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We are in a non haven Penthouse suite deck 14....were these refurbished too?

That's easy enough to solve....just turn the hot water on and rinse the spout off a few times...done!

I said in "certain situations"...or did you not read that? That said, you have control over not being around smokers by not being around smokers. It's that simple. Don't go to places where they are. I am not a smoker but I avoid smoking areas or buildings or places that allow it.

They did try on the Prima last May but we went to the MDR anyway...much more relaxing for a first day on the ship.

And according to this on the Joy they DID NOT create a smoking lounge next to the cigar lounge like someone posted.

True but you DO NOT have to go on a cruise to function either. There is some control over what goes into your lungs in certain situations.

On all the other ships, yes that is true, but not on the Joy. They removed those perks ONLY on the Joy. Don't ask me why but they did. When I first booked it I watched a travel agents promo for this suite on YouTube and it included many perks....then I Iearn here on Cruise Critic that they took most of them away about a year ago or so. Boo!

Why not get a "non Haven" Penhouse that does not have any special perks that other cannot join you in. We booked a very nice SC Penthouse on the Joy...it's not Haven. We don't have to choose what to do with my son and his girlfriend who will be in a balcony because they can do what we can do and go to the same places. You still have a nice cabin just no Haven perks.

So they are now getting away with not giving us a "free show" to replace the one they took away and giving us another thing to pay for that holds little to no entertainment value if you don't buy into it....and in the end having you walk out saying to yourself "why did I do this?" LOL I did go to the Price is Right on the Prima and the Deal or No Deal....it passed the time and I spent some money but I would have rather watched a good show instead. I think the cruise lines are making up for lost money during Covid.

If there is a private room that is vented for smokers....how does that impact YOU??? Why is it so important for there to be "no smoking" at all??? Please tell, I'll wait!

And there's this deck plan that was posted as well.

I think it was added during dry dock.....someone posted a picture of it.

I just saw a post on FB that there is NO more smoking area in Spice H20 on Joy. Anyone know if this is true? My son's girlfriend smokes and wants to know where she can do it. They said that this is a new recent rule. They did mention that there is an enclosed area by the pool for smoking. One would think they'd at least have ONE "open air" spot for smokers.

We stayed right next to them...no noise at all. Very convenient too.

THe At&T $50 at sea package is good for "just at sea", not in port. The "International package" for $10 per day is for "in port only". So if you want continuous connection to the outside world you need "both" packages. I did this last May on Prima and it worked out well.