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"The stricken cruise liner Costa Concordia is to be righted and refloated in what will be the biggest operation of its kind ever seen.Ummm, the Normandie capsized in PORT. It would be way easier to re-right a ship in port with all the resources the port has right there, especially the heavy lifting cranes. They are re-righting the Concordia in the middle of the Mediterranean and NOT in a port.
This was the biggest.
Concordia will be "easy" compared to Normandie.
Granted, while not passenger ships, of all the battle ships and others sunk at Pearl Harbor, how many were NOT raised and re-floated and put back into use?Didn't we re-float all the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor with the exception of the Arizona?
That was Japan's huge mistake. The grossly underestimated the USA!
They are re-righting the Concordia in the middle of the MediterraneanUmm, the ship is beached only 100 feet from land. It's not "in the middle of the Mediterranean"
Umm, the ship is beached only 100 feet from land. It's not "in the middle of the Mediterranean"
Ummm, the Normandie capsized in PORT. It would be way easier to re-right a ship in port with all the resources the port has right there, especially the heavy lifting cranes. They are re-righting the Concordia in the middle of the Mediterranean and NOT in a port.Inflation aside, Normandie, while "smaller" was a friggin' ocean liner, with thick hull plating (very heavy). They had to cut the superstructure off to get her floating. Of course, that was with 1940s technology.
The Concordia will be way more difficult and cost way more adjusting for inflation. (Obviously, not adjusting for inflation Concordia would cost even more by a huge amount).
We have to keep in mind that when the normandia was refloated, it was war time....very limited manpower and resourses, not to mention the problems and advantages of the 2 peirs right there.Agreed.
The refloating was a complete success, except for the end of the war and the hull no longer reqiured. She was first wanted as a troop transport and later due to the ending war, the navy did not decide what to change her into. Due to severe damage to the hull she wasn't even considered to be rebuilt as a liner.
Today the skills and science of refloating wrecks have greatly advanced over the 75 years since the 40's. The early engineers were pioneers in developing the basic skills, however with the new matericals and engineering sciences available..things have moved ahead with great strides.
P.S. The Oklahoma was being towed to the west coast when she rolled over and sank.
I assume all we can do is guess right now, but is it likely Concordia will be brought somewhere for scrapping, will it be refurbished and reincorporated into the Costa fleet or any of the Carnival fleets? Will it be sold to a smaller line or to a charter group?
Lou, I'm not so sure. Concordia is 30,000 tons larger than Normandie and is in a more precarious position. There was no danger of Normandie sinking in the Hudson River. Having said that, they did cut off her superstructure during the refloating process and I wonder whether that will be the case with Concordia.
I don't believe the measurement is the same so you really cant compare those numbers. Cruise ships tonnage is a measurement of volume not weight. War ships are measured by displacement by weight.
I do not speculate. I speak of things I know and that seems to be something that is getting lost in this thread the longer it goes on.
These numbers from Wikipedia look to be very much as accurate as we can get this far removed from the existence of the hulk of the Normandie.
Tonnage: 79,280/83,423 Gross Register Tons Displacement: 71,300 metric tons (approx)
Either way, the Costa Concordia is a much larger ship.
There are other major differences between a cruise ship and a North Atlantic liner, most notably the liners had much deeper hulls and were built with rather more of a vee shaped hull. Cruise ships tend to be slab sided and flat bottomed to maximize cubic capacity and to minimize draft as they trade into many rather shallow ports.
While there are many differences in the two hulks (a capsized or sunken vessel is not a ship, it a hulk or wreck) the basic situation is very similar. It will require an aggressive and dedicated company to raise this hulk and get her into drydock. Titan is such a company.
Here is some speculation. Presuming the salvage cost will be the 288 million dollars or less contracted and presuming the current cost of a replacement for the Costa Concordia would be in the range of 1.2 billion dollars as was the cost of the last ships of this class, then it leaves a large range of rebuilding costs to still make returning the vessel to service both viable and desirable. Would I book on this ship if it were returned to service? As long as it had a different Captain, I sure would.