John Heald's feelings toward TG/CD???

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#1
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Some of you may know that the Carnival brand ambassador is John Heald. I'm a little ticked today due to a joke he made in one of his facebook postings that seems to be a cut at the GLBT community. He insinuated that transgender/CD is inherently wrong and a crime. Sad that a line which makes a point of having a scheduled GLBT meeting allow someone who represents them to be so insensitive...*sigh* So tired of the intolerance.

In reference to his wife trying to let his MIL sit in his favorite chair:

"...What………no, no, no sodding no……that is one of the most important man rules…….. nobody sits in the chair but you! Having rumpy pumpy with another man’s wife is unacceptable, as is calling yourself Lucinda when you quite clearly have an Adams apple and a gentleman,s sausage but sitting in my chair is a far worse crime."
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I dont see your point . I see nothing wrong with what he said . but thats just me . john has a very warped sence of humor.
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He's a pig. He plays to a very base crowd who probably find the humor on most cartoons to be sophisticated.
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Originally posted by andr3a
Some of you may know that the Carnival brand ambassador is John Heald. I'm a little ticked today due to a joke he made in one of his facebook postings that seems to be a cut at the GLBT community. He insinuated that transgender/CD is inherently wrong and a crime. Sad that a line which makes a point of having a scheduled GLBT meeting allow someone who represents them to be so insensitive...*sigh* So tired of the intolerance.

In reference to his wife trying to let his MIL sit in his favorite chair:

"...What………no, no, no sodding no……that is one of the most important man rules…….. nobody sits in the chair but you! Having rumpy pumpy with another man’s wife is unacceptable, as is calling yourself Lucinda when you quite clearly have an Adams apple and a gentleman,s sausage but sitting in my chair is a far worse crime."
Stupid comment IMHO but I think you have to read "crime" in context here.
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I don't find his comments offensive. Stupid? Yes. Playing to a very low common denominator? You bet. But not offensive. But then again, its pretty darn hard to offend me. Its about intent, not the words themselves.
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I don't know who this guy is, but I'm a bald, fat (used to be in great shape) gay comedian who is half crippled from 8 bad discs. I make jokes about everything. Yes, I'm careful not to insult people when doing comedy in front of an audience, but part of comedy is laughing at and finding humor in things that others may see as an issue. Part of it is to take the issue and make it a non issue. I remember once doing a show in NYC I was leaving the green room after a show and waiting for someone who was in the restroom, they shared a hallway. I had a bit about Sally Struthers being perfect for Richard Simmons as one of his lackeys because she's in need of work, she's fat and she cries (at the time she was doing "save the children" commercials). A morbidly obese woman looked at me like she wanted to kill me. Nevermind that I did bald jokes, jokes about being the only white guy in the Bronx, etc... I was the bad guy in her eyes for telling a joke about Sally effing Struthers because she was obese.
So everyone is entitled to their opinion, I don't know this guy and how he comes across to people, but I do know that most comedians just want to see or make someone smile and bring a little happiness into the world. If he is hateful of people to be hateful, that's another issue. I have noticed that in this day and age people tend to get insulted by everything. IMO the world is too politically correct and people need to take to heart what my mom taught me at an early age... sticks and stones etc...
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His jokes are about farts and poop and those jokes appeal to most of the demographic of Carnival.
I have to admit, I laugh too but look for more from my CD.
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#10
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Originally posted by Hobie
His jokes are about farts and poop and those jokes appeal to most of the demographic of Carnival.
I have to admit, I laugh too but look for more from my CD.
I see. As a cruise director, he should be tailoring what he says to not offend his potential customers, at least when he's posting stuff that gets into cruise related sites. That's different than standing up for the right to tell a good joke, which is really all I was saying. I did a few minutes at the meet n greet on the cruise we just finished, and knowing there would be children, I had to tone down the act a bit, get rid of all the curse words. A couple of the jokes were not as funny but that's what it takes sometimes. You have to keep your audience in mind. Offending someone in a comedy club, at least to me, is reasonably acceptable as long as you aren't attacking someone or something with malice. Sounds like this gentleman either has no filter or a faulty one.


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#11
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It's really about the callous disregard for anyone's lifestyle that deviates from the norm, particularly from a public figure who represents a company that *attempts* to cater to said demographic.

I doubt the majority would be ok with him making jokes about jews, the mentally disabled, or any other "acceptable" minority, but it remains ok to show disdain for members of the GLBT community, in jest or otherwise.

The ridiculous term "that's gay!" is still very popular in much of society. I wish people would think before they speak is all, especially when they speak for a living.
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Originally posted by GriffinAlexander
I don't know who this guy is, but I'm a bald, fat (used to be in great shape) gay comedian who is half crippled from 8 bad discs. I make jokes about everything. Yes, I'm careful not to insult people when doing comedy in front of an audience, but part of comedy is laughing at and finding humor in things that others may see as an issue. Part of it is to take the issue and make it a non issue. I remember once doing a show in NYC I was leaving the green room after a show and waiting for someone who was in the restroom, they shared a hallway. I had a bit about Sally Struthers being perfect for Richard Simmons as one of his lackeys because she's in need of work, she's fat and she cries (at the time she was doing "save the children" commercials). A morbidly obese woman looked at me like she wanted to kill me. Nevermind that I did bald jokes, jokes about being the only white guy in the Bronx, etc... I was the bad guy in her eyes for telling a joke about Sally effing Struthers because she was obese.
So everyone is entitled to their opinion, I don't know this guy and how he comes across to people, but I do know that most comedians just want to see or make someone smile and bring a little happiness into the world. If he is hateful of people to be hateful, that's another issue. I have noticed that in this day and age people tend to get insulted by everything. IMO the world is too politically correct and people need to take to heart what my mom taught me at an early age... sticks and stones etc...
I would say most comedians just want to get a laugh, if they're making fun of people to do so, they're not really trying to bring "happiness" to the world, clearly the obese woman was not happy, eh? Entertainers are outgoing, they like attention, it's not really a "labor of love" is it? No offense, but, don't you like the attention more than anything?

That's all well and good, but have you ever had sticks and stones thrown at you because of who you choose to be with? Have you ever been asked to leave a public swimming pool for putting your arms around your partner? IMO this isn't about PC, it's not just people making jokes, people get killed, ostracized, lose jobs and family because of their lifestyle.
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Anyone who reads his blog knows that the only people he truly dislikes are the French. My partner and I had the pleasure of meeting John before and I read his blog occasionally (I like the cartoons). He even had sparkling wine and an Anniversary cake sent to our cabin when he found out were were celebrating 20 years together.

I don't know why he wrote the statement in the op's post. I don't think he meant it as hateful, but an off attempt at humor. Hell, he makes many comments about poor straight Calvyn breathing heavy at George Clooney movies and having an effiminate underwear drawer. Should straight people be up in arms over those statements? Below is the full excerpt from John's statment. I'll go back to my cartoons now.


"Good evening from the UK where the Heald family have had a day of rest and fun.

Kye and I had some quality time today at the lark as she went down the slide 32675 times followed by 2 ice crewms from a pace called Rossi on Southend Seafront, argubaly the best ice cream in the world and so much better then Hagen Arse and Baskin Bastards. Oh, it was 2 ice creams because aye dropped hers moments afte...r I had paid for it and the only way to stop the hysterical tears was to buy another.

Anyway, I was looking forward to an afternoon by the TV watching the Formula One race from Bahrain and some sacccccccer but there was a major problem.

You see, I was horrified to discover that Heidi had moved my “man space”…….…the only bit I have in the whole house……. my chair.

This is the most important thing in the house as far as I am concerned. It was placed in the perfect position to give me the best view of the television, nothing was blocking the view and if anything ever did I would kick it out of the way. That’s the law. If something is blocking your view of the TV you must kick it out of the way. Wives, pets, mother in laws and small children …..none shall escape the Heald boot……this is not that feng shui bollocks….. this is man shui.

Anyway, Heidi had moved my chair because she wanted to rearrange the furniture a bit before her Mum arrives because after I leave for the Carnival Breeze her Mum is coming to stay for a week or twelve and likes to sit in my Lazy Boy chair!

What………no, no, no sodding no……that is one of the most important man rules…….. nobody sits in the chair but you! Having rumpy pumpy with another man’s wife is unacceptable, as is calling yourself Lucinda when you quite clearly have an Adams apple and a gentleman,s sausage but sitting in my chair is a far worse crime.

Heidi had also committed another crime. Not only had she suggested that her Mother would be sitting in my chair but she had decorated it with ………and some of you may want to look away or have a bucket standing by in which to collect the vomit…….Heidi had decorated MY chair with cushions……………yes………………..fluffy cream coloured scatter cushions. Oh FFS!

This is my chair and I cannot sit there and deliver sermons and opinions on things I know bugger all about (bit like some who post here and on the cruise boards) from a sea of cushions….…..my chair looks as manly and butch as Calvyn's underwear drawer."
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Gee, another reason I'm not sorry I don't cruise Carnival...

Feh!
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Then I guess this means that dear John will NOT be on the Splendor when Atlantis has their Halloween cruise this year. Also I hear he doesn't like Europop music either.
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Originally posted by shepp
Gee, another reason I'm not sorry I don't cruise Carnival...

Feh!
Being in Costa Maya several years back we had our ship(QM2)a Celebrity ship & a Carnival ship. The Carnival people were half smashed, wearing really bad Hawaiian shirts. They all wound up at the shore side bar, wereas the rest of us went shopping & took in the sites of the area. Hotels still were not built. There was no local real permanant development. Everything was on "wheels". I'm sure it's changed in the 6 yearts since we were there last.
#17
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This thread is priceless.

The OP was offended by a disparaging comment made by John Heald.

Rest of the thread is disparaging comments about the people who would sail on Carnival.
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Originally posted by maxamuus
This thread is priceless.

The OP was offended by a disparaging comment made by John Heald.

Rest of the thread is disparaging comments about the people who would sail on Carnival.
I didn't say a thing about people that cruise on Carnival.
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Originally posted by vaguy22
Then I guess this means that dear John will NOT be on the Splendor when Atlantis has their Halloween cruise this year. Also I hear he doesn't like Europop music either.
You can count on that. At least you won't be subjected to his comments about his farts and hemorrhoids. Those are two of his favorite topics. Doesn't take much to amuse his fans.
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The comment that he made in the blog was to me funny becuase I have followed the blog and met John on several occassions. I met John with my ex on our fifth anniversiary cruise and he made it a point to send something to our cabin for us.

How many of you talking down about the people that cruise on Carnival have ever been on a Carnival cruise?
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