Posted May 3rd, 2013, 03:41 PM
Last edited by neilrr; May 3rd, 2013 at 03:46 PM
I have found that certain lines are most accomodating than others - but I believe all you need is one instance of prejudice to feed the fire - in this case it was the double standard regarding the drag cruise. I'd like to see some of these lines have ads w/ gay couples for instance. - A risk for sure but in this day & age I think well worth it.
And what makes Jason Collins different is that he is the first ACTIVE player in the NBA to come out. Its the difference betweenn coming out when you are employed & when you retire. Bravo to those other athletes....but to live life as oneself every day is a right everyone should enjoy - whether at sea or at home.
I live a very main stream life here in NYC - worked corporate all my life - dated every nationalty on the planet & have a Latin husband.....I call it all well rounded...and so for Jason Collins - his risk taking is our gain....put yourself in others shoes - whether onboard a ship or not.
Its good to hear that you have found Carnivore gay friendly and you enjoy your cruises...we all have our own comfort zone.
Rotterdam - I hate to inform you -- Jason Collins is at the end of his career after 12 years in the pros. He has been released and has yet to be picked up by another team for next year, so at this point he has little to worry about in his career.
As for wearing drag on a cruise ship - unless you are going on a gay cruise (and even then I would have to think twice about it) - it does not give IMHO the correct impression of a gay man. It is one thing to be in a bar with our own friends in drag - it is another to be out there in the mainstream. It just perpetuates many of the strereotypes - I guess we are just more conservative in our thinking.
On a funny note - we were talking with friends years ago and they were discussing "Dress up night" (aka formal night) and I said we love to wear our tuxes and they said "oh no -- I meant drag -- we roared with laughter - I think me and my husband of 29 years will stick to our tuxes/dinner jackets for mainstream cruises...
After 25 cruises - people know we are a gay couple (incl. many of the staff that we have travelled with on mulitiple cruises) and we do not have to push someones head into the ground or shout from the rooftops.
As for Carnival - we do not travel the line, as that is not our demographic or crowd. We generally stick to Celebrity or Princess. We were on NCL once (never again for a variety of reasons). You do find your comfort zone. On the other hand, we do love our Carnival Shareholder Onboard Credits that you can use on any of their lines. If you get lemons - make lemonade.
I wish everyone a great weekend and happy sailing...