesn't affect the service dog programs. So far the one I am with is doing well, but they really depend on the big sponsors for much of the $$$.

On our last cruise I found my self imagining myself with a dog or wheel chair and tried to spot the barriers. DH laughed at me when I started to note where the auto doors were and where the big bathrooms were. Then I saw they were already noted on the fold up map Princess gives you.:o

Yikes, I have dogs on the brain, even on vacation.:D

Off to work now. Dogless until next week, so maybe the house pup will get some attention. Goodness knows I need to get out and get some exercise.

[wizard-of-roz]

Sunshine: I, too, hope that the Service Dog industry is not hit too hard. It will be because the not-for-profit world is going to have an even harder time than ever raising donors interests. I hope it's not too bad for the programs! There are so many that desparately need the services of these amazing animals. We'll see!

Isn't it funny how much of our thinking goes towards different circumstances in life that a dog could help and how the environment can handle their walking with someone in a wheelchair, with a cane or a walker.

I do these scenerios, in my head, all the time.....

Have a wonderful weekend, everyone!!!!! :)

[kerrytens]

Bratty" dogs....my favorite......such characters!


:D:D:D Me too!!!
Have I mentioned before that I used to volunteer with a dog trainer in my area?? I found her through training my first Wheaten who was one tough cookie who I discovered needed WAY more leadership than what I was trying to do - oops! Anyway, we did gain that leadership role eventually and he taught me a lot about doggies in general. It was through him that my next Wheaten made her way into my life.
Well, Millie was the PERFECT dog in every way and could easily have gone through life with no training whatsoever and never ever have gotten into trouble but of course I was hooked on doggie training at that point so she was trained to a CDX level too (never competed because I was WAY to scared to try). She and I were the demo dog team for the beginner classes. Eventually I worked my way up to helping out with the classes and working some of the dogs too.
Finn (Millie's son) is by far my best trained dog and if it weren't for his arthritis now, we would do a lot more of the jumping, drop on recall stuff but it just wouldn't be good for him now. What a guy in his prime, he was!!!!!
Maddie, well, let's just say she was my biggest challenge - Kerries are FAR more terrier than Wheatens are and because of that, they are doubly strong willed, high prey, and with her, highly food oriented (she often could not focus if food was in sight). And forget about trying to ask her to do something two times in a row!!!!!! She was also the doggie alpha by 5 months of age so that gives you an idea of how much I needed to be on top of that leadership stuff with her ;)
But, with all that said about her, with her strong drives (again, she was also my most pack oriented dog and that is quite the statement considering how Millie was), I do believe if properly channeled she could have been an amazing SD for Hannah!!!!
Speaking of drives, have any of you heard about the drives testing for your dogs??? It is super interesting to do and really gives you a lot of insight on how exactly to train your dogs. The numbers had Finn as my most balanced in numbers and therefore his feat as my best trained and easily trained dog. It is really cool!!!
Just wondering if the SD organizations use anything like that in their training??? I'm sure they must use some sort of puppy testing ... yes???

Miriam

[wizard-of-roz]

Miriam, again some wonderful stories. You probably could have been a trainer for Service Dogs.

Brenda and her classmates, all 20 of them, were trained with rabbits, cats and some squirrels right in the room with them. Of course the rabbit, cats and squirrels were loose at different times along with sandwiches/bologna/cheese and kibble being layed all around the room (at different times, too!) If that's what you mean by "drives testing."

There were a few dogs who would stay behind the person they were working with just so they could "eye" the kitty that was walking across the floor or stare down the squirrel that had just lept into the tree. We were constantly reminding the dogs to stay within the "invisible box", next to the person they were walking with. A true challenge, at times.

It's fun to train and the most fun to watch each dog and see what really "drives" them!

When I was a little girl my father brought home a KerryBlue Terrier, who was probably the most disobedient but fun loving dog we ever had. She only wanted to run and play and jump and dig. She was a beautiful girl!

[kerrytens]

Roz, first off - wow, that is some amazing distraction training for those pups!!!! Bravo. I can certainly see some dogs going for the avoidance techniqe :D Of course, I can see why it needs to be so high level too. Really cool story! When you are being tested, does it hit that degree again??

As for drives, it basically gives you a number on where your dog stands for the four following drives: Prey, Pack, Fight and Flight
A 'balanced' dog will have a certain number within each drive and depending on what drive it is, it will be just enough (or little) to give them coping skills to manage a situation.
Prey drive basically boils down to survival - it is the basic need of the dog to find food and in our dogs it can come down to chasing that squirrel (not for food mind you but because that hunting skill is still inately wired in our dogs albeit deep down). Hunting dogs have high prey drive but it has been hyper focused to retrieve 'its' quarry for its pack leader.
Pack drive is exactly how it sounds - the desire to be part of a pack. Of course everyone wants a high pack drive dog but they can also be the ones who get into trouble because of separation anxiety. All basic obedience training is designed to keep the dog in pack drive as much as possible (or at least our training was)
Fight/Flight drive - just like us humans, it basically is all about how a dog reacts to any situation. Do you hold your ground (fight) or run like heck (flight)???? Again, using obedience these two drives are incredibly important to a trainer - and here comes the obscure part of the whole thing - a dog needs to be put into fight drive in order to switch a drive.
So, here is how it works (in my most excellent explanation :confused:)
You and doggie are walking quietly down the street and all is good. The dog is walking nicely by your side and occasionally looking up at you (wow, good pack drive kids) when suddenly a squirrel darts across your path. Doggie immediately lunges (oops, we are in prey drive now). Well, this isn't exactly what you want so you give the dog a command or a check to bring it back to lala land with you - this 'leave it' or check on the leash will put the dog into fight drive (ie, that snap back into reality makes the dog flash into what it would do to survive). And once doggie is being good again, you say gooooood boy or pat him on the head - that very action immediately has them in pack drive again.
OK, clear as mud????? I know, it took me years to understand the whole thing (and I probably still have years more of learning) but it gets really cool once you've done your dog's scores and then relate it to your training of that dog. All dogs need a good amount of fight drive in order to get through a day (dogs will switch their drives back and forth constantly) but there are dogs out there who have none - my Millie. She was a big, fat zero in that department. During our training, she literally could not handle any kind of correction because she didn't have the fight drive in order to cope. Her 'flight' (a drive she was ultra high in) led her just shut down completely. Shaunessy, on the other hand, was way too high in fight drive and the wrong correction could leave him in a bad place (yes, he was that tough!!!). His pack drive was also very low (OK, as desirable as I made myself, he still didn't see me as something to be around!) and his prey drive was immense so it made a hard dog to train - but man, it made me a great teacher!!!
Balanced dogs (Finn) have a good fight drive (in order to handle corrections), low flight (oh yes, Millie was 10 out of 10 in flight!!!), good pack (makes sense, you want them to be close - both Millie and Maddie were 10 out of 10 and although that sounds good, it isn't what your dog really needs - Finn is a 7) and medium prey drive (OK, in basic obedience you don't utilize this part of a dog's make up - you want them to stay in pack actually when training initially). But it really comes full force when training for higher things like being a SD, I would imagine and especially in the CD level of things - the dog needs that ability to want to chase/jump etc. A low prey drive dog really has trouble with jumps as they don't get that part. They are just happiest in the drive that is strongest (hopefully that isn't fight or flight!)
Drives also really give you an insight into how to praise your dog - Millie with her high pack, high flight, no fight and almost no prey was happy just to be at my side (which in and of itself was fabulous!!!) but I wanted her to train to the next level (CDX training requires a dog to be in prey drive most of the time). I basically could not correct her in the usual fashion because she'd get herself into flight and shut down in order to cope so we modified her training where I basically had to stand on my head and jump around to cheer her on. It was exhausting but it kept her happy and working for me!!!!
Finn, the balanced one, could accept the correction and get back into pack drive with merely a touch on his head. His prey drive was high enough that getting him over those jumps was a breeze!!
UD training I never did but from what I understand a dog needs to utilize its fight drive more and that wasn't somewhere I really cared to venture into considering my trials and tribulations with Mr. Shaunessy.

And, boy did that turn into a mile long explanation of drives and how they work!!! Basically, you can't get a clear idea of a dog until they are 4 years old but I started doing the questions really early on my guys and they didn't change much. All questions are answered from an untrained dog perspective but it is hard to do once your dog has been trained. :D

I shall stop talking now ....


Miriam

[sunshine426]

That was a great explanation and fascinating. I work with so many different dogs (as a handler, not a trainer), and even dogs from the same litter can really differ. This makes such sense. I am sure the trainers are familar with it, I need to figure out how to incorporate it in my own handling. So what does it mean when they are walking nicely with you, all focused, yea, doing great and then they bark. And not always nicely, especially if it is at a 3 year old in Taget:o.

[kerrytens]

That was a great explanation and fascinating. I work with so many different dogs (as a handler, not a trainer), and even dogs from the same litter can really differ. This makes such sense. I am sure the trainers are familar with it, I need to figure out how to incorporate it in my own handling. So what does it mean when they are walking nicely with you, all focused, yea, doing great and then they bark. And not always nicely, especially if it is at a 3 year old in Taget:o.
Glad you understood my most excellent explanation of one situation ;). Drives are so cool to use in everything you do with your dog.
Now, for your scenario, it is hard to tell exactly - the bark is most likely the dog switching itself into fight or flight (whichever is the higher of the two). Three year old tend to have a lot of frenetic activity, they are never still. To a dog, this activity can be perceived much the same as the frenetic activity of a squirrel (prey). It sounds like the dog is throwing himself into fight/flight and then not getting the opportunity to go into prey (afterall, you have the lease and are preventing him from going into prey drive - used to 'play' with that fun kid, most likely).
A quick correction will keep the dog in fight/flight (remember, you need to utilize this drive in order to switch back to the more desirable one you want), and then either a pat on the head, a good boy or whatever praise you use should bring them back. The intensity of all of the above will be dependant on the situation too - the higher the stim, the higher the correction/praise will need to be and visa versa. And that also explains why it is so important to put the dogs (whether an SD or pet) into tons of situations - the more they get used to them, the lower the stim for them.
And there I go again :o Can you tell I love this stuff????
Miriam

[wizard-of-roz]

Miriam: That was so much fun.....Thanks for the info. Most interesting.

CCI Service Dogs are graduated at the age of 18 months to 2.5 years depending on the dog and the training involved.

I find that when correcting Brenny (if she's grazing or staring at an object too long) it's best not to use a "vocal" command, at all. I use a "quick" tug on her leash or foot "stomp" or a "light tap" on the top of her head, these all work best! "Redirection" is a wonderful thing!!!!!!

I don't like to draw the public's attention to her anymore than necessary. And, she totally knows when she receives any of the above (at just the right moment) what she's done and what she needs to do to correct herself!

And, Brenda is one of those dogs that is so driven by food that she'll stare at my hand, after I've given her a command, just to see what I have for her!!!!;)

[S.S. Cruisers]

I come here today with a heavy heart. I had to send Reno over the rainbow ridge, yesterday. He deteriated so much in one week, that I knew it was time. He could not get up by himself. He wouldn't eat, so I hand feed him the first night. By the next morning, he just looked at the food in my hand and turned his head. I knew that was not my big boy. I know he is in a better place. He is with brothers and sisters and my dad, having the time of his life. Running and jumping like he was a pup again.

I am leaving today to go get my mom and move her down here by us. Won't have computer access. I knew I could come blubber like a baby here and you guys would understand.

Nancy

[uppitycats]

I'm so sorry about your furkid! I know it has to be so tough for you right now, but it sounds like you absolutely did the right thing. It's hard for us humans to do that, but it's necessary. Take care, and hugs and purrs from my furkids.

[wizard-of-roz]

Oh, Nancy....our dear sweet, loving and sometimes deliberately "bad boy" "RENO"....I never met him but I did love him...just from your stories and pictures of him.

My heart goes out to you! You knew it wasn't going to be much longer....we all just hoped it would be!

Thank you for sharing him with us and know that we're here with you and totally understand everything that you're feeling and going through.

He was your friend for many, many years. He had a wonderful life with you and you with him.

Thank you for always being so helpful and kind. We're lucky to have you onboard with us and so was he!!!!!!

Much Love and Sweeter Days Ahead,
Roz and Brenny

[sunshine426]

My heart is sad for you at this time. I know how special the bond is between the beloved dog(working or pet) and his/her person. I imagine you will still see him out of the corner of your eye, listen for his toe nails on the floor, sometimes even think you can still smell them. It gets better, but it can take awhile. I wish I could lend you my big yellow dog just for a few hugs. I'll give her some extra hugs tonight and tell her it is from Reno and his mommy.

[kerrytens]

Oh Nancy, I am so sorry to hear about Reno. I know I essentially just joined this wonderful group but I do feel as if I know you all and your pets. Losing one is very, very hard but I do also know you can take great comfort in the fact that Reno is a much better place now. No more aches, pains ... nothing! Running like a pup once more!!!
Thank you for sharing him with us. And know you are in my thoughts. My heart goes out to you.
Hugs!!! Miriam
PS. I KNOW my bratty Maddie was right there for him - she is showing him the ropes right now, I am sure! And probably a few of her bad tricks too.

[Latitude 20]

My heart is sad for you at this time. I know how special the bond is between the beloved dog(working or pet) and his/her person. I imagine you will still see him out of the corner of your eye, listen for his toe nails on the floor, sometimes even think you can still smell them. It gets better, but it can take awhile. I wish I could lend you my big yellow dog just for a few hugs. I'll give her some extra hugs tonight and tell her it is from Reno and his mommy.

What Sunshine said! If I could, I'd send you Toby and Tyler to keep you company. Of course, no one will ever take Reno's place.

What you had to do was the last gift of love you could give him. I hope you'll be able to take time to grieve during what sounds like a hectic time for you. How is your grandson taking the loss? It's hard on kids who are old enough to understand death but too young to really process it.

Lots of virtual hugs to you,

Kathi (and the menagerie)

[Valentine's Mom]

Oh SS, As I write this message to you I have crockadile tears running down both cheeks. Valentine is alert and trying to lick them off as I explain, to her, that another angle friend has gone to prepare the way for her. Thinking that she is 7 years old brings to reality the short time that we have whith them on this earth. Within 1 year I lost a dog, a cat, and a bird. Needless to say it was a alful year and we needed a change. Without a pet we up and moved to AL. Believe me, I think about them every day and give my Valentine an extra hug each from them. I'd also like to pass a couple to those hugs and good thoughts on to you and yours.:confused::confused:

[dvdfreakmc]

Nancy, I am very sorry to hear about Reno. You are in our thoughts.

[sunshine426]

Does any one have any advise on life jackets for dogs. We're going to take our lab on the boat and to the lake this year, instead of always leaving her at home. Even though she can swim, I want a life jacket for her. I've been looking online and at the pet store, but thought I would ask for some tips here.

[Valentine's Mom]

Sunshine,
We use a jacket by Outward Bound. They are bright orange with black piping. They have a handle on top in case you have to grab them out of the water, of course that might be easier for me with a 10 lb. dog and not Lab sized and weight. LOL. They are a good brand and I think it's the brand used by most here. I think I got mine at PetsMart. She is little and even smaller if she has had a recent haircut so I wanted to size her. Might take a look. They are open to sizing and will offer help.:D

[sunshine426]

Thanks, that is one that we are looking at, also one by "Paws Aboard". I'll put a picture on once we decide.

[wizard-of-roz]

Sunshine,
We use a jacket by Outward Bound. They are bright orange with black piping. They have a handle on top in case you have to grab them out of the water, of course that might be easier for me with a 10 lb. dog and not Lab sized and weight. LOL. They are a good brand and I think it's the brand used by most here. I think I got mine at PetsMart. She is little and even smaller if she has had a recent haircut so I wanted to size her. Might take a look. They are open to sizing and will offer help.:D

This is exactly the one we bought for Brenda....then, Princess would have one waiting on the bed, (not the Outward Hound ones but a nice one) when we arrived on our last two cruises. (That was so thoughtful of them to have these vests available for our Service Dogs.) The other cruiselines have not done this yet....hopefully, they'll get onboard too!

[Valentine's Mom]

This is exactly the one we bought for Brenda....then, Princess would have one waiting on the bed, (not the Outward Hound ones but a nice one) when we arrived on our last two cruises. (That was so thoughtful of them to have these vests available for our Service Dogs.) The other cruiselines have not done this yet....hopefully, they'll get onboard too!

Wow that is GREAT. People always laugh and point when we show up with Valentine in her life vest. I just look at them and tell them she is a good swimmer but can't swim that far :rolleyes:. I really don't know what they think that these animals would do in an emergency like ship abandoning. I'm glad that Princess is realizing just how valuable these animals are and that they are offering some protection for them. I do however, wonder if they would have one small enough for Valentine. I guess they might if they know that service dogs come in small and extra small as well as large. LOL

[wizard-of-roz]

Barbara, I have no idea how they knew what size to get Brenda but it was perfect.

You may want to contact the access deparment and see if you can request a special size.

Although, you really don't need it, you're all set. And, I always put on Brenda's vest for the muster drill. I want everyone to know that she's as important to me as my family. :) I want her to be safe.

[sunshine426]

Thanks for the advice. We bought "Sandy" the outward hound jacket (and of course a new pink leash, and a portable water bowl)! She has to share the leash and bowl with the SD's in training, but the life jacket is for her alone. I got a bright neon green one. I saw some in camoflage on the internet. Not to make judgments on the fashion style of camo, but if my dog goes in the water, I want to see her!!!

[jmartinez1895]

I hope that you may be able to help. I was told be another SD owner that before they could cruise on the Disney line they had to fill out paper work for the dog, provide a vet statement and show "proof" the dog is a SD. Is that true and do other lines do that as well. If so was "proof" do you need to provide. I live in a state that does not require or even have a certification process for SDs. Thanks for any help and advice.

[sunshine426]

I hope that you may be able to help. I was told be another SD owner that before they could cruise on the Disney line they had to fill out paper work for the dog, provide a vet statement and show "proof" the dog is a SD. Is that true and do other lines do that as well. If so was "proof" do you need to provide. I live in a state that does not require or even have a certification process for SDs. Thanks for any help and advice.

You have come to a great thread to ask that question. I only work with SD's in training, so have no answers for you, but I am sure they will come. Welcome Aboard.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Thank you all so much. I knew if anyone would understand it would be you great group of folks. I definately didn't need the "It's only a dog, line that always pops up." Unfortunatlely, I have been so busy with mom and her issues, I have yet to grieve completely. It comes on and the tears flow. I know we will never replace him and he is in a better place.

I am glad for all the friends he has, even the "bratty" ones to teach him goodness knows what! His kitty has been walking around from room to room looking for him, meowing. She is not much of a talker. I am pretty sad about Travis' attitude, he has pretty much blown it off. He said, "Reno always barked at me anyway." I hope he comes to gripes with it or maybe that is his way of dealing with it.

Anyway, hugs to all of you, for you and the furbabies.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

First: Nancy, I think that Travis's way of dealing with the loss of Reno is to turn it into "we're better off without him" kind of an attitude....it's a coping mechanism that a lot of children and even some adults use. Just keep letting him know how much "you" loved Reno and how it's okay to feel sad and even to cry about the loss of him.....because, it truly is!

Feelings aren't "right" or "wrong", they just are! And, we all feel differently.......Sorry, I worked with a grief counselor years ago....and, learned some techniques (not that it would work for me the day that I have to say goodbye to Brenny.....I can't even go to that thought!)

Second: jmartinez: EVERY cruise line (not to mention the various ports, you'll be visiting) will ask for documentation of your dog for proof that it is a Service Dog. From a letter from your doctor; a city license; an Agricultural Inspection Form; a blood titer test; a chip; recent immunizations, etc., etc. It depends on the ports you'll visiting.

Hawaii and England have NEVER had a case of reported Rabbies and is so strict about bringing animals in. They used to quarantine ALL dogs coming in....they no longer quarantine Service Dogs.....that tooks years of struggling from a lot of brave people, who paved the way for the rest of us!

The organization that trained Brenda also gives all of its graduate teams a Certification of Training License with an expiration date on it (this is not required but certainly is handy when questioned!) I think that ALL organizations who train these highly skilled dogs should give their recipients some kind of certification of training. Maybe, in the future they will.

The ships will be very careful that your dog is safe to be around the public and will not be a threat or danger, in any way to anybody!!!!

Brenda will be on her 11th cruise in April....the dock workers, the TSA, the Security at the docks, the ship Captains and the staff are very familiar with Brenda and how amazing she is in the public.

[sunshine426]

I'm back working with my SD's. I have a 14 month old, very frisky golden retriever at my side. We just spent two hours at a reading program, and she did pretty well, except for trying to eat the corners of the books. oooops. Tomorow a big presentation at the high school. Then a hotel outing to get some of the dogs who are going to training camp next week some last outings and exposures.

[Latitude 20]

Thank you all so much. I knew if anyone would understand it would be you great group of folks. I definately didn't need the "It's only a dog, line that always pops up." Unfortunatlely, I have been so busy with mom and her issues, I have yet to grieve completely. It comes on and the tears flow. I know we will never replace him and he is in a better place.

I am glad for all the friends he has, even the "bratty" ones to teach him goodness knows what! His kitty has been walking around from room to room looking for him, meowing. She is not much of a talker. I am pretty sad about Travis' attitude, he has pretty much blown it off. He said, "Reno always barked at me anyway." I hope he comes to gripes with it or maybe that is his way of dealing with it.

Anyway, hugs to all of you, for you and the furbabies.

Nancy


Dear Nancy,

You're such a giving person--with Travis, your Mom--just remember to take care of yourself also! I second what Roz said about Travis' reaction. He's just coping the best way he knows how.

I'm very glad you came back to post. On the day you posted of Reno's passing, I got an e-mail from Pasado's Safe Haven (http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/about.html), a local rescue organization I help out. They are working with many other public and non-profit agencies to care for nearly 600 :eek: dogs taken from a puppy mill. Nearly 80% of the female dogs rescued are pregnant :eek: :eek: so it's likely there will be almost 1,000 dogs to rehabilitate and find homes for.

Since I don't believe in coincidence, I've made a donation to Pasado's in Reno's memory to care for these poor puppies.

Kathi

[S.S. Cruisers]

Kathi;
Thank you so much. I will go to their website just as soon as I get a minute. I was walking down the dog food aisle at the store yesterday, (don't know what drew me to that aisle, Reno?:)) and thought, oh, I have to get canned food for Reno. It was a pleasant thought though and I just kept walking. I miss the big ole goof being in the way with his fluffy body.

Roz;
I know Travis misses him, when we leave for school we always say, bye Leann, bye Reno, bye Papa, love you. He said it this morning, and I made no comment. I'm not sure he even caught himself. I also think we are occupied with Mom. She is still at our house. We are trying to get her little trailer ready for her. Need to get a deck out front so she doesn't have that scary step to go up and down.

Well, need to get going for work. You guys are awesome. :)
Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

I'm back working with my SD's. I have a 14 month old, very frisky golden retriever at my side. We just spent two hours at a reading program, and she did pretty well, except for trying to eat the corners of the books. oooops. Tomorow a big presentation at the high school. Then a hotel outing to get some of the dogs who are going to training camp next week some last outings and exposures.

Wow! What a wonderful woman you are....giving so much of yourself so that someone else can have a "fuller/richer" life! There is a special place in heaven for you! THANK YOU! :)

[sunshine426]

Wow! What a wonderful woman you are....giving so much of yourself so that someone else can have a "fuller/richer" life! There is a special place in heaven for you! THANK YOU! :)

Thanks. The presentation went well. I am pretty comfortable speaking in public, but this was on stage with a large audience so I had some concerns. Other than my four legged friend eating the notes I dropped, it went well. I think she might be part goat!!!
Now it is time to put my paws up, and I think I might indulge in a "dogtini"!!

[wizard-of-roz]

Thanks. The presentation went well. I am pretty comfortable speaking in public, but this was on stage with a large audience so I had some concerns. Other than my four legged friend eating the notes I dropped, it went well. I think she might be part goat!!!
Now it is time to put my paws up, and I think I might indulge in a "dogtini"!!

Sunshine, you are so cute. And, doggone it you deserve a break!

CCI has requested that they follow Brenda and I around (a full day) to watch what we do together and observe our interaction (it sounds simple doesn't it?) Well, there's media releases, employer releases, building releases, etc., etc. Not so easy to do. Brenda and I will be speaking and demonstrating for a group of Kindergartners next week. Talk about a fun day. Brenda loves to show off her "stuff!"

We're trying to set-up a demonstration onboard our next cruise with the entertainment/program coordinator onboard the Sapphire. Hopefully, we'll get it together and all the questions that everyone has, while we're sailing with them, will be answered.

We'll see!

[Chacooe]

Hi,

This is my first time posting in this thread, but I do have a question. I have a service dog that I would like to take on my cruise next January to the Mexican Riviera. I have trained her to piddle and poop in doggie pee pads when I have traveled with her, so I was wondering will they allow me to keep doing that with her on the cruise. I got her from the dogs for the deaf and since she is a pomeranian (she is so cute, she only weighs 4 lbs), Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[wizard-of-roz]

Hi,

This is my first time posting in this thread, but I do have a question. I have a service dog that I would like to take on my cruise next January to the Mexican Riviera. I have trained her to piddle and poop in doggie pee pads when I have traveled with her, so I was wondering will they allow me to keep doing that with her on the cruise. I got her from the dogs for the deaf and since she is a pomeranian (she is so cute, she only weighs 4 lbs), Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Chacooe: Welcome! Your will absolutely love it. Our Service Dog is going on her 11th cruise in April.

The cruise ship will offer you a 4x4 (maybe a bit larger or smaller wooden or cardboard or box or even a children's play pool), each cruiseline uses a different filler and each cruiseline places the box in a different area.

Holland America: On your veranda or on a deck that is somewhat out of the way of the public-if you have an inside cabin.
Celebrity: Same as HAL
NCL: Used the best box with the best litter and placed it in a closet down the hall from our cabin.
Carnival: Has the hardest time with this....and, needs a lot of direction from you....they finally placed the box on a "smoking" deck located near the center of the ship. They will use your veranda, if you have one.
Princess: Our favorite....uses the 4x4 box (made of heavy cardboard) and will start using specially treated artificial turf (hopefully.) They've used wood shavings and paper pellets in the past. And, they place the box in a closet down the hall from your cabin (my favorite.) I actually go in my pj's and hair up in rollers, with Brenda....it's so convenient.

You can bring the puddle pads and ask your steward for some large plastic bags to place the soiled pads in (or bring your own.) Of course, you will pick up the solids and dump that in the toilet (don't expect the steward to do this....although, I know they would if you asked.)

BIG WARNING!!!!! Your Hearing Dog is unusually "cute" and not the typical "service dog" so, expect a lot of comments and questions from the other guests and crew.....don't let them discourage or intimidate you.....they're missing their own "furbabies" that they had to leave with Granny, at home or in a kennel and they absolutely "hate" that you can bring yours with you!!!!!!!!! They can overwhelm you with questions....be prepared!!!!

Have a wonderful cruise and come back and tell us all about it!!!!!!

[rangeley]

Nancy, I'm so so sorry to hear about Reno. I haven't been around for a while and I was devastated to here the news. As you know we lost our beloved yellow lab Rangeley in August, so I know what you are going through. I still cry when I am by myself and tell him how mad I am at him for leaving us. I guess writing this is gonna be my good cry for the day. I should say that it does get easier, but it's still hard as hell!!! If it wasn't for our black lab Bailee, I don't think we would have handled it as well. Maybe Reno and Rangeley are playing together in heaven. My love to you and your family.
Cindy

[kerrytens]

Thank you all so much. I knew if anyone would understand it would be you great group of folks. I definately didn't need the "It's only a dog, line that always pops up." Unfortunatlely, I have been so busy with mom and her issues, I have yet to grieve completely. It comes on and the tears flow. I know we will never replace him and he is in a better place.

I am glad for all the friends he has, even the "bratty" ones to teach him goodness knows what! His kitty has been walking around from room to room looking for him, meowing. She is not much of a talker. I am pretty sad about Travis' attitude, he has pretty much blown it off. He said, "Reno always barked at me anyway." I hope he comes to gripes with it or maybe that is his way of dealing with it.

Anyway, hugs to all of you, for you and the furbabies.

Nancy
Hi Nancy,
I agree with what everyone has been saying about Travis - I am positive it is his way of coping with the loss. The only thing I can advise (and you know it already too) is to just be there for when he is ready to talk about stuff.
Hannah really surprised me after losing my Maddie when out of the blue she looked into the kitchen and said "where's the doggy"? It was about a month after she left us. Hannah totally ignored both dogs (except to tell them to be quiet when they were barking furiously at the doorbell. LOL!) so it seemed quite unusual that she would even notice one was missing. Funniest thing is that she doesn't know Finn's name and calls him Maddie so in a way, she is still here with us because of my wonderful daughter :))
Hugs to you and your family!!!!! You're all in my thoughts.
Miriam

[S.S. Cruisers]

Cindy and Miriam;
Thanks so much. I was surprised at my husband. Friends down the street just got a white baby lab and he stopped with Travis to see him. Hubby usually doesn't do well and I didn't think he could emotionally do it. He said the baby is adorable.

Oh, I'm sure our beloved furbabies have all gathered together and are romping and tromping through heaven. It puts a smile:) on my face, thru the tears.

Nancy

[sunshine426]

We all have our way of coping with the loss of our beloved pets. We lost our dog Maxx abt 6 years ago. I kept listening for his toe nails to click, and it took me forever, to not close the door super fast because he would be out like lightning and not be back forever. We thought that since we had sent one daughter off to college and the next was off in a month that that would be our last dog. You know, empty next, empty house, time to travel at whim, no responsibilites...... yeah that lasted abt 7 months.

We did do some research and decided we would be better off with a golden retirever, and to start with a puppy. Max was a 2 year old rescue when we got him, and he had such issues!! Running, occasional aggression... that we wanted to do a better job with our next dog.

We ended up with a puppy from a rescue site. Mama was a black lab and dad was a golden retriever. I thought they were going to send a doggy social worker to our house with all the questions we were asked, which would have been ok. Turns out they did call our vet to check us out.

So Sandy, the most wonderful dog in the world, came to live with us. She is shy, can be skittish(a real fraidy dog), but smart, sweet and the love of our lives. We laughed more the first few months we had her.

After I fell in love with this breed, I started volunteering with an orginiazation that breeds and trains service dogs. So, Sandy teaches house manners and puts up with house guests. She still entertains us daily.
Wow, I went off on a tangent didn't I.

Nancy, I feel for your loss. Someday another best furry friend might come your way, but for now, embrace the love Reno brought you.

Karen

[kerrytens]

Mama was a black lab and dad was a golden retriever.
Karen

Karen - I would love to see a photo of Sadie - black lab/golden cross really has me wondering!!!!

[S.S. Cruisers]

Ok, all is good. As we were sitting watching TV tonight, out of the clear blue, Travis said, "I want Reno to come home." Papa told him Reno is in heaven waiting for us and he has lots of buddies. End of conversation. I am just glad that he admitted that he missed him. Of course he is smothering his kitty to death and she just lays there like a doodoo.

My evening has been greatly improved. A friend sent me a great email about "If dogs could talk." Actually she is the vet tech that was with me and Reno and his babysitter for 10 years. If anyone wants it forwarded, it is very inspirational.

Nancy

[Valentine's Mom]

Hi,

This is my first time posting in this thread, but I do have a question. I have a service dog that I would like to take on my cruise next January to the Mexican Riviera. I have trained her to piddle and poop in doggie pee pads when I have traveled with her, so I was wondering will they allow me to keep doing that with her on the cruise. I got her from the dogs for the deaf and since she is a pomeranian (she is so cute, she only weighs 4 lbs), Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


Hi Chacooe,

I too have an unusual service dog. I have a 10 pound Japanese Chin named Valentine. She is trained to go to a litter box that I bring with me. In the box I use the piddle pads and dog litter. What line are you going on? Valentine has been on 7 cruises and this has never been a problem. I usually just explain to the room steward that the box is her bathroom and that I will handle all it's care. Never a problem.

Wizard was right though about the amount of questions that you will get and being that she is small some will be reluctant to belive that she is not a pet. That is until they see her do her stuff. The staff love to see dogs on board because some have not seen their pet for sometimes months. They are wonderful and will help with anything that you need. The biggest problem that I encounter is walking with her. Nobody expects to see a dog on board especially not a small dog so they don't look down. I use a rolling dog carrier at the busiest times on the ship. She can still work and I can protect her tiny legs.

We haven't been to the Mexican Riviera but last year we even traveled to Europe. I think Wizard can provide info on the Rivera I think she has been there. If I can help with anything in the small dog dept. just let me know. I'd be glad to help!:D Welcome to our thread!

[sunshine426]

Karen - I would love to see a photo of Sadie - black lab/golden cross really has me wondering!!!!

Well, when I get experienced enought to add a photo to my posts, I'll do it. In the mean time, she looks like a yellow lab. I call her my byd, big yellow dog. She doesn't have the blocky head that the english labs do, more of a golden shape to her skull and head. Big brown eyes, and a pink nose. oink oink.
She actually looks like a lot of the golden/lab mixes that are being trained for SD.s
Black labs can have litters of yellow and black labs. Don't quite know how the genetics work on that, if yellow or black is dominant, but the litters I seem to be about a 50/50 mix.

[Quampapetet]

Hey, y'all! Long time since I've posted here, since I'm not into the cruising thing and have too much other online stuff to do.

Can anybody tell me what the service dog entry requirements are for Grand Turk (Turks and Caicos Islands)? I'm pondering going on another cruise, though at this point it is really just a thought....

Thanks! :)

[kerrytens]

Well, when I get experienced enought to add a photo to my posts, I'll do it. In the mean time, she looks like a yellow lab. I call her my byd, big yellow dog. She doesn't have the blocky head that the english labs do, more of a golden shape to her skull and head. Big brown eyes, and a pink nose. oink oink.
She actually looks like a lot of the golden/lab mixes that are being trained for SD.s
Black labs can have litters of yellow and black labs. Don't quite know how the genetics work on that, if yellow or black is dominant, but the litters I seem to be about a 50/50 mix.
It really is cool how genetics work ... interesting how the lab DNA seems to override the golden though from what you are saying. Other than her head, it really sounds like she looks more like a yellow lab.
I had heard that black and yellow labs will throw either colour.
No worries, I'll wait for her pic!!!
Miriam

[Chacooe]

Nancy, I'm so so sorry to hear about Reno. I haven't been around for a while and I was devastated to here the news. As you know we lost our beloved yellow lab Rangeley in August, so I know what you are going through. I still cry when I am by myself and tell him how mad I am at him for leaving us. I guess writing this is gonna be my good cry for the day. I should say that it does get easier, but it's still hard as hell!!! If it wasn't for our black lab Bailee, I don't think we would have handled it as well. Maybe Reno and Rangeley are playing together in heaven. My love to you and your family.
Cindy

I know some of you have recently lost a beloved pet so I am sending this to you. It has helped me when I lost a pet also.

Rainbow Bridge

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor. Those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

[Chacooe]

I will be going on the Carnival Splendor and Missie has a vest that she wears that says she is a hearing dog. I also use a power chair so I have her ride on my lap because of people not really seeing her. I know when I was on the Pride last year (I did not take her, I didn't know we could), it was the room steward that wrote me a note telling me I could bring her if I ever cruised again, I was so surprised. I do have a question, do I notify Carnival before I sail that I am bringing her or do I just board with her and then let the pursers desk know that she is with me. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

[rangeley]

Chacooe: I'd like to think that there is such a place as "Rainbow Bridge". It's a comforting thought to think our babies are well and missing us as much as we miss them. Thank you for posting that.

Quam: Welcome back!

Roz: Could you please tell me that getting a dog from CCI is not as hard as the process seems.

[wizard-of-roz]

I will be going on the Carnival Splendor and Missie has a vest that she wears that says she is a hearing dog. I also use a power chair so I have her ride on my lap because of people not really seeing her. I know when I was on the Pride last year (I did not take her, I didn't know we could), it was the room steward that wrote me a note telling me I could bring her if I ever cruised again, I was so surprised. I do have a question, do I notify Carnival before I sail that I am bringing her or do I just board with her and then let the pursers desk know that she is with me. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

You MUST inform the cruiseline that you will be bringing her with you (did you book through a TA?)...When you check-in at the pier (and, if you are not pre-boarded with her), they may decline your entrance to the ship....you wouldn't want that.

Call your TA or Carnival direct - 800-438-6744 -Guest Access Services. They will tell you what pre-cruise documents are required by them to board.

After you've boarded the Pursers desk will contact you either before or during the cruise for the necessary documentation that they must give Immigration at the various ports.
1. Agricultural Inspection Form
2. Immunization record (should be on the above form)
3. Letter from your doctor or training org. documentation stating that your dog is a Service Dog.
4. Copy of city Dog License.
5. Copy of your id (preferrably one with a picture) ie. drivers license or passport.
As i said before, Carnival will need directives from you as to how/where your dog will potty.

[wizard-of-roz]

Chacooe: I'd like to think that there is such a place as "Rainbow Bridge". It's a comforting thought to think our babies are well and missing us as much as we miss them. Thank you for posting that.

Quam: Welcome back!

Roz: Could you please tell me that getting a dog from CCI is not as hard as the process seems.

Quam: Welcome back, we've missed your insightful input. Now, where is Cari and Denver?

Quam, you'll need to ask your Vet what the requirements are for that Island. I know that the immunization form (Agricultural Inspection Form) is a must and I do believe that a chip and a recent Rabies Titer may be in order. Again, welcome back.

I, too, would like to think there's a "Rainbow Bridge!" I can not wrap my brain around ever losing Brenda and I know that I'll need lots and lots of coping skills when she does pass.......Oh! Wait! I've got you guys.....what more could I ask for....the understanding and love that comes from ALL of you will be enormously helpful!

Cindy: It's easier and easier to get an assistance dog from CCI. It used to be very difficult and the waiting period could be as must as 2-5 years. Now, the waiting period can be only a few months. They have Hearing and Skilled Companions and Service Dogs ready for Team Training.

Of course, there's a process....such as interviews to make sure that the person is ready for a dog and once you've been through the interview process and are invited to train with a dog, you will have to live at a CCI campus for two weeks for Team Training....they'rer very careful about placing their highly valuable and well trained dogs.

If you know of someone who could use the assistance of a CCI dog please tell them to call: 707.577.1700 voice or 707.577-1756 TTY. Their main office is in Santa Rosa, CA. But, they have satellite offices all over the USA. Including one near San Diego.

[wizard-of-roz]

Cindy and Miriam;
Thanks so much. I was surprised at my husband. Friends down the street just got a white baby lab and he stopped with Travis to see him. Hubby usually doesn't do well and I didn't think he could emotionally do it. He said the baby is adorable.

Oh, I'm sure our beloved furbabies have all gathered together and are romping and tromping through heaven. It puts a smile:) on my face, thru the tears.

Nancy

Nancy, you're sounding well......I'm glad to see that!

[rangeley]

Thanks for the info Roz. We have completed the online application to see if we are qualified to complete real application. :confused: The website says it takes 6 mos to 2 1/2 years to get a dog. We would be going to the Long Island NY branch of CCI. They just built a whole new facility, I hear its beautiful. I'll keep you updated.

[sunshine426]

You might also check out canine assistants. They are located in Atlanta, but place dogs all over the United States. They also have wait lists, but since they are need based, sometimes the wait isn't that long. I think they are pretty similar to CCI, no charge for the dogs, assistance with aftercare. Two week training camp.

[wizard-of-roz]

I'm so excited for you. Please keep us apprised of how the process is going. If you don't hear from them soon. Call them 631.694.6938 and let them know how anxious you are.

We had to wait 2 years for Brenda but, the wait now is much shorter.

The grounds of CCI are remarkably beautiful. I wouldn't mind living there myself. The CCI dogs are very lucky. They are housed and cared for like no other training facility I have ever seen.

Although the dogs are raised for the majority of their lives by "Puppyraisers" (the true hero's of any organization), they spend a lot of time on the grounds in learning the fine tuning of their education. And, of course it's where you will live for 2 weeks while being trained with your amazing dog.

The housing "dorms" make any ivy-league college look pretty dim!

Their training program has evolved so much since we got Brenny. It's much simpler and well defined.

I've had Brenda for 6.5 years, she'll be 9 years old in June. She's nearing the "finale" of her service work. Although, we've met Service Dogs who were 10 and 12 years old. I hope she can work that long. It really depends on the dog. CCI really wants their dogs to go into retirement feeling well and being able to play and spending their retirement romping and playing instead of stressing and being ill. Having a "successor" dog to work with instead of Brenny is far, far away in my distant future.....

I can't even imagine her not going with us everywhere.....especially cruising.

[rangeley]

Thanks for the info Sunshine. I have never heard of that place, but there are places all over the country

Roz, I will definitely let you know whats going on. Thanks

[Valentine's Mom]

I will be going on the Carnival Splendor and Missie has a vest that she wears that says she is a hearing dog. I also use a power chair so I have her ride on my lap because of people not really seeing her. I know when I was on the Pride last year (I did not take her, I didn't know we could), it was the room steward that wrote me a note telling me I could bring her if I ever cruised again, I was so surprised. I do have a question, do I notify Carnival before I sail that I am bringing her or do I just board with her and then let the pursers desk know that she is with me. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

I'm glad that she rides on your lap. Valentine rides in a basket on my scooter when I use it. Carnival isn't hard to deal with. Call the special need desk and inform them that the dog will be comming. They will provide you a list of things that you will need to fill out and fax back. One thing that they asked for was a copy of her graduation deploma. I thought that was odd as some dogs don't go to shcool. It is up to you to contact each island that you are going to visit and find out what is required. This can usually be done by contacting the conselet.

One thing that I have had to deal with that might effect you is the heat. Valentine has a long heavy coat as does a pom. We looked online and found a vest that you soak in water and as it evaporates it keeps her cool. If you have anything else you need let me know. We are all here to help. You'll will love cruising and the dog will make it a lot easier. It will also make you somewhat of a celebrity:eek: Can be good or can been a challenge.

[wizard-of-roz]

Barbara: You are so right about it being a "challenge" to go cruising with your SD. There are truly sometimes when I just wanted to stay in the cabin....order in....and sit on our deck!

But, alas, out you go into the public.

You'll learn the easiest answers that will allow you to move on and do allow sometime for them to just touch her. Unless this will totally throw-off her working with you....the public just wants to touch her. They're so amazed by these hairy little or big geniuses!!!!! ;)

[Valentine's Mom]

Roz,
You are so right about it being a challenage but can you imagine the challenage without them? David and I went to Europe 2 years ago without Valentine and since she is a medical response dog, I had to be super careful and it also put more stress on David. Needless to say that when we went to Europe the last year we took her and it was much easier. She will be going with us this year also and we are doing a btb . Med first the the T/A. Can't wait. 31 days of cruise. What more can we ask for?

[wizard-of-roz]

Roz,
You are so right about it being a challenage but can you imagine the challenage without them? David and I went to Europe 2 years ago without Valentine and since she is a medical response dog, I had to be super careful and it also put more stress on David. Needless to say that when we went to Europe the last year we took her and it was much easier. She will be going with us this year also and we are doing a btb . Med first the the T/A. Can't wait. 31 days of cruise. What more can we ask for?

Barbara, amen to that! I can't imagine my life without the "security" of a Service Dog. And, I don't mean the "watch-dog" type!

How lucky you are to have the time to take such an elaborate cruise.....Have a wonderful time! Does Valentine have room in her suticase for Auntie Roz? :)

[kerrytens]

I know some of you have recently lost a beloved pet so I am sending this to you. It has helped me when I lost a pet also.

Rainbow Bridge

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor. Those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...
Thanks Chacooe,
I've read this whole thing many years ago but forgot about it - tears started flowing when it got to the point of the pet stopping, looking and running.
Ahh, the joy of being with my Shaunessy, Millie Vanillie - the good kid (she never barked - she lip synced!), Ebbers, Princess and the Mad Dog again :D:D:D Lord only knows what Madison is teaching all of them :eek:
Thanks for posting the Rainbow Bridge verse. I do love it!!!!
Miriam

[Chacooe]

Chacooe: I'd like to think that there is such a place as "Rainbow Bridge". It's a comforting thought to think our babies are well and missing us as much as we miss them. Thank you for posting that.

Quam: Welcome back!

Roz: Could you please tell me that getting a dog from CCI is not as hard as the process seems.

That poem helps me a lot right after I have lost one of my dogs. I know then that they are happy, not hurting anymore and are waiting for me to meet them. I have always believed that there is a heaven for our best friends otherwise God would have never given them his name spelt backwards.

[DisneyKidsDad]

Thanks for the info Roz. We have completed the online application to see if we are qualified to complete real application. :confused: The website says it takes 6 mos to 2 1/2 years to get a dog. We would be going to the Long Island NY branch of CCI. They just built a whole new facility, I hear its beautiful. I'll keep you updated.

We were part of the first group to graduate from the new Miller Family Campus on Long Island. The campus is beautiful. The dorn rooms and kitchen/common areas are completely wheelchair accessible. The wait time isn't always first come first served. Alot depends on when they have a dog that will suit your needs. Two things I would suggest you bring with you when you go are your own pillow and some bath towels. The ones they had donated do not absorb too well. Since you sound like you are on the East Coast, maybe you can come to the Abilities Expo in Edison, NJ next month. CCI will be there and so will we on one of the days.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Again, thank you all.

Chacooe;
I have also read that poem but hadn't had a chance to look it up again. Thanks for posting it. In my heart I know that is where all my furbabies are. Boy will we get a BIG welcome!

Roz:
I think I am still in denial. Haven't had a chance to really stop and let it go thru my system. The time is coming though.

Everyone have a great day.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Nancy: Take your time.....When it hits, it will hit hard and you'll need to just go with it. I laid in bed "mourning" the loss of one of my dearest "furfriends" for days.....finally, I came out and faced the days ahead....not the same but, as time passed I found my smile again!

And, now when I see pictures of him, I cry again but not as long.

Disney: You're right about the towels and pillow, if it's possible, when going to "Team Training" bring your own!

Miriam: Service Dogs in general don't need to bark....although, for some it might be necessary. As a puppy, Brenda was taught not to use her voice.....but, as of lately, I want her to bark because I'm in environments, sometimes, that are not particularly safe and, I like the idea of her big, bold, bark to ward of intruders.

So, I was teaching her how to bark and to find her voice, after almost 9 years of not using it...at first, she would just "mouth" a sound and then she would look like a "lip syncer" and just move her mouth and make a weird "smacking" sound.....until, she found her voice and "wow" what a powerful "bark" came out of her! Perfection!!!!!

[Quampapetet]

I called the U.S. Turks & Caicos Tourism place (run by their gov't - the lady answered the phone with, "Turks & Caicos Government"). She said all that is needed is the int'l health certificate no older than 30 days. :) That's really great - no extra expenses!

Now to see if I can actually go on the cruise to spend time with my fun friends (the only reason I'm wanting to go).... :)

[wizard-of-roz]

I called the U.S. Turks & Caicos Tourism place (run by their gov't - the lady answered the phone with, "Turks & Caicos Government"). She said all that is needed is the int'l health certificate no older than 30 days. :) That's really great - no extra expenses!

Now to see if I can actually go on the cruise to spend time with my fun friends (the only reason I'm wanting to go).... :)

Quam: I hope you get to go. Thanks for sharing the information.

[Valentine's Mom]

Barbara, amen to that! I can't imagine my life without the "security" of a Service Dog. And, I don't mean the "watch-dog" type!

How lucky you are to have the time to take such an elaborate cruise.....Have a wonderful time! Does Valentine have room in her suticase for Auntie Roz? :)
\We do feel extra lucky this year with the economy and such.

Valentine says she doesn't think you can fit in her case but she WILL make room for Brenny.;)

[wizard-of-roz]

\We do feel extra lucky this year with the economy and such.

Valentine says she doesn't think you can fit in her case but she WILL make room for Brenny.;)

There's ALWAYS room for Brenny!

Have a wonderful time!

[rangeley]

DisneyKidsDad, Thanks so much for the info. As usual the people on this thread are so helpful.

Roz, We have already recieved our application. Only 3 days after we completed the online app. That was fast. I told John that they must really want him. lol He is a quad plus a special ed teacher so hes got alot going for him. He's already filled out the app, even my part! I think we are now ready for a new dog. I still cry when I am by myself and still don't want to look at any pictures of rangeley. And I think we are finally over our disaster with Joe and ready to try a new dog and a new place. I'll keep ya posted.
Cindy & John

[wizard-of-roz]

Cindy: You're a strong, brave lady. My heart goes out to you and the process that you're experiencing with the loss of your beloved Rangeley. No dog will ever take his place. But, your heart is big and you'll find the room for a Service Dog.

When you go to Team Training, with John, you will see many dogs who will remind you of Rangeley and you will shed many tears. It's okay!!!! You will be impressed by the abilities and "smarts" that these dogs possess!

I am so excited for both of you. You will love CCI. You'll be part of the Team Training process along with John. The hardest part for you will be after graduation (bring your kleenex) and, when your new Service Dog comes home.

So that John and his new work partner truly bond, you will not be allowed to touch, talk or have eye contact with the dog for 3 months (at least that's how it was 7 years ago), things may have changed a bit since then.

Once the 12 weeks is up you can love and enjoy your new SD right along with John. Brenda and Morey (my DH) have become the best of buddies. To this day she can't wait for him to come home so she can run to him and just lay at his feet for belly rubs. She's at her goofiest when he's around!

Please keep us informed of your progress.....I'm so happy that you're getting involved with very best organization out there!

[sunshine426]

Another great big golden male has stolen my heart, and I only brushed him. He has these big brown eyes that just look into your soul. He also was brought back, and is waiting for his forever family. I told his trainer maybe they needed to look for a soldier for him. The last big fella who had my heart strings was placed with a war vet and we hear great things about that team.
I'm off to serve dinner for training camp. One of my sweet yellow/lab mixes has been matched. I have some pictures from her puppy days to give to the trainer to give to them. Technically we don't meet the recepients, but this trainer will probably introduce us.

[wizard-of-roz]

Karen: I know exactly what you're talking about "those big brown eyes".....I love the eyes of these dogs.....Brenny's eyes look just like a gorilla's eyes. Don't laugh....it's true. Her black fur surrounding those deep, brown, intense eyes is just like a gorilla (I love Gorilla's.)

You guys know how I adore Brenny. But, when the day comes that I get a successor dog, I have requested a "huge/yellow Lab!"

When I was initially interviewed, the trainers would have a group of people walk with an individual dog and they gave me a "huge" yellow/cross between a Golden and a Lab, his name was "Brocko". What a gorgeous boy! I fell in love with him.

Then, after being accepted into the program, I was teamed-up with Brenny (a little Black, English Lab, she is so unusual (there were only 2 purebred Labs in the class of 15 dogs.) And, I got one of them. She is very short with a double coat of fur so she looks like a "teddy bear", how could you not love that! However, she didn't even come close to what my dream of an ideal Service Dog was (whatever, in my mind, that was!)

But, needless to say....I fell madly in love with her personality and you couldn't separate us with a pitchfork!

[jenjens1023]

I found this thread while looking for something else and have been lurking into your lives for a couple days. Hope you don't mind.

I wanted to share a service dog story with you. One of the counselors at my daughters elementary school had a golden retreiver service dog. The dog ended up being more of a counselor than his owner. Kids would tell hime things they wouldn't tell an adult. He never judged, he just sunggled closer. He also loved to be read to, which was great for first graders struggling with that skill. Again, he never got frustrated or laughed, he just listened and sighed as only a retreiver can. He was also a reward for problem kids who had a good day. The school principal was so happy about the whole arrangement that she gave a talk at a conference about the benefits of dogs in schools.

Thanks for letting me share...

[rangeley]

Roz, I have a few questions for you. Did your hubby train with you? Do they have graduation while you are there for training? And did you train with other dogs for the first few days?

Jenjens, Thank you for that great story. The service dog we had ended up helping kids too. My bf is a special ed teacher and they read to him and patted him on the reading rug too. He ended up doing double duty. Also my bf used him to get the kids to do work, promising them they could pet him and give him a cookie when they finished their work. These dogs are so so smart. Sometimes too darn smart!

[wizard-of-roz]

Jen: Thank you for sharing your wonderful story with us.....I took Brenny to speak to a class of Kindergarten children this morning about Service Dogs. What an amazing sight to watch the children just getting the biggest joy out of touching her!

Cindy: Yes, Morey (my DH) was in training with me. During every session and every class. He didn't have to take the tests at the end of each day, for two weeks but he attended every class and every outing. We were given a large dorm room with two beds in it.

You are matched with a few dogs the first few days and are working with each of them. (The trainers really have an idea of which dog is going to which person, just by your previous interviews and the personalities of you and each dog) but, sometimes, after seeing you work with other dogs, they change their minds. After a few days, the match is made and you get to take your dog back to your dorm, to bond with you!

The graduation ceremony was at the end of the two weeks. If you passed, you were put in a large auditorium, with your class and without your dog. You were then put on stage, with your class and your dog was presented to you by his/her puppy raisers. It's the most remarkable experience I've ever been through. The tears that are shed could fill the room! They video tape it for you and you have the experience for life!

Driving home from CCI, in Santa Rosa, with Brenda was so, so special.....I was like a new mother....it felt so good!!!!!

[sunshine426]

I just love training camp weeks. Seeing the dogs go out with their new families. Watching the bonding, the love, just makes me feel so good. Plus, the families always compliment my cooking and banana pudding. I was able to meet one of the families and give them some pictures I have taken at home and on outings. They showed me pictures they have taken at the hotel room, and they were so sweet.

The high school I take dogs to for AAT now have two facility dogs and they are making differences every day at the school.

Leading a tour on sunday. Working on taxes tomorow. I'll need some doggy time after that.

[rangeley]

Roz, I will be training with John. They call it a training assistant and from the info we have, I will be participating. They will train me to handle the dog just in case John is unable for some reason. I am so excited to be included. I handled Rangeley all the time so I am pretty confident in my ability. Only problem is that alot of the commands are different and it's hard to change what we have said for 10yrs. There's even a part of the application for me to fill out. I love how they include the puppy raisers in everything. They are wonderful people who can care and train this dog for a year and then give them up. I don't know how they do it!!!

[wizard-of-roz]

Karen: I forgot to mention the wonderful meals that were provided for all us who were in Team Training for 2 weeks. The most amazing volunteers from all over the north of California and beyond came and fed us lunch, everyday! I've never been the recipient of your banana pudding but I bet it's delish! We were so grateful to these people who made us feel so special and made each day so much easier for us!

Cindy: I'm so excited for you. You and John will learn commands that will stay with you forever. Your dog will be so responsive it will all seem so natural to you. You're a dog person so most of this stuff will just be second nature to you.

Please let us all know when you go to Team Training and, most importantly when you come home, you'll have to introduce your new "partner" to us. We want to hear all about it!

[Chacooe]

You MUST inform the cruiseline that you will be bringing her with you (did you book through a TA?)...When you check-in at the pier (and, if you are not pre-boarded with her), they may decline your entrance to the ship....you wouldn't want that.

Call your TA or Carnival direct - 800-438-6744 -Guest Access Services. They will tell you what pre-cruise documents are required by them to board.

After you've boarded the Pursers desk will contact you either before or during the cruise for the necessary documentation that they must give Immigration at the various ports.
1. Agricultural Inspection Form
2. Immunization record (should be on the above form)
3. Letter from your doctor or training org. documentation stating that your dog is a Service Dog.
4. Copy of city Dog License.
5. Copy of your id (preferrably one with a picture) ie. drivers license or passport.
As i said before, Carnival will need directives from you as to how/where your dog will potty.


Roz, I do have a question, since I am going with my sister in law and my neice, we decided that instead of taking Missie into the ports one of us would stay with her on the ship. Like in Cabo San Lucas, I can not use the tender so I would stay on the ship that day. So my question is do they allow that? I would never leave her in my room and leave the ship, I would worry one of the stewards would open the door and she would get out and I would really have a hard time finding her. Another thing, I do not need to take her into the restaurants, so during meal times is she allowed to stay in the room, usually what she does is just go into her little tent that she has (now this dog does not like a crate unless I put it into a little pink tent that disney puts out. Is she spoiled or what? I do not know what I am allowed ro do with her or does she have to stay with me at all times. Thank you so much for all the information and help you have already given me.

[DisneyKidsDad]

[quote=wizard-of-roz;18631978]Karen: I forgot to mention the wonderful meals that were provided for all us who were in Team Training for 2 weeks. The most amazing volunteers from all over the north of California and beyond came and fed us lunch, everyday! I've never been the recipient of your banana pudding but I bet it's delish! We were so grateful to these people who made us feel so special and made each day so much easier for us!


The same was true at the Long Island campus. We had volunteers bring us wonderful food for lunch. Many nights we ate the leftovers for dinner.
We even had puppy raisers drive over two hours to bring lunch one day.

[DisneyKidsDad]

I have a question for the experts. We are taking Orson to Disney World and on the Disney Cruise in July. Even though we won't be in the parks during the hottest part of the day, I am worried about his feet on the hot pavement. I was thinking of using paw wax but I don't know how well it would work, having never used it. I was also thinking about boots. I need help making this decision. If boots are the answer, then does anyone have a certain type that would work the best and be comfortable for Orson?

[Andar]

I found this thread while looking for something else and have been lurking into your lives for a couple days. Hope you don't mind.

I wanted to share a service dog story with you. One of the counselors at my daughters elementary school had a golden retreiver service dog. The dog ended up being more of a counselor than his owner. Kids would tell hime things they wouldn't tell an adult. He never judged, he just sunggled closer. He also loved to be read to, which was great for first graders struggling with that skill. Again, he never got frustrated or laughed, he just listened and sighed as only a retreiver can. He was also a reward for problem kids who had a good day. The school principal was so happy about the whole arrangement that she gave a talk at a conference about the benefits of dogs in schools.

Thanks for letting me share...

Bailey is my service dog, but she is also a registered therapy dog with Delta. She is in the Read 2 Rover program. My avitar picture is Bailey listening to a child read.

[wizard-of-roz]

Roz, I do have a question, since I am going with my sister in law and my neice, we decided that instead of taking Missie into the ports one of us would stay with her on the ship. Like in Cabo San Lucas, I can not use the tender so I would stay on the ship that day. So my question is do they allow that? I would never leave her in my room and leave the ship, I would worry one of the stewards would open the door and she would get out and I would really have a hard time finding her. Another thing, I do not need to take her into the restaurants, so during meal times is she allowed to stay in the room, usually what she does is just go into her little tent that she has (now this dog does not like a crate unless I put it into a little pink tent that disney puts out. Is she spoiled or what? I do not know what I am allowed ro do with her or does she have to stay with me at all times. Thank you so much for all the information and help you have already given me.

You may leave "Missie" in your cabin. Carnival will give you a "DO NOT DISTURB SERVICE DOG IN CABIN" sign. They had them on our last Carnival cruise. If they don't supply you with one, you may make one of your own and bring it along or use your regular "Do not disturb" sign.

Your Steward has already been informed by the Hotel Manager that there will be a dog onboard, in your cabin. So, there really are no surprises.

Leaving your dog in your cabin is totally acceptable. You need to tell him/her that when your sign is on the door, that he/she may NOT ENTER. They'll totally understand!!!! They want you to be comfortable and if that makes you happy, it makes them happy!!!

I would also inform the front desk (Purser's desk) of the sign and your "no entrance" policy. They'll make sure to tell any workman to obey your sign.


Disney: We tried using the "booties" for Brenda, when we were in Mexico and on my daughter's new hardwood floors, she hated them......she would constantly shake her paws and it took her focus off of her job.

I live in an area of L.A. that can get very, very hot. I am constantly looking for shady areas or sidewalk to walk her on, in the summer time. I will drop her off with my DH and then go and find a parking space, if it's on black top.

I have not tried the wax. Maybe someone who has used the wax or booties can help you.

[cjborne2]

Disney Dad, We used the paw wax without success in Disney in June. The poor dog was so miserable and hopping around from the hot pavement that we had to reorganize our day into indoor or more shaded areas until we could get back to the hotel to get them. From that day foward, we used the booties. He hates them, but you could tell in his eyes that, when we put them on, he knew they were going to help his feet. He didn't try to flick them off at all. You'll probably want the boots for the beach on the cruise anyway.

Nancy, so sorry to hear about your dog. We lost a cat almost a year ago and that was very difficult. The bond we've all made with the dog (he's my husband's Seeing Eye Dog) is quite different.

I am very jealous of the conversations about the Alaska cruise! We went to Anchorage (no cruise) last September. I would love to go back. There probably won't be much sun, and bring a winter coat, hat and gloves. The scenery was just beautiful without the sun. I can only imagine what it would be like with it!

[wizard-of-roz]

CJ: About booties; my husband says that I walk so fast that Brenda's paws don't get a chance to heat-up! She's getting older and starting to balk at my fast pace!

And, thanks for the suggestions of outer-wear for the Alaska cruise.

I bought Brenda a red sweater with her name monogrammed on it! She hates it, (she has a beautiful purple raincoat, too, but hates it, as well!) I'll make her wear them in Alaska. :o

I also bought her some of the most beautiful party collars of all different colors and materials. I know, I know, she's not my child and she's a Service Dog but I love her so much and she's so cute in her special stuff!!!! I don't let her wear the collars in public, only at my work and on cruises!!!!!

She'll be gorgeous for Mexico and then Alaska! :p

[DisneyKidsDad]

Thanks CJ & Roz,

I think we might pick up an inexpensive set of boots and give them a try before the trip. This way we can see how Orson reacts to them. We never stay in the parks during the hottest part of the day. We go back to the hotel and spend time at the pool. But that may not be the case on the cruise. So now I start the search for boots.

[wizard-of-roz]

Thanks CJ & Roz,

I think we might pick up an inexpensive set of boots and give them a try before the trip. This way we can see how Orson reacts to them. We never stay in the parks during the hottest part of the day. We go back to the hotel and spend time at the pool. But that may not be the case on the cruise. So now I start the search for boots.

Try: entirelypets.com or inthecompanyofdogs.com.

Please let us know how it went and how our boy liked them.

[dvdfreakmc]

I have a question for the experts. We are taking Orson to Disney World and on the Disney Cruise in July. Even though we won't be in the parks during the hottest part of the day, I am worried about his feet on the hot pavement. I was thinking of using paw wax but I don't know how well it would work, having never used it. I was also thinking about boots. I need help making this decision. If boots are the answer, then does anyone have a certain type that would work the best and be comfortable for Orson?


Hi DisneyKidsDad,

We use paw wax all the time. Light pavement has been fine with Werin with paw wax, but we are VERY careful to limit time on blacktop, if at all. Disney is a mixed bag with both light and dark, but we found that getting around the blacktop was relatively easy. Same story with other parks locally like Hershey here in PA. A mix of blacktop and light makes walking an adventure.

BTW, we got the map at EPCOT a few weeks ago for the "off-stage" areas, and they worked like a charm. A little grass in the middle of our walking did wonders for Werin, not just for toilet breaks, but walking on grass as well.

[dvdfreakmc]

[
The same was true at the Long Island campus. We had volunteers bring us wonderful food for lunch. Many nights we ate the leftovers for dinner.
We even had puppy raisers drive over two hours to bring lunch one day.[/quote]


The new Long Island Campus sounds great. We were there right after they acquired it, but before the dorms were ready. We had to pay for the hotel at the Residence Inn a little ways away for the two weeks. What was hilarious (sort of) was the Residence Inn tried to charge all of us the "pet" charge. It is the only time it has ever happened to us, but wouldn't you know it would be in their backyard.

[MCDW]

Hi Folks

We are off on our transatlantic cruise in two weeks. Starting in Fort L and ending in Rome.

Just a couple of notes - please check with your cruise line re leaving service dogs alone in the cabin. This will be our third on Holland America and it does not allow you to leave your Service Dog in the cabin alone. It even sends you a letter specifying this.

If you are going to Europe and your dog had a microchip implanted in the US or Canada it is no good for the European Nations(EU). A second will need to be implanted. EU microchips work on a different frequency.

A tattoo will only be accepted for entry to the EU until June 2010. After that a readable EU microchip will be required.

And then there is the muzzle law in some EU countries! Urgh!!!

Getting Oz ready for this trip has been a learning experience.:)

[wizard-of-roz]

MCDW: What is the "muzzle law?"

We only needed her tattoo number and all the Vet/AG.Inspection forms/Certification of training from CCI/City License and my passport for our travels to the EU.

We NEVER leave Brenda in the cabin alone but, I know that some of you do and, as I stated in a prior writing, Carnival supplied us with a "Do Not Enter, Dog in Cabin" sign for our door and Princess allows her in the cabin alone, as well! If this is necessary, it's important that a "DO NOT DISTURB" sign be placed on the door, with an explanation to the Purser's Desk, as well as your room steward. It's really not for the safety of those who enter, it's for the safety of our SD's! But, we all knew that!!!!!!!

And, Holland America needs to brought current on this.....some folks need to allow their SD's to have some "down time" in the cabin and maybe they will have to be alone, they need to be taught that this is not a bad thing!

Thank you for the updated information.

Are you a member of IAADP (Independent Association of Assistance Dog Partners)?

They had an article in one of their publications about what is needed to travel to the EU. I don't recall the "muzzle law" but I do recall reading about the microchip and the expiration of the allowance for the tattoo's.

We're not planning a trip overseas in the near future, however we are going into Canada. I'll inquire as to any changes they may need.

Have a wonderful trip, please tell us how you enjoyed it, upon your return. And, again, thank you for keeping us apprised of the changes and requirements for our amazing Service Dogs!

[MCDW]

Hi Again:

I have spoken to colleagues in Rome and it's law is muzzles in public. Not sure about the rest of Italy. This information is also on numerous websites re Rome. It is only recently service dogs have been allowed on public transportation. There are no Italian laws re accessibility for accommodation. I ran into this problem when booking accommodations.

Nothing compared to the ADA in the US or the Charter of Human Rights in Canada. :(

Our guide school is a member of the International Federation of Guide Schools.

You will have no problem bringing a service dog into Canada as long as the shots and vet health certificate are up to date.....Enjoy our fine country. If you need/want information about where you will be going in Canada, just ask. Take care

[wizard-of-roz]

Thank you! :)

[dvdfreakmc]

Hi Again:

I have spoken to colleagues in Rome and it's law is muzzles in public. Not sure about the rest of Italy. This information is also on numerous websites re Rome. It is only recently service dogs have been allowed on public transportation. There are no Italian laws re accessibility for accommodation. I ran into this problem when booking accommodations.

Nothing compared to the ADA in the US or the Charter of Human Rights in Canada. :(

Our guide school is a member of the International Federation of Guide Schools.

You will have no problem bringing a service dog into Canada as long as the shots and vet health certificate are up to date.....Enjoy our fine country. If you need/want information about where you will be going in Canada, just ask. Take care


Does the Charter of Human Rights in Canada overrule provincal laws. We have had problems, esp. in Quebec with taking Werin into restaurants and buses with us. Since she is not a "seeing eye dog" which the provincal law refers to. Any ideas?

[cjborne2]

Ollies boots are by RuffWear. I'm not sure if he got them through the Seeing Eye or from a pet store in that area. I've seen them in catalogs though.

[DisneyKidsDad]

Ollies boots are by RuffWear. I'm not sure if he got them through the Seeing Eye or from a pet store in that area. I've seen them in catalogs though.

I just saw those boots on-line. Do you use the liners too? How long did it take Ollie to get used to them?

[giggleykim]

My husband and I are going on Celebrity Millennium next February. He is in a wheelchair and is bring along his service dog. Does anyone know which of the ports we are able to bring her along to?

St. Croix U.S.V.I (we where told yes but LOTS of paper work)
Basseterre St. Kitts
Roseau Dominica
Castries St. Lucia
Bridgetown Barbados (http://www.celebritycruises.com/search/vacationItinerary.do;jsessionid=00006ICfx_o8jP8F_y _xtS9TZgn:12hdebcnj?packageCode=ML11L015&backPageName=Itinerary+Search+Results#)
St. George's Grenada
Willemstad Curacao
Oranjestad Aurba

[dvdfreakmc]

Hi, I just called Amtrak to get the reservations for the cruise this summer, and the special needs service desk told me that Werin wouldn't be allowed. I redirected them and started asking for names, so they backed off and said they will call me back in a couple of hours after they have researched it, but they felt that Werin's services were a "comfort" animal and not eligible as a service animal.

Oh boy - if they come back and tell me no - I'll not be pleased and will start making waves. More to come.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Wow, here we go. One persons opinion on something they obviously know nothing about! They should have just told you they would have to research it first, before stating Werin couldn't go. If they only knew what wonderful things Wering has done for your son. Send them some pictures..... But they probably still wouldn't get it. Good luck, let us know what happens.

[cjborne2]

I just saw those boots on-line. Do you use the liners too? How long did it take Ollie to get used to them?

We do not use the liners. Ollie still really does not like the boots and tolerates them when he has to. I think, though, he realizes that they do protect his feet and didn't try to get them off. We kept checking to make sure he didn't flick them off though.

[wizard-of-roz]

My husband and I are going on Celebrity Millennium next February. He is in a wheelchair and is bring along his service dog. Does anyone know which of the ports we are able to bring her along to?

St. Croix U.S.V.I (we where told yes but LOTS of paper work)
Basseterre St. Kitts
Roseau Dominica
Castries St. Lucia
Bridgetown Barbados (http://www.celebritycruises.com/search/vacationItinerary.do;jsessionid=00006ICfx_o8jP8F_y _xtS9TZgn:12hdebcnj?packageCode=ML11L015&backPageName=Itinerary+Search+Results#)
St. George's Grenada
Willemstad Curacao
Oranjestad Aurba

Kim: Welcome! Celebrity was very accommodating to us and to Brenda. Your TA should check for you and should let you know what is required on each island. Or, sometimes our Vets are a great resource for travel information to various countries and/or islands.

Honestly, the laws are changing as we write.....So, it's a good idea to get the most current information.

When you find out what is needed please come back and let us know. Or, maybe someone online can answer your questions.

I believe "Quam" visited these Islands, maybe she can help!

[wizard-of-roz]

Hi, I just called Amtrak to get the reservations for the cruise this summer, and the special needs service desk told me that Werin wouldn't be allowed. I redirected them and started asking for names, so they backed off and said they will call me back in a couple of hours after they have researched it, but they felt that Werin's services were a "comfort" animal and not eligible as a service animal.

Oh boy - if they come back and tell me no - I'll not be pleased and will start making waves. More to come.

WRONG - WRONG - WRONG.....That moron did not know what they were talking about......Werin has ALL PUBLIC RIGHTS! I don't want to be them, when you've had enough of them!

Just book your reservations for the train for your family, you're not required to give them any prior notice of a Service Dog boarding.....so, just call someone else and book it!!!!!

It's so aggrevating when we try and give a public venue a head's-up about our SD's and they come back with some ignorant remark.

Some public venue's MUST have a pre-registration or heads-up to accommodate our dogs and others are just going to have to "suck-it-up!"

I suppose, unless you're on a Sleeper car, there's no reason AmTrak needs any advance knowledge of our SD's boarding and even then, they don't supply anything (in the way of a pottybox), so, what's their problem?

I've traveled via. AmTrak and Metrolink and have never been questioned. I buy my ticket, I board with Brenda....I scope out the seat with the best floor space for her and we're done. The engineer and the conductor's have always been very welcoming.......You got the "AmTrak Moron of The Week!"

Aren't I getting braver and braver about this "public access" stuff! Remember when I would get really upset at the folks who would give me a hard time.....Now, I just ignore them and move on. I don't even acknowledge them and I suggest that they call the police to have me and my SD removed, it saves me the phone call!

[dvdfreakmc]

I hear you Roz. I do tend to get worse treatment when I try to do the right thing and call ahead. While it has always worked out on Amtrak, there agents over the phone are the worst. Actually, it all worked out today and the Special Needs dept. called back. Apparently they have had a huge increase of individuals bringing dogs on and saying they are service dogs, so they are trying to only let the legit ones through. Interestingly enough, the guy that did the research at Amtrak has an autistic son, so we ended up chatting on how Werin assists Cameron and what a change she has made. We are all set for the trip to Montreal and then back from Boston. In fact, he gave us an extra seat for Werin without charging so we would have enough room. It all worked out, just a bit of consternation yesterday.

It was a good lesson for me though. I need to be better prepared and ready to describe the specific functions that Werin does. I was caught a little off guard, but after re-reading the reg's yesterday, I should be ready to answer with specific things that Werin does such as 1) Sensory input control 2) Safety due to "flight syndrome" and 3) Therapy due to stimming, rather than my usual answer of just plain old, "licensed disability service dog". We ran into another problem last week in a CVS in Washington D.C. where they were asking all the "wrong" questions about Werin and told us to leave. After being firm, I did the same as you and asked them to call the police, so that they could be informed.

Unfortunately there is a real increase of pets being brought along as service or comfort animals. We have seen it ourselves, as common as last week, when a dog that was clearly not trained started acting out while on a harness on the Metro in D.C. Sadly, I think we will be asked much more about Werin as we are going along nowadays, unless there is new legislation that closes some of the holes in the current guidelines.

Funny story about our trip to Washington D.C. last week. The bomb sniffing dog at the Acela Train started going crazy with barking and jumping up and down when Werin walked by, but Werin didn't even look up -- she's so GOOD!

[dvdfreakmc]

So proud of Cameron and I neglected to post a photo for you -- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1976976&l=41fe3258d3&id=648466808 Cameron (Fifth grade) volunteered to speak at the Autism booth at his school health fair. I helped him prepare a 4 min. speech which included questions and answers about Autism and how Werin helps him. There were about 25 groups of 10 or so children in each group. While he was VERY nervous the day before, he did GREAT (a reward of a Lego toy never hurt anything). From a guy that barely talked when he received Werin, to giving speeches at school - he has come a long way baby!

[S.S. Cruisers]

Holy cow! That gave me goose bumps about Cameron and of course Werin. I am also, so proud of him. Don't tell me animals don't sooth the soul. Give Cameron a hug and tell him we are all rooting for him. And Werin gets scratches and kudos for being such a good girl. You guys have a great team. :D

[wizard-of-roz]

Peter: What a great story of Cameron and Werin! I, too, have the goosebump and tears in the eyes thing going on. I swear, we all belong to each other. I'm so proud of Cameron and I'm so happy that your family found CCI. Aren't these dogs "miracle makers"!

I have also heard some stories of people who are trying to pass-off their dogs as SD's. I totally understand how comforting their pets are to them however, if they only knew the difficulty and damage that they are creating for people who depend on their SD's every day. I hope that some of them are reading these threads and can understand the difference that Werin has made in Cameron's life and, how, by trying to pass their pets as Service Dogs only makes Cameron's success's that much harder for him and so many others just like him.

[kerrytens]

OK, first off - bravo Cameron!!!! What an awesome, and inspiring, story for all of us who live our lives with a child with autism. They are the most amazing kids to me - totally special. Way to go, buddy :D

Now for my silly SD question - because of the issues all of you are experiencing with your dogs and 'imposters' (if I can use that term) passing off untrained dogs as SD, do your guys not wear some sort of vest indicating their oh so important job???

Miriam

[wizard-of-roz]

Canine Companions for Independence (CCI) does use Service Dog vests, with their logo on each side. Some Orgs. do not.

When Brenda is out in public and at work she's got her vest on. The vest has two zippered pouches, allowing for her "pooh bags", my car keys and some extra money for shopping (at least that's what I use them for!)

It is not required by the Dept. of Justice or the ADA for the dog to wear a vest. However, that said, it sure makes life easier, in most cases.

Sometimes, it doesn't matter......some places don't even see the vest, they just see the dog and go balistic!!!!!

Puppies in training actually wear a "cape", no pockets, just an identifiable cape to alert the public to the fact that the dog is in public to learn how to socialize with humans, noises, etc.

[kerrytens]

Canine Companions for Independence (CCI) does use Service Dog vests, with their logo on each side. Some Orgs. do not.

When Brenda is out in public and at work she's got her vest on. The vest has two zippered pouches, allowing for her "pooh bags", my car keys and some extra money for shopping (at least that's what I use them for!)

It is not required by the Dept. of Justice or the ADA for the dog to wear a vest. However, that said, it sure makes life easier, in most cases.

Sometimes, it doesn't matter......some places don't even see the vest, they just see the dog and go balistic!!!!!

Puppies in training actually wear a "cape", no pockets, just an identifiable cape to alert the public to the fact that the dog is in public to learn how to socialize with humans, noises, etc.
Thanks Roz,

I would have thought that a vest would have been mandatory to alert the public that the dog is 'on duty' and therefore should not be disturbed.
Had no idea there was no standard, so to speak, to identify these dogs.

Miriam

[dvdfreakmc]

OK, first off - bravo Cameron!!!! What an awesome, and inspiring, story for all of us who live our lives with a child with autism. They are the most amazing kids to me - totally special. Way to go, buddy :D

Now for my silly SD question - because of the issues all of you are experiencing with your dogs and 'imposters' (if I can use that term) passing off untrained dogs as SD, do your guys not wear some sort of vest indicating their oh so important job???

Miriam


Not a silly question at all. Werin ALWAYS wears her vest in public, but I can understand why we are "challenged" about it all the time. Werin has two harnesses, one for me and one from Cameron. They are both leashes and not a seeing eye dog type of harness. Dogs trained for individuals with Autism was a VERY new thing when Cameron received Werin a few years ago, and still it is not the norm. Cameron is mobile as am I, so we generally expect many more questions than the more traditional team, since Werin does look like a pet, except for her badge. Of course, the challenges are far smaller than the number of people that come up and ask all sorts of questions about how Werin helps. Most people think we are training her for CCI and say as such, but we just mention that she is working and has been for 4 years. Actually, some likely look at us and think we are passing off our "pet" as a service dog, which is why we get so many confrontations as we don't fit the norm of what people are expecting, but then seizure alert dogs don't really look the norm either. Also, Cameron's dog really performs many of the same functions as dogs that assist non-mobile facilitators, but because we are mobile and up walking around - it just isn't obvious to folks.

I understand, but sometimes having to explain yourself and getting challenged much of the time does make it hard and you get down, but I just need to remember that letting people know about what Werin does really help for others that will follow.

Because the current laws are designed to prevent discrimination and allow access to service dogs, they are quite broad, which doesn't give business people much recourse if they suspect that a dog is a pet vs. a service dog. They can't ask about the disability, but only whether the dog is a service animal and what functions they perform. Anyone can buy a badge from an online retailer, and there are no training standards required by law. Of course CCI and many other training programs follow guidelines and testing protocols from the national and internationl guide dog organizations, but it does make it difficult for business owners to distinguish and ask the right questions unless they really know what they are doing.

On the other side, if the laws were tightened too much, then some of the disabled would not be able to utilize dogs as many programs charge for the expense or the waiting lists for places like CCI would be much longer.

Last year I believe, CCI was asked to contribute guidelines to proposed new legislation to address this specific issue, as the broad outlines of the ADA for service animals is creating some problems as the definitions are not well defined.

[kerrytens]

You can buy a SD badge online??? That is so not right!!!

It does sound like CCI has a standard vest and that is wonderful to hear. It must be so terrible to have to explain the why's ... so not fair to all of you.

I do have to say that my family situation with my daughter would appear very similar to Cameron's family. Hannah is totally mobile and even one of her doctors says she is 'almost there' (his terms) - love this man to death and I take it in only the best of ways. He calls her quirky :D

If you spend time with her you then realize her difficulties in coping with day to day things (she immediately noticed - and got upset - when I moved a picture frame from one shelf to the next and it is only 1" x 1" - that is how set and observant she is! LOL). I can totally understand how a SD would serve her well.

On that front, I have sort of halted my search for now. My current dog is going to 13 in a few days and is starting to show some signs of that advanced age. My focus needs to be on him for the time being while the SD search is put onto the back burner ... for now!!!
Miriam

[S.S. Cruisers]

I am embarassed to say, but when we got Reno, in 1995, the following summer, 1996, we met a couple who had a black lab and their sister had a yellow. They had or had made service vests that allowed their "pets" to travel on airlines in the cabin department instead of the bins (back then) I did not understand all the ramifications, except it was "wrong" for them to push their pets off as SD. Until I started working with special needs and came across your wonderful thread, I did not think about it until then. Now I know what a disservice it has done to those that really have SD, need them and have to have them with them. I hadn't really thought about it again until you guys started talking about the difficulties you have "proving" that your furbabies are what they are. Being an honest person tends to make one naive. I can't even think what it would be like to be a parent of an autistic child. Just working with them has humbled me beyond words. I am so in awe of you guys that I can't even put it in words. I know we do what we have to do. Raising a 6 year old grandson because his mother is not fit to do it only gets half way to where you guys are. I know I wouldn't have it any other way any more than any of you would. God bless Cameron and Hannah and their wonderful parents and furbabies. I wish I could be closer to you guys and work first hand with them. What a delight!
Nancy

[Quampapetet]

I believe "Quam" visited these Islands, maybe she can help!

Nope, sorry, I've never been to any of those places.

[kerrytens]

God bless Cameron and Hannah and their wonderful parents and furbabies. I wish I could be closer to you guys and work first hand with them. What a delight!
Nancy
Thank you for the really kind words Nancy but honestly being Hannah's mom is easy - yes, she has her moments (gee, I think I do too!). For the most part, I don't think I'm doing anything special. She is just a great kid!! :D I would bet that Cameron is equally as wonderful!

Miriam
PS. Wish you were closer too so you could meet her!
PPS. How are you doing?

[Quampapetet]

I need to be better prepared and ready to describe the specific functions that Werin does. I was caught a little off guard, but after re-reading the reg's yesterday, I should be ready to answer with specific things that Werin does such as 1) Sensory input control 2) Safety due to "flight syndrome" and 3) Therapy due to stimming, rather than my usual answer of just plain old, "licensed disability service dog".

You need to answer what tasks the dog has been trained to do that mitigate the disability, not what parts of the disability are mitigated. They cannot ask about the disability and you likely don't want to tell them, either. I don't know what tasks Werin does, so I can't give you an example about him, but take me for example. Some of my issues are with mobility (such as balance) and energy (lack thereof), but I don't tell businesses that those are some of the things my dog helps with nor can they ask about them. I tell them she helps me walk (tasks like balance and counter-balance) and she retrieves items for me (items I've dropped or can't reach at the moment and such).

And you never want to use the word "therapy" (or "emotional support" or "comfort" or "companion" or any similar word) when describing a service dog, as you don't want the business thinking you're trying to pass a therapy dog or emotional support dog off as a service dog just to bring them with you. If you said that word to Amtrak, I can see why they denied you. You have to be careful how you word things, especially with all the ppl trying to bring their pets places these days.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Miriam;
I would be honored to meet Hannah. Don't we all have our moments? :D I am doing ok. I finally got mom here and it is turning into a challenge taking care of her. Not a big deal, just can get frustrating. Her memory isn't what it use to be on some things, but great on others. We shall get thru this also.

As for Reno, I come and go. I opened a piece of cheese the other night and started crying. Reno and I always shared our cheese. I swear he could hear a cheese wrapper from 20 miles away! :) I still look for him to be stretched out across the hall and hear him barking in the back yard to come in. It is all happy thoughts and I know he is happy too! No more pain.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Quam: Good to hear from you. Yes, we must watch what we say when speaking with the public about our SD's. Too bad!

Miriam: Unbelieveable that there are vests, badges, signs, etc., that can be purchased online and, that can turn a "non-service" dog into a Service Dog! We have many challenges to overcome when walking or wheeling with a Service Dog.....but, this is the worst.

Nancy: I know each day without Reno is a different sort of day. I hope that each one becomes easier and easier for you.

I miss him too, I miss your wonderfully funny stories about your "bad boy!" Now, I share your loss and always tear-up when you talk about him!

[rangeley]

Peter, What a great story about Cameron and Werin!! It just goes to
show how much these dogs do for us.

Nancy, I just opened a piece of cheese to give Bailee her pills and read your post. Of course I started to cry with you. It's strange how some things trigger our memories. What dog doesn't come running when the cheese is opened. Rangeley and Bailee used to share a piece if I was making a sandwich or when I needed to sneak a pill to one of them.

Today is our telephone interview with CCI. We are very excited and very nervous. The application process is moving on alot quicker that we anticipated. The first step was suppose to take 2 to 4 weeks, and here we are on step 3 after only 3 weeks. John is very ready for another dog. Me, I still have mixed feelings about it. I am most concerned about Bailee. After being attacked, I don't know how she is going to be with another dog. We will have to stress that we really need a dog that is going to get along with an older dog. I'll let everyone know how it went later.
Cindy & John

[S.S. Cruisers]

Cindy;
How exciting! I hope Bailee can see that "the other" dog will be there to help Dad and a working dog. I hope she can get thru it too. Reno was rolled by a big Airdale. From that day on he didn't like any other dogs to get close to him. He didn't care what size there were. It was hard to explain to people "Yes, he is a lab, yes he loves "people", not so much other dogs." They would insist that their dog gets along with everyone. It would only take one little snarl from Reno and then they usually got it.......He was more tolerant towards puppies.

Let us know how your process is going. We are all excited with you.:D
Nancy

[DisneyKidsDad]

Today is our telephone interview with CCI. We are very excited and very nervous. The application process is moving on alot quicker that we anticipated. The first step was suppose to take 2 to 4 weeks, and here we are on step 3 after only 3 weeks. John is very ready for another dog. Me, I still have mixed feelings about it. I am most concerned about Bailee. After being attacked, I don't know how she is going to be with another dog. We will have to stress that we really need a dog that is going to get along with an older dog. I'll let everyone know how it went later.
Cindy & John

When we brought Orson home, it was to our nine year old yellow Lab and a four year old Yorkie. Orson is such a submissive dog, as are all CCI dogs, that their was never a problem. We let the dogs meet in the front yard and Orson went on his back and there was never a question who was in charge. The only thing we have to watch out for is our yellow Lab trying the old dominance "hump" once in a while.
The telephone interview is nothing to worry about.

[wizard-of-roz]

Yeh! Cindy! I'm so excited for you both. CCI dogs are wonderful about other dogs......they're raised with a huge contingency of dog personalities. Everything will be fine, they'll grow to love/hate each other, just like siblings do. You know that "who brought the new baby in my house" thing!

Please let us know how it goes and certainly before you actually go to TeamTraining.

Nancy: Have you seen the thread about "Shogun", the wonderful Samoyed who just lost his battle with cancer? His owner was sharing with Cruise Critic members the day of his passing. It's been such an emotional week, as we all faced the immortality of our own fur-friends.

Someone had sent in an amazing poem and Host Caroline shared the story of how her vet took a paw print from her dog and placed it on the poem and handed it to her after her dog went to sleep.

The thread is on the Princess boards under "Shogun", it's wonderful/helpful but very sad reading.

[S.S. Cruisers]

Roz;
Thank you for sending me over to the Princess board. What a great poem. Says it all. I still have tears in my eyes, but I am at peace that it was the right thing to do.

Nancy

[wizard-of-roz]

Roz;
Thank you for sending me over to the Princess board. What a great poem. Says it all. I still have tears in my eyes, but I am at peace that it was the right thing to do.

Nancy

You're so welcome.....and, we all know that Reno is more comfortable now and he's grateful to you for that........Take good care of YOU!

[dvdfreakmc]

Sorry I have been away for a couple of days and my work computer doesn't allow me to the boards. Guess they know I would be here all day:D

Miriam - Hannah sounds a lot like Cameron now. Cameron has some speech issues, but I agree "nearly there" and "quirky" He is a big hit at school right now as he can sink a basketball like no one else (at least that is what he says) I agree with you. Being a Dad of an child with special needs is a gift. He has taught me so much over the years that it isn't a burden at all. Sure there are times he is a pill, but there are times I am as well. ha, ha.

Quampapetet - You are right, of course. I should have had my list out for all the things that Werin does for Cameron and you are right - Therapy is a no-no when describing public access situations. I just got caught off guard.

Nancy - Werin is a HUGE cheese hound. She can tell when I am opening the fridge for my cheese fix before I even grab for it. Thanks for you comments about Cameron and Susan and I as his parents, but I am a firm believer that we are given what we can handle, and Cameron has helped stretch me and grow, just like any child. Sure, when we got his diagnosis I had a sense of loss and grief, but I am constantly reminded that Cameron's way of seeing the world seems completely normal to him and while we try to adjust his view of the world to make it easier and more acceptable to others - he has unique gifts that he gives to everyone.

Cindy and John - what an exciting time - the application process. I remember getting the call for the interview so well. The trip over, getting time off work. Of course on the day of the interview it was a TERRIBLE day for Cameron. He wouldn't interact with the dogs and couldn't sit to listen to anything. We went into the office at the end, and they brought in the dogs for one last chance to see if Cameron interacted with them at all - and all of a sudden, he just opened up and hugged them and laugh like he hadn't in a terribly long time. I think everyone's breath was taken away, but especially mine. It was a short small vision of the life that Cameron could have after learning how to bond with a living thing and then learn to bond with us. It was a pretty amazing day.

Roz - Can't say enough how much I appreciate you starting this board so that we can talk not only about the logistics of taking a service dog on a cruise, but share our lives with each other and our furry helpers. Your dedication to the board and us is really amazing!

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Peter: I hadn't shed one tear, all day! I was proud of myself! Then, you told Cameron's story and I'm filled with goosebumps and tears.

You, are an amazing father and how lucky Cameron is to have you in his life and how lucky for all of you that Werin came into all of your lives, she was born for you.

And, you are so welcome! I love this thread! I'm so glad that we've all met each other and brought each other through so many rough and especially beautiful times. I've learned a lot from all of you!

I especially love our moderator who keeps it on the front page for all of us to see and for new folks like Cindy and John, to share their experience of getting a new Service Dog with us. Walt, thank you for that!

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Peter: I hadn't shed one tear, all day! I was proud of myself! Then, you told Cameron's story and I'm filled with goosebumps and tears.

You, are an amazing father and how lucky Cameron is to have you in his life and how lucky for all of you that Werin came into all of your lives, she was born for you.

And, you are so welcome! I love this thread! I'm so glad that we've all met each other and brought each other through so many rough and especially beautiful times. I've learned a lot from all of you!

I especially love our moderator who keeps it on the front page for all of us to see and for new folks like Cindy and John, to share their experience of getting a new Service Dog with us. Walt, thank you for that!
I want to thank the moderators of this thread too!!!! It is the best and something I check in on daily - and I don't even have a cruise booked :)
Miriam

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Miriam - Hannah sounds a lot like Cameron now. Cameron has some speech issues, but I agree "nearly there" and "quirky" He is a big hit at school right now as he can sink a basketball like no one else (at least that is what he says) I agree with you. Being a Dad of an child with special needs is a gift. He has taught me so much over the years that it isn't a burden at all. Sure there are times he is a pill, but there are times I am as well. ha, ha.

It truly is a gift, isn't it - I am sure we parents all cried a few dozen tears after that 'diagnosis' was announced but if we'd only known then what these kids would teach us (and will continue to) ... boy!
I do have a question for you though - you mentioned that Cameron wouldn't interact with the dogs at all during your interview process (but eventually did). I'm thinking in terms of Hannah right now and how she would handle the situation. I'm worried that when the time comes (look at me being so confident that it WILL happen!!!!), she will appear afraid of them. Yes, she has been raised with dogs all her life - two dogs met her at the door upon release from the hospital - but I know her sensory issues are really the root of the problem. She really doesn't want them close (soft touch, a brush, for example, is sheer torture).
I know all cases are different especially when it comes to autism but would you know if she would even pass the prelim stage of screening??? I would like to hear all opinions on this question actually.
I know I said I put the SD search onto the back burner for now but upon futher thought, I thought I should actually keep it going despite my wonderful Finn's advanced age.

Miriam