HAL not helping?

[Kami's pal]

Alan Fox of *************.com reports that

"Several cruise lines have pitched in to support the relief efforts in some of the hardest-hit Caribbean islands. Royal Caribbean and Celebrity have contributed more than $1.5 million to help Caribbean nations affected by the storms. Princess will send a tender from the Caribbean Princess to Grand Cayman with water, food and clothing. NCL has said it will donate water, food and other goods to the relief efforts in the Bahamas, the Cayman Islands, Grenada and Jamaica. And Carnival donated $1 million to help Florida's victims of Hurricane Charley."

I know. It's enlightened self interest. Good business practice should benefit everybody. I say, 'Well done!" :D

Now when will HAL step up? HAL cruise Line benefits from these islands too.

[dakrewser]

Alan Fox of *************.com reports <stuff>
Now when will HAL step up? HAL cruise Line benefits from these islands too.
Fox isn't exactly a newsman. He thought the Republic of Ireland was part of the UK!

You are aware that HAL (as well as half a dozen other lines) are part of the Carnival Corp, aren't you?

-dave

[MikeWitte]

But what is now called the Republic of Ireland WAS part of the UK - it hasn't been since 1921 but it WAS.

[roohound]

Princess also contributed goods and delivered it to Grand Cayman via the Caribbean Princess..above and beyond what Carnival did. I believe this is why the OP is questioning HAL not doing the same

[sail7seas]

Do any of us know for sure?


Perhaps Princess wanted the "flash" and big press!!! Perhaps HAL just quietly helped and made no show about it??? I don't know this to be true but I also do not know it to be untrue.

Of course, the comment that HAL is part of the Carnival Family of Ships is accurate.....but so is Princess.

[Esme]

Just because HAL isn't announcing it, doesn't mean they are not doing the same thing.

[Orcrone]

Just because HAL isn't announcing it, doesn't mean they are not doing the same thing.Probably just my cynical side coming through, but generally when a company does something charitable like this, they make sure it is known.

[Kami's pal]

You are aware that HAL (as well as half a dozen other lines) are part of the Carnival Corp, aren't you?

-dave

No, Dave, I wasn't aware. So I huess this huge corporation is helping under several different budget lines. Great! Does my cynical side discount their help? Of course not. Enlightened self interest. I hope they get a tax break for charitable donations. I hope the various governments and citizens of these islands who sometimes resent the invasion of tourists are feeling more welcome to cruise ships and cruisers.

I want more companies to help. Advertise that they are, and I will feel better about buying their product. I think capitalism and charitable giving can coexist. The late great Mr. ( Armond?) Hammer taught that.

[Krazy Kruizers]

It's great to hear that some of the cruise lines are helping out.

HAL has probably or will probably be doing something soon.

Since Princess, HAL and Carnival are all owned by the Carnival Corporation - they are helping in their own way.

[mhshapiro]

I expect that HAL will be spending a fair amount of money repairing the damage to HMC. This will help by providing jobs for local folks, and by ensuring that the regular employees who operate HMC will have jobs for the future.

[sail7seas]

There have been no reports yet about any damage from Jeanne, but Hurricane Frances did very little damage to HMC. There was no need for spending huge sums to repair/rebuild as there was only a little beach erosion and 'to be expected' stripping of foliage.

HOPEFULLY, Jeanne left the island is the same good condition.

[Ziggy7]

Princess cays and the people that live on Eleuthra had alot of damage. If princess cays and Eleuthra indeed sustained more damage which it appears is highly likely, it will be a while before the people of Eleuthra can help on HMC, if HMC didnt get more damage too.

[saltydog28]

But what is now called the Republic of Ireland WAS part of the UK - it hasn't been since 1921 but it WAS.

The only ones who thought that the Republic of Ireland was part of the UK was the UK.
Pat-LAOH

[ekerr19]

Kami-

If I read this correctly -

You have a similar post on the Celebrity board - only difference, favoring Celebrity for their actions...

Can you tell us specifically WHICH actions HAL is to be condemned for and Celebrity praised for?

[Kami's pal]

ekerr19
"Kami-

If I read this correctly -

You have a similar post on the Celebrity board - only difference, favoring Celebrity for their actions...

Can you tell us specifically WHICH actions HAL is to be condemned for and Celebrity praised for?" Ekerr19


Certainly. I'll try to flesh out my thinking.
First though, I have been educated since that post. Several responders have pointed out that Carnival Corporation owns HAL so perhaps HAL is helping.

Princess and Carnival and Celebrity and RCCL were mentioned in the e brochure by Fox in *************.com, so I posted my celebration of their action by addressing each cruise line by their name on their board. My thinking was "Celebrate with me. This cruise line is acting positively."

My post on HAL's board was "Why isn't HAL helping?" I hadn't thought my remarks strong enough to be "condemning". I "condemn" those who murder or knowingly pollute or exploit the vulnerability of the weak for their own gain, etc. I applaud businesses that can earn profits while treating their employees fairly and their customers honestly.

I hope that HAL is helping and that they get credit for what they do. Earning some good will isn't wrong; in fact it's good business. That's why Discovery channel is going to sponsor Armstrong. I grew up in a capitalist country during the cold war with the supposedly supreme socialist country. WE all know how badly that worked out. A hero of mine is Armand(sp?) Hammer, an American and a capitalist. HAL benefits from the use of these fragile ecosystems and small populations whose yearly wage might make the price of my cruise look arrogantly materialistic and selfish. I don't doubt that there is tension between the "Ugly North American" and the islanders. Well, here is a perfect opportunity to ease that tension.

So I repeat, "HAL not helping?"

HAL, if you are helping, please don't be shy about advertising it.

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[Nautical Wheeler]

Fox isn't exactly a newsman. He thought the Republic of Ireland was part of the UK!

You are aware that HAL (as well as half a dozen other lines) are part of the Carnival Corp, aren't you?

-dave
This is true. I believe Carnival now has merged with Princess as well. And RCCL is merged with Celebrity. So why do they get individual mention and not HAL???? Not everyone is aware of these mergers and so assume that HAL has not contributed.:eek:

[sail7seas]

Not exactly mergers, I don't think.


It is more like Carnival, well over 10 years ago, bought HAL.

Carnival bought Princess last year.

Included in the Carnival family of ships is Seabourn; Cunard; Costa; Windstar; Carnival; Princess and HAL.

[dosi]

Probably just my cynical side coming through, but generally when a company does something charitable like this, they make sure it is known.


No they just make sure it is deductible!!! :rolleyes:

[Kami's pal]

Yesterday, 06:19 Pm
dosi
Quote: Originally Posted by Orcrone
"Probably just my cynical side coming through, but generally when a company does something charitable like this, they make sure it is known."

No they just make sure it is deductible!!!

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doris
dosi and doris

Nothing wrong with that. Making their giving known is called advertising. Governments use the carrot of tax deductible charitable donations to encourage businesses to help. Why is HAL not taking advantage of this opportunity? As has been pointed out, most consumers don't know that all these cruise lines are owned by the same owners. So why are some of the individual cruise lines gaining favorable press here, and more important, in the islands, and HAL is perceived as being absent?