The Zuiderdam 7/31 review you waited for !!!

[superstein61]

OK, I completed the first few parts of my Zuiderdam review from our 7/31 sailing. As background, note this was our 6th cruise - and we have sailed on several different cruise lines. This would be our 2nd cruise on HAL.

I will post more sections as I complete them.

[superstein61]

Flying Day:



Myself, my wife and our 10 year old daughter departed on the 30th for FLL. When we get to the airport, and start checking bags in, we are amazed that USAir is actually weighing them to ensure they are not over their 50 lb limit. They have never done this before. Well, my bag is up first and clocks in at exactly 50 lbs. Woo RUM, My trusty Blender and all !!!. I am sure glad I packed NO FORMAL clothes !!!!! They would have clearly put me over the limit and I would have had to pay extra for the privilege of shipping formal clothes I detest wearing on a Caribbean cruise. It pays to be a rebel !!!!!



Next up. My daughters – her case is no problem – about 10 lbs under the limit.



But wait – here come’s my wife’s whopper of a suitcase. TILT – there goes the scale – clocking in at 59 lbs or so. My wife is not pleased – especially when the agent suggest, and I concur, she move 9 lbs of junk from her suitcase to my daughters to keep them all at or under the 50 lb limit. I chuckle as she starts moving things from her suitcase to my daughters – thinking maybe she will learn her lesson and pack a whole lot less next time.



Finally all is ok with USAir – our bags are all at 50 or 49 lbs.



So off to FLL with a change of planes in Charlotte (Damn USAir cutbacks eliminating more and more direct flights). Of course, the flight leaving Pittsburgh is delayed about 30 minutes (Did I mention our connection had just 40 minutes in between) – but the Gate attendant says to someone else – everyone should make their connections, the closest is at 4pm (tada – us).



We land in Charlotte and the slow-moving crowd to exit the plane starts to annoy me. Time is ticking folks – but yet they dilly dally. When one lady who should be moving down the aisle to leave gets her bag and turns and starts speaking with her husband (and goes on for far too long when she should be exiting)) – thus holding up the whole show – I politely tell her “JUST GOT OFF THE PLANE ALREADY – talk once you are off”. The woman in the aisle in front of me SMILES !!! Guess she had a tight connection also.



So we are off the plane – with 10 minutes before our flight to FLL leaves. We run a sprint to the next gate (only about 10 gates away) and merrily get on our flight to FLL.



When we arrive at FLL, we catch a taxi to the Marriot marina for our 1 night pre-cruise stay. Booked this thru Priceline and was very disappointed in the Marriott. We have stayed at the Embassy Suites via Priceline previously and loved it – but the Marriott Marina did not stack up at all. Too spread out, no views for us, no breakfast, no free shuttle, etc.



Anyway, after checking in, we go down and meet some friends we made on a cruise 2 years ago. They live 30 minutes from FLL – and they take us to their lovely house for a terrific dinner and some nice chat. Our daughter enjoys going swimming with their daughter after dinner. The surf and turf dinner they served (including fresh lobsters they just caught a few days previously) was better than any we would have on the cruise.



A recap:



the Good: Terrific friends and a great dinner



the Bad – USAir, slow exiting passengers and the Marriott Marina

[superstein61]

EMBARKATION DAY:



First thing – off the the supermarket to pick up some 12 packs of soft drinks to take on the cruise - $2.99 for 12 cans – beat that onboard the ship J. A further walk away than the one by the Embassy Suites. Another reason to dislike the Marriott.



Check out of the Marriott at about 11am and take a Taxi to the cruiseport. Unfortunately due to security changes and construction, we have to take a circuitous route, filled with traffic – when it should have been so much closer.



Get in line around 11:30 and wait about 35 minutes or so to get thru the line. The line for people who did the immigration form online was much longer than the one for those who didn’t. What’s up with that. Reward the folks who do the work for you HAL !!! Don’t make then wait longer than those who don’t.



Finally make it aboard ship around 12:20 and are shown to the LIDO. The person directing us suggest we check our carry-ons in some room and they will deliver them to our room. No thanks – there is a reason why we are carrying them .



Get to the lido and grab some lunch. Decent food but nothing overwhelming. Certainly does not compare to Disney’s welcome aboard lunch with the humongous as much as you want, shrimp and cocktail sauce.



Hang out at the Lido til the ok is given to proceed to our rooms. Pleasantly surprised at the size of our inside, J cabin on the main deck. We liked the layout and extra floorspace. Our daughter used the fold out couch as her bed – which our room steward (Arayana) – who I give very high marks for, made up and put away each day.



After the lifeboat drill, headed to the Lido Pool for the sailaway celebration (which ended up being very LAME). HAL has the worst sailaway celebrations of any line we have been on – and this one ranked right up there.



Although the Cuban Mojito, drink of the day was good. I should note here that the HAL drink waiters were extremely aggressive – much moreso from my last cruise – pouncing on you while you were just walking by. I guess that auto-tip encourages them to do so. I did not like it.



Got dressed – in our CASUAL clothes – and headed for the special $10 first night dinner at the Pinnacle Grill. My daughter, who is a salmon fiend, promptly orders the Salmon – and get this – is told they are out of it. IT’S THE FIRST DAY !!!!! how can you already be out of Salmon, one of the featured items. Bad mark one in the Pinnacle.



After much disappointment and hem hawing, she finally orders the Halibut. My wife gets the pasta , and I order the Porterhouse.



Now, the food was good – BUT no where near the hype some folks on this board give it. My steak, while tasty, did not compare to the finest steakhouses in the country as some say it does. I have traveled quite a bit on business – and have a chance to dine at the top independent steakhouses in the nation, as well as several Ruth’s Chris and Morton’s – and trust me – Pinnacle has a LONG WAY to go to be mentioned in the same breath as any of them. The Volcano dessert was good – but again, not as spectacular as made out. Roy’s in Hawaii makes a MUCH, MUCH better volcano cake if you want the real deal.



Onto the Vista Lounge for showtime – But I will cover Entertainment as a separate subject later rather than by day.



Recap:



The Good: Our cabin, our cabin steward, the Mojito’s



The Bad: the roundabout trip required now to the cruiseport, Embarkation lines for people who filled in immigration forms online, the Pinnacle grill for not having Salmon on the first night, this boards overhyping of the Pinnacle Grill, the LAME sail away celebration

[superstein61]

HALF MOON CAY DAY:



We get up and are in the Lido around 8am for breakfast. Where is the crowd? The place is empty. Hmmmm. Did they all eat already and are waiting for the tenders? Or ???



Anyway, we survey the breakfast offerings – my daughter heads for the freshly made scrambled eggs section – I go to one of the omelet stations. The different stations for breakfast work well in the Lido. We would come to enjoy breakfast very much – and the omelet man knew me quite well by the end of the week J



We finish eating and hear the ship is cleared and those who want to disembark can go to the Queen’s lounge for a ticket. Hmmm, perfect timing – we head down, pick up a tender ticket, walk down and right onto the tender, and are on Half Moon Cay about 10 minutes later. I guess everyone else is sleeping in. Their loss !!!



We had rented a clamshell (last minute decision) and enjoyed it. I also purchase a Half moon Cay beverage card – good for all the soft drinks, beer and rum punch you want on HMC. We get a nice spot on the beach – very close to the path by the first main beach shed where they hand out the beach toys, etc. and close enough to easily walk to the bar in Ft San Salvador.



My daughter and eye head in the water and over to the rocks to snorkel. No need – tons of fish come to us and start swimming around. They must have been hungry and anxious to see people. My daughter – who was a bit squeamish about snorkeling – slowly adapts and enjoys herself when she sees the fish won’t hurt. We spend lots of time in the water with only a handful of other folks.



During the day – I partake of several (ok, maybe 5 or 6) rum punches. I also get a few soft drinks on my HMC card and take them back for my daughter and wife. I know, I know – its only for one person. Yea – but its costs $20 and believe me – there is no way you can get your money’s worth unless you do share some drinks with your family. I am not saying go overboard – but some reasonable sharing makes sense.



More swimming and snorkleling – then lunch time. The Island BBQ is so-so



Also – very few waiters walking the beach to take drink orders – and the ones who are will not get you drinks for your HMC card. Instead they are just carrying around premade daquiris and pina coladas.



Back to the beach where we relax til around 3:30 and make our way to the bar which has already started packing up – for a final rum punch and soft drink while listening to the band then to a tender around 4pm back to the ship



Shower and head to dinner – early seating lower level at 6:15. We meet our tablemates, a nice group, and our wait staff. The dining room staff turns out to be very efficient over the cruise – although not as much socializing by them as past cruises. They always remember to have my ice tea waiting for me and do a nice job overall.



Dinner in the main dining room over the week was quite good overall. Actually, I put it on par with the Pinnacle. IMO, no need to spend extra $ in the Pinnacle given the food we usually rec’d in the main dining room



RECAP:



The Good – HMC, still the 2nd best private island only behind Disney’s Private Island, The lido breakfasts, dinners at the Vista lounge, dining room service



The Bad – Waiters on HMC

[superstein61]

ENTERTAINMENT:

OK – lets take a time out from the days and talk entertainment. Evening entertainment in particular at the Vista Lounge:



The GOOD: The Elton John impersonator – one of the best entertainers at sea I have ever seen.



The OK: The juggler and magician



The Bad: The comedian and the Zuiderdam dancers production shows.



Beauty of course is in the eye of the beholder, but I thought the comic was ok at best and the production shows twice put me to sleep.



The pre-shows were also just so-so IMO. These were the ones like the Match Game, the Newlywed game, etc. Some of this was because some were the same stale routines/ words from past cruises. At least mix them up a bit. Others were because IMO the cruise director staff didn’t do a good job in getting the right folks involved.



That said, the one staff member who was very good in these shows was the Club Hal director, Amy. She was quite funny

[superstein61]

OK - More later as I have time

[hdawson]

Seems you aren't too happy with Zuiderdam. Maybe Disney is more your taste and style. I say this respectfully but with so many complaints and disappointments and so-so's I think you will be happier.

[srpilo]

Seems you aren't too happy with Zuiderdam. Maybe Disney is more your taste and style. I say this respectfully but with so many complaints and disappointments and so-so's I think you will be happier.
Its a review of HIS experience... And I didn't see where he asked for your mean spirited opinion as to where he'd be happier..

Reviews are writen to convey someones experiences and pass on their personal observations.. they're NOT WRITEN for you to critique, or for your condesending comments..


For me personally, I like to say thanks to Superstein61 for taking the time to post his OPINIONS and reviews, and look forward to more installments

Srpilo

[MandyGirl]

superstein61 -
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences!! When I saw your post, I don't think I could click on it fast enough to begin reading! :D

Embarkation: Totally makes sense about rewarding those who fill out their immigration information online and bring the printed/signed document to the port. Surely HAL has thought of that.... :confused:

Pinnacle: Thanks for sharing that experience. We, too, did Pinnacle first night of last year's cruise and are currently contemplating doing it again for the upcoming Zuiderdam cruise (embarkation day). I wonder if they are usually "out" of certain items on embarkation day each week to save enough for the rest of the cruise at $20pp prices? I'm leaning towards using the money elsewhere, and your comments help me do that - thanks!

A personal comment on FLIGHTS: USAir - yep, the cutbacks. They are REALLY hurting right now and have had amazing fare sales over the summer to get cash fast. With high fuel prices and on-the-job injuries of rampers loading extra-heavy bags, many airlines are definitely weighing the checked baggage to keep operation (and injury) costs down. An experience I had in June on Virgin Atlantic for a transatlantic flight: they also weigh your CARRYON bags! We were traveling to Scotland/London with nothing but a backpack each. We measured (and re-measured) to make sure they met carryon dimensions (length x width x height) stated on their website. However, we knew that we were over the 13-pound carryon weight limit prior to arriving at the airport, so we handed them over, taking out important items to keep with us on the flight (bathroom bag with meds, camera, passports). We weighed in at 22 pounds and 25 pounds each. No formal clothes or blender though. But I don't believe it is just US Air cracking down on the weight. (Have only flown them once this past year though)

Okay... have you had more time yet?? I'm ready for more!! Keep the good (and the bad) coming! :)

[Traveler39]

thanks for the nice review....Going on hal soon...

[Krazy Kruizers]

:) superstein61

Thanks for starting to post your review. Have loved reading it so far.

Couple of questions:

What detour in Ft Lauderdale to go through security? We always stay at the Embassy Suites and will be on some up-coming cruises starting in January. Embassy Suites' van has always just gone down the road, made a right turn, went through security, and then on to the ship. Weren't you able to use that security check point?

Also you mentioned that the sail-away party in Ft Lauderdale was LAME. We have gone only to a couple of sail-away parties in the last number of years. Could you please explain why you felt the party was LAME?

US Airways must have just started that 50 pound weight limit this summer. We used them in May and there wasn't anyone weighing our bags.

:)

[vjb223]

please e-mail vjb223,I have a ??you contacted me before but lost address, sorry. ? regarding half moon cay

[Giorgi-one]

Thanks for the objective review. Someone posts an honest detailed review and right away the flamers come out. I am tired of readng the "Oh I had such a wonderful time reviews" with absolutely no details. Most people are so happy to be on a cruise they cannot be objective in their reviews. One person on this board indicated that as long as they did not have to cook the food and clean up, they were satisfied. Try MacDonald's, Burger King, etc. They cook and clean up.

We were on Zuiderdam in July and I posted a detailed review. Lots of areas to be improved. However, we had opposite experience with food compared to Superstein61. We thought that food and service in the Pinncale was far superior to food and service in the Vista Dining Room except for lobster night when they served all the best entrees the same night.

[Krazy Kruizers]

:)

Agree - with lobster night. Wish HAL would spread out all those wonderful dishes over several nights instead of having them all on the same night.

Makes for hard decisions.

:)

[HeatherInFlorida]

It's funny because I didn't read this review the same way as hdawson. Didn't seem that negative to me. Seemed objective. And I love your humor, Superstein. Thanks for the review! Can't say it's real upbeat, but some very good information.

But I can't help wondering how you got those rum punches down when you wrote in the past that you can only drink one brand of rum which you always bring it with you since they don't have it on the ship. Be very careful with me;) ...I'm the proverbial elephant:D .

[TWELVEOHONE]

Superstein61

Thanks for your HONEST review.

[dexter]

We are also staying at the Marriott Marina and we asked them specifically if they had a free shuttle to the Port and they said "yes". They even say they do on their website. What kind of "view" did you ask for. There are only two views. One view is toward the cruise ship basin and the other toward the yacht marina. How did you get to the Port if not with a shuttle?

[Cameron-by-the-Sea]

Sailed Zuiderdam last February and appreciate your honest review. I was one of those "SO THRILLED TO BE ON A CRUISE" reviewers that I may have gone overboard in my positiives. I agree that the drink waiters were very aggressive and the Sail Away party was definitely "becalmed"--or as my dh said, "dead in the water."

BUT we did have an amazing dinner in the Pinnacle. My dh is considered a gourmet cook among our friends and it takes a lot to impress him. Maybe we were just lucky, but from what I've read on the boards, I believe your experience was not typical.

Look forward to the rest of your review. Thanks!

[doone]

Superstein, I stayed at the Marriott Hotel and Marina this past March, we took the free shuttle from the hotel to the pier. Have things changed since then possibly????????

[dexter]

Superstein, I stayed at the Marriott Hotel and Marina this past March, we took the free shuttle from the hotel to the pier. Have things changed since then possibly????????
No...we are staying in that hotel in two weeks and we made sure there was a free shuttle to the dock. We just called the hotel and there IS a free shuttle.

[sail7seas]

Thanks for what you have posted so far.

I'm eager to hear the rest.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Superstein, where are you? You've got some 'splaining to do. How did you miss that free shuttle and I still want to know how you got that inferior rum down:D !

[superstein61]

Its a review of HIS experience... And I didn't see where he asked for your mean spirited opinion as to where he'd be happier..

Reviews are writen to convey someones experiences and pass on their personal observations.. they're NOT WRITEN for you to critique, or for your condesending comments..


For me personally, I like to say thanks to Superstein61 for taking the time to post his OPINIONS and reviews, and look forward to more installments

Srpilo
Thanks Srpilo !!!

[superstein61]

superstein61 -
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences!! When I saw your post, I don't think I could click on it fast enough to begin reading! :D

Embarkation: Totally makes sense about rewarding those who fill out their immigration information online and bring the printed/signed document to the port. Surely HAL has thought of that.... :confused:

Pinnacle: Thanks for sharing that experience. We, too, did Pinnacle first night of last year's cruise and are currently contemplating doing it again for the upcoming Zuiderdam cruise (embarkation day). I wonder if they are usually "out" of certain items on embarkation day each week to save enough for the rest of the cruise at $20pp prices? I'm leaning towards using the money elsewhere, and your comments help me do that - thanks!

A personal comment on FLIGHTS: USAir - yep, the cutbacks. They are REALLY hurting right now and have had amazing fare sales over the summer to get cash fast. With high fuel prices and on-the-job injuries of rampers loading extra-heavy bags, many airlines are definitely weighing the checked baggage to keep operation (and injury) costs down. An experience I had in June on Virgin Atlantic for a transatlantic flight: they also weigh your CARRYON bags! We were traveling to Scotland/London with nothing but a backpack each. We measured (and re-measured) to make sure they met carryon dimensions (length x width x height) stated on their website. However, we knew that we were over the 13-pound carryon weight limit prior to arriving at the airport, so we handed them over, taking out important items to keep with us on the flight (bathroom bag with meds, camera, passports). We weighed in at 22 pounds and 25 pounds each. No formal clothes or blender though. But I don't believe it is just US Air cracking down on the weight. (Have only flown them once this past year though)

Okay... have you had more time yet?? I'm ready for more!! Keep the good (and the bad) coming! :)
Thanks Mandy Girl !!! Yea - the couple in front of me mentioned the same things about the immigration forms. he said last year - when he didn't do them online, the line for those who did was very short. this year it was jsut the opposite - so next year he will go back to not doing them again online - LOL


I hadn't thought of that being the reason why the Pinnacle was out of Salmon the first night - but you perhaps could be right. I wonder if they had Salmon other nights at the full $20 pp cost. I know they had Salmon in the regular dining room - so its not like they didn't have access to Salmon. I don't know.

Wow - weighing carryon bags - now this is where they would get me - my rum, photographic/video equipment and all - LOL. This was our first experience with any airline actually weighing bags - we will have to keep this in mind in the future.

At least one more, maybe two installments tonight

[superstein61]

:) superstein61

Thanks for starting to post your review. Have loved reading it so far.

Couple of questions:

What detour in Ft Lauderdale to go through security? We always stay at the Embassy Suites and will be on some up-coming cruises starting in January. Embassy Suites' van has always just gone down the road, made a right turn, went through security, and then on to the ship. Weren't you able to use that security check point?

Also you mentioned that the sail-away party in Ft Lauderdale was LAME. We have gone only to a couple of sail-away parties in the last number of years. Could you please explain why you felt the party was LAME?

US Airways must have just started that 50 pound weight limit this summer. We used them in May and there wasn't anyone weighing our bags.

:)
Not sure if I can adequately describe the security detail right, but I will try. Like you, I am used to coming out of the Embassy suites, going down, making a right turn and thru a check point onto the ship. That was blocked off. In fact, from the Marriott Marina I could have walked to the Princess ship in the dock - but there was no vehicle access. The cabbie - who was a nice guy - complained about it. We headed back up the road, past the Embassy Suites, like we were headed back to the airport . then our cabbie took a short cut (which is where the directions get screwy), cutting thru 3 parking lots, down an alley, onto a highway and making a full U-Turn into traffic. In doing so - he probably saved us another 10-15 minutes in traffic from what I could see. This line of traffic went thru the only gate in - so imagine the traffic from local hotels, as well as from people from the sirport all converging on this one security gate.

Definitely not like in the past.

As to the sail-away party, IMO, it really was done as an opportunity for HAL to sell sail away drinks - and nothing more. It consisted of the cruise staff (not the director) introducing themselves - and dancing to about 3 songs, encouraging the audience to participate. this was similiar to our cruise 2 years ago on the Maasdam.

These sail-aways parties jsut can not compare to Disney or NCL. Both make a much bigger deal out of it, more music, more fun, shooting streamers on Disney, games and some cruise previews on NCL, etc. HALs just seemed very blah.

[superstein61]

please e-mail vjb223,I have a ??you contacted me before but lost address, sorry. ? regarding half moon cay
Vjb - I would be happy to, but I need your email address. I have a couple different ones of my own for different purposes - and I am not sure what one I used but I can't find your email address. Thanks

[superstein61]

Thanks for the objective review. Someone posts an honest detailed review and right away the flamers come out. I am tired of readng the "Oh I had such a wonderful time reviews" with absolutely no details. Most people are so happy to be on a cruise they cannot be objective in their reviews. One person on this board indicated that as long as they did not have to cook the food and clean up, they were satisfied. Try MacDonald's, Burger King, etc. They cook and clean up.

We were on Zuiderdam in July and I posted a detailed review. Lots of areas to be improved. However, we had opposite experience with food compared to Superstein61. We thought that food and service in the Pinncale was far superior to food and service in the Vista Dining Room except for lobster night when they served all the best entrees the same night.

giorgi-one, thanks !!!

And yes - I should say food is very subjective - so what one person enjoys, someone else may not

[superstein61]

It's funny because I didn't read this review the same way as hdawson. Didn't seem that negative to me. Seemed objective. And I love your humor, Superstein. Thanks for the review! Can't say it's real upbeat, but some very good information.

But I can't help wondering how you got those rum punches down when you wrote in the past that you can only drink one brand of rum which you always bring it with you since they don't have it on the ship. Be very careful with me;) ...I'm the proverbial elephant:D .
heather - thanks. overall, we had a very nice time - but I do try and be objective. As to the Rum Punches - well, let me say this - they use the cheapest rotgut rum I think they can get - LOL - But its rum, so . . .

Seriously, Its not that I will only drink one type of rum - its just that I prefer a certain one. But you can give me pretty much any rum drink and I will enjoy it.

[superstein61]

We are also staying at the Marriott Marina and we asked them specifically if they had a free shuttle to the Port and they said "yes". They even say they do on their website. What kind of "view" did you ask for. There are only two views. One view is toward the cruise ship basin and the other toward the yacht marina. How did you get to the Port if not with a shuttle?

Dexter - My mistake - let me clarify. The Marriott does not have a free shuttle from the airport. they did have a free shuttle to the cruise port - but when we checked in (around 6pm) they told me the earliest one they could put us on was at 2:30. That was far too late for our taste.

At the Embassy - when their early shuttle's have been full, they actually gave me cash to pay for a taxi to the cruise port instead. Not so at the Marriot. Wait until the 2:30 shuttle or go on your own. (we just took a Taxi - it was $12 with tip)

I guess if you could check in early and book the shuttle, you may be ok. But I wouldn't count on it - as I thought getting in at 6pm would be earlier than many folks.

As to the view - we asked for a view towards the cruise ships - did so the day I bid on Priceline and got the room. Reiterated my request at check-in. Instead, we were put off in some wing (can't recall if it was east or west) - where you had to walk out the front lobby door and turn right into this wing. It was only 3 stories high - and in the opposite direction of the cruise ships. We were near the far end of it overlooking a marina. the exact opposite of our request

[superstein61]

Sailed Zuiderdam last February and appreciate your honest review. I was one of those "SO THRILLED TO BE ON A CRUISE" reviewers that I may have gone overboard in my positiives. I agree that the drink waiters were very aggressive and the Sail Away party was definitely "becalmed"--or as my dh said, "dead in the water."

BUT we did have an amazing dinner in the Pinnacle. My dh is considered a gourmet cook among our friends and it takes a lot to impress him. Maybe we were just lucky, but from what I've read on the boards, I believe your experience was not typical.

Look forward to the rest of your review. Thanks!Cameron - thanks. Glad you agree with me on the Sail Away party.

As to the Pinnacle - people shouldn't get me wrong, it was good - but I did not see it living up to the hype here. I really saw no difference between the Pinnacle food and that in the main dining room.

Perhaps I am jaded as to steaks - but some have compared the Pinnacle to the finest Steakhouses. I have eaten at places like:

Chicago Chop house - Chicago
Gene & Georgettis - Chicago
LG's Prime Steakhouse, Palm Desert, California
Charley's Steak House, Orlando, Florida
Metropolitan Grill, Seattle, Washington
The Steakhouse, Kansas City
Shula's Steakhouse, Florida
The Palm, Chicago
Ruths Chris, various cities
Morton's of Chicago, various cities
Sam & Harry's, DC
Smith and Wollensky, Chicago
Jess and Jims, Kansas City
Manny's Steakhouse - Minneapolis

among others. These are among the best steakhouses in the country (moreso the independents than the chains). IMO, the Pinnacle Grill while good, doesn't hold a candle to any of them. to mention the Pinnacle on a par with any of these is doing a disservice to these great steakhouses.

Again - I am a big beef eater - and love a great steak. Its my favorite food. So I feel safe in making these comparisons.

however, taste is always personal.

[superstein61]

TORTOLA



Ok – I know I skipped the day at sea – but I will cover the 2 days at Sea a bit later – for now, I am on Port Days.



We arrive in Tortola, again have our breakfast without a crowd in the Lido around 8:00 am and then disembark the Ship around 8:30am. We are heading to Virgin Gorda and we decide to walk to the ferry dock – which we can see from our ship. It’s about a 10-15 minute walk. One hand, glad we chose to walk – on another, well . . . read on.



Tortola was in the midst of some festival – and if we had chosen to take a taxi, it probably could have gotten us half way to the ferry dock and that’s it (I spoke with folks who said this was the case). That’s because the natives had traffic at a standstill. Cars, taxi’s etc could go no where no matter if they beeped their horn, tried to move, etc. Apparantly their was some morning “festivities”. I think they called it a stomp. Well, picture this. Hordes of locals walking down the street at a slow pace. Throngs on either side of the road drinking and smoking (and I am not talking regular cigarettes) – some whom who looked like they had been at it all night. Loud music playing from various parked cars / booths. Most of the folks looked to be in their 20’s and 30’s. Honestly, if I did not know in advance this was a festival, the thought that would have came to my mind was we were the only Americans in a 3rd world country that just overthrew their government and were taking part in acts of civil disobedience. Now let me make it clear – no one harmed or threatened us – but some of the looks we received, well – all I can say is that by the time we reached the ferry dock, my 10 year old daughter, who was holding my hand as we walked, was literally shaking because she was so scared. Let me make this also clear – this is not a racial observation on her or my part – as she has several good friends of various races. Its just that Tortola’s idea of a festival seemingly differs from mine.



Anyway, we get to the ferry station and I calm my daughter down. A man from Smith;’s ferry asks if we are getting the ferry to Virgin Gorda – and I say yes. He starts to direct us to Smith’s ticket booth when another man comes up and says don’t go with him, he will get us a better deal on a different ferry. An argument ensues among the two men – and we ultimately end up at Smith’s ticket window as I liked the first man – who was wearing an official Smith’s shirt and worked directly for them. The other guy seemed dubious.



We get on the ferry, take a seat on the top deck and take in the wild street scene for about 5 minutes before the boat leaves. We enjoy a nice transit over to Virgin Gorda with some lovely island scenery. At Virgin Gorda – we all board a safari taxi to the Baths (included in the deal we made with Smith’s).



We traverse the path down to the baths and take up a nice spot on the beach. I must say the Baths was tremendous. Not only the Baths themselves – but the nearby beach. Many boats on daytrips parked out away from the beach making for a lovely setting. The place was not crowded at all – until the official Zuiderdam excursion came thru. When we went thru the baths, it was quite empty and we really enjoyed it. We heard from others on board on the excursion that they went thru in a long line – which ruined part of the experience.



Furthermore, the thing that I didn’t expect but was pleasantly surprised was their was excellent snorkeling right off the beach. My daughter and I went out numerous times - in some areas the water is not very deep, in others it can get deeper but still excellent snorkeling with all the rocks, etc. We saw a very nice variety of sealife – and get this, by afternoon, my daughter had convinced my wife – who typically runs out of the water at the sight of a fish, to use my mask and snorkel and go with her. This was my same daughter who herself was squeamish until a few days ago. Well, my wife gave it a try – and now she is hooked. Looks like I have to buy her a mask and snorkel before we go to Hawaii next year.



We stayed at the Baths til around 2:30 (there is a nice little bar on the beach – had a few softdrinks from it), then headed up to the Top of the baths to wait for out Taxi . At the top of the Baths, there is a very nice – albeit overpriced restaurant with a nice freshwater pool. Since we had some time, my daughter and I wanted to take a dip in the pool to clean the saltwater off of us. But you need to be a patron of the restaurant – so my wife and I each bought an overpriced drink anmd we enjoyed the pool for a bit.



The taxi ride back to the ferry was uneventful, as was the return trip on the ferry. The nice thing was by the time we had gotten back, the street festivities had ended, ,and Tortola was somewhat deserted. Nice and peaceful – except for all the trash, beer bottles, etc strewn about the road. My daughter just remarked – can you believe how much litter these folks generated.



The nice thing was, we caught the 9am ferry over and 3pm ferry back – so we spent pretty much all port time at the Baths – and it cost a lot less than the ship excursion, which was only their for about 2 hours

OOPS - Almost forgot, Dinner tonight (unless I have my days mixed up - it is Dutch night in the Dining room - and there is an on-deck Barbecue by the Lido Pool). You know which we opt for - the BBQ. We head up around 5:45 and see they have a special on all you drink Pina Colada's from then til 8pm for $11.95. I am not a big Pina Colada dinker, but I am thirsty (even though I did fire up the old blender in my room while my wife and daughter were showering and made myself a nice Banana Rum Smoothie) - YUM. Plus they are served in a pineapple - which my daughter finds fascinating, so I order one. We grab a table and enjoy the sights sailing out of Tortola - then at 6pm, the BBQ is ready. grilled steaks (YUM), ribs, fish, sausage, baked potatoes, salad, etc. I try a little of this and that - and get two steaks :D . Quite good - cooked just as I liked them (they asked my preference and took it right off the grill for me). So good in fact, I head back later for a third steak :D What can I say - i love steak - and I took the third one instead of dessert ;)

Early on, no one is around to refill my unlimited Pina Colada - all the waiters are too busy trying to sell more packages. So I head up to where the waiters are getting them and get a refill there. Later though the situation imporves and the person who sold me my Pina Colada is back several times with refills.

We hang out on deck til close to 8pm - and they keep refilling my pineapple ;) - before heading off to the nights entertainment



RECAP:



The GOOD: The Baths, Snorkleing at the Baths, Saving money and getting extra time doing the Baths on your own, the BBQ



The BAD: The festivalgoers in Tortola first thing in the morning

[RevNeal]

Dear superstein61,

Thanks for your review as it stands thus far. I'm enjoying it immensely; particularly your format and your tongue-in-cheek little pokes. For instance ... if you'd left out the blender and the Rum you could have taken a Tux!!!! LOL ;) Since I don't take a Blender or Rum, I DO have the weight allowance!!! :D Since you don't like the formals in the Caribbean, you have the weight-space to bring them! To each their own.

Thanks, particularly, for your remarks on the J-category cabins on Main Deck ... that's where I'll be staying on the Oosterdam next Feb, so I'm curious about details from there.

Oh ... and in case you or anyone else is interested, you're currently up to 11 goods -- 13 if you include the two "ok" rankings under entertainment -- and 11 bads. :) In other words, you're beating your Vegas odds of 3 to 1 (negative to positive)!!!!!!! ;) :D How anyone could see this as saying you didn't have a good cruise is beyond me.

[superstein61]

ST. THOMAS



Another day, another island. Of course, we would have preferred to have visited St Thomas first under the original itinerary and stayed till 11pm. Alas, HAL changed this as you know. We weren’t happy about this, but what can you do.



Everyone on the ship has to be up today at 7am for Immigration. You are called by decks to go to the Queen’s Lounge and show your passport or alternative ID. Our deck, the main deck, is called first. There is a long line but it moves very quickly. So we are thru and up to breakfast. After breakfast, we can exit the ship (they are still calling other decks – but once you have cleared, you get a piece of paper which lets you off the ship – you just can’t get back on until the whole ship has cleared.)



We catch a Taxi to Redhook $24 for the 3 of us – and catch the ferry $3 per adult, $1 for our daughter) to St John. On St John, we forgo the car we had planned to rent if we had more time and take a Taxi to trunk bay. I normally would have gone to a different beach because Trunk bay is usually overrun with cruisers – but we are the only ship in port, so it should be quiet. Eventually the official Zuiderdam excursion comes – and the beach gets a bit more busy – but they leave after their 2 hours or so and its another uncrowded, peaceful day swimming and snorkeling.



Had our first snorkeling setback as on our way out to the reef, my daughter and I see a jellyfish clear as day straight ahead. I slowly back away – but she swims like mad to shore. Ok, she is back to being squeamish – afraid of getting “stung”.



So I snorkel myself for a while and see lots of interesting coral and fish – then I convince her back in and eventually she is out with me and we see a small squid / octopus. She is so excited !!!



We pretty much just relax and enjoy the day. I should note that we did rent fins here – since the reef is a ways out from the beach. We did not need fins at the Baths on Virgin Gorda (we own our own masks and snorkel).



We decide to leave around 2pm and hire a taxi to go around the island and show our daughter some of sites that make St John’s special to us. The taxi driver is very nie and we get to take her and show her many lovely places. We even see a precursor of Charlie moving in, as it is overcast – and on the far side if the island, the boats have been called in to Hurricane Bay by the authorities.



Our ride back to ST THOMAS is uneventful and we get back at the ship around 4pm – just in time for the skies to let loose with a nice shower. We head onto ship briefly to get my credit card – and then my daughter and I head out to do a little shopping (well – she shopped, I paid) at Havensight.



RECAP:



The GOOD: St Johns, Trunk Bay, Snorkling



The BAD: - HAL Changing itineraries and limiting time in St Thomas (and for me, St Johns)

[RevNeal]

An observation relative to the Pinnacle Grill. You wrote:

however, taste is always personal.

Exactly correct. I always try to keep this in mind. I also try to remember that one ship's Pinnacle Grill may well be inferior (or superior) compared to another ship's. I know that they're very similar from ship to ship, however the Pinnacle on the Statendam is, in my opinion, better than the Pinnacle on the Volendam ... both in terms of service and in terms of quality of the food ... and I've eaten in both several times. So ... what you experienced on the Zuiderdam may well be reflecting that kind of difference, and that difference results in what appears to be some of the "over-hyping" by some others here -- the Zuiderdam's Pinnacle may be inferior to some of the Pinnacle Grills being praised here.

Do I think that the Pinnacle Grill has been over-hyped here? Yes ... to lesser and greater degrees, relative to the ship and the person. I've eaten at better in Dallas, KC, SF, and NYC. But not MUCH better ... and less-so on the Statendam than on the Volendam.

[superstein61]

Dear superstein61,

Thanks for your review as it stands thus far. I'm enjoying it immensely; particularly your format and your tongue-in-cheek little pokes. For instance ... if you'd left out the blender and the Rum you could have taken a Tux!!!! LOL ;) Since I don't take a Blender or Rum, I DO have the weight allowance!!! :D Since you don't like the formals in the Caribbean, you have the weight-space to bring them! To each their own.

Thanks, particularly, for your remarks on the J-category cabins on Main Deck ... that's where I'll be staying on the Oosterdam next Feb, so I'm curious about details from there.

Oh ... and in case you or anyone else is interested, you're currently up to 11 goods -- 13 if you include the two "ok" rankings under entertainment -- and 11 bads. :) In other words, you're beating your Vegas odds of 3 to 1 (negative to positive)!!!!!!! How anyone could see this as saying you didn't have a good cruise is beyond me.Rev - Thanks. Yes, as to packing - I guess everyone has their own priorities :D

We really liked the J-category cabin - it felt like we had more room than a typical cabin. I wondered in advance about the somewhat different shape and layout - but it worked well for us. I know Host Doug has mentioned just be sure to get on on the Main Deck - as ones on other decks are smaller.

Yep - and I just posted 3 goods to one bad for St Thomas- so I must be blowing those odds away - LOL:D

[superstein61]

An observation relative to the Pinnacle Grill. You wrote:

however, taste is always personal.

Exactly correct. I always try to keep this in mind. I also try to remember that one ship's Pinnacle Grill may well be inferior (or superior) compared to another ship's. I know that they're very similar from ship to ship, however the Pinnacle on the Statendam is, in my opinion, better than the Pinnacle on the Volendam ... both in terms of service and in terms of quality of the food ... and I've eaten in both several times. So ... what you experienced on the Zuiderdam may well be reflecting that kind of difference, and that difference results in what appears to be some of the "over-hyping" by some others here -- the Zuiderdam's Pinnacle may be inferior to some of the Pinnacle Grills being praised here.

Do I think that the Pinnacle Grill has been over-hyped here? Yes ... to lesser and greater degrees, relative to the ship and the person. I've eaten at better in Dallas, KC, SF, and NYC. But not MUCH better ... and less-so on the Statendam than on the Volendam.
Agreed. I am sure as you note, the quality varies from ship to ship.

[srpilo]

Hey buddy keep it going !!!

One question..
Did I read you right, did it really cost $24.00 each way ($48.00 rt) for the taxi to Red Hook ??

Thanks
Srpilo

[superstein61]

Thanks everyone for the comments - I hoped I answered everyone's questions. thats all for tonight. More later when I get a chance. Nassau, Two at Sea Days, debarkation and Misc stuff still left to go.

[superstein61]

Hey buddy keep it going !!!

One question..
Did I read you right, did it really cost $24.00 each way ($48.00 rt) for the taxi to Red Hook ??

Thanks
Srpilo
Srpilo - thanks. It was $24 each way for all 3 of us - so $8 per person. The rate varies from $10 down depending on the number of people

[gizmo]

Thanks Superstein, I really enjoyed your review. I am looking forward to reading more.

[Lois R]

Hi:) I am also enjoying your review..thanks for the indepth insights....

[doone]

We signed up for the shuttle to the pier at the Marriott when we checked in, again, this was a Monday sailing, so perhaps that's the difference, not sure. We got the 11 a.m. shuttle, which was perfect. We were the only ones on this shuttle. There had to be alot of people going to the pier from that hotel, so the earlier ones were full. I agree, I wouldn't have waited for the 2:30 pm shuttle, I would have taken the taxi as well, I like to be there early.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Thanks superstein for giving us some info on your cruise.

We went to the Baths years ago & loved it.

Tortola - been there years ago - was there again this past winter - don't like the island. And, unofrtunately will be there again in 2005. So sorry that you had to be there on a day when the islanders were having a festival and celebrating whatever. Glad you were able to calm your daughter's fears down and were able to go to the Baths and forget all that nonsense.

Looking forward to reading more about your cruise.

[MandyGirl]

ST. THOMAS

We decide to leave around 2pm and hire a taxi to go around the island and show our daughter some of sites that make St John’s special to us. The taxi driver is very nie and we get to take her and show her many lovely places. We even see a precursor of Charlie moving in, as it is overcast – and on the far side if the island, the boats have been called in to Hurricane Bay by the authorities.
:) Thanks for everything you are writing!! :)

I have thought of those boats often this past week. When we vacationed there and heard it referred to as Hurricane Bay... it really puts things into perspective. We stayed south of Coral Bay so we would pass that area each day. I told hubby that since we have the long time there (in November), we should rent a jeep and have lunch at our favorite place there... Shipwreck Landing. :) I think you and your daughter would enjoy staying Concordia (part of the Maho group). Not sure if your wife is into that, but might be worth looking into if returning to St John for a land vacation. www.maho.org (http://www.maho.org) The land that Maho is on is leased and the contract runs out in 7 or 8 more years, and it looks like it will not be affordable for Maho to continue, which is why Concordia is being built on land that was actually bought by Stanley Selengut.

[sail7seas]

As to the sail-away party, IMO, it really was done as an opportunity for HAL to sell sail away drinks - and nothing more. It consisted of the cruise staff (not the director) introducing themselves - and dancing to about 3 songs, encouraging the audience to participate. this was similiar to our cruise 2 years ago on the Maasdam.



If it was similiar to your cruise 2 years ago on the Maasdam, you knew what to expect.


These sail-aways parties jsut can not compare to Disney or NCL. Both make a much bigger deal out of it, more music, more fun, shooting streamers on Disney, games and some cruise previews on NCL, etc. HALs just seemed very blah.Why do we keep trying to make every cruiseline like every other? I strive to find differences among them.

A cruiser who has done their research should select the cruiseline that offers the most of what they want and IMO should not be trying to make that cruiseline then adopt patterns and ways of doing things that mirror another. If you prefer NCL and Disney's sailaways, then list that on the "like it" side of your check list when selecting which line to cruise. IMO, HAL's sailaway is just fine the way it is.

[localady]

Superstein-

With regard to the Marriott-seems to me you got what you paid for. When you book a hotel via Priceline, you book the hotel at a huge discount! Simular to the price for an interior cabin. For those of us that booked the hotel at less of a discount, it makes perfect sense that they would put you in one of the less desirable rooms of the hotel. Marriott would be doing themselves a disservice to accommodate those that have paid Priceline type rates in the best view rooms while putting those that paid a greater price in the non-view wing IMHO.
Sounds like your daughter really enjoyed the cruise! My kids were scared to snorkel at first, now keep begging to "go back"!!!!

[HeatherInFlorida]

Superstein, your review is such fun to read! And it certainly sounds like overall you were having a great time. I shiver to imagine, though, what you're going to write about the "seniors" on sea days. Remember you made a friend out of me so try to be kind;)

As to sail-away parties, I could care less:) ... I don't think I've gone to one yet.

You have a fascinating writing style that's very easy to read so I can't wait to read the rest. You know what you need, though? You need a cruise buddy who lives in the Ft. Lauderdale area to carry your blender, rum and sundries. Then you'd be all set with your weight limit:D

[anngie]

Superstein, I have enjoyed your review very much.
On your visit to the Pinnacle the first night of the cruise, you say that you dressed in casual clothes. Did you in any way feel out of place? Were others dressed formally? Did your wife wear casual clothes too? I am asking this because we are considering dressing casually for the Pinnacle the first night of our cruise and would like to know how it went.
I agree with your assessment of Tortola. We spent 2 weeks on a sailboat there 8 years ago and found the locals to be very unfriendly. It is easy to imagine that cruise ship passengers are not met with hospitality.
We wondered at first if it was because we are Americans but our captain was from England and he was treated the same way that we were.

[HeatherInFlorida]

And yet my brother and sister-in-law stay on Tortola every year for a month and are absolutely in love with the island.

So, you never know. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[Roadwork]

Excellent review. I am sure the rest if it will be well written and honest. You are doing fairly well so far, with only a couple of people telling you what you should do.
Many thanks for a detailed, fair and balanced review.

[Giorgi-one]

I strongly doubt that Pinnacle was out of salmon to save money. Salmon used to be a big deal but you can buy fresh farm-raised salmon anywhere now for $4.99 a pound. Ribeye, Porterhouse & rack of lamb are much more expensive. Smoked salmon is another story.

[hdawson]

Another consideration is that the ship had just been provisioned. New stock had probably not had time to be unpacked and defrosted. I understand that the defrosting process for some foods is 24 to 36 hours and of course under refrigeration in a special unit away from other food stuffs.

[Navy_Chief]

Thanks superstein61 for your observations. I'm sure they will help many who frequent the boards in lining up their plans on crusing similar ports and HAL ships.

-Bob

[sail7seas]

Another consideration is that the ship had just been provisioned. New stock had probably not had time to be unpacked and defrosted. I understand that the defrosting process for some foods is 24 to 36 hours and of course under refrigeration in a special unit away from other food stuffs.

That certainly sounds like the most reasonable explanation. We are very fortunate to have been taken on a very inclusive tour of the galley and refrigeration/freezer areas. Astounding!!! Indeed, the fish is stored no where near the chicken which is stored well apart from the beef etc

[Krazy Kruizers]

Yes, everyone does dress casually on the first night at the Pinnacle. Mainly because some people get on the ship late. Others haven't completely unpacked. Some have traveled all day and don't feel like dressing up.

Country club casual is prefectly acceptable.

[Krazy Kruizers]

That does sound like a reasonable explanation as to why the Pinnacle did not have salmon on the first night.

Does the Pinnacle have their own supply rooms and separate refrigeration areas?

On some ships the Pinnacle has their own kitchen while on others, they have to share the kitchen facilities.

[Kylie]

superstein-
My husband & I are enjoying your review and especially got a laugh out of your description of Tortola - it was crazy that day! We were on the Smith's Ferry with you, your wife, and daughter. I'm sure we were sitting behind your wife on the way over to VG that day. We also thoroughly enjoyed our day at the Baths. My sunburned shoulders are just now peeling!! Very fun to relive the week through your review. Thanks!

[RevNeal]

We grab a table and enjoy the sights sailing out of Tortola - then at 6pm, the BBQ is ready. grilled steaks (YUM), ribs, fish, sausage, baked potatoes, salad, etc. I try a little of this and that - and get two steaks . Quite good - cooked just as I liked them (they asked my preference and took it right off the grill for me). So good in fact, I head back later for a third steak What can I say - i love steak - and I took the third one instead of dessert

superstein61, I'm beginning to think you're a man after my own stomach! :D We may not agree on formals or the propriety of bringing booze aboard, but we DO appear to agree on that which is of supreme importance ... MEAT. :D ;)

Thanks for an excellent review. I've enjoyed it, and look forward to any further remarks. It sounds like you had a good time, and for that I'm particularly pleased. Even though yours was a very different cruise than the one I'm getting geared up to board, reading your review has contributed to the ramping up of my enjoyment and excitement about my next cruise. THANK YOU.

Thinking about sailaway parties, I've really never paid much attention to them. I'm usually more of a loner when it comes to port departure events ... I like to be up in the Crows nest or out on one of the forward observation decks, watching the departure itself, rather than being involved in some games, or in the "let's see who can jump in the pool, fully clothed, first and win a free round of drinks in the crows nest" contest. For a view of what I do, watch my "sail away" video from my Alaska Cruise last year. :)

This doesn't mean that I don't have fun at port departures ... I do. I've been to several parties, in fact, but I'm more interested in the actual departure itself. I generally go to the aft deck for a drink, then forward to an observation deck for departure, then back to the aft to watch the port slip away behind us and to listen to the music and see what's going on. I've seen some dancing, and people jumping into the pool, etc., but not much else that interested me.

[bookworm0911]

I am thoroughly enjoying all the many parts of your review, superstein, and love your writing style and organization. I like that you are giving us the good and the bad and that something like the bbque is given a good grade, when so many have given it a thumbs down. Glad you enjoyed the cruise overall. :)

Did you or anyone else ever find out what the local Tortola festival or holiday was for? It would be interesting to know. I think sometimes we forget we are going into countries with different cultures, celebrations and customs. It is their country after all and they don't need to do things like those of us in North America nor should we expect them to just because we arrive on a certain day on a ship. It sounds like your experience was a lot like a foreigner to the U.S. might feel being dropped into New Orleans during Mardi Gras with no explanation! :D

[superstein61]

:) Thanks for everything you are writing!! :)

I have thought of those boats often this past week. When we vacationed there and heard it referred to as Hurricane Bay... it really puts things into perspective. We stayed south of Coral Bay so we would pass that area each day. I told hubby that since we have the long time there (in November), we should rent a jeep and have lunch at our favorite place there... Shipwreck Landing. :) I think you and your daughter would enjoy staying Concordia (part of the Maho group). Not sure if your wife is into that, but might be worth looking into if returning to St John for a land vacation. www.maho.org (http://www.maho.org/) The land that Maho is on is leased and the contract runs out in 7 or 8 more years, and it looks like it will not be affordable for Maho to continue, which is why Concordia is being built on land that was actually bought by Stanley Selengut.
MandyGirl - thanks. I took a brief look at the website you provided and bookmarked it. It looks interesting - and I would love to spend a week in St John. We will check it out for a possible future vacation

[superstein61]

Why do we keep trying to make every cruiseline like every other? I strive to find differences among them.

A cruiser who has done their research should select the cruiseline that offers the most of what they want and IMO should not be trying to make that cruiseline then adopt patterns and ways of doing things that mirror another. If you prefer NCL and Disney's sailaways, then list that on the "like it" side of your check list when selecting which line to cruise. IMO, HAL's sailaway is just fine the way it is.
You may enjoy a lame, boring HAL sailaway - but we do not. Its my review and my opinion. Please let me state it without getting up in arms.

Someone asked me why I found it lame - and I explained why, and in doing so compared it to some other lines I have cruised on. Whats wrong with that. No single cruise line is perfect. Every line can improve in some area. Sailaways is one area I believe HAL should improve upon. JMO

[superstein61]

Superstein-

With regard to the Marriott-seems to me you got what you paid for. When you book a hotel via Priceline, you book the hotel at a huge discount! Simular to the price for an interior cabin. For those of us that booked the hotel at less of a discount, it makes perfect sense that they would put you in one of the less desirable rooms of the hotel. Marriott would be doing themselves a disservice to accommodate those that have paid Priceline type rates in the best view rooms while putting those that paid a greater price in the non-view wing IMHO.
Sounds like your daughter really enjoyed the cruise! My kids were scared to snorkel at first, now keep begging to "go back"!!!!
Locallady - I disagree. Hotels that participate with Priceline are not supposed to discriminate in handing out rooms. All Priceline customers are supposed to receive the same treatment non-priceline customers do.

I have used Priceline many times in the past - and was always pleased at those hotels. My experience at the Marriott , that was not the case. I do not know if it was because we were Priceline customers or not - but I had made my request for a room on a higher floor with a view months ago - and the Marriott did not accomodate that - so for that they get low marks from me.

As to my daughter, thanks - yes, she really did enjoy the cruise and snorkeling

[superstein61]

Superstein, your review is such fun to read! And it certainly sounds like overall you were having a great time. I shiver to imagine, though, what you're going to write about the "seniors" on sea days. Remember you made a friend out of me so try to be kind;)

As to sail-away parties, I could care less:) ... I don't think I've gone to one yet.

You have a fascinating writing style that's very easy to read so I can't wait to read the rest. You know what you need, though? You need a cruise buddy who lives in the Ft. Lauderdale area to carry your blender, rum and sundries. Then you'd be all set with your weight limit:D
Thanks Heather. Its late so I may not get another installment up tonight, but I will have some more soon.

And yes - having someone in FLL who could just meet me onboard with my blender, rum, etc would make packing a whole lot easier :D

[superstein61]

Superstein, I have enjoyed your review very much.
On your visit to the Pinnacle the first night of the cruise, you say that you dressed in casual clothes. Did you in any way feel out of place? Were others dressed formally? Did your wife wear casual clothes too? I am asking this because we are considering dressing casually for the Pinnacle the first night of our cruise and would like to know how it went.
I agree with your assessment of Tortola. We spent 2 weeks on a sailboat there 8 years ago and found the locals to be very unfriendly. It is easy to imagine that cruise ship passengers are not met with hospitality.
We wondered at first if it was because we are Americans but our captain was from England and he was treated the same way that we were.Anngie - Thanks. I would say in the Pinnacle Grill on that first night, about 75% of the folks were dressed casually, 25% had chosen to dress up more (ie men wearing a jacket, women in fancy dresses). I certainly didn't feel out of place as the dress of the day was casual. As to my wife - she wore a nice pair of black slacks and matching top which she considered casual.

[superstein61]

Another consideration is that the ship had just been provisioned. New stock had probably not had time to be unpacked and defrosted. I understand that the defrosting process for some foods is 24 to 36 hours and of course under refrigeration in a special unit away from other food stuffs.
That could be - but it still boggles my mind how the Pinnacle could be out of one of its signature dishes on the first night of a cruise. Just poor planning IMO

[superstein61]

superstein-
My husband & I are enjoying your review and especially got a laugh out of your description of Tortola - it was crazy that day! We were on the Smith's Ferry with you, your wife, and daughter. I'm sure we were sitting behind your wife on the way over to VG that day. We also thoroughly enjoyed our day at the Baths. My sunburned shoulders are just now peeling!! Very fun to relive the week through your review. Thanks!
Kylie

Thanks - yes, it certainly was crazy that day. Did you also get the dueling men trying to direct you to different ferries?

I agree with you - the Baths were great

[superstein61]

superstein61, I'm beginning to think you're a man after my own stomach! :D We may not agree on formals or the propriety of bringing booze aboard, but we DO appear to agree on that which is of supreme importance ... MEAT. :D ;)

Thanks for an excellent review. I've enjoyed it, and look forward to any further remarks. It sounds like you had a good time, and for that I'm particularly pleased. Even though yours was a very different cruise than the one I'm getting geared up to board, reading your review has contributed to the ramping up of my enjoyment and excitement about my next cruise. THANK YOU.

Thinking about sailaway parties, I've really never paid much attention to them. I'm usually more of a loner when it comes to port departure events ... I like to be up in the Crows nest or out on one of the forward observation decks, watching the departure itself, rather than being involved in some games, or in the "let's see who can jump in the pool, fully clothed, first and win a free round of drinks in the crows nest" contest. For a view of what I do, watch my "sail away" video from my Alaska Cruise last year. :)

This doesn't mean that I don't have fun at port departures ... I do. I've been to several parties, in fact, but I'm more interested in the actual departure itself. I generally go to the aft deck for a drink, then forward to an observation deck for departure, then back to the aft to watch the port slip away behind us and to listen to the music and see what's going on. I've seen some dancing, and people jumping into the pool, etc., but not much else that interested me.
Rev - thanks. Glad to see our stomachs agree on the all important MEAT !!!
My wife laughs at me - I will easily pass up dessert / sweets for another helping of meat - LOL.

As to sailaway - yes, I took a look at your video - very nice. I realize they aren't for everyone - and everyone likes to do something different (shoot - if everyone attended - there would be no way to pack everyon in to the Lido deck). But I guess IMO, if you advertise a sailaway party - which HAL does, (they even offer special sailaway drinks - then the least they can do IMO is liven it up a bit and make it more of a party - even if it is just for that hour . Just something to start the fun flowing . Just my opinion

[superstein61]

I am thoroughly enjoying all the many parts of your review, superstein, and love your writing style and organization. I like that you are giving us the good and the bad and that something like the bbque is given a good grade, when so many have given it a thumbs down. Glad you enjoyed the cruise overall. :)

Did you or anyone else ever find out what the local Tortola festival or holiday was for? It would be interesting to know. I think sometimes we forget we are going into countries with different cultures, celebrations and customs. It is their country after all and they don't need to do things like those of us in North America nor should we expect them to just because we arrive on a certain day on a ship. It sounds like your experience was a lot like a foreigner to the U.S. might feel being dropped into New Orleans during Mardi Gras with no explanation! :D
Bookworm - thanks. I had actually read about the festival on some BVI link before we left - but it didn't go into a lot of detail and wouldn't have prepared me for what we experienced. But just for fun, I just did a Google search and found this description from 2001:

The August Festival Celebration is the biggest cultural event of the year in the British Virgin Islands and visitors delight in joining in the fun! The Festival commemorates the emancipation proclamation of Friday, August 1st, 1834 which marked the abolition of slavery in the British Virgin Islands. The proclamation was read aloud to the general population of Tortola on Monday, August 4th, 1834 at the Sunday Morning Well. Since then, the first Monday in August has been a day of celebration in the BVI.

Modern day celebrations begin with the opening of the Festival Village in Road Town (approximately a week before Festival Monday) and continue until the first Wednesday of August when a parade takes place in East End. Among the activities of this lively celebration are:

It lists several things but this is my guess as to what we experienced:

Rise and Shine Tramp (or Jump Up) - Road Town, Tortola
Not for the faint of heart (or those of us who like to be tucked snugly in our beds in the early morning hours), the Rise and Shine Tramp is the embodiment of "energy" and the precursor to the Grand Parade. Beginning around midnight on Festival Monday, the tramp follows the parade route down Main Street. During the tramp several bands (on flatbed trailers) proceed very slowly through town, towed by trucks. The revelers dance, sing and generally party their way through the night and along the parade route

[Giorgi-one]

Superstein:

I have stayed at Marriott Marina several times and always got a room with view of the ports. I just asked when I checked in. Could be they were all taken?

[lindacat]

Thanks for the review. I am enjoying it very much.

Linda

[WJBonds]

I'm one of the board "lurkers" who reads alot but does not frequently comment. I'm also an experienced "cruiser" and experienced diner.

I thought your review was super. Too many reviews from people with absolutely no cruise, travel, or dining experiences.

After about 14 cruises on many different lines I've come to believe that the best most ships can do is prepare food like a fine caterer. With rare exception is a meal on board a ship the equivelent of a fine restaurant.

Thanks for spelling out your feelings of the trip warts and all.

[Kylie]

superstein -
In reply to your 'deuling ferries' question - we made it to the building before they started fighting over us. We chose Smith's Ferry because that lady wasn't 'in your face' as much as the guy at Speedy's (the windows are next to each other so they can both hollar at you at the same time). Actually we had already decided to go with Smith's because of recommendations on this board but that day Speedy's had the better deal if we had taken the time to listen although we were happy with what we got. We were glad that there were other people from the Zuiderdam on the ferry with us though. I think everyone was kind of watching out for each other (also why I remembered you!) and I don't think anyone would have gotten left at the Baths.
Thanks for the information about the festival - I did know it had something to do with Emancipation Day but you filled in some details. It took our taxi much longer than usual to get to the Baths that day because of a 'parade' of people dancing behind a flat bed that we had to follow most of the way.

[Giorgi-one]

superstein:

How difficult was the path down to the beach? Also, did you need swim fins for snorkeling off the beach?

[ekerr19]

Superstein-

Thank you for taking the time to post your review. I am enjoying it immensely.

One thing I'd like to comment on... the issue with Priceline. We've used Priceline twice. Both times we booked through Priceline we encountered problems. Both times we were treated as "less than" by airline personnel when problems arose during our travel. I vowed never again, not for air.

At any rate, I agree that you should not be treated as you were because you purchased through Priceline - but I do believe airline & hotel staff discriminate against Priceline purchased travel, JMO.

Please keep up the review - looking forward to hearing more. :)

[BnCCruisers]

Superstein...thanks for posting the detailed review. We are getting ready to go on the Zudi's Eastern route in a couple of weeks.

I am assuming that the festival on Road Town will be done by the end of August...did you hear anything to the contrary of that? Much like your daughter, my wife and I aren't into such activities.

Also, by my calculations, it took you about 30 minutes to get from the hotel to the port. Does that sound right?

Thanks again for all of the hints/tips/clues. We are staying at Amerisuites which has a free shuttle. We will plan on getting down there rightaway to get on one.

[doone]

From the Marriott, its more like 15 minutes or less, very close.

[divinggirl]

Locallady - I disagree. Hotels that participate with Priceline are not supposed to discriminate in handing out rooms. All Priceline customers are supposed to receive the same treatment non-priceline customers do.

I have used Priceline many times in the past - and was always pleased at those hotels. My experience at the Marriott , that was not the case. I do not know if it was because we were Priceline customers or not - but I had made my request for a room on a higher floor with a view months ago - and the Marriott did not accomodate that - so for that they get low marks from me.
Unfortunately, what they're "supposed to do" and what they actually do is well-published, and was several months to a year ago in the travel papers.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/12/07/TRGM239RJJ1.DTL

For my wedding at the Bellagio, I had friends who booked rooms at the Aladdin through vegas.com and others who booked the same room category through priceline...the one who booked directly thru vegas.com (and paid about $30 more) got upgraded to a suite, while the other got a room with a view of the A/C vent. When he asked why the upgrade, he was told it was because of his method of booking, plain and simple. If two people are booking the same room, the one who pays less WILL get the less desirable room, in the end.

In the past, especially after 9/11, the travel industry was hurting so badly they'd give anyone anything...now, it's more competitive and as it stands, you're starting to get what you pay for regarding online discount travel. Unfortunate, but undeniably true...:(

[ekerr19]

Unfortunately, what they're "supposed to do" and what they actually do is well-published, and was several months to a year ago in the travel papers.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/12/07/TRGM239RJJ1.DTL

For my wedding at the Bellagio, I had friends who booked rooms at the Aladdin through vegas.com and others who booked the same room category through priceline...the one who booked directly thru vegas.com (and paid about $30 more) got upgraded to a suite, while the other got a room with a view of the A/C vent. When he asked why the upgrade, he was told it was because of his method of booking, plain and simple. If two people are booking the same room, the one who pays less WILL get the less desirable room, in the end.

In the past, especially after 9/11, the travel industry was hurting so badly they'd give anyone anything...now, it's more competitive and as it stands, you're starting to get what you pay for regarding online discount travel. Unfortunate, but undeniably true...:(

divinggirl-

Thank you for the link. It just confirms what I believed about our two miserable experiences with Priceline. We were pretty much forced to buy addtional tickets for the final leg of our trip if we wanted a guaranty to arrive that day after we'd missed our connection (through no fault of our own) Delta told us because we had "bulk" tickets, we had to go stand-by, with no guarantee unless we purchased another ticket for the final leg. This was before 9/11, and most airlines were a bit more flexible back then.

[superstein61]

Superstein:

I have stayed at Marriott Marina several times and always got a room with view of the ports. I just asked when I checked in. Could be they were all taken?
Giorgi-one - could be. the thing that upsets me a little is I emailed the request several months ago - for a room with 2 beds on a higher floor with a view of the cruiseport - and they wrote back confirming it. I reiterated the request at check-in - so not sure what the problem was.

[superstein61]

I'm one of the board "lurkers" who reads alot but does not frequently comment. I'm also an experienced "cruiser" and experienced diner.

I thought your review was super. Too many reviews from people with absolutely no cruise, travel, or dining experiences.

After about 14 cruises on many different lines I've come to believe that the best most ships can do is prepare food like a fine caterer. With rare exception is a meal on board a ship the equivelent of a fine restaurant.

Thanks for spelling out your feelings of the trip warts and all.
WJBonds - Thanks, I appreciate it. I have had the good fortune to travel to some very nice places - in an old job of mine, I used to attend several conferences a year as well as one or two other business trips. Staying on the company dime allowed me to often bring my family along (just paying their airfar and meals) and/or eat at some top notch restaraunts. Add to that our vacations and it all adds up. In fact, my daughter, who is now 10, has been to more places as a youngster than I ever went to. When we visit Hawaii this spring for our 15th anniversary - it will be her 3rd trip there. She doesn't realize how good she has it. So I guess I am a bit picky when comparing food

[superstein61]

superstein -
In reply to your 'deuling ferries' question - we made it to the building before they started fighting over us. We chose Smith's Ferry because that lady wasn't 'in your face' as much as the guy at Speedy's (the windows are next to each other so they can both hollar at you at the same time). Actually we had already decided to go with Smith's because of recommendations on this board but that day Speedy's had the better deal if we had taken the time to listen although we were happy with what we got. We were glad that there were other people from the Zuiderdam on the ferry with us though. I think everyone was kind of watching out for each other (also why I remembered you!) and I don't think anyone would have gotten left at the Baths.
Thanks for the information about the festival - I did know it had something to do with Emancipation Day but you filled in some details. It took our taxi much longer than usual to get to the Baths that day because of a 'parade' of people dancing behind a flat bed that we had to follow most of the way.
Kylie - thanks. Must be a strange way to run a business - with the two ferries and people there competing and yelling for your business. I didn't experience any from the windows - it was just the guys before hand. I guess the Speedy's window lady must have figured I was a lost cause when the Smith's guy brought me to Smith's window.

[superstein61]

superstein:

How difficult was the path down to the beach? Also, did you need swim fins for snorkeling off the beach?
Giorgi-one - I did not think the path was that difficult at all. it was well traveled, and there were a few spots you had to be careful, but overall, most people woul dnot find it a problem. Now if someone needed to use a cane or walker, then I might give it a few second thoughts.

We did not use any swim fins at the Baths to snorkel. We really didn't have to go out that far - and the current wasn't bad - so it really was easy for us to snorkle without fins (unlike Trunk Bay where I would recommend you use fins). I do believe the bar at the bottom of the baths rented snorkle equipment - so you could always try without fins and if need be, rent them later

[superstein61]

Superstein-

Thank you for taking the time to post your review. I am enjoying it immensely.

One thing I'd like to comment on... the issue with Priceline. We've used Priceline twice. Both times we booked through Priceline we encountered problems. Both times we were treated as "less than" by airline personnel when problems arose during our travel. I vowed never again, not for air.

At any rate, I agree that you should not be treated as you were because you purchased through Priceline - but I do believe airline & hotel staff discriminate against Priceline purchased travel, JMO.

Please keep up the review - looking forward to hearing more. :)
Ekerr - thanks. I haven't used Priceline for air - just hotels, and I guess this is the first time I was disappointed. I know I have read though of comments from people complaining of some hotels with their "special priceline" rooms - so your comments do not surprise me.

[superstein61]

Superstein...thanks for posting the detailed review. We are getting ready to go on the Zudi's Eastern route in a couple of weeks.

I am assuming that the festival on Road Town will be done by the end of August...did you hear anything to the contrary of that? Much like your daughter, my wife and I aren't into such activities.

Also, by my calculations, it took you about 30 minutes to get from the hotel to the port. Does that sound right?

Thanks again for all of the hints/tips/clues. We are staying at Amerisuites which has a free shuttle. We will plan on getting down there rightaway to get on one.BnCCruisers - thanks. Yes, the festival will be over by then. I think it is now - it was about a week long or so I recall.

It took us about 30 minutes from the Marriott to the ship - but we waited a while (probably at least 10 minutes) for a taxi. The main hangup is the traffic. Its really not that far of a distance. I would suggest you ask about the shuttle when you check in. I believe most places reserve spots on them - so you can try and get a nice time that suits you.

[superstein61]

Unfortunately, what they're "supposed to do" and what they actually do is well-published, and was several months to a year ago in the travel papers.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/12/07/TRGM239RJJ1.DTL

For my wedding at the Bellagio, I had friends who booked rooms at the Aladdin through vegas.com and others who booked the same room category through priceline...the one who booked directly thru vegas.com (and paid about $30 more) got upgraded to a suite, while the other got a room with a view of the A/C vent. When he asked why the upgrade, he was told it was because of his method of booking, plain and simple. If two people are booking the same room, the one who pays less WILL get the less desirable room, in the end.

In the past, especially after 9/11, the travel industry was hurting so badly they'd give anyone anything...now, it's more competitive and as it stands, you're starting to get what you pay for regarding online discount travel. Unfortunate, but undeniably true...:(
Divinggirl - thanks for the info. I had read about that occurring but never rreally experienced until this trip. Thanks

[Lois R]

Superstein, sorry your hotel experience was in the poor category for you and your family.

I haven't been to the HAL Pier (yet) but from X.....it was only about 7 minute cab ride....about 6.50..that was from Pier 66....I am staying at the Marriott this time...
Is the HAL Pier that much further away?....I will be taking a cab anyway...I enjoy the flexiblity;)

[doone]

Superstein, did you arrive at the hotel late in the afternoon or early evening? I am just curious as I stayed at the Marriott last March and they just about asked me where I wanted my rooms to be. I said I didn't care, mom and dad wanted to overlook the water so they could see the ship. They accomodated us. Perhaps the hotel was sold out??? I am just trying to understand.

Lois, no the pier isn't further, probably the same distance, or a tad bit longer, than Pier 66. The Marriott is across the water from Pier 66, just about.

[Lois R]

Doone, thanks:) ...I know where both hotels are located...that is why I was curious about the 30 minutes from the hotels to the ship:confused: ...but as Superstein had mentioned, they had a bit of traffic and had to wait for a cab.

I am always early:D ....I would rather sit at the pier than in the hotel;)

[superstein61]

NASSAU



OK, final port to review. It was an overcast and somewhat rainy day when we arrived in Nassau. Since we didn’t arrive til around noon, this was a chance to sleep in, grab a late breakfast (yes – back to my Omelet man) and then head up to the Crow’s Nest to watch the ship navigate its way in to Nassau. Was able to take some video – but the rain on the windows wasn’t fully cooperating.



Anyway, we dock and eventually the ship is cleared. Nassau is the one island we purchased an excursion from HAL. Typically I like to do things on our own – as I always find them less crowded, less costly , and we have more time – but on Nassau, we decided to do the Sea and See. I had booked this before leaving – based on my daughter’s past squeamishness at snorkeling and the fact that my wife would typically run out of the water at the first site of a fish. Plus we had taken an Atlantic submarine in Grand Cayman 2 years ago and loved it. This wasn’t quite a sub – but you sit in the hull of a boat 5 or 6 feet under water – so it’s a similar effect.



So we head off and meet up with the excursion group. We then follow the woman in charge all over the cruiseport until we get out and then walk over to where some ships are docked. We walk perilously inside the edge of the area -picture a cement barrier on your left with the street left of it, and water and boats directly on your right with no barrier – and a walkway about 24 inches wide to walk on down past a few boats until we reach ours.



Everyone made it onboard safely – and we begin the journey out to our awaiting sightseeing boat. Along the way, the weather clears and we receive a nice tour of Nassau and Paradise Island from the water. The boat’s skipper pointed out a lot of homes and who owned them. Once past the end of Paradise Island, our sightseeing boat is in sight – we pull up next to it and climb aboard then proceed down below and take our seats for an underwater view. The tour starts and then stops briefly for the crew to feed the fish. The feeding frenzy we witness underneath the water is quite interesting as fish are swarming all over. Eventually my daughter gets very excited and starts , somewhat loudly, saying Dad – look, a huge barracuda. Well, just then I saw it too – quite a sight. It came and went a couple of times – and the crew informed us they named it Harry – and it usually would come around to play, and eat when they fed the fish.



After this, the boat motors off and takes a tour around the area – so we can see a wide variety of other underwater life, coral, seagrass, and even a shark. Yep, a SHARK. OK, well it was a smaller nurse shark – but still, it was impressive to see.



The underwater portion of the tour was very nice and just the right length. Finally though as time was up, it was back up on deck to await the ship to take us back to Nassau for the land portion of the tour.



For the land portion, we split into two groups and boarded some smaller van type busses. The driver was nice and showed us the sites – but quite frankly, there was not a lot the impressed me. Probably the most interesting thing was very early on at the docks – seeing all the conch stands and hearing our driver explain that all the locals love conch – especially the men because – ummmmm, well there was something about increased stamina and rock hard – LOL. He said he had to keep it PG since there were kids on board.



We did make one stop near the watertower and fort that provided some nice views for a few pictures – then it was back on the bus to the dock. We had about 2 hours before the ship left, but we passed on doing any shopping or visiting the straw market. My daughter had spent her allotted funds in St Thomas – so we just headed back on board.



After a nice dinner on board, the evening brought encore performances by Joel Mason, the tremendous Elton John impersonator as well as the Magician and a cameo appearance by the juggler. It was nice to see Joel mason again – as he really was tremendous.



After that – all that was left to do was pack, put the suitcases out by the door, and hit the midnight snack area one final time . Actually, we didn’t visit for midnight snacks often – I was probably there 3 or 4 out of the 7 days – but they did have a nice selection with Pizza and pasta – which seemed quite popular, a different themed buffet and of course – the ice cream bar (my main reason to visit). Like most cruises I experienced, the midnight snack area was much more crowded this last evening than any other evening – as I guess everyone wanted to partake of the food one last time.



RECAP:



The Good: the underwater portion of the See and Sea tour, encore performances by Joel Mason



The Bad: The land portion of same tour

[superstein61]

Superstein, sorry your hotel experience was in the poor category for you and your family.

I haven't been to the HAL Pier (yet) but from X.....it was only about 7 minute cab ride....about 6.50..that was from Pier 66....I am staying at the Marriott this time...
Is the HAL Pier that much further away?....I will be taking a cab anyway...I enjoy the flexiblity;)Lois - no, I think it was the traffic and everyone having to go in thru the one entrance due to security which delayed things. That plus I think we waited about 10 of the 30 minutes just for a cab to arrive.

I recall our ride in the past from the Embassy Suites being in that same 7 minute range

[superstein61]

Superstein, did you arrive at the hotel late in the afternoon or early evening? I am just curious as I stayed at the Marriott last March and they just about asked me where I wanted my rooms to be. I said I didn't care, mom and dad wanted to overlook the water so they could see the ship. They accomodated us. Perhaps the hotel was sold out??? I am just trying to understand.

Lois, no the pier isn't further, probably the same distance, or a tad bit longer, than Pier 66. The Marriott is across the water from Pier 66, just about.
Doone - we arrived at the Marriott around 6pm. I don't know if they were sold out or not, the clerk never said anything - and me, not knowing where the room he gave us was until we walked there, didn't question him then for something better. But I did mention when we first got to the desk and said we were checking in my name, and that we would like a room high up with a cruiseport view as per my email. he basically just didn't say anything, and gave us teh room, etc we ended up in

[HeatherInFlorida]

So we head off and meet up with the excursion group. We then follow the woman in charge all over the cruiseport until we get out and then walk over to where some ships are docked. We walk perilously inside the edge of the area -picture a cement barrier on your left with the street left of it, and water and boats directly on your right with no barrier – and a walkway about 24 inches wide to walk on down past a few boats until we reach ours. LOL:D because that experience was one of our worst ever....following tht woman with her placard in the air ... practically running. And they were filming a Bond movie so it was worse than usual.

And that area where you board the little boats!!! Unbelievable. I couldn't get away from Nassau soon enough. This time we arrive at 7am and leave at noon and I've decided that, for me, it's a perfect day to sleep in and explore the ship:) . I've seen all of Nassau I ever need to see.

Superstein, great review. Thanks so much. Now we get all the terrible stuff about us "old" people????;) Okay, I'm ready.

[Vicar]

Superstein,


Great review, very informative and very objective.

Like everything in life, there will be things you will enjoy and things that you will not. Overall though it sounds like you had a great time . I am glad :)

thanks again for sharing your experiences :)

[ekerr19]

LOL:D because that experience was one of our worst ever....following tht woman with her placard in the air ... practically running. And they were filming a Bond movie so it was worse than usual.

And that area where you board the little boats!!! Unbelievable. I couldn't get away from Nassau soon enough. This time we arrive at 7am and leave at noon and I've decided that, for me, it's a perfect day to sleep in and explore the ship:) . I've seen all of Nassau I ever need to see.

Superstein, great review. Thanks so much. Now we get all the terrible stuff about us "old" people????;) Okay, I'm ready.

Heather-

I'm with you! I thought he posted earlier about the pushy old folks... could be wrong - but, Superstein - do tell all! :)

[srpilo]

Superstein61

Somebody just posted they were refused a second entree in the dining room , did you hear or experience anything like that ??

Srpilo

[Cookwise]

Superstein61-
I'm loving your review. We are doing this itinerary in November. Your Tortola review was so helpful. I am glad to know we can do the Baths on our own. I was under the impression that you couldn't get there w/o doing the ship excursion.
A few questions-
Were there chairs and umbrellas to rent at the baths or do you just bring a towel to lay on?
Can you give me an idea of the price per person you paid each way for Smith's ferry and safari taxi to the Baths?
Is there a Bath's entrance fee?
When you left the baths, did you have to call a taxi or did Smith's safari came back at a prearranged time?
Just trying tofigure out how much cash we'll need.
Thanks so much for the info. You have been so patient answering everyone's comments.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Superstein61

Have enjoyed reading your review of your cruise on the Zuiderdam.

By the way - what part of the Pittsburgh area are you from?

[BillandKateC]

Great Review
You said that you stopped at a supermarket and purchased soda in 12 packs. My question is how did you get the 12 packs on board. Did anyone from HAL say anything about the soda and where did you store the soda once you had it on the ship. Did your room have a small fridge.
Thanks Again

Bill and Kate

We are on the Zuiderdam Oct 16th

[HeatherInFlorida]

Darn, I'm going to miss Superstein's next installment. We're away for a long weekend and won't be back 'til Sunday night. Hope I can find it when we get back!!!:D

[superstein61]

Heather-

I'm with you! I thought he posted earlier about the pushy old folks... could be wrong - but, Superstein - do tell all! :)
Thanks all for the comments.

OK, next installment will cover the pushy old folks :D Just a few - but they were annoying. Unfortunately Its late tonight so I probably won't write it up til tomorrow

[superstein61]

Superstein61

Somebody just posted they were refused a second entree in the dining room , did you hear or experience anything like that ??

Srpilo
Srpilo - I do not know about this - no one at our table requested a 2nd entree. I did have extra steak at the on deck BBQ qith no problem but I can't comment on a 2nd entree in the dining room.

I will say one day, my daughter not liking any of the appetizers, soup or salad - asked our waiter if by chance they had any shrimp cocktail hidden away that he could bring her. he said, no, no - but a little bit later, he did bring a goblet filled with the small, baby shrimp (the kind they use on salads).

[superstein61]

Superstein61-
I'm loving your review. We are doing this itinerary in November. Your Tortola review was so helpful. I am glad to know we can do the Baths on our own. I was under the impression that you couldn't get there w/o doing the ship excursion.
A few questions-
Were there chairs and umbrellas to rent at the baths or do you just bring a towel to lay on?
Can you give me an idea of the price per person you paid each way for Smith's ferry and safari taxi to the Baths?
Is there a Bath's entrance fee?
When you left the baths, did you have to call a taxi or did Smith's safari came back at a prearranged time?
Just trying tofigure out how much cash we'll need.
Thanks so much for the info. You have been so patient answering everyone's comments.
Cookwise - thanks.

yes - going to the Baths on your own is pretty easy.

No chairs or umbrellas on the beach - we just laid on the towels from the ship. There is a small bar there and several picnic tables under a shelter if you want out of the sun for a while. Plus the beach isn't that wide - so you could sit near the back of it and be in some shade if you wanted.

If I recall correctly, it was $19 per person for a roundtrip ferry ride which included roundtrip taxi to the baths. I may be off a few dollars as it was chaotic that morning in Tortola - but I think that was it.

There is a small charge at the Baths - $2 or $3 per adult I recall.

No need to call a taxi when leaving - we prearranged a return time with the safari taxi that dropped us off in the morning

[superstein61]

Superstein61

Have enjoyed reading your review of your cruise on the Zuiderdam.

By the way - what part of the Pittsburgh area are you from?

Thanks. We live in the South Hills portion of Pittsburgh

[superstein61]

Great Review
You said that you stopped at a supermarket and purchased soda in 12 packs. My question is how did you get the 12 packs on board. Did anyone from HAL say anything about the soda and where did you store the soda once you had it on the ship. Did your room have a small fridge.
Thanks Again

Bill and Kate

We are on the Zuiderdam Oct 16th
Thanks Bill and Kate. I carried two 12 packs of soda in my carryon on board. Went thru HALs caryon luggage screening and all - and no one stopped or questioned me. Could have been 24 cans of beer for all they knew - but they didn't bother to check.

The room does have a small fridge - but its full with HALs minibar. We just kept the soda in our closest - and our room steward did a terrific job ensuring our ice bucket was always full.

i am sure you could probably remove some of the mini-bar things if you wanted to refrigerate a few cans - but with the readily available ice, we saw no need to

[Vic The Parrot]

Hey dude

Nice review. It gave the essence of your trip.



But.....


Did you REALLY bring a blender with you? LOL
Where did you pack it? Didn't security give you a hard time?
Just had to ask. I heard someplace that it's a no-no
packing electronic equipment in baggage.

I guess if you were'nt hassled, I can pack my portable radio
in my suitcase next time I fly.

Thanks for your input


vic

[Cookwise]

Superstein 61-

What were your port hours in Nassau? I have seen conflicting times on many websites. Some say 12-6, others 12-7, and HAL says 12-9. I hestitate to take HAL at its word due to the many port changes they've made recently to this itinerary. What time did you have to be back on the ship? I may try to do the Atlantis/ Comfort Suites day and am trying to figure out if I really have the time to do it or not.

Thanks again!

[superstein61]

Hey dude

Nice review. It gave the essence of your trip.



But.....


Did you REALLY bring a blender with you? LOL
Where did you pack it? Didn't security give you a hard time?
Just had to ask. I heard someplace that it's a no-no
packing electronic equipment in baggage.

I guess if you were'nt hassled, I can pack my portable radio
in my suitcase next time I fly.

Thanks for your input


vicVic

Thanks. Yes - I really brought my blender :D But its one of those handheld portable blenders like this:

http://www.consumer.philips.com/global/b2c/dap/catalog/subcategory.jhtml;jsessionid=5LZTPZ3JI4XK3J0RMRERX 2VHKFSEKHAW?divId=1&groupId=MYKITCHEN&catId=MYK_BLENDINGANDJUICING&subCatId=BL_HANDBLENDERS


No problem at all with security.

Don't leave home without your trusty blender !!!:D

[superstein61]

Superstein 61-

What were your port hours in Nassau? I have seen conflicting times on many websites. Some say 12-6, others 12-7, and HAL says 12-9. I hestitate to take HAL at its word due to the many port changes they've made recently to this itinerary. What time did you have to be back on the ship? I may try to do the Atlantis/ Comfort Suites day and am trying to figure out if I really have the time to do it or not.

Thanks again!
Cookwise - port times in Nassau were 12-7. I believe you had to be back on board by 6:30 at the latest (can't say for sure since we were back earlier - but I do know they let go all lines to sail away at 7pm (and based on all the other ports - this usually occurred 30 minutes after last call to be onboard).

[superstein61]

Sorry - been busy lately - will hopefully finish the last couple sections of the review soon

[RevNeal]

superstein61, NEVER feel you have to apologize for being busy in the "real world"!!! We all know that -- GASP -- there are times when a few things must take priority over what happens here!!!! ;)

[HeatherInFlorida]

Well, Superstein, we're back and thankfully I didn't miss your review of the old fogies:D . And now I really do feel old because on our way back from beautiful Fernandina Beach, we did an overnight at DisneyWorld with our grandchildren. What an experience. And I can safely say, never again in Magic Kingdom. Epcot, yes, but we've seen the last of the Magic Kingdom.

And now, back to cruising and Superstein's next installment!:eek:

[Peggy Sue]

thanks for sharing your experiences.

We have had the pleasure of enjoying the chocolate volcano at Roys in Hawaii..in fact, we loved it so much we purchased the kit to make them at home...everyone loves them. Thanks for reminding me of a happy hawaii memory! The night we dined in the Pinnacle (May 03/Zuiderdam) we were NOT impressed. Service was VERY BAD, my steak, which I order rare, was almost well done, they did bring out another one, but it was medium, and DH was finshed with his meal, so I just gave up. I thought the sides were just so-so and our volcano cake was really soupy..like it hadn't been fully cooked. We canceled reservations for later in the week.

We will be on the volendam later this year and we will try again..every kitchen, wait staff etc. is different. Well see..maybe this time we will be singing their praises. We did enjoy all the other meals on the zuiderdam.

We stayed at the Marriott last year and used their shuttle..got on the first one. we had a room in the tower that overlooked the inner coastal waterway. They originally put us in a room that did indeed overlook the curise port, but it smelled so badly of cig smoke that we immediately asked to be moved. we'll be staying there again in Nov. prior to our Volendam cruise. Maybe we'll luck out and the construction will be over??!!

Sailaway - we've sailed on Disney twice - 3 night and 4 night cruises. Agree their sail away parties are quite festive..but I think it goes along with the overall feel of the ship. Obviously they have a lot of kids on board and they do a great job getting family up and jumping around with all the disney gang. We enjoy being out, listening to the music, having and drink and watching land slip away as we sail out to sea. I don't recall the hal sailway last year..i think we had a downpour during the safety drill, and we just stayed on our verandah sipping drinks and happy to be under way.

Looking forward to the remainder of your review.

[gliles]

Sorry to dredge up an old post but I was really into it and then it just stopped, I thought there was to be one more part? :eek:

[superstein61]

Sorry to dredge up an old post but I was really into it and then it just stopped, I thought there was to be one more part? :eek:
gliles - yes - I stopped before finishing. Got busy with school starting back up - coaching 2 youth soccer teams (which is taking up 4 or 5 nights a week) and lately with helping with the flood cleanup. I have been meaning to finish it - but haven't found the time and motivation to sit down and do so lately.

I will try though