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#22
Germany
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Joined Oct 2008
Originally posted by DoubleCho
I see your point but our daughter was well received by Crystal - from the Fantasia staff to the head waiter in the MDR to all the guys working on Lido deck. If we want Disney, all we have to do is drive to Disney World. I understand those that do not like children and don't want to have them on their cruise, I just am happy that at least one luxury line knows how to accommodate families and do it well. Usually if a child is causing problems - anywhere - it is the parents that are at fault and should be held responsible IMHO.
I wasn't telling you which line to book. If Crystal provides what you're looking for in a cruise, by all means, book a Crystal cruise. I think it's great that there are luxury lines out there that will cater to families with children.

All I was trying to say was that I'd heard Disney offers a great experience for adults and kids-- i.e.; high quality kids programs that allow adults to enjoy adult activities while their kids have a good time in a safe environment. I have never been on a Disney cruise or gone to Disney World and wouldn't choose to because I don't have children. But I do have a good friend who swears by Disney and claims their cruises are amazing.

As far as children's behavior on cruises, I agree that when they act up, their parents should be held accountable. Unfortunately, because luxury cruises cost a lot of money, sometimes the crew hesitate to address problems caused by kids. And that's not fair to the other passengers who have paid a lot of money for a luxury vacation that might be spoiled by kids running amok. But in all fairness to kids, sometimes adult passengers behave a lot worse than kids ever could.
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#24
8 Posts
Joined Sep 2008
We took our then 4 yo daughter on Regent Seven Seas Navigator during Xmas 2008. They had counselors onboard and took great care of the kids. They did not have dedicated children space but, they met them in a meeting room and they all appeared to be pretty pleased. As stated below, a good many of the luxury lines put counselors onboard during holiday cruises. Our experience (40+ cruises) has shown that generally, the more expensive the cruise, the children tend to be more cruise-experienced, better behaved, and low-key. Be prepared to entertain the kids on your own during down time for the counselors.
#25
CA, USA
13,554 Posts
Joined Apr 2004
Sorry to say that's an unsubstantiated proposition. I have seen plenty of unruly kids on luxury lines. However, during the holidays it has become expected to see children (never used to be on lux lines) so I know enough NEVER to book a holiday cruise.
#26
San Francisco Bay area
1,400 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
I have sailed on Crystal during both the Christmas and Thanksgiving holidays, as well as during the summer vacation, with our son.The kids were always well behaved, and they were kept busy.
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#28
Washington State
21,249 Posts
Joined Dec 2005
Agree -- most parents are so used to noise, a little running down the halls, playing and splashing in the pool, etc. To most passengers on a luxury cruise line, this is disruptive behavior. If there are truly a lot of kids on board and they were all well-behaved, someone should done a movie and showed it around the world as an example. IMO, children should be able to have fun ..... they can do that on so many cruise lines where it is expected and where all passengers enjoy their company..... just wish they would stay off of Silversea, Seabourn, Regent and Crystal (except during school holidays and summer break when most of us will not travel).
#29
Texas
3,870 Posts
Joined Oct 2007
Originally posted by wripro
Parents who sail with children usually think there's no problem. Just like smokers.
Originally posted by Travelcat2
Agree -- most parents are so used to noise, a little running down the halls, playing and splashing in the pool, etc. To most passengers on a luxury cruise line, this is disruptive behavior. If there are truly a lot of kids on board and they were all well-behaved, someone should done a movie and showed it around the world as an example. IMO, children should be able to have fun ..... they can do that on so many cruise lines where it is expected and where all passengers enjoy their company..... just wish they would stay off of Silversea, Seabourn, Regent and Crystal (except during school holidays and summer break when most of us will not travel).
I do not/have never had children, have been on 4 Thanksgiving cruises on Crystal, and can tell you that I've never experienced any problems with unruly children on these cruises (including one cruise with martinsfo and his son ). I have experienced (more than once) unruly adults on Crystal.
#30
San Francisco Bay area
1,400 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Texas Tillie, thanks for backing me up. We were on the Thanksgiving cruise with you to Mexico in 2008. Lots of kids, and we never saw them, including mine!

As for kids being noisy, that's just part of kids being kids. And you are right, the parents should control their children. If my son misbehaves, I want to know about it and I will take action. I will also deal with parents whose kids are not behaving right. Part of the problem is that parents feel that kids can be taken anywhere, and not be instructed on adult behavior.
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#31
CA, USA
13,554 Posts
Joined Apr 2004
martinsfo,

You are truly a unique individual since you control your children. Mostly it's the other way around, the children controi their parents who completely ignore their kids' loud and intrusive behavior, in fact, consider it "cute." If there were more parents like you the problem wouldn't be so acute.

The one thing I take issue with is that attitude that kids will be kids. That is exactly why they don't belong on luxury lines. Kids SHOULD be kids and Disney or RCCL is the place for them to do that.
#32
Washington State
21,249 Posts
Joined Dec 2005
Originally posted by martinsfo

As for kids being noisy, that's just part of kids being kids.
Had to quote one sentence of your post. I agree completely. IMO, they should be noisy on a different cruise line. Again, children are expected during school and summer breaks. My comments are to passengers sailing luxury cruise lines when school is in session. There are no special programs for the children during these times, no other children to play with, etc. IMO, even parents with babies and children under 5 years of age should travel during times when children are expected onboard. This would be in the best interest of the parents, the children and the passengers on board who are hoping for a quiet, serene vacation.

Texas Tillie: Sorry to disagree with you. For some reason, whenever children's behavior is brought up, someone brings up how adults behave. IMO, one thing has nothing to do with another. If an adult is drunk, loud or unruly, the staff would have no problem telling them to keep it down or strongly suggesting that they return to their suite. Most passengers would also speak up in these type of situations. This is why comparisons of adults and children just don't work (IMO)
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#33
San Francisco Bay area
1,400 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
Travelcat,

More people should speak up when there are unruly kids, I do. I hold the parent responsible. Ask my son what our reaction has been whenever he has misbehaved. We can get into a big discussion about how poorly my baby boom cohort has been when it comes to raising kids. But we will leave that for another day.
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#34
3,735 Posts
Joined Sep 2003
Originally posted by wripro
Sorry to say that's an unsubstantiated proposition. I have seen plenty of unruly kids on luxury lines. However, during the holidays it has become expected to see children (never used to be on lux lines) so I know enough NEVER to book a holiday cruise.
I agree that more children can be expected during the holidays, but it saddens me as we would absolutely love to cruise during the holidays, yet don't like cruises where there are a lot of children onboard.

We would love it if one of the luxury lines had an adult sailing for the holidays. Maybe it would be easiest if it's New Year's only, though we really would prefer both holidays be included.
#35
Washington State
21,249 Posts
Joined Dec 2005
martinsfo: If all parents were like you, I would have a different opinion. However, some parents get extremely angry if anyone dares to tell them that their little darling is doing something that is disturbing others. They feel it is their right to let their children behave in any manner they wish and could care less if they are disruptive.

gillianrose: Could not agree with you more. Cruiselines have special programs for children on certain itineraries but do not consider having adult-only cruises. If luxury cruise lines had 2-4 adult-only cruises per year with good itineraries, they would sell out quickly. Hopefully, some day Silversea will give it a try.
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Tolerance, compromise, understanding, acceptance, patience - I want those all to be very sharp tools in my shed.
Total nights: Regent = 365 / Silversea = 36 / Oceania = 26 (Upcoming 84 nights: 1 Explorer, 2 Voyager and 2 Mariner)

Sailings per ship: Explorer (4), Voyager (11), Mariner (9), Navigator (3), PG (1), Silver Spirit (1), Silver Whisper (1), Silver Shadow (1), Oceania Riviera (2)

Itineraries Sailed: Alaska (2 sailings) / Baltics / Barcelona – Dubai / Barcelona - Miami / Cape Town – Rio (2 sailings) / Cape Town - Cape Town / E. & W. Caribbean (4 sailings) / CHRISTENING CRUISE - Explorer - Monte Carlo-Monte Carlo / Ft. Lauderdale – Lima / Istanbul-Istanbul / Istanbul-Venice / London-Monte Carlo / Miami – Barcelona 2 sailings) / Miami-Miami (Amazon) / Mumbai – Bali / New York-Southampton / Rome to Lisbon / Singapore to Sydney / Stockholm - Copenhagen / Tahiti / Venice-Rome / Vancouver-Tokyo
#36
85,208 Posts
Joined Jul 2000
For those of you who do not like to sail with children then you just have to find either a very small ship where you will likely see very few if any children or just not cruise during the holidays. In this economic environment you will not see cruise lines prohibiting children during this time frame.

We sailed with Crystal over the Holidays this past year. We had a bout 50 children on board. It was not a problem for us. Children were nicely behaved. In several cases the grand parents were on board. For us it added to the family feeling and the kids were well supervised. We even enjoyed watching them get gifts the morning of Christmas.

If it's not for you my advice is to do something else which is no different than most other things.

For example if you don't like hot or humid weather or packed ports don't cruise the Med in the summer months and go another time of the year.

Keith
#37
Toronto, Canada
3,960 Posts
Joined Mar 2012
Originally posted by Travelcat2
However, some parents get extremely angry if anyone dares to tell them that their little darling is doing something that is disturbing others.
Or, worse, get angry if anyone implies that they're not good parents! I've never been bothered by ill-behaved children on cruises, but I certainly see that with ill-behaved children at work.
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#38
San Francisco Bay area
1,400 Posts
Joined Jan 2006
I work at a Napa Valley winery and I see misbehaved kids all the time. Why, because their parents insist on taking them to an activity where they are bored out of their minds. Kids get fidgety, that's their nature. I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents for bringing them. The same goes with a cruise. If you are bringing kids, you need to take them on a ship with a kids program. One of the things we love about Crystal is their very high quality program, the kids are kept on the move and active. Our son was in the teens program, and it was very clever. As teens like to sleep late, it started at 12 noon and went to midnight. I still have great memories of the teens, at their own table in the Palm Court, having tea together. They were all very well behaved, and totally enjoying themselves.
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#39
Washington State
21,249 Posts
Joined Dec 2005
Originally posted by Keith1010
For those of you who do not like to sail with children then you just have to find either a very small ship where you will likely see very few if any children or just not cruise during the holidays. In this economic environment you will not see cruise lines prohibiting children during this time frame.

We sailed with Crystal over the Holidays this past year. We had a bout 50 children on board. It was not a problem for us. Children were nicely behaved. In several cases the grand parents were on board. For us it added to the family feeling and the kids were well supervised. We even enjoyed watching them get gifts the morning of Christmas.

If it's not for you my advice is to do something else which is no different than most other things.

For example if you don't like hot or humid weather or packed ports don't cruise the Med in the summer months and go another time of the year.

Keith
My suggestion about having one adults-only cruise during the summer would be to accommodate the thousands of teachers, child care workers and others who must vacation in the summer or during school holidays. Even when you love children and work with them every day, a vacation without them can be very relaxing.
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Tolerance, compromise, understanding, acceptance, patience - I want those all to be very sharp tools in my shed.
Total nights: Regent = 365 / Silversea = 36 / Oceania = 26 (Upcoming 84 nights: 1 Explorer, 2 Voyager and 2 Mariner)

Sailings per ship: Explorer (4), Voyager (11), Mariner (9), Navigator (3), PG (1), Silver Spirit (1), Silver Whisper (1), Silver Shadow (1), Oceania Riviera (2)

Itineraries Sailed: Alaska (2 sailings) / Baltics / Barcelona – Dubai / Barcelona - Miami / Cape Town – Rio (2 sailings) / Cape Town - Cape Town / E. & W. Caribbean (4 sailings) / CHRISTENING CRUISE - Explorer - Monte Carlo-Monte Carlo / Ft. Lauderdale – Lima / Istanbul-Istanbul / Istanbul-Venice / London-Monte Carlo / Miami – Barcelona 2 sailings) / Miami-Miami (Amazon) / Mumbai – Bali / New York-Southampton / Rome to Lisbon / Singapore to Sydney / Stockholm - Copenhagen / Tahiti / Venice-Rome / Vancouver-Tokyo
#40
85,208 Posts
Joined Jul 2000
Originally posted by Travelcat2
My suggestion about having one adults-only cruise during the summer would be to accommodate the thousands of teachers, child care workers and others who must vacation in the summer or during school holidays. Even when you love children and work with them every day, a vacation without them can be very relaxing.
Always fun to speculate, but I don't see it happening.

To me best bet is to just find a cruise with a cruise line and more importantly a ship and itinerary that likely won't have any kids and there are some in this market.

Keith