NCL's new non smoking police....$250.00 fine

[fletchers5]

I am sure this will start a heated discussion.

You have to book a balcony in order to be able to smoke ( I know you have to smoke on the balcony, not in the cabin).

If you smoke in your cabin you will be fined $250.00. Is this per day or for the whole cruise?

If you normally book an inside cabin, upgrading to a balcony would cost you at least $700.00 more ( for 2 people). What if you smoked in your inside cabin. You would be fined $250.00.

This would be a lot cheaper than booking a balcony just in order to smoke.

Has anyone smoked in a cabin and been fined since the new rules???????

[LaCal]

Originally Posted by fletchers5

I am sure this will start a heated discussion.

You have to book a balcony in order to be able to smoke ( I know you have to smoke on the balcony, not in the cabin).

If you smoke in your cabin you will be fined $250.00. Is this per day or for the whole cruise?

If you normally book an inside cabin, upgrading to a balcony would cost you at least $700.00 more ( for 2 people). What if you smoked in your inside cabin. You would be fined $250.00.

This would be a lot cheaper than booking a balcony just in order to smoke.

Has anyone smoked in a cabin and been fined since the new rules???????

What happens if you smoke on your balcony and your door is open and the smoke goes in your room?


HMMM...Your room might smell like smoke......I dont think theyd be able to prove you actually smoked in your room and think the $250.00 fine is a Deterent Only and WONT Be Enforced....

I will be smoking on our balcony this coming May and in the Casino.......

[SteveH2508]

Originally Posted by LaCal

What happens if you smoke on your balcony and your door is open and the smoke goes in your room?


HMMM...Your room might smell like smoke......I dont think theyd be able to prove you actually smoked in your room and think the $250.00 fine is a Deterent Only and WONT Be Enforced....

I will be smoking on our balcony this coming May and in the Casino.......

For the possible $250 fine I would make sure I shut the door! I shall have to revert to cigarettes as my smoke of choice (small cigars) are no longer allowed on the balcony

I suspect they might warn for a 1st offence and then fine for persistent offenders. I do not intend to find out - I would rather use $250 for Martinis/Casino/Le Bistro etc..

[vols_159]

Originally Posted by SteveH2508

For the possible $250 fine I would make sure I shut the door! I shall have to revert to cigarettes as my smoke of choice (small cigars) are no longer allowed on the balcony

I suspect they might warn for a 1st offence and then fine for persistent offenders. I do not intend to find out - I would rather use $250 for Martinis/Casino/Le Bistro etc..

Never understand why the ban cigars and not cigaretters.. Cigars smell better than cigarettes

[donaldsc]

Originally Posted by vols_159

Never understand why the ban cigars and not cigaretters.. Cigars smell better than cigarettes

You are kidding. You must be. You can't be serious. Cigars smell worse than anything on earth.

DON

[BetsyBoots]

Originally Posted by LaCal

What happens if you smoke on your balcony and your door is open and the smoke goes in your room?


HMMM...Your room might smell like smoke......I dont think theyd be able to prove you actually smoked in your room and think the $250.00 fine is a Deterent Only and WONT Be Enforced....

I will be smoking on our balcony this coming May and in the Casino.......

That is what happended to me on RCL last year..I would smoke on the balcony withthr door opn..Dure enough, one morning the supervisor tapped on the door and advised me that I must keep the balcony door closed and I would be fined 250 if I did not comply ! I was surprised that the smoke really traveled that far, but I guess it did !

[Cruisin&Relaxin]

NCL has my full support of this policy. I have no problems with it at all.

[che5904]

I don't book anything below a balcony anyway, so I have no intention on smoking in my cabin or booking anything less than a balcony in the future.

I'm sure anyone that would consider breaking this policy are the same people who think breaking any policy on NCL is OK. You either respect a company's rules or you don't, I seriously don't think the money is a deterrent one way or the other. Quite simple IMO.

Hey maybe if they have success charging for this broken rule, they will consider charging for all rules that passengers break like booze smuggling, chair hogging etc etc etc.

[shamrock58]

Originally Posted by che5904

I don't book anything below a balcony anyway, so I have no intention on smoking in my cabin or booking anything less than a balcony in the future.

I'm sure anyone that would consider breaking this policy are the same people who think breaking any policy on NCL is OK. You either respect a company's rules or you don't, I seriously don't think the money is a deterrent one way or the other. Quite simple IMO.

Hey maybe if they have success charging for this broken rule, they will consider charging for all rules that passengers break like booze smuggling, chair hogging etc etc etc.

Chair hogging and smuggling booze are not detrimental to other peoples health. These actions might infringe on others peoples comfort, but I could suffer that but not a smokie stateroom. Yuk

[kirsty_r]

What was the fine/penalty before for breaking the rules? I'm pretty sure last year on the EPIC it was pretty hefty? I didn't look properly as it didn't affect us.

[che5904]

Originally Posted by kirsty_r

What was the fine/penalty before for breaking the rules? I'm pretty sure last year on the EPIC it was pretty hefty? I didn't look properly as it didn't affect us.

Nothing that I know of, people seem to be able to break whatever policy they wish to without any financial consequences. Except of course this one. This new policy with a price tag attached came in Jan. 1/12.

[dwjoe]

Originally Posted by fletchers5

If you normally book an inside cabin, upgrading to a balcony would cost you at least $700.00 more ( for 2 people). What if you smoked in your inside cabin. You would be fined $250.00.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it.

The cabins are no smoking.

Please respect the rules.

Thanks!

[sbb1256]

Originally Posted by dwjoe

I think that's the wrong way to look at it.

The cabins are no smoking.

Please respect the rules.

Thanks!

Really! I'm a smoker and wouldn't think of breaking the ships smoking rules. In fact, I would smoke on my balcony, even IF they allowed it in the room. It's only fair to my DH, who is a nonsmoker.

This is why smokers have such a bad rep. Geesh, be polite, people - obey the rules and respect your co-passengers!

[DMH15]

Wow! This thread has run the gamut since I was last here.

Here are the facts: NCL makes the rules. They are influenced by many factors. Customer feedback being one. Dollars being another. Rules may change at any time, and while unfortunate for some, NCL has this covered in their contract.

NCL's smoking policy is outlined in their FAQs on the website. Those who wish to smoke and those who are opposed to it should read the rules. It amazes me when someone comes on here and starts off tgeir post saying something like "I am booked on NCL and just learned they allow smoking and I am allergic" or ""I'm booked and I just learned I can't smoke in my cabin", (I am not talking about recent poster who did research and then discovered NCL changed the rules.)

If you are a non-smoker who does not like NCL's rules and gets upset with smokers who follow NCL's policies,to a detriment that your vacation, then YOU perhaps should have booked another line. As long as smokers are following the rules set out by NCL they should not be treated poorly with comments, gestures or such. And, as happened to me on X before, before the casino was totally smoke free, sometimes a smoker would accidentally wander into the non smoking section. All I would have to do is say in a friendly, non-threatening way, "excuse me, this section is non smoking". 100% of the time they would either apologize and leave or put it out.

To walk through a smoking section, the casino or even on your ownbalcony next to smokers, these folks are following the rules. They are doing nothing wrong. So rude comments and gestures are NEVER acceptable. A kind word will get you so much further. Just think about it... When someone attacks you, what are you likely to respond with? Especially if you are within tbe rules and policies!

Now if a smoker is not following the rules, and a nice request or reminder is rebuffed then NCL should step in if asked to.

I have never smoked. I travel with my mother who was a 3 pack a day smoker when I was little. She quit in the early 80's. My father tried but couldn't. Finally, after a triple bypass he quit. But it was too late. He died of congestive heart failure. He said he wished he had quit sooner, but he was human. Maybe because I have struggled with my weight for years, I understand smokers more than others. I have a wonderful SIL who has tried every method of quitting but always goes back. She is extremely considerate and since she would really like to quit I hope one day she can. But if she doesn't, I know she is considerate and would never disregard rules and policies. So, when I encounter smokers this comes to mind. Just in this thread I have read of couples where one smokes and the other doesn't. They make it work... they have to. Or else.

As a gambler I only wish NCL would have something better for non smokers. Why not 2 casinos on new ships? Or even a non smoking night ro two as other lines have. In Dallas, when bingo halls, restaurants and such banned smoking there was an uproar. But now bingo halls and restsurants are full and some smokers have actually said they enjoy it. A lot of smoker actually do not want to smoke in a smoky environment. So, outdoors is the best alternative.

Yes, I could choose another line. I could cruise on X, and I might on occasion, just to experience that smoke free casino... But I love the NCL suite life so much that trumps thst desire. So, if I choose NCL, I know what I have signed up for. My balcony neighbor might be a smoker, or the person at the slot machine next to me might be a smoker. Heck it might even be che. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

[mesci14]

Originally Posted by DMH15

Wow! This thread has run the gamut since I was last here.

Here are the facts: NCL makes the rules. They are influenced by many factors. Customer feedback being one. Dollars being another. Rules may change at any time, and while unfortunate for some, NCL has this covered in their contract.

NCL's smoking policy is outlined in their FAQs on the website. Those who wish to smoke and those who are opposed to it should read the rules. It amazes me when someone comes on here and starts off tgeir post saying something like "I am booked on NCL and just learned they allow smoking and I am allergic" or ""I'm booked and I just learned I can't smoke in my cabin", (I am not talking about recent poster who did research and then discovered NCL changed the rules.)

If you are a non-smoker who does not like NCL's rules and gets upset with smokers who follow NCL's policies,to a detriment that your vacation, then YOU perhaps should have booked another line. As long as smokers are following the rules set out by NCL they should not be treated poorly with comments, gestures or such. And, as happened to me on X before, before the casino was totally smoke free, sometimes a smoker would accidentally wander into the non smoking section. All I would have to do is say in a friendly, non-threatening way, "excuse me, this section is non smoking". 100% of the time they would either apologize and leave or put it out.

To walk through a smoking section, the casino or even on your ownbalcony next to smokers, these folks are following the rules. They are doing nothing wrong. So rude comments and gestures are NEVER acceptable. A kind word will get you so much further. Just think about it... When someone attacks you, what are you likely to respond with? Especially if you are within tbe rules and policies!

Now if a smoker is not following the rules, and a nice request or reminder is rebuffed then NCL should step in if asked to.

I have never smoked. I travel with my mother who was a 3 pack a day smoker when I was little. She quit in the early 80's. My father tried but couldn't. Finally, after a triple bypass he quit. But it was too late. He died of congestive heart failure. He said he wished he had quit sooner, but he was human. Maybe because I have struggled with my weight for years, I understand smokers more than others. I have a wonderful SIL who has tried every method of quitting but always goes back. She is extremely considerate and since she would really like to quit I hope one day she can. But if she doesn't, I know she is considerate and would never disregard rules and policies. So, when I encounter smokers this comes to mind. Just in this thread I have read of couples where one smokes and the other doesn't. They make it work... they have to. Or else.

As a gambler I only wish NCL would have something better for non smokers. Why not 2 casinos on new ships? Or even a non smoking night ro two as other lines have. In Dallas, when bingo halls, restaurants and such banned smoking there was an uproar. But now bingo halls and restsurants are full and some smokers have actually said they enjoy it. A lot of smoker actually do not want to smoke in a smoky environment. So, outdoors is the best alternative.

Yes, I could choose another line. I could cruise on X, and I might on occasion, just to experience that smoke free casino... But I love the NCL suite life so much that trumps thst desire. So, if I choose NCL, I know what I have signed up for. My balcony neighbor might be a smoker, or the person at the slot machine next to me might be a smoker. Heck it might even be che. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

I think both of those suggestions are great ideas to meet the needs of both smokers and nonsmokers in casinos...

[che5904]

Originally Posted by DMH15

Wow! This thread has run the gamut since I was last here.

Here are the facts: NCL makes the rules. They are influenced by many factors. Customer feedback being one. Dollars being another. Rules may change at any time, and while unfortunate for some, NCL has this covered in their contract.

Heck it might even be che. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

I think you said a mouthful with that one. You are so right. As I wrote on another thread. They pay the bills so they can make the policies. And one day when I get rich and famous . I'll have my own cruise line and set my own rules, until then I just accept whatever line I have chosen and deal with what I don't like or don't cruise that line or don't cruise at all.

BTW Donna I truly hope we do travel together one day, because I think we could have a blast.

[LaCal]

Originally Posted by DMH15

Wow! This thread has run the gamut since I was last here.

Here are the facts: NCL makes the rules. They are influenced by many factors. Customer feedback being one. Dollars being another. Rules may change at any time, and while unfortunate for some, NCL has this covered in their contract.

NCL's smoking policy is outlined in their FAQs on the website. Those who wish to smoke and those who are opposed to it should read the rules. It amazes me when someone comes on here and starts off tgeir post saying something like "I am booked on NCL and just learned they allow smoking and I am allergic" or ""I'm booked and I just learned I can't smoke in my cabin", (I am not talking about recent poster who did research and then discovered NCL changed the rules.)

If you are a non-smoker who does not like NCL's rules and gets upset with smokers who follow NCL's policies,to a detriment that your vacation, then YOU perhaps should have booked another line. As long as smokers are following the rules set out by NCL they should not be treated poorly with comments, gestures or such. And, as happened to me on X before, before the casino was totally smoke free, sometimes a smoker would accidentally wander into the non smoking section. All I would have to do is say in a friendly, non-threatening way, "excuse me, this section is non smoking". 100% of the time they would either apologize and leave or put it out.

To walk through a smoking section, the casino or even on your ownbalcony next to smokers, these folks are following the rules. They are doing nothing wrong. So rude comments and gestures are NEVER acceptable. A kind word will get you so much further. Just think about it... When someone attacks you, what are you likely to respond with? Especially if you are within tbe rules and policies!

Now if a smoker is not following the rules, and a nice request or reminder is rebuffed then NCL should step in if asked to.

I have never smoked. I travel with my mother who was a 3 pack a day smoker when I was little. She quit in the early 80's. My father tried but couldn't. Finally, after a triple bypass he quit. But it was too late. He died of congestive heart failure. He said he wished he had quit sooner, but he was human. Maybe because I have struggled with my weight for years, I understand smokers more than others. I have a wonderful SIL who has tried every method of quitting but always goes back. She is extremely considerate and since she would really like to quit I hope one day she can. But if she doesn't, I know she is considerate and would never disregard rules and policies. So, when I encounter smokers this comes to mind. Just in this thread I have read of couples where one smokes and the other doesn't. They make it work... they have to. Or else.

As a gambler I only wish NCL would have something better for non smokers. Why not 2 casinos on new ships? Or even a non smoking night ro two as other lines have. In Dallas, when bingo halls, restaurants and such banned smoking there was an uproar. But now bingo halls and restsurants are full and some smokers have actually said they enjoy it. A lot of smoker actually do not want to smoke in a smoky environment. So, outdoors is the best alternative.

Yes, I could choose another line. I could cruise on X, and I might on occasion, just to experience that smoke free casino... But I love the NCL suite life so much that trumps thst desire. So, if I choose NCL, I know what I have signed up for. My balcony neighbor might be a smoker, or the person at the slot machine next to me might be a smoker. Heck it might even be che. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

Your Post was the BEST one on here about this subject....

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG....

[elwood_98034]

For the smokers who insist that they have their right to enjoyment and relaxation, I would ask them to consider that their smoking has a direct negative impact on other people.

I get asthma and sinus infections if I am exposed to heavy smoke, and therefore have to travel with antibiotics. Just in case.
Some smokers struggle to embrace that, but if they liken it to standing on their balcony having a smoke and someone is upwind urinating on them they might get an inkling of what it is like to experience it. Horrible? Yes it is.

It always saddens me when smokers become aggressive about their rights, when many of them seem to have no problem at all infringing on mine.

[SteveH2508]

Originally Posted by fletchers5

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If you normally book an inside cabin, upgrading to a balcony would cost you at least $700.00 more ( for 2 people). What if you smoked in your inside cabin. You would be fined $250.00.

This would be a lot cheaper than booking a balcony just in order to smoke.

<snip>

When you factor in the air-fare home from wherever they put you off the ship then it does not seem so clear cut .

[che5904]

Originally Posted by SteveH2508

When you factor in the air-fare home from wherever they put you off the ship then it does not seem so clear cut .

Who said they were kicking anyone off of the ship, they stated there would be a $250 fine. If you paid it they would have no reason to kick you off. Would they?