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clopaw
August 12th, 2004, 11:42 AM
I, and I am sure other, are interesting in learning how you "once, sort of" took a Carnival cruise. :)

jhannah
August 12th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Yes, yes! Inquiring minds want to know! You have teased us with your trailer (as in movie trailer ... preview) and it has whet our appetites for the real scoop. You've said it's a long story. Obviously we're not too pressed for time here! ;) So tell us ... tell us ... pretty please!

Orcrone
August 12th, 2004, 11:54 AM
I'm with Clopaw and Jim. I was thinking of posting last week about filling us in on your Carnival cruise.

Krazy Kruizers
August 12th, 2004, 12:35 PM
:) sail7seas

We all have the time to read.

And you have all afternoon (and all evening for that matter) to write your story.

;)

elmorejj
August 12th, 2004, 04:01 PM
This enquiring mind is also interested....come on now, spill the beans..jean :cool:

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 04:27 PM
I just wrote a 13,000 character post telling the story....I got a notice that my message was too long to shorten it. When I tried to access it to shorten it, it disappeared. If I do not find it again.......grrrrrrr

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 04:30 PM
It is lost and I do not have the patience to rewrite it.

ekerr19
August 12th, 2004, 04:53 PM
I won the bet I made with myself :) , which was that I didn't think we'd get to hear the story - though I'd like to. It sounds so intriguing...

I think Sail is going to keep us all in suspense! At least a bit longer ;)

jhannah
August 12th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Next time you have the inclination, do in in Word or some other word processor. Save it, then copy and paste as needed. That way if it gets dumped on CC you'll not have to compose it again.

13,000 words??? Now you've really got us going! Must be some story. Somehow I feel like the kids who waited for days for the next Harry Potter book to come out! ;) I've been camped here waiting for it to appear. Now, I'll just have to go home, shower, and come back later.

ekerr19
August 12th, 2004, 05:03 PM
It is lost and I do not have the patience to rewrite it.

This actually happened to me too when I was writing a review of the Maasdam. It was all lost, grrr - very frustrating indeed.

Next time I will take Jim's advice and type it in Word, then cut & paste. Thanks Jim, why I didn't think of it sooner escapes me.

bookworm0911
August 12th, 2004, 05:07 PM
If there really is such a thing as a 'sort of' Carnival cruise I'm sure there is also a 100 word or less abridged version of just the highlights of the story. I doubt anyone was asking you to write 13,000??? words and everyone seems interested.

DFD1
August 12th, 2004, 05:35 PM
13,000 CHARACTERS. but that's still a lot of words. I've had my ups and downs with Carnival too, but I don't think it was THAT bad! Maybe someday we will hear.

Orcrone
August 12th, 2004, 05:48 PM
Hi always highlight what I'm typing if it's long, and hit CTRL-C to copy it to the clipboard before submitting the post. (However, this one is long enough to bother).:)

RichardK
August 12th, 2004, 06:22 PM
I just wrote a 13,000 character post telling the story....I got a notice that my message was too long to shorten it. When I tried to access it to shorten it, it disappeared. If I do not find it again.......grrrrrrr

Come on -- give us the truth. NOBODY has that much time on their hands (13,000 characters) or should, or even want to???? What other "productive" things do you do for a living?? Come on, fess up............???

RevNeal
August 12th, 2004, 07:01 PM
2600 words ... about 110 lines of text given the formatting here.
That's extensive, but not out of line for some reviews. :)

S7S ... try drafting it offline in a WP and then copy-pasting it to the board. And, while you're at it, try to focus in on the specifics and leave out those things that are extraneous.

jhannah
August 12th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Duh! Sorry. S7S wrote CHARACTERS and my brain saw words. I need this cruise to get here!!

gizmo
August 12th, 2004, 07:42 PM
It sounds like that was one long Tale. I think a condensed version would satisfy the folks that are interested.

bookworm0911
August 12th, 2004, 07:47 PM
2600 words ... about 110 lines of text given the formatting here.
That's extensive, but not out of line for some reviews. :)
Rev Neal- I agree. That doesn't sound as long as some reviews that have been posted. This has my interest up now. I don't want to cruise, write a review, and have this happen to me because I got too wordy. ;)

Sail, did a notice actually come on your screen when you tried to submit and say you had 13,000 odd characters and that was too many? Otherwise how do you possibly know how many characters you had?

Has anyone else ever posted and been told it was too long and how many characters are allowed?

MODERATORS: How much is too much? How long exactly is too long? Can anybody here find out?

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 08:20 PM
If there really is such a thing as a 'sort of' Carnival cruise I'm sure there is also a 100 word or less abridged version of just the highlights of the story. I doubt anyone was asking you to write 13,000??? words and everyone seems interested.
Well, Bookworm....You want the short version. Sure....

We booked a cruise. We boarded. It didn't sail.

Pretty boring, huh? Well, the 13,000 character version was alot more interesting. :)

As I mentioned, I posted the story about 3 months ago on the old Board. I have no clue what thread it was a part of.

Write it in "Word"? Sorry....I don't use this computer for anything but e-mail, internet research and BB's. I have no clue how to access, use "Word".


Gizmo....I made it as brief as possible. :) per your request.
We booked a cruise. We boarded. It didn't sail.




The grass is green; sky is blue. :)

lknick
August 12th, 2004, 08:24 PM
If you can post a message, you can use MS Word. They're almost the same except Word has a spell checker.

Most computers come with some version of MS Office, which contains Word.

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 08:35 PM
I am quite sure my very nice laptop has a wonderful version of MS Word.


Hope the next owner enjoys using it.

Thankfully, I have no real need to become any more computer literate than the extremely low level of competentcy I now possess. :)

Email; web research and surfing; Bulletin Boards.........that's it!!!



If you can post a message, you can use MS Word. They're almost the same except Word has a spell checker.

Most computers come with some version of MS Office, which contains Word.

HeatherInFlorida
August 12th, 2004, 08:41 PM
I am quite sure my very nice laptop has a wonderful version of MS Word.


Hope the next owner enjoys using it.
:D LOL, Sail ... God, you're funny. My funnybone is still twittering. Hehehehe.

Vicar
August 12th, 2004, 08:57 PM
I have to admit I was curious about S7S's near Carnival cruise, but didn't want to press it *LOL*

pollux
August 12th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Sails, I can relate to almost.
In the good old days, when one could board a plane or not and take the next one I had that sort off expierence.
I was to leave N.Y to Europe had my boarding pass and did not board. I felt sort off funny.
There was a other plane couple hours later.
And sure the first plane came back shortly after take off with fire in the engine.
Was your sort off like that?

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 08:59 PM
Come on -- give us the truth. NOBODY has that much time on their hands (13,000 characters) or should, or even want to???? What other "productive" things do you do for a living?? Come on, fess up............???


:D Sorry, Richard. I just saw your message and did not want you to feel I did not respond to your question.

What I do for a living is "take care of my home and husband". I used to work outside my home but I no longer do and have not for some time. Can't say I'm exactly retired as I'm still too young to claim that and DH is still very active in his profession.

What else I do with my time??? Hmmm....book cruises and cruise??!!!

Not a bad job if you can get it. :)

Cruiseoften
August 12th, 2004, 09:04 PM
Excuse me, this 'almost on Carnival' thread seems to have come out of the blue or maybe it's cyberspace. I'm :confused:

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 09:14 PM
Sails, I can relate to almost.
In the good old days, when one could board a plane or not and take the next one I had that sort off expierence.
I was to leave N.Y to Europe had my boarding pass and did not board. I felt sort off funny.
There was a other plane couple hours later.
And sure the first plane came back shortly after take off with fire in the engine.
Was your sort off like that?
Whoa, Pollux. That sure draws one up short. You "had a feeling". That does make one stop and think a moment, doesn't it.

It wasn't exactly like that on Destiny. They had severe engine problems they were not being honest about. The ship never sailed. They cancelled the cruise many hours after we all had boarded. In fact, the next day.

localady
August 12th, 2004, 09:29 PM
Hey I am with you S7S, wonderful way to live!!:)

I have been on the CC board more lately because our weather out here has been very hot and I am on summer break from college. My argument was that it was less expensive to be on the CC board then shopping. But now that Carol has told us about the 2006 Statendam NZ/Australia cruises, sticking around the board might get a little more expensive!!!! But boy is it fun, can't think of a better hobby!!!!:cool:

Orcrone
August 12th, 2004, 10:36 PM
We booked a cruise. We boarded. It didn't sail.








Well I don't know about the rest of you, but that one sure kept me riveted to my seat.:D ;)

sail7seas
August 12th, 2004, 10:42 PM
:D :) :cool: I tried hard to honor some posters' requests for brevity. ;) I could not quite manage to condense it any more than that. Sure did an amazing job of going from 13,000 characters to under ten words. ;)

Orcrone
August 12th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I bet you had some rather brief words for your computer when the 13,000 words disappeared.:D I'd still love to hear the unabridged version, but I know that you have to be in the mood to type out a story that long.:)

jhannah
August 12th, 2004, 10:52 PM
What else I do with my time??? Hmmm....book cruises and cruise??!!!

Not a bad job if you can get it. :)I'll "AMEN" that!

DFD1
August 12th, 2004, 11:02 PM
S7S, you have us rivited to our seats. You'll get no rest until we know the story!....I have to ask, Did they keep you on board all night before they told you that the ship would/could not sail?

JoeCruisin
August 12th, 2004, 11:11 PM
No need to justify what you do for a living S7S. I wish I could live like that. I personally think you and a few others do a great job keeping this board as active as it is. I have appreciated all of the valuable information you have provided in your many insightful postings. This is one of the most active and helpful boards I have ever seen and its people like you that make it that way. I'm still hoping we eventually get to hear the whole story, even if it takes multiple postings to put out there.

jazzsea
August 13th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Just curious, did you ever go back and try Carnival again? It would seem after experiencing the ship and cabin you might never go back for "seconds".

clopaw
August 13th, 2004, 08:01 AM
Hey, I started this thread, and I am sincerely interested in the story! Geez, people, if you don't want to read the long version, don't read it. How simple is that? I like S7S's writing style, and I bet the long version would have been fascinating. Now you've spoiled it for the rest of us.

S7S, my apologizes for getting you involved with people who attacked you for trying to respond to my question.

jazzsea
August 13th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Regardless of what others may think, many of us would like to know what happened on this ship and how you were treated up to during and after you were told to leave the ship.

In 25 years of cruising I have never had this experience and am really interested in how well (or not so well) you were treated.

I'm sorry I did not see your original post.

You have a wonderful, insightful writing style and most of us really enjoy your posts. I thank you for taking the time to keep this board interesting.

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 09:30 AM
I bet you had some rather brief words for your computer when the 13,000 words disappeared.:D I'd still love to hear the unabridged version, but I know that you have to be in the mood to type out a story that long.:)
:mad: :mad: Oh......that is the understatement of the Decade!!!

Most times, most people would describe me as "ladylike" in most situations!! Glad I was alone in the house when I told this %$( #@ computer what I thought of it at that given moment.

Orcrone
August 13th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Sail, did a notice actually come on your screen when you tried to submit and say you had 13,000 odd characters and that was too many? Otherwise how do you possibly know how many characters you had?wwinfl91 wrote a review a while ago and had to break it into two seperate posts. He said that there was a 10,000 character limit per post. Here is the link to that post http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=44906&highlight=10000

S7S, ironically you had the first reply to the post stating that there is a 10,000 character limit.

HeatherInFlorida
August 13th, 2004, 09:49 AM
Sail, you continue to be a woman after my own heart :). A couple of times I have been typing a long, involved email or thread post and suddenly AOL pops up with "sorry, your connection has been lost". And Piffffff! everything disappears. No reason.

If you could only see me screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" into an empty room. All alone in the house. And of course it's always the most brilliant writing I have ever done;) . My little Molly, always by my side, jumps 10 feet into the air and the fun begins.

So I know the feeling.:eek:

peaches from georgia
August 13th, 2004, 09:54 AM
I don't see where anyone said they didn't want the story posted. The only suggestion made by several posters after the original posting got lost was that everyone would appreciate a shorter version, or at least something of the story, rather than no story at all, which is what it seemed was happening. (And I do understand why no one would want to write a 13,000 character post twice.)

I don't see why anyone who has posted on this thread is being given such grief this morning. Some just asked for a concise version of what happened on Carnival in lieu of a longer version that Sail did not choose to write again now. How was that negative? The criticism is unfair, IMO.

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 10:12 AM
Thank you, Jazzsea, for your nice words. I appreciate them.

Despite the few who rarely have a nice thing to say to me (or to some others for that matter), I will write the story again today. I am sure that at this point no matter how interesting it may once have been, of course, it has now lost much of that interest. Sort of who cares......But that is the goal of folks who dump on everything someone else to say. What a negative, wasteful way to idle their life away.

RevNeal
August 13th, 2004, 10:55 AM
Of course, to have an opinion about how concise or verbose a written piece may have been if you have never read it, is a very good trick. How clever to know in advance it was too "wordy".

Sail ... the concern which I, and I believe some others, expressed had very LITTLE, if ANYTHING, to do with "wordiness." In fact, as I said earlier, 13,000 characters really is not that long for a review. My encouragement to you in saying that you might try again, but a little more concisely, was expressed due to a sincere desire to read the story yet balanced with a concern for your frustration at having had that much text wiped out by a quirk of the board.

I'm sorry if you've been irked by what you've read here ... my suspicion is that most didn't intend to express any deprecation for you or your story; most only wanted to read the the story, and were trying to encourage you to go ahead and give us a "cliff-notes" version so we could find out what the heck happened. Your one sentence response only served to heighten our (my) curiosity.

I continue to look forward to reading your story, however long it needs to be. Just remember to try and save your response first, because it's not easy to know how long your writing is. How do you do that? Select and copy the entire text, then open scratch pad or some other word processing program that there may be on your computer and paste it there in an open blank file.

Vicar
August 13th, 2004, 10:56 AM
S7S

i for one would love to hear your story, long or short version. I know it will be very interesting.

I think what the poster meant was we wanted to hear the story wether it was the whole 13,000 word version or an abridged one. But I do know what you mean about the few negative ones. That is sad

I also enjoy your posts very much and I am sure there is quite a tale behind this one.:)

I'll be looking forward to whatever version you post later.

Actually the thought of you cursing the computer is a pretty good image in itself *LOL*

Vicar
August 13th, 2004, 11:03 AM
S7S,

The Rev said it much better than I did.

Knowing that you didn't want to re write the whole original story, we would be happy with a brief recap just to hear the story.

13,000 words isn't all that much reading, but if you are not in the mind to do it , it sure is a hell of a lot of typing, so i see what you mean about not wanting to do it all over.

dakrewser
August 13th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Actually, Gizmo........they may take it that way if they wish. I interrupted your tone to be such that you thought the story not worth being posted.
What tone? You said: It is lost and I do not have the patience to rewrite it.

To which Gizmo responded: "I think a condensed version would satisfy the folks that are interested."

In other words, since you weren't willing to re-type the long version why not satidfy a number of folks curiosity with an abridged version.

You then got huffy for some reason, but I don't see that Gizmo did anything except offer a possible solution to keep everyone (those who wanted to know the story as well as you not wanting to re-type the long form) happy.

Take a breathe or two, have a glass of bubbly, think about your next cruise and let's get back to having fun, OK? :)

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 12:12 PM
How do you do that? Select and copy the entire text, then open scratch pad or some other word processing program that there may be on your computer and paste it there in an open blank file.

__________________
Greg+




Thank you for your nice comments, Greg and Vicar.

I know you were trying to help, Greg.....but Select and copy....blank file....scratch pad!!!

Yah...sure

I guess you missed my sad admission to knowing absolutely nothing about my wonderful laptop than e-mail, surfing and researching on the web and the Bulletin Boards. (Saddest thing of all is I like it that way....:) ) Thankfully, I do not need to know more for work so my computer is simply a toy for me.

Krazy Kruizers
August 13th, 2004, 12:22 PM
:) sail7seas

Somewhere along the line I missed your story about the Carnival cruise (or almost) and I have been a member for over 3 years. Maybe you posted it when we were cruising. I would still love to read it.

I truely hope that you don't wait for some of us to be cruising before you rewrite the story.

;)

RevNeal
August 13th, 2004, 12:25 PM
I guess you missed my sad admission to knowing absolutely nothing about my wonderful laptop than e-mail, surfing and researching on the web and the Bulletin Boards.

I think I did ... skimming and all. However ... if you know how to write emails, then you know how to write the article safely.

Write it in an email to yourself. Then, when it's done, copy and paste it -- in pieces, if needed -- onto the board. I KNOW you know how to copy-paste. :)

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 12:33 PM
KK....I most assuredly was not referring to you and I hope you know that. If not, I tell you now.....my reference to such had absolutely nothing to do with you or your DH.

There are those who look for every opportunity for negativity and putdowns. Sad....pity. I would indeed wish to spare them being bothered with any story I have to tell. You would think folks would suffer enough ill health, bad luck, sad occurences to reach a certain age and learn what is important .....a smile and pleasant word is so much lighter on the heart and mind. Negativity and nastiness eat at our health in time. That sort of mind frame is unpleasant to be around. IMO The denial of it takes such effort. The smile and pleasant demeanor is effortless.

localady
August 13th, 2004, 12:36 PM
:D A smile always burns more calories too!! Thanks S7S for helping me burn them:):D :cool:

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 12:47 PM
:D A smile always burns more calories too!! Thanks S7S for helping me burn them:):D :cool:


I very much thank you, Localady. :)

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 12:49 PM
By George, Greg .......That is positively brilliant. You taught me something new about computer use "in spite of myself". Try as I will to refuse to learn, someone like you comes along and teaches me a useful lesson.


Thank you. :)

Orcrone
August 13th, 2004, 12:52 PM
By George, Greg .......That is positively brilliant. You taught me something new about computer use "in spite of myself". Try as I will to refuse to learn, someone like you comes along and teaches me a useful lesson.


Thank you. :)

Be careful. You may yet become a computer weenie.:D

localady
August 13th, 2004, 12:55 PM
Sorry Orcrone, I don't see S7S every being any kind of "weenie":eek: ....hehehe:cool:

P.S. Burning calories as we speak:p

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 01:00 PM
http://domania.us/DaveEdwards/SmileySailor.gif

RevNeal
August 13th, 2004, 01:05 PM
I agree, sail7seas couldn't possibly be a "weenie." How about a frankfurter? :D ;)

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 01:08 PM
Just so long as you make it a Veggie Frank.....:) Or better yet a Soy Frank.


That would be okay with me. ;) Remember my dissertations re: South Beach? Franks are a No-no....even all beef ones. :(

Krazy Kruizers
August 13th, 2004, 01:09 PM
:)

I know that I have made lots of spelling errors and typos (revneal pointed one out in a thread of mine a while back).

It just make me feel like I am human.

:) ;)

RevNeal
August 13th, 2004, 01:12 PM
I know that I have made lots of spelling errors and typos (revneal pointed one out in a thread of mine a while back).

I don't even remember that. :)
Typos and spelling errors are unimportant so long as one's meaning can be conveyed. That's all that matters.

Host Walt
August 13th, 2004, 01:52 PM
Rev Neal- I agree. That doesn't sound as long as some reviews that have been posted. This has my interest up now. I don't want to cruise, write a review, and have this happen to me because I got too wordy. ;)

Sail, did a notice actually come on your screen when you tried to submit and say you had 13,000 odd characters and that was too many? Otherwise how do you possibly know how many characters you had?

Has anyone else ever posted and been told it was too long and how many characters are allowed?

MODERATORS: How much is too much? How long exactly is too long? Can anybody here find out?Too long? I've seen reviews that had as many as 12 parts, each of which approached the maximum size on our old InfoPop boards.

The maximum capacity for a single post is 10,000 BYTES. (That means everything is counted including spaces, punctuation and hidden formatting characters.)

Having been bit myself by "computer problems" (known as PEBKAC's in the trade), if I expect to post a large and/or difficult post, I'll use Word. The alternative is to post the effort periodically then use the edit feature to continue. That way you'll save parts if you have a PEBKAC.

However, my suggestion is to limit a given post to 4,000 or fewer bytes. If you need more space, do a Part 2 and a Part 3. Extremely long posts are very difficult to read and are frequently ignored; a lousy fate for a well written item.

By the way, what's a PEBKAC you ask? Click here: PEBKAC (http://pebkac.net/)

gizmo
August 13th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Walt,

I am very familiar with PEBKAC.

That was a funny picture. We have a similar one in QA dept. but this one is better. :D

Thanks for that link.

sail7seas
August 13th, 2004, 03:54 PM
Thank you for the explanation, Walt. In the future, I most assuredly will keep that in mind.

lougee1043
August 13th, 2004, 04:17 PM
sail and all the others from the hal board

sure is good seeing some familiar names on this board ---i jumped ship from hal and will be sailing on the galaxy in march so i have been spending my time here-
hope everyone is well and cruising

trubey
August 13th, 2004, 04:26 PM
Those are wonderful stories. Thanks for the link. susan.

peaches from georgia
August 13th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Well, hi lougee. Nice to see your name again. We have no idea why Walt moved this to the Celebrity board. It was supposed to be a story about Carnival posted on HAL, but somehow ended up here. Got too hot for HAL. :p

HeatherInFlorida
August 13th, 2004, 05:12 PM
This thread has had posts edited out of it which I completely understand, but I have to say I am hurt that one of my posts was removed and I have no idea why because it was a totally positive post. And how come the thread jumped from the HAL board to the Celebrity board? Is there a gremlin somewhere? Hmmmmmm.

Editing because no sooner I posted than it seems to be back on HAL board. I'd better fix dinner and forget all this:D

Host Walt
August 13th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Well, hi lougee. Nice to see your name again. We have no idea why Walt moved this to the Celebrity board. It was supposed to be a story about Carnival posted on HAL, but somehow ended up here. Got too hot for HAL. :p
(I was just demonstrating a PEBKAC. See post #61 above. Sorry about that.)

localady
August 13th, 2004, 05:41 PM
Just so long as you make it a Veggie Frank.....:) Or better yet a Soy Frank.


That would be okay with me. ;) Remember my dissertations re: South Beach? Franks are a No-no....even all beef ones. :(



S7S- Chicken franks sound a whole lot better!!!!!:p

tuggers
August 13th, 2004, 05:52 PM
This didn't last long here!

peaches from georgia
August 13th, 2004, 06:01 PM
You're more than welcome to have it back, tuggers. :D

Krazy Kruizers
August 13th, 2004, 06:34 PM
:)

Glad to see this post is back where it started.

Now - let's all talk positive.

I like happy posts - getting too old for negative thoughts.

;)

olderpilot
August 13th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Well I missed the whole thing, since over the last 36 hours both of our daughters have had babies and we've been a little busy. So as now I'm ready for "the rest of the story"!

iluvcruzin
August 13th, 2004, 10:18 PM
Be careful. You may yet become a computer weenie.:D
Is that like a HAL-O-WEENIE??? :D

Orcrone
August 13th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Is that like a HAL-O-WEENIE??? :DHAL-O-WEENIEs don't have to know diddly about computers. They just need to join us!!! So hop on board.:) (Shameless plug for our cruise).

Orcrone
August 13th, 2004, 10:26 PM
:)

Glad to see this post is back where it started.

Now - let's all talk positive.

I like happy posts - getting too old for negative thoughts.

;)And negative thoughts get you old quicker.:)

Cruiseoften
August 13th, 2004, 10:59 PM
Hey, I started this thread, and I am sincerely interested in the story! Geez, people, if you don't want to read the long version, don't read it. How simple is that? I like S7S's writing style, and I bet the long version would have been fascinating. Now you've spoiled it for the rest of us.

S7S, my apologizes for getting you involved with people who attacked you for trying to respond to my question.


clopaw, :) I asked (I think) a legitimate question – you started a thread with no indication as to where your question came from and I was/still am confused! …….."Excuse me, this 'almost on Carnival' thread seems to have come out of the blue or maybe it's cyberspace. I'm confused".

I see no attack on anyone in that statement and certainly nothing to imply that I am disinterested…….point of fact, I'm very curious! It's hard to envision a seasoned cruiser on the wrong cruise!

Orcrone
August 13th, 2004, 11:12 PM
Cruiseoften - In a previous thread Sail7Seas had commented about the cruise lines she's sailed, "Carnival once....sort of, but that is a long story."

That's what prompted the calls for the story.

Host Walt
August 14th, 2004, 01:50 AM
Well I missed the whole thing, since over the last 36 hours both of our daughters have had babies and we've been a little busy. So as now I'm ready for "the rest of the story"!
That's great! And what timing! CONGRATULATIONS!

ekerr19
August 14th, 2004, 02:09 AM
:)

Glad to see this post is back where it started.

Now - let's all talk positive.

I like happy posts - getting too old for negative thoughts.

;)KK: thanks so much for directing this back where it should be... :)

Also - did anyone ever get the story? Thought it was to be posted :(

Read the whole thread, there's nothing....

sail7seas
August 14th, 2004, 12:18 PM
We had never considered cruising Carnival as we did not think it would be a "good fit" for us. Very dear friends of ours have a tight budget and have very much wanted to cruise. They heard about the then brand new Carnival Destiny coming to Boston to do some 4-5 day cruises and very much wanted us to book and cruise with them. We live near Boston so no air fare and the short cruises were reasonable (by comparison) prices. We resisted; they kept asking; we agreed.

We had four "real cruises" booked on HAL and this would be a nice getaway with good friends.

Cruise day arrived. Our TA called and told us to not hurry into Boston as the ship would be late arriving. Our documents said boarding at 7 P.M. That was already a late hour but...whatever.

We went to Boston;, had a nice dinner and made our way to the dock. No ship. We checked in and asked the same questions everyone else asked. No responses. We saw the check in people moving their mouths and a sound was coming out but it was clear they were not going to honestly answer our questions and they mumbled some gibberish.

Not enough seats for people. No food. No water. Restrooms backed up and were unusable and still no info. It is now 11 P.M. We are getting disgusted with the lack of info and the way we are being treated.

Midnight ...no Ship. 2 A.M.....no ship. Finally, after 3 A.M. the ship arrived. Embarkation was pushing and shoving and no order or direction by Carnival employees.

We get to our Suite. DH goes to sleep. I wait for suitcase to arrive.
It came about 4 A.M.

We got a little sleep and awoke to find the ship had not moved during the night. Met our friends for breakfast. Observed there were no Officers or Cruise Staff persons in sight. Only stewards/chefs/servers.

Finally about 11 A.M. a loudspeaker announcement the ship would sail late. No kidding!! Anyone who wished to leave now would get a full refund. Many folks left. We wanted to. Our friends had very sad faces and asked us to please wait it out as the announcement said we would sail about 4 P.M. Okay, we'll stay.

We walk around the ship and then go to a lounge. Have a drink or two and hopefully will enjoy sailaway.

We order another round and are told the bar is closed. Public announcement now comes on and says cruise cancelled. They would have given free drinks to everyone but Massachusetts won't allow. Ya....sure!!!

They say to stay aboard and they will serve formal night dinner. Stay overnight and have breakfast and then leave. Full refund for everyone and some small shipboard credit. What use is that? The stores are closed and the BARS ARE ONLY OPEN FOR SOFT DRINIKS.

We are ready to leave. Friends are really unhappy and ask us to at least have dinner and then we'll leave.

We have still not seen any Officer. Never heard from a Captain. Did we have one aboard?

We go down for early dinner. We had been assigned late. At least 70% of the passengers have left the ship. The dining room is almost empty.
Maitre d' cops an attitude and tells us we are not having dinner....we are assigned to late and this was early sitting. He is clearly looking for a tip!!! Is he out of his mind???

My DH said nothing but got "in his face" with an expression that clearly said, We will be seated and we will be seated NOW!!! Any questions?

This jerk takes us to the table immediately beside the bandstand where the band is playing music so inappropriately loud for a dining room. Obviously, when there is an empty dining room, this A%^$#*@ thinks he is going to "make a point" (that being we have not yet tipped him).
This time I gave him the "are you out of your mind" look and he quickly reconsidered and decided to find us another table.

End of Part I

HeatherInFlorida
August 14th, 2004, 12:28 PM
:eek: AWKKK!!! Can't wait for Part II!!! What a nightmare! Horror story! I would have been, well, I'd better not say;) . Sail, you never disappoint!

RevNeal
August 14th, 2004, 12:33 PM
All I can say is "wow."
No ... I can say more.
This is just awful.
I feel very sorry for that couple that wanted to cruise but were on a tight budget. Given some of the very reasonable prices lately, I hope and pray they've had a chance.

sail7seas
August 14th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Part II



Outside the dining room, we had seen the Photographers snapping formal portraits. These were of a very senior couple dressed in her gown and his tuxedo. This was to have been their 50th Anniversary Celebration cruise with their family. She had clearly been crying.

Then there was the honeymoon couple. She was almost hysterical.

Then there was the young family.....she had clearly bought the kids new clothes special for the cruise. They were all dolled up for this miserable dinner.

You get the picture. For DH and me, this was to be a getaway. For many others, they had paid alot in airfare to get to the ship. Others had hired babysitters to take care of their children. Pets at kennels. Vacation time now wasted and not any more left for folks to enjoy.

Bars are closed so we order club sodas and diet cokes. We get billed for them. But REMEMBER, the announcement said Carnival would have opened the bar but Massachusetts wouldn't let them. I don't think so. If that were the case, soft drinks certainly would have been complimentary.

Dinner was so awful it was inedible. Servers were perfuntory and as close to rude as they thought they could get away with. They knew there would be no tips from any of us who were left. They have just lost five days of income. Hey, Mr. Steward......not my fault!! How about a smile?

We have had it. We return to our cabins; pick up our suitcases. Good thing we do not have a ton to carry as there is no one to help. Senior folks with canes are trying to drag their suitcases off the ship with no offer of assistance.

We get to the gangway and there is absolutely no Carnival person there. We have yet to see anyone on this entire ship aside from stewards/servers. They had no way of knowing who was still aboard the ship and who had left. No one took names or cabin numbers. No one there to say....Bye, Sorry. Try us again. No one to get taxis. Folks who needed help rebooking air got absolutely no help at all. There was NO ONE to help them. Never saw a cruise staff person.

We enter the darkened terminal where the lights have been turned way down and can barely find our way through it to the street. What a pleasant way to leave a ship....through a nearly fully dark terminal.

A lady sat alone in a wheelchair with no clue how she was going to get the help she obviously needed.

DH wrote to Carnival. We had no interest in anything from them except a refund which we knew would be issued. We simply did not want Carnival to think they could treat people in this manner and blithely dismiss all of us as a mere inconvenience.

None of us blamed Carnival for having engine problems they were unable to repair in order for us to sail. Machines break. While all would have been disappointed, most would have understood that "stuff" happens sometimes. What was not acceptible was to be so badly mistreated. For a Captain to not once speak to all of these "customers". For no one to be on a gangway to say Good-bye....do you need assistance? DH and I would be sailing on four real cruises during upcoming months. Many folks who left that ship in tears might never have the chance to sail again.

We received a prompt response which offered us a free cruise of our choice. We never used the enclosed coupons. Subsequent to this event, I have been invited on THREE FREE introductory cruises on Carnival ships. I have refused all three invitations for cruises that were for two and three days each. For free, I am not interested.

Thank you for listening/reading.

localady
August 14th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Wow! Talk about the cruise from Hell! You are right, stuff does happen, but when it does, it's the cruise lines responsiblity to make stuff right. Last month while we were cruising on the Ryndam, the Vision of the Seas propeller was damaged, causing them to be 8 hours late into Seward. Many missed planes etc, but in talking to folks, RCCL made arrangements to attempt to mitigate the problems. I truly hope that Captain (if there was one) was taken to task for his lack of involvement. In my opinion, that should be grounds for dismissal for any Captain.:eek:

CINCY40
August 14th, 2004, 01:09 PM
What a nasty experience. Thanks for sharing.

Nancy

clopaw
August 14th, 2004, 01:26 PM
S7S, I'm so glad you decided to go ahead and tell us your story. How awful! Did your poor friends ever get to take a real cruise?

RevNeal
August 14th, 2004, 01:29 PM
How very sad ... especially for those who had special plans and occasions ruined. It sounds like the entire ship's staff, officers, cruise personnel, and stewards, all screwed up ... big-time. Yes, all were offered refunds, but I would really hope that more than that would be offered for such a screw-up. YES ... engineering problems DO happen ... but that doesn't excuse failing to provide, properly, for your passengers.

Thank you for taking the time to write this and post it on the board. It reminds me to thank God for all the wonderful cruise experiences I've been blessed to have.

KSCnCA
August 14th, 2004, 01:31 PM
That would keep me away from Carnival too. Very bad business practice if they ever wanted to see those passengers again. An apology goes a long way. I have complained about bad service in various situations - like a grocery store bagger who panhandled me in their own parking lot - and if I get an apology and a promise that the problem will be addressed I feel that it might make a difference. But no help getting off the ship, no explanations, paying for drinks (!), besides a surely Maitre d' - that's just rude!


And thanks for taking the time to re-type this story!

sail7seas
August 14th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Unfortunately our friends have never taken a cruise. Since that experience, the husband says no way he will put himself in jeopardy of being treated that way again. He cannot imagine why we continue to cruise. It is very hard for him to "believe" that was an aboration.....for him to understand our love of ships and cruising.

Krazy Kruizers
August 14th, 2004, 01:52 PM
:)

Thank you sail7seas for posting the story. That was really the cruise from Hell that didn't happen.

It's funny, many years ago when we first started to cruise, we read about Carnival and thought we might try them. Our TA shook her head "NO'- don't even think about them. You won't like them."

So glad - that is one cruise lin we will never try.

Thanks again for telling your story.

:)

LAFFNVEGAS
August 14th, 2004, 01:57 PM
WOW what a terrible experience. I am glad you did share the story with us. It just makes me feel sorry for those who were on that cruise and was possibly their first time and planning special occasions. If that would of been our first cruise I am sure we would not of got hooked and would of NEVER returned. There are several people here at work that think Carnival is the best:eek: That just was never my opinion although we have nevered tried Carnival and I seriously doubt we ever will.

HeatherInFlorida
August 14th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Oh, Sail, such an experience:( . Thank you so so much for taking the time to tell it so well. As you say, it wasn't about what happened, it was about the way Carnival dealt with it. I have to say I am not surprised. I know many people, some right here on the HAL boards, are extremely loyal to Carnival. I got "told off" once for saying I would never sail on a Carnival ship.

S--- happens, no question. But it is my belief that there is no calamity that cannot be made right. If this had been handled properly, you would have come away disappointed (mostly for your friends), but you would have been speaking well of Carnival for years simply because of how well they handled a bad situation.

This experience is inexcusable in every way. And that they topped it off by charging for a couple of cokes is just the icing on the cake.

Cruising Jake
August 14th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Sail7Seas

Thanks so much for rewriting the story. What a shame for those who had booked this as their "real" vacation.

And also congratulations on your great life and vast amount of cruises cruises. I am envious.

ekerr19
August 14th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Sail:

Thank you for taking the time to re-write the story. What a sad vacation for many. It is good a reminder why we will never try Carnival. My parents took one Carnival cruise and could not disembark quickly enough.

Thanks again for sharing it with us. :)

Aussie Gal
August 14th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Sail,
Thanks for sharing that story with us even though you had to rewrite it. I feel sorry for all those people as you say, who had to make all those arrangements one does before having a vacation, especially those who had come many miles. What a disaster. I cannot believe that there was no PR person attending to the passengers. Certainly no way to run a cruise line or for that matter any industry in the hospitality sphere.

Jennie.

Lisa63
August 14th, 2004, 08:21 PM
s7s, I remember that incident well. It happened about a month before our own cruise on Carnival Destiny. It was all over the local news that evening, and we had a feeling that we knew more than the passengers onboard.

We were a bit concerned for our upcoming cruise, of course, but even more so for the passengers who had embarked that day expecting to go on a cruise.

Your comments about the anniversary couple and honeymooners nearly brought me to tears. How horrible for them. I can relate as our cruise on Carnival Destiny later that summer was a celebration of a milestone anniversary for our parents, and the whole family went along.

sail7seas
August 14th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Oh Lisa....you are so correct.


Because some folks had requested I be brief, I left out alot of comments I had included in the story as I first wrote it.

We had the TV on in our cabin for a brief while and there were stories being broadcast from the pier....we could stand on our veranda and see the tv trucks and reporters. As soon as the Bridge or whoever realized pax were watching the tv's in the cabins and were getting some info that Carnival was not sharing with us.......they pulled the plug. The tv's all went black and we could no longer get any info. They really treated us horribly. They were dishonest and they had the worst possible PR etc etc It seems they just didn't much care what any of us aboard thought of Carnival. Maybe they figured they had already lost most of us as future customers anyway so why bother with us???

I'm happy you and your family had a better experience.

sail7seas
August 14th, 2004, 08:29 PM
Thanks everyone for taking the time to read the story and to post a comment. I appreciate it.

olderpilot
August 14th, 2004, 09:58 PM
Just had a chance to read. One word about the ship and crew's behavior: UNBELIEVABLE!

Can't say I blame you for your feelings for Carnival, Sail. I appluad you for hanging in there as long as you did.

kryos
August 15th, 2004, 06:35 AM
How very sad ... especially for those who had special plans and occasions ruined. It sounds like the entire ship's staff, officers, cruise personnel, and stewards, all screwed up ... big-time. Yes, all were offered refunds, but I would really hope that more than that would be offered for such a screw-up. YES ... engineering problems DO happen ... but that doesn't excuse failing to provide, properly, for your passengers.

Amen!

Sure, bad stuff can happen and sometimes will, but it's how those negative things are handled by the people in charge which makes all the difference to an organization's customers. Sure, Carnival offered a refund, but that was nothing more than they were legally obligated to do. Far more should have been done, like perhaps inviting people to stay onboard for the duration of the "cruise," and then making sure they had as close to a true cruise experience as possible ... including all facilities being open, a host of activities offered, courteous service, etc.

I hope a goodly amount of the passengers tied Carnival up in small claims court for a long, long time after this ill-fated cruise. That's surely what I would have done ... in an effort to get compensation for my airfare, my lost vacation time, and any other out-of-pocket expenses such as babysitters, kennels, etc. Even if many of those suits were unsuccessful, at least Carnival would have had the inconvenience, not to mention major expense, of defending all those "bothersome" law suits.

Thanks for sharing ... it's just a shame anyone had to go through such a crappy experience.

Blue skies!

--rita

lipoppop
August 15th, 2004, 09:31 AM
What scares me is that we have seen small erosions of the perks and even basic activities on HAL lately. With Carnival's mass production of cruising, damn the customer, bottom line blindness etc. I wonder how long it will be that we cannot tell the lines apart.

Krazy Kruizers
August 15th, 2004, 10:25 AM
lipoppop

You made a good statement there.

At the rate HAL is going, a few years down the road, and HAL may look like a Carnival.

:(

Krazy Kruizers
August 15th, 2004, 10:27 AM
sail7seas

If I read correctly, friends of yours talked you into that "Carnival cruise".

Did those friends ever go on another cruise?

Did they ever try Carnival again?

Lovebirds
August 15th, 2004, 10:29 AM
sail7seas

If I read correctly, friends of yours talked you into that "Carnival cruise".

Did those friends ever go on another cruise?

Did they ever try Carnival again?

Are they still your friends????:D

Lovebirds
August 15th, 2004, 10:34 AM
I just read through this entire thread. WOW!!!! That had to be a very unpleasant experience to say the least. Some day I'll write about my experience with a well known TA and RCCL's Rhapsody that had all the potential to be a terrible experience, but really turned out all right.

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 10:49 AM
Yes, thankfully, we are all still very close friends and have been for over 25 years.


They never stepped foot on another cruiseship again.

I think she would like to try again but her DH probably would never agree to go again.

They (and we) ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY would never cruise any Carnival ship. As I stated, I have been invited three times to go on their brand new ships for introductory cruises.....totally free including any bar beverages....everything! I said No, Thank You. Even for free, I don't want to cruise on Carnival after that experience.

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 10:51 AM
I just read through this entire thread. WOW!!!! That had to be a very unpleasant experience to say the least. Some day I'll write about my experience with a well known TA and RCCL's Rhapsody that had all the potential to be a terrible experience, but really turned out all right.


Lovebirds........

Please share your story. I'd like to read it.
I just noticed your "signature" and see you are booked for the 2005 World Cruise. Congratulations. How very exciting. I hope you will share some stories about that as you go along.

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 10:53 AM
What scares me is that we have seen small erosions of the perks and even basic activities on HAL lately. With Carnival's mass production of cruising, damn the customer, bottom line blindness etc. I wonder how long it will be that we cannot tell the lines apart.

Concerns me, as well.

I wonder if it concerns Senior Crew who, of course, have to follow Seattle's orders?

HeatherInFlorida
August 15th, 2004, 10:54 AM
.....They (and we) ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY would never cruise any Carnival ship. As I stated, I have been invited three times to go on their brand new ships for introductory cruises.....totally free including any bar beverages....everything! I said No, Thank You. Even for free, I don't want to cruise on Carnival after that experience.
And I think, Sail, a wise, wise decision. Given what I know from every description I have ever heard about a Carnival cruise ... and given the admittedly LITTLE I know about you from these Boards, I can say without hesitation that it would be an abhorrent adventure for you.

I fact, I might go so far as to say that this dreadful experience was God's little gift to you;)

Lovebirds
August 15th, 2004, 11:01 AM
We're booked on a 3 day to Nassau on Carnival but only because we needed a past cruise on any line affiliated with HAL to get our discount on the World Cruise. Past cruises have been on other lines that aren't a part of Hal and company so we'll just try to make the best of it and hava a little fun. We can drive to the Miami port in a couple of hours, so no big deal there.

At our age, we don't exactly fit the demographics for the fun ships, but, hey, we ain't dead yet either.

We'll have our laptops on board on the World Cruise and will try to report from time to time.

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 11:15 AM
Lovebirds: Look at it as a "good business decision". :)


You have a wonderful attitude and may surprise yourself by having some fun. I hope so. If not, bring along a few good books and catch up on your reading! :)

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 11:24 AM
Heather.......yes, yes, yes


I think you have it correctly!! :)

HeatherInFlorida
August 15th, 2004, 11:55 AM
We're booked on a 3 day to Nassau on Carnival but only because we needed a past cruise on any line affiliated with HAL to get our discount on the World Cruise.
I agree with Sail ... an excellent business decision and I would do the same without batting one single eyelash:D !!!

localady
August 15th, 2004, 12:58 PM
What scares me is that we have seen small erosions of the perks and even basic activities on HAL lately. With Carnival's mass production of cruising, damn the customer, bottom line blindness etc. I wonder how long it will be that we cannot tell the lines apart.
You know I get those fears after reading the board!! I have to tell you though that our Ryndam cruise in July, with the exception of drink and picture hawking, was as nice an experience as we've had on HAL! Granted, not everything was "perfect", but we didn't find the horrible decline in services that we expected!

If the Z is in fact limiting folks to 1 entree, it is a darn shame! Not many people order more than one, so it seems to be silly, penny wise and pound foolish!!! As one staff person said to me on our recent cruise, when I had an request "I cannot say no":D . I myself have not experienced a true drop in service to date on any "Dam" ship!:cool:

sail7seas
August 15th, 2004, 02:06 PM
I agree that we have not experienced any decline in the way we have been treated while aboard the "dam" ships. In the last year, we have been aboard Zuiderdam for multiple cruises; Maasdam for b-to-b cruises over Thanksgiving; Rotterdam in March; again on Maasdam in July and will be returning to Zuiderdam in October. That is a fair enough representation IMO to form a judgement as to what is happening on various ships.


The service we enjoyed on all of those "dam" ships was as good as always....the smiles as wide as always.
We saw cuts in menu selection; increases in drink prices; automatic tipping added as things some folks might consider negatives. But, we also saw the makeup mirrors added, wonderful new bedding and mattresses, excellent food preparation, and great service.

All in all......HAL is doing just fine by us!!! (meaning DH and I are still very satisifed with the onboard experience.)




My concern is that it may not stay that way.....I sense "changes in the air" .

Lovebirds
August 15th, 2004, 02:13 PM
OK, I've posted my story as a new thread "Potential disaster turns out OK"

Krazy Kruizers
August 15th, 2004, 02:39 PM
All of our experiences on HAL (except for 1 cruise) have been great in spite of all the cut backs.

We have several more cruises booked and with each one we will be keeping our and ears open for any more cut backs and changes.

HeatherInFlorida
August 15th, 2004, 03:18 PM
All of our experiences on HAL (except for 1 cruise) have been great in spite of all the cut backs.

We have several more cruises booked and with each one we will be keeping our and ears open for any more cut backs and changes.
Yes, and posting them all right here on CC:D for all of us poor sad folk who have a year between cruises and without these boards could get quite a shock when we step back on one of our favorite ships.

Tvisitor
August 16th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Sail7Seas, thank you for sharing the story. It was worth the wait for me. Thanks for taking the time to type it out again. I hope I never have an experience like yours. For you, I’m sure that one was enough for a lifetime. You deserve to have all of your cruises be among the best.

sail7seas
August 16th, 2004, 10:32 AM
Thank you, Tvisitor.


What nice things to say. It was kind of you to post them.

And I hope none of us at CC ever experience any nightmares of any sort aboard any of the ships we sail.

Vicar
August 16th, 2004, 11:14 AM
S7S,

Just got a chance to read your story just now . What a nightmare!!!!

As much of an annoyance it had to have been for you a DH, it was so heartbreaking for the people who were there hoping for a memorable vacation.

The worst part was that the crew and staff did nothing to make this all a little easier for the poor pax.

Thank you for writing it , I had really been looking forward to reading it.

Sorry that you had to go through all that.

jhannah
August 16th, 2004, 01:00 PM
S7S, what a mess! Surely there will be an extra star in your crown some day for having endured that experience yet remaining a sweet and gentle spirit!