Did HAL change the dress code???

[Roboat]

In looking at the HAL website, I see that the dress code is less formal than I had thought.

My reading is that the minimum "HAL-approved" dress code, for men, is as follows:

Formal - jacket and tie
Informal - jacket (tie optional)

And, BTW, there is no mention of any restrictions on wearing shorts in the dining room for breakfast and lunch, but you're not supposed to wear them even in the Lido in the evening - though with my knees, I think I'll pass. :eek:

Here's the source:
http://www.hollandamerica.com/guests/category.do?category=packing&topic=dressCode

Is this a recent revision? I had thought that business suit or tux was the only "HAL-approved" dress for formal nights, and that informal nights still required a tie.

[RuthC]

HAL has had this dress code for quite some time now. The bar has been sufficiently lowered, IMHO.

[dakrewser]

It's been that way for at least a year and probably longer...

[Ziggy7]

it was that way last Aug :)

[allen.crawford]

I recall it being that way in Dec 2001

[Krazy Kruizers]

We noticed about 4 years ago that the tie - optional - for informal nights had changed.

[Roboat]

Thank you all for setting me straight. :)

[dakrewser]

Thank you all for setting me straight. :)
Now please take that tie off! :rolleyes:

-dave

[Roboat]

Now please take that tie off! :rolleyes:


-dave
Oh, alright (but it matches my gown sooo-oo perfectly!) :eek:

[johno95]

any lowering of the dress code is welcome to me. but my wife wondered about its genesis.

never having sailed HAL, i suspected that the typical (conservative) HAL patron had been dressing themselves within the boundaries given. even the men. :rolleyes: thus, a little loosening up was in order.

or maybe they were dressing too formally all the time. who knows.

[RevNeal]

Well, here's my observation from the Zaandam. Last night was a Formal Night, and the men required to have on at least a jacket and tie ... one fellow within my hearing was asked to leave and put on a jacket and tie because he had come to dinner in just slacks and a button-down sports shirt. Most men were in either a tuxedo or a dark business suit ... looking very formal. A few were in slacks, sports coat, white shirt and tie. The "suggested attire" is a tuxedo or a dark suit; the required minimum is, and has been since at least 1999, a jacket and tie.

Those are my observations from the Zaandam, last night. :)

[peaches from georgia]

........
never having sailed HAL, i suspected that the typical (conservative) HAL patron had been dressing themselves within the boundaries given. even the men. :rolleyes: thus, a little loosening up was in order.......

:confused: :confused: :confused: Why? If the typical HAL patron had been dressing themselves within the boundaries given, even the men, as you say, then WHY was a little loosening up in order? Apparently the vast majority were happy with the way things were, as there was no groundswell demanding a change.

[Roboat]

Well, here's my observation from the Zaandam. Last night was a Formal Night, and the men required to have on at least a jacket and tie ... one fellow within my hearing was asked to leave and put on a jacket and tie because he had come to dinner in just slacks and a button-down sports shirt. Most men were in either a tuxedo or a dark business suit ... looking very formal. A few were in slacks, sports coat, white shirt and tie. The "suggested attire" is a tuxedo or a dark suit; the required minimum is, and has been since at least 1999, a jacket and tie.

Those are my observations from the Zaandam, last night. :)
Hey Thanks, revneal! I'm surpised that HAL is enforcing the rule, based on comments on the board. (Maybe because it's not a Caribbean cruise?) But I kind of like that they are. Not that I'm crazy about dressing up, but if I gotta do it, it's nice to see that everyone else must too. Actually, I really don't mind wearing a tie at all, and will probably wear a business suit on formal nights, since my brother will be in a tux. And I LOVE to see all the ladies decked out! Lotsa bling-bling! :D

[Himself]

Rev. Greg Neal says a coat and tie have been required since at least 1999. I have been sailing on HAL since November 1996 and suit coat and tie were the minimum required for men at that time and I am sure a long time before.
For the life of me, I do not understand while people would not want to dress up. I know a priest who does Chaplaincies and on formal nights he dresses in a nice white shirt with french cuffs and the black rabbie and suit coat. It is the ONLY time other than 4th degree K of C affairs that he wears a white shirt with French cuffs.

Himself

[HeatherInFlorida]

In looking at the HAL website, I see that the dress code is less formal than I had thought.

My reading is that the minimum "HAL-approved" dress code, for men, is as follows:

Formal - jacket and tie
Informal - jacket (tie optional)


Roboat, just to be on the safe side I thought it wise to point out that even though HAL only mentions wearing a jacket and tie, they also would prefer you put some form of attire on your lower half;) .

Just a word of caution so you're not embarrassed in the dining room:D .

[RuthC]

Thanks for reporting on your observations, Greg. It's nice to know that most passengers got into the spirit of formal night, and that HAL did enforce the dress code---at least in the dining room.

[bepsf]

Roboat, just to be on the safe side I thought it wise to point out that even though HAL only mentions wearing a jacket and tie, they also would prefer you put some form of attire on your lower half;) .

Just a word of caution so you're not embarrassed in the dining room:D .
LOL Heather - You've been out in the sun too long!!!
;)

[debsea]

The dress code, as specified in HAL literature, hasn't changed since I started cruising on HAL in 1995. I am one who wishes it were adhered to more conscientiously by guests and enforced more vigorously by HAL.

[debsea]

The dress code, as specified in HAL literature, hasn't changed since I started cruising on HAL in 1995. I am one who wishes it were adhered to more conscientiously by passengers and enforced more vigorously by HAL.

[Roboat]

Roboat, just to be on the safe side I thought it wise to point out that even though HAL only mentions wearing a jacket and tie, they also would prefer you put some form of attire on your lower half;) .

Just a word of caution so you're not embarrassed in the dining room:D .Heather, thanks for the heads up! Nice to have someone looking out for me. I'm off to search the dresser for my sequined Speedo ( :eek: !!) , toe-socks and Vans! :cool:

You crack me way up. LOLLLLLLL

[Jean&Gene]

I went shopping today to buy a jacket for our 14yo son who will be cruising with us this Saturday.

I can't find ANYTHING that will fit him. He's about a 36R. What are young men supposed to do?

We don't have time to drive all over the area looking for a jacket for him. He has a nice shirt and tie, and if hogtied will wear a sweater, but only in the winter and if it's really cold.

Are teenagers expected to follow the formal dress code? Can he get by with a white shirt and tie?

I hesitate to purchase formal wear for a growing teenager.:confused:

[KBC]

Having just returned from a simply wonderful 12 nights on the Westerdam (Rome - Lisbon). The breakdown was due to be:-
3 x Formal,
3 x Informal and
6 x Casual nights.


What actually emerged was
3 x Formal,
1 x Informal and
8 x Casual.


This is the first time we have encountered such a low number of Informal Nights.


By no means a problem - and the Westerdam was sheer perfection.

KBC

[barefootguy]

I will try to remember how to tie a tie! As a real estate agent that lives on a lake & sells lake homes, I dress for work in Hawaiian shirts, shorts & boat mocs much of the year. Our upcoming cruise will be the first time I have to wear a jacket or tie (or tie one) since our last cruise... I will break down, however & work within "the rules".

Jackets & ties just don't work when you are showing lakefront homes from a pontoon!

[Stevesan]

This isn't ancient history, but quoting from Volendam's Daily program for Friday, November 10, 2000:

Tonight's Fress Formal:

Cocktail dresses for the ladies, and tuxedos or business suits suggested for men (jacket and tie required). We respectfully ask that our guests complement their fellow passengers by observing the dress code throughout the evening.
_____________________________________________

Thursday, November 9, 2000:

Tonight's Dress Informal:

For Ladies, dresses or blouses and slacks are suggested. For men, jackets required, ties optional.
______________________________________________

From today's HAL web site:

On festive formal evenings, women usually wear cocktail dresses or gowns and men usually wear business suits or tuxedos. There are approximately two formal nights per week. (Gentlemen: Although business suits or tuxedos are suggested attire for formal evenings, they are certainly not required. You are welcome to wear a jacket and tie on formal nights.)
______________________________________________

Jacket and tie welcome could be interpreted differently from jacket and tie required. However, semantics aside, if I were invited to a formal dinner at the local country club with the "welcome" dress code wording, I'd certainly wear jacket and tie minimum. Wouldn't you? Remember, if the DW is unhappy, you're unhappy.:mad:

[johno95]

:cool: :confused: :confused: :confused: Why? If the typical HAL patron had been dressing themselves within the boundaries given, even the men, as you say, then WHY was a little loosening up in order? Apparently the vast majority were happy with the way things were, as there was no groundswell demanding a change.well...in Celebrity I think that they overdo the dress code, making it too conservative. the one Celebrity ship i was on, half the cruisers didn't follow the code precisely.

with HAL, possibly they needlessly overstated the code. possibly the cruisers were good at following the rules. so they decided to state what they originally intended in the rules.

just a thought. what do i know? i'm a newbie.

[johno95]

Roboat, just to be on the safe side I thought it wise to point out that even though HAL only mentions wearing a jacket and tie, they also would prefer you put some form of attire on your lower half;) .

Just a word of caution so you're not embarrassed in the dining room:D .
:rolleyes: do they mention nothing for the ladies???

hmmm....

[RISKMGR]

Sorry to be contrary, but I dont do ties, although on the over 40 cruises I have been on it has never been a problem. In fact the only place it appears to be of concern is on this HAL board ! I wear a suit with a silk tshirt for formal and informal

[HeatherInFlorida]

Sorry to be contrary, but I dont do ties, although on the over 40 cruises I have been on it has never been a problem. In fact the only place it appears to be of concern is on this HAL board ! I wear a suit with a silk tshirt for formal and informal
Hmmmm...........I'm not touching this one! Anyone else?:rolleyes:

[Ziggy7]

No me but I would like to see pics :)

[Roadwork]

Sorry to be contrary, but I dont do ties, although on the over 40 cruises I have been on it has never been a problem. In fact the only place it appears to be of concern is on this HAL board ! I wear a suit with a silk tshirt for formal and informal
I don't do ties either. I wear a sports jacket with a knit shirt and dockers. I have never had a problem either. I have seen plenty men without the jacket on those informal nights.

Formal nights I go with the tux.

[dakrewser]

Sorry to be contrary, but I dont do ties, although on the over 40 cruises I have been on it has never been a problem. In fact the only place it appears to be of concern is on this HAL board ! I wear a suit with a silk tshirt for formal and informal
Maybe it hasn't been a problem for you, but have you asked everyone else in the dining room? Or were they just too polite to insult you to your face?

[RuthC]

Hmmmm...........I'm not touching this one! Anyone else?:rolleyes: Nope, not me either.
But, I think dakrewser handled it nicely.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Nope, not me either.
But, I think dakrewser handled it nicely.
:D Yes, he did. BTW, Ruth, I tried those dark chocolate Hershey's kisses. Yum!

[Cruiseoften]

I went shopping today to buy a jacket for our 14yo son who will be cruising with us this Saturday.

I can't find ANYTHING that will fit him. He's about a 36R. What are young men supposed to do?

We don't have time to drive all over the area looking for a jacket for him. He has a nice shirt and tie, and if hogtied will wear a sweater, but only in the winter and if it's really cold.

Are teenagers expected to follow the formal dress code? Can he get by with a white shirt and tie?

I hesitate to purchase formal wear for a growing teenager.:confused:

In this instance perhaps renting would be the answer - maybe less costly too!. Can't you even find a blazer? 36R is not that all offbeat.

We've seen 3 year olds in tux and bow tie - cute as buttons!

Hope everything works out for you and that you have a wonderful time!
:D

[ladyteedriver]

I'm just back from an Alaskan presentation at AAA. The Holland American representative stated that Alaskan cruises are very casual. She said that only 20% of the pax are decked out in gowns, cocktail dresses and tuxedos on formal nights. Most of the pax are wearing the type of dress they would wear to church. Also, she said that jeans are fine for the dining room during breakfast and lunch. She said think casual "especially in Alaska...your on vacation". This is not my first cruise, but it's the first with Holland American. I hope she's right, because I have to tell everyone else in our group what to expect and what to bring.

[Cruiseoften]

*
ladyteedriver - No doubt about it - Alaska cruises are less formal primarily because you do have to have some heavier clothing in case it's cold or wet and many people are also adding a land tour. However, it's nice to toss in that long skirt and a fancy top for the formal nights - the tux , your other half can do without it but, to compliment you, a dark business suit would be in order :)

[CanSail]

I went shopping today to buy a jacket for our 14yo son who will be cruising with us this Saturday.

I can't find ANYTHING that will fit him. He's about a 36R. What are young men supposed to do?


Are teenagers expected to follow the formal dress code? Can he get by with a white shirt and tie?



Dear Jean&Gene,
From a mom who knows how hard it is to keep a suit on a teenage boy without them growing out of it in one week I understand!

Trust me, find him a suit, he will feel out of place without one, and that is the last thing a teenage boy wants to do!

I always take my boys to a mens clothing store and let the salesman and tailor deal with them. I have had two suits altered in three hours at one time before a cruise (youngest son had a growing spurt over a four month period)
My boys always wear dark suits on the cruises, use the suit pants with a dress shirt, tie and vest for informal night if they don't want to wear a jacket.

One cruise I didn't tell my boys about until the day we were flying to meet the ship. Two weeks before the cruise I took them suit shopping (again), my youngest son kept asking me who was dying because he was sure the dark suits were for a funeral. (I still laugh when I think about it)

Enjoy your cruise...I hope you have some luck finding a suit for your son and I hope he has a wonderful time.
CanSail

[superstein61]

Sorry to be contrary, but I dont do ties, although on the over 40 cruises I have been on it has never been a problem. In fact the only place it appears to be of concern is on this HAL board ! I wear a suit with a silk tshirt for formal and informal
I am with you there Riskmgr - although I am sure there are some yahoo's here who will respond with some insult toward your approach

[superstein61]

Maybe it hasn't been a problem for you, but have you asked everyone else in the dining room? Or were they just too polite to insult you to your face?

DING DING DING - we have a winner !!!!!

That insult to Riskmgr didn't take long at all

[dakrewser]

DING DING DING - we have a winner !!!!!

That insult to Riskmgr didn't take long at all
Why am I not surprised that you would, of course, mis-read my reply.

[superstein61]

Why am I not surprised that you would, of course, mis-read my reply.
Your reply is quite clear dakrewser. Say what you want but you saying

Or were they just too polite to insult you to your face? is an insult to riskmgr and others who believe as he does

[Orcrone]

Roboat, just to be on the safe side I thought it wise to point out that even though HAL only mentions wearing a jacket and tie, they also would prefer you put some form of attire on your lower half;) .

Just a word of caution so you're not embarrassed in the dining room:D .Great!!! Now I have to go out and buy the other half of the suit. I thought the salesman was just trying to pry some extra money out of me.:o

[RuthC]

...Most of the pax are wearing the type of dress they would wear to church....A word of advice: be real careful with this "would wear to church" part. I've looked around in church a lot and much of what I see there is not appropriate in the dining room or public areas in the evening. I see short-shorts, denim shorts, men in tank tops, etc. Yuck.
I think what is meant by this "in church" reference is more along the lines of dressed up back in the '50's.

[dakrewser]

is an insult to riskmgr and others who believe as he does
Believe that the rules and suggestions aren't for them? Believe that it's their duty to flaunt convention? Which belief are you standing up for?

And, just as a point of reference, in a 2 week cruise on a HAL ship I wear a tie more often than the other 50 weeks in the year combined.

[geoherb]

This isn't ancient history, but quoting from Volendam's Daily program for ...
Thursday, November 9, 2000:

Tonight's Dress Informal:

For Ladies, dresses or blouses and slacks are suggested. For men, jackets required, ties optional.We may be about to book our first HAL cruise. I love formal nights and will carry my tuxedo for them. I don't look forward to informal nights and hate having to pack a sports coat. On the HAL website, it says, "During informal nights, dresses or pantsuits for women and jackets (tie optional) for men are standard." I wish they could get the wording standard. The meaning of standard isn't exactly the same as the meaning of required.

[Roboat]

Maybe it hasn't been a problem for you, but have you asked everyone else in the dining room? Or were they just too polite to insult you to your face?
I'm with you, dave.

We have learned that there are always some "free spirits" trying to make a statement (usually having acquired their unfortunate sense of style in Long Island, where gold **** chains and pinky rigs are de rigeur) who decide that since they were not physically dragged from the dining room (screaming "Off the pigs!") on a formal evening ("and nobody said anything", etc.) they are dressed appropriately. They will whine that dress codes (and speed limit signs) are "suggestions" and carry no importance. Therefore they can dress in halter tops and sequined thongs if they want to. God only knows what the women wear.;)

In all fairness, I think most of the free world agrees that these people are evil and must be destroyed, but that's just my opinion.:)

[RevNeal]

On the HAL website, it says, "During informal nights, dresses or pantsuits for women and jackets (tie optional) for men are standard." I wish they could get the wording standard. The meaning of standard isn't exactly the same as the meaning of required.

Did your mother never tell you to "keep the standards up?" Mine did, and by that she didn't mean that I had any choice in the matter. According to Mr. Websters, when used as an adjective (which is how HAL is using it), it means:

Serving as or conforming to a standard of measurement or value.

Widely recognized or employed as a model of authority or excellence: a standard reference work.

Acceptable but of less than top quality: a standard grade of beef.

Normal, familiar, or usual: the standard excuse.

Commonly used or supplied: standard car equipment.

In one's Daily Program all ambiguity is removed, however -- the word "required" is used. And, at least on the Zaandam this cruise, they MEAN IT. Now, were men dressed without a tie on Formal Night? I saw a few. Christopher was dressed in Nerhu Tux, which is not designed to be worn with a tie ... but he was highly FORMAL with a placket-front shirt and a neck button of gold and diamond. He looked VERY formal. So, it is POSSIBLE -- when wearing a modern tux -- to go without a tie but WITH a closed neck collar.

Go back and read what happened to that one fellow who came to dinner on formal night in casual clothing. Had he come in a dark suit and fashionable silk shirt, I suspect nothing would have been said to him ... he would have been viewed as sufficiently innocuous to not be disruptive to the code.

http://www.revneal.org/zaanreport.jpg

[roohound]

In all fairness, I think most of the free world agrees that these people are evil and must be destroyed, but that's just my opinion.:)

wow :eek:

[Roboat]

Originally Posted by Roboat

In all fairness, I think most of the free world agrees that these people are evil and must be destroyed, but that's just my opinion.:)
Roboat
wow :eek:


Yeah, "destroyed" is probably a little harsh. I shoulda said "ventilated with salad forks by the other diners." :p

[HeatherInFlorida]

Originally Posted by Roboat



Yeah, "destroyed" is probably a little harsh. I shoulda said "ventilated with salad forks by the other diners." :p
Roboat, every now and then it's possible that your particularly spectacular brand of humor (IMHO:D ) is lost on some. But trust it is never lost on me;) and I'm almost always here to enjoy it!

[Roboat]

Roboat, every now and then it's possible that your particularly spectacular brand of humor (IMHO:D ) is lost on some. But trust it is never lost on me;) and I'm almost always here to enjoy it!Thanks, babe. ;)

[Ziggy7]

Great!!! Now I have to go out and buy the other half of the suit. I thought the salesman was just trying to pry some extra money out of me.:o
hahahaha Orcrone I love your humor, dont ever change hehehehe!

[dewhit6959]

Please!!!!!...........I........can't .......talk,....I.........am ...............laughing......

...........so hard..............it hurts......."ventilated with salad forks".................

...........I need a drink of water....................before I choke........................

hehehehehehehehehehehehhhahahahahahahahahahahhahah ahahahahahahaha



Is this activity free or do I need reservations ?

[superstein61]

Believe that the rules and suggestions aren't for them? Believe that it's their duty to flaunt convention? Which belief are you standing up for?

And, just as a point of reference, in a 2 week cruise on a HAL ship I wear a tie more often than the other 50 weeks in the year combined.
Nope - my belief is real simple. no one should get upset or bent out of shape over how someone else dresses. Plain and simple.

if you are shallow and foolish enough to get upset over how another person dresses, you are saying a whole lot about yourself

[Roboat]

Nope - my belief is real simple. no one should get upset or bent out of shape over how someone else dresses. Plain and simple.

if you are shallow and foolish enough to get upset over how another person dresses, you are saying a whole lot about yourselfCool! BTW, thanks for inviting me to your daughter's formal graduation ceremony at Julliard. Will you be wearing your usual Mr. Potato Head outfit? I think I'll opt for just my cowboy chaps and a light coat of oil, since we'll be attending the opera afterward. :D

[superstein61]

Cool! BTW, thanks for inviting me to your daughter's formal graduation ceremony at Julliard. Will you be wearing your usual Mr. Potato Head outfit? I think I'll opt for just my cowboy chaps and a light coat of oil, since we'll be attending the opera afterward. :DHmmm - Cowboy Chaps - how refreshing for you. And to think that I thought you would just pull out your well worn jackass costume again. glad to see your tastes have evolved :D

[Roboat]

Hmmm - Cowboy Chaps - how refreshing for you. And to think that I thought you would just pull out your well worn jackass costume again. glad to see your tastes have evolved :D
:D Nice!

[dakrewser]

Nope - my belief is real simple. no one should get upset or bent out of shape over how someone else dresses. Plain and simple.

if you are shallow and foolish enough to get upset over how another person dresses, you are saying a whole lot about yourself
And you still refuse to see that it isn't a question of my caring how a person dresses. I don't. The activity I object to is flaunting conventions. Conventions are the things which make us civilized. Lose the conventions and you lose civilization. The conventions are something we agree to abide by. Different societies have different conventions and people should seek out those societies whoose conventions they are in accord with.

In terms of the convention (i.e., dress) we're discussing here, for example, I've never felt the need to wear a dinner jacket on any cruise ship on which I've sailed. If, however, I wanted to sail on a line which mandated black tie for dinner, then I would abide by that convention - or forego that cruise. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

-dave

[HeatherInFlorida]

And you still refuse to see that it isn't a question of my caring how a person dresses. I don't. The activity I object to is flaunting conventions. Conventions are the things which make us civilized. Lose the conventions and you lose civilization. The conventions are something we agree to abide by. Different societies have different conventions and people should seek out those societies whoose conventions they are in accord with.

In terms of the convention (i.e., dress) we're discussing here, for example, I've never felt the need to wear a dinner jacket on any cruise ship on which I've sailed. If, however, I wanted to sail on a line which mandated black tie for dinner, then I would abide by that convention - or forego that cruise. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

-dave
I've stayed out of this one for obvious reasons and it's been gone over so many times, but I just have to weigh in to applaud your response, Dave. It is so clear, so well said, and so on point that I can't imagine anyone having an argument with it.

But they will;) .

[dakrewser]

so on point that I can't imagine anyone having an argument with it.

But they will;) .
Well, not naming any names, but there are people who post here without ever giving positive advice or feedback but insist on jumping all over others. There are also some strongly opinionated folks who do help out their fellow cruisers with advice, suggestions and some research. We could use a lot more of the latter!

-dave

[superstein61]

And you still refuse to see that it isn't a question of my caring how a person dresses. I don't. The activity I object to is flaunting conventions. Conventions are the things which make us civilized. Lose the conventions and you lose civilization. The conventions are something we agree to abide by. Different societies have different conventions and people should seek out those societies whoose conventions they are in accord with.

In terms of the convention (i.e., dress) we're discussing here, for example, I've never felt the need to wear a dinner jacket on any cruise ship on which I've sailed. If, however, I wanted to sail on a line which mandated black tie for dinner, then I would abide by that convention - or forego that cruise. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

-dave
Hmmm - lets see - me not wearing a coat and tie on a cruise is gonna be the end of civilization . I'll have to think about that the next time I don't follow the suggested dress.

oh wait - by definition, if I already did this and civilization did not end - that ahhh, would mean you are wrong, wouldn't it. Yep.

[superstein61]

I've stayed out of this one for obvious reasons and it's been gone over so many times, but I just have to weigh in to applaud your response, Dave. It is so clear, so well said, and so on point that I can't imagine anyone having an argument with it.

But they will;) .
Oh Dear Heather - are you no longer ignoring me now? ;)

[HeatherInFlorida]

Here's the problem, Superstein. I do have you on my "ignore" list...you and 2 others. As you know I didn't want to do that since I often enjoy your posts, but I really was getting upset by things you said and there's no point in that as I'm sure you'll agree.

Unfortunately, the "ignore" list does not stop posts from getting into my email notifications so from time to time I see them.

However, in this case I did not. But Dave quoted you so I saw that and I was reacting to Dave's response because I thought it was fantastic and succinct.

Hate to disappoint, but I can usually guess at what you've said:D . I'm a pretty smart kid and have gotten to know you pretty well, I think. I've known all along where you stand on dress code and truthfully I'm puzzled why you don't do the Windjammer cruises where you could actually go barefoot if you want like:) .

[RISKMGR]

Believe that the rules and suggestions aren't for them? Believe that it's their duty to flaunt convention? Which belief are you standing up for?

And, just as a point of reference, in a 2 week cruise on a HAL ship I wear a tie more often than the other 50 weeks in the year combined.

No you have it wrong I have no duty to stand up to your small mindedness......and I am sure after seeing your picture that no one would dare insult you to your face. But I will. you are imposing your perceptions upon us. I will wear what I wear and not tell you what you should wear. Lets keep it that way.

[RISKMGR]

I am with you there Riskmgr - although I am sure there are some yahoo's here who will respond with some insult toward your approach
Superstein ....Let them Quack and Hee Haw....we know what they are...I think you covered that already !

[RISKMGR]

Well, not naming any names, but there are people who post here without ever giving positive advice or feedback but insist on jumping all over others. There are also some strongly opinionated folks who do help out their fellow cruisers with advice, suggestions and some research. We could use a lot more of the latter!

-dave
Why, you must be talking about yourself again!

[estj]

OK...after all of these messages...have all of you forgotten WHY you are cruising? It's for the the enjoyment of the moment! (this IS vacation for most of us!) ...so if someone wants to show up on formal night in jeans...that's their perference. I'll be in a formal outfit. And if we are at the same table...I trust that we will have the same stimulating discussions we had on informal nights!
Cass

[Ashie]

I was really surprised by the variety of clothes worn on the Ryndam Alaskan cruise Sept 24-29. Since it was our first cruise, I dragged my dear husband out to buy sports jacket and pants, ties, shirts, (already had a nice suit) and bought some fancy stuff for myself. Although the majority of people dressed up beautifully for the formal night, several came as though they were going hiking and all kinds of outfits showed up for the informal night. Perhaps they should call the informal night "semi-formal" because I don't think everyone understood that jeans weren't ok in the dining room.
Anyway, we had a ball dressing up - how many occasions are there in daily life that you can feel glamorous and special. I loved everything about the cruise and so did my husband. I think he even enjoyed dressing up!

[serendipity1499]

I'm with you, dave.

We have learned that there are always some "free spirits" trying to make a statement (usually having acquired their unfortunate sense of style in Long Island, where gold **** chains and pinky rigs are de rigeur) who decide that since they were not physically dragged from the dining room (screaming "Off the pigs!") on a formal evening ("and nobody said anything", etc.) they are dressed appropriately. They will whine that dress codes (and speed limit signs) are "suggestions" and carry no importance. Therefore they can dress in halter tops and sequined thongs if they want to. God only knows what the women wear.;)

In all fairness, I think most of the free world agrees that these people are evil and must be destroyed, but that's just my opinion.:)

I was going to stay out of this discussion, but frankly I am INSULTED by this post & your comment about people from Long Island..My DH & I were born, & raised on Long Island, N.Y...We lived & associated with very refined & honest people & do not dress in "gold **** chains, sequined thongs" etc. as you seem to insinuate Long Islanders are apt to do..We also don't believe that "Speed Limits" are Suggestions either..

I retired from the the travel business after 35 years..We have travelled extensively, have been invited into private homes all over the world & attended many formal functions..In addition, we always try to adhere to the SUGGESTED dress code...However, we would not be offended if others look or dress differently than we do..Our vacation could never be ruined, because someone else chose not to dress as Suggested! We have much better things to do on Cruises without worrying about the next person!

I'm amazed that others on this thread did not comment or wonder about the person that would suggest "these people are evil & must be destroyed".. I'm inclined to believe that most people would consider your remarks as bigotry in it's worst form..That's what causes Wars!.

I have never been as insulted nor would I ever insult someone the way you have done..I was taught & am obliged to stand up to prejudice in any form..

Betty

[superstein61]

so if someone wants to show up on formal night in jeans...that's their perference. I'll be in a formal outfit. And if we are at the same table...I trust that we will have the same stimulating discussions we had on informal nights!
CassWhat a refreshing attitude Cass !!! I'd be happy to dine with you anyday

[superstein61]

IHowever, we would not be offended if others look or dress differently than we do..Our vacation could never be ruined, because someone else chose not to dress as Suggested! We have much better things to do on Cruises without worrying about the next person!

I'm amazed that others on this thread did not comment or wonder about the person that would suggest "these people are evil & must be destroyed".. I'm inclined to believe that most people would consider your remarks as bigotry in it's worst form..That's what causes Wars!.

I have never been as insulted nor would I ever insult someone the way you have done..I was taught & am obliged to stand up to prejudice in any form..

Betty
Well Said Betty !!!!!

[dakrewser]

I was going to let it drop. But then I though, nah, if I do then the terrorists would win. (That's sarcasm, folks).

I don't really care what anyone wears into the dining room. Come in nekkid with a flower on your, um, head for all I care.

What I do object to is people who feel they are above the rules and conventions. People who are arrogant enough to feel that they alone can chose when to conform and when not to. And, sorry Marc, I know you were also being sarcastic but they don't all live on Long Island. If only that were true!

So wear what you want into the dining room. Sit at my table. I won't snub you, I'll converse as if nothing is amiss. But when the Maitre d' asks you to leave, I'll stand up and cheer...

-dave

[HeatherInFlorida]

I'm amazed that others on this thread did not comment or wonder about the person that would suggest "these people are evil & must be destroyed".. I'm inclined to believe that most people would consider your remarks as bigotry in it's worst form..That's what causes Wars!.

I have never been as insulted nor would I ever insult someone the way you have done..I was taught & am obliged to stand up to prejudice in any form..

BettyBetty, Roboat never meant to insult you. He has a very strange sense of humor ... one which is very sarcastic and also overexaggerated. I guess you kind of have to "know him" to love him;) . He never meant people were "evil & must be destroyed". It's sarcastic exaggeration.

The reason no one commented on his remarks was because most of those who've read Roboat's posts in the past know that this is his form of humor. While sarcasm always has a thread of truth running through it, I can promise you he never meant for you take what he said literally.

[Roboat]

I was going to stay out of this discussion, but frankly I am INSULTED by this post & your comment about people from Long Island..My DH & I were born, & raised on Long Island, N.Y...We lived & associated with very refined & honest people & do not dress in "gold **** chains, sequined thongs" etc. as you seem to insinuate Long Islanders are apt to do..We also don't believe that "Speed Limits" are Suggestions either..

I retired from the the travel business after 35 years..We have travelled extensively, have been invited into private homes all over the world & attended many formal functions..In addition, we always try to adhere to the SUGGESTED dress code...However, we would not be offended if others look or dress differently than we do..Our vacation could never be ruined, because someone else chose not to dress as Suggested! We have much better things to do on Cruises without worrying about the next person!

I'm amazed that others on this thread did not comment or wonder about the person that would suggest "these people are evil & must be destroyed".. I'm inclined to believe that most people would consider your remarks as bigotry in it's worst form..That's what causes Wars!.

I have never been as insulted nor would I ever insult someone the way you have done..I was taught & am obliged to stand up to prejudice in any form..

BettyFirst of all, thank you Heather.

I'd really wanted to see what Riskmgr had to say, since my post was actually a once-removed response to his post. More about that later.

Betty, you gotta pay attention. Someone DID object to my comment that "these people are evil and must be destroyed," which prompted me, after a thorough examination of conscience, to amend the statement to "these people are evil and should be ventilated with salad forks." Yet I get no credit from you for showing benevolence.

Now, about Long Island... continued

[geoherb]

In one's Daily Program all ambiguity is removed, however -- the word "required" is used.
I know what standard means. It would just be easier for passengers if HAL could get the wording the same everywhere--in a way that leaves no leeway for interpretation. Required would be my choice. And by the time passengers read required in the daily program, it's too late if they did not pack anything appropriate.

Of course, jacket is another ambiguous word. I know they mean sports coat and not windbreaker.

[Roboat]

So, Betty: Riskmgr says in his post that he "can't drive 55 mph or wear a tie" - which speaks volumes about his respect for civil behavior. So that's why I threw in the speed limit part.

Now, I would have also welcomed a response from an earlier poster (ET), who I'm pretty sure is attached to riskmgr. ET has been amusingly militant about wearing t-shirts to formal affairs, saying her DH wears t-shirts all the time and "they are considered very stylish in Long Island." Well, that's just too good to pass up.

People who live in and around New York City, in my opinion, do have a different sense of style. In fact, I actually sometimes like it, compared to the bland dress in the DC area where I spent 40 years.

I do applaud you for standing up against the stereotyping of Long Islanders. That's got to be a pretty big job. But I'm not prejudiced. I'd like to think I tease everyone equally, regardless of race, creed, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or veteran status. But some people just beg for it, so I do give them preference.

[HeatherInFlorida]

......But I'm not prejudiced. I'd like to think I tease everyone equally, regardless of race, creed, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or veteran status.... Roboat, not to worry ... you do;) !!!

It is too bad Betty came along when she did and seemed only to read your post. Because had she read all the posts she would have realized that in reality she, too, was expressing a "prejudice" of sorts toward you and that there was plenty of it to go around IF that's how you choose to read an amusingly expressed opinion.

Personally, as most of you know, I'm tired of political correctness and think life just isn't a whole lot of fun anymore when you can't playfully poke a little fun:D now and then. Anyone watched a good comedian lately? That's what they do ... that's what makes them funny.

As for me ... and though I've not said it before and nobody asked;) ... I really don't care what anyone wears in the dining room. I do believe in convention and if I'm going to board a Holland America ship then I'm going to dress as they "suggest". But I really could care less if someone wants to look out of place and dress otherwise. If it doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother me. But since HAL has set their standard, they have every right to request the diner return appropriately dressed:) .

[serendipity1499]

Heather, why do you assume I did not read the entire thread..I read every post on this thread & still took it as an insult..If you think I am prejudiced against Roboat you should re-read my post..I was Insulted, & did not enjoy his prejudiced remarks about "Long Islanders"! I do have a sense of humor & I'm not trying to be "Politically Correct"...However, I don't tolerate those kind of remarks in my own house, so why should I sit back & pretend that they are ok here!..Yes, I did say that I was amazed that others did not pick up on the kind of person that would make such Hurtful Remarks, & I'm still amazed that others would defend him!

Children in our community, have the "Police" patrolling their school corridors, because of some who have "Playfully Poked" FUN & HURT others! Perhaps you have never experienced this hurt, but I've seen it & also experienced it! Our Children & Grandchildren learn from adults & if we tolerate it (even in jest), we are just as Hurtful!

Roboat..How was I to know that you were joking about a former post from "ET" (not on this thread)..I've been on this board for more than 2 1/2 years & don't consider myself a "newbie" but I believe that many "newbies" could not possibly know that your post was in Jest..Perhaps we should consider them when posting! I'm still not laughing, even though I read the post that said "WOW" & your change...

Ok, enough said by me, & time to get off my soapbox..

Betty

[Roboat]

However, I don't tolerate those kind of remarks in my own house, so why should I sit back & pretend that they are ok here!
And with that incredibly twisted logic, I can't believe you even read your OWN posts! :)

Hey, I am sorry that you managed to take actual honest-to-goodness offense at my teasing of "New Yorkers of the eastern persuasion," and I shan't do it again. Let's just fuggeddabowdit. :cool:

[allen.crawford]

I think the "naturists" have it right! Going without clothes would solve everything!! No need to have these "discussions" (which at times regress into insult matches) and we could all pack lighter!!

[RuthC]

Of course, jacket is another ambiguous word. I know they mean sports coat and not windbreaker.You do; not so everyone!
On my South America cruise one man did come to formal nights in a windbreaker. He wore black pants, a white shirt w/black bow tie, and a black windbreaker! Said he didn't bring any dress-up clothes with him, but didn't dare come to the table without making an attempt. At least he did try.

As far as the "naturists" idea---well, that might kill a lot of appetites!

[allen.crawford]

[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=blue]As far as the "naturists" idea---well, that might kill a lot of appetites!


Might be better than the Atkins diet! (you can name it after us, if you like)

:)

[Sailure]

I will try to remember how to tie a tie! As a real estate agent that lives on a lake & sells lake homes, I dress for work in Hawaiian shirts, shorts & boat mocs much of the year. Our upcoming cruise will be the first time I have to wear a jacket or tie (or tie one) since our last cruise... I will break down, however & work within "the rules".

Jackets & ties just don't work when you are showing lakefront homes from a pontoon!
That's like those of us who live beachside in Florida. We consider white jeans to be formal and blue jeans informal and cutoffs and berks casual.:D

[The_Hall_Monitor]

Well, not naming any names, but there are people who post here without ever giving positive advice or feedback but insist on jumping all over others. There are also some strongly opinionated folks who do help out their fellow cruisers with advice, suggestions and some research. We could use a lot more of the latter!Dave, have you thought of the number of posters who have been driven away from Cruise Critics by those who have no other outlet for their fury than here?

To do some research takes effort. Why would anyone in their right mind bother knowing the response they will receive?

[dakrewser]

Dave, have you thought of the number of posters who have been driven away from Cruise Critics by those who have no other outlet for their fury than here?
Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about that...


-dave

[HeatherInFlorida]

To do some research takes effort. Why would anyone in their right mind bother knowing the response they will receive?Huh?:confused: I don't understand this question. I don't think Dave was suggesting that people research the answer to their own query. I believe he meant the person who answers may research it.

I know that I have known a little something about some questions on these boards and have further researched it in order to give a more intelligent answer ... often providing a link to more information. So I don't think Dave's point was off the mark at all.

Am I missing something here?

[Roadwork]

:D I think the horse has been beaten to death with those gold **** chains.

[ekerr19]

So, Betty: Riskmgr says in his post that he "can't drive 55 mph or wear a tie" - which speaks volumes about his respect for civil behavior. So that's why I threw in the speed limit part.

Now, I would have also welcomed a response from an earlier poster (ET), who I'm pretty sure is attached to riskmgr. ET has been amusingly militant about wearing t-shirts to formal affairs, saying her DH wears t-shirts all the time and "they are considered very stylish in Long Island." Well, that's just too good to pass up.

People who live in and around New York City, in my opinion, do have a different sense of style. In fact, I actually sometimes like it, compared to the bland dress in the DC area where I spent 40 years.

I do applaud you for standing up against the stereotyping of Long Islanders. That's got to be a pretty big job. But I'm not prejudiced. I'd like to think I tease everyone equally, regardless of race, creed, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or veteran status. But some people just beg for it, so I do give them preference.

Roboat-

You are most observant... several of us concluded months ago ET and RISK are one and the same... nice to know we were not alone. :D

Boy - this thread sure has been, um, interesting!

[superstein61]

I was going to let it drop. But then I though, nah, if I do then the terrorists would win. (That's sarcasm, folks).


So wear what you want into the dining room. Sit at my table. I won't snub you, I'll converse as if nothing is amiss. But when the Maitre d' asks you to leave, I'll stand up and cheer...

-dave
Hmmm - so what you are saying is you are not genuine. That you will blast people here for their dress thoughts - but not have the guts to do so face to face at your table.

Yet if someone else calls someone at your table out for their dress - you will stand up and cheer.

Sounds to me you are someone who lacks courage in your convictions. If you criticize someone on board here for something - why wouldn't you do so face to face?

[Roboat]

ekerr - Risk and ET the same actual person! Who'd a thunk it?!!! Oh wait. You guys did. I may be error-prone and forgetful, but I'm slow to catch on. :)


Yeah, this has been quite a thread, considering my initial question: Did HAL change the dress code? Especially when the simple answer is "No, Dummy!"

Let's let it die it's horrid death. No response necessary.

[Orcrone]

I was going to let it drop. But then I though, nah, if I do then the terrorists would win. (That's sarcasm, folks).

I don't really care what anyone wears into the dining room. Come in nekkid with a flower on your, um, head for all I care.

What I do object to is people who feel they are above the rules and conventions. People who are arrogant enough to feel that they alone can chose when to conform and when not to. And, sorry Marc, I know you were also being sarcastic but they don't all live on Long Island. If only that were true!

So wear what you want into the dining room. Sit at my table. I won't snub you, I'll converse as if nothing is amiss. But when the Maitre d' asks you to leave, I'll stand up and cheer...

-daveHow'd I get dragged into this.:eek:

I only posted about having to go back and purchase the bottom half of my suit, and haven't been to this thread in a week. I think this was supposed to be directed at Roboat.

BTW, I'm originally from Brooklyn which is physically connected to Long Island, However, I wouldn't admit in public (oops, I guess I just did).

[HeatherInFlorida]

Well, color me confused. Marc, I couldn't figure why Dave referred to you either and then I thought maybe Roboat's name was Marc as well!!!:D And who the heck is ET? I just read the entire thread again and couldn't find the "earlier poster ET". Maybe Roboat meant another thread? Is this a conspiracy to make me crazy?:p

[dakrewser]

Hmmm - so what you are saying is you are not genuine. That you will blast people here for their dress thoughts - but not have the guts to do so face to face at your table.

Yet if someone else calls someone at your table out for their dress - you will stand up and cheer.

Sounds to me you are someone who lacks courage in your convictions. If you criticize someone on board here for something - why wouldn't you do so face to face?
You persist in (I can only think) deliberately misunderstanding me. So here it is spelled out in steps even you should be able to understand:

1) I personally don't care what you wear
2) I very much care that you abide by the rules of the cruise line

Got that?

[ekerr19]

Well, color me confused. Marc, I couldn't figure why Dave referred to you either and then I thought maybe Roboat's name was Marc as well!!!:D And who the heck is ET? I just read the entire thread again and couldn't find the "earlier poster ET". Maybe Roboat meant another thread? Is this a conspiracy to make me crazy?:p

Heather-

It was on another thread - Dave (I think) and I (along with a few others) concluded ET (etrainer) and RISK (Riskmgr) were either related - or one and the same person - ET was taking a beating by a few posters for some pretty flip remarks about the dress code and all of a sudden RISK came to the rescue saying he'd know ET for 30+ yrs and she dressed better than most cruisers they'd ever cruised with on their 30+ cruises.... It was funny because RISK had just joined CC that day and it was his 2nd or 3rd post.

There was a similar situation on a lifeboat drill thread where ET was getting flamed for stating she stays in her cabin during the drill - along came RISK, to the rescue! :)

[RuthC]

I must have missed those threads, but that isn't the first time I've suspected one person to have multiple identities.
Probably won't be the last.

[Orcrone]

I must have missed those threads, but that isn't the first time I've suspected one person to have multiple identities.
Probably won't be the last. I don't know about multiple identities, but I can believe multiple personalities.

No you can't.

Yes I can.

I thought I told you both to stop this bickering.

[Roboat]

Well, color me confused. Marc, I couldn't figure why Dave referred to you either and then I thought maybe Roboat's name was Marc as well!!!:D And who the heck is ET? I just read the entire thread again and couldn't find the "earlier poster ET". Maybe Roboat meant another thread? Is this a conspiracy to make me crazy?:p
OMG, this getting hilarious! :D Like one of those Victorian DVD's from Netflix my wife has to explain to me. "No, Roboat. The guy in the carriage is Farnsworth's adopted brother, the one who married the Vicar's lover? They bought the estate? She was Reginald's tutor? .. Oh fergawd's sake. Just go make some popcorn!"

I don't even know who Marc is, and I'm NOT going back to look.

ET was from another thread - I would never disclose her real name, which rhymes with BeeTrainer, but I thought "ET" was more appropriate for some reason, and I understood that movie.

Orcrone, I feel for ya man. There you were, innocently sitting in the main dining room, no pants, awaiting another Dutch lobster volcano, and - POOF! You gotta feel like Twilight Zone! Want a nuoc mam martini?

[Orcrone]

Orcrone, I feel for ya man. There you were, innocently sitting in the main dining room, no pants, awaiting another Dutch lobster volcano, and - POOF! You gotta feel like Twilight Zone! Want a nuoc mam martini?Well, instead of formal, I thought I would dress semi-formal.

Marc

[merryecho]

Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day wondering what ryhmes with beetrainer.

[Roboat]

Well, instead of formal, I thought I would dress semi-formal.

Marc:D :D Excellent!!!!!!!

Oh Orcrone, YOU'RE Marc - sorry!

[Orcrone]

:D :D Excellent!!!!!!!

Oh Orcrone, YOU'RE Marc - sorry!I often feel bad that I am me.:confused:

[ekerr19]

Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day wondering what ryhmes with beetrainer.

Her posting name is eTrainer, but some refer to her in the shortened version, ET... :D

Not sure if it is because of the abbreviation or because some of the posts are "way out there" - sorry, Ellen - but some of them are pretty funny. :)

I think the "e" stands for Ellen, hence the reference.

[superstein61]

You persist in (I can only think) deliberately misunderstanding me. So here it is spelled out in steps even you should be able to understand:

1) I personally don't care what you wear
2) I very much care that you abide by the rules of the cruise line

Got that?Actually I understand the English language exceptionally well. Perhaps it is you who is not very clear in what you write.

When you say So wear what you want into the dining room. Sit at my table. I won't snub you, I'll converse as if nothing is amiss. But when the Maitre d' asks you to leave, I'll stand up and cheer...its very clear indeed. Spin it how you like - you are willing to argue with someone here on what they wear - but won't do so in person - which IMHO doesn't make you very genuine or show that you really believe in your convictions.

If you didn't mean that in your initial quote - well then you should learn to express yourself more clearly

[Orcrone]

I actually find this all very amusing. I'm sensing lots of testosterone flying all over the place here, with people ready to rip each other's throats out. The ironic thing is I'm also picturing sitting on a cruise ship eating dinner with Dakrewser and Roboat on one side of me and Superstein and Riskmgr on the other. It's the first night of the cruise, none of us realize that we're sitting with fellow CC members and having a grand old time. After all, first night is casual.

But then the next evening comes along and it's formal evening on the whateverdam. Even though everyone had a great time the night before, I think I'll be heading to the Pinnacle. I'd hate to be subpoenaed in a criminal case.;)

[dakrewser]

I don't even know who Marc is, and I'm NOT going back to look.
Well, I was squinting and you looked remarkably like Orcrone. You did have pants on, didn't you?:)

-dave

[dakrewser]

Actually I understand the English language exceptionally well. Perhaps it is you who is not very clear in what you write.Now that one is funny. Would you like references from my editors, publishers, or readers?

:) -dave

[HeatherInFlorida]

I really mean it when I say I just love all you guys! You're hysterical. Sadly, I'm not seeing SS's posts because I ignore him, but it still reads just fine.

Marc, at that table you're talking about at least we'd all know you once you got up ... being that there would be nothing on your bottom half:D .

But now I'm thinking that I could come on as a number of different people and have conversations with myself. Who knows? I might get so angry I'd end up ignoring myself and that could really be messy!!! Not to mention confusing:p .

Although I don't see how that works because when I sign on here it welcomes me as me and I'm not sure how I could be someone else.

Oh well!!!:eek:

[superstein61]

I actually find this all very amusing. I'm sensing lots of testosterone flying all over the place here, with people ready to rip each other's throats out. The ironic thing is I'm also picturing sitting on a cruise ship eating dinner with Dakrewser and Roboat on one side of me and Superstein and Riskmgr on the other. It's the first night of the cruise, none of us realize that we're sitting with fellow CC members and having a grand old time. After all, first night is casual.

But then the next evening comes along and it's formal evening on the whateverdam. Even though everyone had a great time the night before, I think I'll be heading to the Pinnacle. I'd hate to be subpoenaed in a criminal case.;)
LOL :D :D :D

But at least I would be comfortable if they throw me in the brig. Dakrewser and Roboat would still be in their monkey suits ;)

[superstein61]

Now that one is funny. Would you like references from my editors, publishers, or readers?

:) -dave
Hmmm - you have readers? and publishers? Guess PT Barnum was right :D

[superstein61]

I really mean it when I say I just love all you guys! You're hysterical. Sadly, I'm not seeing SS's posts because I ignore him,
You really don't know what you are missing Dear heather ;)

[sopa]

I bet she's not able to resist peeking, SS!

[Roboat]

LOL :D :D :D

But at least I would be comfortable if they throw me in the brig. Dakrewser and Roboat would still be in their monkey suits ;)
Hah! You say that now, but you'll be sorry you were thrown in the brig (again). For you fail to realize that my other identity is Julia Roberts, and both of us will be sitting on my own lap! Too bad for you, ha ha! ;)

[Orcrone]

Roboat - So that's a med cruise. I bet everyone would get back and post glowing reviews.

It's obvious to me that after the first formal night with Roboat, Dakrewser, Superstein and Riskmgr, I'll have a table all by myself in the dining room (but I'll visit you guys in the brig).:D

Actually, do cruise ships have brigs, or any kind of secure holding area?

[dakrewser]

Actually, do cruise ships have brigs, or any kind of secure holding area?
Indeed they do. Not that I've seen it myself, but Superstein described it to me.....

:) -dave

[Orcrone]

Indeed they do. Not that I've seen it myself, but Superstein described it to me.....

:) -daveYou're baaadddd!!!!!

[superstein61]

Indeed they do. Not that I've seen it myself, but Superstein described it to me.....

:) -dave
For once Dave speaketh the truth - Dave had asked about where he would sleep when he tried to stow-away instead of paying on an upcoming cruise and I described the ship's brig to him since I had seen it on a tour of the ship

I actually felt sorry for him and was going to give him the cash so he could actually pay this time - but my better judgement prevailed :D

[Orcrone]

Everyone who would like to see this, please raise your hand.

Superstein and Dakrewser, for whatever unknown reason, sail on HAL's single share program, and get to room together. Now wouldn't that be interesting?:D ;)

[RuthC]

Everyone who would like to see this, please raise your hand.

Superstein and Dakrewser, for whatever unknown reason, sail on HAL's single share program, and get to room together. Now wouldn't that be interesting?:D ;)And you said I was badddddddd! ;) ;) ;)

(consider my hand raised)

[Orcrone]

And you said I was badddddddd! ;) ;) ;)

(consider my hand raised)Just because I'm bad, doesn't mean you're not bad.

BTW, I'll try to have some Halloween chocolate for you on my Halloween cruise.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Everyone who would like to see this, please raise your hand.

Superstein and Dakrewser, for whatever unknown reason, sail on HAL's single share program, and get to room together. Now wouldn't that be interesting?:D ;)http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/babes-kids/clips/clip-girl

[Roboat]

http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/babes-kids/clips/clip-girl
Nice bod!;)

[HeatherInFlorida]

Nice bod!;)
You're supposed to focus on the raised hand, not the appropriately covered body:D .

[dakrewser]

Superstein and Dakrewser, for whatever unknown reason, sail on HAL's single share program, and get to room together. Now wouldn't that be interesting?:D ;)
Interesting? Only if you don't bore easily. After all, I'd be at Dutch night, he'd be at the BBQ. I'd be at Formal Night, he'd be in the brig.....

:rolleyes:

[RuthC]

BTW, I'll try to have some Halloween chocolate for you on my Halloween cruise.Thanks, Marc. I knew I could count on you. What a pal! :D

[Orcrone]

Thanks, Marc. I knew I could count on you. What a pal! :D I don't think you know what a sacrifice this will be. I have to have my chocolate and your chocolate.

[Orcrone]

Roboat and Heather,

Nice pictures!!!!

[Host Walt]

This thread is closed. The original subject has been addressed and the thread has drifted.