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Leslieswiger
August 7th, 2004, 05:33 PM
I have read on several threads that the "Dutch Night" menu is not the best. What's the problem?:confused: Do they still do the herring on Dutch Night and what specialities are on the menu for that evening?:confused: FOOD FOOD FOOD:p

sail7seas
August 7th, 2004, 06:28 PM
They eliminated three of our favorite things.

No longer any dover sole, they switched bami goreng for nasi goreng and the steak they used to serve is not the same....DH used to like the one they offered for years.

Krazy Kruizers
August 7th, 2004, 07:47 PM
:)

Herring has not been offered on Dutch night for a number of cruises as an appetizer. Just another item HAL has given up.

On our Dutch night there was Dutch Beef Pot Roast, Nasi Goreng, Groemten Kroetten (?) , duck breast with ornage sauce, pork chop with spiced apple chutney, and halibut medallion.

We have made a comment before about how the choices have diminished over the last few years. And we wondered if it was because so few people were attending the BBQ which is usually held the same night. Is HAL trying to get more people to attend the BBQ?



:)

OCruisers
August 7th, 2004, 09:19 PM
Sad about the Dover Sole. Whine! :(

:o Do we still get our cute hats? :confused:

Whatever .... Happy Sailing! OCruisers :)

Little Feet
August 7th, 2004, 09:40 PM
The only bright spot on the menu is the "Chocolate Tulip" dessert. Trust me, I've experienced it.

sail7seas
August 7th, 2004, 10:33 PM
Yes, they still have the dutch hats for the ladies and the caps for the gents.


Good point about the barbeque. I hadn't thought of that. They will NOT tempt us to go to the barbeque no matter how bad they make the dining room menu. That is not my idea of dinner.....standing in line with a plate and smelling the fumes from a grill; getting an overcooked tough steak and then roaming around trying to find a place to sit. I prefer to be seated comfortably in the dining room and being served.

We'll order room service before we'll be at the barbeque.

TedC
August 7th, 2004, 10:40 PM
I agree the barbecue is no "picnic." Ask my wife, I like to be waited on.

We'll still go to Dutch Night if only for the Chocolate Tulip. In protest I will not wear the silly cap!

superstein61
August 7th, 2004, 11:59 PM
I have read on several threads that the "Dutch Night" menu is not the best. What's the problem?:confused: Do they still do the herring on Dutch Night and what specialities are on the menu for that evening?:confused: FOOD FOOD FOOD:p
Dutch night is why the on deck barbecue was created !!!!

Please - do yourself a favor and enjoy the on deck barbecue - nothing could be better that grilled steak, ribs, fish all freshly grilled over hot coals in front of you.

the steak was absolutely delicious -

and if old MATT is out there wondering about getting more than one steak in the Pinnacle Grill, while I can't answer that, I will say that MATT, you can get as many steaks as you want at the on deck barbecue.

stillfrantic
August 8th, 2004, 08:17 AM
superstein: Which night was the Dutch Disaster/BBQ on the Zuiderdam last week?

Krazy Kruizers
August 8th, 2004, 08:35 AM
:)

Agree with s7s, when on vacation we prefer to be waited on.

The couple of times we tried the BBQ a few years ago, our steaks were tough.

If the Dutch night menu gets any worse, then that will probably be one of the nights we go to the Pinnacle Grill.

:)

jazzsea
August 8th, 2004, 08:43 AM
We always make reservations at the Pinnacle Grill for Dutch Night. And if for some reason the Bar-B-Q is held on another night we will try for the Pinnacle on that night, as well.

Several times when we were in port late on that (or those) night (s), we ate in town.

I heard a rumor that Dutch Night was to be discontinued on Vista Class Ships. So far no news as to when this might happen.

On Wind Star we would never think of missing a meal onboard. Lately on Holland America we look forward to a dinner on shore, if possible.

Randyk47
August 8th, 2004, 08:54 AM
I was beginning to wonder if I was having a senior moment because I couldn't remember anything about Dutch Night on our Oosterdam cruise in March. Still can't but I'm at least beginning to think it was the same night as the BBQ. Of course, that particular night we were in Cozumel until nearly midnight and we ate on shore so we passed on the BBQ. Out of my 4 HAL cruises I've actually only done the Dutch night once and don't remember being particularly impressed. Of course, having lived over there I'm not a particular fan of Dutch food anyhow. No offense, just not my taste.

sail7seas
August 8th, 2004, 08:54 AM
We found the food on our recent Maasdam cruise to be very, very good. There have been some menu changes which have been noted here but we enjoyed the dining room alot.


(I know food is subjective and what I like etc.... but we have found for some time that it will vary by Chef. Even though they are cooking substantially the same menus on all the ships, some Chefs simply make a presentation more to our liking than others.)

Lois R
August 8th, 2004, 09:01 AM
Hi...so many different opinions about the food:confused:

quote by jazzsea

"lately on Holland America we look forward to dinner on shore, if possible".:(

Oh my goodness......that really tells me you do not like any of the food, if you prefer to eat in port.
I am not judging you, I promise....so, you are happy with everything else on the ship? Or, are you not sailing HAL anymore? I am not trying to be sarcastic....you statement just threw me.....

Lisa63
August 8th, 2004, 09:27 AM
They will NOT tempt us to go to the barbeque no matter how bad they make the dining room menu. That is not my idea of dinner.....standing in line with a plate and smelling the fumes from a grill; getting an overcooked tough steak and then roaming around trying to find a place to sit. I prefer to be seated comfortably in the dining room and being served.

I agree 100%. Being served a wonderful meal in a beautiful setting is one of the reasons we enjoy cruising. I wait in enough lines already at home.

gizmo
August 8th, 2004, 10:52 AM
We tried the BBQ once. One of the crew told me they would have shrimp so we decided to go. "The Shrimp" was one small shrimp and some unkown fish on a skewer. The steak was not bad, but not the best we have had on the ship. At least it was done to our liking. We did not like the long lines or trying to find a place to sit. We thought the dining room food was much better. We would not attend one again. We both like being waited on and as much as Mr.Gizmo likes buffets we both enjoy breakfast in the dining room more than the Lido.

Back to the subject, Dutch Night. I am disappointed that my favorites, Dover Sole and Bami Goreng have been eliminated from the menu. On our last cruise I think there was a shrimp entree that was good. If this were not on the menu I would change things around. I love the appitizer, the chicken filled pastry with the mushroom sauce and the pea soup. I would probably do a double order of the chicken pastry with mushroom sauce as an entree and order a baked potatoe and veggie. I would still order the soup and probably a salad. I should have enough room for dessert for that chocolate tuplip!

reggielew
August 8th, 2004, 11:42 AM
Hi!

We just returned from the Maasdam (July 24th--31st) and there was no barbecue any night. I didn't remember one, so I just checked my daily cruise sheets. There was a salmon bake out by the pool one afternoon for lunch, but there was no barbecue any night. This was only our 3rd cruise on Holland America (31st cruise overall), and I don't remember if there had been a barbecue on our previous 2 cruises, but there was definitely not one last week on the Maasdam.

It was a great cruise, and we really had a good time!!!

Reggie

Krazy Kruizers
August 8th, 2004, 01:09 PM
:)

gizmo - on our 13 day Maasdam cruise, the pastry shell with chicken and mushroom sauce was not on the menu as an appetizer. I love it - in fact one time I ordered 2 of them for my entre.

At lunch time one afternoon, a seafood mixture in a pastry shell was offered. It was very good.

:)

elmorejj
August 8th, 2004, 01:34 PM
OK I`ve made up my mind. No more Dover sole or Bami, so I`ve decided on a HUGE bowl of pea soup, and Dutch apple pie with a side of chocolate tulip...there, that`s my choice in future. I will NEVER go to the BBQ again...horrible!......jean

Little Feet
August 8th, 2004, 02:56 PM
It seems most of us agree.....Dutch Night menu is awful! Most of the edible offerings have been discontinued.......leaving only salad, soup, apple pie, and chocolate tulip as being acceptable. WHY DOES HAL HAVE DUTCH NIGHT????

xeena
August 8th, 2004, 03:00 PM
as long as i dont cook it and dont have to clean up i am pretty tolerant of food....unless it is inedible. i find that if you dont like something, you can just trade it in for something else.....

our fist HAL cruise was last Dec and we were delighted with the Dutch presentation if not the menu choices.....we booked again on the Westerdam this Dec.........hope it is as good as the Veendam was.....

only goes to prove, to each's own !

sail7seas
August 8th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Until this very recent menu change, we always looked forward to it.


HAL has always "saluted" it's Dutch lineage and Dutch Officers by having what used to be a nice Dutch evening in the dining room.

I hope they will reconsider what is currently the Dutch Night Menu if they inend to continue having Dutch Night.......and I think they should.

jazzsea
August 8th, 2004, 09:11 PM
Don't think for a minute that we don't like the food and service on Holland America. We're just not fans of the Bar B Q or the Dutch Night menu.

But some of my fondest memories are of our whole table from the ship going ashore for dinner. Once in Cozumel and once in St. Lucia. We just had the best time.

Many times we take advantage of being in port later by having dinner ashore. I didn't mean to speak unkindly about HAL. I love them.

Cruiseoften
August 8th, 2004, 09:46 PM
Yes, they still have the dutch hats for the ladies and the caps for the gents.

Good point about the barbeque. I hadn't thought of that. They will NOT tempt us to go to the barbeque no matter how bad they make the dining room menu. That is not my idea of dinner.....standing in line with a plate and smelling the fumes from a grill; getting an overcooked tough steak and then roaming around trying to find a place to sit. I prefer to be seated comfortably in the dining room and being served.

We'll order room service before we'll be at the barbeque.

Totally agree! Unless you stake out your table at least an hour before they start cooking (and park yourself there) you're out of luck. :( :(

Actually I'd forgotten that Dutch Night is also BBQ night and can't remember it always being that way......not surprising tho considering BBQ's are not high on our priority list at any time. There's usually something on the menu which appeals, failing that, it's room service for us. :D

stillfrantic
August 8th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Which night??? Does anyone know for sure? I understood it to be Sunday night on the Zuiderdam Western trip, but someone going the same week on the roll call said upon asking, she was told it was Thursday for the Zuiderdam.

:eek: I'm not sure there is anything I'd eat at either place that night. So, if not the Pinaccle, what does room service offer? Is it either sandwiches or what is being served in the dining room?

elmorejj
August 8th, 2004, 10:42 PM
Room service does offer a grilled chicken filet dinner, but other than that its either hot or cold sandwiches, potato salad, caesers salad, dessert etc..sorry...jean

sail7seas
August 8th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Read the dining room menu which will be posted. If you don't care for it; go get a burger or taco late in the afternoon. The burger bar is open until 5 P.M. Pizza is available until 5 P.M. also. Then you can skip dinner and if you are hungry, go to the late night buffet in Lido at 11:30. I have never heard of anyone going hungry on an HAL ship and I sincerely doubt you will either.


The club sandwich on the room service menu is delicious.

localady
August 8th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Better than that, go up to the Lido for a casual dinner! The night they were BBQing in Alaska, there was also a casual dinner offered in the Lido. The Casual dinner offered steak, chicken and then some of the entrees from the dining room.:cool:

sail7seas
August 8th, 2004, 10:57 PM
We have never, in all our cruises, had dinner in Lido so I wasn't sure if they serve casual dinner there on the night they run the barbeque. I thought the barbeque might the only other choice aside from Pinnacle. If Lido is open, then absolutely no problem at all.


Like I previously commented, I have never heard of anyone going hungry on an HAL ship. :)

Cruiseoften
August 8th, 2004, 10:57 PM
I'm an "eat to live" kind of person - a bowl of pea soup, some nice crusty bread, Dutch Apple Pie and I'm happy - if a hearty slice of cheese is available, so much the better, it goes well with the apple pie! :D

superstein61
August 8th, 2004, 11:17 PM
superstein: Which night was the Dutch Disaster/BBQ on the Zuiderdam last week?
It was on the night we were in Tortola I believe - which would make it on Tuesday

superstein61
August 8th, 2004, 11:20 PM
I agree 100%. Being served a wonderful meal in a beautiful setting is one of the reasons we enjoy cruising. I wait in enough lines already at home.
I am not a fan of waiting in lines - I prefer sitting in the main dining room (hence my posts about not being shunned to the Lido in the dress code debates) - but there truly was a minimal line for the barbecue and plenty of seating.

gizmo
August 9th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Better than that, go up to the Lido for a casual dinner! The night they were BBQing in Alaska, there was also a casual dinner offered in the Lido. The Casual dinner offered steak, chicken and then some of the entrees from the dining room.:cool:
It sounds like things have changed. On the night I attended the BBQ there was a sign up in the Lido saying the buffet was for officers only and not open to pax.

Krazy Kruizers
August 9th, 2004, 08:34 AM
:)

On nearly every cruise I can think of, the Lido was never open on BBQ nights. It was set up for only the officers.

Also, on the Alaskan cruises that we have been on, we never had a BBQ. Instead there was a salmon bake held at lunch time - and the main dining room wasn't open that day. The same thing with our Canada/New England cruise - no BBQ - just a lunch time salmon bake.

:)

peaches from georgia
August 9th, 2004, 08:49 AM
We also just had the lunchtime salmon bake on the Maasdam Canada/NEng and no dinner BBQ any night. We've been to one Dutch night on the Rotterdam, but since then always make Dutch night a Dinner at the Pinnacle night.

Krazy Kruizers
August 9th, 2004, 08:54 AM
:) peaches from georgia

Husband has always loved the pea soup - he agrees with you - with the way the dinner menu has gone down hill on Dutch night, we will be heading to the Pinnacle that night as well.

:)

saltydog28
August 9th, 2004, 09:45 AM
If you are on a 14 day cruise, are there two Dutch nights?
Pat.

sail7seas
August 9th, 2004, 10:08 AM
We had the salmon bake at lunchtime on our Canada/New England cruise. The salmon was delicious and we really enjoyed it.


We are not very careful about reading the daily program as we are more "do it ourselves types" and we usually just scan it to see if something catches our eye. We did not notice they had the salmon bake scheduled and it was just a coincidence we happened to walk through Lido Pool and see/smell it. I would have been disappointed if we missed it and heard about it later.

If they do not tweak the Dutch Night Menu and give it a little more interest than it currently has after all the deletions, we shall be absent from the dining room in the future on Dutch Night.

Krazy Kruizers
August 9th, 2004, 12:45 PM
:)

No there are not 2 Dutch nights on a 14 day cruise.

We have been on 21 day cruises and there was only 1 Dutch night.

:)

Krazy Kruizers
August 9th, 2004, 12:47 PM
:)

Yikes - just figured out - not too many of us want to do BBQ, dining room menu on Dutch Night is going down hill, and now some of us are talking about going to the Pinnacle Grill that night.

Wonder if the Pinnacle Grill can handle that many extra people???

:D

bepsf
August 9th, 2004, 12:58 PM
I agree w/ S7S - nothing was more annoying than standing in line to get a questionable steak and side dishes that are no better than the salads you might find at the safeway deli counter - then having to scope out a table in the overcrowded Lido. Nothing in the daily program about it being Dutch night either - it was the BBQ that was advertised. Maybe this is how HAL is attempting to appeal to younger cruisers? Blech...

sail7seas
August 9th, 2004, 01:04 PM
The deck barbeques are not new. They have been offering them for some time now. Maybe they are trying to get more of us to come to them? I don't know if that is their reason for destroying the Dutch Night Menu. Perhaps If it is true that there are fewer dining stewards, they need to have more in one place.....the barbeque. They are hoping to empty out the dining room as much as possible so they can send the stewards to Lido to assist with the barbeque?? I don't know if that is the case but think it may be a factor.

sail7seas
August 9th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Good point, KK........There will be a mad dash to get bookings at Pinnacle:)


He/she who finds out first when Dutch Night is gets the reservation!!! :)

elmorejj
August 9th, 2004, 01:20 PM
That`s about right. I know you can book ahead for first night in the Pinnacle but can you book ahead for other nights? My luck, they`ll change the night they have the BBQ and Dutch night!!!....jean :mad:

sail7seas
August 9th, 2004, 01:35 PM
You can pre-book for any night but they can and sometimes do change around the order of different menus.


On a seven day cruise, by process of elimination, you can eliminate four nights. That leaves three nights that could be "the night". :)

We know it won't be the first or last night and we know it will not be either of the formal nights. That leaves two casual and one informal. It has to be on casual night if it is the night of the barbeque....so we are down to two nights. The moment you board, look at your daily program. It will give dress for the week.

Dutch Night (Barbeque Night) will be a night the ship is late in port if there is such a night on your cruise. It will be a casual night......go to Pinnacle or (Neptune Lounge if applicable) and make your reservation. ;)

On a ten day or longer cruise.....the only way is to ask and hope that you are given the correct answer.

Lovebirds
August 9th, 2004, 01:40 PM
It sounds like things have changed. On the night I attended the BBQ there was a sign up in the Lido saying the buffet was for officers only and not open to pax.
Hmmmm.... The officers won't eat the dutch night offerings or the barbecue? Pinnacle Grill here we come!

sail7seas
August 9th, 2004, 01:51 PM
:) Unless Officers are joining passengers at a table in the dining room, most do not come to the dining room. Sometimes if their wife/husband/family is aboard (depending upon their rank) they may dine with their family.

mattR
August 9th, 2004, 09:32 PM
Dutch night is why the on deck barbecue was created !!!!

Please - do yourself a favor and enjoy the on deck barbecue - nothing could be better that grilled steak, ribs, fish all freshly grilled over hot coals in front of you.

the steak was absolutely delicious -

and if old MATT is out there wondering about getting more than one steak in the Pinnacle Grill, while I can't answer that, I will say that MATT, you can get as many steaks as you want at the on deck barbecue.


Hey I'm not that old:) Unlimitied BBQ YUM YUM:)

Lovebirds
August 9th, 2004, 09:44 PM
:) Unless Officers are joining passengers at a table in the dining room, most do not come to the dining room. Sometimes if their wife/husband/family is aboard (depending upon their rank) they may dine with their family.
The most enjoyable dinners on the RCCL Rhapsody of the Seas were the two nights that the ships engineer joined us for dinner. Besides being a very pleasant person to talk with and find out about the inner workings and problems with the ship (it was the inaugural season with the usual and some unusual problems), he bought all of the drinks for the table. There were always some officers in the dining room for late seating. I guess it varies by line though.

superstein61
August 9th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Hey I'm not that old:) Unlimitied BBQ YUM YUM:)
Sorry Matt ;) But yes, unlimited BBQ. And the steaks were really quite good - I had 3 of them !!! Be sure to tell them if you like it done a special way (ie rare or medium well) and they will accomodate you. Go and enjoy

RevNeal
August 10th, 2004, 01:15 AM
On Dutch night I will, generally, eat in at the BBQ ... then also go and partake of the Dutch fare, tasting mostly. :) No matter what, I don't go hungry!!!!!!! Not for any day of the cruise.

cruise pup
August 30th, 2004, 01:33 PM
So whatever happened to the millions of dollars HAL was supposed to invest to upgrade the product? If the dover sole is gone they're obviously going the other way.

Nasmas
August 30th, 2004, 01:39 PM
Hi...so many different opinions about the food:confused:

quote by jazzsea

"lately on Holland America we look forward to dinner on shore, if possible".:(

Oh my goodness......that really tells me you do not like any of the food, if you prefer to eat in port.
I am not judging you, I promise....so, you are happy with everything else on the ship? Or, are you not sailing HAL anymore? I am not trying to be sarcastic....you statement just threw me.....\

Lois, don't worry about the food. I know its a matter of opinion but the 6 cruises we've done on HAL, the food was great. I really don't remember what I had at Dutch night last year on the Volendam, but I certainly would have remembered if it had been awful, but I do remember the chocolate tulip, and it was great. I, too agree that anything in the dining room would beat a bar-b-que in the Lido.

sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 01:48 PM
We used to enjoy Dutch Night on all the ships but not as much now. They eliminated three of our favorite dishes. What is left is a meager shadow of its former self IMO

I think they eliminated the Dover Sole because there seem to be fewer dining stewards. It took them time to de-bone the sole and if there are fewer stewards, they do not have the time to do it.

IMO Nasi Goreng (rice) is not nearly as tasty as Bami Goreng.


DH used to like Hollandse Biefstuk Met Champignons and that is also off the menu.

If the menu is going to remain as iit now is for Dutch Night, I sadly think it preferable to discontinue having it if they cannot (will no longer) do it right. IMO The menu is NOT good now.

As always, JMHO.....

Krazy Kruizers
August 30th, 2004, 01:55 PM
The menu certainly does sound like it has gone downhill even more so since we were on the Maasdam in May.

Husband has said that we may just go the Pinnacle that evening.

BBQ is definitely out.

sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 01:56 PM
The only place we'll have the barbeque is HMC....there I enjoy it. In my swim suit, sitting a picnic table, beautiful views......

But not for dinner on deck.

ASM
August 30th, 2004, 02:09 PM
I'll miss the Dover sole. I also won't do the barbecue on deck. I don't even care for it on HMC. I've been spoiled by a DH who really knows how it should be done.:)

anngie
August 30th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Different strokes for different folks. We loved the bar-b-que on the Zuiderdam and the Oosterdam. Our son and wife did too. The food was very good and the dessert table was a real treat. We had no problem finding a table and the line was not that long if you waited a little while after it began.
I would be disappointed if the Westerdam does not have a bar-b-que night.
I hope it will be on the Cozumel night when we are in port til 11pm.

elmorejj
August 30th, 2004, 03:46 PM
Can anyone who has cruised in the past few weeks give us some insight into what exactly is on the menu for Dutch night? All the "good" stuff was still on during our 21 day cruise in Ap/May, maybe just because it was a longer cruise. I despise the BBQ on the lido, and don`t really want room service, if there is a nice piece of fish from the grill part of the menu, I`d settle for that.....jean :cool:

jame
August 30th, 2004, 06:34 PM
The Bambi Goring was sooooo good! What is the difference between the Nasi and Bambi Goring?

paultxrn
August 30th, 2004, 06:36 PM
I thought the pork chop was delicious.


Herring has not been offered on Dutch night for a number of cruises as an appetizer. Just another item HAL has given up.

On our Dutch night there was Dutch Beef Pot Roast, Nasi Goreng, Groemten Kroetten (?) , duck breast with ornage sauce, pork chop with spiced apple chutney, and halibut medallion.

We have made a comment before about how the choices have diminished over the last few years. And we wondered if it was because so few people were attending the BBQ which is usually held the same night. Is HAL trying to get more people to attend the BBQ?



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sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 07:01 PM
Primary (but not only) difference: Nasi Goreng is Rice; Bami Goreng is Noodles.

elmorejj
August 30th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Goreng means fried. I love Bami served any way but especially Fried....jean :cool: