Should cruise passengers have a passenger bill of rights like the Airlines?

[dan40]

Originally Posted by Snorkel2Much

The point has been repeatedly made in this thread that different itineraries of equal length are priced quite differently. The pax in your example would be financially out that theoretical "Itinerary Premium" they paid.

The itinerary is only one of a myriad of factors that make up the pricing of a particular sailing. You could find many examples of sailings by the same ship on the same itinerary just 2 weeks apart and 25% plus or minus in their pricing. Or that cruise in May could be 40% less that the same cruise in June.
And in all cases, if the cruise is selling well the price goes up. If it is selling slowly, the price drops.


Weather, sickness, insurrections, are beyond the control of any cruise line. The ONLY point in this whole thread is if the company knowingly left port with a broken ship. If that could be proved it is a case for a suit. Not a case for our incompetents in DC to screw up beyond all recognition. It might also be something the USCG might find interesting.
But it is not a case for adding a new useless law to our hundreds of thousands of already useless laws.

[Snorkel2Much]

Originally Posted by halos

{genuine questions below, not soleley directed at you}

Do (any of) you think there is even a remote possibility that the cruise lines will ever give the refund expected by some of you for missed ports?
If so, why do you think they would even consider it?
They already seem to do this on many occasions (when they notify pax in advance) my issue would be with chronic issues that aren't disclosed.

If they continue to do as they have been doing, will you continue to cruise?
Probably, given my opinion that the current situation is not widespread yet.

If you cruise and miss a port and aren't satisfied with the compensation, what is it that you will do?
It definitely depends on the specific situation, and how/when it is communicated.

How many times missing ports and not being compensated to your satisfaction will it take before you give up on cruising? Or will you just continue?
That depends on the specific circumstances, I don't have a predefined trigger.

just honestly curious.

.... and I've honestly answered.

[Snorkel2Much]

Originally Posted by dan40

The itinerary is only one of a myriad of factors that make up the pricing of a particular sailing. You could find many examples of sailings by the same ship on the same itinerary just 2 weeks apart and 25% plus or minus in their pricing. Or that cruise in May could be 40% less that the same cruise in June.
And in all cases, if the cruise is selling well the price goes up. If it is selling slowly, the price drops.....<snip>.....

While I agree with all that you've posted here, not one single bit of it either proves or disproves the existence of an 'Itinerary Premium", and therefore is irrelevant to the context of my post you quoted.

[dan40]

Originally Posted by Snorkel2Much

While I agree with all that you've posted here, not one single bit of it either proves or disproves the existence of an 'Itinerary Premium", and therefore is irrelevant to the context of my post you quoted.

Well I could say that nothing you have said proves or disproves that any "Itinerary Premium," exists or ever did exist. But then I'd be picking the fly poop out of the pepper like you are. So I won't say that!

[steveaaaaa]

Originally Posted by dan40

One wonders why you would even consider cruising!

After a few dozen cruises the cruise itself is boring.How many "Band on the run" showings can one endure.How many times do we need to hear the top 10 favorite stupid questions from the CD?
How many times do we need to be subjected to the singing in the MDR?

For a new cruiser its great,but to a seasoned cruiser its different.You should know,as you have more under your belt than I do.Plus to top it off,you live 30 miles south of me and you know what we have here.We have our own cruise basics.Nice beaches and we both live close to them,nice weather,some decent eating establishments,entertainment up the wazoo 60 miles north in Orlando,we have slot machine arcardes everywhere,plus our poker parlors and casinos in the state.Bars and night clubs and many activities to keep us occupied.
Even last night we sailed on the paddle boat. http://www.indianriverqueen.com/index.html

So to answer your question, I sail for the ports and the ship is my means of transportation of ourselves and our scuba gear.
Plus I cruise for free thanks to points.

Steve

[dan40]

Originally Posted by steveaaaaa

After a few dozen cruises the cruise itself is boring.How many "Band on the run" showings can one endure.How many times do we need to hear the top 10 favorite stupid questions from the CD?
How many times do we need to be subjected to the singing in the MDR?

For a new cruiser its great,but to a seasoned cruiser its different.You should know,as you have more under your belt than I do.Plus to top it off,you live 30 miles south of me and you know what we have here.We have our own cruise basics.Nice beaches and we both live close to them,nice weather,some decent eating establishments,entertainment up the wazoo 60 miles north in Orlando,we have slot machine arcardes everywhere,plus our poker parlors and casinos in the state.Bars and night clubs and many activities to keep us occupied.
Even last night we sailed on the paddle boat. http://www.indianriverqueen.com/index.html

So to answer your question, I sail for the ports and the ship is my means of transportation of ourselves and our scuba gear.
Plus I cruise for free thanks to points.

You are attempting to misuse a floating resort as "transportation." If you want transportation to a CERTAIN place you need to book a conveyance that actually contracts to transport you there. Cruiselines contract to take you on a cruise. There are multiple disclaimers in the contract that point out the itinerary is flexible for ANY reason. If you fail to understand that contract, or wish to block it from you mind as it is inconvenient for your premise, that's your own personal issue. You don't book Sandals hoping they'll take you to Aruba. Sandals is a grounded resort, ships are floating resorts, NOT transportation.
OR, only book repositioning and/or transoceanic cruises. They will end up at their planned final destination

Steve

Its has been over 5 years, maybe over 10 years since I've gone to a ship show other than a comedy show. And at least 15 years and prolly more since I've attended a CD info talk.
I do agree with you 100% on the DR singing, its hokey and awful. Luckily we are not big on desserts, so when the amateurish show starts, we walk out.
I simply love being at sea. Must have been a seafarer in a former life. Maybe a pirate RRRRrrr.

Where we live and what we have reminds me of ANOTHER story,,,,,,

A lawyer friend of mine from Melbourne [not connected to CCC123, I hope!] and I were having breakfast across from the beach one morning. He said, "I'm going to take a vacation!" "Dan, you've been all over the world, where can I go that has great weather, good beaches, pretty girls, good food and night life?" I tilted my head like a curious dog and said, "Walk across the street, you are living in Paradise!" He really couldn't see the beaches[forest] for the babes[trees]!


Maybe because I've been fortunate enough to have been all over the world [Antarctica is the only continent I haven't been to, and prolly won't] that the ports are not a big issue with me. Even tho I do book for the Itinerary, if it changes, I'm not really bothered much. Part of an attractive itinerary to me is a fair balance between sea days and port days. Those cruises with one port day after another hold no interest no matter which ports they are. Its the CRUISING!

EDIT: Went on a Do Wop cruise less than 5 years ago. Did go to those shows.

[halos]

Originally Posted by Snorkel2Much

.... and I've honestly answered.

and I deeply appreciate that.
Now the big question...do you honestly believe that what you'd like to see in terms of compensation for missed porst is ever going to happen?? And why should it since the lines have this pretty much buttoned tight by not guaranteeing ports.

[halos]

Originally Posted by steveaaaaa

After a few dozen cruises the cruise itself is boring.How many "Band on the run" showings can one endure.How many times do we need to hear the top 10 favorite stupid questions from the CD?
How many times do we need to be subjected to the singing in the MDR?

For a new cruiser its great,but to a seasoned cruiser its different.You should know,as you have more under your belt than I do.Plus to top it off,you live 30 miles south of me and you know what we have here.We have our own cruise basics.Nice beaches and we both live close to them,nice weather,some decent eating establishments,entertainment up the wazoo 60 miles north in Orlando,we have slot machine arcardes everywhere,plus our poker parlors and casinos in the state.Bars and night clubs and many activities to keep us occupied.
Even last night we sailed on the paddle boat. http://www.indianriverqueen.com/index.html

So to answer your question, I sail for the ports and the ship is my means of transportation of ourselves and our scuba gear.
Plus I cruise for free thanks to points.

Steve

Steve, I was just on a two week cruise and didn't even step into the theater for a show until like day 12...we saw that one show the entire cruise. I don't cruise for the shows anymore...like you said, it gets old.
BUT the cruise does not get old for me. I can't imagine it ever will.

[Kurbanfan]

Originally Posted by halos

and I deeply appreciate that.
Now the big question...do you honestly believe that what you'd like to see in terms of compensation for missed porst is ever going to happen?? And why should it since the lines have this pretty much buttoned tight by not guaranteeing ports.

Actually it already has....... Splendor swine flu cruise for instance.........

[kyrisong1]

Originally Posted by Kurbanfan

The cruiselines make more money when not in port.......drinks and casino......The passengers loose way more then $20 when they don't port........cruises are priced differently by itinerary.........

I don't follow your logic Kurban, if the port fee is kicked back to the passenger how are they losing more money than if they were in port?
People CHOOSE to drink or gamble, it's not a forced thing.
I think it's sad for people when the ship can't make it to port, but I truly think the cruise line would get those people to port if they could.
And the point is a bill of rights is made for those that are being abused or mistreated by a certain entity, ie: patients bill of rights, airline customers bill of rights, walmart shoppers bill of rights (slipped that one in heheh)
I would love to know the statistics of ships not making it to ports and compare it to the airlines making their flights on time.

[Snorkel2Much]

Originally Posted by halos

and I deeply appreciate that.
Now the big question...do you honestly believe that what you'd like to see in terms of compensation for missed porst is ever going to happen?? And why should it since the lines have this pretty much buttoned tight by not guaranteeing ports.

You appreciated my answers, but did you read them? Because I already addressed this question above in my earlier reply.

[waiting4acruise]

Originally Posted by halos

and I deeply appreciate that.
Now the big question...do you honestly believe that what you'd like to see in terms of compensation for missed porst is ever going to happen?? And why should it since the lines have this pretty much buttoned tight by not guaranteeing ports.

Originally Posted by Kurbanfan

Actually it already has....... Splendor swine flu cruise for instance.........

And the Ecstasy swine flu cruise also.

[steveaaaaa]

Originally Posted by dan40

Where we live and what we have reminds me of ANOTHER story,,,,,,

A lawyer friend of mine from Melbourne [not connected to CCC123, I hope!] and I were having breakfast across from the beach one morning. He said, "I'm going to take a vacation!" "Dan, you've been all over the world, where can I go that has great weather, good beaches, pretty girls, good food and night life?" I tilted my head like a curious dog and said, "Walk across the street, you are living in Paradise!" He really couldn't see the beaches[forest] for the babes[trees]!


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Good story!!!
Steve