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spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 10:42 AM
Well let’s see if I can make this a bit interesting…

My flight to Ft Lauderdale was scheduled to depart Toronto at 8:15am and since the airline was advising pax to be at the airport about 90 minutes prior to departure, I decided to stay the night at the hotel that is conveniently attached to the terminal I would be leaving from. This definitely saved me the trouble of leaving my house at some ungodly hour like 4am to get to Pearson International. I was flying with Skyservice, a Canadian charter airline that is operated by Conquest Vacations here in Toronto. Their Airbus service to FLL was cheap and convenient but after sitting in cramped seats with no leg room for the flight, I could easily see why the ticket wasn’t costing me an arm and a leg. Unless I am guaranteed the exit door row of seats in the future with that airline, I would never fly with them again…and if you have long legs, I wouldn’t advise it either. In the end we managed to get off the ground about an hour late but I have to admit that this was not the airline’s fault in the least. US Immigration was its usual headache and the line was backed up big time due to their lack of concern for pax who might just have a flight to catch on time. The whole US system of Immigration/Customs/Security is horrid in my opinion but I guess it all goes back to that infamous handful of Middle Easterners who got off by flying planes into tall buildings in NYC and it will more than likely get worse before it improves. Granted it doesn’t help either when the immigration officials decide to take their coffee breaks when the line of travelers is out the door either…another story for another time.

Arriving at Pier 26 was just as exciting as always, seeing the Zuiderdam parked and waiting for pax to board for a week of fun. I was set to pick up my docs at the pier and fortunately I had my booking number with me because HAL had no record that I was even scheduled to board that day. Not sure who should take the blame for that one but I suspect it should rest with HAL; my parents were supposed to have their docs sent to them prior to their Alaska cruise next week and only received them a few days ago because on HAL’s records they had noted the docs were for pier pickup. Anyway after that minor setback I boarded the ship around 2:30pm and settled into my cabin. I had stateroom 8103 on the Navigation Deck which was an A balcony room on the aft starboard side of the ship. The balcony was roomy enough but not as large as those in the totally aft A cabins and the only people who were able to look down at you were the ones from the Observation Deck, which wasn’t all that often. My room steward Nur was very efficient all week and a really nice guy to have a conversation with. He is fairly new to the Z so has until next year to head home. I guess it is fortunate that he has no wife and kids home waiting for him.

I opted out of the sailaway party at the aft pool this time and decided to just relax in the Lido pool area until dinnertime. I think it was Tatka who mentioned how hot and humid it is around that pool…and she ain’t kidding! The only opening is the roof and about the only time air circulates in there is when the ship is moving. Port days were murder. However it was interesting sitting there watching what kind of pax I would be interacting with for a week. I was surprised to run into a couple teacher friends of mine who were sailing with me; they had their daughter and in-laws with them (who paid for the cruise I might add). There was a group of teenagers on board who were always trying to pass for 18 year olds when they might have been 15; they could usually be found hogging the deck chairs, the elevators, and just about any other space they could find. Doesn’t it just tick you off when you get into the elevator on the Lido deck after a group of teenagers and find that you will now be stopping on each and every floor of the ship due to their games? I did see one of the ship’s security officers speaking with them once about running up and down the stairs so I guess it’s the same ole story with the parents not caring what their kids do. Drop them off at the nearest port I say!

I hadn’t signed up for any HAL excursions this time around but did go ashore in Cozumel for some shopping. Key West was a day to just relax around the ship and soak up some rays. We had the BBQ on Sunday evening in the Lido pool area and the deck guys were busy clearing deck chairs to make room for the set up of tables and BBQ stations starting at 3pm. A couple of women were miffed that THEIR shade was being denied to them because of this set up and they complained loud and long to anyone who would listen about being inconvenienced to the Nth degree. The guys putting away the chairs were only doing their job but they caught the brunt of this which was totally uncalled for. I told them that there was shade at the aft pool (aka - GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE) but these women said that there wasn’t enough. Please! You can bet if the BBQ had started one minute later than the scheduled 6pm that these same women would be growling about that too. Why can’t people just learn to enjoy themselves on these cruises?? :(

The one excursion that I did do was the stingray swim and island tour on Grand Cayman offered through Nativeway. This is one not to miss and anyone who will be doing the western Caribbean trip should book their day with Nativeway. It’s only $40 US for the whole thing compared to HAL’s $60+. Kirk was our driver to the turtle farm and Hell and always had a smile on his face. Eldon and Sharon, owners of Nativeway were fantastic, as was Alec our stingray guide. We were just boarding the bus to head back to the tenders after the stingrays when the skies opened up and we had a nice downpour. Fortunately it was over by the time we reached the tenders.

I had all of my breakfasts brought in through room service and all dinners in the Vista diningroom. Room service was always very prompt, arriving no more than 5 minutes after the time I checked off on the breakfast card. Dinners were nice with an adequate selection of things to choose from each night; loved the baked Alaska at the Farewell Gala on Thursday night. I had the 8:30 seating at Table 162 which was a table for four. Gus was our table steward and, like everyone has mentioned, the service was good but slower than normal. Shy was working at the table behind mine and it was interesting watching a little guy like him hustling in with a tray of twelve dinner servings without dropping one. :) My table mates were nice and friendly which made dinners all the more enjoyable.

Friday was spent at HMC in the green cabana (YAY). Mario was my cabana boy for the day (take note Lois and company! :) ) and was just great. I think he was wilting a bit from the heat and the fact that he had only 2 hours sleep from the night before, but he still managed to stick it out until the last tender. The rain started between 2:30 and 3pm and we all got soaked to the skin before boarding the tender back to the ship. It sure felt good on a hot sunburn however. Can’t wait to head back there in March for the stingrays and horses.

Disembarkation Day arrived sooner than I wanted it to and I find it’s always depressing watching Ft Lauderdale appear on the horizon in the early morning hours. However things went fairly smoothly and I was headed back to the airport by 10:30am. The lineup to get through security was nuts at the airport but we all managed to catch our flight on time to head back to Toronto.

Is it March yet???
Cheers!

doone
August 30th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Welcome home and back to reality.

Great review, I have always found that there are always a few people on all my ships that just don't want to be inconvenienced for any reason. UGH.

Half Moon Cay will have the horses in March???? Did they mention that fact while you were onboard????????? Reason I ask is one of my friends sailing with me on the Zuiderdam in March is a big horse back rider, she'd definately be interested.

Lois R
August 30th, 2004, 11:04 AM
Hi Alison:) thanks for your thoughts.....I am looking forward to my sailing......

Glad you had a good time:D

jhannah
August 30th, 2004, 11:04 AM
Why can’t people just learn to enjoy themselves on these cruises??That's a question I ask myself many times. I think some people believe they should be treated like the Queen of England once they board a cruise ship!

Sounds like you had a great time overall. Week long cruises are just too short, aren't they? Welcome back.

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 11:38 AM
That's a question I ask myself many times. I think some people believe they should be treated like the Queen of England once they board a cruise ship!

Sounds like you had a great time overall. Week long cruises are just too short, aren't they? Welcome back.

Ain't it the truth! Cruises are meant to be relaxing but hearing these people gripe and complain sure raises my tension level, even though they aren't complaining about me at all.

Week long cruises are DEFINITELY too short! They need to be outlawed. :D

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 11:41 AM
Welcome home and back to reality.

Great review, I have always found that there are always a few people on all my ships that just don't want to be inconvenienced for any reason. UGH.

Half Moon Cay will have the horses in March???? Did they mention that fact while you were onboard????????? Reason I ask is one of my friends sailing with me on the Zuiderdam in March is a big horse back rider, she'd definately be interested.

From what I understand from the girls at the excursions desk on HMC all Signature of Excellence things will be in place by March...the stingrays for sure. :D There is some kind of construction going on now where the water park will be so that should be ready too. The Hotel Manager told us at the Mariner reception that they are "breeding water horses" as we speak.

sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Welcome back, Glad you had a good time. I enjoyed reading your comments and can't wait to return to Zuiderdam in October.

sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 11:48 AM
Doone.....



According to the e-mail that went out about Westerdam's three night HMC cruise, all of the 'upgrades' to Half Moon are supposed to be completed by the very beginning of December.

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 11:53 AM
Doone.....

According to the e-mail that went out about Westerdam's three night HMC cruise, all of the 'upgrades' to Half Moon are supposed to be completed by the very beginning of December.

Have to wonder just how much these excursions are going to cost once they are activated though. :(

dst
August 30th, 2004, 11:56 AM
What a wonderful review, we had the green cabana in July and enjoyed it as well.

We had the same people on our cruise, I guess they are everywhere. To bad they couldn't put all the ungrateful people on one floor and give them all the same pool. That way the rest of us could pretend they don't exist :)

Welcome home

RevNeal
August 30th, 2004, 12:29 PM
Thanks for your review! I enjoyed reading it ... although based upon the thread title I thought it was going to be a review of the Zaandam ;) . Nevertheless, it's nice to read a positive review of the Zuiderdam. Sorry to hear about the problem at the pier, but it's good to read your advice and to always go to the pier with the booking number as well as docs (and especially so if one doesn't have the docs).

Doesn’t it just tick you off when you get into the elevator on the Lido deck after a group of teenagers and find that you will now be stopping on each and every floor of the ship due to their games?

On the Maasdam my mother, 2 of her friends, and I once caught a bunch of boys doing this. We was entering the elevator as they were leaving; I saw the board was all lit up, so I stopped in the open doorway and blocked the exit for 2 of them for long enough to, politely, tell them that if I caught them doing this again I would have ship's security "put them off the ship."

One loud-mouthed teen yelled: "NO THEY WON'T! MY DADDY WON'T LET THEM!"

That was when one of my mother's little-old-lady-friends, standing behind me, piped up and said "Who said we'll be asking your Daddy about it? I doubt he'd miss you before you were eaten by a shark."

:D

I eventually had a conversation with the security officer and he said he was aware of the problem and they had taken measures to stop it. I don't know what it is that he did, but for most of the second week aboard there were few problems ... though some of those boys avoided myself, my mother, and some of the little old ladies whom my mother runs around with (yes, together my mother and her friends make a "Blue-Haired-Biddy-Brigade.")

I did see one of the ship’s security officers speaking with them once about running up and down the stairs so I guess it’s the same ole story with the parents not caring what their kids do. Drop them off at the nearest port I say!

I say drop them off the back of the ship out in the middle of the ocean. Do it one at a time, doping the loudest and most obnoxious first, and let the others watch. That should do the trick.

doone
August 30th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the updates on the Half Moon Cay enhancements. I am just worried the horses may ruin our wonderful island!!! anyone else worried????

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 12:54 PM
Thanks for the updates on the Half Moon Cay enhancements. I am just worried the horses may ruin our wonderful island!!! anyone else worried????

Nope, not in the least. They are going to be located waaaaaaaay down at the far end of the island, away from the tenders and beach. I think they have this all well planned.

Neil - Wow your sermons must be full of hellfire and brimstone!! Feeding teenagers to the sharks is pretty drastic (but maybe necessary with some of these know-it-alls). :D You have to wonder who this punks DADDY was...the captain??? ;)

sail7seas
August 30th, 2004, 12:58 PM
His Daddy was probably busily telling the Captain how to run the ship........rather than supervising his smart mouth bratty boy. Like father/ like son.

RevNeal
August 30th, 2004, 01:02 PM
Wow your sermons must be full of hellfire and brimstone!! Feeding teenagers to the sharks is pretty drastic (but maybe necessary with some of these know-it-alls). You have to wonder who this punks DADDY was...the captain?

Naw ... my bark is worse than my bite. :D Besides ... it wasn't I who suggested feeding the kids to sharks ... one of my mom's friends said THAT! :D

jhannah
August 30th, 2004, 01:12 PM
... it wasn't I who suggested feeding the kids to sharks ... one of my mom's friends said THAT! :DJust proving that with age comes much wisdom! I would hope that she gets to toss the first one!!

ekerr19
August 30th, 2004, 01:23 PM
I did see one of the ship’s security officers speaking with them once about running up and down the stairs so I guess it’s the same ole story with the parents not caring what their kids do. Drop them off at the nearest port I say!

I guess they still have this problem with the kids hanging out - running up and down the stairwells. DH got tripped by some teens that thought it was funny sit on the floor of the satirwells and to stick their feet out as pax went by...

Alison-

Thanks for posting your review! Sounds like you had a great time.. I agree with you regarding the humidity and heat around the pool - it gets pretty stuffy in August, doesn't it?

divinggirl
August 30th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Coming down the stairs for dinner one night there were about 7 teens sitting on both sides of the stair railing, talking, and I politely asked them to move as other pax were coming down for dinner. They apologized and quickly moved, one moved so quickly he managed to slam his head quite hard on the railing, which all his friends found hilarious. That really must have hurt, but he shook it off like a trooper. I thought the kids I saw were mostly well behaved. Now their dress, especially some of the teenage girls, was questionable in some cases, but I found that tanning on the observation deck instead of the Lido enable me to get away from most of the kids at the pools. I don't have kids, but how parents can let their daughters walk around wearing practically nothing is beyond me.

RDMOREU
August 30th, 2004, 02:03 PM
My gosh, that's disgusting that those brats would try and deliberately trip someone! Somebody could very easily break some bones. I sure hope your DH was/is OK.

Dolores

dakrewser
August 30th, 2004, 02:06 PM
I thought the kids I saw were mostly well behaved. Now their dress, especially some of the teenage girls, was questionable in some cases ... I don't have kids, but how parents can let their daughters walk around wearing practically nothing is beyond me.
Now, now, I'm sure our parents' friends said much the same about us and our friends...:rolleyes:

Glad you had such a good time!

Tatka
August 30th, 2004, 02:14 PM
And...some underage drinking was going on too. Our kid is very open person and told us everything , even about him trying coniac once. (from 17 years old friend) I just wanted to mention this in case somebody worries about the possibility of their kids drinking.

Krazy Kruizers
August 30th, 2004, 02:18 PM
Thanks for posting your review.

Enjoyed reading it.

ekerr19
August 30th, 2004, 02:21 PM
My gosh, that's disgusting that those brats would try and deliberately trip someone! Somebody could very easily break some bones. I sure hope your DH was/is OK.

Dolores

Dolores-

He's pretty quick on his feet, so he was ok - he didn't actually fall, but he was pretty steamed and told them what a stupid stunt it was - they thought it was hilarious and proceeded to call him some pretty nasty names, unfortunately.

dakrewser
August 30th, 2004, 02:51 PM
DH got tripped by some teens that thought it was funny sit on the floor of the satirwells and to stick their feet out as pax went by...
Gee, if I saw someone on the floor in the stairwell, I'd "assume" they were injured and immediately notify security and the medical staff to go and assist them! That's only right, isn't it?
:rolleyes:

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 07:02 PM
His Daddy was probably busily telling the Captain how to run the ship........rather than supervising his smart mouth bratty boy. Like father/ like son.

Haven't stopped giggling over this one, S7S! :D

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Coming down the stairs for dinner one night there were about 7 teens sitting on both sides of the stair railing, talking, and I politely asked them to move as other pax were coming down for dinner. They apologized and quickly moved, one moved so quickly he managed to slam his head quite hard on the railing, which all his friends found hilarious. That really must have hurt, but he shook it off like a trooper. I thought the kids I saw were mostly well behaved. Now their dress, especially some of the teenage girls, was questionable in some cases, but I found that tanning on the observation deck instead of the Lido enable me to get away from most of the kids at the pools. I don't have kids, but how parents can let their daughters walk around wearing practically nothing is beyond me.


I saw a mother blasting her daughter one afternoon about what she was wearing (or not). Some do care I guess but those are not many.

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Dolores-

He's pretty quick on his feet, so he was ok - he didn't actually fall, but he was pretty steamed and told them what a stupid stunt it was - they thought it was hilarious and proceeded to call him some pretty nasty names, unfortunately.

At that point you should have found a security someone and reported them. It's when they think they can get away with things that they don't have any problem doing it. :(

HeatherInFlorida
August 30th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Great to read your review! Thanks for posting. I am so lucky never to have come in contact with any of these "young people" on any cruise. Granted, we've tried to time them when the "kids" are in school, but when I read this stuff it reminds me to continue to do so:D .

The sad thing is that I happen to be fortunate enough to know many outstanding young people who are not rude and obnoxious with whom I love to spend time. So when I see this kind of behavior, it upsets me more than I can even begin to describe.

spcl4cs_gal
August 30th, 2004, 09:04 PM
It's those kids who have had a good upbringing that turn out to be better adults in the end. If couples can't dedicate even 50% of their lives to their kids then they shouldn't have them to begin with.

chefajax
August 31st, 2004, 02:46 AM
HI to All....
Yes, I heard about the underage drinking by a few kids, but I found that most of them were very polite and did not cause any trouble or at least what my son has told me, who doesn't drink or smoke (unlike me). I grew up drinking at 16 (legal age in Holland), as I grew older it was nothing special by the time I could drink in this country legally.

As to the punk who tripped people, please remember that on a cruise ship, there is a JAIL. On the sea, international law applies and they can keep the kid locked up ALL night without food. Perhaps, a complaint should have been made to see if the Dutch officers would follow up on this attack, which it was. But if it was me, I'm afraid that I would be the one in jail as that kid would be in the ship's hospital. Sorry, but I have a bad temper, hate rude behavior and been in enough altercations in the Navy for me to back down :(

As to this cruise, my family enjoyed the Z and I LOVED the "suite" life. That quick service was impressive. Zip on and off, royal treatment, and best of ALL....at a price less then Princess's Mini- suite..........Dennis

HeatherInFlorida
August 31st, 2004, 09:14 AM
HI to All....
Yes, I heard about the underage drinking by a few kids, but I found that most of them were very polite and did not cause any trouble or at least what my son has told me, who doesn't drink or smoke (unlike me).
Forgive me, Dennis, but I believe that underage drinking anywhere, on land or sea, is simply unacceptable no matter how polite the kids are or the fact that they didn't cause trouble. It surprises me that you would think it was okay just because they didn't cause trouble.

ekerr19
August 31st, 2004, 11:37 AM
At that point you should have found a security someone and reported them. It's when they think they can get away with things that they don't have any problem doing it. :(
Oh, don't worry we did. It was a pretty bad scene - they had been drinking and one of the teens accused my DH of hitting him - his charge of assault didn't hold up fortunately. DH had no witnesses to support his version, but the teens all had conflicting stories.

When DH reported the teens to Ships Security, they were pretty mad about it, so they figured they'd try and get back at him. All he did was tell them in no uncertain terms what a stupid stunt it was - then to be accused of something like that - well, unfortunately it put a damper one DH's Zuiderdam experience. He is in NO hurry to get back on a ship where kids are so out of control and parents do not care and will buy liquor (as this kid's Dad did for his 16 year old) for their children.

Several of these teens were falling down drunk, it was truly a sad sight. Thankfully, we did not run into them again during that cruise.

Roboat
August 31st, 2004, 12:07 PM
If you happen to have a camera with you when kids get unruly, snap a picture. That has helped me deal with a couple of non-cruise situations. As soon as I took the pictures they left, or completely changed their attitude. As long as they think they can't be identified, they can get pretty stupid.

jhannah
August 31st, 2004, 12:33 PM
In reading through my Know Before You Go booklet last night I couldn't help but notice the paragraph that said something to the effect that parents are responsible for their minor children ... and that minor children are not to be left unsupervised on board the ship.

Too bad they apparently don't enforce this completely.

ekerr19
August 31st, 2004, 01:00 PM
Forgive me, Dennis, but I believe that underage drinking anywhere, on land or sea, is simply unacceptable no matter how polite the kids are or the fact that they didn't cause trouble. It surprises me that you would think it was okay just because they didn't cause trouble.

Heather-

I couldn't agree more! Our son just turned 16 and boy if he ever got doing anything like these kids had done - his life as he knows it, would be over. He know this too - he respects our feelings on the subject and really has no desire to drink, though some of his friends have.

I would never condone my kids drinking that young. If this makes me a fuddy duddy, oh well. It is far too easy for kids to abuse alcohol when they are young, and IMO, it leads to nothing positive.

I like your new Avatar Heather, it's a great picture! :)

RD64
September 1st, 2004, 08:47 AM
SPCSL

Were you on the Zuiderdam for March Break 2004 - we three teachers from Brampton were on as well, and hung out with hordes of other Ontario teachers. I had such a good time that I went this summer (as did you) on August 14th - the three of us want to go again this March - would like to try the Westerdam, but that is a Sunday to Sunday cruise which would be a killer for the first day back, so we may meet up with you in March. Cheers

spcl4cs_gal
September 1st, 2004, 09:36 AM
SPCSL

Were you on the Zuiderdam for March Break 2004 - we three teachers from Brampton were on as well, and hung out with hordes of other Ontario teachers. I had such a good time that I went this summer (as did you) on August 14th - the three of us want to go again this March - would like to try the Westerdam, but that is a Sunday to Sunday cruise which would be a killer for the first day back, so we may meet up with you in March. Cheers

Hey yes I was on the March Break sailing of the Zuiderdam this year and have next March all booked and ready to go as well. And here I thought it was just me who thought there were tons of Ontario teachers onboard that ship! :D Believe it or not, I was seated at a table for 8 in March and three of the ladies seated with me worked in the school system as well (two were principals!). My brother is cruising with me in March...his first in about 20 years so it'll be interesting to see his mouth drop when he sees the size of the Z. He cruised on Carnival in the past...one of their tiny ships. LOL

Keep in touch and let me know your plans once they become final. :)

chefajax
September 1st, 2004, 10:39 AM
Hold the Flames!!! I was talking that the majority of the kids were polite NOT that the kids who were drinking were polite. As to the drinking that is the parents fault!! I set a curfew for my kids and watch over them.....Dennis

divinggirl
September 1st, 2004, 10:41 AM
Thanks for clarifying Dennis, I knew what you meant!! :D

chefajax
September 1st, 2004, 10:55 AM
Thanks Nikki

darnapar
September 2nd, 2004, 02:23 PM
Not once on the cruise did I encounter kids pushing the elevator buttons. The last night or two there were a bunch on the stairs but they always moved when asked. Yes there were some kids trying to pass for 21 to drink but the bartenders seemed to be pretty diligent about checking their cards. The kids and teens overall were very well behaved on this sailing. Parents putting their babies in the pool with diapers on so that the pool had to be shut down, that happened several times. Overall I would give the cruise an -A. The only service problem we had was with the wine steward. He never even showed to our table one night and another only took half the tables order.

RD64
September 3rd, 2004, 12:23 PM
Hey Spcls

Did you book SkyService for your upcoming March Break trip? If so, are the prices reasonable? We usually book air with the cruise line. Last March we booked late, and were told that we might have to go down a day early - sick day - as it turned out, we got direct flights with Air Canada on the Saturday. Even better we got bumped into Business Class for the flight there and back. Thanks foir the info.

Rob

spcl4cs_gal
September 3rd, 2004, 12:36 PM
Hey Rob!

No the only time I have ever flown Skyservice was just last week. I have a direct flight to FLL with Air Canada in March leaving Toronto at 11:35am on the 12th and I come home on the Sunday instead of disembarkation day. I booked through Expedia and got a ticket for under $350 which was a steal for that time of the year. You might try them or travelocity.ca although I find Expedia usually can beat them. Skyservice might be ok too as a last resort. :) Good luck!