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ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Ms. Rotterdam 12/23/08 to 1/4/09 – Southern Wayfarer Holiday Cruise - 12 Days
Captain: Rik Krombeen
Hotel Manager: Bert van Macklenbergh
CD: Jesse Highley
Piano Man: Jeff Warren

Embarkation/Disembarkation: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
Ports of Call:
1. Half Moon Cay, Bahamas
2. Oranjestad, Aruba
3. Kralendijk, Bonaire
4. Willemstad, Curacao
5. Gatun Lake – Panama Canal
6. Colon, Panama
7. Limon, Costa Rica
8. Georgetown, Grand Cayman

Embarkation was so smooth – Port Everglades check-in staff have improved substantially over the past several years and this embarkation was the easiest ever. We checked out of Hyatt Pier 66 at about noon, the bell captain arranged a Chevrolet Suburban to transport us along with our 15-year old daughter, her best friend and ten pieces of luggage to the Rotterdam.

Our entire group was swiftly directed to Deluxe Verandah Suite check-in, where no one was waiting in line. We obtained our cabin keys, as well as those for our second cabin (which the girls were sharing) and off we went. We walked right onboard and proceeded to the Neptune Lounge where we met our concierge, Jem and asked her about switching our room keys around as the girls would be in a cabin alone. Our cabin was ready, so we deposited our bags and went to explore the ship. We LOVED the layout of the ship right away. It was so easy to get around – I recall only taking the elevators a time or two for the entire voyage. We really liked the décor of the ship as well. It is really beautiful.

We checked out the girls’ cabin 3364, and met their cabin steward, Komang. He asked them how many bags they had and what color and said he’d deliver them as soon as possible. The girls went off to the Lido and we went to the bar to see if we knew any bar staff. We checked both the Sea View Bar (Deck 7, aft pool) and the Ocean Bar and recognized no one. We had eaten breakfast at Pier 66 and weren’t hungry so we explored and tried to locate our cabin steward.

The cabin steward situation for the Suites was a bit of a disappointment on this cruise. I’m not sure when they went to teams of stewards, but service seemed to be sporadic. There were times when our cabin was not made up until afternoon and we had some difficulty communicating with our steward; and though he tried hard to please us, we never felt we had established a connection or routine with him. It was not a huge issue with us, but just something we noticed. I’m not sure that the Rotterdam doesn’t have more suites, but there were always tons of folks in the Neptune Lounge – all the time, more so than we’ve noticed on any previous cruise.

At any rate, it didn’t affect us too much, and if we asked for anything, we received a prompt response.

We missed the CC meet and greet at 5:00pm, I had unpacked everything before lifeboat drill, so we headed out for a drink once we completed the drill and I completely forgot about it – sorry guys! One thing I found different during this lifeboat drill was the speech the Captain gave about Norwalk virus ending it saying there would be no hand shaking by any of the officers.

Our first stop was Half Moon Cay, and we had booked the Grand Oasis months ago. At Hyatt Pier 66, we met a delightful family traveling together from the Netherlands and asked them to join us. We arranged to be at the Oasis by 9:00am, though apparently there was some confusion, as by 9:45 our butler hadn’t shown up. I asked the concierge if she could check, and after waiting about 15 minutes we went ahead and left on our own. I was truly dismayed when we reached the Oasis and found nothing – not one thing! Had been set up yet! On previous occasions, everything was done, ready and waiting when we got there. The weather was bad and my mood was worse. We paid over $1,000 for that excursion and were bitterly disappointed. It was explained to me that there was a communication “problem” and they thought we were going to call when we were ready to go, but in all honesty, that just doesn’t fly with me. In the end, we tried to make the most of it – the weather did not help and the lack of execution (even once we were there) disappointed us. For example, people just wandered up and got in the hot tub and tried to use the facilities and it was left to us to ask them to leave – something we never had to do before. The bar was also very inadequately prepared for us – there was no vodka, just rum, and very little we could order except rum punch and strawberry daiquiris. I honestly doubt we will be booking the Oasis any time soon and seriously, HAL needs to get on this. It costs FAR too much money for a substandard experience.

That evening was designated as “Smart casual / Formal optional” which I’d never seen before. DH wore a sport jacket and slacks instead of the tux as we still had three formal nights to go, which is all we’d planned for.

Next up was Aruba. Boy has it ever changed! Even in the past few months. It was very crowded, but the girls wanted to go to the beach and I agreed to take them. We found a “cab” and I asked about a couple beaches we’d been to previously. Instead he took us to the Hyatt hotel and dropped us off there and told us to go around the back way to get to the beach. Wow. I really hate doing that, but the long cab ride without air conditioning prompted me to at least give it a shot. It was ridiculously crowded and we saw many people from the ship that had also been dropped there. The girls were unimpressed and after a rough inner tube ride, they were ready to go back. We found a licensed cab driver at the Hyatt who took us back and explained that many of these gypsy cabs only wanted to do island tours for $100 - $150 and if you didn’t agree, they’d just drop you off at the “beach”. He asked what we paid, and told me there was a standard fare, and obviously we got taken, but oh well. Live and learn. My DD was thrown off the tube ride a couple times and was really sore – she had blisters on her hands trying to hold on – but the tour operators thought it was funny to keep dumping the girls, even after they asked them not to and to slow down. Beware.

We had planned to meet up with a friend in Bonaire – he is a former HAL employee we met years ago who lives there and because our internet was so sporadic, we were unable to finally connect in the end. The girls were sore and tired and stayed on the ship – Sonny and I walked around for a little while, I discovered I forgot my sunscreen and because it was so hot, we headed back.

We booked a “swim with the dolphins” excursion for DH and the girls in Curacao and according to all of them it was a 10+ and very impressive! The photos they took were amazing and DH said it was easily one of the best excursions he’s ever done. I stayed onboard reading. That evening was formal night, and most everyone dressed in accordance to the suggested attire.

A few other notables at this point:

We had three ports in a row, and it took a bit of a toll. We had some rough weather after leaving HMC and we felt our ship rocking and rolling almost all the time for the remainder of the cruise, more so than any ship we’ve been on recently. We heard complaints about A/C and some plumbing problems for those on Deck 6, but never experienced anything ourselves, neither did the girls on Deck 3.

The casino was absolutely the worst we’ve experienced to date on HAL. Inexperienced dealers, underage gambling and strange rules seemingly made up on the spot by the pit boss. After two or three nights we opted not to return, but heard continued complaints from more than a few cruisers. Examples included being given the incorrect amount of chips when sitting down at the roulette wheel and having the pit boss tell us (a good half hour or so later) about the “mistake” and we had to give them back. Sorry, but the dealer making a $2 chip payout error is her fault, not mine. We were told we could not sit out a hand or a roll; that it was against the rules, even though no one was waiting to play. Again, incorrect – every casino I’ve been in allows this. Over and over, it seemed like we were always being told, “no, you can’t” so after a tiring few days of it, we just stopped going. I tried to speak to the casino manager about a couple things and he had absolutely interest in hearing anything.

The pools had signs up designating “family pool’ and “adults only”. It was nice to see, and most people adhered to it, but a few routinely didn’t.

We had over 300 kids onboard and it was noticeable, though most were pretty well behaved.

The Pinnacle Grill is now $20 per person again. The new menu was uninspiring and I miss the Clam Chowder. We went once and it was less than mediocre and didn’t return.

Smoking – hands down, again another “worst ever”. Every area allowing smoking was overwhelmed by smokers. Perhaps because we had quite a few European vacationers, but I’ve never seen it so bad. The Ocean Bar was the worst. The smoke was so bad; it just hung over the entire atrium area and drifted into the shops and Queen’s Lounge. Normally, I don’t mind it so much, but I could not stand it. The same thing happened almost daily at the Sea View bar by the aft pool on Deck 7. There was a group of people who just took this whole area over each late afternoon and evening. They even had their own iPod plugged in and played their music.

Smoking was prohibited in the Casino and Sports Bar before 10:30pm, which was nice. I was still very surprised by the number of people who brought strollers and small children to the smoking area of the Ocean Bar. It didn’t really make for the best pre-dinner ambiance. One family was playing a board game with their kids at one of the cocktail tables. I don’t know how those kids could stand the smoke.

We enjoyed the Explorations Café, though internet connections were not so good. I never did manage to connect my laptop successfully in the cabin, but both girls were able to in theirs. A decent selection of books and movies, though there was only one “daily” crosswords puzzle throughout the cruise. We found a NY Times crossword puzzle book in the shop and DH was able to get his daily fix that way.

For dinner, we were at table number 86, (Main seating) and we truly had the best of service by our dining staff! I cannot recall a recent cruise when it was better. This was a true highlight for us. Our wine steward was attentive and prompt and had the girl’s iced tea waiting each evening and we always had extra portions of the girls favorite dinner rolls. I cannot speak highly enough of our service. The food and selections in the dining room were very good. So good, we ate in the Pinnacle only one night, and it was disappointing. My steak was so well done, and it was cold when I’d ordered it rare, and DH’s was cold and barely seared on each side when he’d ordered his medium. We liked the old Pinnacle menu much better and wish they’d just added some of the new selections instead of removing some.

The food in the Lido was wonderful – fresh, appealing and quite good. The salad bar was very good – yes we had plenty of spinach (and trays, lol!) We enjoyed the Asian stir fry selections and treated ourselves to a small portion daily along with our salads and DH really like the “no sugar added” dessert treats. I had only one dessert, in the dining room and it was quite good.

We were just a bit disappointed with our room service meals – a first for us. Routinely, they’d forget salt, pepper, ketchup, butter, etc. and once our breakfast order was noticeably very off. Also, the omelets served could quite easily feed two adults and I wish they would offer a one or two egg sized portion. We never had a problem getting through to order and our meals were always delivered promptly and at the correct temperature.

Almost everyone adhered to the suggested dress code, especially on formal evenings. Surprisingly, many dressed up on smart casual nights as well. It made for a bit more festive atmosphere.

We felt there were many more people on board than there were. Most public areas often felt crowded.

We did not attend the Suites reception, the Suites luncheon, or the wine and cheese tasting hosted by the Captain and HM. Nor did we attend the Mariner’s brunch. We did briefly attend the VIP party in the Crow’s Nest and it was nice. No hand shaking, which – okay , well I can live with it.

On to Gatun and Colon… we did a full transit over Christmas on the Amsterdam in 2000. We did not have a verandah cabin back then and I missed a lot of the transit watching the kids at the pool, so this was a highlight for me. I spent the time on the verandah and took pictures and just enjoyed the experience. DH watched from the top deck and got some great pictures as well. DH had a golf excursion booked for Colon so he took off for that. The girls and I booked spa treatments that afternoon. Unfortunately, DH missed the tender for the golf excursion – after waiting in the Queen’s Lounge close to an hour, he stepped out to the restroom and to get another bottle of water when they called his tender number. He was unaware it was called, and waited for another hour and finally asked Shorex staff who told him it had left long ago. There were so many excursions booked that day and they had everyone meeting at the same time, the lounge was packed. Shorex was nice enough to refund the money for the missed excursion, which I thought was very generous - as basically, they do tell you not to leave.

Our spa treatments were fantastic and I was pleasantly surprised that I did not receive the hard sell (or even a soft sell) of spa products. A nice change from past spa visits.

Limon, Costa Rica – we have been to Costa Rica on previous cruises, but always on the Pacific Ocean side and never to Limon. We decided on a boat tour through the Tortuguero Canals, which was really awesome. The girls were thrilled to see sloths, howler monkeys and various other forms of wildlife. We had fresh fruit, local beer and shopped a craft stand before heading to tour a Del Monte banana plantation. It was a great tour, I’d highly recommend it. After returning to the port, DH & I decided to explore the market in the port area and picked up a couple neat handmade items and some Costa Rican coffee beans. We wanted to walk down the main boulevard (as recommended by our tour guide) but when we got to the gate, we were overwhelmed by people hawking tours, etc. and decided against it. Overall, it was an interesting experience as we’d never been to Limon, and while I was a bit overwhelmed by the poverty, I was truly impressed and inspired by the friendliness and the kindness of the people we encountered.

Grand Cayman – A first for us, we were the only ship there! It was so nice. I actually really enjoyed it, probably for the first time – because it wasn’t crowded. The girls wanted to do Captain Nemo’s snorkel adventure, so off we went. It was really pretty cool and great for them. Not too long, but plenty of time in the water.

After that, we headed to Hard Rock Cafe for a quick (and VERY expensive!) snack and some souvenirs. We got back on the last (supposedly) tender and were surprised at how crowded it was. They had to send another tender back as we couldn’t fit everyone and I was surprised so many people were ashore, but maybe being the only ship in port appealed to them too.

Disembarkation was just okay. We had the new “silent disembarkation” where they don’t announce the numbers or colors, just the time “window” – we had Group 1, Pink and could disembark any time between 8:00am and 10:00am, we left about 9:30am and there were just TONS of people crowding the gangway because they were only allowing numbers 1 & 2 in all colors go at that time. To me, either stick with the colors and numbers or use the windows. Some people were getting downright upset when the staff waved us through and they’d been sitting there waiting. However, if it’s not your time to go – jeez, I wish people wouldn’t crowd the area!

Another first, my card made a loud clanging sound as I checked off the ship for the final time and was instructed to step aside where I was asked for my customs declaration form, and it was given a hole punch in the upper left corner. I realized I was being flagged at that point and was glad we claimed everything. The custom’s officer told me that it was because our shipboard account was over a certain dollar amount and all passengers over a certain amount would be subject to further customs review. He waved us right through once he saw there were four of us and I listed the watches we had purchased onboard.

For a holiday cruise (especially both Christmas and New Year’s) we felt the ship lacked the décor we’ve seen on previous holiday sailings. Much seemed like an “after thought” and not professionally decorated as done in years past. I also missed the wreaths that used to hang on every cabin door during the holidays.

Many officers had family and friends onboard and most formal nights we were pretty much pushed out of the way in the Ocean Bar and Crow’s Nest by some of the groups. But heck, we’re just the passengers, so whatever. In fact, several people tried to engage a few of the officers in brief, polite bar conversation and felt as if they were rebuffed. One of our Dutch friends asked a question of one of the engineering officers and was told that he was “off duty” and didn’t want to answer any questions! Well, okay, I guess I can relate to that – but when you’re in the PUBLIC lounge, mingling along with the PAYING passengers, the least you can do is be pleasant. It made for a very disappointing Christmas and New Year’s and I doubt we will book another holiday sailing – especially because they are not bargains – not by a long stretch.

Overall, on a scale of 1 to 10, we’d rate this as a good strong 5, though the food and dining room staff alone would receive a 9.

Any questions, ask away – I’ll do my best.

larsenbiz
January 5th, 2009, 06:11 PM
Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed trip report. We had some similar experiences on our recent Oosterdam cruise. The dining room service was the BEST service we have ever received, we found the Pinnacle Grill less than stellar, and room service was missing things on several days. It seems that this may be an issue across the fleet.

That being said...I still loved it.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 06:19 PM
One other thing I wanted to mention - we did not recive the "In Port" info guide for any of the ports except Grand Cayman.

Have they done away with it? I hope not... we sure missed it.

jcrandle
January 5th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Thanks for your very detailed review. The Rotterdam is one of our favorite HAL ships, and it was good to hear your experiences.

Your comments about the new "team" approach the cabin stewards are using echos what we observed on our recent Amazon adventure on the Prinsendam. We didn't like it because it wasn't predictable. If they had freshened up every day at 2 PM, that would have been OK, but they varied the times so that we couldn't predict when they would be there. Even with the team approach, I believe that HAL has increased their workload substantially. Our stewards were cheerful and accommodating, but HAL can only squeeze so much till something snaps.

Also, we were less than impressed by our Pinnacle Grill experience, less by the new menu, but more because dishes were served to the wrong diners at our table, some cold dishes were not cold, and warm dishes were cold. The grill was not very crowded, so it did not appear to be overwork, though if HAL is cutting back on this staff like they appear to be doing on the cabin stewards that might explain the sloppy service

I am pleased to hear that your table service in the dining room was the usual superb experience that we have all come to expect from HAL. Although our team was very busy, they came through with flying colors, and delivered a marvelous level of service.

I am so sad that your HMC visit was unsatisfactory. With all the variables of weather that HAL cannot control, they really need to concentrate on the ones that they can control, namely the quality of service that they deliver. We didn't book anything special, but were very happy with the facilities and lunch that were provided. For the expense of your booking, everything that HAL could manage should have been flawless.

From your review, I get the impression that overall you were pleased with the cruise, but expect HAL to improve on the defficiencies. I hope Seattle and the local managment on the Rotterdam will address these concerns.

Thanks again.

LAFFNVEGAS
January 5th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Laura, Welcome Home :)I am so sorry to hear that you Holiday Sailing was not that great. I wish you could have joined us on the Eurodam. I am afraid that you might have found all the Bar Staff you know there:D At least we did. We honestly knew someone in every bar on the ship. Most were from the Noordam but several from the Oosterdam and the Amsterdam. And if we did not remember them they some how remembered us;)

As for the teams for the cabin stewards we have now had them on 3 sailings techinically two if you count our B2B as one but we had a different cabin for the 2nd week so we actually have had 3 sets of cabin stewards under this new procedure. I have to say that all three times it worked perfect for us and we felt that our cabin was cleaned quicker and earlier. We were especially amazed the 2nd week when we had an VA cabin on Deck 8 I almost felt those two guys were the best we had ever had. We even gave them far more extra in tips at the end of the cruise than we have in recent cruises. They were amazing. The first week when we were in a SA across from the Neptune they were good but not over the top and there was one day that the cabin had not been done till in the afternoon. That was not the case the 2nd week.

I am also surprised at the number o chldren you cruise had. We had just under 300 on the Eurodam for Christmas week and other than Christmas Morning at the Christmas Caroling in the Atrium we hardly seen any kids all week.

Laura I have to agree with you 100% about the Pinnacle and the New Menu. When I first saw this menu I was slightly excited till I tried the new items. I have to say that I want the OLD menu back. What they took away was far better than what they are now offering. By chance did they also try to talk you out of ordering Lobster in your Pinnacle?

Oh well at least you were at Sea and being some what pampered especially for dinner and were where it was warm and NO SNOW and most of all you were with your family the ones you love. That is what makes for a memorable Christmas. :)

LAFFNVEGAS
January 5th, 2009, 07:00 PM
One other thing I wanted to mention - we did not recive the "In Port" info guide for any of the ports except Grand Cayman.

Have they done away with it? I hope not... we sure missed it.
Laura, We definitely had them in every port we visited during our two weeks. We even had one for HMC including a nice trifold phamplet of HMC and a map.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Lisa -

Glad to hear you had the port guides! Maybe they were just out of them for our cruise, like the crossword puzzles and Miller Genuine Draft (though they did get the beer - it took a day or too to unload it and get it to the bar).

Krazy Kruizers
January 5th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Welcome Home.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write your review.

I just can't believe that things were just so poor on the Rotterdam -- maybe they need to shake up the heads!! Poor cabin stewards -- no port guides -- uncalled for.

I hope you complained about the Oasis package and the lack of things there!! You are definitely owed some money back on that one.

On our Eurodam cruises we only got to go to the Pinnacle once in 14 days -- really wanted to go one more time just to check out a few more new items. So I am out on this one.

I wish you had attended some of the other Suite functions and the Mariner's lunch -- would loved to have heard how the Rotterdam did them compared to the other ship.

I sure hope your next cruise is better than this one.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Your comments about the new "team" approach the cabin stewards are using echos what we observed on our recent Amazon adventure on the Prinsendam. We didn't like it because it wasn't predictable. If they had freshened up every day at 2 PM, that would have been OK, but they varied the times so that we couldn't predict when they would be there. Even with the team approach, I believe that HAL has increased their workload substantially. Our stewards were cheerful and accommodating, but HAL can only squeeze so much till something snaps.



You said it much better than I, thank you! We also asked both the stewards not to make the sofa bed each evening, as our daughter was not in the cabin with us - even though when it was booked she was. It wasn't until the third night they stopped pulling out the sofa bed. A small thing, but having the sofa out all day was kind of a pain. Our cabin was usually made up around 2:00, but sometimes he would come really early and we were still getting ready to go ashore or having breakfast.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 07:17 PM
I wish you had attended some of the other Suite functions and the Mariner's lunch -- would loved to have heard how the Rotterdam did them compared to the other ship.

I sure hope your next cruise is better than this one.



I know! We planned to, but got busy. One thing - because there were so many mariner's they did split the luncheon between two different days -based on port and starboard sides. Our DD was port side and we were starboard and we were kind of surprised they thought we'd want to attend separately, lol!

The wine and cheese thing was something we hadn't seen before, but the time (7:30, I think) didn't work for us that night as we were meeting friends for drinks and it was in the Hudson Room, not my favorite place for ambiance.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 07:27 PM
From your review, I get the impression that overall you were pleased with the cruise, but expect HAL to improve on the defficiencies. I hope Seattle and the local managment on the Rotterdam will address these concerns.


Yes. We've been spoiled with pretty good overall experiences lately, we had hoped this would be along the same lines.

While we were a bit disappointed in some aspects, it was still a cruise and it was great to get away for two weeks! :)

purplenorway
January 5th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Hi Laura!

Thanks for your review. I'm surprized to hear about the HMC Oasis. We had it only a few days before you (we just keep missing each other!:rolleyes:) and it was fantastic.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Hi Laura!

Thanks for your review. I'm surprized to hear about the HMC Oasis. We had it only a few days before you (we just keep missing each other!:rolleyes:) and it was fantastic.

I was surprised too. The past two times we've booked it, it was just fabulous.

I'll think twice about it again. A lot will depend on the ship and HM. When Hans was the one overseeing it for us on Westerdam, he went over the top, so we definitely got spoiled. On Maasdam, everything was beyond perfect.

But to have nothing set up by 10:15am was just odd. No one was even there when we got there...

Cruising-along
January 5th, 2009, 07:48 PM
I so enjoyed reading your review, thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed and easy to read review. The Rotterdam is my favorite ship, so I was sad to hear about your disappointments in some areas. We haven't experienced the teams of cabin stewards yet, it sounds like they haven't gotten it down pat yet, unfortunately. :(

And your experience at HMC, after paying that much for the Oasis, well I just hope you can get some sort of refund, that just wasn't right!

I do have a question, do you remember the names of your dining, wine and cabin stewards? Thanks again!

kryos
January 5th, 2009, 08:01 PM
I hope you complained about the Oasis package and the lack of things there!! You are definitely owed some money back on that one.

Yes, I too appreciate the thorough review that the OP wrote.

And I too would have been absolutely livid about the lack of service received with the Grand Oasis. That's absolutely unforgiveable. That package costs a bundle and service should be stellar with it. Having to shoo people away when they tried to get into the hot tub should never have been this family's responsibility. There should have been a staff member on duty to take care of that.

I would agree that the OP is owed a substantial credit on what she paid for this package and I hope she follows up with HAL to get it.

Blue skies ...

--rita

kryos
January 5th, 2009, 08:06 PM
But to have nothing set up by 10:15am was just odd. No one was even there when we got there...
I don't even quite understand the "communications problem." Why were they even waiting for you to tell them you were ready to go over before setting it up? I would think the stuff for that Grand Oasis would go over to HMC on the first tender ... the one which is generally only comprised of staff members bringing supplies over. That way the cabana would be set up long before you arrived, no matter what time you got there.

Not that it's any excuse, but this is precisely why I don't sail on holidays. Too many people on the boat, too many service snafus. You said that the boat felt "crowded." No doubt, I'm sure it was. There were a lot of third and fourth passengers in cabins and that makes the ship actually be over its stated capacity (which is based on two per cabin). Hence, the staff is overworked and all of the public venues will be packed.

Sorry your experience wasn't up to par. Hopefully, your next sailing will be much, much better.

Blue skies and thanks for the thorough, balanced review ...

--rita

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 09:34 PM
In addition to our spectacular service in the dining room, we also had fabulous service from all the barstaff as well. John, Marisol, Gus, Ness, Jax, (El) Nino got to be good friends and we exchanged email addresses with a few of them.

We also had above and beyond service from Todd with Shorex and all the shops staff, especially Andre in jewelry and the young man who helped us locate the NY Times crossword puzzle book. The photographers were wonderful to the girls and took many excellent pictures.

Jem, our concierge had the patience of a saint. She dealt with so many issues on an hourly basis and always had a welcoming smile for us.

I hate that my review sounds negative, but there were a few less than stellar things that while certainly didn't ruin the trip for us, just were less than we expect from HAL.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 09:46 PM
I don't even quite understand the "communications problem." Why were they even waiting for you to tell them you were ready to go over before setting it up? I would think the stuff for that Grand Oasis would go over to HMC on the first tender ... the one which is generally only comprised of staff members bringing supplies over. That way the cabana would be set up long before you arrived, no matter what time you got there.

--rita

One would think, wouldn't they. I didn't buy it, but decided not to push the matter with them. The ball was dropped and they knew, we knew and everyone who needed to know about it knew it.

They also said since they weren't sure what time we were coming, they set the Grand Oasis up last. Now, we've had a cabana with butler and there isn't a whole lot that needs to be prepped for them - not near what needs to be done at the Oasis. The person who normally overseas the event at the Oasis usually runs interference at the gate too.

The only communication on our end that may have been ambiguous was the actual pickup time - I told them between 9:00 and 9:15 for pick up at our cabin and our guests would meet us over there.

Oh well. We still had fun with our friends and the food was very good. We had some rain, but it didn't last all day, thankfully.

The thing I felt the worst about was telling others that it was a private party cabana. One lady said she going to report us because she knew for a fact that it wasn't. I felt so bad and really hated being put in that position.

marle7
January 5th, 2009, 09:57 PM
I have heard over and over again that the lack of security with the Private Cabana is an issue. Several posters have mentioned others coming in and just using the slide etc. You'd think by now that HAL would have had several complaints regarding this.

We actually have this booked for our second leg of our cruise for our 10th anniversary in April. The first week we have the yellow cabana with butler. I'm hoping everything will go smoothly! I think you should definitely be getting some sort of refund on this as it is a hugely expensive package.

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 10:18 PM
I do have a question, do you remember the names of your dining, wine and cabin stewards? Thanks again!

I have them written down as they weren't easy to remember, but our D/R steward told us just to call him Adi, even though his name was much longer.

Our cabin stewards were Made (primarily) and Bobby.

I'll dig out the others and post. :)

Taxguy77
January 5th, 2009, 10:26 PM
One other thing I wanted to mention - we did not recive the "In Port" info guide for any of the ports except Grand Cayman.

Have they done away with it? I hope not... we sure missed it.

Most of the information we got on the Rdam in Nov. was eroneous. Wish they had kept their mouths shut.:mad:

sail7seas
January 5th, 2009, 10:47 PM
Laura...... Thanks for such a detailed review. So sorry to read about the glitches. Some of them never should have happened and you are right to say 'they' know they messed up.

On Maasdam, we had the port guide every day as usual. I always bring it ashore with us. How else does one know the name and contact info for the port agent? To me, that is important to have available Just In Case.

I would have been very unhappy with our cabin being made up at 2 P.M. That would not have pleased me.

Some of your tours sound awesome. So happy the girls enjoyed them so much. It was a great itinerary including the A, B, C Islands. Nice. And was good to read how good Lido, Room Service and the Dining Room were.

You went to a lot of trouble for our benefit to share details from your cruise and I really appreciate it. Rotterdam is a very beautiful ship IMO

Welcome Back and Happy New Year.

our turn
January 5th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Hi Laura,

Glad you are home safe but sorry you had a less than perfect cruise. I really hate that things did not go smooth at HMC- I know how much you love the Grand Oasis. We were on the Eurodam last month and our day at HMC was disappointing as well. The butler package was a joke.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed review. We actually enjoyed the new menu in the PG and dined there twice and loved the Tamarind as well.

Kim

sail7seas
January 5th, 2009, 11:05 PM
Meant to say, I noticed on Maasdam they no longer have the pretty wreaths on cabin doors. All other holiday cruises we remember them.

We liked Pinnacle's Menu but agree I missed the clam chowder. It's a treat I allow myself at least once per cruise. Something I never have at home anymore so it's something I look forward to. While you were gone, InTheWaSide got us and posted the recipe for Pinnacle's chowder. If you would like to make it at home. I'm happy to e-mail it to you if you don't want to search the board.

We once had a land vacation in Aruba and stayed at The Hyatt. They were really strict then about no one crossing their property to reach the beach. They can't keep you off the beach but they can keep you from walking through their pool area to get there.


Still so surprised how poorly they did the Oasis for you. That's really too bad as I know how much you enjoy it.

LAFFNVEGAS
January 5th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Our cabin stewards were Made (primarily) and Bobby.

I'll dig out the others and post. :)

When we were on the Amsterdam we had a gentleman by the name of Made as our cabin steward we were just forward of the Neptune on that cruise Port side. I wonder if it could be the same one?

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 11:38 PM
When we were on the Amsterdam we had a gentleman by the name of Made as our cabin steward we were just forward of the Neptune on that cruise Port side. I wonder if it could be the same one?

Possibly... he was an older gentleman and I had the distinct feeling he was fairly new, but could be wrong. He did not speak or understand English as well as we've become accustomed to on HAL, but aside from that, he tried really hard and it was obvious he wanted to please. We just never managed to get on the same page on some issues like pulling out the sofa bed (no one was sleeping in it and it kept getting made up each night) and the lateness of making up the cabin. We would go out around 8:00 or 9:00am or so and come back as late as 1:00pm and it still hadn't been done.

With the girls cabin, Komang made it up just as soon as they left it each day - our DD said he was always there within minutes of their exit, which is what we're used to. We know this because DD ALWAYS forgot something and had to go back, lol!

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 11:40 PM
Hi Laura,

Glad you are home safe but sorry you had a less than perfect cruise. I really hate that things did not go smooth at HMC- I know how much you love the Grand Oasis. We were on the Eurodam last month and our day at HMC was disappointing as well. The butler package was a joke.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed review. We actually enjoyed the new menu in the PG and dined there twice and loved the Tamarind as well.

Kim

Kim,

We can't wait to try Eurodam in March! I'm sure we're going to love it! Our last butler/cabana package wasn't so hot either. But remember how awesome the Grand Oasis was set up when we had it on Westerdam?

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Meant to say, I noticed on Maasdam they no longer have the pretty wreaths on cabin doors. All other holiday cruises we remember them.

We liked Pinnacle's Menu but agree I missed the clam chowder. It's a treat I allow myself at least once per cruise. Something I never have at home anymore so it's something I look forward to. While you were gone, InTheWaSide got us and posted the recipe for Pinnacle's chowder. If you would like to make it at home. I'm happy to e-mail it to you if you don't want to search the board.

We once had a land vacation in Aruba and stayed at The Hyatt. They were really strict then about no one crossing their property to reach the beach. They can't keep you off the beach but they can keep you from walking through their pool area to get there.


Still so surprised how poorly they did the Oasis for you. That's really too bad as I know how much you enjoy it.



Sail,

I really, really hated doing that at the Hyatt. As a matter of fact we actually walked down a ways before crossing over the property. I won't do it again. There are plenty of gorgeous public beaches on Aruba and I was disappointed the driver chose to pull something like that. By that point, we were just sweltering in his POS cab and wanted to get out.

I'd love the recipe for the Clam Chowder! I missed it so much. :)

ekerr19
January 5th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Laura...... Thanks for such a detailed review. So sorry to read about the glitches. Some of them never should have happened and you are right to say 'they' know they messed up.

On Maasdam, we had the port guide every day as usual. I always bring it ashore with us. How else does one know the name and contact info for the port agent? To me, that is important to have available Just In Case.

I would have been very unhappy with our cabin being made up at 2 P.M. That would not have pleased me.

Some of your tours sound awesome. So happy the girls enjoyed them so much. It was a great itinerary including the A, B, C Islands. Nice. And was good to read how good Lido, Room Service and the Dining Room were.

You went to a lot of trouble for our benefit to share details from your cruise and I really appreciate it. Rotterdam is a very beautiful ship IMO

Welcome Back and Happy New Year.


Thanks Sail. I really missed not having the port guide with the maps and info about beaches, highlights, port agent info etc.

We got very spoiled on our past two Maasdam cruises. All the officers were so friendly & outgoing, we so much enjoyed chatting with them, this was just so different. You know we only had to mention the ice issue once on that cruise and it was never an issue again. ;)

Dining on this cruise was a treat we haven't experienced at that level for quite some time and it made up for a lot.

Did you have the "silent disembarkation"? If so, what did you think?

We also really liked our CD - he was quite friendly and outgoing and had a great speaking voice.

our turn
January 6th, 2009, 12:36 AM
Kim,

We can't wait to try Eurodam in March! I'm sure we're going to love it! Our last butler/cabana package wasn't so hot either. But remember how awesome the Grand Oasis was set up when we had it on Westerdam?

Laura,

I think you will love the Eurodam. The Tamarind is fabulous and the Silk Den was our favorite place on the ship. And yes I remember how great the Grand Oasis was - we were bummed that we had reserved a cabana and didn't spend as much time there as we would have liked.

Hope our paths cross again one day. Give our love to Sonny!

Kim

sail7seas
January 6th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Thanks Sail. I really missed not having the port guide with the maps and info about beaches, highlights, port agent info etc.

We got very spoiled on our past two Maasdam cruises. All the officers were so friendly & outgoing, we so much enjoyed chatting with them, this was just so different. You know we only had to mention the ice issue once on that cruise and it was never an issue again. ;)

Dining on this cruise was a treat we haven't experienced at that level for quite some time and it made up for a lot.

Did you have the "silent disembarkation"? If so, what did you think?

We also really liked our CD - he was quite friendly and outgoing and had a great speaking voice.



:) Yes, I remember on Maasdam when you mentioned you needed ice, a call was made immediately and the situation was handled at once. Hotel Manager Firmin really is soo sooo sooo excellent.

We had silent disembark and seeing as we were going directly to PIer 66, we were early off. We know they always have our room ready for us so we may as well leave the ship and get on with the 'land portion' of our vacation. When we went to the gangway, there were some people trying to get off before their color/number was called. We were Pink One like you and had to dodge those who had been turned back by Security when they tried to leave early. There were a few people mumbling about 'here are some Pink Ones'...... they can get off but we can't. Didn't much like that but we were doing as we were permitted and instructed. Luggage claim for us was a dream. Because it was only Pink One and self debark people leaving, it took us less than 3 minutes to grab our four bags, a porter, breeze through Customs/Immigration and into a cabin in under five minutes from gangway to taxi. The pile of pink one luggage was very small - a "S" class ship doesn't have very many suites. :)

We're so looking forward to Eurodam and sailing with you again. Fun! I refuse to let smokers chase us out of Ocean Bar.
There were too many smokers in Ocean Bar on our cruise as well. Almost always, though the bar permits smoking, we find very few there. Once in a while we have to leave the area but this cruise we had to leave the bar area every night almost and we didn't like it, of course. You know we like to chat and play with the bartenders and like bar sitting. Couldn't do it.
There were too many smokers....most of whom were very rude and inconsiderate. Got so they knew we were not smokers and if we so much as tried to sit at the bar to see if we could bear it, they would be sure to stand right by us and blow the smoke. We're friends with those bartenders and they felt bad.....not to mention some were uncomfortable from all the smoke as well.

Our CD was Savannah...... the same one you had with us in August.
The delightful, fun,nice Chrissie was GRM and it was fun to see her again. Chef was the same Joachim Barelmann. We think he's very, very good! (....and nice as well.) :)

whogo
January 6th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Great review! Much better than mine: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?p=17575794#post17575794 Same cruise, different experiences. I stayed away from the Ocean Bar and felt there was less smoke than on previous cruises. You did not have our dining snags.

Sorry you missed the CC meet and greet, we would have loved to have met you and heard from such experienced cruisers.

mendicant98
January 6th, 2009, 06:18 PM
I wrote up a summary, also too long:

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=900759

Will be happy to respond to questions there.

ekerr19
January 7th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Thanks whogo and mendicant98 for your reviews and also for referencing mine.

Sorry we missed you - perhaps we will meet in the future. :)

We loved the decor and layout of the ship... any thoughts?

gizmo
January 7th, 2009, 08:11 AM
Thanks for the review. I enjoyed reading it.

Your experience with the Oasis sounds horrible. There is no excuse for what happened.

casavaha
January 11th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Ekerr19: Thanks for the review. We were on the Noordam & Westerdam for Christmas
& New Years. How was the music in the lounges? Ocean Bar, Crows Nest, Sailaway.
We do not go to shows but rather enjoy good danceable music. Also on NYE how long
did the live music last. On the Westerdam the live music finished at 12:30 plus the
Captain closed half the balcony in the Vista for a private party.

I really let one of the officers understand my unhappiness. If I had seen the captain, I
would have let him no my feelings. This is a service business from the Captain on down.
They are working because we are cruising.

Greg

ekerr19
January 11th, 2009, 11:26 PM
Greg,

We had live music quite late on a number of evenings. Even in the Ocean Bar, the trio would still be playing and people would be dancing when we returned after late dining, around 9 - 9:30 pm. The band seemed to play as long as there was an appreciative crowd and people were enjoying themselves.

In the Crow's Nest, they played quite late - 2-2:30am on a couple nights I heard - though we weren't up that late ourselves.

On New Year's Eve, the Crow's Nest was still active at about 4:30am, though I think the band stopped about 3:00am. We went to bed about 1:00, but our friends stayed up until 4:30am!

We felt the entertainment was quite good on our cruise - we didn't attend any of the shows, but enjoyed the music and even the DJ. Many folks stayed up much later than we, which was a first! Usually we go to bed early because there is nothing going on! :)

ekerr19
January 11th, 2009, 11:27 PM
Thanks for the review. I enjoyed reading it.

Your experience with the Oasis sounds horrible. There is no excuse for what happened.

Thanks gizmo. :) We made the most of it - the weather didn't help, sadly. But it all worked out.

twinkletoes4445
January 12th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Thanks for writing such a detailed review. There was no excuse for what happened at the Grand Oasis, but I'm happy it worked out for you.