Host Chris please remove all my posts !

[Ziggy7]

To those of you who shared your wealth of infomation and made my cruises really enyoyable, I thank you and hope all your upcomming cruises will be just as wonderful. To those of you I have offened, I am sorry. Be assured I wont be offending you any farther because I will not be posting on this board.

Thank you :)

[bepsf]

Here's one guy who doesn't wanna see Ziggy go...

:(

[Pudgesmom]

Ziggy,

Thank you your apology. I'm sorry you're leaving. Apparently, the differences of opnion were too strong. I think you may be leaving too hastily. You are caught in Greenpeace meets photo op.

Beth

[Given to Sail]

NO!!!! :eek:

There is no reason for you to go or even apologize. I am certain that the majority of the board is happy for your contributions - ALL of them.

(I have been lurking here for a while. So despite my low number of posts you can count on my educated opinion on this!)

[skippycruises]

What ever happened to freedom of speech? If you must go...Thank You Ziggy 7 Loved your posts!!!:}

[L2J]

To those of you who shared your wealth of infomation and made my cruises really enyoyable, I thank you and hope all your upcomming cruises will be just as wonderful. To those of you I have offened, I am sorry. Be assured I wont be offending you any farther because I will not be posting on this board.

Thank you :)
Kind of premature....don't you think?

[Sage]

Ziggy,

My, one leaves the board for a few hours, and I'm totally unsure of what is going on. I do know that I will miss your postings and hope that you will reconsider your leaving.

[LAFFNVEGAS]

Ziggy, there is no reason to leave the board for this. We have all felt like we were flamed at one time or another. I certainly hope you did not take my comment as flaming I just said it was also sad. Sometimes what we type and think does not come across as how it was intended. Best thing is just go on like nothing has happened. Please do not take it personally.

[JohnR49er]

Find it hard to take anything on the boards personally, since I 've never met 99.9% of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I would stay. :cool:

[iluvcruzin]

Ziggy.. Don't sweat the differences of opinion. If we all agreed on everything the board would be way too boring to visit.

[dakrewser]

http://www.furallover.com/%5Cphoto%5C/miss%20you%204.jpg -dave

[pollux]

Ziggy, Don't Leave....i Have Been Flamed And Also Flamed For Bad Grammer. Take It With A Grain Of Salt And Enjoy This Board. There Is A Lot Of Good Information. Happy Cruising.

[CanSail]

Ziggy,
Your posts are fun and informative, I have always enjoyed your sense of humour.
I hope you don't stop posting because many of us would miss you.
CanSail

[Peter D]

Ziggy.......counting the votes so far, the landslide response indicates that you should reconsider and continue to be a worthwhile and much appreciated contributor to this site. Please stay.

[xpcdoojk]

I think you are being a tad melodramatic. There is really no reason to leave, nor is there a reason to ask for all of your postings to be removed.

Some people share your sense of humor some don't it is not a big deal. Like, Jim, said all of us feel like we are the target of negative energy at one time or another, so don't sweat it when the flames start flying.;)

jc

[saltydog28]

http://www.furallover.com/%5Cphoto%5C/miss%20you%204.jpg -dave


Dave-- where did you get the picture of the dog??? It looks close enough to be my BIG GIRL-Chyna. I can't post a picture because I'm at my daughters' in VA. ( I'm watching the pooper. Oh! I mean my granddaughter.) I should be back by end of the week. I'll ask a different daughter to post it. By then this post should be long gone so it won't be relivent.~~spell check~~Oh...Yeah...
cruising...I'm suppose to go on a cruise with all of my daughters in '06 and we can't bring the dogs.
Take care,
Pat.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Okay, I haven't even read this thread yet because I'm so astounded. What happened? What did I miss? When did Ziggy ever offend anyone? I'm stupified.

Whatever it is, Ziggy, take a break if you like (if you remember I did that recently) and then come back.

You are one of the least problematical posters on here. I can't imagine what happened. Now I'll go back, read the thread, and see if I can figure this out.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Okay, being the instant researcher that I am I've discovered what happened. Ziggy, maybe your choice of words was not the best but just try to put it behind you and move on.

As to the actual link being posted, I personally did not wish to view it but that was left to me to decide. I cry when they kill an chipmunk in a movie, for heaven's sake ... that's how pathetic I am.

Having gotten to know Ziggy on these boards for quite some time, I know she is not in any way heartless and certainly didn't mean any harm by her post. If you want to argue with anyone about it, take it up with Brian. Had it not been for his remark Ziggy never would have been prompted to reply as she did.

Let it go, Ziggy ...

[CruisinNana]

Well, I sure as H--- don't know what's going on, but I hate to see anyone leave the boards. Z, I hope you will keep posting.
Dee

[DFD1]

Ziggy, Give it a second thought. This board is just like most of life. "There are them that matter and them that don't." Do not let "them that don't" get you down.

Most of us are here to learn and, maybe, contribute a scrap of useful information for someone else.

Those who get their panties in a wad about "whatever" just don't matter. Don't let them drive you away.

[jcike1980]

ziggy: I also have enjoyed your posts. Stick around, life is too short. Whatever you decide to do I wish you the best. jcike

[xpcdoojk]

Once again, Heather has posted with great clarity and insight. I would follow her advice if it was me Ziggy.


jc

[dakrewser]

Dave-- where did you get the picture of the dog??? It looks close enough to be my BIG GIRL-Chyna.
Start at http://www.furallover.com/

:) -dave

[Ziggy7]

I'm sorry everyone, I am an emotional mess right now( having just lost my good friend in a car accident) and it has nothing to do with these posts, I should not have come on here today but I just came on for something to do other than mourn my loss. I did use the wrong word for my meaning and I'm sorry, thats what I get for trying to be a hip grandma :) I always told my kids that their hip lango would get them into trouble one day, and here I am eating my words. I thank you all for you encouragement and kind words, normally this would not have bothered me as much, as I do believe we all have choices and some may not like mine. Again I'm sorry to all I offeneded with my choice of words, I meant no offense to anyone, encluding the whale.
I will be taking a few days from posting but will check in from time to time to read everyones posts, I think I'm addicted to this board and all the wonderful people on here :) Please everyone, let this drop and have a wonderful evening, get back to posting the good posts!

[ekerr19]

ziggy-

I am so sorry for your loss. I hope you are doing ok.

I feel must say, I also chose not to look at the photos, as my kids could tell you, I am also a big baby. I ran our Surburban off the road trying avoid hitting a baby squirrel, it caused damage to the vehicle and I didn't care. I hate to see any animal (or person) hurt or injured in any way, shape or form.

I think that you meant well, I'm sorry this has turned out this way - maybe if everyone just takes a step back (and a deep breath) we can start all over. :)

I have enjoyed your posts and hope you continue to contribute. I know you meant no harm, nor offense.

[arzz]

Ziggy don't let the hostility that often surfaces on this board get you down -- the pictures document a very unusual and unfortunate occurance -- there are some that are interested in it for that reason only -- it is a scientific curiousity as it is definitely not normal and certainly should be studied, not ignored, so it can be determined how and why it could happen. NO ONE was forced to look at them so what is THEIR problem? Because is it offensive to some they should have the right to dicate what we all must choose?

Don't let others get you down -- exercise your freedom to think and have your own opinions and if others misunderstand you that is their issue -- I do believe that most took the postings in the spirit that you intended.

[HeatherInFlorida]

ziggy-

I ran our Surburban off the road trying avoid hitting a baby squirrel, it caused damage to the vehicle and I didn't care. I hate to see any animal (or person) hurt or injured in any way, shape or form.
Ooooh, Ekerr! Once again we're in sync and you're a girl after my own heart;) . Thank goodness there's more than one of me:)

Ziggy, I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. But I'm glad you've decided to stay addicted like the rest of us. Take good care of yourself and we'll see you back here real soon.

[gliles]

I for one thought the pix were interesting and I don't like to even think about any animal being hurt but those pix aren't something you see every day.

I also have young adults as children and I have heard the term cool mean many things.

I am so sorry for your loss Ziggy, hang in there and I am glad you aren't leaving us.

[TedC]

Ziggy,


Thanks for posting a link to the whale pictures. I love whales and was very interested in the photos.

Earlier stories I saw indicated that it was unknown if the whale was struck and killed by the ship or if it was a dead whale that got scooped up onto the underwater bulb that protrudes from the bow of the ship.

From looking at the photos, it appears to me that it is quite possible the whale was already dead when scooped up onto the protruding bulb.

Ziggy, please do not leave these boards for providing a service for curious cruisers. Those without curiosity did not have to look at the photos.


I also enjoyed your interesting and enthusiastic review of your recent cruise!


Please: Stay Stay Stay!

[dakrewser]

I'm sorry everyone, I am an emotional mess right now
And here I thought it was because I was ahead of you in the "post count." :rolleyes:

Relax, go shopping, root for the Red Sox and ignore us for a day or so. You'll feel better, I'll pad my lead and maybe my obnoxious Yankee-fan neighbor will be quiet!

:) -dave

[ekerr19]

And here I thought it was because I was ahead of you in the "post count." :rolleyes:

Relax, go shopping, root for the Red Sox and ignore us for a day or so. You'll feel better, I'll pad my lead and maybe my obnoxious Yankee-fan neighbor will be quiet!

:) -dave
GO Red Sox! :D

[ekerr19]

Ooooh, Ekerr! Once again we're in sync and you're a girl after my own heart;) . Thank goodness there's more than one of me:)

Heather,

Do you think the boards can handle TWO of us??? LOL. Still trying to pack "light"!

to all-

Just checked, the "whale pictures" thread is now gone... while I don't blame ziggy for posting her thread - I think it is also important to respect the feelings of those who opposed it...

I think I am losing my mind! I just saw the thread again! Oh well, I still have the same opinion about it. :)

[The_Hall_Monitor]

Ziggy, I’m glad you’ve reconsidered. Personally, I can understand what you personally are going through. An expected death is hard. An unexpected one, it is horrid. May God bless and comfort you.

But, imo, there is a lesson here. I wonder how many other posters have been driven away who bring good information by the coven of know-it-alls that lurk here. Personally, I can think of two who have left.

[OrthoRN]

Please don't leave.... Especially over this.... They were PICTURES!!!!! That is it... Sad unfortunate event, but it was reality... Nothing to feel bad about...

[Cruiseoften]

Ziggy - no question, there is a 'clique' on this board! The 'clique members' gang up and make it tough for the chosen 'victim'......can't say that sometimes it isn't warranted!

:o ...cumon back!!!!

[ekerr19]

Ziggy - no question, there is a 'clique' on this board! The 'clique members' gang up and make it tough for the chosen 'victim'......can't say that sometimes it isn't warranted!

:o ...cumon back!!!!Ok - I am going to respond to this post. Please do not be offended by my response because it is not directed at the poster, rather the general atmosphere of this thread and a few other related threads on the board today.

I'm not sure the reference to a "clique" on these boards is a fair assumption. There were several people that were upset about the fact that the pictures were related to as "cool."

Because a few posters have posted on these boards for a number of years - reducing their opinion to that as "cliquish" seems unfair. I guess I don't understand that label.

I believe the only thing most people objected to was the calling the pictures "cool". I do think a better word could have been substituted, and initially refrained from commenting altogether. I chose not to view the pics, but respected ziggy's right to post the thread - I also respect the fact that pudgesmom objected to it and posted such.

The entire premise of these boards (in my opinion) is a forum to express thoughts, observations & experiences about cruising. There will never be 100% agreement in all arenas - that is what makes each individual unique - but understanding another person's point of view will go a long way in understanding & acceptance of new and different ideas.

Labeling someone as a "victim" is hardly appropriate either, imo. Ziggy posted what she thought was informative and helpful - many of you agreed - but to resort to condemning those who disagreed as "clique members", hardly seems fair, in my honest opinion.

[ekerr19]

Ziggy - no question, there is a 'clique' on this board! The 'clique members' gang up and make it tough for the chosen 'victim'......can't say that sometimes it isn't warranted!

:o ...cumon back!!!!Ironic - this is what you posted on the other thread????

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=89553

Post #11 on the thread appears to be yours...

Basically, you are telling ziggy she was wrong for posting the thread!

I guess I don't get it... :confused:

[gizmo]

Thank you Ekerr, your post is on the money.:)

[doone]

Gizmo, you took the words right out of my mouth. Ekerr, well said.

[superstein61]

I'm not sure the reference to a "clique" on these boards is a fair assumption. There were several people that were upset about the fact that the pictures were related to as "cool."

Because a few posters have posted on these boards for a number of years - reducing their opinion to that as "cliquish" seems unfair. I guess I don't understand that label.

Ekerr - I respectfully disagree on this part of what you said. IMO, there is a clique or call it a group mentality - especially towards newcomers - on this forum. It particularly surfaces when someone challenges one of the long time regulars - its not unusual to see a host of folks spring to their defense in attacking the poor newcomer or person who presents a dissenting opinion. Its also prevalent with the Moderators quite frankly - as certain regulars seem to be able to say whatever they want while others can not without haveing posts removed, etc. Maybe clique isn't the right word - but to me its pretty close.

All that said, I do not think Ziggy was a victim of this clique or group mentality. Some people criticized the posting of the link but their whining was their whining alone, not that of the typical group of regular's response.

JMHO

[HeatherInFlorida]

Ekerr, good catch!!! You are very observant! I would never have remembered Cruiseoften's other post. Color me impressed!

As to the way "new" posters are treated, we were all new once. I'm still considered "new" and I've been batted around a few times.....in fact mostly by Superstein. But I decided to chalk it up sort of an an "initiation"; a "right of passage". No big deal.

I don't think either Ziggy or Pudgesmom should be faulted for their opinions, but when we state something strongly or post something that could be controversial, then we're going to come up against some harrassment. That's human nature.

I don't think there's anything "cliquish" about this forum. Sometimes people have backed me up, sometimes not. I've only been posting with frequency for about 6 months and I can almost always figure out who's going to support my opinion and who's not.

That's life ... as I've said before you can't have a thin skin and be on these boards unless you simply lurk;)

[Host Walt]

Based on the comments it appears there's a characteristic of normal posting technique that Ziggy didn't do, and is acknowledging; that is using the PREVIEW POST feature.

Everyone should click that button and read his/her post carefully, and consider how the words (including the title) will be read and understood by the reader.

In this case it appears that Ziggy meant "cool" as meaning "unusual" or "remarkable," not as meaning "fun" or "neat."

In any case, it looks like the issue is resolved.

[Given to Sail]

I'm sorry everyone, I am an emotional mess right now( having just lost my good friend in a car accident) and it has nothing to do with these posts, I should not have come on here today but I just came on for something to do other than mourn my loss.

So sorry for your loss. I hope that seeing how many people truly like you, and want you to stay, made your venture out to the boards worth it today. Sounds like you have alot of support here. And if it helps you to get through this tough time, I think thats great. :)

[doone]

Ziggy, I too, am sorry for the loss of your friend.

[bepsf]

Oh Ziggy - I feel so badly for you.

It certainly is hard to suddenly lose a close friend like that...

- Please take good care of yourself and we'll see you back here soon!
(we'll miss the happy little fish if she's gone too long...)

[TylerRose]

So sorry for your loss.

I have come and gone from this board when posters have strongly worded reponces and I have overreacted, or been too frustrated to respond.
Truth is... I stay away until the hurt is passed... and then I return. Because through this board we all learn how to get the most of our cruise...

This too will pass... You'll get back to your enthusiastic posts when your ready.

Til then, we'll miss ya.

[Cruiseoften]

ekerr19 - my #11 post did not even suggest that Ziggy was wrong in posting the thread……….and certainly did not imply that the post should not have been made. Hubby and I are known in our area as "the folks who speak animal language."

I asked if the meaning of the word 'cool' had been checked.
Quote #11
Yesterday, 02:38 PM
Cruiseoften Cool Cruiser

Ziggy - did you check the meaning of 'cool'?

It's quite tragic that a whale died in that manner. Like some others here I looked at one picture and moved on.(unqote)

In a later post……..my use of the word 'clique' - well I don't think it can be denied that there are many posters who regularly exchange e-mails, and are obviously in 'sync' with each other and, quite naturally, back each other up.

I think superstein61 spelled it out correctly!.

I find the board very interesting but do not have the time or inclination to be on line for hours at a time and therefore seldom reply promptly to posts.


The use of the word 'victim' is for lack of something more descriptive - each cruise message board has it's accepted terminology - finding out just what that is can be the problem............I kinda stick my neck out and and go from there! :D

[Ziggy7]

Thank you everyone for your kind words, what an amazingly wonderful group of people you are! Now its time to let this thread go :) Hugsssssss to everyone!

[ekerr19]

ekerr19 - my #11 post did not even suggest that Ziggy was wrong in posting the thread……….and certainly did not imply that the post should not have been made. Hubby and I are known in our area as "the folks who speak animal language."

I asked if the meaning of the word 'cool' had been checked.
Quote #11
Yesterday, 02:38 PM
Cruiseoften Cool Cruiser

Ziggy - did you check the meaning of 'cool'?

It's quite tragic that a whale died in that manner. Like some others here I looked at one picture and moved on.(unqote)

In a later post……..my use of the word 'clique' - well I don't think it can be denied that there are many posters who regularly exchange e-mails, and are obviously in 'sync' with each other and, quite naturally, back each other up.

I think superstein61 spelled it out correctly!.

I find the board very interesting but do not have the time or inclination to be on line for hours at a time and therefore seldom reply promptly to posts.


The use of the word 'victim' is for lack of something more descriptive - each cruise message board has it's accepted terminology - finding out just what that is can be the problem............I kinda stick my neck out and and go from there! :DSorry, but it read that way to me. Also, you did give the red "thumbs down" on the original post... #11 - which to most signifies disapproval... :confused:

[grannynurse]

Glad to see you're posting again. I was very sorry to read about your loss of your friend. It's very hard, I know, I've been there.
This board was great therapy for me. Hang in there!
Hugs,
GN

[superstein61]

In a later post……..my use of the word 'clique' - well I don't think it can be denied that there are many posters who regularly exchange e-mails, and are obviously in 'sync' with each other and, quite naturally, back each other up.

I think superstein61 spelled it out correctly!.

I find the board very interesting but do not have the time or inclination to be on line for hours at a time and therefore seldom reply promptly to posts.


:D
Thanks - and I agree !!!

[doone]

Perhaps you should add yourselves to your so called, "cliques".

[superstein61]

Perhaps you should add yourselves to your so called, "cliques".
Doone - are you directing that to me? I am not sure many folks would want to admit they are in a clique with me - LOL.

besides I am sure I have disagreed with everyone here from time to time :D

[HeatherInFlorida]

Doone - are you directing that to me? I am not sure many folks would want to admit they are in a clique with me - LOL.

besides I am sure I have disagreed with everyone here from time to time :D
Superstein, you are in a clique all your very own:D and I, for one, often love you for it;) .

For once and for all, this is silly. There are no "cliques" on here. There are some people who tend to agree in general on some things and people who do not. Then there are people who like to disagree altogether. And when someone new comes on they really don't know what to expect and unfortunately sometimes get caught in the fray of all this.

And now you know "the rest of the story":)

[alsas]

How many of us would have the inner class to admit to somthing that was an opinion and nothing more. We are all friends even if we don't know each other personally.Class is your problem and you show it at the highest level.May you recover from your loss and enjoy inner peace.happy sailing

[Grover Kids]

Ziggy this is the Grover Kids ( Your father ) stay put you enjoyed this site.
as I always told you stay tough. Rember there is at least one in every crowd

[Ziggy7]

Ziggy this is the Grover Kids ( Your father ) stay put you enjoyed this site.
as I always told you stay tough. Rember there is at least one in every crowd
Thanks Dad! Everything is ok now :) Dont worry, I remember everything you taught me :) There are many good people on here and I believe it was just a big misunderstanding, glad to see your puter up and running and you back on the boards! Your cruise is getting close! :)

[LAFFNVEGAS]

Thanks Dad! Everything is ok now :) Dont worry, I remember everything you taught me :) There are many good people on here and I believe it was just a big misunderstanding, glad to see your puter up and running and you back on the boards! Your cruise is getting close! :)
Ziggy, Is that really your Dad? How Nice if he is!!! That is neat to have family members also commenting on this board.:)

Ziggy's Dad, We want to hear all about your cruise when you return. That should be a great cruise.

[Ziggy7]

Ziggy, Is that really your Dad? How Nice if he is!!! That is neat to have family members also commenting on this board.:)

Ziggy's Dad, We want to hear all about your cruise when you return. That should be a great cruise.
Yes Lisa it really is my Dad :) he is the one who got me hooked on crusing :) He is a big HAL cruiser hehehe.
:)

[crusinggranny]

Ziggy: I have not done much posting, however, I have been reading a lot and have learned so very much from you and the others, Please reconsider as I for one appreciate you knowledge of crusing.

[Ziggy7]

Thank You :) I will be around :) Not gonna let anyone chase me away :) Happy Cruising!