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WallyB
August 20th, 2004, 01:21 AM
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WallyB
Cool Cruiser Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Bel Air, Maryland
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Mechanical Problems

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Mechanical Problems

I was on the August 7 -14 cruise on the Zuiderdam.

I have been on 27 cruises and I believe that I am experienced enough to declare that this cruise was a calamity. This was my second Holland America cruise and probably my last.

The Holland America Zuiderdam is a very elegant ship. The cuisine was admirable. The service was first-rate. The foremost mechanical problem on the Zuiderdam was with the air conditioning system. I was aware of the air-conditioning problems on this ship from information gleaned from the Cruise Critic web site. I should have expected it. Anyway, there wasn't a cool public room on this dam ship. They refer to the ships in their fleet as dam ships. In every room I would break out in a sweat, whether we were eating in the dinning room, having a snack in the Lido restaurant, playing cards in the casino, or watching a production in the theatre.

On Friday, the last full day of our cruise, we received a letter informing us that the crew would be working on the air-conditioning system while the passengers were ashore at Half Moon Cay. Nevertheless, when we returned to the ship there was no noticeable difference in the temperature on board this vessel.

It was very warm in my cabin all week and impossible to sleep there. I had cabin # 7111, on the Rotterdam deck. The first couple of days I repeatedly complained and on four different occasions I requested repair service for the air-conditioning. After being unable to repair the air-conditioning they placed a fan in my cabin. After sleeping with the fan on me every night, which just circulated warm air around the room, I came home with a severe head and chest cold.

Throughout the entire cruise there were two restrooms that were “out of order”. In fact the door handles had been removed from both restrooms to prevent anyone from entering these restrooms. The most essential restroom that was out of order was located on the Lido Deck Aft, between the Lido restaurant and the aft pool. Of all places to have a restroom out of order! There were many children using the aft pool and one can only image where they went to the bathroom when they discovered they couldn’t use this restroom. Also, it would have been nice to be able to wash your hands before food handling in the Lido restaurant. I observed children come in from the pool area and help themselves to food located on the buffet without even having the opportunity to wash their hands. The other important restroom that was out of order the entire cruise was located on the Promenade Deck between the Atrium and the shops.

The shipboard Internet was out of service on Tuesday evening, and all day Wednesday. I wonder if they only fixed this problem because this service generates income for the ship?

Finally, I was glad that the ship was diverted from the Cayman Islands to Nassau in the Bahamas to avoid a confrontation with Tropical Storm Charley.

Our flight was on time and we arrived home without incident. However, since I arrived home I have been suffering with a very severe head and chest cold. Thanks to the air-conditioning problems on the Zuiderdam I spent both Sunday and Monday in bed. I am feeling a little bit better today.

tomc
August 20th, 2004, 02:00 AM
Wally --

It's really unfortunate you had these problems, but remember that they are not HAL problems, but ship problems. It can happen anywhere, any time. The problems resolve themselves into three areas: (1) Air conditioning, (2) Two restrooms, (3) The internet cafe.

I think a major ship-wide a/c problem will be a bear to fix. As you said, you requested repair service for it, but you noted it was everywhere in the ship, so I assume the difficulty was up above the Sports Deck where the main unit is located. If you were up there and it was really quiet, that would indicate the central a/c was not working at all. It's pretty noisy, so you would notice it.

Two restrooms closed aren't bad, but --yeah-- you don't need one of them to be near the pool. I'm not familiar with the Zui layout, but on the other ships I think there are restrooms on either end of the Lido restaurant. If the kids can be taught that yellow food dye does not belong in the pool, they can make it thru the restaurant.

The internet cafe is a separate concession, not under the control of HAL. It doesn't get fixed any quicker because HAL makes a commission. Digital Seas Inc (DSI) and/or their parent company runs that little cash register. And you can be sure it's a license to print money.

stillfrantic
August 20th, 2004, 05:55 AM
The AC issue I've seen mentioned a lot lately has me a little concerned. I previously disn't read that complaint. Is this a new issue? Has anyone recently NOT noticed the problem and felt the ship was nice and cool?

Krazy Kruizers
August 20th, 2004, 07:11 AM
So sorry that you had a bad cruise on the Zuiderdam. Just because of a few problems and the fact that you got a cold, don't give up on HAL.

Try one of the other ships.

dexter
August 20th, 2004, 07:29 AM
Man I hate to read stuff like this...we leave 8/28. If it ain't cold...it ain't fun!!!!

doone
August 20th, 2004, 07:38 AM
Don't give up on HAL, mechanical problems can happen at any time, on any ship with any cruise line. I have been fortunate to never have experienced any mechanical problems on any of my cruises and I have been sailing for well over 20 years, so please give them a try again.

dexter
August 20th, 2004, 07:46 AM
WELL...has the problem been fixed. Anyone on last weeks' cruise please let us know.

Sierrachik
August 20th, 2004, 08:15 AM
WELL...has the problem been fixed. Anyone on last weeks' cruise please let us know.
It'll be a couple of days yet before we hear, most likely. Last week's sailing doesn't return til tomorrow.

spcl4cs_gal
August 20th, 2004, 08:21 AM
Sure hope they have it fixed for the group of us who are sailing on Saturday. Whew it'll be really hot if it isn't. :(

Jewelfine
August 20th, 2004, 09:09 AM
I hope it is fixed too - the only reason I can bear to go to the Carribean in the summer is because on a cruise ship you can always find a "cool" place

stillfrantic
August 20th, 2004, 09:20 AM
How hot are we talking? Not cold? Tepid temps, or unable to enjoy oneself because of the Caribbean heat and humidity?

mhshapiro
August 20th, 2004, 09:28 AM
If the air conditioning problem is as bad as stated, then HAL should cancel a cruise to put the ship into a yard where proper repairs can be made.

sail7seas
August 20th, 2004, 09:39 AM
I'm sorry you had a less than perfect cruise. Hope your next is more to your liking. Glad to hear you are feeling better.

dst
August 20th, 2004, 10:30 AM
We were on the July 24th Western Cruise and noticed that there were some warm spots but really our cabin was fine and I think that the a/c was working fine.

What people forget is that in the summer the Caribbean can be extremely hot and there is only so much that an a/c can do. It definately cooled down the rooms and ship but it was not 65'.....I don't think any a/c would be able to do that considering the outside temp. If you don't like heat why would you take a cruise in July/August in the Caribbean

Glad to hear you are feeling better.....

jhannah
August 20th, 2004, 11:10 AM
After sleeping with the fan on me every night, which just circulated warm air around the room, I came home with a severe head and chest cold.I'm sorry you contracted a cold while vacationing. That's no fun. However, contrary to popular belief, the A/C or fans had nothing to do with your cold. A cold is a virus. Fans don't cause viruses. The hygiene issue you mentioned with regard to the children and the buffet is what leads to the spread of viruses of all sorts ... including Norwalk.

Do give HAL another try.

tomc
August 20th, 2004, 11:17 AM
The way he spoke, it sounded like a ship-wide breakdown and a rather serious one at that. Of course, the extent of the cooling is a matter of personal taste and it's also a matter of how much humidity the unit can take out of the air. A friend of mine keeps her a/c at 81-83 degrees because the humidity is reduced and that temp is quite comfortable.

Giorgi-one
August 20th, 2004, 11:58 AM
tomoc:
What do you mean it's not a HAL problem, it's a ship problem. Is HAL only responsible for problems at headquarters in Seattle? Who would I complain to about problems on the ship?

We had similar experience on July 3rd cruise. Not every day, but off and on air conditioning. My guess is that they have a major problem and it is getting worse.

Also, there is a big difference between heat and humidity in the summer and winter in the caribbean. You can almost do without AC on many winter days, but it is brutal in the summer.

stillfrantic
August 20th, 2004, 12:48 PM
If you don't like heat why would you take a cruise in July/August in the Caribbean
I was kind of expecting to be hot on deck and cool off in the pool, or be hot outside and go inside to cool off. I didn't really plan on being INSIDE and have have to go get in the pool to cool off.

dakrewser
August 20th, 2004, 12:59 PM
tomoc:
What do you mean it's not a HAL problem, it's a ship problem. Is HAL only responsible for problems at headquarters in Seattle? Who would I complain to about problems on the ship?
I believe he meant (at least that's how I read it) that the "problem" only affects one ship, not the entire fleet.....

tomc
August 20th, 2004, 01:46 PM
That's what I meant. It's not a policy matter, not a fleet-wide difficulty. It's a problem with one ship, not with HAL as a company. Therefore, leaving HAL over a ship problem is a far different response than leaving HAL because, for instance, the fleet's menu choices have been cut in half and are too bland.

TylerRose
August 20th, 2004, 01:54 PM
I don't think the problem is exclusively the Z's a/c. I think it is their ventilation system. We awoke every morning to a cabin smelling yummy, like the chef was in there with us. It got really bad one morning when the fried chicken smell was so Strong I Had TO DRESS AND Run up to EAT SOME... THEN I HAD TO WAIT TIL LUNCH FOR THEM TO actually SERVE IT!

There are definately spots that are less warm than others.
Here is what you as a cruiser on board her can do to help!

Every time you pass through the Lido and the kids have left the doors open shut them. My DH and I seemed to constantly find the doors ajar.
Drink water frequently, and treat youself to Ice Coffees, etc.
Bring only light weight clothing.
Close your curtains during the day if you are not enjoying the view... We found this to help the temp quite a bit.
We always tried to sit on the side of the LIDO not in direct sunlight.

The ship is not always as cool as i'd have liked, but it was WAY COOLER than the outside areas, so don't panic.

Jewelfine
August 20th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Thanx TylerRose - That made me feel a little better - only one more week!

dst
August 20th, 2004, 02:28 PM
maybe it is just individual preference, we really did not notice it being ectremely hot. It was warm but that was to be expected. Our cabin cooled off nicely. One thing they did tell everyone was not to leave the balcony doors open and the a/c on becasue it causes problems and I know that a lot of people did that. Maybe thats why it wasn't working correctly

kryos
August 20th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Man I hate to read stuff like this...we leave 8/28. If it ain't cold...it ain't fun!!!!
Amen! I'm on that same cruise. I sure hope they get these problems fixed, because without air conditioning, it's not going to be a very pleasant 14-days. :(

I think fixing these sorts of things is difficult because the ship is not at dock all that much. Even at the various ports, do they have the facilities for major repairs?

When a ship does constant sailings, b2b every week, it would seem major systems problems would be difficult to fix. Shame they don't schedule in a "down week" every so often, specifically to overhaul systems that were showing signs of failing.

Blue skies ...

--rita

jhannah
August 20th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Shame they don't schedule in a "down week" every so often, specifically to overhaul systems that were showing signs of failing.They do. Just not as often as once per year. Imagine the annual cost of losing a whole week of full-ship revenue times the number of vessels in the fleet. It's cheaper to make some concessions/refunds/credits when really bad stuff happens.

bepsf
August 20th, 2004, 08:11 PM
My understanding is that the lines try as much as possible to do running maintenance/repairs - ie: they have a staff of people on board to do their work while the ship is cruising. For example, they will often run on 2 out of 3 engines to do maintenance on the 3rd. (they gotta change the oil on those diesels sometime...)

I'd bet that there was more to the AC problem than just a faulty unit - I can't imagine that a ship of that size would have only 1 AC compressor to cool an entire ship. (or that there is even a single compressor BIG enough to do so) There's gotta be more to this story...

Jacqueline
August 20th, 2004, 08:19 PM
I think a substantive problem being mixed in with two minor ones- internet problems (which are pretty common on ships) and bathrooms being out- which also can happen-anywhere.

cruzlover56
August 20th, 2004, 08:35 PM
When I was on the Z in July the A/C was running water into the Internet Cafe the first week and shut off while they worked on it the second. There were also spots throughout the ship the second week that were definately A/C challenged.

The two day Internet Cafe shut down was probably the software upgrades on all the PC's that Terry the Internet Cafe supervisor was discussing with me. Not all upgrades are simple and there was concern that they would cause some problems with the existing programs.

hpatten
August 20th, 2004, 08:49 PM
I was also on the aug 7-14 cruise. I had no problems with AC. Our stated room was on deck 4 and the AC worked well. The only stuffy place we experineced was the mid ship pool area when they keep the roof close. It gets very humid in that area, otherwise I found all other areas of the ship just fine.

taszmom
August 20th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Just kidding...but I noticed that a lot of people who had issue with A/C were northerners...Personally, I think the ship's A/C is too cold anyway! I'm always wearing a sweater! I was a northerner myself, now acclamated to the heat & humidty here in Florida after 20 years. Guess I'll be opening that balcony door for some some ocean breezes and I won't have to pack that sweater after all!

Florida Lady
August 21st, 2004, 05:38 PM
The AC is still not working properly on the Zuiderdam. We have cruised many times in June, July and August so don't tell me that thats the reason it was hot on the Zuiderdam. I Europe last year the temp was OVER 100 and Celebrity's Millie was never hot. I believe that there are several reasons for the A/C problems:
1. There is no preventive maintenence being done to fix several of the broken doors on the ship. I found no less than 6 doors leading outside that did not line up when closed. Actually at one location, there was one Missing glass door leading out to the deck.
2. Hal was not running the A/C at all times. HIGH FUEL COSTS TRANSLATE into LESS AC. We found that the Lido was hot and stuffy. The only semi confortable spot was near the "WOK". The central atrium part of the ship appeared to be the most uncomfortable. We always keep the curtains closed during the day but we found we had to keep th A/C dial all the way up to try to keep the cabin cool. Many people conplained that their cabins were hot and stuufy ALL week. It depended on your cabin location.
3. I believe it may be a design problem. At Xmas we traveled on the OOSTERDAM, we froze in the Dinning Room, Other parts of the same room were hot and stuffy. I went to dinner with TWO shawls, my husband and son were cold in their tuxedos. All the people in our section complained about the cold but I still prefered being there than in the other section that was hot.

4.I am not sure HAL want to spend the Money to fix the A/C problem.

The a/c was the one of the many problems on the Zuiderdam.

Still a MAASDAM fan but NEVER AGAIN on the ZUIDERDAM.

taszmom
August 21st, 2004, 06:59 PM
a/c still not working right? that's strange.... spcl4cs_gal who is Z right now just posted on a another thread that a/c is working just fine.

Jacqueline
August 21st, 2004, 08:36 PM
I dont believe it is a design problem as there are no consistant complaints. The Westerdam was very comfortable on our Med cruise where the temps were sky high.

Florida Lady
August 21st, 2004, 11:03 PM
spcl4cs_gal just arrived on the Zuiderdam. It is now 11:00PM on Saturday. Her post was too early to really tell!! It was made shortly after her arrival. Lets give her a few more hours on the ship.

ekerr19
August 22nd, 2004, 01:44 AM
maybe it is just individual preference, we really did not notice it being ectremely hot. It was warm but that was to be expected. Our cabin cooled off nicely. One thing they did tell everyone was not to leave the balcony doors open and the a/c on becasue it causes problems and I know that a lot of people did that. Maybe thats why it wasn't working correctlydst-

I think you hit the nail on the head --- people leaving, propping, bungee-cording the balcony doors open...

It does affect the A/C ship-wide. Those that feel they "must" sleep with the balcony door open, should take heed for their fellow pax.

seaventurer
August 22nd, 2004, 01:46 AM
Just returning from the 8/14 ZUI cruise, there are problems consistent with this ship and they are not subjective. This was my second cruise on the ZUI and while I believe she is a fine ship, it has some serious flaws as confirmed by even the staff and crew.

I did not experience the A/C problems - my cabin in fact was freezing and I live in Miami and know what hot and humid is. However, many areas on the ship were very warm.

The ship is flawed in several areas although it excels in others. As you all may know, several of the rest rooms were added as an afterthought since the original ones were too few and far apart. If you have sailed on her, the added restrooms do not feature the normal signage and indicias designating them as rest rooms. For hand washing and sanitation, I always use the sterile dispensers accessible throughout the LIDO - tell your kids to do the same.

This ship was designed for Caribbean cruising - a region where summer temperatures and conditions can test any cooling system. The ZUI has problems in this area as indicated by the repeated conplaints and posts by our fellow passengers. There are too many open entries from the outside to the interior areas. The doors from the spa, lido (all of them) and the oak Room for example are always open allowing huge volumes of hot and humid air into the ships interior. Also, many of the newer ships including semi-sisters such as Costa's MED and ATL as well as Carnivals Spirit class ships have AC systems in the cabins which turn off if the balcony door is left open for more then 5 minutes. Where is this system on the Vista class ships? I left my balcony door cracked open with a towel in the jam every night and the AC kept working.

And why does the dome over the main pool stay mainly closed even when the weather is nice? It creates a huge mass of hot air which promotes even further problems...

Subjective issues: Cutting costs, I believe so. The bar staff outdoors consists of mainly one bartender at each of the two pool bars. The entertainment is really poor compared to other cruises. The water in the pools were never changed (filthy), no white chair covers on formal night, no signature stuff in the cabin except for the make-up mirror (where are the new linens and stuff?)...

My ZUI review will be posted soon...I had a really great cruise - met some super people, but beginning to wonder what drives HAL to sell their product as premium...?

shipcafe
August 23rd, 2004, 10:10 AM
If the interior and/or stateroom felt warm, why prop the door open all evening? Isn't that letting warm air in and creating inefficiencies for the a/c system?

Just Curious ..

dst
August 23rd, 2004, 10:25 AM
People don't think about the a/c being over worked they just want to hear the waves and ocean and lul them to sleep. If thats the case they could turn off the a/c

Sea: I look forward to your reveiw as I had the same concerns with the pool and the water, it was absolutely gross. I did not go into the pool and cooled off by showers around the pool. Looking forward to your review

Ziggy7
August 23rd, 2004, 12:01 PM
The AC issue I've seen mentioned a lot lately has me a little concerned. I previously disn't read that complaint. Is this a new issue? Has anyone recently NOT noticed the problem and felt the ship was nice and cool?
stillfrantic,
I was on the same ship at the same time and was shocked to read about the a/c problem. Our cabin had no problems with a/c and yes alot of places on the Lido deck were warm but it was very hot & humid outside so we just thought it was due to the openess to the outside on the lido deck.
Sorry to hear Wally's a/c was out that week :(

HeatherInFlorida
August 23rd, 2004, 05:45 PM
I think everyone who's concerned about their Zuiderdam cruise should also take a peek at Ziggy's review which appears on these boards. She was onboard for both the 8/7 and 8/14 weeks and her experience is entirely different. It's always good to read more than one view.

I'm wondering if possibly WallyB wasn't already coming down with something and had a bit of a fever during the week making him even more uncomfortable than he might have been. It often can take a week for a really bad cold to set in and he certainly would have felt really lousy if it was on its way. I sleep under a fan every night of my life and it has never given me a head cold.

We'll be on the Oosterdam and I'm actually hoping it has a little of the A/C problem because usually I absolutely freeze on cruiseships, particularly in the dining rooms. I generally feel hot so I know for a fact they overcool some of the public areas. The cabins, however, should be able to be adjusted by the passenger.

I think it's such a shame that this cruise was obviously totally and completely ruined for WallyB by a restroom and A/C problem. It seems a shame that there was nothing else good that tended to balance out these problems.

Happily we can read varying opinions on all these cruises and take a little bit from each as we go forth on our own cruises. Personally I like to read both the good and the bad and feel that no cruise, as with everything else in life, can be either all good or all bad.

ekerr19
August 23rd, 2004, 05:57 PM
I think that everyone reacts differently to A/C, heat and humidity. What is extremely humid for me, may be nothing to those of you in Florida. :)

The fact seems to be that many people have complained about the temperature on the Zui. Either it is too hot, too cool, just about right - well it's all subjective. I found it warm, especially late seating in the dining room. But then, we cruised the Caribbean in August - so go figure.

Heather-

I mean no disrepect, but one person having an awesome b-t-b may not mean that someone else might not experience problematic A/C issues. I don't think anyone should ever cancel his/her cruise based on someone else's experience, but the fact seems to be that the Zui is still having problems that some cruisers are experiencing.

It has been a "hot" topic in the past and I'm sure it will remain so.

I'm glad that most of the recent reports of the Zui have been so positive. :)

HeatherInFlorida
August 23rd, 2004, 06:20 PM
Ekerr, the only reason I mentioned Ziggy's review was not to suggest her experience was more credible. I was simply pointing out that there was another opinion given on these boards and someone seeing this one might have missed it. Personally, I like a balance.

And that's all I said.

ekerr19
August 23rd, 2004, 06:27 PM
Ekerr, the only reason I mentioned Ziggy's review was not to suggest her experience was more credible. I was simply pointing out that there was another opinion given on these boards and someone seeing this one might have missed it. Personally, I like a balance.

And that's all I said.

I understand. To me, your post read a bit differently, that's why I said I mean no dispect... and I hope you don't take it as such. :)

I like balance too. :) I enjoy reading the good with the bad - IMO, nothing is perfect. Will the little idiosyncrasies ruin my cruise? Probably not. :)

HeatherInFlorida
August 23rd, 2004, 06:43 PM
I understand. To me, your post read a bit differently, that's why I said I mean no dispect... and I hope you don't take it as such. :)

I like balance too. :) I enjoy reading the good with the bad - IMO, nothing is perfect. Will the little idiosyncrasies ruin my cruise? Probably not. :)
Because it read differently for you, it might for others. So luckily there was still time for me to edit and hopefully clear up any misunderstanding. Thanks for pointing it out!:)

ekerr19
August 23rd, 2004, 07:22 PM
Because it read differently for you, it might for others. So luckily there was still time for me to edit and hopefully clear up any misunderstanding. Thanks for pointing it out!:)
No problem. :)

I really didn't think you meant any disrespect to WallyB...

Edit: I really like that feature, sometimes, I'd be lost without it!

Jacqueline
August 23rd, 2004, 07:35 PM
The point is that the way this thread was titles lead one to believe that this is a ship wide problem as opposed to a more isolated one. This is where the fact that other posters had OK air conditioning is reassuring that there isnt a big mechanical problem on the Z as intimated in the OP.
On any one sailing there are unfortunately cabins that will have a problem of one sort or another. In fact same happens at hotels. My dad and son were on London for a week in a hotel (Churchill intercontinental( that had an ac problem because of reported LEGIONNAIRES disease ! Would not have been an issue but there was a heat wave that week !

Ziggy7
August 24th, 2004, 04:16 AM
I agree Jacqueline,

Just to give a good example of difference of opinions, my hubby was having a hard time with the hunidity as it was mostly 76% - 97% 24 hours around the clock. I was too but at night he had the a/c and fan on, and I had 2 blankets on :)
We also had alot of problems with our camera lenses fogging up when we went from inside to out side of the ship. Not just from our cabin to verandah either, so that must say something to the a/c working. Yes up on the Lido deck it is warmer, on one end you have the aft pool with the doors always opening and closing to the Lido resturant, then on the other side of the Lido resturant you have the midship pool with the ceiling wide open and the doors always opening and closing to the Lido resturant.
All in all I dont think most of the ships a/c was having problems, I think it was differences of opinions as to what everyones body tempature could handle.
I mean no offense to anyone, I'm sure some of the cabins had a/c problems, that happens everywhere, all I'm saying is I dont think it was shipwide.

dexter
August 24th, 2004, 06:30 AM
I have read all the reviews concerning the AC trouble and it does trouble me. I am from Georgia where it is almost always hot and humid and I was hoping to escape the heat for a week. I have been on 8 cruises in the past 3 years and they've all been to the Caribbean. I have never been hot on any of those cruises, so I don't understand how an almost new ship could be experiencing such problems. I hope cabin 7058 is cool and the dining rooms are comfortable...that's really all I care about.

Nasmas
August 24th, 2004, 07:33 AM
I have read all the reviews concerning the AC trouble and it does trouble me. I am from Georgia where it is almost always hot and humid and I was hoping to escape the heat for a week. I have been on 8 cruises in the past 3 years and they've all been to the Caribbean. I have never been hot on any of those cruises, so I don't understand how an almost new ship could be experiencing such problems. I hope cabin 7058 is cool and the dining rooms are comfortable...that's really all I care about.
I've never been hot either. I am usually freezing. I hope for my DH's sake it is working. He really gets hot. We're in 7069 on 09/04. When are you going? We'll be almost neighbors if you're on the same cruise.

dexter
August 24th, 2004, 07:43 AM
We're going this weekend 8/28. Can't wait. Hot or cold...it's a week away from work.

HeatherInFlorida
August 24th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Heat vs. cold is totally subjective when it comes to a/c. I can be sitting in someone's home or a restaurant and be perfectly comfortable while my good friend sits there talking about how hot she is. We will be literally feet away from each other and she's fanning herself.

Here in our own home my husband will say I have it too cold in the house at night (I set the temp at 73 for sleeping) and I'll find it warm. So everyone reacts differently to temperatures and humidity.