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Brenda33
February 1st, 2008, 08:53 AM
Hi. I am 43 years old. I have always been thin. Before I got pregnant with my last son (I have had 3 c-sections) I was 108 pounds. After that I averaged between 120 and 125. If I had a fat moment and got upset I was at 128!!! I am 5'3". So anyhow, since August I gained a ton of weight. I went all the way up to 143!!! KILL ME!!! My stomach is flabby and flops over the new jeans I had to buy because I couldn't even squeeze into the old ones. Anyhow, my wish is to be thin and sexy again before the summer and then to stay that way for my cruise which isn't until November. I started a diet 11 days ago and I have lost 5 pounds. Sounds good right? NOT!!...I lost those first 5 pounds by the 5th day. Now one week later and I have not lost anymore....NOTHING!! I have been eating extremely healthy. I have had 1 cup of high fiber cereal with 1/2 cup skim milk for breakfast, one cup homemade bean soup...NO FAT....for lunch, and I have either all veggies, like vegetable soup, or veggies with a piece of chicken breast for dinner. I have been riding a stationery bike for 30 minutes a day everyday except one so far! I will admit that I went out to dinner on Saturday night. I had mushrooms and chicken.....and a piece of bread and wine....BUT....it was one meal!!! Can one meal really ruin an entire diet? I mean it wasn't alfredo sauce and no dessert or anything. Ok, so I weigh 138 now. I want to get to a maximum of 125 pounds. Of course I would like to be thinner. But at this point I really just want to fit into my summer clothes. Please help....I want to look nice for my cruise!! THANKS!!!

thistoo
February 1st, 2008, 09:38 AM
Sounds like you might not be getting enough calories. You have to eat to lose weight or your body thinks you're starving and stores every calorie you give it. I'd say make sure you're eating at least 1000 calories a day and go from there.

Also remember that the first five pounds was probably water weight, which is pretty easy to drop, but after that it gets a lot harder, especially when you don't have that much to lose.

smoothdancer
February 1st, 2008, 02:08 PM
Alright Brenda, you asked for some advice so here it is! I have been just where you are so can speak easily from experience. It is just the simple truth and fact of life that it will never be easy again to loose weight quickly the way you do when you were a few years younger. Getting depressed or frantic will produce no good results; in fact this “stressing out” will slow down the process…. So step one has got to be to just get over it, accept that this time around loosing the weight is going to be harder, but absolutely “do-able and thin and sexy is within your reach.

The five pounds was a good start, and probably you lost extra water weight or just a jump start as a result of your reduced calories. From here on out it will slow down and yes some weeks you will loose no weight at all, and then all of a sudden a drop. It was not that one meal that stopped your weight loss, it is just this stop and go process you will see from here on out. My guess is that if you did not have that meal, you still would not have lost any weight. As much as loosing 5 pounds a week is fun, if you continued at this rate, reached your goal quick, in no time at all you would put it back on…. Really, slower is better in the long run.

The key to success is just to keep on going on, no matter if you loose weight or not. Do not let it get you down when you have a no weight loss week, just look forward to the next week when the scale may move. It will happen as long as you stick with it. At 50 I was in your position, and lost 30 pounds with many no weight loss weeks. What is the alternative? To stop.. that certainly won’t work, will it??? Just hang in there, maybe not on the schedule you want but it will happen….. You have plenty of time and I see no reason why you can’t be there by the summer, absolutely by your cruise.

Brenda33
February 1st, 2008, 02:40 PM
Thank you for the advice. I was told today that I may not be eating enough by a fitness expert. She told me to eat a piece of fruit in between meals to keep my metabolism up. I do remember that when I was younger if I gained weight I'd go on a "semi-diet" and the weight would leave almost instantly. Now its a huge struggle. I may join a gym on Monday. Getting out into the world and dealing with this with other people may help instead of sitting home feeling sorry for myself. I am still depressed though....but I am willing to try. This is why I came to this board. I need to chat with people to get tips and to help me through it. Along the way, maybe I can help someone too. Thanks again and keep all comments coming! :)

gerif
February 1st, 2008, 03:08 PM
Congratulations on the five pound loss. As others have already said, from here on in, you will be fortunate to loose 1-2 lbs. a week and there will be weeks with nothing showing on the scale. Don't let that discourage you - remember, you didn't gain it all in a few weeks and you're not going to lose it all in that amount of time either. You do need to factor in a couple of snacks during the day - maybe a piece of fruit or a protein bar.

I set out to lose 70 lbs. just before my 60th birthday - figured I couldn't help getting old but I didn't have to be old AND fat! Took about 18 months, including some backslides for cruises and other vacations and the fact that at this age my metabolism is basically in the toilet, but that was fine because I learned how to alter my way of eating permanently. This is so important - I remember years ago losing on ton on fen/phen - it was so quick and easy, but it came right back because I hadn't really changed anything. Now, just the smell of deep fried food (which I previously loved) makes me gag.

Joining a gym is a good move - while I have a couple of pieces of exercise equipment at home and a whole library of workout tapes (and now fitness on demand on my cable TV as well) - guess what? I never use any of it. I joined an inexpensive "no frills" gym where I can stop for an hour on my way home from work several times a week and burn a few hundred calories. Another "trick" that has served me well is to diary - everything that goes into my mouth gets written down. Sure cuts back on mindless eating when you know it has to go down on paper.

Good luck - keep us posted!

LauraJo08
February 1st, 2008, 07:54 PM
I think that the other people have given great advice, but in terms of exercise, one thing you have to think about is that riding a stationary bike for 30 minutes really doesn't burn THAT many calories (200-300), so why not try an elliptical machine because you will burn way more calories in the same amount of time and you get a much better workout on your heart. If you have an mp3 player, put some catchy fast paced songs on and your workout should be more fun. You can go on an elliptical and burn 200 calories in 10-12 minutes, so if you start there are build up your stamina, in 30 minutes you will be burning twice as many calories.

just a suggestion:D (we are lucky and have an elliptical in our basement, so I watch an hour long show while on it each day).

smoothdancer
February 2nd, 2008, 07:54 AM
More great advise you have gotten....

Yes, I do eat through out the day while keeping my calories around 1300 per day. Around ten each day I have apple slices with peanut butter(sounds horrible, is good!, good source of protien also), a 200 calorie lunch and then aound 3:30 which is about an hour and a half before I hit the gym I have Activita yougurt. I beleive these little snacks help keep my metabolism going.

Going to the gym is a great idea. This is one thing that in addition to the good things it will do for your body will get you out of that depressed state. It gives you this feeling that you are doing something about reaching your goal, so even if you dont loose weight in a week, you worked hard, your feel good about yourself and it actually keeps you wanting to keep on.

I use an elliptical machine every day for about 30 minutes and I push it hard. Unlike Laura there is no way I will burn that many calories in 15 minutes... It takes that 30 minutes of a heart rate of about 160 to reach the 250 mark.

Keep us up to date on your progress.. Hears hoping your frame of mind gets better.

Brenda33
February 2nd, 2008, 08:51 AM
No laughing....I really am a smart girl...lol....but what exactly is an eliptical machine? Is it weights? No MP3 for me. I am in the old fashioned world. I even still have some records! LOL

Today's plan is to have breakfast with my little guy (5 almost 6), then ride the bike. That will get the hard stuff out of the way. Tonight we are going out to dinner (we always do on Saturday night) and then we are going to see monster trucks with my little guy. Its part of his bday present. Hopefully, they don't have yummy popcorn, etc. being offered in the seats!

I appreciate all this help. And, good luck to everyone out there struggling like me. :)

Gathina
February 2nd, 2008, 11:03 AM
Here's another big fat ugly reality check. You have to REALLY exercise..not just 30 minutes on a bike..look at all the research out there for losing weight, reaslitically you need to be doing more like an hour of cardio daily and a couple days of weights. Try this website, www.stewsmith.com (http://www.stewsmith.com)

Another big fat ugly reality check. If your only burning a couple hundered calories a day, you should be cutting at least that much from your diet daily or you're not going to lose weight.

A realistic reality check: Eat fruits/vegetables, a couple of starches a day, and a couple of pieces of protein. READ the labels and WEIGH/MEASURE your food. DON'T eat anything out of a box, microwavable (those lean cuisines..sure they are low calorie but look at the sodium and the other garbage that's in there..you want that?) Yes, your stomach will complain with smaller portions but remember it got stretched out by getting fat. It'll rebound when it gets used to smaller portions.

Cook and make your own food. Too bad if you're busy. You have to suck it up and force yourself to adopt a lifestlye which means effort.

Getting fat requires no effort, getting thin and healthy does.

Look at Bardgal's thread on here.."Easiest Diet Ever" and you'll learn lots.

Good luck. Menina

Brenda33
February 2nd, 2008, 12:44 PM
Menina,

I didn't realize I needed more than 30 minutes daily!!! WOW!! Alright, I'll try to get into more exercise.

I DID, however, cut my calories daily by probably alot more than half. I am measuring my food also. I am eating fiber, veggies and sometimes chicken. I am drinking water. So unless I need more food my diet cannot be the problem. I always cook my own food. I never eat frozen foods.

Thanks again for your help. Hopefully, the gym will help.

smoothdancer
February 2nd, 2008, 12:50 PM
Let's put this in perspective....

We have a mom with young ones trying to get fit and loose weight... Every day cardio for an hour is just not going to happen. I would not set the bar that high. If she can, at home, get on the bike for 30 minutes, great.... Lets not set her up for failure.

If her habits with her hubby are dinner out every Saturday night, lets not talk about making her own meals on this day but a way to stay on track, going out.... We need to fit our weight loss program into our daily lives to make it in the long term. Drives my husband crazy but yup when we go out to dinner there is my lo- cal salad dressing that comes out of my purse so I know what I am consuming while still having a fun night out with my sweetie.....

Good lord, I thought it was great that she started out with 30 minutes of cardio. Myself I had to work up to that and felt darn good that I had progressed.

LOL Brenda, sorry about talking to you in the 3rd person....

An eliptical machine is also called a cross trainer... You are standing up with your feet in pads similar to sking.... It is on a incline plane and you can use the buttons to simulate climbing hills, or just flat.... Depending on what you pick, the incline goes up or down. Some also have hand bars that go backwards and forwards so it simulates a fast paced walk. (I hate these) When I began I "walked" flat and as time progressed I moved on the a up and down hill simulation. You can also pick the level of difficulty.

You are doing fine..... Have a great night out with the kiddies.

Brenda33
February 2nd, 2008, 01:12 PM
Smoothdancer,

A huge thank you. I was beginning to feel like a failure after that last poster told me I needed to step it up. I can honestly tell you that after 30 minutes on the bike I want to die. Every part of me hurts. I get tears in my eyes but I push on til I am done. So hearing I had to do more almost gave me a heart attack!!! My bike has the arm things that go back and forth....I HATE THAT PART! I remember hearing many times to make your diet a lifestyle change....something that you can live with. Well if I didn't go out on Saturday nights....sometimes with my family and sometimes just with DH, I would seriously feel like I was not living. Now normally before going to monster trucks we would go to someplace like Red Robin and I would chow down on a big huge burger with all kinds of bad for you toppings and don't forget those unlimited fries (i think they regretted that with me...lol)......but tonight I decided to go to this little Italian restaurant we frequent and I will make smart choices such as a salad with balsamic or even a shrimp cocktail and then a chicken dish or I even thought of the linguine with red clam sauce and just eating the clams and a couple bites of the linguine. Red sauce doesn't have much fat and if i limit the carbs part I thought it was good.

Thank you for making me feel a bit better. I am really trying to not only lose weight, but to change my life forever. Oh, by the way....my youngest is 5 almost 6, but I also have two much older children. My daughter just turned 19 and my son is 24.

NailLady
February 2nd, 2008, 02:40 PM
I think you are off to a good start but you will probably have to up your game a bit. :) The gym will help, if you have time for it I would suggest a weight routine, then keep up with the bike at home and work you way up to more time and increase the intensity as you can.

Here is a site I like, it is free to join so you can see the videos and get lots of ideas. http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/fitness/index.jhtml Just close the pop up to see the site.

Here is another site that might be helpful. http://www.weightwatchers.com/index.aspx

You can do it, slow and steady, each day make good choices and keep upping your game. :D

Gathina
February 2nd, 2008, 02:56 PM
Smooth: I respect your opinion but I really disagree with you. Her schedule is no different than I as a single woman who works in a hospital full time, has an office part time, and has a grueling commute at times from Palm Beach to Miami (whcih can be as long as 3 hours if someone peels out on 95), most days its 1.5 hours one way. I had to CARVE out time.

It's all in the scheduling. She doesn't have to do it in one hour straight. How about a 1/2 hour aerobic dvd while the kids are napping. Getting up a half hour early to fit in a walk. Working a deal with her husband or swapping babysitting with a neighbor so she can get to the gym. Doing some hard playing outside at the park with her kids. If she's in a geographically desirable area, walking to the grocery store, etc. If she's a stay at home mom, maybe she can organize a mom's group with other women in her situation. If she works, maybe she can power walk during her breaks or lunches.

Nobody said it HAS to be an hour straight. I am SURE she can find 4 15 minute periods during the day to do some exercise. All of us can.

Brenda: You need to work UP to it..yes you probably felt like you were going to die after a half hour. But it is true, no pain no gain.

I really encourage you to check out the website I recommended. The main thing is, it does get easier.

e have a mom with young ones trying to get fit and loose weight... Every day cardio for an hour is just not going to happen. I would not set the bar that high. If she can, at home, get on the bike for 30 minutes, great.... Lets not set her up for failure.

If her habits with her hubby are dinner out every Saturday night, lets not talk about making her own meals on this day but a way to stay on track, going out.... We need to fit our weight loss program into our daily lives to make it in the long term. Drives my husband crazy but yup when we go out to dinner there is my lo- cal salad dressing that comes out of my purse so I know what I am consuming while still having a fun night out with my sweetie.....

Good lord, I thought it was great that she started out with 30 minutes of cardio. Myself I had to work up to that and felt darn good that I had progressed.

LOL Brenda, sorry about talking to you in the 3rd person....

An eliptical machine is also called a cross trainer... You are standing up with your feet in pads similar to sking.... It is on a incline plane and you can use the buttons to simulate climbing hills, or just flat.... Depending on what you pick, the incline goes up or down. Some also have hand bars that go backwards and forwards so it simulates a fast paced walk. (I hate these) When I began I "walked" flat and as time progressed I moved on the a up and down hill simulation. You can also pick the level of difficulty.

You are doing fine..... Have a great night out with the kiddies.[/quote]

smoothdancer
February 2nd, 2008, 03:25 PM
You are right Gab, we all have our own opinions based on our experiences.... Let me say I sure admire you for inspite of your busy schedule and kids you also fit in a hour of cardio.

For me, if someone told me starting out I had to find a hour of cardio I would of felt overwhelmed and not even given it a try. Geez, it is just now that I have worked up to an hour.... Again for me it is too much to try to find this time through out the day and always on my mind, preferring to go to the gym, deposit my time and then move on to my other responsibilities.... To each his/her own.

Chigirlcruzin
February 2nd, 2008, 04:18 PM
You are right Gab, we all have our own opinions based on our experiences.... Let me say I sure admire you for inspite of your busy schedule and kids you also fit in a hour of cardio.

For me, if someone told me starting out I had to find a hour of cardio I would of felt overwhelmed and not even given it a try. Geez, it is just now that I have worked up to an hour.... Again for me it is too much to try to find this time through out the day and always on my mind, preferring to go to the gym, deposit my time and then move on to my other responsibilities.... To each his/her own.

I think the half hour is great...for now. Long-term, Gathina is right, you do need to do more, but you have to work up to it.

Brenda, I think the main problem is that went too deep with the calorie cuts. Not only does it slow your metabolism, but it is difficult to maintain that long-term. Have you looked into something like Weight Watchers? It really teaches you how to eat properly and still adapt to your lifestyle. Good luck!

Gathina
February 2nd, 2008, 05:00 PM
Well, seeing she is talking about a lifestyle change, and after all, that's what it should be for all of us..."little baby steps" is in order.

I think the best way again is working exercise in so it is a way of life. At my hospital they gave us incentives to use the stairs..my office is on the first floor, my patients on the ninth...it was good for us as employees, but also freed up the elevators for all the wheelchairs!

The mind is a big piece of it too. It can be discouraging and overwhelming to think of more exercise, calorie cuts, etc. Ya it sucks and it's painful but it is reality and it has to be accepted.

I saw another thread here with people using sparkspeople, that seemed like a neat tool too.





I think the half hour is great...for now. Long-term, Gathina is right, you do need to do more, but you have to work up to it.

Brenda, I think the main problem is that went too deep with the calorie cuts. Not only does it slow your metabolism, but it is difficult to maintain that long-term. Have you looked into something like Weight Watchers? It really teaches you how to eat properly and still adapt to your lifestyle. Good luck!

Jan_In_Maine
February 2nd, 2008, 06:12 PM
I have been on an adventure of trying to make myself healthy for the last few years .... age, gravity, health, kids, husband, work, life, etc, etc etc have made it frustrating, fun, rotten, exciting and exasperating all at the same time. There are weeks when the weight falls off and other weeks where it feels that the scales must be wrong.

I find that if I don't look at the big picture, (on a daily basis) but rather take small steps then the steps turn into leaps and leaps turn into milestone. I guess everyone has to find just the right combination to work for them. "I" use sparkpeople, these boards, DH, my kids, and in many ways had to decide that I was the most important person ... that if I didn't take care of myself, how could I really take care of anyone else. What a noval idea that as a wife, mother, career woman (and what ever hat we are wearing at any one time) .... that we really must come first!!!

I hope you find the spark that will motivate and work. I also find that journaling helps, I write down what I eat and my exercising. I also found that at the beginning that I ended up going to bed earlier (as I couldn't eat), taking kids and dogs for walks helped, I also made it a family change. I had to think of it being a new way of life, not a diet. Someone else on this board gave a good idea of buying an outfit that does not fit at this time, and use it as a motivator to get into.

I wish anyone and everyone that is trying to get healthy all the best in acheiving their own idea of "healthiness" ... I know I will never be a "skinny-minny", but so far I am down over 50# and really want to lose another 16 ... still won't be the 105# person I was when I graduated from high school ... but at 55 I will be healthy and a much more interesting person than I was at 18. Enjoy! Jan

LauraJo08
February 3rd, 2008, 01:04 AM
I realize that when I was talking about calorie burning that I was talking about me (I'm 5'10 and 145), but I usually go on the 19/20 level on the machine at 70 rpm for an hour. But it took me forever to get up to that, because I was always on that cusp of being normal/a little overweight when I was younger, but I realized that running hard not only keeps me slim, it gives me endorphins I can't get from any other legal source (joke:D ).

I think she's doing great, but it really is tough at first. When I first started, I got the 8 minute taebo video and did that in the morning, evening, and afternoon. It burns much more than biking, and I loved it. Brenda, maybe you could invest in an assortment of short exercise videos to pop in while the kids are taking a bath or eating lunch etc?

Just stay optimistic:) .

Brenda33
February 3rd, 2008, 07:33 AM
good morning....

I've actually tried exercise videos....problem....there is not a spot in my house with enough room. Each room is very tiny and not much room to move around. I got an ab rocket. It came in the mail yesterday. Its from one of those "as seen on tv" commercials. It looks really good. DH will put it together for me today and I will give it a whirl. I am hoping this will help tone the abs. It came with a DVD that includes pilates. Perhaps I won't need much room for this.

Well gotta get a move on....my son has a soccer game this morning. Its so cute...a bunch of 5 and 6 year olds running around aimlessly. LOL Have a fabulous day everyone.

smoothdancer
February 3rd, 2008, 08:40 AM
A 5 year old and a 24 year old, you are a brave lady!

I have the same issue, not much space in my house to exercise. The one DVD I do at home for my abs is a ball exercise that does not require much room and is very effectice.... I just have to hide the ball from the dog!

Someone mentioned the Spark website. If you need help putting together your diet this is the place to go. Some one else mentioned the Fitness website... I am going to check it out today. Just last week I bought the Fitness magazine and it is great... Not too intense, great tips and a little bit of everything.

If you can swing it I would certainly buy an ipod. I download music that is fast and gets me going... There is no way I could do a half hour of cardio without listening to music, it takes your mind off counting the minutes and really motivates you.

jeanlyon
February 3rd, 2008, 08:47 AM
Hi. I am 61 and until I was about 45 weighed about 145 pounds. I am 5 ft 7". I then hurt my back and gained weight because I couldn't exercise. I couldn't even walk 50 yards. I got to 159 pounds. So a friend had joined Weightwatchers, so I went too. In 6 months I lost all the extra weight and am now back to my normal weight of 145. I only found it hard the first two weeks. I still drank wine in the evening, but I poured only a half glass instead of a full one and also drank water. You do need to drink water, lots of it. I found WW really did the trick for me.

jeanlyon
February 3rd, 2008, 08:48 AM
Oh and go for at least a good brisk walk once a day. Doesn't have to be that far, half a mile will help.

Gathina
February 3rd, 2008, 09:34 AM
Ok..I know I'm the "hardest" poster here, but...how do you have room for an ab rocket? don't those take a lot of space?

I like the stew smith website I recommeded earlier because all of the exercises, or at least 99% of them..do NOT require any kind of equipment and the eating plan is very simple to follow as it's a lifestyle change. It's food you already eat.

You can do this, you really can. You didn't get fat overnight remember, I bet once you get into the swing of things within 30 days you'll be even more motivated...Menina


good morning....

I've actually tried exercise videos....problem....there is not a spot in my house with enough room. Each room is very tiny and not much room to move around. I got an ab rocket. It came in the mail yesterday. Its from one of those "as seen on tv" commercials. It looks really good. DH will put it together for me today and I will give it a whirl. I am hoping this will help tone the abs. It came with a DVD that includes pilates. Perhaps I won't need much room for this.

Well gotta get a move on....my son has a soccer game this morning. Its so cute...a bunch of 5 and 6 year olds running around aimlessly. LOL Have a fabulous day everyone.

smoothdancer
February 3rd, 2008, 09:58 AM
I cant speak for Brenda, I have no idea what an ab rocket is!, but for me I dont have the room to do DVD's that are areobic where you need a long space because you are not staying stationary, while a ball or an ab contraption stays in one place or at least you just need a place the length of your body near a TV. I found a space long enough by my TV for my Ball DVD.

Intereting for me though, I have no problem getting up and going to the gym yet I find it very hard to motivate myself to exercise at home... I wonder why that is.

BTW, do you know of any ipodcasts that motivate you?

Gathina
February 3rd, 2008, 10:11 AM
Well, for me I know I am paying for the gym and I don't want to waste my money so I use it. At home I can find a 1000 things to distract me..like cleaning out a closet I haven't looked at in 5 years.

I responded to a fitness challenge a long time ago to not use my car UNLESS it was absolutely necessary (like commuting on the highway). When I was home I rode my bike to publix, drycleaners, etc. I found I spent way less at the grocery store and shopped more carefully because I had to figure out how to lug everything home. It really made me stop and think about how many excuses I can make for eating poorly and exercising.

I notice that when I travel to Europe or South America I always am healthier because I'm forced to walk everywhere, the food quality is better, fresher, no preservatives and I gain no weight. We have juice stands in Brazil the way we have Starbucks here on every corner and nothing taste better at the beach than a cold coconut water.


I cant speak for Brenda, I have no idea what an ab rocket is!, but for me I dont have the room to do DVD's that are areobic where you need a long space because you are not staying stationary, while a ball or an ab contraption stays in one place or at least you just need a place the length of your body near a TV. I found a space long enough by my TV for my Ball DVD.

Intereting for me though, I have no problem getting up and going to the gym yet I find it very hard to motivate myself to exercise at home... I wonder why that is.

BTW, do you know of any ipodcasts that motivate you?

LauraJo08
February 3rd, 2008, 04:06 PM
Just want to make sure you realize that just doing ab exercises does not make you lose weight. Abs are done to strengthen your core so that when you do cardio your muscles work harder and burn more fat.

Oh and btw, a taebo video, I can honestly use in a very small space (just enough so that you can do a roundhouse kick).

smoothdancer
February 3rd, 2008, 04:43 PM
I did not know that Laura. Sure I understand ab exersises does not cause weight loss but had no idea your muscles work harder if they are toned..... Interesting.

Oh my goodness Gathina the life experiences you have! That was some challenge you took on. LOL, yes you are the toughest and most intense in the group and If I was just starting out I would not be able to keep up with you. I am now reaching month two after my operation and returning to the gym and I am right at the point to work harder, so for me this is great.....I did 40 minutes on the cross tranier today when I said that 30 was my max....yea for me!! I honesty dont think I would of pushed myself this hard this week had I not begun to read this thread.

Oh another at home that is compact... If your kids have a play station the dance dance revolution is a great work out and so much fun! (My husband is the kid with the playstation.)

Gathina
February 3rd, 2008, 04:58 PM
Tis true..learned this from two different trainers. The exercises do just that, but if you don't do the cardio all you're doing is kinda making the belly fat harder. Cardio is what burns the fat. They help, but the trainer said with a heavy duty cardio routine, you really need to do not just a few sets of 12 crunches..you have to do more like hundreds. He was a navy seal and the other trainer I had was a former army ranger. After the navy seal guy had me do like 500 plus in 25 minutes, I remember laying in bed crying that night because I couldn't roll over! :) That was two years ago and I'm not quite up to snuff as I used to be, but boy it paid off.

Smooth: maybe one day I'll issue a challenge on here for all of us to not use our cars as much as possible and use our legs for doing our "extra curricular" activities. Some of the other women in the group did roller blading, walking, and running. I can't imagine carrying groceries while roller blading though. I saw a family out walking the other night..they were all visibly overweight but I thought it was cool to see the mom, dad, and kids out power walking together after dinner. That's inspirational! They were all sweating too!

Just want to make sure you realize that just doing ab exercises does not make you lose weight. Abs are done to strengthen your core so that when you do cardio your muscles work harder and burn more fat.

Oh and btw, a taebo video, I can honestly use in a very small space (just enough so that you can do a roundhouse kick).

rugbypopsie
February 3rd, 2008, 05:34 PM
good morning....

I've actually tried exercise videos....problem....there is not a spot in my house with enough room. Each room is very tiny and not much room to move around. I got an ab rocket. It came in the mail yesterday. Its from one of those "as seen on tv" commercials. It looks really good. DH will put it together for me today and I will give it a whirl. I am hoping this will help tone the abs. It came with a DVD that includes pilates. Perhaps I won't need much room for this.

Well gotta get a move on....my son has a soccer game this morning. Its so cute...a bunch of 5 and 6 year olds running around aimlessly. LOL Have a fabulous day everyone.

Hi Brenda,
Everyone has given you the correct advice, eat less, exercise more.....now I will tell the real secret to long term lasting weight loss! It is a "head trip" no matter what you do or what you buy unless you get your "head" together you will yo yo forever!!!

Be happy, baby steps, you are doing the right things but are setting yourself up for failure by judging your life by the scale. Every day you have stuck to your plan, eaten right, exercise, congratulate yourself...it is a life time change not week here or there so you are in for the long haul.

Make small reachable goals and celebrate every time you get there....just focus and be determined, dont undermine yourself, be happy you will get there a lot faster than running all over the place depressing yourself

Brenda33
February 3rd, 2008, 06:06 PM
Hi all! I am so happy to have all this help!! I did my ab rocket today. Oh, its very small...and I barely have room for it...but I did it. Some of the moves are very hard for me. I don't plan on just working the abs....I do know I have to do cardio too. But, since abs is my problem area at the moment, I figured adding that in couldn't hurt. Tomorrow I am checking out both Curves and Shapes Express. Shapes Express is similar to Curves, but also has other machines like treadmills, etc. They have a room where they have classes like step and dance, etc. So it is Curves with extra. Has anyone used the Curves system for working out? Has it worked? Well have to get to giving my DS his tubby. Have a fabulous night!

NailLady
February 3rd, 2008, 06:47 PM
Is there a different gym around that doesn't do a Curves type workout? This would be a good start but it is not the best form of exercise because your body will adjust to it to easily. You need to continue to challenge your body with a variety of exercises and increasing weights.

Gathina
February 3rd, 2008, 07:32 PM
Brenda, I am a diehard LA Fitness member. I joined them because there were many in south florida where I live and on the days I had to wait in traffic for 2 hours I'd bail out and hit one along the way..figure it was better to be productive for 2 hours then by time I was done working out traffic had subsided. The only thing I don't like about them is that their trainers are NOT very qualified or skilled, and the corporate office treats them like dogs...they only get like 6.00 per half hour pay from the company and they treat them like slaves. I hired someone on the outside.

Remember when you are tempted to overeat, ask yourself...do I REALLY need to have 5 cookies if the serving size is 2? etc. Little steps, awareness, everything you've already been advised on.

Hi all! I am so happy to have all this help!! I did my ab rocket today. Oh, its very small...and I barely have room for it...but I did it. Some of the moves are very hard for me. I don't plan on just working the abs....I do know I have to do cardio too. But, since abs is my problem area at the moment, I figured adding that in couldn't hurt. Tomorrow I am checking out both Curves and Shapes Express. Shapes Express is similar to Curves, but also has other machines like treadmills, etc. They have a room where they have classes like step and dance, etc. So it is Curves with extra. Has anyone used the Curves system for working out? Has it worked? Well have to get to giving my DS his tubby. Have a fabulous night!

Chigirlcruzin
February 4th, 2008, 06:27 AM
Brenda, I am a diehard LA Fitness member. I joined them because there were many in south florida where I live and on the days I had to wait in traffic for 2 hours I'd bail out and hit one along the way..figure it was better to be productive for 2 hours then by time I was done working out traffic had subsided. The only thing I don't like about them is that their trainers are NOT very qualified or skilled, and the corporate office treats them like dogs...they only get like 6.00 per half hour pay from the company and they treat them like slaves. I hired someone on the outside.

Remember when you are tempted to overeat, ask yourself...do I REALLY need to have 5 cookies if the serving size is 2? etc. Little steps, awareness, everything you've already been advised on.

I couldn't agree with you more. I joined a Bally's - there's one a mile from my office in the Chicago suburbs, so I can miss traffic on my way home, and there's one 2 miles from my condo in Chicago to go on the weekend. And they have great rates - I pay $29 a month from my corporate rate, but I don't believe the base rate is that much more. Their trainers are horrible too - I've found that I know more than they do (I had one trainer tell me I needed to eat 500-700 calories a day if I wanted to lose weight:eek:; yes, that's right 500-700 a day, not 500-700 less calories; besides that, I only needed to lose 15 pounds).

Another thought, and you're going to tell me I'm crazy, but I've seen it work. Do you have Team in Training in your area? It's an endurance training program. You train for a marathon, half marathon, triathlon, or 100-mile bicycle ride in exchange for raising money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. My former roommate never worked out a day in her life and was able to successfully do a half-marathon. People that didn't even know how to swim were able to do a triathon with .9 mile swim. You start out with 15-20 minute workouts, and work your way to the full deal.

smoothdancer
February 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM
I belong to Bally's too... I am a consultant and my work location changes about 4 times a year, still I can always find a Ballys close enough to the office I am in. What is up with thier personal trainers? I am a dancer and last year I worked with a trainer to help with flexibiliity and stamnia. He designed a program for my needs and was fantastic.... Now they have a whole group of new trainers and no way would I spend money on one. They seems to walk around aimlessly and one girl has got to be at least 50 pounds overweight. What does that say?? At close to 60.00 a session I am not even tempted to work with any of the trainers there.

I agree that Curves can be a great place to start out but long term it fizzles. I think though they have a 6 week program that is about right. I have a sister that is quite overweight. She joined curves, it was not intimadating to her, it got her out of the house and finally doing some physical activity, so I think it has its purpose and benefits just not long term.

Brenda33
February 4th, 2008, 07:57 AM
Good morning everyone!!! And, yes, it IS a good morning! After 10 days of no weight loss I FINALLY lost another one pound!! YIPPEEE!!!! That is 6 pounds in total in 2 weeks 3 days!! Of course, I lost the first 5 in the first 4 days! So it was a long struggle after that for the next pound. I have always been a non exerciser, so this is a huge step for me that I am doing. So far, the bike, and now ab rocket....and today I am going to check out Curves and Shapes Express. I will be working out at both places today!! I'm very excited about getting started, even if I do find I need a bigger gym type place in the future. Wow...I'm not depressed today!! This is a GREAT DAY! Have a great one....everyone!!! :)

gerif
February 4th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I'll cast another no vote for Curves as well - it's great if you are really, really out of shape to where any movement is better than none, but even for me (over 60), there just isn't enough of a workout. While I usually just use the treadmill and light weights, I did notice that most of the really in-shape skinny girls are on the elliptical - think I'll give it a try.

Brenda33
February 4th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Well I went to Curves this morning. I found it very challenging. I sweat my butt off. I feel all my muscles. I pushed myself to the max and went for an hour. I'm disappointed to hear that others don't think its challenging and a good choice. For me it was killer. My heart rate was all the way up the entire time. I tried Shapes later in the day and for me it wasn't as structured....which is what I think is drawing me to Curves. Its a big decision. I'll have to think about it.

cruisinjerseygirl
February 4th, 2008, 04:08 PM
Brenda,

Have you thought about doing weight watchers at all? I found that this is the only way that I can lose weight...it spells out everything for you as far as what and how you have to eat in order to lose weight. I have been doing it for 4 weeks and have cheated a bit here and there and probably could have lost more had I not cheated..but oh well...I am down 12.5lbs in 1 month with no exercize at all just changing my diet and portions...I like the fact that WW tells me what I can eat and how much I can have of it and after a few weeks on it I don't need to look anything up for the most part I know off the top of my head how much I can have of something...and I can eat everything just in moderation...I think it's great because it allows me to eat whatever I want and helps me control it all properly...good luck!!

smoothdancer
February 4th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Certainly, I cant say a bad thing about weightwatchers, but exercise is so important.... Once you reach your goal if you dont have a good exercise habit behind you there is a good chance that the weight will come back on. For me, I found maintaining weight loss much harder than loosing.

Brenda, we all have to reach our own decisions as to what gym or workout place we are comfortable with... If you are not comfortable you just are not going to go...If Curves is going to work for you, so be it. I just would caution you not to purchase any long term memberships in case in time you want to move on elsewhere.

Congrads on that pound!

Gathina
February 4th, 2008, 10:38 PM
The main thing here is that for YOU it's challenging. If you like it and are satisified, that's what matters.Maybe it'll be a good starting point for you for the next few months. Another thing I did years ago was to take advantage of all the "free" trial memberships at the various gyms. That way I could work out at each gym for a week before I made my choice.

Hmm..the gal that didn't have an hour went to the gym and sweated for an hour...GOOD JOB!! Menina


Well I went to Curves this morning. I found it very challenging. I sweat my butt off. I feel all my muscles. I pushed myself to the max and went for an hour. I'm disappointed to hear that others don't think its challenging and a good choice. For me it was killer. My heart rate was all the way up the entire time. I tried Shapes later in the day and for me it wasn't as structured....which is what I think is drawing me to Curves. Its a big decision. I'll have to think about it.

happysinglemom
February 4th, 2008, 11:18 PM
I You can go on an elliptical and burn 200 calories in 10-12 minutes, so if you start there are build up your stamina, in 30 minutes you will be burning twice as many calories.

That figure is too high. About the maximum that you can burn, going full out, is 300 - 350 calories per half hour. Don't trust the machine to give you the calories, get a HRM and you will get an accurate number.

happysinglemom
February 4th, 2008, 11:45 PM
Tis true..learned this from two different trainers. The exercises do just that, but if you don't do the cardio all you're doing is kinda making the belly fat harder. Cardio is what burns the fat. They help, but the trainer said with a heavy duty cardio routine, you really need to do not just a few sets of 12 crunches..you have to do more like hundreds.

I just want to clarify for those that may be confused by this statement. You can't make belly fat "harder". Fat is fat. Cardio activity is exercise that is done at such an intensity that it raises the heart rate enough to strengthen it. (When your heart is stronger, it needs to beat less to pump the same amount of blood - so you have a lower resting heart rate - a very good thing. ) The intensity of cardio activity is high and constant, and so burns a higher amount of calories for the same period of time. This makes cardio a great fat-burner. Stregthening exercises also burn calories, but not as much since the intensity is as high or as consistent. My heart rate can go up to 125 or so doing crunches (and I do 350 every workout), but it drops right back between sets. On a stepmill, or running, my heart rate gets up to 155 or 160 and stays there...for the duration. Easy to see what burns more calories, for the time spent. However, strengthening muscles increases the metabolic rate since the more muscle mass you have, the more calories burned by your body every day. So strengthening the muscles is good - both heart and body. Do it all.

happysinglemom
February 4th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Good morning everyone!!! And, yes, it IS a good morning! After 10 days of no weight loss I FINALLY lost another one pound!! YIPPEEE!!!! That is 6 pounds in total in 2 weeks 3 days!! Of course, I lost the first 5 in the first 4 days! So it was a long struggle after that for the next pound. I have always been a non exerciser, so this is a huge step for me that I am doing. So far, the bike, and now ab rocket....and today I am going to check out Curves and Shapes Express. I will be working out at both places today!! I'm very excited about getting started, even if I do find I need a bigger gym type place in the future. Wow...I'm not depressed today!! This is a GREAT DAY! Have a great one....everyone!!! :)

6 pounds in 2 weeks 3 days is AWESOME! You should be very proud of yourself. Don't get too hung up on the numbers, believe me you will have weeks where it seems like nothing is moving,but it will. It takes time, but you have made a terrific start. Progress is the best motivator. And congrats on the exercise too - I can't overstate what a terrific habit you are starting! Make it part of your day...every day if you can. You will reach a point where it is just like eating and sleeping. ;)

happysinglemom
February 5th, 2008, 12:04 AM
Well I went to Curves this morning. I found it very challenging. I sweat my butt off. I feel all my muscles. I pushed myself to the max and went for an hour. I'm disappointed to hear that others don't think its challenging and a good choice. For me it was killer. My heart rate was all the way up the entire time. I tried Shapes later in the day and for me it wasn't as structured....which is what I think is drawing me to Curves. Its a big decision. I'll have to think about it.

While I would not personally go to Curves, I think it certainly serves a purpose for many gals that are just starting exercise programs. If it gets you moving, then as far as I'm concerned, it works! I belong to 2 gyms...I go very frequently (often twice a day) and having one near work and at home is what works best for me. As long as you are exercising, do what works!!

minncruisers
February 5th, 2008, 01:25 AM
Brenda, I just want to say that you're doing an awesome job and keep up the great work. Everyone has given you great advice and we're behind you so keep going. I'm also over 40(er...41 to be exact) and I found it's very difficult trying to lose weight once we've gotten past 40. I've been working furiously to get under 160 before our cruise. I started out at 167 just after the holidays and I'm about 161 now. I don't know if I'll make my goal before the cruise but I'm ok with that. I just feel good knowing that I'm working hard to get healthy. I think I read somewhere that 3500 calories equals 1 pound. So when you think about it, there is a lot of work involved in expelling 1 pound of weight. I can see how the scale can refuse to budge if the weight is really still there. It's all frustrating but very doable.:)

I do about 1 hour on the treadmill and about 10 minutes of stretching and a few weights afterwards. Occasionally I change up my routine and do a Turbo Jam or Tae Bo video because I like the variety. So try a good variety of exercises to keep your interest up and metabolism revved. When your son is at soccer practice maybe you can find a few minutes to do some laps around the field. Park your car a little further from mall and store entrances. Do a few jumping jacks during the day. Go up and down your stairs a couple of extra times throughout the day. Every little bit helps. Keep it up! Go girl! Go! Before you know it summer will be here and you'll be looking MARVELOUS! (Secret: We'll BOTH be looking MARVELOUS!;))

Brenda33
February 5th, 2008, 07:54 AM
Good morning,

I first want to say that all of you are so awesome!! I can't believe all the support I am getting and I can't begin to tell you how much it really helps. I see that so many of you support Weight Watchers. With WW you have to go to a meeting every week, correct? And you have to count points for each food? I am not sure at this point I am ready to commit to more time....like meetings.....but if I find that my diet is not working, I will definitely push through and give it a try.

My muscles are sooooooooooo sore today. Does this mean I overdid it yesterday? OR....is it a good thing? I am even wondering if I will be able to even do the squat machine today. LOL Oh yeah, I am actually signing up for Curves today. It does seem right for me....at this point anyhow.

I wanted to share something I learned at a health meeting I attended yesterday.....it was when I checked out the Shapes place...... anyhow, you probably all know this, but just in case, I'll share. I was told that breathing during a sit up is extremely important. You need to exhale on the coming up motion and inhale going down. If you do it backwards your stomach may get a hard bump on it instead of being flat. I never realized that the way you breathe could be that important.

Oh well.....gotta eat my fiber cereal. Enjoy your day!!:)

smoothdancer
February 5th, 2008, 08:33 AM
I am with you Brenda... I have learned so much and keep motivated reading this thread.... It is great!

Chigirlcruzin
February 5th, 2008, 11:16 AM
Brenda, I'm doing WW and not attending meetings. I never had done a meeting. My mom and dad lost 75 pounds between them (30 and 45 respectively), and they gave me one set of their materials since they had two. I travel too much for work to commit to meetings, and I'm motivated enough on my own to pull through it. I started on 1/5, and I've lost 13 pounds. Of course, I'm also at the gym 6 days a week for at least an hour doing spin classes, tae bo like classes, treadmill, eliptical, and weights. Have to mix it up so your body doesn't get used to it! I want to lose about 10 more.

WW actually has two plans - flex and core. Flex is the one you hear about most often where everything has a points value. Core doesn't track points, but you're limited in the foods you eat. I switch between the two plans depending on if I'm traveling or not. If I'm not, I do flex. If I am, I do core. WW does allow for the switching as long as it's a week by week basis, not a day by day basis.

As for joining Curves, good for you! However, I would not sign a long-term contract with them. You will likely "outgrow" it.

LauraJo08
February 5th, 2008, 01:49 PM
That figure is too high. About the maximum that you can burn, going full out, is 300 - 350 calories per half hour. Don't trust the machine to give you the calories, get a HRM and you will get an accurate number.


Actually this isn't true. First of all the amount of calories you burn all depends on your weight, therefore a larger person will burn way more than someone who is small. Second, it also depends on how much muscle you have in your body. Someone at 145 pounds (my weight) who is muscular will burn way more calories than someone who is 145 pounds but has much more fat on their body. I don't run for how many calories I burn, but I run for one hour per day and burn about 1000 calories , because my body is basically all muscle after weight training and running since I was 14. Also, your heart rate doesn't necessarily tell you how hard you are working, because a person who is very fit will continue to have lower and lower heart rates if working at the same difficulty level. On a machine with 20 levels, I put it on 20 and I run 70 rpm, something me and my best friend (personal trainer) figured out. I have also used a special moniter to see how many calories I burn, and we figured out that the number on the machine was correct.

So many different factors go into how many calories that you burn, so you can't stereotype it.

happysinglemom
February 5th, 2008, 09:45 PM
Actually this isn't true. First of all the amount of calories you burn all depends on your weight, therefore a larger person will burn way more than someone who is small. Second, it also depends on how much muscle you have in your body. Someone at 145 pounds (my weight) who is muscular will burn way more calories than someone who is 145 pounds but has much more fat on their body. I don't run for how many calories I burn, but I run for one hour per day and burn about 1000 calories , because my body is basically all muscle after weight training and running since I was 14. Also, your heart rate doesn't necessarily tell you how hard you are working, because a person who is very fit will continue to have lower and lower heart rates if working at the same difficulty level. On a machine with 20 levels, I put it on 20 and I run 70 rpm, something me and my best friend (personal trainer) figured out. I have also used a special moniter to see how many calories I burn, and we figured out that the number on the machine was correct.

So many different factors go into how many calories that you burn, so you can't stereotype it.

Believe me I am well educated on the "hows and whys" of burning calories. I've been doing this quite some time myself. :rolleyes: I'm not "stereotyping". However, you stated that one can burn 200 calories in 10-12 min on an elliptical. That is far beyond ANY elliptical manufacturer's claims, and certainly beyond any of the published stats that I have seen. I run the elliptical as fast as anyone at my gym, so if you are going harder than me, then congrats to you!, but you are a rare bird, and I think it is misleading to quote those numbers for others here on these forums, especially those just starting out. And if you can keep a pace of a 6 min mile for an hour (you must be doing around that to burn 1000 cal/hour) your name must be at the top of some race postings, girl. :p Congrats on THAT too. ;)

happysinglemom
February 5th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Good morning,

I first want to say that all of you are so awesome!! I can't believe all the support I am getting and I can't begin to tell you how much it really helps. I see that so many of you support Weight Watchers. With WW you have to go to a meeting every week, correct? And you have to count points for each food? I am not sure at this point I am ready to commit to more time....like meetings.....but if I find that my diet is not working, I will definitely push through and give it a try.

My muscles are sooooooooooo sore today. Does this mean I overdid it yesterday? OR....is it a good thing? I am even wondering if I will be able to even do the squat machine today. LOL Oh yeah, I am actually signing up for Curves today. It does seem right for me....at this point anyhow.

I wanted to share something I learned at a health meeting I attended yesterday.....it was when I checked out the Shapes place...... anyhow, you probably all know this, but just in case, I'll share. I was told that breathing during a sit up is extremely important. You need to exhale on the coming up motion and inhale going down. If you do it backwards your stomach may get a hard bump on it instead of being flat. I never realized that the way you breathe could be that important.

Oh well.....gotta eat my fiber cereal. Enjoy your day!!:)

Breathing is very important in ALL of your exercises...but that "hard bump" thing - um...forget that :rolleyes: . Abdominal exercises strengthen your abs. When done properly, you should feel a burn after a certain number of reps. If you aren't feeling that burning sensation, then you aren't using your abdominals properly. If worked hard enough, your ab muscles will get larger, as ANY muscle will. That is the nature of the muscle. You can see the results of intense ab training in those pics of guys/gals with "6 packs". But a layer of fat would obscure those muscles, so those people are extremely lean - they have a very small body fat %. If someone with a 6-pack starting laying on the ice cream and chips, the fat would creep in and cover up those gorgeous ripples...with gloppy FAT, not a "bump". And if you have fat already, and work your abs and DON'T lose the fat, you'll still have...FAT. So...I don't know what they were trying to say, but sometimes you have to take those Curves "experts" with a grain of salt. :o Keep up the good work!! Your muscles are usually the sorest on the SECOND day after working them...but that will subside as they get stronger.

Gathina
February 6th, 2008, 05:53 AM
I didn't imply it was a "hard bump". You are making it firmer. Because you aren't really toning the muscles that are underneath the fat is what he's saying. Strenghtening them maybe, but not really toning so much.

Both men were military trainers who didn't know each other and what they said makes logical sense to me. Maybe there's some research on it on the net somewhere. But either way, to make a signficant difference you need to burn the fat with the cardio and do a LOT of ab, back,and side exercises, not just the few crunches that most people do. Look in the gym month after month and the same people are in there and they are still fat and their body isn't changing. A lot of time it's because of incorrect form of the exercise, not properly using the muscles and using the joints, etc. When the trainers were talking about ab exercises, they were talking about a few hundred. Not just 25.

The best trainer to find is the one that comes on a good recommendation, I think.

Breathing is very important in ALL of your exercises...but that "hard bump" thing - um...forget that :rolleyes: . Abdominal exercises strengthen your abs. When done properly, you should feel a burn after a certain number of reps. If you aren't feeling that burning sensation, then you aren't using your abdominals properly. If worked hard enough, your ab muscles will get larger, as ANY muscle will. That is the nature of the muscle. You can see the results of intense ab training in those pics of guys/gals with "6 packs". But a layer of fat would obscure those muscles, so those people are extremely lean - they have a very small body fat %. If someone with a 6-pack starting laying on the ice cream and chips, the fat would creep in and cover up those gorgeous ripples...with gloppy FAT, not a "bump". And if you have fat already, and work your abs and DON'T lose the fat, you'll still have...FAT. So...I don't know what they were trying to say, but sometimes you have to take those Curves "experts" with a grain of salt. :o Keep up the good work!! Your muscles are usually the sorest on the SECOND day after working them...but that will subside as they get stronger.

Brenda33
February 6th, 2008, 06:26 AM
good morning.....

i need a serious push this morning. i had some serious stress last night. i will keep it brief for you....don't want to bore u all with the details. anyhow, there was an altercation with my neighbors who went crazy after being called out and they were pounding on my door threatening me and i called the police. then my DH .....who is who he is.....didn't support me, etc. it was really bad and all i can say is u don't know me, but i can tell u i did not deserve any of this. anyhow, i was so stressed that i didn't get to sleep really late and all i could think after hours of crying was that i did not have the energy to work out, etc. how do i get motivated and actually go? what do u do in times of stress? thank u......

winewanderer
February 6th, 2008, 11:24 AM
I just wanted to jump in and say that at 45 years old I have a really hard time getting back to 150. I'm 158 right now, no kids.

I used to be 125 in my 20's. When I turned 40 my body just seemed to do it's own thing. In my 30's I was around 130-135. When I was 40 I was pretty happy at around 140-145.

These days if I look at chocolate I gain 5 lbs. I work out 1.5 to 2 hours a day. I can only hope that with diet and exercise I can get back to 150 and stay there.

Don't be too hard on yourself. I wish you the best losing the weight but our bodies do change and let's not forget about the heading towards menopause part. Ugh.

smoothdancer
February 6th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I have had a lot of stress in my life too, (Well. haven’t we all!) so I hear your frame of mind right now. But here’s the thing….

No one can make you feel miserable and put stress on yourself but yourself, you have allowed someone else to influence the way that you feel today, so you need to shake that off right away and get back to that positive place. Don’t let either your neighbors or you husbands lack of support take your thunder away.

Going to work out is just what you need… Because despite all else you can put in a good work out and know you have done something positive for yourself today. Regardless of what goes on around you, you can feel good about yourself today, but only if you get your tail out the door!... Hell, if you have to, take all your frustrations out on a Curves machine….

Brenda33
February 6th, 2008, 02:39 PM
Thank you Smooth. I did go to Curves. I did do my workout...1 hour 5 minutes!! I was more tired than usually....my arms felt weak....it was a struggle to do some of the machines.....but I did it! AND...I can't tell you how happy it made me to know that I put me first. My friend at Curves (also the manager) told me that she gives me credit because if it was her she would still be at home crying and definitely not push herself. Of course she says that would be the wrong thing to do....but its not as easy as it all sounds. I had a very bad eating day.....meaning I hadn't really eaten anything.....so I went to lunch with my daughter, had a side salad and a cup of onion soup....no cheese!!! So I got to spend time with Ashley and I got to go out. So after a bad start the day has shaped up. Of course the stress is still there and I'm sure it will get worse around here before it gets better.

Winewanderer - My fear is exactly what you describe. I am afraid that even if I do do all the work...diet, exercise, etc. that I might not lose the weight. Its hard to grow old gracefully. You have to actually learn to love yourself a different way....and that is so tough. I love that show "How to Look Good Naked!".....I need that show......but I WILL NOT be on that show! LOL Anyhow, its great for support to watch it. So in the end I will do everything I can to reach my goals, but if they can't happen for whatever reason somehow I am going to have to find a way to accept that. BUT....I have hope.....my friend at Curves is like only 5 feet and she weighed 210 pounds!!.....She lost 100 pounds several years ago and has kept it off. She says 20 pounds......no problem!! LOL

Gathina
February 6th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Easy. Face reality. The altercation is over, your husband didn't do what you want him to do, but you can't change what happened so move on. He is who he is, your neighbors are who they are...you may not agree with how they handled any of this, but they have a right to do what they think is right for them, regardless of whether you like it or not. So you move on.

Sure it was stress. But this is just another thing in your day you need to forget and move on. Don't make it worse than what it is and crying isn't going to do anything about it anyway, just reniforce the stress and being upset about it.

Good job on the workout..M

good morning.....

i need a serious push this morning. i had some serious stress last night. i will keep it brief for you....don't want to bore u all with the details. anyhow, there was an altercation with my neighbors who went crazy after being called out and they were pounding on my door threatening me and i called the police. then my DH .....who is who he is.....didn't support me, etc. it was really bad and all i can say is u don't know me, but i can tell u i did not deserve any of this. anyhow, i was so stressed that i didn't get to sleep really late and all i could think after hours of crying was that i did not have the energy to work out, etc. how do i get motivated and actually go? what do u do in times of stress? thank u......

happysinglemom
February 7th, 2008, 01:19 AM
I didn't imply it was a "hard bump". You are making it firmer.

:confused: I was not replying to you...I replied to Brenda.


Look in the gym month after month and the same people are in there and they are still fat and their body isn't changing. A lot of time it's because of incorrect form of the exercise, not properly using the muscles and using the joints, etc

Most people eventually figure out how to do the exercise, if they don't, they generally give up and you don't see them any more. If people don't make progress, the main reason is that they are going home and eating everything in the cupboards!! ;)

Gathina
February 7th, 2008, 06:52 AM
My dad always said that the best exercise for overweight people was to push themselves away from the table! He was right. Everyone makes excuses, blames the diet industry, stress, this, that, or the other thing on why they gain weight. The reality is you are the one who controls what you shovel in your mouth!

People always complain they are hungry when they first start a diet..what do you expect..your stomach is used to too much food, of course it's going to protest until you get used to it. Same thing with the exercise. People don't get fat overnight and they can't expect to lose it overnight either.

:confused: I was not replying to you...I replied to Brenda.




Most people eventually figure out how to do the exercise, if they don't, they generally give up and you don't see them any more. If people don't make progress, the main reason is that they are going home and eating everything in the cupboards!! ;)

Brenda33
February 7th, 2008, 07:20 AM
Gathina...

You are one tough cookie!!! How in the world did you get this tough? I'm not saying its a bad thing. You just have so much strength about you that few of of possess. I do try to push myself.....but unfortunately, life and stress does affect the way I operate. I am a very sensitive person. I do appreciate your strength in the way that it helps me get through this struggle with weight loss.

I have to tell you all that even though I have a long way to go I put on my jeans today (still my fat jeans...lol), but there isn't a huge roll going over the top of them today! So I am so proud of me for that....YIPPEE!! 7 pounds total.....and I will not give up!!!! I'm gonna get tough! (thanks Gathina :) )

smoothdancer
February 7th, 2008, 08:03 AM
LOL Brenda, you bet Gathina is tough but it is working for me right now!
Reading these posts I am now up to 40 minutes per day on the cross trainer and yesterday was able to do 100 sit ups... I know not near Gathina's 500 mark, but better than I have ever done before and I think I can build up to it.

Also, a word about the menapause posts... This is not the end of the world or impossible or anything to fear. I lost my inital 30 pounds at age 50 when I was right smack in the middle of menapause and 2 years later I just gained 5 back that I am presenlty fighting with! Menapause was no reason to accept my body the way it was, I wanted change and with hard work it can happen at any age. I hate when I read that people use menapause as an excuse.

Oh that naked show... What keeps me on track is mirrors. Like I said we compete in ballroom dance and are at a dance studio 3-4 nights a week, with mirrors all around us, you cant avoid them and that along with the tight fitting gowns I wear, it keeps me honest.

Gathina
February 7th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Really, I'm not a monster :)

Ok..I'm actually a shrink by trade. I learned a long, long, time ago the importance of facing reality. Most people don't. I would rather have friends that tell me what I need to hear, not what I want to hear. If you don't face reality and all the painful emotions that go with it, you can never get better. Look at the fashion board. A woman can post a picture of her in a dress that does not suit her, but everyone tries to be kind and tell her it's ok even though it may not suit her at all. It's the same thing here on this board.

I have been following Bardgal's thread (about the no wheat and gluten) and have dropped most of my weight. But I get inspired by reading stories of those still working at it. When I go to the gym if I see a woman who is really trying (like a woman who has never gone to the gym and you can tell) I always try to say something kind and encouraging to her even if it's a stranger. It helps me too.

Smooth..great challenge! I still think we all need to take the challenge of not using our cars for a weekend and using our bikes, feet, and rollerblades instead! Menina


LOL Brenda, you bet Gathina is tough but it is working for me right now!
Reading these posts I am now up to 40 minutes per day on the cross trainer and yesterday was able to do 100 sit ups... I know not near Gathina's 500 mark, but better than I have ever done before and I think I can build up to it.

Also, a word about the menapause posts... This is not the end of the world or impossible or anything to fear. I lost my inital 30 pounds at age 50 when I was right smack in the middle of menapause and 2 years later I just gained 5 back that I am presenlty fighting with! Menapause was no reason to accept my body the way it was, I wanted change and with hard work it can happen at any age. I hate when I read that people use menapause as an excuse.

Oh that naked show... What keeps me on track is mirrors. Like I said we compete in ballroom dance and are at a dance studio 3-4 nights a week, with mirrors all around us, you cant avoid them and that along with the tight fitting gowns I wear, it keeps me honest.

smoothdancer
February 7th, 2008, 12:45 PM
That’s funny, Gathina. Some how I had in my mind that you were a nurse and was thinking Man, I would not want that lady as my nurse if I was sick, but a “shrink”, absolutely!

High on my list is learning how to rollerblade so I would be up to such a challenge. I live in New England, we are still in our snow season, so that challenge is going to have to wait a good month and a half, less I freeze to death.

happysinglemom
February 7th, 2008, 08:40 PM
People always complain they are hungry when they first start a diet..what do you expect..your stomach is used to too much food, of course it's going to protest until you get used to it. Same thing with the exercise. People don't get fat overnight and they can't expect to lose it overnight either.

So true. We have a group of people at work that are doing WW. One of them (she is doing very well) told me she was discussing her new lifestyle with one of the other gals in her office. The lady told her that she was not eating enough, that she should never EVER be hungry - told her if she was letting herself get hungry then she was doing her body harm. Can you even believe that people actually think that?? Good grief. Heck, when I am trying to drop a couple of pounds, hunger is my friend! :p
Of course if I am headed to the gym, then hunger must be addressed. I can work out right after eating, but I can't work out hungry!!:o

Chigirlcruzin
February 8th, 2008, 05:19 AM
Really, I'm not a monster :)

Ok..I'm actually a shrink by trade. I learned a long, long, time ago the importance of facing reality. Most people don't. I would rather have friends that tell me what I need to hear, not what I want to hear. If you don't face reality and all the painful emotions that go with it, you can never get better. Look at the fashion board. A woman can post a picture of her in a dress that does not suit her, but everyone tries to be kind and tell her it's ok even though it may not suit her at all. It's the same thing here on this board.

I have been following Bardgal's thread (about the no wheat and gluten) and have dropped most of my weight. But I get inspired by reading stories of those still working at it. When I go to the gym if I see a woman who is really trying (like a woman who has never gone to the gym and you can tell) I always try to say something kind and encouraging to her even if it's a stranger. It helps me too.



I wish more people were like you. America has become too soft, literally and figuratively. I'm "only" 31, but I'm shocked at the attitudes of some of the kids coming out of college - they expect everything handed to them. Heck, we're not supposed to use red because it's not "friendly."

We live in a time where we have to be politically correct, and anything and everything can offend somebody. A coworker always says "when did we get the right to not be offended? If I don't like something, I leave or ignore it."

You're right about the fashion board...I remember somebody posted a dress that wasn't appropriate for a woman's figure, and somebody pointed that out...boy did that poster get it!

Everybody needs at least one person that will be completely honest with them. I'm a manager at work, and I believe in honest, timely feedback, and expect the same. There is a tactful way to do it if it is negative. Too many managers are afraid of confrontation, so a solvable problem can become unbearable.

smoothdancer
February 8th, 2008, 07:22 AM
Well alright it is my turn to be fustrated! And this is coming from the person who always says just keep pushing forward and be patience and it will happen, I have been at a complete standstill coming up on 3 weeks now and it is fustrating me. What fustrates me is that I dont know how to make change happen.

I am keeping my caloires between 1300 to 1500 a day. At a minimum I am at the gym five days a week. 40 hard minutes on a cross trainer followed by usually a half hour of weight work outs. If I can swing it some weeks I go the other 2 days where I just do cardio. Now add that to our hour sessions 3 times a week with our dance coach. I dont count our dance as actiivity becasue it is coaching on our frames, technique, presentation and it is a lot of stop and go in that one hour...It keeps me well toned, but certainly not a cardio activity, like it sounds it might be. I have been on this dance schedule for 12 years now, my body just expects it.

Now, after a few months of this gym schedule I can see changes in my body, my center and back is much firmer and stronger but shoot this morning the scale shows a pound gain and I think how on earth is that possible. This was after yesterday of an hour an a half of a good work out, 15 minute rest and then on to an hour dance coaching session...

I am not crazy about changing my work outs because I am still working on my goal to do cardio for an hour, increase my core reps and each week it is getting better and I think in a maybe another two weeks I will be up to that hour.... I journal everthing I eat so I know that my calorie count is accurate... In my mind I think that I have decreased my calories by 3500 a week so I should be loosing a pound a week, not gaining. According to the charts at 5'5 and 120 pounds I am where I should be, but because of dancing I need to be at the bottom of the charts, not mid center. Any suiggestions, anyone?

Brenda33
February 8th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Hi Smooth,

Well I am new at this exercise diet thing, so I probably don't have much to offer in the way of advice. But, I can tell you that what you are experiencing is my fear. You do all you can and then still nothing happens. I have fears of thinking of chopping it off! LOL :eek: Now when I hear your height and weight, I am envious.....I doubt this makes you feel any better. I understand that we all want to be a certain way. But, I hope you know that even if you don't see yourself the way you want to....the rest of the world probably sees you as perfect. You do have a perfect height weight ratio. How much weight do you actually want to lose? Pretty soon you will be a bikini model!! You go girl!! and...never give up. :)

Gathina
February 8th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Smooth: I learned this from the dietian at my hospital. We are supposed to have LESS than 2000 mg sodium per day. It's like only 2 teaspoons per day! If you look at a lot of frozen diet meals, and other stuff that "looks" healthy you might be consuming your entire day allotment of sodium in one sitting! I was horrified by that. Like a can of soup has more than a day's worth of sodium. Maybe check and see how much sodium you are consuming. The other bad thing about sodium is that it makes you want more. Remember the lays' potato chip commercial, "you just can't eat one"!! Also, she taught me how diet soda can be a nightmare, in terms of how it can react with your pancreas and guess what..you secrete insuling and crave carbs. I dont think I'm explaining the pancreas thing fully accurately, but that's the jist of what she said.

Check your good labels..sorbitol can make you bloat. Any of the "oses"..sucrose, fructose, corn syrup, corn syrup solids, have some form of sugar. Cutting out wheat and gluten is a biggie too.

Maybe your body is adjusting to much to routine, try some different exericses or a yoga class or something. Try to get more sleep, too.

I find now that I can't eat hardly any sodium, it tastes gross to me. I' breaking out the pressure cooker this weekend and making homemade soup with beef bones and veggies.


Well alright it is my turn to be fustrated! And this is coming from the person who always says just keep pushing forward and be patience and it will happen, I have been at a complete standstill coming up on 3 weeks now and it is fustrating me. What fustrates me is that I dont know how to make change happe

I am keeping my caloires between 1300 to 1500 a day. At a minimum I am at the gym five days a week. 40 hard minutes on a cross trainer followed by usually a half hour of weight work outs. If I can swing it some weeks I go the other 2 days where I just do cardio. Now add that to our hour sessions 3 times a week with our dance coach. I dont count our dance as actiivity becasue it is coaching on our frames, technique, presentation and it is a lot of stop and go in that one hour...It keeps me well toned, but certainly not a cardio activity, like it sounds it might be. I have been on this dance schedule for 12 years now, my body just expects it.

Now, after a few months of this gym schedule I can see changes in my body, my center and back is much firmer and stronger but shoot this morning the scale shows a pound gain and I think how on earth is that possible. This was after yesterday of an hour an a half of a good work out, 15 minute rest and then on to an hour dance coaching session...

I am not crazy about changing my work outs because I am still working on my goal to do cardio for an hour, increase my core reps and each week it is getting better and I think in a maybe another two weeks I will be up to that hour.... I journal everthing I eat so I know that my calorie count is accurate... In my mind I think that I have decreased my calories by 3500 a week so I should be loosing a pound a week, not gaining. According to the charts at 5'5 and 120 pounds I am where I should be, but because of dancing I need to be at the bottom of the charts, not mid center. Any suiggestions, anyone?

smoothdancer
February 8th, 2008, 03:47 PM
That just may be it. Getting home late and hungry I have been having fish and salad for dinner, and yes I have bought frozen fish in a light seasoning thinking it was fast and low in calories. I will check the contents and probably will switch over to fresh fish…. If this is the problem, what an easy fix. I don’t drink soda at all. I also no longer drink alcohol either. With the intestinal blockage operation I had a few months ago the Doctor told me not to drink anything with fizz, so I just drink water. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Now Brenda, I was afraid you were going to read this just the way you did. These things happen. Something what you are doing is just not right for your body and you need to find it out, adjust and then weight loss will jump start again as the above paragraph points out.. If you think 20 pounds is hard to loose, try 5 pounds, very hard! I know my ideal weight, and due to the competition dance we do, a small 5 pounds makes can make world of difference in my movement. Think Dancing with the Stars, this is what we do.

Gathina
February 8th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Smooth: I'm sure you'll be horrified when you see just HOW much salt is in something frozen.

It's funny..I cook all my own food and rarely buy anything frozen...if I do, then I actually get SICK from it. I love fish. My west indian "moomie in law" (will explain one day) makes the best escovitched snapper with rice and beans. She buys an entire whole fish from the fish market but then cuts it up into portions to eat throughout the week. I do that with meats from whole foods. I might buy 4 chicken breasts but ask them to cut each one in half, then wrap each one individually so if I want a good meal quick I can take out just my own serving and bake it. It takes some planning but I think its worth it in the end. It takes just as long to throw a piece on the grill than it does to heat a frozen dinner.

Baby steps, troops!
That just may be it. Getting home late and hungry I have been having fish and salad for dinner, and yes I have bought frozen fish in a light seasoning thinking it was fast and low in calories. I will check the contents and probably will switch over to fresh fish…. If this is the problem, what an easy fix. I don’t drink soda at all. I also no longer drink alcohol either. With the intestinal blockage operation I had a few months ago the Doctor told me not to drink anything with fizz, so I just drink water. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Now Brenda, I was afraid you were going to read this just the way you did. These things happen. Something what you are doing is just not right for your body and you need to find it out, adjust and then weight loss will jump start again as the above paragraph points out.. If you think 20 pounds is hard to loose, try 5 pounds, very hard! I know my ideal weight, and due to the competition dance we do, a small 5 pounds makes can make world of difference in my movement. Think Dancing with the Stars, this is what we do.

smoothdancer
February 9th, 2008, 08:26 AM
No kidding.. Thoes 200 calorie scallops had 480g of sodium! I am back to buying fresh.

Brenda33
February 10th, 2008, 07:50 AM
Hi all.....

Question of the day. Why if you only lose a pound or 2 does it make such a huge difference in the way a dress fits????? OK.....so I had a dress that I wore in the past and last Saturday night I wanted to wear it to dinner. Its one of those sort of tight black t-shirt material dresses, high neck, long sleeves, hugs all the right places......BUT last week it hugged my tummy big time and all I could see was belly bulges.....NOT very flattering. So I hung the dress back in the closet. Well I only lost 1 or 2 pounds this week (I forget when I lost the one pound...which week).....and I was starting to notice that in my jeans my stomach was not hanging over. So I figured....what have I got to lose? I'll try the dress on. So last night I put it on and WOW!!....I looked really good!!! I asked my daughter (she is the honest one who told me to get the 2 piece bathing suit off!).....and she told me I looked really nice in it!!! I wrapped around my silver chain belt, put on a pair of high heel boots and strutted my stuff last night!! I was soooooooooo unbelievably happy with my progress. But I don't understand it. What's going on? If there isn't huge weight loss, why are my clothes fitting differently?

So how is everyone today? Hope the sodium thing is working out for you Smooth!

happysinglemom
February 10th, 2008, 10:33 AM
If there isn't huge weight loss, why are my clothes fitting differently?

So how is everyone today? Hope the sodium thing is working out for you Smooth!

Bren....the number on the scale is just a guide....just a number to enusre progress in the right direction. I weigh every single morning of my life and I have done so for the last 6 years. But 2 or even 3 pound swings are completely normal from one day to the next. Doesn't mean I really have gained 3 pounds of fat from one day to the next. Many other things impact your weight such as water, weight and bm's. This is why many people recommend weighing only once a week - don't get hung up on the fluctuations. A more accurate number would be your body fat % - if you have a good Tanita scale, that measurement will be fairly consistent as long as you measure every day at the same time - either in the morning or just before bed.

You have learned that the most important measurement of progress is HOW YOUR CLOTHES FIT. At the end of the day, that is the truest indicator of how much fat you have lost. Remember that as your body changes composition - increasing lean % over fat % - there will be an impact, albeit very small, in your weight. I say that, but don't get hung up on that either...unless you are bodybulding and making huge muscle gains, the different isn't enough to pay attention to (though some will tell you differently).

I am doing well in my quest to get back to where I should be (starting dating someone about 8 months ago and I got a bit off track - gained about 6 pounds!!). My short-term goal is to reach 141 by this Saturday, and today I am at 143.2. So....not sure I will make it, but I tried on my ski pants (the driving force for the date - going skiiing this weekend!) and they fit MUCH better than they did when I tried them on 3 weeks ago!!

So...enjoy your success...enjoy the dress, and carry on! You are making great progress!

smoothdancer
February 10th, 2008, 03:07 PM
Ya know way back earlier in this thread someone made the comment that loosing weight is a head game and I loved the comment. So true, we find whatever it is that motivates us to initally loose the weight and then use that thing to make it a lifestyle change.

So, if that black dress and better fitting jeans did it for you, great. For me I too get on the scale daily as both my reward and punishment, but yes it is the way my clothes, and for me, my ballgowns fit that tell the real story. Then for me as time went on I found it was not enough to know that simply things fit better but I wanted to know the whys behind it, and how my body was working and reacting to my actions.

I had a great work out today. During the week my time is so tight I have to be conscience of the clock when I am in the gym while on the week-ends I can stay there all day if I am so inclined! Our competition season begins in one month, we will then compete about every six weeks until November. Here is my motivation... This is one of the gowns I will start the season with, leaving zero room for error.... The back on this gown is completly open, the skirts beginning at the top of my tailbone.

happysinglemom
February 10th, 2008, 08:22 PM
For me I too get on the scale daily as both my reward and punishment,

Yeah that's a good way to put it. It keeps me in line and focused; it's my discipline. ;)

but yes it is the way my clothes, and for me, my ballgowns fit that tell the real story. Then for me as time went on I found it was not enough to know that simply things fit better but I wanted to know the whys behind it, and how my body was working and reacting to my actions.

I agree. If you pay attention, you do eventually figure out how your own body works, and the weight-loss puzzle is not so puzzling any more - just a matter of discipline.

I had a great work out today. During the week my time is so tight I have to be conscience of the clock when I am in the gym while on the week-ends I can stay there all day if I am so inclined!

Good going on the workout! I too had a great one. I did the step mill for 65 min...burned 650 calories according to my HRM...:)...and then I did a 1.5 hour strength training workout...for another 400 calories. (And I really only use those numbers as a relative measure, workout to workout.) I love when I have plenty of time to do everything I want...especially on those "strong" days like today where I feel like I can work out for hours!! Like you, I too am usually pressed for time...so I really enjoy days like today.

Brenda33
February 11th, 2008, 08:02 AM
Good morning....

First let me say.... beautiful dress Smooth!!! I'm sure you will look fabulous!!

OK, I was so excited telling you all about how my dress fit, etc. But I still don't get it....Last Monday I had lost a pound...then one day during the week another pound....WOO HOO......today I get on the scale and it says I gained a pound! What the _____??? I have never in my life worked out as hard as I did this past week. I actually made it the most important thing I did each day! I eat all the right foods, etc. I am starting to believe I am destined to be this weight forever. I know...."step it up"....only I physically don't feel I can. I am beating the crap out of my body as it is. Remember that I am a person who never does exercise at all.....walking up the stairs made me huff and puff.....although I am happy to say I didn't huff and puff lately when going up my stairs. So yeah great...I'm healthy, body parts are shifting....but I am still not close to where I want to be.

Alright, I whined....I feel better....now time to get ready to go sweat. Have a great day everyone.

Chigirlcruzin
February 11th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Good morning....

First let me say.... beautiful dress Smooth!!! I'm sure you will look fabulous!!

OK, I was so excited telling you all about how my dress fit, etc. But I still don't get it....Last Monday I had lost a pound...then one day during the week another pound....WOO HOO......today I get on the scale and it says I gained a pound! What the _____??? I have never in my life worked out as hard as I did this past week. I actually made it the most important thing I did each day! I eat all the right foods, etc. I am starting to believe I am destined to be this weight forever. I know...."step it up"....only I physically don't feel I can. I am beating the crap out of my body as it is. Remember that I am a person who never does exercise at all.....walking up the stairs made me huff and puff.....although I am happy to say I didn't huff and puff lately when going up my stairs. So yeah great...I'm healthy, body parts are shifting....but I am still not close to where I want to be.

Alright, I whined....I feel better....now time to get ready to go sweat. Have a great day everyone.


Step away from the scale...so many factors are involved in your weight at a particular point in time...weighing yourself so frequently is not going to be helpful. I see smooth and happysinglemom weigh themselves every day...that is fine for them, and if that works for them, great. I don't believe you should do the same as it seems the swings really get to you. The most important thing is the "Pant-o-meter" as my sister likes to say. The weight will come off if you cut back on calories and exercise. Keep going, you will be fine.

happysinglemom
February 11th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Step away from the scale...so many factors are involved in your weight at a particular point in time...weighing yourself so frequently is not going to be helpful. I see smooth and happysinglemom weigh themselves every day...that is fine for them, and if that works for them, great. I don't believe you should do the same as it seems the swings really get to you. The most important thing is the "Pant-o-meter" as my sister likes to say. The weight will come off if you cut back on calories and exercise. Keep going, you will be fine.

What she said. :rolleyes: ;)

Remember what I said about fluctuations??? If you cannot take them in stride, then assign yourself a "weigh-in" day, and weigh ONLY on that day.
And there is no need to "beat the crap" out of your body either. I do insanely long workouts occasionally, (my boyfriend thinks I'm nuts) but I worked up to this level over a long period of time. Still - I never feel as if I have "beaten myself up". In fact I feel much more energized AFTER a good workout, than before.

What affects my weight more than ANYTHING, without question, is what I put into my mouth. I am a notorious junk-food junkie deep down, and probably always will be. :o For me it is an exercise in restraint every day to stay away from those foods that pack on pounds so quickly for me. I do it by journaling - whether I write it on paper or do it online, that is what I need to do in order to ensure I stay within my maintenance range. If I stop, as I did the last few months, it is a foregone conclusion that I will gain fat. I think many people don't have a good understanding of what their body really needs. My boyfriend said to me recently "With all the cardio you do, you should be able to eat anything you want!!". Yeah. Right. :cool: One M&M and you have to walk the length of a football field to burn it off!! So make sure you are accurately tracking what you eat - it makes a huge difference!!

Check out this article... (http://www.dietdetective.com/dev/content/view/1876/158/)

http://www.dietdetective.com/dev/content/view/1876/158/

Gathina
February 11th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Brenda: Ok, here's a Monday morning dose of Menina..who CARES why ..when it fits rejoice..when it doesn't, don't beat yourself up. Move on and stay on the plan.

Remember: sodium, sodium, sodium..it's in everything..and weight fluctuates too depending on stress levels, cortisol levels, adrenals, sleep levels, melatonin, all kinds of stuff with neurochemistry I won't bore you with.

If you keep thinking you're destined to be this way forever, you will be. My darling sweetheart is a marine. One day I failed a test in a brain thing I needed for my PhD. He was in Iraq at the time. I was whining about the test and he told me "Everyday when I see a marine in my unit die I can either complain and call myself a f### up because I was the responsible leader, or I can get back on the horse and keep riding. You get back on the horse and keep riding".

I NEVER forgot that and everytime I want to complain or whine about something small like the scale fluctuating . It IS all in the mind. Dont' give it space in your mind or you will fail. You are doing a great job. But you've got to keep riding the horse...

M.


Good morning....

First let me say.... beautiful dress Smooth!!! I'm sure you will look fabulous!!

OK, I was so excited telling you all about how my dress fit, etc. But I still don't get it....Last Monday I had lost a pound...then one day during the week another pound....WOO HOO......today I get on the scale and it says I gained a pound! What the _____??? I have never in my life worked out as hard as I did this past week. I actually made it the most important thing I did each day! I eat all the right foods, etc. I am starting to believe I am destined to be this weight forever. I know...."step it up"....only I physically don't feel I can. I am beating the crap out of my body as it is. Remember that I am a person who never does exercise at all.....walking up the stairs made me huff and puff.....although I am happy to say I didn't huff and puff lately when going up my stairs. So yeah great...I'm healthy, body parts are shifting....but I am still not close to where I want to be.

Alright, I whined....I feel better....now time to get ready to go sweat. Have a great day everyone.

Brenda33
February 11th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Brenda: Ok, here's a Monday morning dose of Menina..who CARES why ..when it fits rejoice..when it doesn't, don't beat yourself up. Move on and stay on the plan.

Remember: sodium, sodium, sodium..it's in everything..and weight fluctuates too depending on stress levels, cortisol levels, adrenals, sleep levels, melatonin, all kinds of stuff with neurochemistry I won't bore you with.

If you keep thinking you're destined to be this way forever, you will be. My darling sweetheart is a marine. One day I failed a test in a brain thing I needed for my PhD. He was in Iraq at the time. I was whining about the test and he told me "Everyday when I see a marine in my unit die I can either complain and call myself a f### up because I was the responsible leader, or I can get back on the horse and keep riding. You get back on the horse and keep riding".

I NEVER forgot that and everytime I want to complain or whine about something small like the scale fluctuating . It IS all in the mind. Dont' give it space in your mind or you will fail. You are doing a great job. But you've got to keep riding the horse...

M.

Thank you......You always seem to help me. You even bring tears to my eyes. I'm climbing on that horse. AND I worked out for 1 hour and 15 minutes today!!!

smoothdancer
February 11th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Chigirl may just be leading you down the right path. Shoot, my scale goes up and down too, gain a pound, loose a pound but I am not bothered by it.

Here is the way I look at it... There is fake loose a pound result, and then the real thing. When I loose a pound, stay right on track, the next day I may be up. I am getting on the scale everyday to see when that pound will stabilize, even if I say go out to dinner and was not all that careful, and I still have that pound loss, then it becomes the real thing. Often my goal is not to loose another pound but just keep the one I have lost. I dont loose weight rapidly and I just take it one pound at a time, sometimes to stabilize that one pound can take a few weeks.... As long as it keeps happening I am OK with it. If you cant deal with this up and down that happens, maybe try a once a week weigh in... Now that would drive me crazy!

Brenda33
February 11th, 2008, 06:13 PM
Smooth....The lady at Curves tells me I am torturing myself with the weigh in everyday also. She says she weighs herself every Friday. I think that is easier said than done. I was actually excited and thought I lost weight.....I almost threw the darn scale out the window though. :eek:

Gathina
February 12th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Brenda: don't stress yourself on the workouts too hard or you'll injure youself. I'm amazed you are doing an hour. But as you're still new at it I wouldn't push it too much more beyond that.

Garfield said "Diet is Die with a T". I think you need to tell yourself that you are getting healthier. So when people say something, you say "I decided this was the year I was going to focus on my health and on me" as this is really what it's all about.

Do you like to cook? I do and I can share with you a lot of international recipes that are very healthy and low in carbs, some vegetarian. It's a fun thing for me to relax. I rarely eat meat rather than chicken or fish, I eat al ot of beans plus they are filling.

Singlemom: You're right YOU are the only one who controls what goes in your mouth! :) We all are :)

Brenda33
February 12th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Gathina, I do like to cook. I cook all my meals except usually Saturday nights. My question of the day was going to involve what foods are OK...? Anyhow, I have been eating things like grilled chicken, veggies, veggie soup....bean soups....etc. I have not really incorporated any other meats like pork or beef. I did make shrimp one night. But, other than some shell fish I do not like fish. Is it OK to eat pork or beef or will that totally kill my diet? I try to eat very low fat and I am afraid if its not chicken, shrimp or veggies I may kill the entire diet. But, I am starting to get bored. The other day I made 99% fat free ground turkey breast meatballs and whole grain pasta. That was a nice change....but I need more. The way I used to eat is a steak with baked potato and veggies one night....pork chops with rice another night...then a pot roast with mashed potatoes and gravy, etc. I am really missing all these foods. So how can I get more variety? I would love recipes! Oh and are potatoes a totall no-no since they have carbs? Thanks for all your help everyone!

Chigirlcruzin
February 12th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Brenda, the surest way to "fail" in a "diet" is to limit your foods too much. Pork can be very lean, just trim off any visible fat. I love pork tenderloin! Beef can be too - filet mignon, even ground beef (I use 95% fat free that makes a cup of my chili only 3 WW points!). Potatoes are very lo-cal and have a lot of nutritional value; sweet potatoes are even better. The trick is in preparation and portion size. When you add a lot of sauces, butter, etc, you're going to up the calories. If you grill or broil, you can get great flavor and keep the meat lo-cal. Baked potatoes over mashed. Brown rice over white. I have a couple great cookbooks - Better Homes and Gardens New Dieters Cookbook Volumes 1 and 2. Lots of great ideas in here. Also, allrecipes.com of kraft.com have a lot of great recipes, and the nutritional info is included.

Gathina
February 12th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Others will disagree with me, but I believe you can eat everything that is healthy IF you don't load it with crap and IF you weigh/measure correct portion sizes. If you check out the thread on this board "Easiest Diet Ever No Joke" I posted some recipes on there.

Meat has so many hormones in it I won't eat it unless I know it's organic. It costs more but it tastes so much better and doesn't shrink much. I just sacrafice in some other area. One thing you could do is hit your vegetable market and try a new vegetable or fruit each week and use the internet to find a good recipe. I love Yucca (casava) as it is like potato and it tastes great with a little chopped garlic and lemon juice sauce. I eat brown rice a lot with raw cashews, scallions and dried cranberries (it's one of the ones I posted) and also eat kidney beans. They are a bargain at 1/2 cup serving for the protein and low fat/carbs. I also make an artichoke pizza..has a cornmeal wheat free gluten free crust, some sliced tomatoes on top, drained aritchoke hearts and a sprinkling of parmesan..YUM.

Will post more, am at work and have to head to Miami...M

Gathina, I do like to cook. I cook all my meals except usually Saturday nights. My question of the day was going to involve what foods are OK...? Anyhow, I have been eating things like grilled chicken, veggies, veggie soup....bean soups....etc. I have not really incorporated any other meats like pork or beef. I did make shrimp one night. But, other than some shell fish I do not like fish. Is it OK to eat pork or beef or will that totally kill my diet? I try to eat very low fat and I am afraid if its not chicken, shrimp or veggies I may kill the entire diet. But, I am starting to get bored. The other day I made 99% fat free ground turkey breast meatballs and whole grain pasta. That was a nice change....but I need more. The way I used to eat is a steak with baked potato and veggies one night....pork chops with rice another night...then a pot roast with mashed potatoes and gravy, etc. I am really missing all these foods. So how can I get more variety? I would love recipes! Oh and are potatoes a totall no-no since they have carbs? Thanks for all your help everyone!

smoothdancer
February 12th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I also have the New Dieters cook book, it is great. Although I don’t follow weight watchers, they also have put out some good cookbooks. It might be a good idea to invest in a good cookbook or start to research recipes on line. Some of my best recipes have come from those little cookbooks you find near the check out in the grocery store. I will not buy a cookbook that does not have both the calorie and nutritional value for each recipe, and then I can stay within my eating goals and still have variety...

Lets see,. I will make stuffed peppers, with a turkey meat, cooked in crushed tomatoes in my crock pot, and usually on the week-ends will make a pork roast with veggies or pot roast and for myself choose the lean cuts with lots of veggies. It is important to me to have dinner with my husband and with a little planning can find meals that satisfy us both.

happysinglemom
February 12th, 2008, 05:39 PM
I did follow Weight Watchers 6 years ago, never joined, but bought the books and followed the plan. It helped me lose the 60 pounds, and I've sort of stayed with that philosophy ever since then, though it's really all about portion control. I now know that a meat serving is 3 oz, how big that is (believe me I was eating WAY more than that!!). And I learned to eat only when I am HUNGRY - not by the clock. I never "go out to lunch" at work - I have saved endless $$$ and calories that way!! :D (I always bring my lunch, and my lunch hour is spent at the gym.) If you don't have a food scale, you might want to get one - it really helps when you know how much you are really eating. Also, I rarely use a traditional cookbook anymore (though I have several), I use allrecipes.com, cooks.com, recipezaar.com, and other online sources, that offer nutrition analysis. Also, I just recently found out that Sparkspeople has a recipe analyzer, you enter the ingredients and it provides you with the nutritional analysis. I have done many of my old home "favorites" that way. Some are pretty heavy, so it just means I have a lot less, but I still get to enjoy!! ;)

Chigirlcruzin
February 12th, 2008, 09:06 PM
I did follow Weight Watchers 6 years ago, never joined, but bought the books and followed the plan. It helped me lose the 60 pounds, and I've sort of stayed with that philosophy ever since then, though it's really all about portion control. I now know that a meat serving is 3 oz, how big that is (believe me I was eating WAY more than that!!). And I learned to eat only when I am HUNGRY - not by the clock. I never "go out to lunch" at work - I have saved endless $$$ and calories that way!! :D (I always bring my lunch, and my lunch hour is spent at the gym.) If you don't have a food scale, you might want to get one - it really helps when you know how much you are really eating. Also, I rarely use a traditional cookbook anymore (though I have several), I use allrecipes.com, cooks.com, recipezaar.com, and other online sources, that offer nutrition analysis. Also, I just recently found out that Sparkspeople has a recipe analyzer, you enter the ingredients and it provides you with the nutritional analysis. I have done many of my old home "favorites" that way. Some are pretty heavy, so it just means I have a lot less, but I still get to enjoy!! ;)

I second this advice, and thanks for the new sites to visit. Restaurant portions are so huge that our idea of what a true serving size is skewed. I had a business function last night - not a sit down dinner, but heavy hor deouvres (I know I butchered that). One of the things they had was a carving station with roasted turkey...people were saying they were going to go home and have a full dinner...I was like, this is my dinner (along with veggies), this is an appropriate serving size lol! The scale will be a big help, and you'll get to the point that you know what a cup is, what 3 oz is, etc.

Chigirlcruzin
February 12th, 2008, 09:06 PM
I did follow Weight Watchers 6 years ago, never joined, but bought the books and followed the plan. It helped me lose the 60 pounds, and I've sort of stayed with that philosophy ever since then, though it's really all about portion control. I now know that a meat serving is 3 oz, how big that is (believe me I was eating WAY more than that!!). And I learned to eat only when I am HUNGRY - not by the clock. I never "go out to lunch" at work - I have saved endless $$$ and calories that way!! :D (I always bring my lunch, and my lunch hour is spent at the gym.) If you don't have a food scale, you might want to get one - it really helps when you know how much you are really eating. Also, I rarely use a traditional cookbook anymore (though I have several), I use allrecipes.com, cooks.com, recipezaar.com, and other online sources, that offer nutrition analysis. Also, I just recently found out that Sparkspeople has a recipe analyzer, you enter the ingredients and it provides you with the nutritional analysis. I have done many of my old home "favorites" that way. Some are pretty heavy, so it just means I have a lot less, but I still get to enjoy!! ;)

I second this advice, and thanks for the new sites to visit. Restaurant portions are so huge that our idea of what a true serving size is skewed. I had a business function last night - not a sit down dinner, but heavy hor deouvres (I know I butchered that). One of the things they had was a carving station with roasted turkey...people were saying they were going to go home and have a full dinner...I was like, this is my dinner (along with veggies), this is an appropriate serving size lol! The scale will be a big help, and you'll get to the point that you know what a cup is, what 3 oz is, etc.

Gathina
February 13th, 2008, 07:05 AM
Ugh..what a good example of how we view food in the "wrong" way! I've traveled to Europe, S. America, and Asian countries and I've NEVER seen things like people standing around eating aimlessly or walking down the street eating or driving, and it is rare to find an all you can eat buffet. A lot of people eat together with their families at night (how I was raised). It's all about timing and planning.

Brenda: Do you like hummus? It's easy to make. A can of drained chickpeas or garbanzos, 1/2 cup tahini, lots of lemon juice, garlic, cumin, and a drizzle of olive oil. Process in the food processer untli smooth. You may have to tweak the lemon juice and seasonings to your preference. I use an entire head of garlic. You can peel it quickly by popping it in the microwave for 10 seconds then the skins pinch right off.

Another thing I like alot is orzo. Whole Foods sells a tricolor orzo in the bulk section. I take two cups of cooked orzo (about 1 cup dried) , 4 cloves minced garlic, half a diced green pepper, a pint of halved grape tomatoes and mixed with 1 cup red wine vinegar. I let that set for an hour to blend the flavors, THEN I add almost an entire bunch of fresh basil leaves, and mix that all together. It makes about 4 servings. You don't eat much of the orzo becaue you are eating more of the veggies. It's very filling. Fresh herbs go along way with flavor. You can taste the food and less of the sauces.

I guess what I'm saying is you have to get adventurous. In Fla we have so many different ethnicities. I've found I can get the best vegetables sometimes in the Oriental or Carribean markets, and if you have an adventurous spirit like me the cooking international thing can be fun..M

I second this advice, and thanks for the new sites to visit. Restaurant portions are so huge that our idea of what a true serving size is skewed. I had a business function last night - not a sit down dinner, but heavy hor deouvres (I know I butchered that). One of the things they had was a carving station with roasted turkey...people were saying they were going to go home and have a full dinner...I was like, this is my dinner (along with veggies), this is an appropriate serving size lol! The scale will be a big help, and you'll get to the point that you know what a cup is, what 3 oz is, etc.

happysinglemom
February 13th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Brenda: Do you like hummus?

Oh my do I love hummus! :) I had heard it mentioned on WW often, and I saw it in the grocery stores, but I just figured it tasted blech (although I do like chick peas in my salad). Well, one day I saw some on sale, (Sabra's Supremely Spicy - I love HOT!) and took a chance. Got it home and tried it. WOW! :eek: Now I have to fight my son for it - we just love it!! I pretty much always have some in the fridge. Never tried making my own though - don't know if I could ever match the taste of the Sabra - it is awesome. So yeah, I totally agree - it pays to be adventuresome!

Gathina
February 13th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Hummus is SO easy to make and SO much cheaper than what you can buy in the store..the cost of a can of tahini is the same as ready made hummus but you can make maybe 7 batches out of it. I like to experiment, I add a few black olives or you can add sun dried tomatoes, lots of different things. But I about kill my friends when I throw a hole head of garlic in it and bring it to a party.

Oh my do I love hummus! :) I had heard it mentioned on WW often, and I saw it in the grocery stores, but I just figured it tasted blech (although I do like chick peas in my salad). Well, one day I saw some on sale, (Sabra's Supremely Spicy - I love HOT!) and took a chance. Got it home and tried it. WOW! :eek: Now I have to fight my son for it - we just love it!! I pretty much always have some in the fridge. Never tried making my own though - don't know if I could ever match the taste of the Sabra - it is awesome. So yeah, I totally agree - it pays to be adventuresome!

happysinglemom
February 13th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Well, I just might have to try it!! ;)

Brenda33
February 14th, 2008, 06:28 AM
Well I posted last night......It didn't work! LOL

Happy Valentine's Day all!

What is Tahini? Where do u buy it?

Does anyone know the correct portions size for COOKED whole grain pasta? Is it 1 cup?

Can a lack of food alter the way you are behaving? I have been very edgy the past few days....snapping at people, etc. Is my body freaking for some reason?

Gathina
February 14th, 2008, 07:06 AM
Saw a website once, I believe it was www.calories.com (http://www.calories.com) and it gave calories for almost everything imaginable.

Serving size of pasta: check the box labels, as is true for all your foods. I think it's like 1/2 cup. Pasta tastes ok to me, but is so "blah". Try some of the more exotic grains like quinona, couscous, orzo. Those typically have a whole lot more fiber than pasta does. Whole wheat pasta is probably better, but in the end the wheat , because of the gluten, is not real conducive to weight loss.

Edgy: Of course it can affect your moods. You're cleaning out all the garbage out of your system. Carbs trigger insulin which can trigger certain parts of the brain that have to do with feelings and emotions (I won't bore you with the specific parts!) I bet if you don't eat carbs for awhile then you eat them again they will either make you sick or you'll lose your taste for them. Also, remember yours stomach, but more so your "mind" is balking at having less food. Tell yourself and your stomach you'll get over it. The reality is you stretched it out from all the bad food you ate and gained the weight. Ya, that sucks and it hurts but it's reality so face it and move on.

Tahini: You can buy it in any natural foods grocery store. Some regular grocery stores like Publix sell it in the greenwise section. Tahini is a sesame seed paste. You can also buy it in an Indian supermarket.

Happy Valentines Day!

smoothdancer
February 14th, 2008, 07:38 AM
You can also try WWW.Sparkpeople.com for a good calorie counter. Still, pasta is hard to measure isnt it? I think I read somewhere that a "fist" of pasta is a serving. Me, I love pasta so generally I stay away from it because there is no way I can stop at a serving. I love orzo, too.

My eating habits have really gone in the toliet that past 2 days. I hate when this happens. From nowhere I loose all my willpower. That is what makes me irrrtable, not lack of food. Well, today is a new day.

Brenda33
February 14th, 2008, 09:00 AM
GOOD NEWS! Well first off, don't know if I said, but that mysterious pound that went back and forth is GONE....not only is that one gone, but another one too!!!!! What a great way to start a day!!!! I started at 143 and am now 135!!!! I am sooooooooooo happy!!! I needed that after the day I was having yesterday.

I had one cup of whole grain pasta......but it was whole grain and had 5 grams of fiber. Anything smaller feels like not even eating! lol As it is, one cup is about 1/3 of what I usually eat!!! I'll have to try and figure out the box....and adjust my serving size from there. Orzo is actually pasta. I have used it in this house all the time. I use it in soups. (although I haven't added any lately) We eat couscous also.....I like that with sauteed zucchini, onions, garlic and tomatoes (and herbs) over it.

NailLady
February 14th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Your behavior can be affected by not getting enough calories. You need enough calories for your body to work ( around 1200 -1500 I believe ) also to lose weight you need to eat enough. Sounds like you are doing that so it might just be your body adjusting to your new lifestyle. :)

happysinglemom
February 15th, 2008, 02:04 AM
Your behavior can be affected by not getting enough calories. You need enough calories for your body to work ( around 1200 -1500 I believe ) also to lose weight you need to eat enough. Sounds like you are doing that so it might just be your body adjusting to your new lifestyle. :)


That is a oft-quoted range, and I've seen it mentioned in many weight-loss plans. However, it should be mentioned that that range is a very general range, for the average person. Everyone's body works differently, and each person has to learn how their own works. When I was doing the WW points plan, the lowest point range was 18 to 22, which translates to around 900 to 1100 calories. Then, and now, that is pretty much what I have to stay at, in order to lose. 1200 - 1500 calories a day, for me, is maintenance. :cool:

NailLady
February 15th, 2008, 11:23 AM
That is a oft-quoted range, and I've seen it mentioned in many weight-loss plans. However, it should be mentioned that that range is a very general range, for the average person. Everyone's body works differently, and each person has to learn how their own works. When I was doing the WW points plan, the lowest point range was 18 to 22, which translates to around 900 to 1100 calories. Then, and now, that is pretty much what I have to stay at, in order to lose. 1200 - 1500 calories a day, for me, is maintenance. :cool:

You have a point, though I think it would depend a lot on what the body is used to consuming too. If someone is used to consuming 2000 calories then a decrease to 1500 would be a good starting point. Maybe. I'm not an expert though. :D I don't even count calories when I have on the average day I'm low, but I eat when I'm hungry (3 meals with 3 snacks each day ) because this is what works for me. Having trouble taking off the last 5 lbs though. :rolleyes:

happysinglemom
February 15th, 2008, 12:26 PM
You have a point, though I think it would depend a lot on what the body is used to consuming too. If someone is used to consuming 2000 calories then a decrease to 1500 would be a good starting point. Maybe. I'm not an expert though. :D I don't even count calories when I have on the average day I'm low, but I eat when I'm hungry (3 meals with 3 snacks each day ) because this is what works for me. Having trouble taking off the last 5 lbs though. :rolleyes:

Well sure, it definitely would depend on what you are currently eating. I surely did not start at that when I began my weight loss "adventure" :p 6 years ago. Back then, I was eating probably at least 2000 a day. But I gradually trained myself to eat less (and healthier), so now my normal maintenance calories is around 1200 to 1300 a day. But a few months of inching above that, and I found myself with 6 - 8 extra pounds. :eek: So it's back to my "losing range". I'm down almost 5 now, just takes a while!!

I absolutely have to count - I journal every single thing that goes in my mouth. Otherwise I lose track and find myself thinking at the end of the day that I didn't eat anything hardly...when in fact, I ate PLENTY! Yep, everyone has to figure out what works for them, and stick with it!

Gathina
February 15th, 2008, 12:49 PM
People eat more than they think they do so the journaling is a good thing.

I'm home today..I made some bean soup with aduzki beans in the pressure cooker..YUM..they are Japanese beans, I threw in some creole seasoning and splenda. Not sure on the calorie count but very yummy!

Well sure, it definitely would depend on what you are currently eating. I surely did not start at that when I began my weight loss "adventure" :p 6 years ago. Back then, I was eating probably at least 2000 a day. But I gradually trained myself to eat less (and healthier), so now my normal maintenance calories is around 1200 to 1300 a day. But a few months of inching above that, and I found myself with 6 - 8 extra pounds. :eek: So it's back to my "losing range". I'm down almost 5 now, just takes a while!!

I absolutely have to count - I journal every single thing that goes in my mouth. Otherwise I lose track and find myself thinking at the end of the day that I didn't eat anything hardly...when in fact, I ate PLENTY! Yep, everyone has to figure out what works for them, and stick with it!

smoothdancer
February 15th, 2008, 06:36 PM
Yummm Sounds good. To bad for me though since my operation I was told to stay away from beans, so I cant follow suit.

Last night after our dance lesson we stopped at Applebies. Being Valentines day it was very croweded and I observed how this holiday, if that is what it is, is celebrated by eating... They have a nice fish and a WW section that usually works for me. I have to stay away with the salads because they serve them with dressing that is full of sugar, certainly not low in calories. I then noticed the menu was changed and now they have these trios... You order a fried starter, main meal and a dessert all for $ 10.00 or so.... Tons of these orders were being served and I thought now wonder so many people are overweight, it is our culture.

I get lazy, after work, then our dance coaching session, I dont feel like cooking and we stop somewhere to grab a bite. It reminded me that even if tired, I am so much better cooking at home.

Gathina
February 15th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Smooth: If we knew what was in the restaraunt food we probaly wouldn't eat it at all! Did you ever notice how you could have the exact same meal at a mom/pop diner and a chain restaurant and it always taste better at the mom and pop place as it is HOME cooked! I think I mentioned I have my meats cut into single serving sizes and wrapped individually so I can throw something on the grill quick, and I cut my veggies up ahead of time.

Brenda: I was thinking about your calorie question. You are exercising a LOT so it is natural you will be a little more hungry. So that's when you need to find a post work out snack for after, less than 200 calories. I suggest an apple as it's fresh, has a lot of fiber and can be very filling.

Yummm Sounds good. To bad for me though since my operation I was told to stay away from beans, so I cant follow suit.

Last night after our dance lesson we stopped at Applebies. Being Valentines day it was very croweded and I observed how this holiday, if that is what it is, is celebrated by eating... They have a nice fish and a WW section that usually works for me. I have to stay away with the salads because they serve them with dressing that is full of sugar, certainly not low in calories. I then noticed the menu was changed and now they have these trios... You order a fried starter, main meal and a dessert all for $ 10.00 or so.... Tons of these orders were being served and I thought now wonder so many people are overweight, it is our culture.

I get lazy, after work, then our dance coaching session, I dont feel like cooking and we stop somewhere to grab a bite. It reminded me that even if tired, I am so much better cooking at home.

Brenda33
February 16th, 2008, 07:39 AM
Good morning all!! I am so happy. I lost another pound! Total of 9 pounds!!! I am now 134. Everytime I lose a pound it gives me so much energy and desire to continue going!! I have to say Curves is really helping. Its kicking my butt, and paying off. I'm starting to get used to eating less and much differently. I made spaghetti squash last night. I couldn't believe how good it was. It reminds me of chinese food. Anyhow, I wish I tried that years ago!! Have a great day all!

Gathina
February 16th, 2008, 09:47 AM
Brenda, how exciting! This is a great motivator to all of us. It's been about 3 weeks, right?? See, we told you it'd be easier to go with less food once you got used to it!

Someone gave me a fine chocolate yesterday...not a bigt sweet eater anyway but I tell you, it'd been so long that I'd had any chocolate I wanted to vomit. My MIL gave me a jamaican beef patty for dinner last night and then I was on the toilet for an hour as I wasn't used to eating anything with wheat or gluten. That was a good reinforcer to stick to healthy eating.

I bet now that you're losing weight you're learning that the pot roast and mashed potatoes that was your best friend is now a mere acquaintance!

Good morning all!! I am so happy. I lost another pound! Total of 9 pounds!!! I am now 134. Everytime I lose a pound it gives me so much energy and desire to continue going!! I have to say Curves is really helping. Its kicking my butt, and paying off. I'm starting to get used to eating less and much differently. I made spaghetti squash last night. I couldn't believe how good it was. It reminds me of chinese food. Anyhow, I wish I tried that years ago!! Have a great day all!

Brenda33
February 16th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I actually will look at the pot roast and mashed potatoes as a special occassion food. I do still miss it, but I realize its not something to eat all the time....especially when still trying to lose weight. Its been about 3 1/2 weeks for the 9 pound weight loss....well almost 4 weeks ;). I just pray it keeps happening. Wow...I can't imagine actually getting sick from eating something like chocolate or a burger!! I don't care about the chocolate but boy would I LOVE a nice juice rare burger with raw onion, bacon and bleu cheese.....ahhhhhhhhhhhh.........OK, I'm done. LOL But, good news is tonight is my night out and I will get to eat a bit. I LOVE SATURDAY NIGHT!!! Have a great day!

NailLady
February 16th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Brenda you are doing great. :D Keep at it.

Brenda33
February 16th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Brenda you are doing great. :D Keep at it.

Thank you so much Marie!:)

Chigirlcruzin
February 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM
I actually will look at the pot roast and mashed potatoes as a special occassion food. I do still miss it, but I realize its not something to eat all the time....especially when still trying to lose weight. Its been about 3 1/2 weeks for the 9 pound weight loss....well almost 4 weeks ;). I just pray it keeps happening. Wow...I can't imagine actually getting sick from eating something like chocolate or a burger!! I don't care about the chocolate but boy would I LOVE a nice juice rare burger with raw onion, bacon and bleu cheese.....ahhhhhhhhhhhh.........OK, I'm done. LOL But, good news is tonight is my night out and I will get to eat a bit. I LOVE SATURDAY NIGHT!!! Have a great day!


I'm with you here...can't imagine getting sick from chocolate or a burger...in fact, I'm craving a burger about now. Maybe I'll make one with 95% fat free sirloin. Pizza is another thing I'm craving. How was dinner last night? It was a friend's birthday, and we went to a steakhouse. I save points so I could have a small filet, and it was heaven! The waitress brought a small dessert for the b-day girl...it was perfect - we each took one bite and passed it along to the next person. It was the club afterward that killed me...I had 4 drinks there - 8 points! And I'm feeling it now, LOL! However, I'm down 2.5 pounds. I had a 3 week plateau. I spoke with a trainer and a WW leader, and they both said with my activity level (hour to hour and a half of HIGH intensity doing spinning, a latin dance/martial arts class, kwando, treadmill, or elliptical plus strength training), I wasn't eating enough, so body was "hanging on" to what I was giving it. I upped my food intake, and I lost weight! Woo Hoo! Counter-intuitive, but I'm not going to argue. So that's 15 pounds since 1/5. I have 7 more to go!

Chigirlcruzin
February 17th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Someone gave me a fine chocolate yesterday...not a bigt sweet eater anyway but I tell you, it'd been so long that I'd had any chocolate I wanted to vomit. My MIL gave me a jamaican beef patty for dinner last night and then I was on the toilet for an hour as I wasn't used to eating anything with wheat or gluten. That was a good reinforcer to stick to healthy eating.



Why do you consider wheat and gluten to not be healthy? I don't know much about gluten, but I eat whole wheat pasta, bread (whole wheat, not the blends), and I've always thought this was very healthy.

Gathina
February 17th, 2008, 12:14 PM
I don't consider it unhealthy at all. What it does for me and many others is allow us to not lose weight. Read the thread on this board "Easiest Diet Ever, no joke". I have found that for me, I lose weight the fastest with no sugar, no wheat, or no gluten. I have lost my taste for about anything that has it,and when I do eat something with it I get sick to my stomach. There is a bunch of neurochemistry stuff I could explain to you on what it has do to with weight loss but it's complicated to explain. I don't have celiac disease or anything, I just lose weight FAST when I drop these other things and I can live without them now that I don't have a taste for them.

Why do you consider wheat and gluten to not be healthy? I don't know much about gluten, but I eat whole wheat pasta, bread (whole wheat, not the blends), and I've always thought this was very healthy.

Brenda33
February 17th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Chigirl.....dinner last night was heaven! I had 2 glasses of wine, 2 pieces of bread, stuffed mushrooms.......I ate all that....but then I had only a few bites of my actual dinner, which was rigatoni with chicken arugula in a light tomato sauce. I find that I am not as hungry after almost a month of dieting. I used to be able to go to a restaurant and polish off every bite. But now, I order what I would like and eat only what I really want. I don't stuff myself anymore. I like the appetizers the best so I usually polish that off, but then pick at my dinner and I still feel I had so much!! Anyhow, for me, I can't seem to completely give up certain foods. I don't possess the willpower. For me to give up wheat, etc. I would feel tortured. As it is, at home I have switched to whole grain pasta and measure it and whole grain bread also....and don't eat that everyday either. I am trying....but I cannot completely say NO to anything just yet. It has been a month since I have had beef and I am missing that a little. Mostly, I am missing mashed potatoes with gravy...but I am putting that off as long as possible. This next week is going to be rough because I do have my normal Saturday night dinner plans...this time with friends....and on Thursday its my son's 6th bday and he is pushing for RED ROBIN!! OH NO!!..BURGERS AND FRIES!!!! I CAN'T!!! But, can I resist? I am going to look at the menu and see if there are any smart choices. If anyone who is smart about this stuff can look at the menu and advise me it would be greatly appreciated!!! Congrats with your weight loss. I know what a struggle it is. I think about it constantly!!! Not a second goes by that I am not thinking about my weight. A goal of mine is after I reach a certain point I want to just keep living this way and stop worrying about every little thing 24/7. I don't think that can be healthy either.....can it?

Well back to cleaning......almost time to do the floors...that is really a good workout!! Have a great day everyone! :)

Gathina
February 17th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Brenda: Ok....here's some "food for thought". I'm sure everyone will disagree with me.

It's not about willpower. It's about needs and wants. Why did you "need" to have 2 glasses of wine and 2 pieces of bread instead of a single serving of each? Don't say "because I wanted to and it tasted good". That's a want, not a need. Why do you "need" to have beef? Why do you "need" to have mashed potatoes? Again, it's not because you miss them , that's not a need. That's a want.

Why do you "need" to have a hamburger and fries? You have the rest of your life to eat that. Ok, so maybe you eat the hamburger without the bread and 5 french fries. But then again, I wouldn't put myself in a position to torture yourself. Your too obsessed with thinking of this as a diet, you even called it a diet in your post. Youre supposed to think of it as a lifestyle change.

You can't completely say no? I don't think you ever tried to. Yes it's about moderation and cutting back. But when did you ever really try to say no to something and then feel great because you did say no? Is it going to kill you to not have a hamburger and fries just because it's your sons birthday? Why don't you eat a healthy meal at home first then maybe have a small salad or a soup when yo uget there..if you even are hungry then?

What feels better...eating pot roast and mashed potatoes or something else that isn't the best for you..or the guilt you feel beating yourself up after? If you think eating it now feels better, then you lose your right to complain after you pig out!

Keep up the good work! Menina :)


Chigirl.....dinner last night was heaven! I had 2 glasses of wine, 2 pieces of bread, stuffed mushrooms.......I ate all that....but then I had only a few bites of my actual dinner, which was rigatoni with chicken arugula in a light tomato sauce. I find that I am not as hungry after almost a month of dieting. I used to be able to go to a restaurant and polish off every bite. But now, I order what I would like and eat only what I really want. I don't stuff myself anymore. I like the appetizers the best so I usually polish that off, but then pick at my dinner and I still feel I had so much!! Anyhow, for me, I can't seem to completely give up certain foods. I don't possess the willpower. For me to give up wheat, etc. I would feel tortured. As it is, at home I have switched to whole grain pasta and measure it and whole grain bread also....and don't eat that everyday either. I am trying....but I cannot completely say NO to anything just yet. It has been a month since I have had beef and I am missing that a little. Mostly, I am missing mashed potatoes with gravy...but I am putting that off as long as possible. This next week is going to be rough because I do have my normal Saturday night dinner plans...this time with friends....and on Thursday its my son's 6th bday and he is pushing for RED ROBIN!! OH NO!!..BURGERS AND FRIES!!!! I CAN'T!!! But, can I resist? I am going to look at the menu and see if there are any smart choices. If anyone who is smart about this stuff can look at the menu and advise me it would be greatly appreciated!!! Congrats with your weight loss. I know what a struggle it is. I think about it constantly!!! Not a second goes by that I am not thinking about my weight. A goal of mine is after I reach a certain point I want to just keep living this way and stop worrying about every little thing 24/7. I don't think that can be healthy either.....can it?

Well back to cleaning......almost time to do the floors...that is really a good workout!! Have a great day everyone! :)

Gathina
February 17th, 2008, 04:21 PM
Brenda, now that I totally made you cry (I hope not anyway!)..try this..cook an entire head of cauliflower and MASH it...you'll swear you're eating mashed potatoes..but instead of gravy use some sort of herbs for seasoning. It really fooled me into thinking it was mashed potatoes!

Chigirlcruzin
February 17th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Chigirl.....dinner last night was heaven! I had 2 glasses of wine, 2 pieces of bread, stuffed mushrooms.......I ate all that....but then I had only a few bites of my actual dinner, which was rigatoni with chicken arugula in a light tomato sauce. I find that I am not as hungry after almost a month of dieting. I used to be able to go to a restaurant and polish off every bite. But now, I order what I would like and eat only what I really want. I don't stuff myself anymore. I like the appetizers the best so I usually polish that off, but then pick at my dinner and I still feel I had so much!! Anyhow, for me, I can't seem to completely give up certain foods. I don't possess the willpower. For me to give up wheat, etc. I would feel tortured. As it is, at home I have switched to whole grain pasta and measure it and whole grain bread also....and don't eat that everyday either. I am trying....but I cannot completely say NO to anything just yet. It has been a month since I have had beef and I am missing that a little. Mostly, I am missing mashed potatoes with gravy...but I am putting that off as long as possible. This next week is going to be rough because I do have my normal Saturday night dinner plans...this time with friends....and on Thursday its my son's 6th bday and he is pushing for RED ROBIN!! OH NO!!..BURGERS AND FRIES!!!! I CAN'T!!! But, can I resist? I am going to look at the menu and see if there are any smart choices. If anyone who is smart about this stuff can look at the menu and advise me it would be greatly appreciated!!! Congrats with your weight loss. I know what a struggle it is. I think about it constantly!!! Not a second goes by that I am not thinking about my weight. A goal of mine is after I reach a certain point I want to just keep living this way and stop worrying about every little thing 24/7. I don't think that can be healthy either.....can it?

Well back to cleaning......almost time to do the floors...that is really a good workout!! Have a great day everyone! :)

I checked out the Red Robin menu, and I think your best bet would be the soup and salad combo with the chicken tortilla soup, hold the sour cream, cheese, and tortilla chips. There aren't too many healthy options at this restaurant.

Speaking of healthy, I'm somewhat in agreement with Menina in her post above. I'm all for everything in moderation, so if a burger and fries are what you want, go for it. Just don't complain when you don't lose weight:). Your statement that not a second goes by where you don't think of weight loss is disconcerting. This is not a healthy attitude. If you are obsessed, you will eventually fail. You need to develop a healthy attitude towards food and exercise.

Brenda33
February 17th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Alright, I'm not gonna cry.....I expected to be beat up over my thoughts. However, I do not regret eating on Saturday night. This has been working for me. However, eating an extra day would make me regret it. No, I didn't need 2 glasses of wine or 2 pieces of bread...I did just "want" it. I do believe, however, that it is willpower. If I was stronger I wouldn't want and desire these things so much. In my own defense, other than Saturday nights I have been the model dieter....of lifestyle change person. I measure my food, and I have even learned to accept it. I think my biggest problem now is that I don't know how to eat out......and boy am I gonna get yelled at for what I say next. But, if everyone else is eating all the goodies and I don't eat or just have a side salad I will start to cry, hate myself because I can't have what everyone else is having and I will be miserable. Yeah, I suck. I know this is totally wrong caring what others are doing. If only one other person ate like me it would make me feel better when out. Although, I do so well on Saturdays, because my DH is trying to show me up and lose a ton of weight so eats well too. Oh....yeah, that is eating well for me on a Saturday night. I used to finish off everything and eat many cream sauces. I think that in order to make it a lifestyle change I have to eat "normal" foods and be able to go out with others. I think the hardest part is that it is still in the phase when I want to lose weight and not maintain....I guess that is the reason I think its such a big deal to go to McDonalds or Red Robin. I ate completely healthy all day today. I had a cup of fiber cereal with 1/2 cup skim milk. A small piece (and I do mean small) of grilled chicken at lunch time. I had one of those sickel (spelling) pears....they are smaller than a lime...about golf ball size. For dinner I had shrimp with snow peas and mushrooms. I added garlic, lemon and lime for flavor. It was really good. I really do want to lose weight......and I am trying to do the very best I can.....and probably if I was even stricter than I am I may have lost a few more pounds. Yeah, I guess I do feel badly.....Uggghhhhh :confused:

smoothdancer
February 17th, 2008, 07:29 PM
A few things first…. Brenda, I am really glad you started this thread because I have learned quite a bit, taken away some great motivation. The second thing is that absolutely, try the blended cauliflower, it does taste just like mash potatoes. My husband is a meat and potatoes man and he never complains when I make them. (I put mine in a blender)

I am going to agree with Menina to a point. My sister, overweight began to diet and work with a personal trainer with great results. Once I asked her how she managed to stay away from snacks. She said that she wanted to loose the weight more than she wanted the snacks…. I though to myself, well OK that was pretty simple wasn’t it?

But myself, I love to have a glass of wine in the evening, especially when we go out. I found I simply could not say no to that second glass of wine… I just could not do it and it snowballed from there…. Then I had no resistance to other high calorie items. So now I no longer drink wine at all because if I don’t have the first glass I am fine. The point I am making is that sure it is easy to say, just don’t do it but if this is where you resistance is low then you need to come up with an alternate plan like I did. After a while you are going to get frustrated and stop saying no, return to your old way of eating. Personally, I think we all have to change our habits but still find that place where we can sustain these habits over the long term.

Gathina
February 17th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Ok..get off the pity pot and get back on the horse :)

This is all about feeling sorry for yourself. You envy someone who eats at McDonalds or eats goodies? How do you know they aren't going home and puking it up in the toilet after? I have had patients that do that! and when you look at them you'd think they were model eaters...I call them "Food Pharisees". That is unhealthy!

Maybe it's time to change the habit of eating out. It is nice to do, and many of us do, but if it's a potential mindfield then you're better off spending the money and splurging to make something really decadent at home (like an expensive cut of meat, hard to find fish, etc). Or maybe get some cool salads from Whole Foods or something and picnic. That's eating out isn't it? I just read something on Estee Lauder's heir and she is a zillionaire..and she eats at home all the time so SHE can control what she eats! She even COOKS it herself!

Brenda dear, I mean this with all due respect. What you did was not willpower. It was sabotage. It's similar to the alcoholic who says "well, one drink won't hurt me". He's right. It won't But then the whole thing of rationalization comes into play, "Well, two won't hurt" , etc.

If you care what others think, well, the only thing I can say is ask yourself, "Why do you CARE what others think? Does it really matter what they think?" You think they are going to like you less if you don't have a cheeseburger?

And here's another cold reality check..if this is to be a lifestyle, there will never be a time when you can go back to your old ways of eating. One of the other gals here said it too.

My challenge to you is to NOT eat a burger or anything at Red Robin. Eat a small meal before you go, and snack on a salad, drink a lot of water, etc. I would love to see you have the real victory of knowing you COULD say no, because that does reinforce you to want to keep on keeping on..

Sorry if this is harsh...but sometimes it's better to have people that care enough about you to tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear! We are all rooting for you! Menina

Alright, I'm not gonna cry.....I expected to be beat up over my thoughts. However, I do not regret eating on Saturday night. This has been working for me. However, eating an extra day would make me regret it. No, I didn't need 2 glasses of wine or 2 pieces of bread...I did just "want" it. I do believe, however, that it is willpower. If I was stronger I wouldn't want and desire these things so much. In my own defense, other than Saturday nights I have been the model dieter....of lifestyle change person. I measure my food, and I have even learned to accept it. I think my biggest problem now is that I don't know how to eat out......and boy am I gonna get yelled at for what I say next. But, if everyone else is eating all the goodies and I don't eat or just have a side salad I will start to cry, hate myself because I can't have what everyone else is having and I will be miserable. Yeah, I suck. I know this is totally wrong caring what others are doing. If only one other person ate like me it would make me feel better when out. Although, I do so well on Saturdays, because my DH is trying to show me up and lose a ton of weight so eats well too. Oh....yeah, that is eating well for me on a Saturday night. I used to finish off everything and eat many cream sauces. I think that in order to make it a lifestyle change I have to eat "normal" foods and be able to go out with others. I think the hardest part is that it is still in the phase when I want to lose weight and not maintain....I guess that is the reason I think its such a big deal to go to McDonalds or Red Robin. I ate completely healthy all day today. I had a cup of fiber cereal with 1/2 cup skim milk. A small piece (and I do mean small) of grilled chicken at lunch time. I had one of those sickel (spelling) pears....they are smaller than a lime...about golf ball size. For dinner I had shrimp with snow peas and mushrooms. I added garlic, lemon and lime for flavor. It was really good. I really do want to lose weight......and I am trying to do the very best I can.....and probably if I was even stricter than I am I may have lost a few more pounds. Yeah, I guess I do feel badly.....Uggghhhhh :confused:

letscruisegd
February 17th, 2008, 10:57 PM
I really do want to lose weight......and I am trying to do the very best I can.....and probably if I was even stricter than I am I may have lost a few more pounds. Yeah, I guess I do feel badly.....Uggghhhhh :confused:
Please do not allow anyone to make you feel badly. The key is to continue to make lifestyle changes (which you're already doing) and you will be successful. Some people may be able to completly cut things off immediately but for others it may be a gradual process. You're trying to do the very best you can and you're making progress so if you start to feel badly, look at the progress you've already made. Sometimes looking at the progress can help to make those lifestyle changes a little easier. That's whats working for me. I started working on making lifestyle changes about 2 months ago. I've lost 7 pounds. With that 7 pounds I've lost 9 inches (I weigh and measure every 30 days). Some people may think thats nothing but I see it as progress and that encourages me to work harder on focusing on the additional changes I need to make. It's really important for you to feel good about yourself and the changes you've already made.

Chigirlcruzin
February 18th, 2008, 06:05 AM
And here's another cold reality check..if this is to be a lifestyle, there will never be a time when you can go back to your old ways of eating. One of the other gals here said it too.

My challenge to you is to NOT eat a burger or anything at Red Robin. Eat a small meal before you go, and snack on a salad, drink a lot of water, etc. I would love to see you have the real victory of knowing you COULD say no, because that does reinforce you to want to keep on keeping on..



I agree with the vast majority of what Menina said, but I want to comment on these two statements.

The first one couldn't be more true. I'm dealing with that now. I made a lifestyle change four years ago and lost 20 pounds. Injury preventing me from working out, work pressures, and eating on the road due to travel all led me back to my old habits, and I'm losing 22 pounds again.

I disagree with the second sentence I quoted though. This is not living. I know we associate food and socialization too much in this country, but "segregating" herself from the rest of the group by not eating at the restaurant? If eating out is part of you lifestyle, you need to learn how to make smart choices when eating out. Unfortunately, Red Robin doesn't make that easy...the salads scare me with all the cheese, high cal dressings, etc. I pointed out one choice (chicken tortilla soup and salad). Skip the appetizers (whenever eating out). Or if you prefer appetizers, skip the entree. However, the apps are usually loaded with fat and calories. Share a dessert. Get over the "well so and so is eating a burger and I want one too." The other day at lunch, my coworkers were eating burgers and fries, fried fish, tacos, etc. I was eating my salad with olive oil and balsamic vinegar dressing and an apple for dessert. Everybody was saying "gee, Leslie, you're so healthy. We should follow your example." Another time I was out to eat and had one beer while my friends continued to drink. They were all commenting on my willpower (which I did not exercise with the drinks on Saturday night). Point is, people will admire you for your habits, and they will respect them. I travel a lot for business, and I'm the client, so I get taken out a lot. I've advised my vendors that I'm doing this, so I've asked that we pick restaurants where I can get something healthy. Dinners are usually not an issue - we usually go to steakhouses, but lunches are more challenging. You CAN do this, Brenda. You just have to stop caring about what others think.

Brenda33
February 18th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Well even though I think you guys are being tough on me at times, it must have done some good. My sister wanted to take the kids to McDonalds today so they could play on the jungle gym since there was no school. Well guess what!!.......I heated up a cup of navy bean soup, put it in a travel container and took it with me!! I ate the bean soup at McDonalds...no hamburger or anything for me!! Did it bother me? Well yes, a little....who doesn't love burgers and fries...BUT....I was soooooooooo proud of myself!!! I then came home and took the little guy for a bike ride!!! YIPPEE!!!!

Gathina
February 18th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Great job today!

Yes we are tough, but you know, how many of us (me too) spend too much of our lives denying reality instead of facing it??

You must think I'm a nut...I don't get into hamburgers and fries too much..I don't mind them but if I want something I know I should not have, I say "Well, I have the rest of my life to eat it so I don't need to eat it today". Isn't it amazing how much of what we do and the environment revolves around FOOD!! So I guess that means we have to learn to deal with the environment we face and that means we can't give into everything we want! It seems like entertainment always revolves around food (movie/popcorn, eating out on sat. night, vending machines in waiting rooms, advertisements, etc). Maybe awareness is what can keep us from making big blow ups?

Keep up the good work Brenda, you are inspiring all of us.




Well even though I think you guys are being tough on me at times, it must have done some good. My sister wanted to take the kids to McDonalds today so they could play on the jungle gym since there was no school. Well guess what!!.......I heated up a cup of navy bean soup, put it in a travel container and took it with me!! I ate the bean soup at McDonalds...no hamburger or anything for me!! Did it bother me? Well yes, a little....who doesn't love burgers and fries...BUT....I was soooooooooo proud of myself!!! I then came home and took the little guy for a bike ride!!! YIPPEE!!!!

happysinglemom
February 19th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Made it back from two days of skiing in PA- had a great time!! Breakfasts were easy - I brought protein bars. Lunch was the standard burger and fries at the lodge, only because we were in a hurry and didn't take the time to scan the other food courts - found out they had chicken noodle soup the next day, darn it. But with 8 or 9 hours of skiing, I wasn't too concerned about the calories, both the burger and fries were very very small. Dinner was Chinese (ugh - love Chinese but generally stay away - hard to eat healthy there) as it was my nephew's birthday (that is the reason for our annual trip) and that was his choice of cuisine. I had some broccoli chicken and lomein. Not great, but I ate only a small amount. The next day lunch was a protein bar, and a few pretzels. When we got home my sis had made a great big pot of chicken noodle soup - MAN was that good!! Weighed this morning and I was down another pound, :o but as it was my sister's scale, I'll save the celebrating until I verify that on my own scale tomorrow!! ;)


I think my biggest problem now is that I don't know how to eat out......and boy am I gonna get yelled at for what I say next. But, if everyone else is eating all the goodies and I don't eat or just have a side salad I will start to cry, hate myself because I can't have what everyone else is having and I will be miserable. ... I think that in order to make it a lifestyle change I have to eat "normal" foods and be able to go out with others. I think the hardest part is that it is still in the phase when I want to lose weight and not maintain....I guess that is the reason I think its such a big deal to go to McDonalds or Red Robin.

Brenda, eating out is surely a challenge, and yes you must eat differently than you have in the past. For me, I'll be honest with you - I just don't eat out much. I never eat lunch out at work (cardio time at the gym), and dinner out is, gosh...maybe 2 or 3 times a month. I often get a salad...and dressing is ALWAYS on the side. Occasionally I will get grilled chicken, or blackened mahi mahi if I am really hungry. It's just me and my son here at home, so it's easier for me to just make him dinner, and I eat whenever I get hungry. He is 15, and eats like a garbage disposal, so our stomachs are never on the same schedule!

Why on earth would you want "what everyone else is having"? I cannot imagine ever thinking that...look at other people around you in the restaurant - most are way overweight and need to push away from the table before they even sit down!! You say you want "normal" foods. You need to think about what you mean here. There is healthy eating, and there is unhealthy eating. That is your choice. You can go out to eat with others, but if you eat like they do (is that what you mean by normal?? It's not.) then you are not learning to take charge of your own eating behavior and make permanent changes. Your body is YOURS. Not someone elses. Don't let someone else's gluttony impair YOUR resolve to be a healthier person.

If I have a dinner out planned, first I make a decision as to whether I am going to eat or not. My days are hectic, and sometimes things happen where I know I am just NOT going to be hungry at the time of the dinner. And I DO NOT EAT unless I am hungry. Period. Does that mean I go to a restaurant with others sometimes, and don't order? Yep. Sure does. So what. Who cares. My family sure doesn't. It's not about the food - it's about the people and the event, for me. Now if I can work the day so that I will be able to eat there, then yes I will certainly try and do that. Like I said - I eat out infrequently, so this does not happen often, but when it does, it does not bother me one bit in the least, to drink my water and socialize with others, as they eat. Simply not a big deal. If I do eat, and if I am just craving a burger (rare, but it happens) I order one and eat about a third of it, without the bun. Take home the rest, or usually, my son finishes it for me. If you are ordering something that you KNOW is more that you can or should eat, then the very first thing you do, after you order, is have the waitress bring you a box, and place at least half of the meal in the box. Take it home and have it the next day. This is the main reason I dont like eating out - the portion sizes are absolutely ridiculous.

So...there are ways to do this - eating out with others, and not sabatoge your weight goals. But you have to think in terms of these being PERMANENT changes. Otherwise you will be right back where you started, in a very short time. So keep up the good work...and think about every thing you put into your mouth - really think about it. You can do this...you just have to stay focused and keep your goals in front of you.
Now...I am off to bed, hoping I really did lose a pound this weekend!!!

Gathina
February 19th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Great post! For awhile I thought I was reading something I wrote :) Lucky you with the skiing..THAT burns a ton of calories, if not from the skiing then from trying to lug everything and wearing the boots!

Have you guys ever cruised out of Fort Lauderdale? I had lunch today at 15st Street Fisheries..had the BEST conch chowder and a small salad, and then I was a pig and had a piece of key lime pie..fortunately it was small then I made my dining partner split it with me.

I second what you said..why would anyone want to ENVY what others are eating? Envying someone with a diamond necklace..ok a legit envy..envying someone who won the lottery..ok, legit also..but envying food someone else has? Like I said, how do you know the aren't going home and puking it in the toilet just so they CAN eat it..people DO that!

I also second the eating out thing..today was the first time I ate out in a month. Brenda I stand by my challenge..instead of the usual Sat. night restaruant, maybe try something really odd..like an ethnic cuisines, many of those restaraunts have some VERY healthy things (especially Indian restaurants...lots of beans and lentils), or a West Indian (lots of veggies). Mediterranian places can be good choices too. Ask them to steam what they can if it's veggies. Stay away from Italian Mexican, Cuban, or French..can be high in fat and calories. My native Brazil has wonderful fresh fruits and veggies, but we think nothing of making a flan with 18 egg yolks in it. Or, my other challenge was to maybe get a gourmet salad from a Whole Foods type of place and picnic in the park on a Saturday afternoon or early evening (if feasible). When I was a poor grad student in Michigan we had picnics in the fall at the beach even though it was cold. The bonus of a picnic is that you can have a family game of frisbee or similar (forgot where you lived, is it cold there?)

Anyways, just want to second what Single Mom said about changing the thinking patterns. Be adventurous! Menina

Made it back from two days of skiing in PA- had a great time!! Breakfasts were easy - I brought protein bars. Lunch was the standard burger and fries at the lodge, only because we were in a hurry and didn't take the time to scan the other food courts - found out they had chicken noodle soup the next day, darn it. But with 8 or 9 hours of skiing, I wasn't too concerned about the calories, both the burger and fries were very very small. Dinner was Chinese (ugh - love Chinese but generally stay away - hard to eat healthy there) as it was my nephew's birthday (that is the reason for our annual trip) and that was his choice of cuisine. I had some broccoli chicken and lomein. Not great, but I ate only a small amount. The next day lunch was a protein bar, and a few pretzels. When we got home my sis had made a great big pot of chicken noodle soup - MAN was that good!! Weighed this morning and I was down another pound, :o but as it was my sister's scale, I'll save the celebrating until I verify that on my own scale tomorrow!! ;)




Brenda, eating out is surely a challenge, and yes you must eat differently than you have in the past. For me, I'll be honest with you - I just don't eat out much. I never eat lunch out at work (cardio time at the gym), and dinner out is, gosh...maybe 2 or 3 times a month. I often get a salad...and dressing is ALWAYS on the side. Occasionally I will get grilled chicken, or blackened mahi mahi if I am really hungry. It's just me and my son here at home, so it's easier for me to just make him dinner, and I eat whenever I get hungry. He is 15, and eats like a garbage disposal, so our stomachs are never on the same schedule!

Why on earth would you want "what everyone else is having"? I cannot imagine ever thinking that...look at other people around you in the restaurant - most are way overweight and need to push away from the table before they even sit down!! You say you want "normal" foods. You need to think about what you mean here. There is healthy eating, and there is unhealthy eating. That is your choice. You can go out to eat with others, but if you eat like they do (is that what you mean by normal?? It's not.) then you are not learning to take charge of your own eating behavior and make permanent changes. Your body is YOURS. Not someone elses. Don't let someone else's gluttony impair YOUR resolve to be a healthier person.

If I have a dinner out planned, first I make a decision as to whether I am going to eat or not. My days are hectic, and sometimes things happen where I know I am just NOT going to be hungry at the time of the dinner. And I DO NOT EAT unless I am hungry. Period. Does that mean I go to a restaurant with others sometimes, and don't order? Yep. Sure does. So what. Who cares. My family sure doesn't. It's not about the food - it's about the people and the event, for me. Now if I can work the day so that I will be able to eat there, then yes I will certainly try and do that. Like I said - I eat out infrequently, so this does not happen often, but when it does, it does not bother me one bit in the least, to drink my water and socialize with others, as they eat. Simply not a big deal. If I do eat, and if I am just craving a burger (rare, but it happens) I order one and eat about a third of it, without the bun. Take home the rest, or usually, my son finishes it for me. If you are ordering something that you KNOW is more that you can or should eat, then the very first thing you do, after you order, is have the waitress bring you a box, and place at least half of the meal in the box. Take it home and have it the next day. This is the main reason I dont like eating out - the portion sizes are absolutely ridiculous.

So...there are ways to do this - eating out with others, and not sabatoge your weight goals. But you have to think in terms of these being PERMANENT changes. Otherwise you will be right back where you started, in a very short time. So keep up the good work...and think about every thing you put into your mouth - really think about it. You can do this...you just have to stay focused and keep your goals in front of you.
Now...I am off to bed, hoping I really did lose a pound this weekend!!!

Gathina
February 19th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Great post! For awhile I thought I was reading something I wrote :) Lucky you with the skiing..THAT burns a ton of calories, if not from the skiing then from trying to lug everything and wearing the boots!

Have you guys ever cruised out of Fort Lauderdale? I had lunch today at 15st Street Fisheries..had the BEST conch chowder and a small salad, and then I was a pig and had a piece of key lime pie..fortunately it was small then I made my dining partner split it with me.

I second what you said..why would anyone want to ENVY what others are eating? Envying someone with a diamond necklace..ok a legit envy..envying someone who won the lottery..ok, legit also..but envying food someone else has? Like I said, how do you know the aren't going home and puking it in the toilet just so they CAN eat it..people DO that!

I also second the eating out thing..today was the first time I ate out in a month. Brenda I stand by my challenge..instead of the usual Sat. night restaruant, maybe try something really odd..like an ethnic cuisines, many of those restaraunts have some VERY healthy things (especially Indian restaurants...lots of beans and lentils), or a West Indian (lots of veggies). Mediterranian places can be good choices too. Ask them to steam what they can if it's veggies. Stay away from Italian Mexican, Cuban, or French..can be high in fat and calories. My native Brazil has wonderful fresh fruits and veggies, but we think nothing of making a flan with 18 egg yolks in it. Or, my other challenge was to maybe get a gourmet salad from a Whole Foods type of place and picnic in the park on a Saturday afternoon or early evening (if feasible). When I was a poor grad student in Michigan we had picnics in the fall at the beach even though it was cold. The bonus of a picnic is that you can have a family game of frisbee or similar (forgot where you lived, is it cold there?)

Anyways, just want to second what Single Mom said about changing the thinking patterns. Be adventurous! Menina

Made it back from two days of skiing in PA- had a great time!! Breakfasts were easy - I brought protein bars. Lunch was the standard burger and fries at the lodge, only because we were in a hurry and didn't take the time to scan the other food courts - found out they had chicken noodle soup the next day, darn it. But with 8 or 9 hours of skiing, I wasn't too concerned about the calories, both the burger and fries were very very small. Dinner was Chinese (ugh - love Chinese but generally stay away - hard to eat healthy there) as it was my nephew's birthday (that is the reason for our annual trip) and that was his choice of cuisine. I had some broccoli chicken and lomein. Not great, but I ate only a small amount. The next day lunch was a protein bar, and a few pretzels. When we got home my sis had made a great big pot of chicken noodle soup - MAN was that good!! Weighed this morning and I was down another pound, :o but as it was my sister's scale, I'll save the celebrating until I verify that on my own scale tomorrow!! ;)




Brenda, eating out is surely a challenge, and yes you must eat differently than you have in the past. For me, I'll be honest with you - I just don't eat out much. I never eat lunch out at work (cardio time at the gym), and dinner out is, gosh...maybe 2 or 3 times a month. I often get a salad...and dressing is ALWAYS on the side. Occasionally I will get grilled chicken, or blackened mahi mahi if I am really hungry. It's just me and my son here at home, so it's easier for me to just make him dinner, and I eat whenever I get hungry. He is 15, and eats like a garbage disposal, so our stomachs are never on the same schedule!

Why on earth would you want "what everyone else is having"? I cannot imagine ever thinking that...look at other people around you in the restaurant - most are way overweight and need to push away from the table before they even sit down!! You say you want "normal" foods. You need to think about what you mean here. There is healthy eating, and there is unhealthy eating. That is your choice. You can go out to eat with others, but if you eat like they do (is that what you mean by normal?? It's not.) then you are not learning to take charge of your own eating behavior and make permanent changes. Your body is YOURS. Not someone elses. Don't let someone else's gluttony impair YOUR resolve to be a healthier person.

If I have a dinner out planned, first I make a decision as to whether I am going to eat or not. My days are hectic, and sometimes things happen where I know I am just NOT going to be hungry at the time of the dinner. And I DO NOT EAT unless I am hungry. Period. Does that mean I go to a restaurant with others sometimes, and don't order? Yep. Sure does. So what. Who cares. My family sure doesn't. It's not about the food - it's about the people and the event, for me. Now if I can work the day so that I will be able to eat there, then yes I will certainly try and do that. Like I said - I eat out infrequently, so this does not happen often, but when it does, it does not bother me one bit in the least, to drink my water and socialize with others, as they eat. Simply not a big deal. If I do eat, and if I am just craving a burger (rare, but it happens) I order one and eat about a third of it, without the bun. Take home the rest, or usually, my son finishes it for me. If you are ordering something that you KNOW is more that you can or should eat, then the very first thing you do, after you order, is have the waitress bring you a box, and place at least half of the meal in the box. Take it home and have it the next day. This is the main reason I dont like eating out - the portion sizes are absolutely ridiculous.

So...there are ways to do this - eating out with others, and not sabatoge your weight goals. But you have to think in terms of these being PERMANENT changes. Otherwise you will be right back where you started, in a very short time. So keep up the good work...and think about every thing you put into your mouth - really think about it. You can do this...you just have to stay focused and keep your goals in front of you.
Now...I am off to bed, hoping I really did lose a pound this weekend!!!

Brenda33
February 20th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Good morning,

Well lets get the important stuff out of the way first....I lost another pound!!!! YES I DID!....that is 10 pounds total!!...Half way there!!!! I can't begin to tell you how happy I am! BEST PART....I did this and still go out on Saturday!! I hear everything you guys are saying.....but I have to tell you, I do not WANT to give up my Saturday nights at a nice restaurant. AND...I enjoy the Italian. I truly believe if I didn't have this to look forward to, I would fail completely. Now I say in my own mind....you don't need that food.....u can wait for a treat on Saturday.....and it works. If I have nothing to look forward to, cheating would be alot easier to do. My instructor at Curves does the same thing. She eats extremely well all week and treats herself one day at week. She received a box of chocolate for Valentine's Day and was able to wait for "her day" to eat it.

The weather is freezing here! I hate to walk out the door! I live in NJ. I hate even a little cold! The other day it was so beautiful out. It was in the 60's....of course, it did not last. I loved that day because I was able to not only go to Curves, but to bike ride in the afternoon with my son. Its alot easier to get in extra exercise when the weather is nice.....and stuff like a bike ride with my son doesn't feel like "work"....its fun, yet my heart is pumping. I am looking forward to the summer when I can be in my pool everyday. Jumping around with a little guy sure can burn some calories! He likes when I attempt to lie on a floatie.....he tips me over. LOL

Oh....for the cauliflower mashed "potatoes"....I boil the cauliflower and moosh it up, but do I add anything to it other than some seasonings on the top? Tonight I am making spaghetti squash for my actual dinner. I am going to chop up tomatoes, etc. and make it a "pasta" dish. I really loved that stuff last week when I tried it.

One other thing I will add. The old saying that people eat for comfort is definitely true. Sometimes we have so much stress and heartache in our life that we turn to food for comfort......I know this is so completely bad.....sad but true. So a Saturday night out to dinner serves for alot more than just a little not so good for you food.....but it does serve as a much needed release from life.

Oh.....did I mention I lost 10 pounds total?!!! WOO HOO....yep, back to my celebration!!!....I'm gonna kick butt at Curves today!!!! :D

Gathina
February 20th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Brenda, great work!

I want to clarify a few things. I was not advising you to give up your Saturday night's out at a restaurant or give up Saturday nights period. I was challenging you to maybe "alter" how you go out on a Saturday night and to try something different. That's what can make dieting a way of life when you can be adventurous. Variety is the spice of life! If the treat day works for you, that's good. For me it would not work. I do better if I cut things out entirely which is weird, but then when I do try them again I either get sick from them or I feel like I wasted the calories as it didn't taste as good as I thought it did.

Good job on the spaghetti squash. The cauliflower: You season it the way you want, no milk needed. I like real butter but I can get away with it (My cholesterol is 92..which is actually too low doc. says)

Emotions: I wish I could eat when I'm sad or upset..I do the oppositte..fortunately that doesn't happen too much. I do see how a lot of people could overdo it on the food when they are upset, though.

Keep up the good work...M

Good morning,

Well lets get the important stuff out of the way first....I lost another pound!!!! YES I DID!....that is 10 pounds total!!...Half way there!!!! I can't begin to tell you how happy I am! BEST PART....I did this and still go out on Saturday!! I hear everything you guys are saying.....but I have to tell you, I do not WANT to give up my Saturday nights at a nice restaurant. AND...I enjoy the Italian. I truly believe if I didn't have this to look forward to, I would fail completely. Now I say in my own mind....you don't need that food.....u can wait for a treat on Saturday.....and it works. If I have nothing to look forward to, cheating would be alot easier to do. My instructor at Curves does the same thing. She eats extremely well all week and treats herself one day at week. She received a box of chocolate for Valentine's Day and was able to wait for "her day" to eat it.

The weather is freezing here! I hate to walk out the door! I live in NJ. I hate even a little cold! The other day it was so beautiful out. It was in the 60's....of course, it did not last. I loved that day because I was able to not only go to Curves, but to bike ride in the afternoon with my son. Its alot easier to get in extra exercise when the weather is nice.....and stuff like a bike ride with my son doesn't feel like "work"....its fun, yet my heart is pumping. I am looking forward to the summer when I can be in my pool everyday. Jumping around with a little guy sure can burn some calories! He likes when I attempt to lie on a floatie.....he tips me over. LOL

Oh....for the cauliflower mashed "potatoes"....I boil the cauliflower and moosh it up, but do I add anything to it other than some seasonings on the top? Tonight I am making spaghetti squash for my actual dinner. I am going to chop up tomatoes, etc. and make it a "pasta" dish. I really loved that stuff last week when I tried it.

One other thing I will add. The old saying that people eat for comfort is definitely true. Sometimes we have so much stress and heartache in our life that we turn to food for comfort......I know this is so completely bad.....sad but true. So a Saturday night out to dinner serves for alot more than just a little not so good for you food.....but it does serve as a much needed release from life.

Oh.....did I mention I lost 10 pounds total?!!! WOO HOO....yep, back to my celebration!!!....I'm gonna kick butt at Curves today!!!! :D

smoothdancer
February 20th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Welcome back Happy... Missed your daily wisdom!

The cauliflower mashed potatoes thing. I use chicken broth in the blender to make them smooth and adds nice flavor.

I like M's idea.... Sure your Saturday nights out are important to you and dont give them up, but why not offer to your group something different such as a resturant that M suggested.... I have been to tons of comps in all parts of NJ, and your resturant options are endless! Another insight.... While you are feeling deprived that you cannot eat what the group is doing did you ever think that the group is envious of you that you are having a good time, and eating to a new lifestyle.... I bet they are!!

10 pounds...ARGGGG.... To be you would be wonderful.....

Sorry Brenda, but I am going to take over your post! I lost an inital 5 pounds and then for the past month, nothing. My husband tells me that at 120 pounds my body is not going to drop much more. Still strange things are going on with my body though..... Right now I only have one or two pants in my closet that fit, all others, less my hips, would fall off. I am such a numbers person (I am a CPA) and I feel like such a failure without a scale move......

I just cant get past that it takes 3500 calories to loose a pound. I write down everything I eat and I know I have hit the 3500 reduction so why no pound loss??? I am so logical and this is not logical

happysinglemom
February 20th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Welcome back Happy... Missed your daily wisdom!

The cauliflower mashed potatoes thing. I use chicken broth in the blender to make them smooth and adds nice flavor.

I like M's idea.... Sure your Saturday nights out are important to you and dont give them up, but why not offer to your group something different such as a resturant that M suggested.... I have been to tons of comps in all parts of NJ, and your resturant options are endless! Another insight.... While you are feeling deprived that you cannot eat what the group is doing did you ever think that the group is envious of you that you are having a good time, and eating to a new lifestyle.... I bet they are!!

10 pounds...ARGGGG.... To be you would be wonderful.....

Sorry Brenda, but I am going to take over your post! I lost an inital 5 pounds and then for the past month, nothing. My husband tells me that at 120 pounds my body is not going to drop much more. Still strange things are going on with my body though..... Right now I only have one or two pants in my closet that fit, all others, less my hips, would fall off. I am such a numbers person (I am a CPA) and I feel like such a failure without a scale move......

I just cant get past that it takes 3500 calories to loose a pound. I write down everything I eat and I know I have hit the 3500 reduction so why no pound loss??? I am so logical and this is not logical

I have to try that cauliflower thing...I have a hard time believing that they taste that good!! (I dearly love mashed taters!! :o )

Smooth - I know it's frustrating when it is supposed to just be all about the numbers...I've dealt with the 3500 thing too. I'm no expert, but I wonder if you have to throw out the math, after you reach a certain point. People have such different metabolisms....the same # of calories will put fat on one person and cause the next one to lose. I eat such a small amount compared to what the "charts" say...but this has always been the case with me, even when I was much younger. (I have a healthly low bp, an very low resting heart rate - I set off the monitors when I had a colonoscopy - they had to turn them off :D and low cholesterol as well.) My maintenance caloric intake is around 1200 a day, so for me to reduce by 500 a day would put me at 700 a day, which truthfully happens occasionally, on a busy day, but I prefer to stay around 900. I can do that, and not feel "starved", just hard mentally to stick with it sometimes.

However, this whole business of creating a caloric deficit, is easier to do with exercise. In a half-hour of cardio (intense cardio), I will burn around 300 calories, and I try to do that most days. If it is a workout day, I'll burn another 400 or so. So that gets me there in a much healthier manner. Better to provide the nutrients, let the body take those, and burn off fat. I think one of the myths that gets propagated so much, and prevents many people from losing more effectively, is the myth that if you are exercising more, and burning additional calories, then you need to EAT more food to provide energy for the exercise. This is just not the case, if you are already eating enough to provide nutrition. But many people read it, buy in, and eat more, and wonder why they aren't losing!!:rolleyes: Now if you are a serious athlete, (bodybuilder, triathlete, marathoner, etc.) then that is a different story. But that isn't the case for most of us.

I wish I had the answer for you, but it really comes down to finding your own way, most of the time. My long-term goal has always been 135, and some days I wonder if I'll ever get there...but I'm still trying! :)

Gathina
February 20th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Here Here, I second what you say about how people think because they exercise it gives them a license to eat more. Stinkin' Thinkin' I say!

Case in point: I was in Panera bread meeitng someone (I had NOTHING to eat thankyou...some diet soda) and I saw a whole bunch of people from th gym next door coming in right after..I think the mentality is "Well, I worked out I deserve it".

Goes back to my original theory of "thinking" about food.

I believe the Red Robin birthday bash for Brenda's son is tomorrow? Brenda, I KNOW you can do the right thing and not overdo it!

Smooth: the chicken broth with the cauliflower...do you use the low sodium kind? Sodium can wreak havoc!

I have to try that cauliflower thing...I have a hard time believing that they taste that good!! (I dearly love mashed taters!! :o )

Smooth - I know it's frustrating when it is supposed to just be all about the numbers...I've dealt with the 3500 thing too. I'm no expert, but I wonder if you have to throw out the math, after you reach a certain point. People have such different metabolisms....the same # of calories will put fat on one person and cause the next one to lose. I eat such a small amount compared to what the "charts" say...but this has always been the case with me, even when I was much younger. (I have a healthly low bp, an very low resting heart rate - I set off the monitors when I had a colonoscopy - they had to turn them off :D and low cholesterol as well.) My maintenance caloric intake is around 1200 a day, so for me to reduce by 500 a day would put me at 700 a day, which truthfully happens occasionally, on a busy day, but I prefer to stay around 900. I can do that, and not feel "starved", just hard mentally to stick with it sometimes.

However, this whole business of creating a caloric deficit, is easier to do with exercise. In a half-hour of cardio (intense cardio), I will burn around 300 calories, and I try to do that most days. If it is a workout day, I'll burn another 400 or so. So that gets me there in a much healthier manner. Better to provide the nutrients, let the body take those, and burn off fat. I think one of the myths that gets propagated so much, and prevents many people from losing more effectively, is the myth that if you are exercising more, and burning additional calories, then you need to EAT more food to provide energy for the exercise. This is just not the case, if you are already eating enough to provide nutrition. But many people read it, buy in, and eat more, and wonder why they aren't losing!!:rolleyes: Now if you are a serious athlete, (bodybuilder, triathlete, marathoner, etc.) then that is a different story. But that isn't the case for most of us.

I wish I had the answer for you, but it really comes down to finding your own way, most of the time. My long-term goal has always been 135, and some days I wonder if I'll ever get there...but I'm still trying! :)

Jaymepops
February 20th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Hello ladies! I have been a lurker on this board for a few days now, I finally decided to post. You have all given such great advice and such great insperatation. Last August I decided it was finally time to get healthy and finally make the lifestyle change. I am 5'9" and started out at 201 lbs. Since then I have gone down to 171 and been stuck there since Decmeber. I have made it a lifestyle change and "cheat" now and again, but overall it has become a lifestyle for me. My husband has done it to. At his work he gets free gym membership and a free trainer. He is an Executive chef at a hotel. We have both been working out differently and sometimes on different eating "schedules" but we have both found what works for us. He started at 261 lbs and is now down to 225 lbs.

Jaymepops
February 20th, 2008, 05:47 PM
sorry hit the wrong buttons - wasn't done with the post yet..!

We are leaving for our cruise 03/30/08. It's a surprise for DH's 35th Birthday! I have decided to get back to loosing instead of maintaining. I want to finally move below that 171 lbs mark. Ideal would be 150 or below. I was 150 back in the High school days. (I am 29 I will be 30 in June!) I am biking (outdoors)
6 1/2 miles every morning coming home doing 30 push ups, 250 crunches and in the afternoon running 2 miles and walking back the 2 miles (pushing baby in stroller). 20 lbs is a lot to loose in 6 weeks (a little under now) so I will gladly settle for 10lbs. I journal daily caloric and fat intake on a wipe board on the fridge and stay at or under 1200 cal and 20g of fat. I eat very healthy, kind of following the "superfoods ideals". I also have a friend org from Spain and partake in Tapas and some Mediteranian cuisine. Lots of flavor, healthy and fills you up quickly. I do drink a glass of wine every evening while making dinner and refuse to give it up. If it means a longer time for weight loss, so be it. I have two boys 6 and 3 and enjoy the "break". Being that my dh is a chef, he works long hours so most of the time it's just me and the boys and the neighbors. Our neighborhood is kinda like Desperate Housewives, only much nicer!! LOL. Anyway, I just wanted to finally join you all, you have been so helpful. You have inspired me to get out there and push it more.

Way to go Brenda, keep it up, you are almost there!! Do you realize how many people are behind you and rooting for you, even if they don't post!! You have really started somthing girl!! You can do it!!!

happysinglemom
February 20th, 2008, 11:57 PM
Hi Jaimie! Welcome to the boards! I have not been on here long, I just kinda 'stumbed' upon this thread one day....but it does help to share your successes and frustrations...and get input from others.

Sounds like you are walking the rght path! Congrats on your losses so far, to you and your hubbie both! I know it is hard to do with a baby...I didn't make my move for change until my son was 5, but once I got into a routine, then it was much easier. 10 pounds sounds very doable for 6 weeks - keep up the good work!!

Brenda33
February 21st, 2008, 11:51 AM
Jaimie,

Thank you for your words of wisdom. I guess I didn't realize how many people were rooting for me! But now that I think about it that way I feel great!! I'll try not to let you all down!!! Congrats on your weight loss too! What a great motivator....cruising!!!

Good news again today!!! I lost another pound!!!! That is 11 pounds total!!!!!!!!! I am at 132 today. The more I lose, the more I have the drive to keep going and push myself. Today at the gym I was really grooving. I did 1 hour and 20 minutes!!! I was shaking when I was done, but I felt soooooooooooooo good!!!

Menina.....yes, tonight is Red Robin. You all tell me that I have to decide before I go what I am going to do....and decide if I am going to cheat. Well I have been beating myself up about this for days (as you know) and I have decided that I am going to order a chicken sandwich instead of a burger....eat probably about 1/3 of it and a few fries. As long as I have the taste I will be thrilled. I don't have to completely overdo it to enjoy it. I'm sure I won't have any weight loss to report tomorrow, but I have decided to take the pressure off and just enjoy the night. Can things change between now and when I get there?......You never know. LOL Oh....NO CAKE FOR ME!!! LOL

happysinglemom
February 21st, 2008, 04:11 PM
Jaimie,


.....yes, tonight is Red Robin. You all tell me that I have to decide before I go what I am going to do....and decide if I am going to cheat. Well I have been beating myself up about this for days (as you know) and I have decided that I am going to order a chicken sandwich instead of a burger....eat probably about 1/3 of it and a few fries. As long as I have the taste I will be thrilled. I don't have to completely overdo it to enjoy it. I'm sure I won't have any weight loss to report tomorrow, but I have decided to take the pressure off and just enjoy the night. Can things change between now and when I get there?......You never know. LOL Oh....NO CAKE FOR ME!!! LOL

Hey Brenda - I had to skip the gym today and eat lunch out for a team birthday lunch (kills me to do it, but sometimes I gotta!). I had EXACTLY what you are planning to have!! :p It was more than enough...I certainly did not leave hungry, or empty-handed - my son can polish off the rest tonight! I will go to the gym tonight after work, and try to get in an extra-good workout! Enjoy, and keep yourself focused on your goal!!!

Brenda33
February 21st, 2008, 04:31 PM
Happysinglemom.... Too funny that you had the same thing I am planning on having. The instructor at Curves asked me....she said "so u r going to Red Robin and cheating on your diet.....on Friday are you going to cheat or are you going right back on your diet and exercising your butt off?" I said right back to the diet and exercise. She said then don't beat yourself up...enjoy! But, I still won't over do it. Its just the taste of the food I am craving....I don't need to pig out.

Chigirlcruzin
February 21st, 2008, 05:29 PM
So now it's my turn. So I was down 2 on Sunday, and I was up 5 today?!!? How is that even possible? I did have more drinks than I should have on Sunday, but not 5 pounds worth! It is my time of the month though, so I'm hoping it's just bloat from that.

On with the good news...I booked a cruise!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been crazy at work, and will continue to be crazy for the next week and a half (I 'm a category manager, aka buyer, for a retailer, and I have to present what I'm buying for Christmas 08 along with all the financials to sr management). Then, I'll have the POs placed right before I go on my cruise, so I'll be able to enjoy the cruise and forget about Christmas!

Brenda, have fun tonight. Remember to get right back on that horse tomorrow!

smoothdancer
February 21st, 2008, 05:47 PM
Where are you going Chi? Dont worry about it, welcome to my world. Just a small deviation from my normal eating habits will put on a few pounds for me, yet after a few days of good habits and workouts, it is gone... I am sure it is just one of thoes things and you will be back down quick.

I am sure I missed Brenda, but have a great time tonight... No pressure that you have a whole thread waiting to hear how you did at Red Robin! We have a Red Robin around here and do you know I have never been in it... I am so curious what you see in this place I just may have to go.

Chigirlcruzin
February 21st, 2008, 05:55 PM
I'm going to Grand Cayman, Roatan Island, Belize, and Cozumel. Roatan will be new for me. I was on the Valor in October and loved the ship, so I'm excited to go back. And, now I have that much more motivation to get going and get to my goal!

There's a Red Robin by my office, and I've never been there either. From the looks of the menu, I don't think I want to go there...not much to pick from in the healthy arena. And, if I have one fry, I have another, and another...you get the point.

Gathina
February 21st, 2008, 08:00 PM
Ok..we are all dying to know..did she or didn't she cheat! :) If she stuck to her plan then she'll be fine!

Someone made the comment about planning what to do before yo go..it's like the number one principle when it comes to relapse prevention in substance abuse and just about everything. Must be why they say to make sure you don't go to the grocery store hungry and without a list!

I just came from my MIL home..she made some lovely west indian snapper and rice..yum yum! I am spoiled with her cooking!

smoothdancer
February 21st, 2008, 09:52 PM
That sounds like a great trip Chigirl... I love a day stop in Grand Cayman. Good for you. We have been going on a cruise every year for at least 10 years, the type of vacation both me and my husband like. This will be the first year that I have no cruise planned. On our Hawaii cruise I had to be taken off of the ship with a medical emergency and although I am fully recovered I still am not quite ready to board a ship just yet.

I have my own website where I write of our cruise adventures.... When you have a few minutes here is the link to the part about the medical issues I had. Instead we have a full calendar of dance competitions that will put us in all parts of the US this year.

http://www.justcruisin-sv.com/CruiseShips/Diamond%20Princess%20Page%20last.htm

Yum, snapper... I could eat fish every night and be quite content.

Chigirlcruzin
February 21st, 2008, 10:19 PM
Smooth, I read about your saga on the fashion boards (I'm 99% sure I posted in your "rest of the story" thread). It's kind of funny, right before I came to the site, I was thinking, I wonder if that one lady ever got a red dress. And then, your story. How are you feeling now?

I started cruising 13 years ago when I was 18...back then they allowed 18 year olds to travel by themselves, and we could drink. I did another one for spring break my freshman year in college, and then I took a few years off while I got my career going. I'm in a position now where I'm making good money, and I can afford to cruise more often. This will be my fourth cruise in 16 months. Roatan will be a new one for me; I've been to the other ports. We chose this itinerary because my friend wants to go to Belize. There's so much to do in those ports though, that I don't mind. And, checking out the roll call for this sailing, it looks like there's quite a few people in their late 20s and early 30s, single and married. This is the perfect motivation to get those last pounds off...I should be at goal by then. My downfall is alcohol. I'm 31, single in Chicago, it's what we do...we meet for drinks, after dinner we go to bars/clubs. I limit myself to one (this is once or twice a week, not daily)...very occasionally I fall off the wagon and have more, like this past weekend. When you're dating, it's hard to say that you don't want a drink because you're trying to lose weight....Menina, advice???

Chigirlcruzin
February 21st, 2008, 10:25 PM
Ok..we are all dying to know..did she or didn't she cheat! :) If she stuck to her plan then she'll be fine!

Someone made the comment about planning what to do before yo go..it's like the number one principle when it comes to relapse prevention in substance abuse and just about everything. Must be why they say to make sure you don't go to the grocery store hungry and without a list!

I just came from my MIL home..she made some lovely west indian snapper and rice..yum yum! I am spoiled with her cooking!

I plan out every day in terms of food intake. Usually during the week it's the same thing...since I live by myself, I make something on Sunday and eat it for the rest of the week. I have a few breakfasts I like, a few lunches to mix it up, but dinners are usually the same. When I go out to eat, I check out the menu online and figure out what I will order, and what I will eat the rest of the day to get through.

I WISH I could eat fish. I'm severely allergic to fish and shellfish...it would be nice to be able to put more variety in my diet. I feel like I could grow feathers I eat so much chicken!

Chigirlcruzin
February 21st, 2008, 10:25 PM
Ok..we are all dying to know..did she or didn't she cheat! :) If she stuck to her plan then she'll be fine!

Someone made the comment about planning what to do before yo go..it's like the number one principle when it comes to relapse prevention in substance abuse and just about everything. Must be why they say to make sure you don't go to the grocery store hungry and without a list!

I just came from my MIL home..she made some lovely west indian snapper and rice..yum yum! I am spoiled with her cooking!

I plan out every day in terms of food intake. Usually during the week it's the same thing...since I live by myself, I make something on Sunday and eat it for the rest of the week. I have a few breakfasts I like, a few lunches to mix it up, but dinners are usually the same. When I go out to eat, I check out the menu online and figure out what I will order, and what I will eat the rest of the day to get through.

I WISH I could eat fish. I'm severely allergic to fish and shellfish...it would be nice to be able to put more variety in my diet. I feel like I could grow feathers I eat so much chicken!

happysinglemom
February 22nd, 2008, 12:05 AM
My downfall is alcohol. I'm 31, single in Chicago, it's what we do...we meet for drinks, after dinner we go to bars/clubs. I limit myself to one (this is once or twice a week, not daily)...very occasionally I fall off the wagon and have more, like this past weekend. When you're dating, it's hard to say that you don't want a drink because you're trying to lose weight....Menina, advice???

Been there done that! Probably not what you want to hear, but I used to go out with my friends to the bars...and not drink a drop. When I was in my late 20's and early 30's, I had just started running and being regular at the gym, and I decided the alcohol had to go. None of my friends cared one bit...funny - they could not understand how I could have such a good time just drinking water!! Several times they swore I was drunk. :D :D If I was with a date, I simply told them I was not a big drinker and preferred water...heck they loved it - a cheap date! Today, I think that behavior is even MORE accepted than it was then. I run into MANY people that stick with water when they are out.

When I started following WW 6 years ago, once again, the alcohol was shelved. I did not have a drink, not a single one, for 3 years. And I never missed it. These days, I will have a drink, but only if I have planned for it. But, sometimes, it doesn't work out and I screw up! My boyfriend took me to a local Italian place a few months ago - wonderful restaurant. I ordered ravioli, the least damaging item on the menu, and ate half, taking the rest home. Unfortunately the waitress mentioned to us that they made a world-class chocolate martini. My boyfriend cajoled me into it. They were so damn good I ended up having 2!! :eek: When I got home, I checked the calories - I drank 700 calories in each martini!!!! Completely ruined my day, and my week, knowing I had consumed that much. And I know that sorft of thing happens occasionally, it's not the end of the world. But I generally don't bother. If I have to choose between food and booze, the food will win every time!! :p

smoothdancer
February 22nd, 2008, 07:10 AM
How about club soda with a lime?

Brenda33
February 22nd, 2008, 09:15 AM
Good morning everyone!

Wow, so much has been happening on this board. I think if you have to have alcohol a good choice might be a white wine spritzer....its half club soda....???? I can totally understand its hard when you are young and single. Yes, I have had a couple glasses of wine on Saturday night lately, but there are plenty of times when I go out and not drink also. I am not a big drinker at all. It was only a few weeks ago we ordered a bottle of sparkling water and drank it in fancy glasses....the glass really does have alot to do with it. Silly, but true.

OK....Red Robin......I think I did very well. I had half a chicken sandwich....yeah I said 1/3....but I was hungry....not just wanting it.....and there was a ton of fries left in my basket....I only ate a few!! I had an onion ring too. I was very proud of myself!!! I didn't feel stuffed and I felt good about it. So even if it wasn't the ideal meal, I ate it in moderation and today I am back on that horse!! Now, for those of you who have never been to Red Robin.....its a kid place. I would never pick this restaurant. Me, I am all about fancy places. But my 6 year old had the choice since it was his birthday. It was Red Robin or bust. They have a few video games in the front of the place which made it a definite. He brought his little friend with him and at the end of the night they both said this was the "best day ever!". Oh, they each had ice cream and the Red Robin staff sang Happy B'day and I didn't have any dessert....and I didn't care!! Would I recommend Red Robin?....only if you have kids.....its a grease pit. Sorry, Red Robin. lol

So today I have to ride the stupid bike!!...can't get to curves with the ton of snow out there....DARN IT!! This is a cruel joke...go to Red Robin, no Curves for you! Uggghhhhh

I pray I'm not another one of you who loses and in a couple days gains 5...I'll die. I'm avoiding the scale today. LOL

Have a good day everyone! I hope you are not too disappointed in what I did at Red Robin. Its all healthy today!

Chigirlcruzin
February 22nd, 2008, 09:43 AM
Good morning everyone!

I pray I'm not another one of you who loses and in a couple days gains 5...I'll die. I'm avoiding the scale today. LOL



It's back to normal. It was just bloat from my monthly visitor. No biggie...it would be impossible to "gain" 5 pounds in such a short period...it's not like I pigged out. It's just alarming to see it on the scale. Which is why I should take my own advice and step away from the scale.

And good for you last night! You can eat what you want, you just have to moderate and get back on that horse the next day. And now that I booked a cruise, I have the motivation to get rid of these last 7 pounds - 7 weeks, 7 pounds, very doable.

happysinglemom
February 22nd, 2008, 09:46 AM
Good job Brenda! Sounds like you had a great time, and stayed on the wagon too! Sorry about the snow, though I'd love to get some my way - hardly ever snows here anymore.:(

I ate just over 800 calories yesterday, the 1/3 sandwich and fries at lunch really lasted me for most of the day. And I did hit the gym - did 35 hard minutes on the elliptical, some good stretching, and just a few machines - not much time for more than that. My HRM showed a burn of 445 calories, so I will take that!! This morning - YAY!!! I FINALLY dropped below 143 - GOD that has been SO hard to do! Hard to believe it takes so much to drop such a little. Anyway, it feels good to know I finally see more than 5 pounds off the scale, and I gotta tell ya, WHAT a difference these few pounds make in my clothes!!! I think a lot of people think 5 pounds is "nuttin"...but man, I can tell such a difference in the way things fit! I had started to notice things were a tad tight, a couple of pair of pants I would not even wear any more. 5 pounds of fat is obviously a pretty good slab of meat! :p
Hope everyone else has a good day...TGIF!!!!

Brenda33
February 22nd, 2008, 09:51 AM
Good Luck Chi losing those 7 pounds! I'm right there trying with ya!!

Happy....congrats!!!! You can do it!! I notice an extreme difference in the way I feel about myself after my small weight loss of 11 pounds. I actually looked in the mirror and was not totally disgusted. I smiled and thought to myself "I'm getting me back!" It is a great accomplishment when your clothes start fitting well!!!

happysinglemom
February 22nd, 2008, 11:37 AM
It's back to normal. It was just bloat from my monthly visitor. No biggie...it would be impossible to "gain" 5 pounds in such a short period...it's not like I pigged out. It's just alarming to see it on the scale. Which is why I should take my own advice and step away from the scale.

And good for you last night! You can eat what you want, you just have to moderate and get back on that horse the next day. And now that I booked a cruise, I have the motivation to get rid of these last 7 pounds - 7 weeks, 7 pounds, very doable.


Chi, I figured the 5 lbs was a timing thing...always annoying to see it on the scale though. Even so, I prefer to see it, pounds sneak up on me WAY too easily. :(

7 pounds in 7 weeks is a reasonable goal, and a cruise is some AWESOME motivation for achieving it!! I am jealous...I'd love to be headed somewhere warm and tropical right about now!! :)

I just had my morning yogurt with Kashi - yum yum!! If you've not tried the WW yogurts, give'm a shot. They have 3 gms of fiber and taste yummy!! I love the Key Lime Pie, and Amaretto Cheesecake (my fave) flavors.

Jaymepops
February 22nd, 2008, 12:43 PM
Chi, I figured the 5 lbs was a timing thing...always annoying to see it on the scale though. Even so, I prefer to see it, pounds sneak up on me WAY too easily. :(

7 pounds in 7 weeks is a reasonable goal, and a cruise is some AWESOME motivation for achieving it!! I am jealous...I'd love to be headed somewhere warm and tropical right about now!! :)

I just had my morning yogurt with Kashi - yum yum!! If you've not tried the WW yogurts, give'm a shot. They have 3 gms of fiber and taste yummy!! I love the Key Lime Pie, and Amaretto Cheesecake (my fave) flavors.
Brenda I know what you mean about "Getting me back" I feel the same way. For the past 5 years I was either pregnant or nursing. I wouldn't trade that time for anything, and it was nice not caring about my figure and eating what was best for me and baby at the time (Bradley Diet) - not for weight loss. It is nice though to finally start getting back to me. It's so much easier to chase after the little ones when you can actually keep up with them!

Don't beat yourself up for your "off nights" or eating out - Just my opinion. You are loosing weight and making life changes, why would anyone be disappointed in you? You are the one in charge of you; we are just your fan club! You can do it, we know you can, we just help you try and push a little harder.

Just my opinion here - I am not in the health field, nor am I trainer. I can only tell you what has worked for me in making my lifestyle change. What has worked for me, may not work for you. I admire Menina's devotion to diet and health and her much needed "straight shooting" attitude. For me, I personally could not be that strict with my life/diet. I would never be able to stay committed to the lifestyle change - different strokes for different folks. I mentioned before, my DH is a chef, so we tend to look at food totally different than maybe most people do. We need to "shop" other restaurants throughout the country and sometimes the world - China last December for new Asian restaurant they are opening in May- to gain ideas or experience. We also follow and enjoy the whole experience such as food and wine pairings - this Frois Gras is awesome with this Riesling or this Cabernet goes great with this Ostrich. Even at home, I refuse to put anything in my mouth that doesn't deserve to be there. It has to be appealing and it has to taste good. I will not force myself to eat something just because it's healthy. Take something healthy and make something awesome and healthy out of it. Enjoy food, don't just count it and use it to ease the hunger pains. Do I eat pasta and bread at Italian restaurant and cream sauces at French restaurants? You bet I do! Do I take my kids to McDonalds once in a while and have a cheese burger and fries with them? Absolutely. Do I regret it while I do or feel guilty afterwards? NO!! Do I also go out and make healthier choices for the broiled or grilled chicken or fish and veggies? Yes, the majority of the time I do. But I don't settle for them, I enjoy them. The more you start eating healthy the more you lean towards stronger flavored healthier food instead of the salty greasy taste. After awhile the salty and greasy just don't taste as good as they used to, and BAM! You just opened that new life door! If you are truly making a lifestyle change, one meal "off" or even one day "off" isn't going to make or break your lifestyle. Is it going to make you gain a pound or two? Maybe. Are you going to have to keep up your routine and not make progress sometimes because you have to now payback those "off" moments? Absolutely. Do I moan and cry and get upset because I'm not loosing? Nope, it was my choice to eat something different. I just spend the rest of that week maintaining or playing the up a few lbs and then back down to normal game. Lifestyle should include gaining and loosing (in small amounts = maintain) If you have "off" days eating you will have off days or even weeks for the scale too. It's a lifestyle change. If you choose to keep the lifestyle, you will always have to eat right and exercise. There is no finish line - except for the eternal one. Enjoy the food, don't feel guilty about it, otherwise, why even bother to eat it in the first place. If you know you are going to feel guilty after eating something and therefore not enjoy it, then don't eat it, find a suitable alternative.

Now, do I have "off" days when I am trying to loose rather than maintain? No, I will have an "off" meal, usually Sunday afternoon supper, but even then it's not much of a "cheat" or aversion from routine. This Sunday I will have 5 weeks until my next cruise and I would love to have 20 lbs but at least 10 off by then. Lots of exercise and really watching the food intake, making very healthy choices, but I still make it so I enjoy it rather than suffer through hoping the scale will drop tomorrow.

Anyway more exercise for me as I now dismount the soap box. This is just my opinion, not discounting anyone else's good advice. Hope that may help a little!!

Jan_In_Maine
February 22nd, 2008, 01:14 PM
Jaymepops ... I have been reading this thread (posted once) since this discussion began and I love your post!!!! Your "opinion" is what I have incorporated into my life style change ... It has worked for me and I am down 50# because of it ... I can stay with my "plan" and I feel healthier and totally motivated.

I still have 19# to go and I would love to lose it by May 23 .... which is when I will be in your town ... I'm going to Ocean Springs for the holiday ... my sister lives there and and they have not seen the 50# ... We are going to spend some time (2 days) in New Orleans ... which I'm really looking forward to, I've never been to either places before.

Have a great day all. Jan

Brenda33
February 22nd, 2008, 01:57 PM
Jaimie, It seems you and I kind of think alike. We make choices, but will not deny ourselves completely.

Anyhow, I have a new question. I was speaking to my best friend today on the phone. I mentioned what I was making for dinner....an oven stuffer (unstuffed) with parsnips, carrots, onions and garlic roasted around it. (basically, chicken and veggies...NO SKIN FOR ME!) OK, so she asks if I am making the yum yums like mashed potatoes and gravy for the rest of the family. I say no....that everyone is eating healthy because I am trying to make this a lifestyle change. Its not that we will never eat those foods, but at this time, its not the right choice. She said that I was unbelievable and EVIL to my family. She said I was completely wrong for making them suffer with me. Well I told her that my family isn't complaining.....I even got the little guy to eat what he thought was cooked cucumbers (it was really zucchini). I told her sure I miss those foods, but I will be able to have them on occassion again AFTER I lose the weight I want to lose....its different when maintaining than when trying to lose. I told her I save my cheats for when I am not home. She said that she still thinks that I should not make my family eat this way and I am totally wrong. I don't agree....but what do you all think?

happysinglemom
February 22nd, 2008, 03:09 PM
Jaimie, It seems you and I kind of think alike. We make choices, but will not deny ourselves completely.

Anyhow, I have a new question. I was speaking to my best friend today on the phone. I mentioned what I was making for dinner....an oven stuffer (unstuffed) with parsnips, carrots, onions and garlic roasted around it. (basically, chicken and veggies...NO SKIN FOR ME!) OK, so she asks if I am making the yum yums like mashed potatoes and gravy for the rest of the family. I say no....that everyone is eating healthy because I am trying to make this a lifestyle change. Its not that we will never eat those foods, but at this time, its not the right choice. She said that I was unbelievable and EVIL to my family. She said I was completely wrong for making them suffer with me. Well I told her that my family isn't complaining.....I even got the little guy to eat what he thought was cooked cucumbers (it was really zucchini). I told her sure I miss those foods, but I will be able to have them on occassion again AFTER I lose the weight I want to lose....its different when maintaining than when trying to lose. I told her I save my cheats for when I am not home. She said that she still thinks that I should not make my family eat this way and I am totally wrong. I don't agree....but what do you all think?

Wow...I totally disagree with her. How can helping your family learn healthier eating habits be "evil"? She is WAY off base here. In my opinion, you are doing the very best for your family. :cool: My son has COMPLETELY changed his eating and fitness behavior over the last 6 years, just as a "by-product" of my changes. You would not believe what this 15 yr old kid looks like, and how healthy he eats! His favorite beverage? WATER. Favorite outdoor activity? A quick 5-mile run.

I'm with you. ;)

happysinglemom
February 22nd, 2008, 03:40 PM
For me, I personally could not be that strict with my life/diet. I would never be able to stay committed to the lifestyle change - different strokes for different folks. I mentioned before, my DH is a chef, so we tend to look at food totally different than maybe most people do. We need to "shop" other restaurants throughout the country and sometimes the world - China last December for new Asian restaurant they are opening in May- to gain ideas or experience. We also follow and enjoy the whole experience such as food and wine pairings - this Frois Gras is awesome with this Riesling or this Cabernet goes great with this Ostrich. Even at home, I refuse to put anything in my mouth that doesn't deserve to be there. It has to be appealing and it has to taste good. I will not force myself to eat something just because it's healthy. Take something healthy and make something awesome and healthy out of it. Enjoy food, don't just count it and use it to ease the hunger pains. Do I eat pasta and bread at Italian restaurant and cream sauces at French restaurants? You bet I do! Do I take my kids to McDonalds once in a while and have a cheese burger and fries with them? Absolutely. Do I regret it while I do or feel guilty afterwards? NO!! Do I also go out and make healthier choices for the broiled or grilled chicken or fish and veggies? Yes, the majority of the time I do. But I don't settle for them, I enjoy them. The more you start eating healthy the more you lean towards stronger flavored healthier food instead of the salty greasy taste. After awhile the salty and greasy just don't taste as good as they used to, and BAM! You just opened that new life door! If you are truly making a lifestyle change, one meal "off" or even one day "off" isn't going to make or break your lifestyle. Is it going to make you gain a pound or two? Maybe. Are you going to have to keep up your routine and not make progress sometimes because you have to now payback those "off" moments? Absolutely. Do I moan and cry and get upset because I'm not loosing? Nope, it was my choice to eat something different. I just spend the rest of that week maintaining or playing the up a few lbs and then back down to normal game. Lifestyle should include gaining and loosing (in small amounts = maintain) If you have "off" days eating you will have off days or even weeks for the scale too. It's a lifestyle change. If you choose to keep the lifestyle, you will always have to eat right and exercise. There is no finish line - except for the eternal one. Enjoy the food, don't feel guilty about it, otherwise, why even bother to eat it in the first place. If you know you are going to feel guilty after eating something and therefore not enjoy it, then don't eat it, find a suitable alternative.

Now, do I have "off" days when I am trying to loose rather than maintain? No, I will have an "off" meal, usually Sunday afternoon supper, but even then it's not much of a "cheat" or aversion from routine. This Sunday I will have 5 weeks until my next cruise and I would love to have 20 lbs but at least 10 off by then. Lots of exercise and really watching the food intake, making very healthy choices, but I still make it so I enjoy it rather than suffer through hoping the scale will drop tomorrow.

Anyway more exercise for me as I now dismount the soap box. This is just my opinion, not discounting anyone else's good advice. Hope that may help a little!!

Always good to hear other perspectives Jaimie! It's great that you are able to share this passion with your hubby! For me, weight-control has always been a huge effort throughout my life, and continues to be, so I could never look at food in that way. For me, first and foremost, it is fuel for my body. Fortunately, I thoroughly LOVE workouts at the gym, and running, so it is not a burden, ever. In addition to the obvious health benefit, is a release, and keeps me feeling great. :) I certainly do not deny myself any foods that I dearly love, but I always eat them in moderation. For me, to "spend the rest of that week maintaining or playing the up a few lbs and then back down to normal game" is just NOT worth it. :o But I respect your opinion, and the fact that you discovered a plan that works for YOU! ;)

Jaymepops
February 22nd, 2008, 04:29 PM
Jaimie, It seems you and I kind of think alike. We make choices, but will not deny ourselves completely.

Anyhow, I have a new question. I was speaking to my best friend today on the phone. I mentioned what I was making for dinner....an oven stuffer (unstuffed) with parsnips, carrots, onions and garlic roasted around it. (basically, chicken and veggies...NO SKIN FOR ME!) OK, so she asks if I am making the yum yums like mashed potatoes and gravy for the rest of the family. I say no....that everyone is eating healthy because I am trying to make this a lifestyle change. Its not that we will never eat those foods, but at this time, its not the right choice. She said that I was unbelievable and EVIL to my family. She said I was completely wrong for making them suffer with me. Well I told her that my family isn't complaining.....I even got the little guy to eat what he thought was cooked cucumbers (it was really zucchini). I told her sure I miss those foods, but I will be able to have them on occassion again AFTER I lose the weight I want to lose....its different when maintaining than when trying to lose. I told her I save my cheats for when I am not home. She said that she still thinks that I should not make my family eat this way and I am totally wrong. I don't agree....but what do you all think?
Brenda you are not evil, you are caring for your family and doing what is right for you and them. You are helping your children avoid childhood and adult obesity by teaching them the right way to eat by example. If you have found the healthy and right way to eat, you would be more evil for not sharing with your family. Wouldn't you call it selfish if you just worried about your body and your needs? If only your body was getting healthy nourishment and you’re keep feeding your child and husband stuff that was bad for them, keeping them unhealthy? You are doing a good job. There will always be people who don't agree with you and you have to sometimes agree to disagree. You know what you are doing is right, let your friend know you are doing what you believe is best for you and your family and that it is a family matter, or ask (tell) her to please respect your decision and change the subject.

Jaymepops
February 22nd, 2008, 04:35 PM
Jaymepops ... I have been reading this thread (posted once) since this discussion began and I love your post!!!! Your "opinion" is what I have incorporated into my life style change ... It has worked for me and I am down 50# because of it ... I can stay with my "plan" and I feel healthier and totally motivated.

I still have 19# to go and I would love to lose it by May 23 .... which is when I will be in your town ... I'm going to Ocean Springs for the holiday ... my sister lives there and and they have not seen the 50# ... We are going to spend some time (2 days) in New Orleans ... which I'm really looking forward to, I've never been to either places before.

Have a great day all. Jan
Jan, you will love it here as well as New Orleans. May is a great time to visit too - not too hot yet. Have your sister look and see if there are any festivals going on downtown when you are here. They are a lot of fun! Don't forget to have a nice lazy day at the beach too! I love surprising friends and family you haven't seen in a while with a big weight loss. Just did that over Christmas with my family! BTW if you haven't booked rooms in New Orelans yet, Hotel Provincial is great - right in the French Quater, just down from Jackson square. Very nice, clean and affordable! Best kept secret! Easy walk to everything in the French Quater.

smoothdancer
February 22nd, 2008, 07:45 PM
Good tip on the hotel! We will be in Baton Rouge in June for a competition and then on to New Orleans for the rest of the week-end. We usually are in NO once a year, so one full day is enough for us!

Brenda, if you are serving your kids from the 4 four groups, then all is fine.And I give you credit for sticking to your guns for the entire family.

Gathina
February 22nd, 2008, 08:38 PM
Oh gawd, I can't believe I'm reading this!

Ask your friend, "Well, I respect your comments and I want to ask you this question..by you saying I'm evil to my family, who's needs are being met here..my family's needs to have a healthy lifestyle or your need to be jealous of our healthy habits?"

I bet she'll NEVER bug you again. I think this goes back to your being concerned what about what others think. This is when it goes back to setting boundaries with other people. This also fits in with what the one gal asked me several posts ago about the drinking thing.

To both of you I say, You don't have to justify what you do to anybody. It's nobodys' damn business if you choose to drink or not, what you choose to eat or not. For the drinking thing, you can just politely say "Oh, I'm not drinking today". You don't owe them an explanation. To your "friend"who tries to guilt you into thinking your an evil mother because you feed your family healthy food, you can say, "Well, we are just trying to keep our commitment to good health and this is what works for us and we all enjoy it".

Two kinds of guilt: False and True. True guilt: Eating a box of cokies when you are on a diet. False guilt: A "friend" trying to "make" you feel guilty for what you are doing (i.e, feeding your family healthy food, choosing not to drink) when there is no logical evidence for you to feel guilty. Personally, people like that I do not consider my friends.

Only my opinion. Brenda, great job last night..you are inspiring all of us! What's your plan for Sat. night? We go to a bible study on Sat. night..15 of us, we cook a lovely meal then have our study right after.

Menina

Jaimie, It seems you and I kind of think alike. We make choices, but will not deny ourselves completely.

Anyhow, I have a new question. I was speaking to my best friend today on the phone. I mentioned what I was making for dinner....an oven stuffer (unstuffed) with parsnips, carrots, onions and garlic roasted around it. (basically, chicken and veggies...NO SKIN FOR ME!) OK, so she asks if I am making the yum yums like mashed potatoes and gravy for the rest of the family. I say no....that everyone is eating healthy because I am trying to make this a lifestyle change. Its not that we will never eat those foods, but at this time, its not the right choice. She said that I was unbelievable and EVIL to my family. She said I was completely wrong for making them suffer with me. Well I told her that my family isn't complaining.....I even got the little guy to eat what he thought was cooked cucumbers (it was really zucchini). I told her sure I miss those foods, but I will be able to have them on occassion again AFTER I lose the weight I want to lose....its different when maintaining than when trying to lose. I told her I save my cheats for when I am not home. She said that she still thinks that I should not make my family eat this way and I am totally wrong. I don't agree....but what do you all think?

Brenda33
February 23rd, 2008, 07:25 AM
Thank you all. I am actually proud that I am feeding my family very healthy, the same as I am feeding myself. Funny part is, my son (6) never liked the side dishes like mashed potatoes, etc. I always cut up fruit in a bowl for him as his side dish. I guess I am learning from him!! Not to disrespect my friend or anything, but she is a large woman who can't stick to any diet and her child is only 5 and is also on her way. Its sad for me to see. I never say anything though. My friend would not take it as constructive critisism. So I guess her way really does not work. But in any case, thank you all for reassuring me.

I don't know yet if we are going to make it to our Saturday night out. My daughter had a problem with her tv. We thought the tv itself was broken, but after trying it in another room, and trying a different tv in her room, we found out its either the main wire or the verizon fios box that is faulty. they are supposed to come and fix it sometime before 5:00....but you know how that goes. LOL We were supposed to be going out with another couple tonight, but they canceled due to the weather and switched to next week.

Well time to get ready. The little guy has a friend's bday party at 10 this morning. Uggghhhh. LOL

Have a great day.

smoothdancer
February 23rd, 2008, 08:08 AM
We had tons of snow here yesterday and I was housebound... I am so ichy to get out and to the gym today.

Ya know every memeber of my husbands family is overweight and I am convinced that it is due to upbringing. Every Sunday his Mom would make these huge, and I mean huge meals while in my family we always had a nice Sunday dinner but in reasonable proportions... No one in my family has battled with large weight problems. You are doing your family a big favor with good lifelong habits.

Now, my kids are grown so I dont have these concerns but I also think you cannot make someone do something that you want, it has to be something they want. My husabnd is still overweight and sometimes it really fustrates me that he does nothing about it. I dont force my thoughts or habits on him.(well OK I do a subtle nag now and then) Often for dinner we are eating two completely different things and I just keep my sights on myself, not him.

Brenda33
February 23rd, 2008, 08:44 AM
Smooth....So you DO prepare different foods for your husband?...OR does he prepare it himself? Me, I refuse to prepare different foods for the family. That is part of what I am asking. I know you are all behind me that I am doing the right thing.....but are you all doing it too or are you preparing the yum yums for the family and just not eating them?

smoothdancer
February 23rd, 2008, 09:26 AM
Yes and no! My oven converts to a convection oven, evenly cooks no matter what shelf in the over it is placed on. So yes, I package all our metas/fish in servings of one and will cook us diffierent things at the same time. The extra prep time is quite minimal.

But as far as mashed pototoes and stuff like that....no. I offer him a salad that I am making for myself or whatever and if he wants these other things he is on his own, which he oftern does make for himself. Asdie from the double cooking issue, I am not going to help him along with his bad habits.

happysinglemom
February 23rd, 2008, 10:12 AM
You know, when I was doing WW, mashed potatoes was often on my daily menu. A small side of mashed potatoes from Hardees is only 90 calories,and only 2 gms of fat, and KFC is about the same. We don't eat out at those places as much any more, but my son always loved their mashed potatoes, and still does. Also, the instant potatoes are very good now (they used to SUCK!), and have similar nutritional value, and occasionally I have them for lunch at work - very easy and quick, perfect for me since I eat at my desk.

So, I don't know as I would consider mashed potatoes a true "yum yum". I think they can fit into a nutritious dinner. What I never do any more is make them from scratch, at least at home. If it is for a family dinner, at my mom's or sister's, then I am always in charge of making them (I make killer mashed potatoes!!), and I will eat a very small serving, but that is all, since the fat is much higher. Portion control is the key for me here. ;)

I probably tend to agree with the "not making everyone different things" for dinner, especially if you have a large family. The traditional "everyone sit down to the same meal" dinner is good for the family, and can help the kids to eat better as they have to eat what is available, not what they want. That said, that's rarely an issue in my house it since it's just me and my son, and we don't eat on the same schedule! :o Luckily neither my son nor my ex has ever been overweight, so I was the only one dealing with weight issues. (And I didn't really have them when I was married anyway - didn't get fat until after we split).

I agree it is very difficult to deal with overweight family members - my mom has always been heavy (she's a bit less so now, but still quite heavy) and she had the hardest time dealing with my new eating behavior, but she is okay with it now. Just do what you know is right - you sound like you are doing just fine to me! ;)

Jan_In_Maine
February 23rd, 2008, 10:56 AM
When I decided to change the way I was eating (50# ago) my family changed also. No one has complained. We have a protein, and lots of vegetables (including salad) for dinner. I go by the "no white at night" thought process. I try to limit my carbs to morning or lunch ... as I will burn them during the day and not have them store as fats. I also have to watch my carbs as I am diabetic, and have allergies to most foods and have a cholesterol problem.

Brenda you friend reminds me of the people I knew when I qujit smoking 7 years ago ... they said they were supporting my decision, but in reality they did a lot to undermine my decision ... I now have many different friends!!!

Jaymepops ---- thanks for the info on hotels, I'll being talking with my sister today! Jan

Chigirlcruzin
February 23rd, 2008, 03:21 PM
I'm the gal asking about drinking. Menina, you're right, I don't have to explain myself to anybody, but usually, they keep asking. My friends get it by now, but a new guy is trickier. Oh well, I just have to be stronger. I really have no problems with friends - I posted before about my friends commenting on my willpower. But a first date often involves meeting for drinks...I guess I need to come up with something different.

Brenda, as for the family thing, your friend is way off base. You are not being evil, you are helping them. My mom has been on and off Weight Watchers since she was in her mid-twenties. WW was much different back then - not as livable, you even had to make your catsup! Anyhow, this past go-around, my dad needed to join her. Now with BOTH of them doing it, my mom swears she will never go back to the old lifestyle. She was making two meals before, now she makes one, and my dad just eats more since he gets more points. I personally think you would be evil if you didn't teach them the same habits you are adopting.

hi2you
February 23rd, 2008, 04:42 PM
It sounds to me like the friend is a little green with envy. You are doing something positive to benefit you and your family. I think she is trying to put her insecurities onto you. Perhaps deep down she knows she should make some changes of her own. You are succeeding, she hasn't even tried. Keep on with the good and healthy changes. It is a great thing.

Chigirlcruzin
February 23rd, 2008, 05:08 PM
That sounds like a great trip Chigirl... I love a day stop in Grand Cayman. Good for you. We have been going on a cruise every year for at least 10 years, the type of vacation both me and my husband like. This will be the first year that I have no cruise planned. On our Hawaii cruise I had to be taken off of the ship with a medical emergency and although I am fully recovered I still am not quite ready to board a ship just yet.

I have my own website where I write of our cruise adventures.... When you have a few minutes here is the link to the part about the medical issues I had. Instead we have a full calendar of dance competitions that will put us in all parts of the US this year.

http://www.justcruisin-sv.com/CruiseShips/Diamond%20Princess%20Page%20last.htm

Yum, snapper... I could eat fish every night and be quite content.

Smooth, I just clicked on this link. What a story...I would have been so scared to have surgery in Mexico too, but I'm so glad it worked out. I had tears in my eyes when I read the part about your husband being by your side right before the surgery.

As a child and teenager, we traveled across many parts of the US doing dance competitions - tap, jazz, ballet, lyrical, etc. I loved it. It's amazing how much I've lost over the years though, lol. I think it's very cool you do this.

Gathina
February 23rd, 2008, 05:42 PM
For me, if I had friends who pressured me and called me evil for feeding my family healthy food...well, I'd limit the time I spend with those people and spend more time with the people that are going to be supportive. To keep bugging you is quite rude and also tells you where their priorities lie. If a first date involves meeting for drinks, you can easily order a perrier with lime and then if bugged say "no thanks, I'm not drinking today". If they hound you it's "No particular reason,just not drinking today. PERIOD".

Brenda: Your friend obviously has her own issues. But that was very rude of her to call you evil and I hope you let her know that. Who cares if she's so sensitive..it's all right for her to be critical but not okay for you to stand up for yourself or are you too concenred about what she'll think bout you? what's up with that? It's her business if she wants to stuff herself and get fat and then whine about it while calling you evil. You've got bigger fish to fry as you are getting healthy.

Hope everyone is having a great day...M

I'm the gal asking about drinking. Menina, you're right, I don't have to explain myself to anybody, but usually, they keep asking. My friends get it by now, but a new guy is trickier. Oh well, I just have to be stronger. I really have no problems with friends - I posted before about my friends commenting on my willpower. But a first date often involves meeting for drinks...I guess I need to come up with something different.

Brenda, as for the family thing, your friend is way off base. You are not being evil, you are helping them. My mom has been on and off Weight Watchers since she was in her mid-twenties. WW was much different back then - not as livable, you even had to make your catsup! Anyhow, this past go-around, my dad needed to join her. Now with BOTH of them doing it, my mom swears she will never go back to the old lifestyle. She was making two meals before, now she makes one, and my dad just eats more since he gets more points. I personally think you would be evil if you didn't teach them the same habits you are adopting.

Brenda33
February 24th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Menina,

I believe you are touching on some of my deeper problems. But, I guess you would, knowing your profession. There is alot about me that goes unsaid on these boards. I have been through some major stuff in my life and I believe some of it may have caused my bad eating habits....but that could be an excuse....I'm no expert. In any case....life sucks sometimes...but I'm sure you know that. :(

OK....So I had my Saturday out...basically ate the same thing as always. I'm ok with that though. What's bothering me today is that I am really really hungry!!! But I don't want to eat more than usual because I don't want to ruin my diet......I'm gonna drink alot of green tea tonight to get through the night. LOL

Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Gathina
February 24th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Well, I don't know about that but the main thing is you are getting healthy. We've all gone through crap in life, but most people don't want to face it so they bury it in food or alcohol or other meaningless crap. You have to be your own person and not let anyone dictate how you feel or what you do.

It's no wonder you're getting hungry if you are exercising as much as you say you are, plus your stomach has to get used to eating less. Maybe you need a few more calories, or need to eat more protein, can't advise you there. You will never be able to go back to your former way of eating as that's what made you fat. It's kinda like losing a friend, it's a death. You can only learn to enjoy the foods that made you fat in a sensible way and that might mean eating those things rarely and in smaller amounts.

But I'm no expert!


Menina,

I believe you are touching on some of my deeper problems. But, I guess you would, knowing your profession. There is alot about me that goes unsaid on these boards. I have been through some major stuff in my life and I believe some of it may have caused my bad eating habits....but that could be an excuse....I'm no expert. In any case....life sucks sometimes...but I'm sure you know that. :(

OK....So I had my Saturday out...basically ate the same thing as always. I'm ok with that though. What's bothering me today is that I am really really hungry!!! But I don't want to eat more than usual because I don't want to ruin my diet......I'm gonna drink alot of green tea tonight to get through the night. LOL

Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Brenda33
February 25th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Hi everyone...Well I'm back on the horse today. I may have had the Red Robin slip and Saturday....but I'm back in the groove ready to lose more weight....and tone up!!! I think that is so important....the way we actually look with the weight we have on us.

I'm making the cauliflower tonight with grilled chicken.......I'll let you know how it turns out.

Have a great day everyone.

smoothdancer
February 25th, 2008, 03:54 PM
I don’t think your Red Robin thing was a slip up. You planned for this event, planned to deviate from your normal new eating habits. You kept to your plan and therefore you were successful. Geez, if it was me I would not beat myself up over this.

This also happens to me; all of a sudden out of no where I get really hungry. It is just not a lack of willpower or saying “no” but I am just really hungry. I don’t know what brings it on because my exercise regiment is fairly constant. I do listen to my body and increase my calories, to the point that physically I feel alright. The way I look at it is that if I am really hungry and resisting what my body is telling me, this will set me up for failure.

Do you eat something before your work outs? I usually have a lo-fat yogurt to give me the energy I need for the workout. I also eat throughout the day in small portions. This might help your hunger thing.

Continuing on with the way you have been going can only do great things for your self esteem and go figure, might help you through whatever other issues you are dealing with.

Brenda33
February 25th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Smooth..... It does suck when you are hungry and you know its not just willpower!! It was really bugging me!!! I think I did really well today....I think I spread my food around....I had 1 cup fiber cereal (13 grams fiber) with 1/2 cup skim milk before my workout. I had 1 cup homemade bean soup at lunch....and 2 small snacks today....a pear and 5 almonds. Dinner tonight is grilled chicken and mashed cauliflower and side salad. I am sitting here really hungry waiting for dinner. I wonder if I should be this hungry with all I ate today. I worked out for 1 hour and 15 minutes today.

Since self-esteem seems to be my problem, you may be right about it helping in all aspects of my life.....

Chigirlcruzin
February 25th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Brenda, you are NOT eating enough. You've taken in about 500 calories. I'm estimating cereal =120, milk =45, soup=200, pear=80, almonds=60. Add to that the cauliflower(50, depending on what you add it), and chicken at 150, you're starving yourself. You're more active now - you need to eat more.

Brenda33
February 25th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Chi....This is basically how I have been eating since I started dieting. Only now I am eating MORE!! I never had the piece of fruit, etc. during the day. I am so afraid to eat more for fear of not losing weight. I mean as it is I only lost 11 pounds in 5 weeks. Sometimes I have popcorn that I pop on the stove (not microwave stuff) for a snack at night. It feels like I am eating alot...but its not really.

Well let me tell you about how yummy the cauliflower was!! I believe it was Menina with the idea...if I'm wrong sorry whoever it was. Anyhow, I steamed the cauliflower with scallions.....I mashed it up with a couple sprays of that I can't believe its not butter spray (the calorie free kind) and a tablespoon of light (2.5 grams of fat per serving) of sourcream and salt and pepper. IT WAS DELISH!!!!! Of course I asked DH if he liked it and he said "it tastes like cauliflower!"....whatever...I thought it had a similar taste to a mashed potato, but of course u can still taste cauliflower a bit. But, I LIKE cauliflower....it was the texture that was great.....just like yummy mashed potatoes!

Chigirlcruzin
February 25th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Chi....This is basically how I have been eating since I started dieting. Only now I am eating MORE!! I never had the piece of fruit, etc. during the day. I am so afraid to eat more for fear of not losing weight. I mean as it is I only lost 11 pounds in 5 weeks. Sometimes I have popcorn that I pop on the stove (not microwave stuff) for a snack at night. It feels like I am eating alot...but its not really.



11 pounds in 5 weeks is awesome! That's over two pounds a week. You shouldn't lose any more than that. It sounds counter-intuitive, but you need to eat more. Remember my story? I wasn't eating enough, when I uppped my food intake, I lost 2 pounds. And yes, I really did lose them; my scale was playing tricks on me last week. Smooth is right - you need to listen to your body. If your body is telling you it's hungry, eat!

Gathina
February 26th, 2008, 07:41 AM
I second this! Brenda, for as much execerising you say you are doing, you of course are going to get hungry. I think the answer might be a little bit more protein, which always staves off hunger. In the mornign I would suggest eating a little steel cut oats...a 1/4 dry makes 1/2 cup cooked, which is a serving size..but they also have like 6 grams of protein and a lot of fiber. If I eat a bowl at 6 am I am stuffed, literally, until noon time. I dont think the Red Robin thing was a slip up..you planned what you were going to do,right? That's different then just saying to hell with it and pigging out.

I mentioned this before, but check out this website...www.stewsmith.com ..it has guidelines for eating when you are doing heavy workouts.

I went to MIL's last night..she made stewed turkey legs..I swore I was eating beef...somehow she had the butcher cut the legs into chunks and then she brown-stewed them...the meat fell of the bone and it tasted just like beef. Had that with some plain rice and a salad..perfect meal!



Brenda, you are NOT eating enough. You've taken in about 500 calories. I'm estimating cereal =120, milk =45, soup=200, pear=80, almonds=60. Add to that the cauliflower(50, depending on what you add it), and chicken at 150, you're starving yourself. You're more active now - you need to eat more.

Brenda33
February 26th, 2008, 08:00 AM
Good morning.....

Yes, I am working out as much as I say I am. Ask my sore body. On average its between 1 hour and 1 hour and 15 minutes daily, except nothing on Saturday and only an ab workout on Sunday. What are steel oats? Do you mean oatmeal???? The turkey dinner sounds very yummy. I don't normally like the dark meat though....but when you describe it it sounds great.

OK, apparently, I suck and I am destined to be fat.....I GAINED a pound! I didn't weigh myself since Friday and I was 132 and now I am 133!!! I know I had the extra cheat with Red Robin....I guess I expected to just not lose any weight...but never thought I would gain!! I try so hard. I mean I couldn't get to the gym on Friday because of the snow and I still killed myself on the stationery bike!! I had such a great week last week, that this is a huge let down. Its weird you would think I would be more motivated when I am not doing well....but for me its the opposite....I feel like I am wasting my time.

Alright, time to get it together.....Have a great day.

Gathina
February 26th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Brenda:

You are SO lucky that I am in Miami and you are in New Jersey becuase I'd kick your butt six weeks into the next fiscal year for saying what you just said about being DESTINED to be fat....I 'supposed you're right, you are destined to be fat if you keep thinking like that. That's why a lot of people probably fail on diets or in anything. Shrinks call it "self defeating behavior". So if you choose to think like that, then you forfeit your right to complain.

Ok..you've heard of water weight, sodium, and daily weight fluctuations right? If not, read up on it. Nobody said you have to diet perfectly or weigh the same everyday. Natural body biorhtyms also contribute to weight fluctuations. Wait until you plateu and don't lose any weight at alll for awhile..then how are you going to handle it?

Steel cut oats...like oatmeal..actually more like Irish oatmeal..can buy in bulk section of better grocery stores or health food stores..I'm not talking about instant oatmeal with all the garbage in it. Oprah Winfrey swears by them and so do I.

The turkey legs..I really did think I was eating beef until I saw the tureky bones..I'll ask her how she made them but they are real cheap to make and turkey is so good for you.

Keep riding that horse girl!! Menina


Good morning.....

Yes, I am working out as much as I say I am. Ask my sore body. On average its between 1 hour and 1 hour and 15 minutes daily, except nothing on Saturday and only an ab workout on Sunday. What are steel oats? Do you mean oatmeal???? The turkey dinner sounds very yummy. I don't normally like the dark meat though....but when you describe it it sounds great.

OK, apparently, I suck and I am destined to be fat.....I GAINED a pound! I didn't weigh myself since Friday and I was 132 and now I am 133!!! I know I had the extra cheat with Red Robin....I guess I expected to just not lose any weight...but never thought I would gain!! I try so hard. I mean I couldn't get to the gym on Friday because of the snow and I still killed myself on the stationery bike!! I had such a great week last week, that this is a huge let down. Its weird you would think I would be more motivated when I am not doing well....but for me its the opposite....I feel like I am wasting my time.

Alright, time to get it together.....Have a great day.

Chigirlcruzin
February 26th, 2008, 08:40 AM
OK, calm down. This is not a big deal, and it may not even be a real gain. Your weight is going to fluctuate based on time of day, time of the month, even how you're standing on the scale. You do NOT suck.

Just for perspective, I've lost 15 pounds in 7 weeks. That's about the same rate as you've been losing. I'm 5'4", so we're about the same height. Obviously, everybody is different, but this is a typical day for me. I'm working out 1 hour - 1.5 hours 6 or 7 days a week - high intensity cardio along with weights and abs.

Breakfast
Small banana, 2 whole wheat waffles, drizzle of sugar free syrup OR egg-beater omelet with ham and pepper

Mid-morning
WW yogurt, 1 cup strawberries

Lunch
Roast beef, ham, or turkey sandwich on whole wheat with lettuce, mixed veggies (tomato, cucumber, carrots), string cheese

Afternoon before workout
Apple, popcorn

Dinner
Baked chicken, veggies sauteed in olive oil, skim milk

Dessert
WW ice cream sandwich, or 1/2 cup sorbet or ice cream, or 2 small cookies, or baked chips and salsa

I eat all this, and I'm losing weight - at the same rate you are. I do not feel deprived - this is definitely maintainable long-term. Notice I have dessert at the end - I allow myself a treat - I have the points available, and I get my sweet fix.

Brenda33
February 26th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Its so funny...well not really funny....but in the morning when I get on the scale and its not so good, like today, I feel totally depressed and I want to give up. BUT...then I go to Curves, speak with the instructor and work my butt off and I feel so good and say "nothing or noone is going to stop me in losing this weight!". I guess its true what they say about exercise helping with depression and moods. I will have to look for the steel oats....I'd like to give it a try...sounds very healthy. Chi...I can't believe you eat so much compared to me!! I guess I'm afraid to try eating more for fear I will gain weight and then I have that much further to go:confused:. This whole thing is so confusing!!! Menina....I wish sometimes you were here to kick my butt! LOL guess we all need a little push now and again. If you get the turkey recipe please post it. In any case, the scale sucked today....not me....I'm praying it gets better! I fear the plateau!! I had a week of that already and I hated it!!!

Gathina
February 26th, 2008, 01:55 PM
No, trust me...you don't wish I was where you are! :)

I'll ask my "moomie in law" about the turkey legs..she is Jamaican..so I'm guessing it's cooked like brown stew fish or something. Hey, if she can make turkey taste like beef then we might be onto something.

Brenda..I think you need to limit the scale to one day per week.

The exercise does help with the mood and everything. I was in a funk this morning myself and my dear friend stopped over with a small gift and a card..and told me several times she woke up and felt the need to pray for me. Now that's a REAL friend!

Its so funny...well not really funny....but in the morning when I get on the scale and its not so good, like today, I feel totally depressed and I want to give up. BUT...then I go to Curves, speak with the instructor and work my butt off and I feel so good and say "nothing or noone is going to stop me in losing this weight!". I guess its true what they say about exercise helping with depression and moods. I will have to look for the steel oats....I'd like to give it a try...sounds very healthy. Chi...I can't believe you eat so much compared to me!! I guess I'm afraid to try eating more for fear I will gain weight and then I have that much further to go:confused:. This whole thing is so confusing!!! Menina....I wish sometimes you were here to kick my butt! LOL guess we all need a little push now and again. If you get the turkey recipe please post it. In any case, the scale sucked today....not me....I'm praying it gets better! I fear the plateau!! I had a week of that already and I hated it!!!

Chigirlcruzin
February 26th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Seriously, the first 11 came so easy. Then I stalled for 3 weeks. I picked up my food intake, and the weight started coming off again. And, my goal weight is the same as yours, so we're about the same height and weight. Menina is right - limit the scale to one day a week. I didn't even own one until a few weeks ago. The scale at the gym broke, and they haven't fixed it yet. Now I have to resist weighing myself every day!

happysinglemom
February 26th, 2008, 04:17 PM
It's actually steel CUT oats. They have a different texture than regular oats, and you may have to look at a different grocer for them. I've only used them in recipes, but here is more info if you want. I just eat regular old oatmeal...but I love the stuff! :p
http://www.netrition.com/mccanns_oats_page.html

I agree about the scale - you can't let every little fluctuation bother you. I see them all the time since I weigh every day. I was 142.4 on Friday, went away for the weekend, and today I was 143. But no biggie...I don't really consider anything a "gain" or "loss" until I've been there at least a week.

So many many different factors contribute to that number on the scale...so ease up on the self-mutilation. :D You are doing great!!

Brenda33
February 26th, 2008, 05:53 PM
I will look for the steel cut oats. I read the website and the texture thing really interests me. I wonder if Trader Joes would have them? I have to go there for balsamic vinegar anyhow.

Well I think I ate very well. I made stuffed peppers....with ground turkey breast....the 99% fat free one....and lima beans and a side salad.

Well I'll try to not get on the scale as often...once a week....?...that may be pushing it. LOL

Gathina
February 26th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Hmm..I thought I did say steel cut oats in my post..which is way different than regular oatmeal..the closest thing I've seen to it is Irish oatmeal which was in England but may be around here..not sure. They take a little longer to cook too than regular oats...but I like them alot for the protein in them.

Brenda: you need to stop being so hard on yourself. You can't flip out every time the scale fluctuates because if you do, I really think sooner or later you're going to say f*** it and then go back to the old ways. It's always easier to get fat because we don't stop and think about what we're doing and stuff ourselves, but now your really forced to think about what your doing and the reality is you probably feel bad about what you did to GET unhealthy and who likes to face a painful reality?


You didn't gain your weight overnight, you can't expect to lose it over night. All the reserach I've ever seen says that most people keep it off WHEN they go slowly and for some that may only be 1 lb per week. You're doing very well, but if this is going to work for you it's more beneficial to be "kind" to yourself. All of us are real good at beating ourselves up. I thought of you Sunday night, I actually had a hamburger at Sonic...with onion rings nonethless..it tasted HORRIBLE and I was sick to my stomach and bloated until yesterday. What a waste and a dissapointment.

Keep up the good work!i

It's actually steel CUT oats. They have a different texture than regular oats, and you may have to look at a different grocer for them. I've only used them in recipes, but here is more info if you want. I just eat regular old oatmeal...but I love the stuff! :p
http://www.netrition.com/mccanns_oats_page.html

I agree about the scale - you can't let every little fluctuation bother you. I see them all the time since I weigh every day. I was 142.4 on Friday, went away for the weekend, and today I was 143. But no biggie...I don't really consider anything a "gain" or "loss" until I've been there at least a week.

So many many different factors contribute to that number on the scale...so ease up on the self-mutilation. :D You are doing great!!

Gathina
February 26th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ok..here is the basic recipe but she didn't use beeer, used water. I didn't realize they were braised. I'm going to try it this weekend in the pressure cooker.

1/4 cup olive oil
2 pounds turkey legs, cut crosswise by your butcher osso bucco-style (about 4 to 6 legs)
2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
1 cup small dice onion
1/2 cup small dice carrot
1/2 cup small dice celery
1/4 cup small dice leeks
1 tablespoon minced garlic
1 tablespoon minced green onion, white part only
2 teaspoons minced ginger
2 tablespoons tomato paste
2 1/2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
2 (12-ounce) bottles Guinness beer
1 1/2 cups veal stock or low sodium canned beef broth
1/2 teaspoon ground allspice
1 tablespoon chopped fresh parsley leaves

Add the olive oil to a large Dutch oven and heat over medium heat until hot. Season the turkey with the salt and pepper. Add half of the turkey legs to the pan and cook until well browned on both sides, about 3 to 4 minutes per side. Set the seared turkey legs on a platter once browned and repeat with the remaining turkey legs. Once all the turkey legs are browned, add the onions, carrots and celery to the pan. Saute the vegetables until softened, about 3 to 4 minutes.
Add the leeks, garlic, green onions and ginger to the pan and saute for 1 minute, stirring often. Add the tomato paste and stir well to incorporate. Sprinkle the flour over the vegetables and stir to combine. Cook, stirring for 3 minutes. Add the Guinness to the Dutch oven and increase the heat to medium-high. Bring the Guinness to a boil and cook for 5 minutes. Add the stock and allspice, stir, and return the turkey legs to the pan. Return the pan to a boil and reduce to a simmer. Cover and continue to cook the turkey legs until tender, about 2 to 2 1/2 hours. Remove the lid, and stir the chopped parsley into the pan. Serve immediately over steamed white rice.

happysinglemom
February 26th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Hmm..I thought I did say steel cut oats in my post..which is way different than regular oatmeal.

You did...I was posting to Brenda as I thought she had missed the "cut" part when she posted back. ;)

happysinglemom
February 26th, 2008, 09:32 PM
the closest thing I've seen to it is Irish oatmeal which was in England but may be around here..not sure. They take a little longer to cook too than regular oats...but I like them alot for the protein in them.


I think the nutrition is the same for regular oats and steel cut. The texture is the only real difference, and that's why many people prefer them. Irish oats is indeed the same thing. :)

Another of my favorite breakfasts is eggbeaters, with a slice of 2% cheese on top. Lots of protein there!! Sometimes I'll add a slice or two of bacon instead...yum!

I have come down with an awful cold...and I have NO appetite at all. I did make myself go to the gym and do 35 min of cardio today...and I felt so much better afterwards, so I am glad I did. But now I'm sitting here with a box of kleenex and drinking water...sure hope I feel better tomorrow! :-(

Brenda33
February 27th, 2008, 06:26 AM
Happy....Hope u feel better!!! I keep thinking that I hope I don't get sick as that would mess up my working out. Its great that you pushed through and went to the gym!!!

M....Thanks for the recipe. One question....turkey legs have alot more fat than turkey breast, so I wouldn't have thought of this as a healthy recipe????

Have a great day everyone.

smoothdancer
February 27th, 2008, 07:34 AM
They do sell Irish Oatmeal here! My sisters boyfriend is originally from the UK, eats it every AM!!

auhhh.. hope you feel better soon Happy. My husband also has that killer cold or something all week and is quite unhappy!

Another one of my fav recipies:
I flower chicken breasts and brown them in a little butter. Slice a half of lemon very thin, place on top of the chicken, brocolli, mushrooms and garlic and simmer for a half hour in chicken broth. The lemon gives it a little kick and they come out so tender..... Easy and fast to make and really yummy.

Gathina
February 27th, 2008, 07:51 AM
Well, they might, but braising, so I'm told, is a good way to cook to eliminate fat..I'm not an expert on that but have read about that in a cookbook or two.

Even so, it's like anything..if it has fat in it you have to be careful. They say that "low fat" isn't really always low fat and sometimes to replace the fat they add other nasty things to the food (i.e, more sugar, sodium, presrevatives) so it's a trade off. I'd still rather have a smaller portion of something that tastes really good and has full fat, versus a bigger portion of something fat free with garbage chemicals in it.

Some other grains I like are couscous (but you can only eat a little) and quinona. I do try, though, for the most part to stay away from wheat and gluten as that what really makes me gain weight.

Happy....Hope u feel better!!! I keep thinking that I hope I don't get sick as that would mess up my working out. Its great that you pushed through and went to the gym!!!

M....Thanks for the recipe. One question....turkey legs have alot more fat than turkey breast, so I wouldn't have thought of this as a healthy recipe????

Have a great day everyone.

Brenda33
February 27th, 2008, 07:51 AM
Smooth....sounds great...but isn't browning them in butter ruining them for the healthy factor????

Gathina
February 27th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Happy, do you ever eat quinona? It's not oatmeal but I've had meatless "patties" out of it..that has a ton of fiber so you have to be careful.

I had boiled green bananas and some ginger tea this morning. Sounds nasty to you guys probably but very delicious with a little cinnamon!


I think the nutrition is the same for regular oats and steel cut. The texture is the only real difference, and that's why many people prefer them. Irish oats is indeed the same thing. :)

Another of my favorite breakfasts is eggbeaters, with a slice of 2% cheese on top. Lots of protein there!! Sometimes I'll add a slice or two of bacon instead...yum!

I have come down with an awful cold...and I have NO appetite at all. I did make myself go to the gym and do 35 min of cardio today...and I felt so much better afterwards, so I am glad I did. But now I'm sitting here with a box of kleenex and drinking water...sure hope I feel better tomorrow! :-(

happysinglemom
February 27th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Happy, do you ever eat quinona? It's not oatmeal but I've had meatless "patties" out of it..that has a ton of fiber so you have to be careful.

I had boiled green bananas and some ginger tea this morning. Sounds nasty to you guys probably but very delicious with a little cinnamon!

I don't think I've ever even heard of quinona. Is is sold in the cereal section? What does it taste like? I am all for good nutrition, but if it doesn't taste good....I won't eat it! :( Of course, I eat stuff now that I never thought I would 10 years ago...amazing what we can train ourselves to like!!

Chigirlcruzin
February 27th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Smooth....sounds great...but isn't browning them in butter ruining them for the healthy factor????

Brenda, some fat in your diet is necessary. Notice she said a little butter...1tbsp of butter/margarine is only 1 WW point, so it's not killing your "diet" to have a little butter.

smoothdancer
February 27th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I don’t think so Brenda. I use one tablespoon of butter for 4 chicken breasts. I am just browning them enough to seal in the juices. We do need some fats in our diet so a tablespoon of butter does not concern me.

But on the home front, finally after a month of no weight loss at all I have broken the 120 mark, lost a pound. I was just to the point of complete frustration so this was a good thing for my morale. To M’s point this stall does happen, it stinks, and you have to be ready to deal with this. During this period I had to constantly remind myself that I feel much better regardless of what the scale says…. I also yesterday had to finally break down and buy new trousers for work because I have a closet full that does not fit, I dropped 2 sizes…No wonder I was swimming in my clothes!…. So even though the scale showed no change the increase in my workouts was working. Still, I am still in such a good mood right now because of that one silly pound!

Brenda33
February 27th, 2008, 12:46 PM
CONGRATULATIONS SMOOTH!! I can only imagine how great you must feel!!! Good work....2 sizes!...amazing!!! You should be very proud!!!!

So I went to Trader Joes today and I bought Quinoa and I also bought Spelt. I am very excited to try these new things!! I would like some ideas or recipes....If anyone has any, please share. OH OH....I also bought steel cut oats and will try those in the morning. I also got Flax Plus Multigrain Cereal. I really wanted to switch up things so as to not get so bored with eating. I even bought a whole grain bread with 5 grams of fiber and had one slice of that with 2 slices of turkey, 1/2 slice of fat free cheese, some salad greens and a few dried cranberries. It was really yummy!!! Just not having bean soup for a day was a thrill in itself! LOL

So I was speaking to my instructor at Curves today and she says I am working out too much! :eek: She said that I am incorporating too many weights and that is why I am not losing weight now. She said I need to do less of the times around the circuit so I don't build too much muscle and if I want to continue working out just do the cardio boxes and do squats, etc. when I get to the machines instead of using the weight machines. She said I am killing myself and she is afraid I am going to quit because I had an upset this week. So anyhow, after I left there I said I have to stop being such a policeman about food.....I'm a little ridiculous. Last night I had the stuffed pepper and pushed about 1/3 of the meat out of the pepper to the side of the dish for fear it might make me gain weight. Now understand that this was ground turkey breast....so I was really getting crazy......I seem to be always hungry so I have to just eat healthy foods and not be afraid of them. Am I right? Its so hard to do that!! Another example is what I just described to you that I had for lunch...the turkey sandwich....was with 1 piece of bread (technically half a sandwich).....I can't seem to accept that I need to eat a bit more....I think I have such a fear of being fat that now I want to be perfect in order to get skinny again.

Alright, I'm chewy your ears off here......but thanks as always for listening. You are all great.....and a huge help. I realy need to be a success in losing weight and getting healthy and I don't think I could do it without all of you.

smoothdancer
February 27th, 2008, 01:37 PM
I am going to be very interested as to what everyone thinks about what Cruves has said. I work out 5 days a week both cardio and weights and I have not built unsightly muscle. I am sure I have read before that you really have to incorporate a lot of weight to build "to much muscle". I will say thought that when I increased my workouts I did not increase the weights but increased the reps and I concentrated on the quality of my reps not quantity. I also increased my cardio time.

We have a Trader Joe's by us, let me know what you think of your new foods as I have also not heard of either an am very curious.

Chigirlcruzin
February 27th, 2008, 01:39 PM
So I was speaking to my instructor at Curves today and she says I am working out too much! :eek: She said that I am incorporating too many weights and that is why I am not losing weight now. She said I need to do less of the times around the circuit so I don't build too much muscle and if I want to continue working out just do the cardio boxes and do squats, etc. when I get to the machines instead of using the weight machines. She said I am killing myself and she is afraid I am going to quit because I had an upset this week. So anyhow, after I left there I said I have to stop being such a policeman about food.....I'm a little ridiculous. Last night I had the stuffed pepper and pushed about 1/3 of the meat out of the pepper to the side of the dish for fear it might make me gain weight. Now understand that this was ground turkey breast....so I was really getting crazy......I seem to be always hungry so I have to just eat healthy foods and not be afraid of them. Am I right? Its so hard to do that!! Another example is what I just described to you that I had for lunch...the turkey sandwich....was with 1 piece of bread (technically half a sandwich).....I can't seem to accept that I need to eat a bit more....I think I have such a fear of being fat that now I want to be perfect in order to get skinny again.



Standing ovation!! I was telling my mom about you :) She said you sound liker her boss. Guess what, after a month he quit because he was always hungry. Diet/losing weight does not have have to equal hungry all the time. A little hunger isn't bad, but if you're always hungry, this won't be a long-term sustainable thing. I'm glad you recognize you're being a bit ridiculous about this. The key to remember is this is a lifestyle change, not just a diet to lose the extra weight. Also remember, you didn't wake up one morning with extra weight, so it's not going to go away overnight either.

Chigirlcruzin
February 27th, 2008, 01:41 PM
I am going to be very interested as to what everyone thinks about what Cruves has said. I work out 5 days a week both cardio and weights and I have not built unsightly muscle. I am sure I have read before that you really have to incorporate a lot of weight to build "to much muscle". I will say thought that when I increased my workouts I did not increase the weights but increased the reps and I concentrated on the quality of my reps not quantity. I also increased my cardio time.

We have a Trader Joe's by us, let me know what you think of your new foods as I have also not heard of either an am very curious.

I agree with you. It takes A LOT of weight and A LOT of working out to really build muscle. What I believe to be more accurate is that she's working out too much for the amount of food she's taking in.

Gathina
February 27th, 2008, 01:54 PM
No, it's something that would be sold more where cornmeal is, etc. It's a VERY hearty grain..it's good to mix with hamburger...I made a Lebanese meatloaf with it once...it adds a ton of fiber and isn't too bad on the carbs end. In Brazil we make kibbe out of it, which is like a meat patty. I buy it at whole foods or the brazilian market..any latin market might have it too, or middle eastern.

Brenda:A little butter is not bad..nor is a little oil..it's when you douse everythign with it. There is no reason why you can't eat everything you enjoy IF you eat smartly, watch the serving sizes, etc. LIke I said before...ask yourself..."do I NEED to eat this cookie, etc.". You have the rest of your life to eat all the garbage you want, but I bet after awhile you'll lose your taste for most of it. I think, at least for me, once you get used to eating healthy the old stuff will make you sick.

Girl, you need to stop being so SCARED of food..there is nothing to be fearful about food! Food is your friend, you are your own worst enemy.

It's a freezing 62 degrees here in Palm Beach this afternoon. I'm going to make some soup this afternoon..with beef bones, yam, yucca, carrots, onions and garlic and plantains.



I don't think I've ever even heard of quinona. Is is sold in the cereal section? What does it taste like? I am all for good nutrition, but if it doesn't taste good....I won't eat it! :( Of course, I eat stuff now that I never thought I would 10 years ago...amazing what we can train ourselves to like!!

Chigirlcruzin
February 27th, 2008, 02:56 PM
It's a freezing 62 degrees here in Palm Beach this afternoon. I'm going to make some soup this afternoon..with beef bones, yam, yucca, carrots, onions and garlic and plantains.

I will gladly trade places with you. We're expecting MORE snow tomorrow, and then MORE on Sunday. We've already had 65 inches this winter. And at 62 degrees, people would be whipping out the bathing suits and heading for the beach!

happysinglemom
February 27th, 2008, 04:35 PM
So I was speaking to my instructor at Curves today and she says I am working out too much! :eek: She said that I am incorporating too many weights and that is why I am not losing weight now. She said I need to do less of the times around the circuit so I don't build too much muscle and if I want to continue working out just do the cardio boxes and do squats, etc. when I get to the machines instead of using the weight machines.

I am no instructor. But, I do a full body workout (both free weights and machines) twice a week minimum...been doing it for years. And I use pretty decent weights (I use 20 lb dumbbells for my curls), so I would think that I would have experienced the often touted "muscle weight gain". :rolleyes: Lifting weights or doing strengthening activities like push-ups and crunches on a regular basis helps you maintain or lose weight, because you will build muscle, and muscle burns more calories than body fat. So if you have more muscle, you burn more calories—even sitting still. Doing strengthening activities 2 or 3 days a week will not “bulk you up.” !! Only intense strength training with seriously heavy weights can build very large muscles and cause true muscle weight gain.

I do have noticeable muscles, but I work for that - I like being physically strong because it helps so much just with life's daily chores (especially as a single mom!). And I expect that there is a small weight difference due to my muscle mass, but it's definitely not of a degree that I EVER noticed on the scale while losing fat. I suspect you probably use far less weight than I (no offense :o , just that I've been doing it a LONG time!) so I would take her advice with a grain of salt. Just my opinion though!!!:)

happysinglemom
February 27th, 2008, 05:14 PM
I will gladly trade places with you. We're expecting MORE snow tomorrow, and then MORE on Sunday. We've already had 65 inches this winter. And at 62 degrees, people would be whipping out the bathing suits and heading for the beach!

And I would trade places with YOU (at least for a little while!!:D ). We hardly ever get snow here anymore. :(

Brenda33
February 27th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Happy.....There is no way for me to know about how much weight....its circuit machines.....automatic weight.....I guess u get that? LOL

I HATE SNOW!

Brenda33
February 27th, 2008, 06:48 PM
So I guess everyone is telling me to continue with my workout 5 days a week.....I thought that the best idea.....we'll see how it goes. I'll give it some more time.

happysinglemom
February 27th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Happy.....There is no way for me to know about how much weight....its circuit machines.....automatic weight.....I guess u get that? LOL

I HATE SNOW!

I LOVE SNOW! :D (But only because we never get it!)

Brenda - sorry...I wasn't really asking how much weight you were using...I realize that some of those circuit training places set the weight for you. My point was just that I think I would have noticed any impact on my weight of my workouts - you have to be a serious bodybuilder to put on noticeable muscle weight. So yes...definitely keep at it. I think you would be better served to continue what you are doing. :)

happysinglemom
February 27th, 2008, 11:03 PM
My HRM showed 337 calories burned for my lunch cardio (35 min). And my evening workout burned 477 (1.5 hours). Grand total of 814 calories!! Man I love my HRM! :p

Anyone else use one? I was paying extra attention tonight - it is surprising how high my heart rate can get doing strength training. Of course it goes down very very quickly. And the muscles that shoot it up the highest are my legs - which makes perfect sense since quads are the largest muscle, and the larger the muscle, the larger the calories expended. The next ones were the shoulders. Abs...not so much. Cool stuff! (I am such a geek about this stuff! ;) )

Chigirlcruzin
February 28th, 2008, 05:34 AM
I LOVE SNOW! :D (But only because we never get it!)

Brenda - sorry...I wasn't really asking how much weight you were using...I realize that some of those circuit training places set the weight for you. My point was just that I think I would have noticed any impact on my weight of my workouts - you have to be a serious bodybuilder to put on noticeable muscle weight. So yes...definitely keep at it. I think you would be better served to continue what you are doing. :)

I think you'd get over that feeling if you had just one of the snowstorms we've had this winter. I heard on the local news yesterday that Madison, WI set an all-time record this year for snowfall. My folks are in Green Bay, and they can't even see out the patio windows!

Brenda, Happy is right. I've been lifting weights since I was 18 (along with cardio) with only a few breaks in there (mono, an injury, extremely busy work and travel schedule). It has not impeded my weight loss nor do I look like a body builder. You have to be so careful with what the people at the gyms tell you...I've found that most don't really know as much as they think they do. Stick to your 5 day a week schedule.

Chigirlcruzin
February 28th, 2008, 05:37 AM
My HRM showed 337 calories burned for my lunch cardio (35 min). And my evening workout burned 477 (1.5 hours). Grand total of 814 calories!! Man I love my HRM! :p

Anyone else use one? I was paying extra attention tonight - it is surprising how high my heart rate can get doing strength training. Of course it goes down very very quickly. And the muscles that shoot it up the highest are my legs - which makes perfect sense since quads are the largest muscle, and the larger the muscle, the larger the calories expended. The next ones were the shoulders. Abs...not so much. Cool stuff! (I am such a geek about this stuff! ;) )

I used on for several years, but the battery died right before I did the Chicago triathlon. I haven't replaced it, but I should. I do monitor my HR while working out, and I'm consistently in the 80% range. When I first started using it, I realized I wasn't working as hard as I thought I was! You know what, I'm going to go get this darned thing fixed, or I'm buying a new one. I miss using it!

smoothdancer
February 28th, 2008, 06:41 AM
Chi.. I am so impressed with your participation in triathlons. This spring my goal is to run a 5 mile and I may have to pick your brain when the time comes.

I think I am going to amend my answer a bit. Yes, I do work out 5 days a week but I do 2 days, a day off, 3 days, a day off. I always start with 45 minutes of cardio followed by a series of flex exercies using a ballet bar. (this is for the backbends and splits I do in dancing). Then I concentrate on a group of muscles, whlle the next day it is another group of muscles, giving a rest to the muscles I worked the day before. So even though I did not buy the comment the instructor made about building muscle I did follow that she wanted Brenda to rest muscles, and just do cardio on some days. With the Curves circut it sounds like all muscles are worked without the flexiability some of us have with the gyms we belong to.

Talking about thoes backbends... Ouch. I am working on building my core strentgh so we can dance into this backbend in 2 and a half weeks. A backbend is one of thoes illusions. It is all done by the control and stretching of the center into a lay out and really hardly uses the back muscles at all.... My center right now is screaming from my last night work-out and man am I glad this is a day off!

Chigirlcruzin
February 28th, 2008, 06:58 AM
I don't run anymore. I got a lung infection, and that's all healed up, but I'm unable to run...I always struggled with it (I have asthma), this just made it that much worse. LOVE the bike though...can't wait til the weather gets better and I can do fewer spin classes and more road biking!

I'm a 5-7 day a week person. However, if I do 7 days, one day is very light - usually just some ab work and 20-30 minutes cardio. I did 5 days last week and 5 days this week since my work schedule was crazy (but my meeting on Tuesday went VERY well...got everything approved!).

Ah backbends...I remember when I was in gymnastics and could just bend over without thinking of it...now it takes some work and it takes me a bit longer to do it. I like to do it though for the flexibility.

Oh, I lost another pound! 6 more to go in 45 days. IF I don't get there, I'm fine with that. I've come so far and look sooo much better in my bathing suits and clothes. I will be careful with what I eat and drink, will keep my workout schedule, and finish when I get back.

Brenda33
February 28th, 2008, 08:00 AM
Good morning everyone....

Congratulations Chi on another pound lost!!! Good luck with your eating when you go on your cruise. I know for me that will be a major struggle...but maybe not by November when I go....I may be more used to my new way of eating. I know last time I went on the Valor (2005) I ate myself through the ship....Multiple appetizers, etc. BUT I started at 119 on that cruise and only went up to 124......so I wasn't too upset. Now I can't even get close to 124!!!!

Yes, I'm still so frustrated. Still haven't lost the pound I gained, let alone getting back on the losing track. I spend each day completely exhausted. You have to understand that I have never been an energetic person and now I am kicking my butt every morning. I pass out very early in the evenings....with all sorts of body pains. It wouldn't be so bad if I could just see results. But now the time clock is ticking. My the end of March I need to be either able to fit into my old summer clothes or have to go on a tortorous search for all new shorts, capris and swimsuits. I can't believe that I am going to have to wear a 1 piece suit. I say it all so negatively because I don't know what else I can do. I can't exercise anymore because I am simply exhausted and in pain. I can't eat anymore healthy....I do that already....my body just says NO.....it wants to be this weight. I watched an older woman in her 70's lose 11 pounds at Curves in one month. I lost 4. :eek: I'm not saying she doesn't work hard....but come on!!!

Why are the mornings so darn depressing?????? But, dont' worry....I'm still going strong....just hurting from not seeing the results I want......and you know what....?...I don't just want those results....for me I Need those results.

Chigirlcruzin
February 28th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Brenda, please stop it! First, you really can't compare yourself to others. How large was the woman that lost 11 pounds in a month? Larger people take the weight off quicker (in the beginning). You should not be feeling exhausted. You have the exercise down, so I'm not going to say much about that except that I think Smooth is right - limit your weights to maybe 3 days, and just do cardio on the other two. I do cardio every time I work out, but weights 3 or 4 days.

You say you can't eat any healthier. I disagree. You aren't eating anything bad, but you aren't getting enough of the right things. You have very few fruits, veggies, and dairy in your diet. All are essential for health and weight loss. I really really think you need to look into something like Weight Watchers. It will teach you how to eat healthy. You simply aren't eating enough. Eat more, and you will have more energy. In my WW tracker, I have boxes to check off for dairy (two servings a day), fruits and veggies (five servings a day), and believe it or no, 2 tsp of oil each day. I already told you what a typical day is like. I get to eat all that AND I've lost 16 pounds in less than 8 weeks. Besides this, I truly feel that WW isn't a diet - I will be able to maintain this once I hit my goal.

Here is what I'm eating today, and the respecitive point values. I get 19 points a day, plus I earn 4 more for my exercise (I really earn 6 or 7 points, but WW says to only take 4 of those as food). I wasn't taking the extra 4 points, and the WW leader said I needed to because my body needed the fuel. When I added the four points, I started losing again.

1 small banana - 1 point
Scrambled Egg Beaters with 1 oz ham - 2 pts
WW Yogurt - 1 point
1 cup strawberries - 1 point
1 cup skim milk - 2 pts
Roast beef sandwhich on whole wheat with lettuce and mustard - 3 pts (2 for the roast beef and 1 for the bread - I use Healthy Life - 1 pt for 2 pc)
3 cups veggies (baby carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes) - 0 pts
Apple - 1 pt
Crunchy Baked Chicken (Chicken covered with 1/2 cup cornflakes, sesame seeds, seasonings, and 1 tsp margarine) - 5 pts
Mushrooms and broccoli sauteed in 2 tsp olive oil - 2 pts (pts are from the oil)
Orange - 1 pt
Popcorn - 1 pt
1/2 cup sorbet - 3 pts

Your body is saying NO, I want to be this weight because you aren't giving it enough fuel (food). When it does get fuel, it "hangs on" to it because it's not getting enough. Please, others have told you the same thing here. Try it for a week. And step away from the &%^$ scale FTLOG! You can't handle the swings that naturally occur in all of us, so you need to weigh your self less often.

Now, I'm going to say something that might get me flamed, but so be it. We keep telling you the same things...you keep telling us the same things. We all are cheering for you and want you to lose. You came to this board looking for advice. We're giving it to you because we've been there, done that, or we're at a a futher stage in our weight loss. You aren't listening to us. If you just want to vent, that's one thing, but when we keep giving advice that's ignored and then we see the same complaints, well, it's frustrating. I hope this doesn't upset you too much, but come on Brenda. Your way isn't working for you, and we're trying to help. We all have experience with this, and we're giving you tips that have proven effective that you're ignoring.

Gathina
February 28th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Brenda, you need to get off your high horse and get back to reality. You are NOT the same as everyone. Face reality..you've had children, your 43, you have hormones that are shifting..you need to get rid of this picutre that you are going to look the way you used to. You are losing weight to be healthy, not just so you can fit into certain clothes and go pork out on a cruise or for any other reason. I am sorry this is borderline cruel but I second everything Chigirl said.

What would you SAY to a friend who was saying the stuff you are? You need to start telling yourself that same thing.

What's your real motive for losing weight? I am not convinced yet it's to be healthy, I think it's all about you being 43 and the cruise and wishing you looked the way you used to.

Maybe you need to take a couple days of from working out and focus on your head and how your thinking instead. You are burning out much too fast and trying to be too perfect at this exercise thing and eating. You have made tremendous progress but it's like your afraid of food!

Did you like the steel cut oats?

Good morning everyone....

Congratulations Chi on another pound lost!!! Good luck with your eating when you go on your cruise. I know for me that will be a major struggle...but maybe not by November when I go....I may be more used to my new way of eating. I know last time I went on the Valor (2005) I ate myself through the ship....Multiple appetizers, etc. BUT I started at 119 on that cruise and only went up to 124......so I wasn't too upset. Now I can't even get close to 124!!!!

Yes, I'm still so frustrated. Still haven't lost the pound I gained, let alone getting back on the losing track. I spend each day completely exhausted. You have to understand that I have never been an energetic person and now I am kicking my butt every morning. I pass out very early in the evenings....with all sorts of body pains. It wouldn't be so bad if I could just see results. But now the time clock is ticking. My the end of March I need to be either able to fit into my old summer clothes or have to go on a tortorous search for all new shorts, capris and swimsuits. I can't believe that I am going to have to wear a 1 piece suit. I say it all so negatively because I don't know what else I can do. I can't exercise anymore because I am simply exhausted and in pain. I can't eat anymore healthy....I do that already....my body just says NO.....it wants to be this weight. I watched an older woman in her 70's lose 11 pounds at Curves in one month. I lost 4. :eek: I'm not saying she doesn't work hard....but come on!!!

Why are the mornings so darn depressing?????? But, dont' worry....I'm still going strong....just hurting from not seeing the results I want......and you know what....?...I don't just want those results....for me I Need those results.

Gathina
February 28th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Chigirl! Did you graduate from the University of Menina??! Dios mi! :)

Brenda, please stop it! First, you really can't compare yourself to others. How large was the woman that lost 11 pounds in a month? Larger people take the weight off quicker (in the beginning). You should not be feeling exhausted. You have the exercise down, so I'm not going to say much about that except that I think Smooth is right - limit your weights to maybe 3 days, and just do cardio on the other two. I do cardio every time I work out, but weights 3 or 4 days.

You say you can't eat any healthier. I disagree. You aren't eating anything bad, but you aren't getting enough of the right things. You have very few fruits, veggies, and dairy in your diet. All are essential for health and weight loss. I really really think you need to look into something like Weight Watchers. It will teach you how to eat healthy. You simply aren't eating enough. Eat more, and you will have more energy. In my WW tracker, I have boxes to check off for dairy (two servings a day), fruits and veggies (five servings a day), and believe it or no, 2 tsp of oil each day. I already told you what a typical day is like. I get to eat all that AND I've lost 16 pounds in less than 8 weeks. Besides this, I truly feel that WW isn't a diet - I will be able to maintain this once I hit my goal.

Here is what I'm eating today, and the respecitive point values. I get 19 points a day, plus I earn 4 more for my exercise (I really earn 6 or 7 points, but WW says to only take 4 of those as food). I wasn't taking the extra 4 points, and the WW leader said I needed to because my body needed the fuel. When I added the four points, I started losing again.

1 small banana - 1 point
Scrambled Egg Beaters with 1 oz ham - 2 pts
WW Yogurt - 1 point
1 cup strawberries - 1 point
1 cup skim milk - 2 pts
Roast beef sandwhich on whole wheat with lettuce and mustard - 3 pts (2 for the roast beef and 1 for the bread - I use Healthy Life - 1 pt for 2 pc)
3 cups veggies (baby carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes) - 0 pts
Apple - 1 pt
Crunchy Baked Chicken (Chicken covered with 1/2 cup cornflakes, sesame seeds, seasonings, and 1 tsp margarine) - 5 pts
Mushrooms and broccoli sauteed in 2 tsp olive oil - 2 pts (pts are from the oil)
Orange - 1 pt
Popcorn - 1 pt
1/2 cup sorbet - 3 pts

Your body is saying NO, I want to be this weight because you aren't giving it enough fuel (food). When it does get fuel, it "hangs on" to it because it's not getting enough. Please, others have told you the same thing here. Try it for a week. And step away from the &%^$ scale FTLOG! You can't handle the swings that naturally occur in all of us, so you need to weigh your self less often.

Now, I'm going to say something that might get me flamed, but so be it. We keep telling you the same things...you keep telling us the same things. We all are cheering for you and want you to lose. You came to this board looking for advice. We're giving it to you because we've been there, done that, or we're at a a futher stage in our weight loss. You aren't listening to us. If you just want to vent, that's one thing, but when we keep giving advice that's ignored and then we see the same complaints, well, it's frustrating. I hope this doesn't upset you too much, but come on Brenda. Your way isn't working for you, and we're trying to help. We all have experience with this, and we're giving you tips that have proven effective that you're ignoring.

happysinglemom
February 28th, 2008, 10:37 AM
So even though I did not buy the comment the instructor made about building muscle I did follow that she wanted Brenda to rest muscles, and just do cardio on some days. With the Curves circut it sounds like all muscles are worked without the flexiability some of us have with the gyms we belong to.

I absolutely agree with the muscle rest. I do cardio every day, but work all my muscle groups twice a week (3x, if I can work it in!) and I like to that in two full workouts (usually Wed nite and the weekend). I have tried splitting it up over more days, so that I might be doing strength training 4 or 5 days a week, but that just doesn't work as well for me. Better for me to spend the time all at once...just works better for me time-wise. I had assumed that Brenda is NOT working the same muscle groups 2 days in a row as 48 hours rest is usually the recommended recovery time for a muscle group. I would think that the instructors would know that much, at least I would hope so.

happysinglemom
February 28th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Good morning everyone....

Congratulations Chi on another pound lost!!! Good luck with your eating when you go on your cruise. I know for me that will be a major struggle...but maybe not by November when I go....I may be more used to my new way of eating. I know last time I went on the Valor (2005) I ate myself through the ship....Multiple appetizers, etc. BUT I started at 119 on that cruise and only went up to 124......so I wasn't too upset. Now I can't even get close to 124!!!!

Yes, I'm still so frustrated. Still haven't lost the pound I gained, let alone getting back on the losing track. I spend each day completely exhausted. You have to understand that I have never been an energetic person and now I am kicking my butt every morning. I pass out very early in the evenings....with all sorts of body pains. It wouldn't be so bad if I could just see results. But now the time clock is ticking. My the end of March I need to be either able to fit into my old summer clothes or have to go on a tortorous search for all new shorts, capris and swimsuits. I can't believe that I am going to have to wear a 1 piece suit. I say it all so negatively because I don't know what else I can do. I can't exercise anymore because I am simply exhausted and in pain. I can't eat anymore healthy....I do that already....my body just says NO.....it wants to be this weight. I watched an older woman in her 70's lose 11 pounds at Curves in one month. I lost 4. :eek: I'm not saying she doesn't work hard....but come on!!!

Why are the mornings so darn depressing?????? But, dont' worry....I'm still going strong....just hurting from not seeing the results I want......and you know what....?...I don't just want those results....for me I Need those results.

Brenda, I am wondering about the "exhausted and in pain" part. What the heck are you doing to create that much exhaustion? Even when I am sick, after I do a full workout at the gym I feel like a million bucks...and so should you. It should GIVE you energy - not decrease it. :confused: So are you not getting enough sleep? Something else must be going on here....the workouts should not be doing that to you.

Are you doing a food journal? If not, you absolutely should - I think for you, it's a MUST. In fact, start posting it here. I think we are missing something...and I suspect it is in your diet. We want to help, so let us. :o

smoothdancer
February 28th, 2008, 11:05 AM
I third the sentiments that have been posted here. Actually a day or so ago I begin to post that I thought Brenda was not taking advantage of a group of gals that have really jumped in to help, then deleted it…. Thinking Brenda was not quite ready to hear this, but I am glad Chigirl went ahead and posted what now I see we all had been thinking.

No doubt, it is hard after you loose that initial weight and have a pause to come to terms with the fact that you have to increase calories. Some how at first it does not make sense to change something that has worked, I guess you just have to go on faith and the success of the people before you, just do it. So although I can appreciate the resistance, the complaining after ignoring good advice is irritating… Brenda, don’t push away and piss off the very group that has stuck with you.

Now, as to the weight loss "to look good" attitude. Myself on the onset I see nothing wrong with this and in fact at first this was also my sole motivation. You have to find that “thing” that keeps you on a diet, habits will then form and then it is no longer a diet but a way of life. After a period you start to feel good, research how you should design your eating habits, and it just grows from there…. So far, I have had no issue with diet to cruise but now this time has passed, time to move on….. I fear if some attitude and eating habits don’t change we will see a crash and burn.

So now Brenda, go back read some of these great posts, come back and tell us how we can help to get you from point A to B…. or go back to eating Red Robin and give it up.

Gathina
February 28th, 2008, 12:05 PM
The thing about looking good..I agree..BUT it is supposed to REINFORCE you to keep doing good, even when the scale doesn't move!

I third the sentiments that have been posted here. Actually a day or so ago I begin to post that I thought Brenda was not taking advantage of a group of gals that have really jumped in to help, then deleted it…. Thinking Brenda was not quite ready to hear this, but I am glad Chigirl went ahead and posted what now I see we all had been thinking.

No doubt, it is hard after you loose that initial weight and have a pause to come to terms with the fact that you have to increase calories. Some how at first it does not make sense to change something that has worked, I guess you just have to go on faith and the success of the people before you, just do it. So although I can appreciate the resistance, the complaining after ignoring good advice is irritating… Brenda, don’t push away and piss off the very group that has stuck with you.

Now, as to the weight loss "to look good" attitude. Myself on the onset I see nothing wrong with this and in fact at first this was also my sole motivation. You have to find that “thing” that keeps you on a diet, habits will then form and then it is no longer a diet but a way of life. After a period you start to feel good, research how you should design your eating habits, and it just grows from there…. So far, I have had no issue with diet to cruise but now this time has passed, time to move on….. I fear if some attitude and eating habits don’t change we will see a crash and burn.

So now Brenda, go back read some of these great posts, come back and tell us how we can help to get you from point A to B…. or go back to eating Red Robin and give it up.

Chigirlcruzin
February 28th, 2008, 12:25 PM
Chigirl! Did you graduate from the University of Menina??! Dios mi! :)


Lol. As I was typing, I thought, "I think Menina will be in 100% agreement with me."

Brenda, I hope we haven't upset you too much, but this is reality. Come on, we all want to see you succeed.

Brenda33
February 28th, 2008, 12:32 PM
You know its funny....as I was typing this morning I guess I knew I was going to get "yelled at" for sounding like a broken record and not seeming like I was willing to change. So here is what I will do....I am going to start posting everything I am eating......tell me exactly what you think.

Breakfast: One Mango Berry Bran Muffin (from health food section), 110 calories, 2.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. I had water to drink

Lunch: 1 slice whole grain bread made with whole wheat flour..., 90 calories, 0.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. 2 slices turkey breast, 1/2 slice fat free cheese 15 calories, 9 dried cranberries, a little frisee and a splash of balsamic vinegar. Water to drink.

Dinner I think I am going to make Creamy Quinoa Primavera. I got the recipe online. I will have a salad with that. I'll let you know the details later.

So yesterday I apparently pulled a shoulder muscle. I having a hell of a time moving today......but working through it. At the gym I decided to listen to the Curves lady.....but what she was really saying to me was not what I thought she was saying. What she was really saying was do the "routine" 3 times around (the recommended amount)....then do it a different way. She had me doing squats with pulsing and without on the boxes. Also knee lifts with arms, etc. later on. When I got to a machine she had me doing leg lifts without setting my leg on the ground. My heart rate was even higher than when I was doing the normal routine! The sweat was pouring off of me!!!! I thought this would be easier!! Boy was I wrong!! She literally kicked my butt. Go ahead say it....you are all thinking "good...u deserve it!" LOL Anyhow, maybe she is right, I just need to change up my workout a bit. In any case, she said she won't let me fail and be right there with me working through this and she will continue to kick my butt. She did insist that I take tomorrow off because of my shoulder and exhaustion to my muscles. I decided to listen....because obviously my way doesn't work......and I thought her way was going to be easy and pointless.....BOY WAS I WRONG!!!

I need Aleve......

Brenda33
February 28th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Oh, forgot to answer a question. For me this is mostly about looking good. I need to look good. BUT, I can honestly tell you it is definitely about being healthy also. I realized it when I was walking around the campus with my daughter and there was a slight incline on the grounds and I couldn't catch my breath. SOmething was obviously wrong.

Brenda33
February 28th, 2008, 02:18 PM
So I felt hungry. I added a snack to the following food total:

Breakfast: One Mango Berry Bran Muffin (from health food section), 110 calories, 2.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. I had water to drink

Lunch: 1 slice whole grain bread made with whole wheat flour..., 90 calories, 0.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. 2 slices turkey breast, 1/2 slice fat free cheese 15 calories, 9 dried cranberries, a little frisee and a splash of balsamic vinegar. Water to drink.

Snack: 1 Small Banana, 1 cup green tea with 2 Splendas.

Dinner I think I am going to make Creamy Quinoa Primavera. I got the recipe online. I will have a salad with that. I'll let you know the details later.

I'd also like to say. I feel better after having this. A banana....well other than in a smoothie....I haven't had one in I can't tell you how long. It was yummy and satisfying. I am also getting sick (ugghhh). I have a cold and a congested chest. I may be a bit run down.

Gathina
February 29th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Brenda, to me this seems like hardly any food at all...especially with all the working out you are doing. For breakfast, I'd add a small piece of fruit. How much sugar did that muffin have? We are supposed to have LESS than 2 teaspoons a day,a nd less than 2 teaspooons of sodium a day (under 2000 g to be exact)

Lunch:I'd add another piece of bread or maybe a small salad.

I'd add a piece of fruit or yogurt mid morning and also mid afternoon, and at some point during the day maybe a tablespoon of nuts. I think you need more protein.

Did you check out www.stewsmith.com (http://www.stewsmith.com) to get an idea of how many servings of each you should have? I thought for a balanced diet we were supposed to have 3 servings of protein, 5 fruits/vegetables and 2 starches.

It just seems like too little to me.

Here is the lebanese meatloaf recipe, I like this one alot..it has 265 calories per serving and it serves 4 but those would be rather giant servings.

Ingredients
1 cup bulgur wheat
2 cups coarsely chopped onions
1 lb extra lean ground beef (7% fat or less) or lamb
1/2 teaspoon pepper
1/2 teaspoon ground cumin
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon salt
1/3 cup chopped parsley
black peppercorns
1 cup plain nonfat yogurt
Directions
1Place bulgur in a fine strainer and rinse thoroughly with cool water.
2In a food processor, finely chop the onions. Add beef, 1/2 cup water, pepper, cumin, cinnamon, and 1 teaspoon salt. Whirl until mixture is a smooth paste.
3Add bulgur and 1/4 cup parsley; whirl just to mix.
4Pat meat mixture evenly into a shallow 1- to 1 1/2-quart casserole. Cut through meat mixture to make diamonds 2 to 3 inches wide. Place a peppercorn in the center of each diamond.
5Bake, uncovered, in a 425° oven until meat is no longer pink in center (cut to test), about 25 minutes. Sprinkle with remaining parsley and add salt to taste.
6To serve, cut diamonds apart and accompany with yogurt.
Yield: Makes 4 servings.


Let me know about the quinona....M

You know its funny....as I was typing this morning I guess I knew I was going to get "yelled at" for sounding like a broken record and not seeming like I was willing to change. So here is what I will do....I am going to start posting everything I am eating......tell me exactly what you think.

Breakfast: One Mango Berry Bran Muffin (from health food section), 110 calories, 2.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. I had water to drink

Lunch: 1 slice whole grain bread made with whole wheat flour..., 90 calories, 0.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. 2 slices turkey breast, 1/2 slice fat free cheese 15 calories, 9 dried cranberries, a little frisee and a splash of balsamic vinegar. Water to drink.

Dinner I think I am going to make Creamy Quinoa Primavera. I got the recipe online. I will have a salad with that. I'll let you know the details later.

So yesterday I apparently pulled a shoulder muscle. I having a hell of a time moving today......but working through it. At the gym I decided to listen to the Curves lady.....but what she was really saying to me was not what I thought she was saying. What she was really saying was do the "routine" 3 times around (the recommended amount)....then do it a different way. She had me doing squats with pulsing and without on the boxes. Also knee lifts with arms, etc. later on. When I got to a machine she had me doing leg lifts without setting my leg on the ground. My heart rate was even higher than when I was doing the normal routine! The sweat was pouring off of me!!!! I thought this would be easier!! Boy was I wrong!! She literally kicked my butt. Go ahead say it....you are all thinking "good...u deserve it!" LOL Anyhow, maybe she is right, I just need to change up my workout a bit. In any case, she said she won't let me fail and be right there with me working through this and she will continue to kick my butt. She did insist that I take tomorrow off because of my shoulder and exhaustion to my muscles. I decided to listen....because obviously my way doesn't work......and I thought her way was going to be easy and pointless.....BOY WAS I WRONG!!!

I need Aleve......

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 08:51 AM
Ditto what Menina said. You are eating less than 1000 calories a day - closer to 700. This is why you aren't losing weight and why you are exhausted!!!! You need more dairy, fruits, veggies, protein, EVERYTHING! In general (obviously, everybody's different), you need 1200 calories a day just to function - breathe, nail growth, hair growth, etc. You aren't even getting that. PLEASE listen to us and eat more. When my dad stalled on his weight loss, he added more protein and another glass of milk, and he started losing again.

Gathina
February 29th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Protein is VERY key to losing weight..not going hog wild on it, but adding bits of it...a small handful of nuts..have you ever tried raw cashews? YUM...they are NOT roasted or salted and so yummy..or maybe a tablespoon of peanut butter with some celery. Yogurt has a lot of protein and has dairy. Eggs are pretty low calorie and high in protein. Kidney beans have a lot of fiber and protein, you can eat those in a salad. Avacadoes are good too. You don't have to add much, just a little.

You can still eat pretty much anything you want if you just keep it to around 1500 calories a day. I read somewhere that if you eat too little you put your body into starvation mode and that can trigger something that keeps you from losing weight.


Ditto what Menina said. You are eating less than 1000 calories a day - closer to 700. This is why you aren't losing weight and why you are exhausted!!!! You need more dairy, fruits, veggies, protein, EVERYTHING! In general (obviously, everybody's different), you need 1200 calories a day just to function - breathe, nail growth, hair growth, etc. You aren't even getting that. PLEASE listen to us and eat more. When my dad stalled on his weight loss, he added more protein and another glass of milk, and he started losing again.

Brenda33
February 29th, 2008, 09:41 AM
The quinoa was actually very very good. I thought I was eating vegetable risotto!!! I checked out the nutritional value and it is high in protein. That is basically what it is all about. So I did have protein with dinner and quite a bit actually. It has about 4g of fiber. Less than I thought actually. You boil the quinoa in lowfat or fat free chicken broth. On the side saute in a little olive oil zucchini, carrots,broccoli, garlic and scallions.....when quinoa has absorbed all the broth add 2 ounches of Neufatchel cheese (lowfat cream cheese) and 2 tablespoons romano cheese. Now mix everything together, add seasonings like salt, pepper, basil, etc. It was really good and I had salad on the side....and to the salad for more dairy I added fat free feta cheese. I had 2 diet ginger ales yesterday. I normally drink waters, but I am not feeling well and giner ale helps.

So far today i had the same muffin as yesterday, but because I don't feel well I am very full from it.......but if I feel at all hungry I will have a piece of fruit or yogurt.

Regarding nuts, I do (just not yesterday) snack on almonds, macadamias or cashews. I had read how good they are for you, but not to eat alot because they are high in calories.

I get from reading that it is OK for me to have a whole sandwich at lunch instead of a half....that's really good news......I feel cheated with half a sandwich, it takes longer to make it than eat it! LOL

If not today....because of being ill, I will try to add more foods into my day.....and not feel guilty about it. I will continue my food diary here.

By the way, the Curves lady kicked my butt so much yesterday that I can hardly walk! I definitely cringe going up and especially down the stairs....I hate to sit down.....it is extreme pain!!! Not just wimpy little pains either! I guess she wasn't kidding that she was really working me! I had to go to the dentist with my son early this morning...before 8!....and I had to take the elevator because the stairs were way too painful!!! LOl

Thanks for the recipe M....

Breakfast: 1 Mango Berry Muffin, 110 calories, 5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams fat, 8 grams sugar (which according to ingredients is in the form of concentrated white grape juice). This muffin is not even a little sweet.

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 09:44 AM
So I felt hungry. I added a snack to the following food total:

Breakfast: One Mango Berry Bran Muffin (from health food section), 110 calories, 2.5 g fat, 5 g fiber. I had water to drink



Muffins are very deceiving. They seem healthy, especially when they're in the health food section and have things like bran in them, but they are often FULL of sugar! A better alternative would be a whole grain english muffin with some peanut butter.

Brenda33
February 29th, 2008, 09:55 AM
Chi...8 grams of sugar is too much?.....like I said they were not even a little sweet....not at all. Anyhow, I only had a couple which is why I ate them right away. I plan on trying my steel cut oats over the weekend.

Just because I am trying to listen I ate a sickel pear. The ones I bought this time are larger than the last ones. They are HALF the size of a regular pear.

Updated Food Journal for Today:

Breakfast: 1 Mango Berry Muffin, 110 calories, 5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams fat, 8 grams sugar (which according to ingredients is in the form of concentrated white grape juice). This muffin is not even a little sweet.

Snack: Sickel Pear (half the size of regular Pear)

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I posted before I saw that it had 8g sugar. That's not too bad. Does it taste good though?

Brenda33
February 29th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Chi...I am not one for sweets at all, so to me it does taste good. More like a bread I guess.

Gathina
February 29th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Well, sugar is sugar..you still have to be careful even if it is "natural" sugar. Even with the low fat stuff they load it with other garbage to improve the taste because of less sugar.

Remember, knowledge is power! I made beef soup yesterday..pressure cooked beef bones, carrot, white sweet potato, onion, garlic..the meat fell off the bones then I skimmed off all the fat from the brothe. It's 60 here today, feels like 30 to me and I am wearing a mohair cardigan!

I feel like PIZZA today!

Chi...I am not one for sweets at all, so to me it does taste good. More like a bread I guess.

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 11:00 AM
I feel like PIZZA today!

I hear ya! My (7 months pregnant) sister and her husband went to this awesome place a few weeks ago. I've been craving it ever since. I'm caving in tomorrow night - my sister and I are going to head there. She's feeling a little bad - hubby went out of town for the weekend, she feels like a whale, so we're going to go shopping and out for pizza.

Gathina
February 29th, 2008, 11:29 AM
A whale? that's pretty bad! A colleague treated me to the Cheescake Factory last night (we call it the "Cheescake Trough")..we didn't go out until 10 pm and it was so late so I had coffee and split some Mahi fish tacos with her. Passing up the cheesecake was easy..the price of a piece is like the price of an entire meal! Are you eating Chicago style pizza? Oh my gosh that is to die for.

Do you listen to music, a friend of mine is a musician and plays throughout Chicago..I can email you his website..he plays mostly in coffee houses and juke joint kinds of places


I hear ya! My (7 months pregnant) sister and her husband went to this awesome place a few weeks ago. I've been craving it ever since. I'm caving in tomorrow night - my sister and I are going to head there. She's feeling a little bad - hubby went out of town for the weekend, she feels like a whale, so we're going to go shopping and out for pizza.

happysinglemom
February 29th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Protein is VERY key to losing weight.

I agree with this. When the body loses weight, some of that weight is from lost muscle, in addition to fat. To retain and/or build muscle, you must do 2 things: 1) do resistance exercises, and 2) ensure you are eat enough protein. Otherwise, you will lose a greater % of muslce tissue, and the end result will be a higher body fat composition - and that is what you do NOT want! (This is why "yo-yo dieting" is so unhealthy - the body fat % just keeps getting higher and higher.)

You can still eat pretty much anything you want if you just keep it to around 1500 calories a day. I read somewhere that if you eat too little you put your body into starvation mode and that can trigger something that keeps you from losing weight.

I have read this elsewhere as well, but it is NOT the case for me, (and a few other people that I know). My body knows no "starvation mode". My maintenance calories - for MY ideal weight (and that is the difference) is 1200 - 1300 calories a day. I eat more than that, I gain weight (fat!). Period. No way around it - been that way for as long as I can remember. Unless I am running a half-marathon that day, or do an extremely heavy day at the gym, I need fewer calories than most published guidelines, so it is even more critical for me to concentrate on good nutrition and protien. I've said it before, each body works differently, and you have to try different things and find what works best for you. By the way, I have discussed this with my doc, and she said she thinks it has to do with how much fat each person is comfortable with having on their body. Looking at me, no one would ever think I need or want to lose weight. I don't have a body image problem, (I know I look good in clothes!:D )...but I know that I FEEL better without the excess fat (which I DO have) and those little deposits of jiggly fat that I have right now, don't go well with my bikini! I slipped up the last few months, and I am determined to confidently wear my bikini this summer.;)

Brenda33
February 29th, 2008, 01:18 PM
hi again.....
Updated Food Journal for Today:

Breakfast: 1 Mango Berry Muffin, 110 calories, 5 grams fiber, 2.5 grams fat, 8 grams sugar (which according to ingredients is in the form of concentrated white grape juice). This muffin is not even a little sweet.

Snack: Sickel Pear (half the size of regular Pear)

Lunch: 2 slices whole grain bread, 180 calories 10 grams fiber, 2 slices turkey, 10 dried cranberries, sprinkling of salad greens (frisee), 1 slice fat free cheese (30 calories), and a splash of balsamic.

Honestly, I am a bit full after lunch today. I don't know if its that I ate too much or that I don't feel well. I am making homemade chicken soup for dinner.

Smooth....maybe I am like you and I need less calories? I guess I will learn by trial and error. :(

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Never mind

smoothdancer
February 29th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Well Brenda, maybe it is our turn to toughen M up. 30 degrees would be great! Today with the wind chill we are at about 10 below zero here. We have 6 inches of snow predicted for tonight, so it should warm up some….. But in New England, we just go with the flow and deal with it.

Brenda, you make me laugh. You do complain and not take full advantage of all the great advice you are getting, but you keep trying and that is great… We are going to have to rename this thread Brenda’s food journal. If it works, then great!

I am in the same situation that Happy is in, 1200-1300 calories is a maintain mode for me and why it takes me so long at this point to loose any weight With only 4 pounds to go I am resolved that this will happen by burning calories at the gym and I am fine with that. For myself to drop down to a1000 calorie day just makes me feel horrible and no way can I maintain that for any length of time. I am surprised that Brenda has done it for this long.

Let’s see…. Some of my tips and tricks
I use Arnold’s bread which is 100 calories for 2 slices. I have tried all the lo- cal breads and this one is pretty good. I have a turkey or tuna sandwich
for lunch with this bread and do not feel full, just right.

Mid morning my snack is a sliced up apple which I dunk in a tablespoon of peanut butter…. Get in both a fruit and protein for about 200 calories and tastes good, but I am a peanut butter junkie. Have you tried the General Mills lo cal chocolate European coffees? Great pick me up if you want something sweet.

On the home front, I got some great news yesterday. When I had to have surgery in Mexico they did not accept US insurance and we had to pay for the whole thing by credit card which meant we could not afford a vacation this year. My husband got his annual bonus yesterday and it was quite unusual as to the amount…. It was enough to pay off the entire credit card bill so now maybe we will be going on a cruise this year… Yippee, bathing suit here I come.

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 03:28 PM
On the home front, I got some great news yesterday. When I had to have surgery in Mexico they did not accept US insurance and we had to pay for the whole thing by credit card which meant we could not afford a vacation this year. My husband got his annual bonus yesterday and it was quite unusual as to the amount…. It was enough to pay off the entire credit card bill so now maybe we will be going on a cruise this year… Yippee, bathing suit here I come.

That is excellent!! So you weren't able to file a claim with your insurance once you got back?

happysinglemom
February 29th, 2008, 03:55 PM
You know, I should add that my job is a sit-down one, I am sitting on my @ss 8 hours a day, other that going to get coffee and that sort of thing. (That is one reason I insist on spending my lunch hour at the gym. ) So this makes a big difference in what I need to eat, and someone else who is on their feet all day, or someone who is actually walking all day.

I do always take the stairs (we are on the 2nd floor) in fact I usually make people laugh because I literally run up them every morning. :p

I am home sick today with the same crud my son has had for the last 3 weeks. My nose is chapped from blowing it so much. Ugh.

Brenda33
February 29th, 2008, 04:18 PM
But I am listening! I ate a whole sandwich at lunch time today. I am trying very hard. I don't think anyone realizes that I am not just saying I want to lose weight.....I am determined to lose weight....and I am starting to try different things....like a small change in diet and even the change in exercise at Curves.

Congrats Smooth!....I hope you book a fabulous cruise!!

smoothdancer
February 29th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Yes Chi, I did file a claim once home. But I was told that since it is a foreign claim it could take up to a year for reimbursement and meanwhile the interest charges are/were growing. And then the whole claim is out of network so only 60% is covered.... Still I will be gald with what I finally get back.

Brenda I know you are tryng and that is why you make me laugh! No offense intended.

Right now I have my eyes set on a Crystal Cruise that sails from Portugal to Miami.... Looks very interesting and it is a Big Band Cruise, lots of dancing. We'll see.

Chigirlcruzin
February 29th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Yes Chi, I did file a claim once home. But I was told that since it is a foreign claim it could take up to a year for reimbursement and meanwhile the interest charges are/were growing. And then the whole claim is out of network so only 60% is covered.... Still I will be gald with what I finally get back.

Brenda I know you are tryng and that is why you make me laugh! No offense intended.

Right now I have my eyes set on a Crystal Cruise that sails from Portugal to Miami.... Looks very interesting and it is a Big Band Cruise, lots of dancing. We'll see.


I thought it might be something like that. Still, good news about the bonus! And anything you get back will be great. Plus, whatever the amount, it saved you, so you really can't put a price tag on that :)

That cruise sounds AWESOME!