Is anyone else offended?

[CowPrincess]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

[cccole]

I think that the questions as to whether HAL is just for older passengers comes from all of the negative comments regarding families and young passengers. And...I questioned my decision to cruise with 3 teenagers last February because of these negative comments. I think that others on this site have nailed it.....don't put everyone of a particular age in a particular behavior or activity category. There are those that would prefer HAL to be for adults only (regardless of their behavior) and those that are happy to be among a diverse group of well behaved, fun loving passengers (no matter what their age.)

We loved our HAL cruise, but it was also during a week in February when passengers who do not want to be around children and young adults do not cruise.

Cherie

[cf_chuck]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

No, doesn't bother me.

There's a widely distributed perception that HAL is skewed toward a more mature (older) set of passengers. The only way I know of addressing this perception is with personal testimonials, such as what happens here.

Simply because the perception exists doesn't make it fact. And frankly, none of us has the requisite data to allow someone else to make up their mind because HAL doesn't publish it.

So I figure it isn't my problem that the perception exists and if the existence of the perception is something that someone wants to turn around, I look to HAL to step to the plate.

But, along the lines you posted, there is a term and it's "age discrimination".

[jhannah]

What those who criticize "old people" fail to realize is that they wouldn't be here without them! Those "old people" fought for their freedoms and worked their tails off so the new generation could have things better than they did. Besides, those "old people" are well-traveled, articulate, and can regale you with stories that warm your heart.

Offended? Not so much as full of pity for those who don't realize who brung them to the dance!

[lvtotrvl1]

As an agent for over 13 years, and having parents who have cruised HAL long ago...the perception that HAL is for older people is a hard one to get rid of....Have worked with the reps for HAL for years and they train agents on the "new " HAL , but the perception is still there. I wouldn't take offense to it at all...HAL used to be mainly for an older crowd....I agree it is not any longer, but it will take a while for it to change....and by the way...I am getting to the older crowd age:) ....

[cccole]

As an agent for over 13 years, and having parents who have cruised HAL long ago...the perception that HAL is for older people is a hard one to get rid of....Have worked with the reps for HAL for years and they train agents on the "new " HAL , but the perception is still there. I wouldn't take offense to it at all...HAL used to be mainly for an older crowd....I agree it is not any longer, but it will take a while for it to change....and by the way...I am getting to the older crowd age:) ....

I am also "getting to the older crowd age" but when you say it will take a while for it to change is one of the main problems expressed on this board. I personally like to live in and travel in a diverse age group....but as you can read there are many on this board who would prefer not to have a younger crowd on-board.

I take offense at the comment that we need to remember who made it possible for us to travel on HAL. Everyone's situation and family history is different. My preference is to travel with a very diverse group......and we would not choose HAL if we wanted a stuffy old crowd. There is the stuffy old crowd everywhere and you just have to let them behave the way they want to, sometimes totally disregarding their fellow travelers.

Cherie

[TCF]

There is no doubt that there exists the perception that HAL attracts "older" people...and that's OK with me if it discourages rude, ignorant, out-of-control individuals from looking for accomodation on the same ship I am on.

We cruise HAL because the passengers tend to be fifty and older, are better educated, are not rude, are well traveled and interesting conversationalists, have broad cultural attitudes and generally make for great travel companions!

So if the perception that HAL is for "old people" insures that we will continue to have the cruise experience we desire and seek....then come on "old people"!!

[michmike]

We (4 of us from 58 to closing in on 61) always bring our Margaritaville "growing older, but not UP!" shirts to fight this rap... not to mention the screaming, flying monkeys, rubber chickens and burger king crowns. Don't have to be a kid to act like one. *S*

Our favorite dinner companions in 7 HAL cruises have been a couple who were 91 and 90 and still full of life, laughter and adventure.

I agree though, if it keeps the families and kids at bay, then do all you can to promote the fact that HAL is indeed for old farts.

Personally I think it's great that those with some physical limitations (walkers, canes, scooters) still have the gumption and drive to get out and travel rather than sit home and feel sorry for themselves.

Those that don't want to be around us AARPers always have a home on Carnival or RC.

[simplelife]

Does the fact that we resent being called "old" reveal that we ourselves think of aging as negative?:confused:

[cccole]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could exclude "rude, ignorant, out-of control individuals," no matter what their age? In our travels we are always amazed at the rude, out-of-control behavior exhibited by older travelers. I always tell my children that if I ever behave like that they should shoot me. Age gives no one the right to behave horribly. Cherie

[simplelife]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could exclude "rude, ignorant, out-of control individuals," no matter what their age? In our travels we are always amazed at the rude, out-of-control behavior exhibited by older travelers. I always tell my children that if I ever behave like that they should shoot me. Age gives no one the right to behave horribly. Cherie
I have seen rudeness from all age levels. When traveliing with a large majority of a particular age group. it is statistically more likely that you will encounter rudeness from more people that age level. It is also statistically more likely that the nicest people you will meet are also from that age level.

I imagine that the "older" people who are not nice weren't nice when they were younger either.

[HamOp]

Does the fact that we resent being called "old" reveal that we ourselves think of aging as negative?:confused:

Being "old" is a badge of honor. It means I didn't die young. (And I've got a few years to 60 yet):D

[Artanis]

I have always associated "old" with "better" and have always had much older friends since my teens. My favorite fellow pax were on HAL.

People clumping people together for stereotype = ignorant because they just don't know any better and may be more sheltered and narrow-minded than others.

To try to put it in perspective: Listen in on any breakroom in any-workplace-anywhere and just cringe when one of the people leaves her "buddies" to "chat" amongst themselves.:eek:

Now that's offensive because it's usually downright personal. (I get offended whenever my critical sister opens her mouth because it's always personal.)

Something will always offend somebody somewhere - no matter what, but it's over the top these days. People are looking to be offended, IMO. (Not directed at the OP, just society in general.)

The most mundane things are now distorted and blown up whenever someone blurts out something that sounds stupid. It's a wonder Late Night Shows are still allowed on air -- especially with all those children of politicians and celebrities out there who have to face the music in school... NOTHING more cruel than kids out there !! :cool:
Our skin is mighty thin these days (care to hear some of the names we were called in school in the '70s?? Their parents and the schools would be sued [I]and then some [I] these days. No more teaching "Sticks and Stones"! :eek:
;)

[cccole]

Cow Princess - I apologize for getting a bit off topic. But I am in the
AARP age group and travel with a huge range in ages....from 16-85. I have not taken offense to criticism of the older group on HAL cruises but have taken offense to the attacks against families, children, and young adults.

Just my opinion....I am very comfortable with my age and have no need to ask others to limit their activities because I am at a different stage in my life. We have never had a bad cruise and always come away with wonderful memories and friends (including or HAL cruise.) Cherie

[cf_chuck]

Age gives no one the right to behave horribly. Cherie

I agree, but the US Constitution does (within bounds).:)

[cccole]

I have seen rudeness from all age levels. When traveliing with a large majority of a particular age group. it is statistically more likely that you will encounter rudeness from more people that age level. It is also statistically more likely that the nicest people you will meet are also from that age level.

I imagine that the "older" people who are not nice weren't nice when they were younger either.

You're right. If someone does not learn to be a nice person when they are young the probably will not change. When we were in Africa this summer some of my children's favorite stories were from elders in the places we travelled and worked. Cherie

[hammybee]

There have been a number of posts that have been disparaging of old people, children, parents, fat people, people who shop at Walmart, people who dine at Denny's, slobs and snobs.......

I can't control what other people think or do.

[cccole]

I agree, but the US Constitution does (within bounds).:)

Thank you....I stand corrected "within bounds.":) Cherie

[pipedreams62]

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[cf_chuck]

I imagine that the "older" people who are not nice weren't nice when they were younger either.

I can imagine a number of reasons for this behavior. I would rank your imagining as lower on my list. Health and physical well being would be my toprunners.

[Travalerie]

I agree that it is unfortunate that people come across as offensive with their comments about older passengers. People are also the same way about cruisers who travel with kids!!!

[Oceanwench]

There have been a number of posts that have been disparaging of old people, children, parents, fat people, people who shop at Walmart, people who dine at Denny's, slobs and snobs.......

I can't control what other people think or do.

If everyone thought that way, we wouldn't have many threads!!!
[Dress codes, tipping, as you wish dining, smuggling alcohol, babies in pools, etc.]

[cccole]

I can imagine a number of reasons for this behavior. I would rank your imagining as lower on my list. Health and physical well being would be my toprunners.

"Health and physical well being" could be reasons for every passengers' behavior, including children. I just don't think it is o.k. to say that because someone is of a certain age their behavior is acceptable. Being rude and obnoxious is not o.k. at any age. Cherie

[norcal2]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

For whatever it is worth I think each line has some form of "perceived" negative leveled at them. In the case of HAL I think that particular question, no matter if they are correct or not, is probably a sincere question about whether they made a mistake. To be cited as a negative is the worse kind of discrimination but I do think most are concerned that they may not fit with a ship they are considering. In some ways I think the clash of old with new trends in cruising may inadvertently leave that impression of "older" as a negative and one of the first things I noticed here is that unlike many sites, this site has a boatload of traditionalists of all ages who have expectations they expect to have met. It can be overwhelming for a new visitor here at first, trust me on that. Work with me on this conclusion: In a way HAL set this disconnect up by being so traditional and focused on quality that set ageless expectations. See there is always something good...

and someone to blame. :rolleyes:

[lorekauf]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.
There are always a lot of posts on here saying the same thing. The poster you are referring to was extremely rude and a lot of us were offended and told the poster that. This poster has started several threads since along the same theme. Seems like a troll to me. If I would have been you I would have pushed that magic red triangle.

[tennisobo]

Michmike says: I agree though, if it keeps the families and kids at bay, then do all you can to promote the fact that HAL is indeed for old farts.

I say: It sounds like Michmike (and others) are speaking negatively about families and kids. Is that what he meant? I doubt it. But it points out how easy it is to see a slur against a particular group when no slur was intended.

Some people may be trying to find out if HAL is more for older cruisers because they see that as a negative. Or maybe they are just looking to find out what kind of cruise experience they can expect on HAL. For instance: If you were a cruiser who really enjoyed the crazy pool games and a disco that rocks until 3:00 in the morning as offered on some lines, HAL might be a poor cruise choice.

If I wanted a quiet, romantic cruise I would not choose a Disney cruise. It doesn't mean I don't like children. I'm a teacher. Maybe I would rather choose a cruise with as few children as possible. That is not denigrating anyone, is it?

The main problem with message boards is that they are not face-to-face interaction. No tone of voice or facial expression is possible and it is very easy to be misunderstood. Some people are not as nice as others. That includes people who visit these message boards. If someone is being outright nasty it's easy to report an inappropriate post. Otherwise, if anyone dislikes a post there is the obvious choice of ignoring and forgetting it.

[Krazy Kruizers]

I have learned to ignore the posts about "WE" older people as are among them.

[mr green]

A person can take any segment of cruisers, be they old, young, fat, tall, or sky blue pink, and find a person who is offensive.
My point is this, pleasant people will be liked, even if they are only thee feet tall, while unpleasant people will be disliked, even if they look like Mr or Mrs Universe. There are good people and bad people, and they will be located in all segments of society.
I am in my mid 70's, so, am I a good cruiser, or one to be avoided?

john

[cf_chuck]

"Health and physical well being" could be reasons for every passengers' behavior, including children. I just don't think it is o.k. to say that because someone is of a certain age their behavior is acceptable. Being rude and obnoxious is not o.k. at any age. Cherie

You seem to have missed the context of my comment. The context was that those of age that are not nice were likely not nice when they were younger. I simply offered another opinion as to the possible reason, which you seem to agree with to some extent.

I did not state nor did my post imply that I thought it was OK for anyone to be rude or obnoxious. Nor do I intend to make a point here about what constitutes rude or obnoxious behavior.

[mamaofami]

The alternative to getting older isn't one I want. :eek:

[cccole]

You seem to have missed the context of my comment. The context was that those of age that are not nice were likely not nice when they were younger. I simply offered another opinion as to the possible reason, which you seem to agree with to some extent.

I did not state nor did my post imply that I thought it was OK for anyone to be rude or obnoxious. Nor do I intend to make a point here about what constitutes rude or obnoxious behavior.


I did not miss the context of your comment. In my opinion the reasons at the top of your list as to why older passengers might act inappropriately applies to all ages. In my opinion older passengers do not get a pass on behavior because of their age. And I agree with Simplelife regarding the behavior of seniors....they were probably not nice as young people.

My opinion is that age is not a right to be rude and obnoxious. That is MY opinion. Cherie

[babyher]

I did not miss the context of your comment. In my opinion the reasons at the top of your list as to why older passengers might act inappropriately applies to all ages. In my opinion older passengers do not get a pass on behavior because of their age. And I agree with Simplelife regarding the behavior of seniors....they were probably not nice as young people.

My opinion is that age is not a right to be rude and obnoxious. That is MY opinion. Cherie

Cherie

My Mom will be the youngest 85 I have ever met on Sept 10
She is one of the biggest senior bashers I know *LOL*

She says "Don't come to the senior meetings if you are gonna bellyache about all your aches and pains, I have them too and I try and forget them, I sure don't want to hear about yours" *LOL*

Rudeness at any age is not acceptable, Your age , health, background whatever doesn't give you the right to spew on everyone you meet the rest of your life.

[BrianTom]

I think it is not really about the "old people" but rather the atmosphere a ship has when it has a higher percentage of people that are not partying. When a ship has an older crowd it tends to me more sedate. For example, Carnival usually has a younger crowd and it is known as the Fun Ships with more of a party atmosphere. HAL has a reputation for being elegant, calm and sedate and people tend to blame it on as being an older crowd. It may be true. I know I was on a 10 day Princess to the Panama Canal and I was in my late 30's and there were not many people my age on the ship. Was it a coincidence that there was not much of a night life? Perhaps, but I know the older I get the less interested I am in a night life. I think people are figuring if it is an older crowd it will not have a party atmosphere and then use old to categorize it.

IMHO

[the_dylaness]

I don't hang out on the HAL boards too much, but I've noticed this too.

I wonder (trying to give the benefit of the doubt here) if by "old people" people are using a very unfortunate misnomer and grouping all older folks into a sad group, when what they're actually trying to ask is "Is HAL full of boring, cantankerous, cranky, can't-be-pleased people who go to bed early?" It seems that people automatically translate this to "old" (which is mcuh easier to type"... seems they don't realize that many older folks are often the life of the party whereas plenty of younger people suit this description to a T!

We're looking forward to a little bit older contingent on HAL; we're a little tired of rudeness, boisterousness, and are hoping to sail with a more genteel, interesting crowd.

[babyher]

I think it is not really about the "old people" but rather the atmosphere a ship has when it has a higher percentage of people that are not partying. When a ship has an older crowd it tends to me more sedate. For example, Carnival usually has a younger crowd and it is known as the Fun Ships with more of a party atmosphere. HAL has a reputation for being elegant, calm and sedate and people tend to blame it on as being an older crowd. It may be true. I know I was on a 10 day Princess to the Panama Canal and I was in my late 30's and there were not many people my age on the ship. Was it a coincidence that there was not much of a night life? Perhaps, but I know the older I get the less interested I am in a night life. I think people are figuring if it is an older crowd it will not have a party atmosphere and then use old to categorize it.

IMHO


Very well said :)

[kalliekae]

I am at a different stage in my life. We have never had a bad cruise and always come away with wonderful memories and friends (including or HAL cruise.) Cherie


Ahhh....this is what I taught my children. Everyone is at a different stage in life and should be respected as such. Old vs. young is ridiculous! I know 70 year olds who were old at 40 and 86 year olds who are still traveling on HAL and enjoying every second of their lives. Live and let live and happy cruisin' to all!!!:)

[cccole]

Cherie

My Mom will be the youngest 85 I have ever met on Sept 10
She is one of the biggest senior bashers I know *LOL*

She says "Don't come to the senior meetings if you are gonna bellyache about all your aches and pains, I have them too and I try and forget them, I sure don't want to hear about yours" *LOL*

Rudeness at any age is not acceptable, Your age , health, background whatever doesn't give you the right to spew on everyone you meet the rest of your life.

Your mom sounds just like mine. Unfortunately my mom did not make it to 85 but she was a lot of fun and had the same attitude. Your post brought a smile to my face.

Cherie

[pipedreams62]

I'll take the job!


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[babyher]

Your mom sounds just like mine. Unfortunately my mom did not make it to 85 but she was a lot of fun and had the same attitude. Your post brought a smile to my face.

Cherie


We are lucky to have had them for sure.

I am 45 but I love sitting and talking with seniors. Like Jim said they are full of wonderful stories. And the best part they come from a time when when there was no such animal as Political Correctness so they tell a story no holds barred *LOL*

I still have the image of my buddies grandfather explaining the origin of the saying "In Like Flynn" *LOL*

[hammybee]

If everyone thought that way, we wouldn't have many threads!!!
[Dress codes, tipping, as you wish dining, smuggling alcohol, babies in pools, etc.]

:D:D :D

[sidonia]

I am in total agreement with your feelings re older people being fair game for discrimination. Another group which has no politically correct protection is the overweight.
On the other hand, as a person in her 60's about to go on her third HAL cruise, I would prefer to be with adults than with out of control younger people and noisy kids (I am a child psychologist - don't need tantrums on my holiday). So - if this keeps the crib set at bay - fine. :-) Sidonia




Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

[swscruiser]

Hi all,
On our last HAL cruise, we we in our middle 40's. Our tablemates (4top), were in their 90's, and they were on their Honeymoon.:D We had one of the best times we've had at dinner. They were a hoot! BTW She said she had brought with her 35 pairs of shoes!!!!

Keit

[RuthC]

I'm old enough not to be offended by such questions. I take it in stride; at my age I have lots of other things to get upset about.

If it's important to the poster that he/she not sail with people of a certain age, then I'm fine with that poster getting the information he/she needs.

We should all enjoy our cruises in whatever way is best for us.

[iceman93]

I just love how some of those who are offended at being referred to in any way as "old" are more than willing to disparage the young. :rolleyes:

[babyher]

Hi all,
On our last HAL cruise, we we in our middle 40's. Our tablemates (4top), were in their 90's, and they were on their Honeymoon.:D We had one of the best times we've had at dinner. They were a hoot! BTW She said she had brought with her 35 pairs of shoes!!!!

Keit


Wow !!!!
For a woman on her honeymoon, she sure was expecting to be on her feet a lot *LOL*

[JimVrhovac]

We need to be nice to the younger generation and our kids

REMEMBER

They are the ones that will pick our Nursing Home

Ruth & Jim

[coho ken]

We'll help skew the demographics (a couple of 40 something and a couple of teenagers) for HAL by looking forward to a relaxing family cruise in March. Less than 2000 passengers on the Westerdam will be a breath of fresh air!

[babyher]

We need to be nice to the younger generation and our kids

REMEMBER

They are the ones that will pick our Nursing Home

Ruth & Jim


That is very true :)

My DW teases my daughter all the time that the 2 of them will end up like the old ladies in "Grey Gardens ". Two crazy old ladies living in wall to wall filth in a dilapidated old house with a bunch of cats. *LOL*

My daughter just shudders and looks at me.

I say "Don't look at me, I'll be long dead by that time :)

[PathfinderEss]

What poster imply about Hal's age group is so interesting. I guess I can presume these poster are in let say their 30 to 50 age group, well you youngster if your really, really lucky and I mean really lucky you'll be the old people that some one else is talking about very shortly so watch what you say.

[Sundagger]

I've noticed that on the HAL board, the posts about age are generally respectful - genuinely asking for information. On other CC boards, the comments are much oftener rude and insulting. These posts are rarely countered, so they perpetuate the age stereotype of HAL cruisers.

I've asked myself what gives the people who HAVE cruised on HAL the impression that "it's a floating nursing home". I think often it is that the oldest cruisers are the ones who move slowly and frequently have canes, walkers, scooters and wheelchairs. They are most noticeable and HAL probably does have a higher percentage of them because of so many long-time HAL devotees who don't want to cruise on another line. [Fortunately] there aren't a lot of very young, very active cruisers on HAL who want to be entertained 18 hours a day. I think the middle ground between these groups is where the truth lies about HAL's typical passenger.

I'm 67, but recently retired from a fast-paced, high tech job. It is still somewhat difficult for me to be patient with the older seniors who occasionally "zone out" when standing in a buffet line. Also, as we age, it becomes more difficult to mentally "multi-task" - if we are standing, talking to someone we just may not notice people who want to get past us in a hallway or some similar situation. This can lead to misunderstandings - people get impatient and go around someone seemingly not about to move. Then that person gets irritated about the "pushy" people. This problem is probably thousands of years old.

[Sundagger]

And for my 1,000th post, I will point out that I work out at the gym several times a week and am in the best physical condition of the past 25 years.:D :D :D

[m steve]

As an older person myself but definately not infirmed I find that many passengers, especially those with either motor scooters or baby strollers seem to block the elevators and the doors close before boarding passengers can get on once the blockers move out of the way. I suggest that the timing be extended. You can always push the button to close the doors if no one is waiting.

[Akheila]

I don't care what are any of you are...if you amuse me and we can have fun fantastic, if not then We will make our own fun! I have been annoyed by families and seniors. I can't discriminate at all in this regard.
We haven't cruised othe lines. and are afraid to...our TA referred to another line as the white trash of cruising :eek: . we had a great experience on HAL, and hope to again this winter. DH (32) and I (33) just get frustrated by rude and inconsiderate people. we were at a poolside once and a family was there eating in the pool and making a huge mess, then they just got up and walked away. It was all I could do to keep dh from getting up and saying something to them.

Sorry to the "seniors" I don't have a problem with you guys...I have more of a problem with inconsiderate smokers!

[Willsot]

DW and I had our first HAL cruise at 50. One thing we have enjoyed most has been when we are seated at dining room breakfasts and lunches with many of the oldest HAL cruisers, our WWII veterans. Sadly, the frequency of these experiences have obviously declined over the past eight years. For us, it has always been an honor to have the opportunity to learn from these heroes and to thank them.

[agabbymama]

I don't look at it as discrimination, I worked long and hard to get to 62. I'm honored to be in that "older" category, and just hope I stay healthy enough to continue to cruise and enjoy life.

I can remember at 52, wanting that "Senior" discount my husband got at 55. And now at 62 I'm able to take advantage of most all senior discounts, and my travelling friend is 79.

I choose HAL exactly because it doesn't have the hairy chest contest, or beer drinking contests or rock climbing walls. I love the classic "old" liner ambiance with lots of wood and brass and elegant decor. With orchids on all the tables, and fresh flower arrangements all around the ship.

My first cruise was on Carnival in '88, and I vowed never to sail Carnival again. They are the "fun ships" and that image has stuck with me, the same as the "old folks" line that HAL seems to remain. Everyone is different and is looking for something different in their cruises. There are plenty of cruiselines to satisfy everyone's needs. So I don't get upset if folks ask their questions.

And I found Celebrity to have just as many scooters, walkers and "older" folks as any HAL ship I've been on. They would be my second choice.

[usha]

Ah, well, you can't very well have "discriminating taste"
without a little discrimination, can you?:o

[dogo88]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

Not offended in the least. If those comments keep a group with their rugrats off the ship, good for me. If it keeps the party crowd off, again, that's a plus.

I started going on HAL in my twenties and now at 59 I still love it. So if someone thinks of me as a senior, old geezer, snoozer, etc. That's fine. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oops.


Dan

[herb]

When we tell others about our HAL cruise we always compliment the fact that we found their product to ensure a very relaxing environment ... to ALL their guests ... whether they are 25 or 85.

For me, especially, this is very important since I work in a very "loud" environment. I am a Maitre D' and it is my job to oversee weddings, bar mitzvahs, proms and all other social/business functions. I am constantly in the midst of loud blaring music, rolling my eyes at those who seem to act as if it's the first time they've been introduced to a bottle of alcohol.

Therefore, when I'm on vacation I look for peace and quiet.. and this is something I know I can count on HAL to provide.

[Felizcruiser08]

The OP and many others should not be offended in the least - IMHO - since many of you frequently try to offend and/or dissuade those of us who choose to cruise on HAL with our children.
I do not agree with referring to anyone either in real life or on a message board with disparaging descriptions, i.e. OLD = Boring,
Parent = Inconsiderate, lacking parenting skills , Children = horrible cruise for YOU.

Seems as though some can dish it out but now you are "offended" ? Hmm, very interesting. ;)

[ducklovemama]

What those who criticize "old people" fail to realize is that they wouldn't be here without them! Those "old people" fought for their freedoms and worked their tails off so the new generation could have things better than they did. Besides, those "old people" are well-traveled, articulate, and can regale you with stories that warm your heart.

Offended? Not so much as full of pity for those who don't realize who brung them to the dance!



I agree with you 100% !!!
If one is a people person with an open mind they will enjoy cruising along with any age. My husband and I are in our fifties and over the years we have met and befriended fellow cruisers from twenty something to seventy something.Also we all have something in common. We all love to cruise.

[taracruiser]

I, being 35 prefer HAL over the cruise lines that attract a younger crowd. I have no children and have more in common with people my parents' age than with teenagers. Plus, I've mingled with older cruisers who lasted longer into the night than I did. HAL rules!

[Opinions]

I am a a senior who has cruised with HAL for many years...I have no problem with those who perhaps would not want to travel with "old people" on HAL...I would not want to sail on a cruise line whose clients were mostly 20's and 30's...The music and activities would be rightly more to their liking than mine...I realizie their are differences in what people seek in a vacation...I don't see anything wrong in asking whether a particular cruise line or land resort is more suitable for different age groups.

[Silver sailor]

Don't really care
I'm in my early 60s with another birthday next month IAM NOT OLD I JUST CONTINUE TO GET OLDER

[michmike]

Just for clarification, I don't HATE kids.. I had one of my own.. (ok, HIM I hated from about 15-22 but now he's a rather charming 28 yr old)

BUT - I'd just as soon not spend my vacation around children who are whining, restless and bored and being rather vocal about it. That's one of the reasons we cruise on HAL, as we can pretty much depend on avoiding same by taking 10 day or longer cruises at times other than holidays or school breaks. Works for us. I simply don't think there is enough going on on HAL to keep kids engaged and will continue to advise parents (sometimes tongue in cheek) that HAL probably isn't their best choice. Partly out of an honest concern for their needs and partly out of a selfish motivation to minimize the number of kids onboard. Admittedly, not ALL kids are problematic but the fewer there are the less likely you are to find the problematic ones.

Another factor influencing me is my occupation.. I've worked in prisons/jails for 32 yrs with SOMEONE's less than charming issue. Perhaps I'm too quick to imagine that bratty 8 yr old, 10 yrs hence in an orange jump suit (whatever happened to black and white stripes?)

[Host Michell]

I think age-ism (which I define as pre-judging an individual based on a quality they cannot change, their age) is every bit as damaging to society as all the other "-ism"s). I include age-ism in both directions in that -- making assumptions about people based on them being "young," as well as them being "old."

That said, I have also realized that I "knew" a lot more when I was younger than I do now. :D I was SO sure of so many things -- I knew best, I had the only "correct" view of politics, religion, the meaning of life, moral decisions, yada yada. The more birthdays I've had, and the more of life I've experienced since then, the more I've realized I didn't know jack back then! I've heard the wisdom of the ages from the mouths of six year olds -- and complete claptrap from purported "experts" who have years of experience.

I think a lot of the age-ist posts about HAL are from those who are still in that life stage where they really do believe they know it all. Having been there myself, I usually don't feel "offended," but I do think "oh, just wait -- your time will come!"

I do agree that it's not necessary (or accurate) to use age as some kind of shorthand for factual observation. "Everyone on the ship's 70+" is just a lazy way (for those of a certain mindset) to say "in the evenings there isn't really any disco or lively night life -- after midnight the only place that really had much going on was X bar." If I were thinking of a cruise on the ship, whether I was 30, 50, or 70, I'd find the latter comment much more helpful -- I've known folks 20+ years older than me who can party me under the table and frequently see the sun rise! Similarly, without saying "it's an old folks' home!" people could report accurately on the child care options, Club HAL hours, numbers of kids onboard, etc.

[Route6A]

On my first cruise over 30 years ago, my husband and I were seated with a couple in their 80's who were fascinating folks and ever so charming. I corresponded with them for years. On our most recent cruise, we met a couple from L. A. who were even older and even more fascinating. Bright, accomplished, still working. By far, these two couples are the most interesting, charming people we have met in over 30 years of cruising. Lots of other nice folks, too, but none as bright, well-traveled and fun-loving. I hope as I grow older, I can be half as much fun. I'll certainly try!

[dvdfreakmc]

I remember on our first HAL cruise in 1993, we were on an 11 day to Alaska, and even in 93, the reputation for the average age being a "little" higher was in full gear.

When we started cruising again 10 or so years later, all of this was gone, and we have always found an great smattering of all kinds of demographics on HAL. But in 93 on the Rotterdam V, there were a few signs of the key demographic (So much has changed):


The helicopter would come every other day (no joking) to ferry someone to either the ICU or to the ICU in the sky. I thought that it was the way I wanted to go . . . on a cruise ship.
When they announced that glaciers were on the starboard side, it would take half an hour to get outside, since everyone had to get their walkers ready.
There were (count them) 5 couples under 40 on the ship. Believe me we counted. It was before Club HAL and there was no babysitting service, so all 5 couples were roped into babysitting one couples' kids each evening (The children were the only people under 10 on the ship)
Chair aerobics were the best attended exercise event, which were held every day.
In Ketchikan, we went on the salmon bake and canoing excursion, and were the only ones with paddles in the water. Everyone one else was saying out loud, "I thought they were going to do the paddling for us"
30's and 40's dance music was all that would come out of the built in speaker box in our room (prior to TVs).Now we had a ball on that cruise and loved it, enjoying ourselves completely, but there was a time, when HAL looked a little more like the Twilight Zone episode "Passage on the Lady Anne" (one of my fav's). Maybe it was just the cruise we were on?

We met the most interesting people on that cruise and so much enjoyed ourselves that we have been with HAL almost ever since, but it has changed SO MUCH since then. My point is not to disparage the demographic, but instead highlight that there have been many changes on HAL over the years which have encouraged a mix of individuals on board -- at least from my perspective.

[iceman93]

I think a lot of the age-ist posts about HAL are from those who are still in that life stage where they really do believe they know it all. Having been there myself, I usually don't feel "offended," but I do think "oh, just wait -- your time will come!"

Your post is very well-written, and I agree with what you've said. The only thing that would seem to contradict it are those posting here who should, looking solely at the calendar, have achieved that level of wisdom yet who instead play right into the stereotype of crotchety, set-in-their-ways, stodgy old folks.

Why should saying, "If the reputation of HAL being for old folks keeps the rugrats at bay, all the better!" be any more acceptable than saying, "If the pictures of young families in the HAL brochures keep the cane and walker set at bay, all the better!"?

[cccole]

Your post is very well-written, and I agree with what you've said. The only thing that would seem to contradict it are those posting here who should, looking solely at the calendar, have achieved that level of wisdom yet who instead play right into the stereotype of crotchety, set-in-their-ways, stodgy old folks.

Why should saying, "If the reputation of HAL being for old folks keeps the rugrats at bay, all the better!" be any more acceptable than saying, "If the pictures of young families in the HAL brochures keep the cane and walker set at bay, all the better!"?


Well said. Cherie

[Taxguy7]

We (4 of us from 58 to closing in on 61) always bring our Margaritaville "growing older, but not UP!" shirts to fight this rap... not to mention the screaming, flying monkeys, rubber chickens and burger king crowns. Don't have to be a kid to act like one. *S*

Our favorite dinner companions in 7 HAL cruises have been a couple who were 91 and 90 and still full of life, laughter and adventure.

I agree though, if it keeps the families and kids at bay, then do all you can to promote the fact that HAL is indeed for old farts.

Personally I think it's great that those with some physical limitations (walkers, canes, scooters) still have the gumption and drive to get out and travel rather than sit home and feel sorry for themselves.

Those that don't want to be around us AARPers always have a home on Carnival or RC.
I was trying to think of a response as I read this thread, but YOU GOT IT.
I use a cane on big ships and in ports (don't like either one), and LOVE the fact I always find someone to inspire me.:) The man at a tiny island near Costa Rica who went ashore by ship's boat and hired a man to push the wheelchair through town as there was no pavement and his wife was not strong enough. Last year, the man in an electric wheelchair and the dining room was closed. (He beat us to the buffet!:(
We sailed on the Grand Clipper, primarily a sailing ship, with NO elevator, NO casino, NO shows! Period! you like to sail, or you don't...With only 200 paying pax, there were 4 of us who used canes and woke up early for coffee! Wish I had the money to charter her!:D
"I wa sad as I had a limp, until I met a man with no feet"
Cruises are invigorating!:)

[Susie51]

To me "old age" is getting to be older all of the time. When my 4 grandparents died in their mid 70's, I thought they were old. When my dad died at 73, I thought that was too young to die. My mom is 85, she is still cooking meals at home and taking them to the "elderly". I guess she continues to think she is in her prime. She often babysits for her great grandchildren.

In the past Sixty-five seemed like a long time to wait until retirement. Now many people work beyond 70.

Interesting post.

[lorekauf]

My mom is 85, she is still cooking meals at home and taking them to the "elderly". I guess she continues to think she is in her prime. She often babysits for her great grandchildren.

Good for your mom. I think that is just excellent:) . I hope my mom will be around till age 85. If she is still as active as your mom that is just gravy!

[Host Michell]

Your post is very well-written, and I agree with what you've said. The only thing that would seem to contradict it are those posting here who should, looking solely at the calendar, have achieved that level of wisdom yet who instead play right into the stereotype of crotchety, set-in-their-ways, stodgy old folks.

Why should saying, "If the reputation of HAL being for old folks keeps the rugrats at bay, all the better!" be any more acceptable than saying, "If the pictures of young families in the HAL brochures keep the cane and walker set at bay, all the better!"?

I agree. I think age-ism cuts 2 ways.

[babyher]

To me "old age" is getting to be older all of the time. When my 4 grandparents died in their mid 70's, I thought they were old. When my dad died at 73, I thought that was too young to die. My mom is 85, she is still cooking meals at home and taking them to the "elderly". I guess she continues to think she is in her prime. She often babysits for her great grandchildren.

In the past Sixty-five seemed like a long time to wait until retirement. Now many people work beyond 70.

Interesting post.


God Bless her

thats what probably keeps her going strong. I know going out and doing and keeping active does wonders for my mom :)

Like I said she will be 85 on September 10th. She has slowed down some, but still puts some people half her age to shame. When she does need to stop and take a rest she always says "I forget I'm not a kid of 70 anymore" *LOL*

[cccole]

God Bless her

thats what probably keeps her going strong. I know going out and doing and keeping active does wonders for my mom :)

Like I said she will be 85 on September 10th. She has slowed down some, but still puts some people half her age to shame. When she does need to stop and take a rest she always says "I forget I'm not a kid of 70 anymore" *LOL*

Please say HAPPY BIRTHDAY to your mom for me. I can't tell you how jealous I am that you are able to celebrate together. Your mom sounds absolutely fantastic, and nothing like the individuals that post on this site who don't want to see or hear youth around them. I love reading your posts!!! Cherie

[babyher]

Please say HAPPY BIRTHDAY to your mom for me. I can't tell you how jealous I am that you are able to celebrate together. Your mom sounds absolutely fantastic, and nothing like the individuals that post on this site who don't want to see or hear youth around them. I love reading your posts!!! Cherie


Thank you for your kind words, I enjoy your posts too.:)

I will certainly pass your birthday wishes along to her. Thank You:)

*LOL* with 4 children, 14 grandchildren and a great grand on the way , she can't escape kids *LOL* but she is crazy about them.

[maninmontreal]

What those who criticize "old people" fail to realize is that they wouldn't be here without them! Those "old people" fought for their freedoms and worked their tails off so the new generation could have things better than they did. Besides, those "old people" are well-traveled, articulate, and can regale you with stories that warm your heart.

Offended? Not so much as full of pity for those who don't realize who brung them to the dance!

Well said Jim ! (heading toward 60 but not quite there yet)

[BrianTom]

This thread is getting as sleepy as the people who travel HAL ; )

[Growler]

Tagline from my 50th birthday party invitiations (now postponed, see other thread)

"Old enough to know better... young enough to do it anyway..."

Tim

[rich_cathybrock]

What those who criticize "old people" fail to realize is that they wouldn't be here without them! Those "old people" fought for their freedoms and worked their tails off so the new generation could have things better than they did. Besides, those "old people" are well-traveled, articulate, and can regale you with stories that warm your heart.

Offended? Not so much as full of pity for those who don't realize who brung them to the dance!

I love reading your posts! Your wisdom is most appreciated. Whatever happened to respecting our elders anyway? Couldn't agree with you more!

[navybankerteacher]

Having just turned 70 I must accept the fact I am now middle-aged. I substitute teach in elementary schools and have four children (aged 35-40), nine grandchildren (1 month -8 years), three step children (47-50) and eleven step-grandchildren (10-22) I am regularly exposed to a wide range of age groups. The only "age" groups I do not like to travel with are those who think they they are old/young enough to know more than their travelling companions.

Generally, the more years someone has the more interesting their experiences are - while younger people tend to have more wonder at the world and willingness to try new things.

If I had to choose, I suppose i would prefer a ship with a majority of my age group than one over-run with children -- if only because in large enough groups (and with harried parents trying to enjoy their own vacations) masses of poorly supervised chlidren, acting in concert, tend to validate my grandfather's contention that "...each new generation is a new invasion of barbarians"

[neverwinter2]

Just an interesting story about this topic... my husband and I were booking our first HAL trip (the one we will take this November) through a travel agent. We had done our homework, checked various lines, ports, excursions, etc... and chosen this trip. Friends of ours had also shared their experiences and recommended HAL.

The TA, knowing our ages, kept trying to encourage us to book on other cruise lines. Finally she asked - had we ever cruised before? (Yes.) With which line(s) had we cruised? (Carnival.) What did we like and not like about Carnival? (We enjoyed the convenience of departing from Galveston. We did not enjoy the drunkenness, noise, Corona beach parties, or hairy chest contests.)

Her reply? "Oh! So Holland America then!"

It's interesting to hear what ideas everyone has on this topic. We plan to enjoy our cruise and are hoping for a quieter atmosphere, regardless of the age of our fellow passengers.

[emma6423]

This thread was blow way out of proportion!! The original poster was not rude at all but wanting the truth about the cruise that he/she is about to spend ALLOT OF MONEY ON. The is nothing wrong with asking about typical age of passangers at all. Whomever is offended by such questions perhaps has inner insecurity about their age and needs to deal with this. We find it unfair that they are making the person look rude/troll or what have you. We think it was uncalled for to re-quote what the poster had quoted in his/her previous posts..... totally unnessessary.



take care

[emma6423]

This thread was blow way out of proportion!! The original poster was not rude at all but wanting the truth about the cruise that he/she is about to spend ALLOT OF MONEY ON. There is nothing wrong with asking about typical age of passangers at all. Whomever is offended by such questions perhaps has inner insecurity about their age and needs to deal with this. We find it unfair that they are making the person look rude/troll or what have you. We think it was uncalled for to re-quote what the poster had quoted in his/her previous posts..... totally unnessessary.



take care

[voyeurism26]

I briefly read through this post but I had to place my thoughts onto the post. My partner and I have been going on HAL since 1995. We have over 100 days worth of sailings and overall enjoy the HAL experience. Why? because I like the fact that HAL is not filled with kids screaming and running around...its a relaxing cruise. My partner and I work hard and we are both now in our early 40's and when we cruise we like the fact that HAL is peaceful and I have a well rested cruise. Not only have we been on HAL, we also been on Carnival, NCL, and Celebrity.

Now with this being said, "older" people and "kids" can either make MY cruise a fun cruise and/or a misarable cruise. How I see it, your on a ship for a week or more with at least 1500 or more people (guest) and how people act can make or break MY cruise experience. Here are my thoughts:

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of "drunk party goers who act like common trash and get drunk and obnoxious...this usually happens with people in the age range in there 30's to 40's which I have seen and experienced on Carnival and NCL.

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of kids (babies to teens) many parents bring there kids..and of course they have the right to bring there kids...but they just let there kids run "wild" on the ship and they ignore there children so you have a bunch of kids running around the ship...up and down the hallway during the night and making loud noises as well as screaming in the pool area with NO supervision by there parents. This also happen on Carnival and NCL.

On HAL...we mostly took 7 day cruises...we find that there are a large group of people that range in age...from young married couples to families of all ages but one thing I do observe is that everyone on HAL keeps there manners in polite company. Kids are enrolled in club HaL and the kids are well mannered and parents keep check with there kids. Its seems HAL has a great group of people on there 7 day cruises. We have made many friendships onboard with many people at least 10 years old then us. We find that the older crowd on the HAL ships for 7 day cruises are peppy, have fund and enjoy life and matter of fact seem to have fun an do better then "us" younger folks...LOL

Now with this being said. My partner and I took a 10 day cruise on the Volendam a few years back to the Panama Canal. The Itennary was great and I love the canal and the rich history and learning about the Panama Canal...going to Costa Rica was the best and really enjoyed it. However, the ship was full of old people in the range of 65 and over....we were one of the few of the young people onboard. I have to say that I have never experienced being on a HAL ship with such old people before...however I didnt mind...but then I noticed that this particular "old" crowd was rude, none of them smiled...all they did was complain...the rudness around the ship and how we were treated by the "older crowd" was shameful. I do my best to be nice and respectful...but no matter what we did...we were continually treated rudely by the other older guest...they pushed us in the Lido Restuarant...pushed us in the lines....jumped ahead when waiting on a line...took our chairs at the pool when you can see we had our towels, shoes and such on the chairs. Even the staff had a "sour" face and when asked several of the staff members...they would tell us that every 10 days they have to put up with this type of guest/crowd...and then they never tipped extra and all they do is complain...so even the staff didn't care for the guests...I felt more sorry for the staff because they are stuck on the ship for months...I just had 10 days and I couldn't wait to get off..not because of the 10 days because of the rudness of the "older guests".

My final thoughts...everyone has a right to cruise...but its how people conduct themselves...it does not matter if your old or young...you have to respect your fellow cruiser. Some people get on these ships and act like "asses" no matter what age. All of us that go on cruises, have to keep in mind, we are on a ship for 7 or more days...have some manners and respect your fellow cruisers...its a vacation...if your going to be "bitter and old" then stay home...if your going to let your children run wild with no supervision, keep you kids home with a relative to watch them...take responsibilty for your own actions and your kids actions. If you want to get drunk and become unruly...lock yourself in your cabin...other guest don't want to see drunks vomitting in the public area and being loud and unruly...just because you don't have to drive doesn't give you the right to drink like a fish and act like a idiot.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

[emma6423]

I briefly read through this post but I had to place my thoughts onto the post. My partner and I have been going on HAL since 1995. We have over 100 days worth of sailings and overall enjoy the HAL experience. Why? because I like the fact that HAL is not filled with kids screaming and running around...its a relaxing cruise. My partner and I work hard and we are both now in our early 40's and when we cruise we like the fact that HAL is peaceful and I have a well rested cruise. Not only have we been on HAL, we also been on Carnival, NCL, and Celebrity.

Now with this being said, "older" people and "kids" can either make MY cruise a fun cruise and/or a misarable cruise. How I see it, your on a ship for a week or more with at least 1500 or more people (guest) and how people act can make or break MY cruise experience. Here are my thoughts:

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of "drunk party goers who act like common trash and get drunk and obnoxious...this usually happens with people in the age range in there 30's to 40's which I have seen and experienced on Carnival and NCL.

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of kids (babies to teens) many parents bring there kids..and of course they have the right to bring there kids...but they just let there kids run "wild" on the ship and they ignore there children so you have a bunch of kids running around the ship...up and down the hallway during the night and making loud noises as well as screaming in the pool area with NO supervision by there parents. This also happen on Carnival and NCL.

On HAL...we mostly took 7 day cruises...we find that there are a large group of people that range in age...from young married couples to families of all ages but one thing I do observe is that everyone on HAL keeps there manners in polite company. Kids are enrolled in club HaL and the kids are well mannered and parents keep check with there kids. Its seems HAL has a great group of people on there 7 day cruises. We have made many friendships onboard with many people at least 10 years old then us. We find that the older crowd on the HAL ships for 7 day cruises are peppy, have fund and enjoy life and matter of fact seem to have fun an do better then "us" younger folks...LOL

Now with this being said. My partner and I took a 10 day cruise on the Volendam a few years back to the Panama Canal. The Itennary was great and I love the canal and the rich history and learning about the Panama Canal...going to Costa Rica was the best and really enjoyed it. However, the ship was full of old people in the range of 65 and over....we were one of the few of the young people onboard. I have to say that I have never experienced being on a HAL ship with such old people before...however I didnt mind...but then I noticed that this particular "old" crowd was rude, none of them smiled...all they did was complain...the rudness around the ship and how we were treated by the "older crowd" was shameful. I do my best to be nice and respectful...but no matter what we did...we were continually treated rudely by the other older guest...they pushed us in the Lido Restuarant...pushed us in the lines....jumped ahead when waiting on a line...took our chairs at the pool when you can see we had our towels, shoes and such on the chairs. Even the staff had a "sour" face and when asked several of the staff members...they would tell us that every 10 days they have to put up with this type of guest/crowd...and then they never tipped extra and all they do is complain...so even the staff didn't care for the guests...I felt more sorry for the staff because they are stuck on the ship for months...I just had 10 days and I couldn't wait to get off..not because of the 10 days because of the rudness of the "older guests".

My final thoughts...everyone has a right to cruise...but its how people conduct themselves...it does not matter if your old or young...you have to respect your fellow cruiser. Some people get on these ships and act like "asses" no matter what age. All of us that go on cruises, have to keep in mind, we are on a ship for 7 or more days...have some manners and respect your fellow cruisers...its a vacation...if your going to be "bitter and old" then stay home...if your going to let your children run wild with no supervision, keep you kids home with a relative to watch them...take responsibilty for your own actions and your kids actions. If you want to get drunk and become unruly...lock yourself in your cabin...other guest don't want to see drunks vomitting in the public area and being loud and unruly...just because you don't have to drive doesn't give you the right to drink like a fish and act like a idiot.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.






Great post!. We have never cruised before at all this will be our first time. Have you been on princess before?? You mentioned more mature passagers on the panama canal, we are deciding between celebrity, holland and princess to the med for next year,and wondering which one has the best food? and which one would cater more to passagers between 36-40?? like us who dont get out of hand.

[emma6423]

I briefly read through this post but I had to place my thoughts onto the post. My partner and I have been going on HAL since 1995. We have over 100 days worth of sailings and overall enjoy the HAL experience. Why? because I like the fact that HAL is not filled with kids screaming and running around...its a relaxing cruise. My partner and I work hard and we are both now in our early 40's and when we cruise we like the fact that HAL is peaceful and I have a well rested cruise. Not only have we been on HAL, we also been on Carnival, NCL, and Celebrity.

Now with this being said, "older" people and "kids" can either make MY cruise a fun cruise and/or a misarable cruise. How I see it, your on a ship for a week or more with at least 1500 or more people (guest) and how people act can make or break MY cruise experience. Here are my thoughts:

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of "drunk party goers who act like common trash and get drunk and obnoxious...this usually happens with people in the age range in there 30's to 40's which I have seen and experienced on Carnival and NCL.

I don't enjoy being on a ship full of kids (babies to teens) many parents bring there kids..and of course they have the right to bring there kids...but they just let there kids run "wild" on the ship and they ignore there children so you have a bunch of kids running around the ship...up and down the hallway during the night and making loud noises as well as screaming in the pool area with NO supervision by there parents. This also happen on Carnival and NCL.

On HAL...we mostly took 7 day cruises...we find that there are a large group of people that range in age...from young married couples to families of all ages but one thing I do observe is that everyone on HAL keeps there manners in polite company. Kids are enrolled in club HaL and the kids are well mannered and parents keep check with there kids. Its seems HAL has a great group of people on there 7 day cruises. We have made many friendships onboard with many people at least 10 years old then us. We find that the older crowd on the HAL ships for 7 day cruises are peppy, have fund and enjoy life and matter of fact seem to have fun an do better then "us" younger folks...LOL

Now with this being said. My partner and I took a 10 day cruise on the Volendam a few years back to the Panama Canal. The Itennary was great and I love the canal and the rich history and learning about the Panama Canal...going to Costa Rica was the best and really enjoyed it. However, the ship was full of old people in the range of 65 and over....we were one of the few of the young people onboard. I have to say that I have never experienced being on a HAL ship with such old people before...however I didnt mind...but then I noticed that this particular "old" crowd was rude, none of them smiled...all they did was complain...the rudness around the ship and how we were treated by the "older crowd" was shameful. I do my best to be nice and respectful...but no matter what we did...we were continually treated rudely by the other older guest...they pushed us in the Lido Restuarant...pushed us in the lines....jumped ahead when waiting on a line...took our chairs at the pool when you can see we had our towels, shoes and such on the chairs. Even the staff had a "sour" face and when asked several of the staff members...they would tell us that every 10 days they have to put up with this type of guest/crowd...and then they never tipped extra and all they do is complain...so even the staff didn't care for the guests...I felt more sorry for the staff because they are stuck on the ship for months...I just had 10 days and I couldn't wait to get off..not because of the 10 days because of the rudness of the "older guests".

My final thoughts...everyone has a right to cruise...but its how people conduct themselves...it does not matter if your old or young...you have to respect your fellow cruiser. Some people get on these ships and act like "asses" no matter what age. All of us that go on cruises, have to keep in mind, we are on a ship for 7 or more days...have some manners and respect your fellow cruisers...its a vacation...if your going to be "bitter and old" then stay home...if your going to let your children run wild with no supervision, keep you kids home with a relative to watch them...take responsibilty for your own actions and your kids actions. If you want to get drunk and become unruly...lock yourself in your cabin...other guest don't want to see drunks vomitting in the public area and being loud and unruly...just because you don't have to drive doesn't give you the right to drink like a fish and act like a idiot.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.






Great post!. We have never cruised before at all this will be our first time. Have you been on princess before?? You mentioned more mature passagers on the panama canal, we are deciding between celebrity, holland and princess to the med for next year,and wondering which one has the best food? and which one would cater more to passagers between 36-40?? like us who dont get out of hand.

[ricok987]

I'm 44, to young for the "older folks" to be considered one of them, and too old for the younger ones. The point of a vacation is to have a good time, and as long as you don't spoil the good times of your fellow passengers (you wouldn't want them to spoil yours) you need to do whatever it takes. I guess I'm just a "glass is half full" kind of guy because I try to get along with everybody.

[DougC43]

Great post!. We have never cruised before at all this will be our first time. Have you been on princess before?? You mentioned more mature passagers on the panama canal, we are deciding between celebrity, holland and princess to the med for next year,and wondering which one has the best food? and which one would cater more to passagers between 36-40?? like us who dont get out of hand.

We have cruised once each with Celebrity, Princess and HAL, and had good "crowds" on each of the 3 cruises. My guess the nature of the passengers is as much or more dependent on the destination than it is on the particular cruise line. For example, I've heard the same stories everyone seems to have heard about Carnival, but later someone told me that Carnival cruises in the Mediterranean are quite well-behaved (compared to say those to he Caribbean).

Our 3 cruises were Mediterranean (Celeb), repositioning from Chile to Seattle (Princess) and the recent Northern Islands (Copenhagen to NYC) on the Eurodam, and the passengers on all three were generally very classy. Since your destination is the Mediterranean, my guess is that you'll have good co-passengers on any of the lines.

We'd probably rank Celebrity at the top for food, with HAL very close to Celeb., and Princess not far behind. Your age should be no problem on any of them.

My only real gripe with any of our cruises is that we had a very small cabin on the Eurodam (but then we always book inside cabins, preferring to spend our money on other things). The HAL website says the insides on the Eurodam range from 170-200 sq. ft.; ours was 141. On the other 2 cruises we had a 160 and a 171, and both of those were fine. So when you book, make sure you'll be happy with the size of your accommodations.

Hope this helps :)

[esther e]

Medicare kicked in a few years ago; my knees hurt; I walk slower than I used to; my memory isn't so good anymore, I sag and droop; and my face has life lines. I'm aging but damn it, I'm NOT old!!!!;)

[esther e]

Just for clarification, I don't HATE kids.. I had one of my own.. (ok, HIM I hated from about 15-22 but now he's a rather charming 28 yr old)

BUT - I'd just as soon not spend my vacation around children who are whining, restless and bored and being rather vocal about it. That's one of the reasons we cruise on HAL, as we can pretty much depend on avoiding same by taking 10 day or longer cruises at times other than holidays or school breaks. Works for us. I simply don't think there is enough going on on HAL to keep kids engaged and will continue to advise parents (sometimes tongue in cheek) that HAL probably isn't their best choice. Partly out of an honest concern for their needs and partly out of a selfish motivation to minimize the number of kids onboard. Admittedly, not ALL kids are problematic but the fewer there are the less likely you are to find the problematic ones.

Another factor influencing me is my occupation.. I've worked in prisons/jails for 32 yrs with SOMEONE's less than charming issue. Perhaps I'm too quick to imagine that bratty 8 yr old, 10 yrs hence in an orange jump suit (whatever happened to black and white stripes?)

We have the black and white stripes doing road work. My husband won't stop the car so I can take a photo, though. He doesn't want to end up in one of them. I saw my first (current) stripes in St. Augustine and now see them all over the Florida roads.

[Felizcruiser08]

I just love how some of those who are offended at being referred to in any way as "old" are more than willing to disparage the young. :rolleyes:

Exactly - :D children =rugrats, unruly. Parents - as irresponible.

[michmike]

good to see that the stripes are still out there somewhere.. you never saw Bogart or Cagney in no stinkin jump suit.. let's have convicts LOOK like convicts *L*

[babyher]

good to see that the stripes are still out there somewhere.. you never saw Bogart or Cagney in no stinkin jump suit.. let's have convicts LOOK like convicts *L*


Well in fairness , Bogie and Cagney usually got rubbed out before they got caught and sent to the big house *LOL*

Top of the World Ma, Top of the World !!!!!!

[m steve]

are you also driving in the left lane below the speed limit? (Florida driving rules.)

[emma6423]

I just love how some of those who are offended at being referred to in any way as "old" are more than willing to disparage the young. :rolleyes:



you got this right that's forsure!!!!!!!

[esther e]

are you also driving in the left lane below the speed limit? (Florida driving rules.)

Yep. And I'm so short that my feet can't reach the pedals and my head and steering wheel are the same height.:D

[babyher]

Yep. And I'm so short that my feet can't reach the pedals and my head and steering wheel are the same height.:D



Oh God the dreaded driverless cars of Florida *LOL*

You haven't started eating dinner at 3 in the afternoon have you? :) :) :)

[tfromky]

I'm 33 years old ( on sat) and I deliberately picked the Hal for sailing on the ms eurodam Halloween cruise! The reason for this is that I'm traveling with my mother who is 54. I wanted to go on a cruiseline that we both would enjoy. I know that this line is geared towards an age group that is , how shall I put it, less chaotic than carnival. The trade off for me is that I get to see some wonderful places with adventureous shore excursions off ship and she will be comfortable on ship. So we will see how it work for us. Im really looking forward to my first cruise and I really don't care who is on it as long as I get to go!

[tfromky]

I'm 33 years old ( on sat) and I deliberately picked the Hal for sailing on the ms eurodam Halloween cruise! The reason for this is that I'm traveling with my mother who is 54. I wanted to go on a cruiseline that we both would enjoy. I know that this line is geared towards an age group that is , how shall I put it, less chaotic than carnival. The trade off for me is that I get to see some wonderful places with adventureous shore excursions off ship and she will be comfortable on ship. So we will see how it work for us. Im really looking forward to my first cruise and I really don't care who is on it as long as I get to go!

[Open pod bay doors, HAL]

I think that the questions as to whether HAL is just for older passengers comes from all of the negative comments regarding families and young passengers. ...We loved our HAL cruise, but it was also during a week in February when passengers who do not want to be around children and young adults do not cruise.Cherie
I personally think that this perception of HAL as a line for the older crowd is a good thing...fewer people with kids will choose it, thereby lessening the chance of encountering screaming kids in the Pinnacle Grill. :D

[ANSalberg]

Perhaps I'm just a bit overly sensitive, but there have been a number of posts lately that IMHO have been quite disparaging of older people. These have been along the lines of "I hear HAL is for old people" and "I don't want to travel with old people, so is HAL the right cruise line for me?"

If any other "group" replaced "old", e.g., "I hear HAL is for Mexican people", that would be considered racist. If it was "I hear HAL is for gay people", that would be gender discrimination. So why is it acceptable to intimate that "old" people onboard can wreck someone's vacation?

I'm not "old", "elderly", "senior", not even "older" (though recently someone tried to insult me by saying I was "probably 70"). Just really quite offended by the acceptance of what I consider a double standard.

JMHO, I've sat on my hands about this for a while, and I suspect this post will go "poof". But just really needed to say it. As always, JMHO.

I'll begin my answer with "Not really offended -mostly because I think the question askers are asking for a specific reason" That said - there are cruises where the median age is considerably older; LONGER cruises [ we retired folks have the time] and more exotic cruises [ we can afford them] Shorter cruises are quick get-aways -[we did them too after hectic work periods]
But even THAT said -there are cliche's about ALL cruiselines; I've been on 2 Carnival cruises with a group of Cyber friends that were great fun and NOT drunken brawls. They WERE during a school period not usually used as vacation time. Cunard is one of our favorite lines because it is so British rather than complaining that it IS British.
To address "The" question; Age really is a state of mind; if you are under 50 that's terrific because you probably don't hurt when you stay up late & dance -if you are OVER 75 and hate kids -that's too bad too- you probably have grandkids who would enjoy being friends [ my parents never really WANTED to know my kids until they were in their late teens -and sadly then; it was too late; it was very shortsighted of THEM] The important thing is that EACH age has its own wisdom - if you contribute to the conversation and listen to the responses; its "Win/Win" - that's the GREATEST thing about growing "UP" WHATEVER age you are! ;)

[luxurysailer]

OK, I agree. Rude and obnoxious is rude and obnoxious regardless of the offender's age, and others should not have to put up with it.

Now to the importance of the question of age diversity among pax on any particular cruise. It stands to reason that the less diversity in age of pax the easier it will be to provide onboard entertainment that is enjoyed by the majority. I consider myself a young (physically and attitudinally) 67 year old, who does not enjoy many of the activities preferred by those in the 20-30 age group. Likewise, I strongly suspect that those same 20-30 somethings wouldn't enjoy those activities that I prefer. A perfect example of this occurred on the Grand Princess while cruising New Zealand/Australia about three years ago. The DJ in the Skywalker Lounge was playing music totally inappropriate for the age group of the passengers on that cruise, and as a result that lounge was empty. What was really funny was listening to the CD trying to cajole the pax to use Skywalkers. If the age of cruisers on a ship is rather similar and if the CD uses his head and plans entertainment for that age group, the cruise line will have happier pax and thus more repeat business.