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FoxyTerrier
August 31st, 2004, 07:20 AM
I was "upgraded" to an aft cabin. Huge balcony, but NEVER AGAIN will I take that area!! The balcony was mostly open to the above decks, and it was filthy dirty every morning and evening, soaking wet, and unuseable for me, because people on the Lido deck (2 floors up) frequently tossed, dropped or otherwise lost their beer & soda cans, water bottles, and cigarettes which landed on my balcony. Almost got hit in the head twice while sittng out there. Complaints to HAL front desk provide no relief from this matter. Made the balcony virtually a waste and pissed me off greatly!!!

If you have specific questions, feel free to respond to this post or e-mail me directly at sprovo@apr.com
Suzie

I have dreamed about getting one of these aft cabins. Especially the Cat. S with the wrap around deck. We are planning a last minute cruise and one is available, but now I'm getting cold feet based on Suzie's problems. Was this an isolated thing?

Has anyone else been sorry about getting an aft stateroom? If the afts are no good what about the irregular shapped ones like - S7088 or S7087 on the Westerdam.

I'm also wondering if it would be better to be on the Rotterdam deck close to the Neptune lounge.

Thanks!!!

Joni

iowacruiser
August 31st, 2004, 09:23 AM
There have been several posts on this subject but none as bad as the one you quoted from.
Most people who have had aft suites and posted their thoughts say the flying debris and soot is not a problem.
Most of these aft suites go pretty quickly and those who have had them and posted reviews say they are great.
We have 5187 and 5186 on the Oosterdam in January and cant wait.

Shippy
August 31st, 2004, 10:02 AM
We just got back from the Zuiderdam. We had room s4185 so we were really at he bottom of those rooms ! I would book the same room again. The only real inconvinience I found was that you were far away from the Neptune lounge.
I disagree with the others about the lack of privacy on the lower balconys. Yes the design of the ship leaves them staggered over each other but there is a slight overhang. You can sit under that for privacy or shade. The side of the balcony is completely private.
We had 2 fully reclining, padded lounge chairs, A large table with 4 chairs, 2 wicker arm chairs with ottomans and a small table.
If I was laying out on a lounge chair, someone up above would have to be leaning on their railing to see me. I will take that chance.
Coincidently, that balcony right above us belonged to people at our dinner table. To talk to them from our balcony I had to go up against our railing and they had to do the same on theirs .
I think another advantage is that you ALWAYS have sun if you want it. You do not have to depend on the angle of the ship like you would if you are on the side with a full overhang.

cruznon
August 31st, 2004, 10:30 AM
WE just booked S5187 on the Oosterdam in Feb . iowacruiser, we'll follow you in this huge cabin and veranda! I've always wanted to sail this way....I'm thrilled. Have a wonderful trip....we live in san Diego, so we will probably go down to the embarcadero to watch it sail out before we go....:)
Peggy

Spot
August 31st, 2004, 11:46 AM
We are cruising next month in our first port corner aft cabin and I had the same concerns after I read that exact same review.
I'm wondering what suite that review concerned, how many unruly children where on board throwing stuff, and what kind of weather that cruise encountered - there are probably many variables that impacted her review.
I look at the situation this way - most of the time the aft cabins are the first to be reserved. to me this means that they are great cabins.
There are plenty of threads concerning aft cabins that I have read that are rave reviews - they would do most anything to have that verandah again.

Keep an open mind and understand that there might be some debris and it might be wet after a passing shower during the night but just think of the advantages of your view and the space on your verandah to do as you please:D

I'm cruising in one of those cabins next month and can hardly contain my excitement. My plan is to have the time of my life - you experience life through your own outlook.

Have fun
Deb

doone
August 31st, 2004, 11:52 AM
I booked 5187 and next door 5185 on the Zuiderdam and am looking forward to enjoying the larger balcony on the suite. We have 5 girls sailing, it should work out well and we'll have a blast.

PrincessMelody
August 31st, 2004, 12:06 PM
We are going to be in 7133 on the Zuiderdam 9/18. It is on the same deck as the Neptune, on the starboard corner. Very cool!! I can't wait to get there!! I don't sweat any of that other stuff, I'm sure it will be fine.

Melody

tommy
August 31st, 2004, 12:48 PM
We have had balconys on the very back on our last 2 cruises,and I dont have any ideal of what they are talking about.Vert little if any garbage,and privacy was not an issue,We have a CatS on the back for our Oct. sailing.If you get one you will not be sorry. TOM

Slinkiecat
August 31st, 2004, 01:01 PM
I should think that one call to your room steward about a problem such as the people directly above throwing trash down would be handled with the occupants of that room or suite. On our Mediterranean cruise, someone on our deck complained about a loud party, and our steward asked us if it had bothered us, as he was going to apologize. The offending party was dealt with quickly as soon as the complaint was lodged. Of course, that was Celebrity, but I would imagine HAL would do as well in addressing this.

slinkie

vjb223
August 31st, 2004, 01:22 PM
we are going oct. 9 and have 7133, please e-mail me and let me know how you liked it, vjb223@aol.com

FoxyTerrier
August 31st, 2004, 01:31 PM
We have had balconys on the very back on our last 2 cruises,and I dont have any ideal of what they are talking about.Vert little if any garbage,and privacy was not an issue,We have a CatS on the back for our Oct. sailing.If you get one you will not be sorry. TOM

The aft balconies are quiet different than the regular ones. They are on the 2 back corners of the ship on 4 different decks. We have had the regular ones on the side of the ship and loved every second of them, but to have a wrap around balcony seems over the top. The original poster complained about water and trash being dropped or blown down from the Lido pool area.

PrincessMelody
August 31st, 2004, 01:35 PM
Vjb, I would be happy to email you about the cabin. I am sure it will be wonderful!

Melody

ekerr19
August 31st, 2004, 01:43 PM
The aft balconies are quiet different than the regular ones. They are on the 2 back corners of the ship on 4 different decks. We have had the regular ones on the side of the ship and loved every second of them, but to have a wrap around balcony seems over the top. The original poster complained about water and trash being dropped or blown down from the Lido pool area.

I've also heard of this problem. Our TA said she had some clients who actually had a lounge chair from the Lido end up on their balcony. :eek:

We were going to one of these cabins for the x-tra large balcony, but ended up booking a Suite closer to the concierge lounge instead. It was nice, but lots of folks carried on conversations right outside our door, as it was just across from the entrance to the lounge. :)

bepsf
August 31st, 2004, 01:47 PM
Shippy--

I have the same suite reserved for my '05 Alaska cruise on Oosterdam.
Do you have pix of your suite? How is the partition to the adjoining stateroom on the side? (we have friends booked into that one) Is 4185 the same interior layout as the one on 5?

Would you have preferred to be in a corner suite higher up?

I scoped out the corner-aft suite above on Deck 5 before we left the ship and 4185 looked to have the most privacy of all the corner suites (not that that's gonna be an issue in Alaska - or that I really care about privacy....)

Spot
August 31st, 2004, 01:53 PM
I found it curios that this poster was given a tremendous upgrade and still had so much to complain about.
I'm certain if they had talked with others in side suites that someone surely would have taken that huge verandah "nightmare" from them without thinking twice.

Sail7Seas made a comment on another thread that he suspects there might be mystery posters that do nothing but post negative comments - IMO this might help explain the vast differences in experiences on the same cruise.

To Each His/Her Own.
I'm staying in one of those dream port side aft cabins and I WILL HAVE A GREAT TIME!

Deb

viennacruiser
August 31st, 2004, 02:44 PM
We have S5186 booked on the Zuid for March and am really looking forward to a large Verandah..I will not have to worry about a chair at the pool.
Nancy

dakrewser
August 31st, 2004, 02:51 PM
I found it curios that this poster was given a tremendous upgrade and still had so much to complain about.
What's "tremendous" about trash almost hitting you on the head?

I'm certain if they had talked with others in side suites that someone surely would have taken that huge verandah "nightmare" from them without thinking twice.Why? Do you suppose the people in the other suites were looking for the opportunity to get hit in the head?

Sail7Seas made a comment on another thread that he suspects there might be mystery posters that do nothing but post negative comments - IMO this might help explain the vast differences in experiences on the same cruise.Or, its possible different people have different experiences. SusieQue is an actual person, as a visit to her web site will show, not some anonymous one-time-poster out to trash something.

I'm staying in one of those dream port side aft cabins and I WILL HAVE A GREAT TIME!
While I do hope you do have a great time, I would be very interested in your review when you get back.

digby
August 31st, 2004, 03:39 PM
"I have dreamed about getting one of these aft cabins. Especially the Cat. S with the wrap around deck."

I had one of these on the new Westerdam in May, and it was wonderful! The deck was HUGE and very usuable. We were on deck 7 and there was enough of an over-hang from deck 8 to provide privacy when wanted. There was some soot from time to time, but nothing bad enough for me to not want the same cabin again. When other decks were unusuable because of wind, we were protected.

Spot
August 31st, 2004, 04:31 PM
dakrewser - "tremendous" was the upgrade, not someone getting hit in the head with trash. I believe you are taking my posts out of context as an earlier post said the following:
"I'm wondering what suite that review concerned, how many unruly children where on board throwing stuff, and what kind of weather that cruise encountered - there are probably many variables that impacted her review"
Different cruisers do have different views and that is why each person should make his/her own decisions based on the information provided, taking into account the number of opinions pro/con on any given topic matter.

I made the decision (based on many, many positive reviews) to reserve a port side aft cabin and I will live with and enjoy the pros/cons of my decision and I will write a review of my decision when I return.

Deb

Jacqueline
August 31st, 2004, 10:34 PM
She is a real person who did have this happen during our 7/30 Westerdam sailing. Its the kind of problem that there is really no solution for. I dont think she got a tremendous upgrade. Just an aft balcony CABIN not suite.
All I can say is that I had a huge wraparound suite on the tahitian princess which was also open to higher decks - other people had soot, I had none.I guess I live a charmed life !
Its one of those things that is a possible trade off against an aft view. I love the aft view. I think if you can accept the fact that some stuff may find its way onto your deck, then you will be fine. I had a guy constantly smoking a cigar in the the SS suite next to mine on this same cruise (we were not aft ). I decided early on that I was going to live with it and that it would not bother me. The only thing that I truly CANNOT deal with on a ship is any NOISE. I live on 6 acres on a quiet country road (dirt) and am accustomed to total silence at night.
I will say I was much happier with HAL than SUzie was and had a better time- she prefers Celebrity and Princess.
My oldesnt and youngest kids meanwhile are pestering me to go back on the WESTERDAM over spring break. THey loved the friendly staff and great food. My teen prefers Celebrity as did most of them, on our cruise.Better teen center- more for them to do.

psramsey
August 31st, 2004, 11:13 PM
There have been several posts on this subject but none as bad as the one you quoted from.
Most people who have had aft suites and posted their thoughts say the flying debris and soot is not a problem.
Most of these aft suites go pretty quickly and those who have had them and posted reviews say they are great.
We have 5187 and 5186 on the Oosterdam in January and cant wait.

Hi,
We also have 5186 booked on the OOsterdam in January. We are sailing on the 9th Panama Canal. This will be our first aft cabin on Holland America. We had an aft on Celebrity. It was great!

Shippy
September 1st, 2004, 10:08 AM
Shippy--

I have the same suite reserved for my '05 Alaska cruise on Oosterdam.
Do you have pix of your suite? How is the partition to the adjoining stateroom on the side? (we have friends booked into that one) Is 4185 the same interior layout as the one on 5?

Would you have preferred to be in a corner suite higher up?

I scoped out the corner-aft suite above on Deck 5 before we left the ship and 4185 looked to have the most privacy of all the corner suites (not that that's gonna be an issue in Alaska - or that I really care about privacy....)

I would book the same cabin again. I liked the idea of being able to look up at the rest of the decks if I choose. Being on the lowest one also put you closest to the water. I know that is hard to explain but you are not looking down on other decks, just the ocean. Awesome.
We actually had a party in the room right above us on the last night. The room and deck were identicle to ours.It was interesting to look down on to our deck and the adjoining one. That is how I know how private our deck really is.
There is a solid partition between you and the next room. I think only the cabin steward can open it. That balcony on that room appeared very small. Only 2 regular chairs and a table.
One thing to remember is that the trade off for these gigantic decks is some sacrifice of the overall square footage in your room.
I do not consider these rooms to be actual suites...just large rooms. We had a couch, then coffee table then not much room until the bed. In the S catagory on the sides of the ship there was a lot more room between the couch and the bed.
The bathroom is definitly a suite bathroom. Most awesome I have seen on a ship with a small dressing room right before it.
The overall storage is tremendous and we even had locking nightstands!
ENJOY

iluvcruzin
September 1st, 2004, 12:11 PM
I sailed with some friends who had a corner aft once. I liked it so well that when the opportunity came, I booked one. I have a portside corner aft on the Mariner booked for next year. I booked this 1 1/2 years in advance. Within a couple weeks the whole back aft was booked up. I believe many love the experience of sitting on the balcony watching the wake on sea days.

bepsf
September 1st, 2004, 01:22 PM
I do not consider these rooms to be actual suites...just large rooms. We had a couch, then coffee table then not much room until the bed. In the S catagory on the sides of the ship there was a lot more room between the couch and the bed.

ENJOY

Thanks Shippy!
I was in an SS8086 for my first cruise on the 'O-Dam' and I was perfectly content w/ the interior space and appointments - I only booked S4185 for Alaska so I could get my own uncrowded deck for the scenery both coming and going - sounds like it was a good choice!

Only:
11 Days to Amsterdam
367 Days to Oosterdam

Candy
September 1st, 2004, 03:28 PM
We were in 7087 and loved it! The veranda is irregular and kind of cramped, even though it has a table & 4 chairs and two chairs with ottomans (no room for loungers).

The 6167 veranda was easily 4 times bigger, but the cabin was slightly smaller (I don't know if it was because of the location or the handicap adjustments). We attended a party in a corner Cat S, and we saw that we had more room than 7087. You will be happy with either location, but if you have friends to entertain (don't forget about the free hors d'oeuvres & invitations), the wake cabin will be much better.

7087 is closer to the lounge than the wake cabins, but I'd personally rather have the huge veranda and walk (or ride) the distance to the lounge.

There was no trash or soot at any time during our cruise. Our November Zuidy will be in a Cat A wake cabin. Guess we're hooked!

I have dreamed about getting one of these aft cabins. Especially the Cat. S with the wrap around deck. We are planning a last minute cruise and one is available, but now I'm getting cold feet based on Suzie's problems. Was this an isolated thing?

Has anyone else been sorry about getting an aft stateroom? If the afts are no good what about the irregular shapped ones like - S7088 or S7087 on the Westerdam.

I'm also wondering if it would be better to be on the Rotterdam deck close to the Neptune lounge.

Thanks!!! Joni

chefajax
September 1st, 2004, 11:04 PM
Back from the Z........
We had cabin S5186. We loved that huge Balcony. When we needed shade that side part was excellant. The large balcony was 75% exposed to the public in the front, but we felt very comfortable and became friends with the cabin below us :). Loved that chilled champagne and warm breeze while watching the Carib's blue water in front.
If there was one flaw to be told, it was that the drains couldn't remove the water due to their placement. No big deal and easily overlooked...ENJOY!!!!!.....Dennis

srpilo
September 1st, 2004, 11:46 PM
I've booked a regular "A" Aft cabin.. #7129, has anybody sail in #7129 or have any specific info about the balcony furnishings of the rear "A"'s.. Just curious..

Thanks..
Srpilo

suzieque
September 2nd, 2004, 11:04 AM
Hi all,
Just thought I'd post to clarify my position on aft cabins (not suites). We were in an aft cabin on the Rotterdam deck (deck 7) on the Westerdam. The ship was lovely. The itinerary was awesome. The bedding was elegant. The food was decent. The Indonesian crew were fabulous. The regular staff were cordial, but not as warm and friendly in my opinion as Celebrity & Princess staffs. The balcony was the only major drawback as it was always dirty, wet in the mornings, and I kept dodging cans bottles and debris coming down from the Lido deck.
My comments are not negative about the cruise, just about how I would never take an aft cabin that had an open balcony!!

I am booked next on a regular balcony cabin on the Pacific Princess Beijing to Bangkok :-)
I will cruise again on a Vista class ship with HAL if I find an itinerary I want to go on!!
Hugs to all my new HAL friends,
Suzie

Jimbo and Katy
September 7th, 2004, 10:52 PM
We have S5186 booked on the Zuid for March and am really looking forward to a large Verandah..I will not have to worry about a chair at the pool.
Nancy

Nancy,
We are also booked in the S5186 for March 26th. When is your cruise? Take good care of our cabin until we can get there. Have you been able to find any pictures of this cabin? We were in an SS on the Oosterdam in April. Had a decent size balcony on the side, but are really looking forward to this one on the back.
Someone said something about free hors d'oeuvres & invitations. Is that included in the S's? We may just have to have a party!

Thanks,
Katy

viennacruiser
September 8th, 2004, 08:08 PM
Katy,
We are booked the week before :D , I promise to take good care of it for you:)
I have not seen any pictures but read that you could fit 50 people on the balcony, :eek:
I have heard that you get d'oeuvres...I may never have to leave my cabin
Certainly never have to fight for a chair by the pool.:D
Nancy

Spot
September 9th, 2004, 12:43 AM
Suzie,
I don't know you but there sure was some scuttle about what I said - it was not a personal attack just an observation and I'm sorry if my words were insensitive and hurt you, please forgive me.
I'm sorry your experience in the aft cabin was a bad one.

iowacruiser
September 9th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Katy,

I have seen pictures of 5186 on Oosterdam posted on this site in the past few weeks. Do a search of aft suites/Oosterdam and I think you'll find them. There are several pictures of the balcony and a few of the cabin.

suzieque
September 9th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Deb,
No real offense taken. I am a real person, though, who loves to cruise and I have a wonderful time on each and every cruise. Pointing out a negative experience due to the layout of a cabin's balcony might help another cruiser when making a decision as to cabin choice. Certain decks at the aft are not open to the floor above. Deck 7 is exposed. FYI, if you check the posts I have written and replied to, you will find I try to be very helpful and nice to everyone on this board.
Best Regards,
Suzie

Jimbo and Katy
September 9th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Nancy,
Thanks for taking good care of the cabin for us. We will think of the poor people before us that will now be at home while we are lounging on our huge balcony. Ha!

IowaCruiser,
Thanks for the tip. I will try that now.

This board is great!

Katy

viennacruiser
September 9th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Katy,
Let me know if you find those pictures:) ..Yes, you will be enjoying my suite when I am home,:( but I have a cruise in August booked to help dull the pain:D :D ..
Nancy

artvlay
September 17th, 2004, 08:59 PM
Hi SHIPPY

We are in cabin 4183, AFT next to yours, HAL said this is a large balcony that goes over towards your cabin. Any info to share? Thanks