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Old August 14th, 2014, 12:20 AM
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From another big and fluffy guy, yes, I've tried that as well. It seems they don't have any in "Omar the Tent Maker" size. I too had to do without.
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I am hoping that someone here can give me some guidance.

I recently flew home from a cruise with my mother who sufferer from Alzheimer so flying is challenging enough for us. We were on a totally full fight and had Economy Comfort seats with Delta. Sitting next to Mom was a POS. Mom started to freak out about it so I traded seats with her. We are both those less than 150Lbs people (Mom is less than 115Lbs). I did have my armrest down but the POS wouldn't fit in his seat with the armrest down. He complained to the flight attendant and I was asked/told to raise the armrest. When he sat down he took up at least 1/3 of my seat. I am sorry to complain but I was not happy. He did make a passing remark about it being a good thing Mom and I were so small. Trying to be funny?

During the flight my fellow passenger could not put his tray table down, due to his size, so he proceeded to put mine down and use it for his items (tablet, phone, work papers, snacks, ect.). This was done without asking me. I was so shocked I didn't say anything. When my mom need to get out to use the restroom we got a comment of "you should have gone before you boarded the plane." I do understand that moving in and out of a seat for a POS is not the easiest thing but come on. I do realize that he had to pick-up his stuff so we could get out and then pick up again when we returned, which is a pain. When I returned to my seat I refused to put my tray table down again in an effort to regain some of my space. Yes, it was passive aggressive, but I was at a loss of what to do with out causing a scene and also upsetting my mom more.

I do realize try to understand that POS do face challenges we, so called "average sized passengers" don't even think about. I am not trying to cause trouble here but what is the proper etiquette when dealing with a POS next to you. I don't want to fat shame but I don't feel I should have to give up part of my seat for someone else either. How should we have handled this?
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Obesity is becoming the number one disease in America.We have been on several cruises in the last few months and seen more and more obese passengers than ever before. It is sad because they are shortening their lives.
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I am hoping that someone here can give me some guidance.

I recently flew home from a cruise with my mother who sufferer from Alzheimer so flying is challenging enough for us. We were on a totally full fight and had Economy Comfort seats with Delta. Sitting next to Mom was a POS. Mom started to freak out about it so I traded seats with her. We are both those less than 150Lbs people (Mom is less than 115Lbs). I did have my armrest down but the POS wouldn't fit in his seat with the armrest down. He complained to the flight attendant and I was asked/told to raise the armrest. When he sat down he took up at least 1/3 of my seat. I am sorry to complain but I was not happy. He did make a passing remark about it being a good thing Mom and I were so small. Trying to be funny?
Unfortunately Delta's policy concerning "Customers requiring extra seat space" only suggests that someone needing extra space actually purchase an extra seat. However it's implied that the person should be able to sit in the seat while the arm rest is down. These days the airlines do not want to kick anyone off a flight that could possibly cry foul as being disabled and some consider being a POS a disability.

If you are unable to sit in your seat without encroaching into the seat next to you while the armrest is down, please ask the agent if they can reseat you next to an empty seat. You might also consider purchasing an upgrade to First/Business Class.

We will do all possible to ensure your comfort but you might consider booking an additional seat in order to ensure your best comfort during your travel. Please call Delta Reservations at 1-800-221-1212 and they will be glad to assist


As it's not indicated in your post it can only be assumed that you may not have spoken up to the flight attendant which was certainly your right. Therefore the flight attendant made the judgment call by having lifted up the arm rest. Should this ever happen again you need to be knowledgeable of the Airlines policy and speak up.

I'm assuming your mother had the window seat and your were in the middle. To minimize the chances of this occurring again suggest you check on the type of air craft and select seats on the side of the plane in which the aisle seat armrest collapses. Most aircrafts generally have this feature as it allows for easier transfer of a wheelchair bound person into the seat. Generally it's the right aisle when facing towards the cockpit and begins a few rows after the bulk head sits. If you were aware that if the aisle seat in your row had this feature than you could have suggested that the aisle armrest be collapsed instead of the middle arm rest as it would allowed the person the same comfort and minimized the encroachment into your seat.

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During the flight my fellow passenger could not put his tray table down, due to his size, so he proceeded to put mine down and use it for his items (tablet, phone, work papers, snacks, ect.). This was done without asking me. I was so shocked I didn't say anything.
You should have politely addressed your concerns with the passenger or called the flight attendant to address the issue. Remaining silent just sent the message that you had no issue with the passenger using your tray table.


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When my mom need to get out to use the restroom we got a comment of "you should have gone before you boarded the plane." I do understand that moving in and out of a seat for a POS is not the easiest thing but come on. I do realize that he had to pick-up his stuff so we could get out and then pick up again when we returned, which is a pain. When I returned to my seat I refused to put my tray table down again in an effort to regain some of my space. Yes, it was passive aggressive, but I was at a loss of what to do with out causing a scene and also upsetting my mom more.
Comments such as what you expressed above happen regardless of a passengers size as most people don't want to be disturbed. Something tells me that this individual would have made the same comment even if not a POS. Personally I just ignore snippy comments .

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I do realize try to understand that POS do face challenges we, so called "average sized passengers" don't even think about. I am not trying to cause trouble here but what is the proper etiquette when dealing with a POS next to you. I don't want to fat shame but I don't feel I should have to give up part of my seat for someone else either. How should we have handled this?
Most POS understand how other passengers feel and go out of their way to try not to impose any further discomfort to others. ( Myself included). For the few exceptions such as what you experienced you should have politely spoken up at the time and addressed your concerns to flight attendant.
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Old September 25th, 2014, 01:10 AM
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I think it is a difficult issue if you are trying to be polite. I always book an aisle seat because I don't want to feel "trapped" if I need to get up. On my last flight there were two seats (no middle) and the window one was occupied by a large man who barely fit in the seat and who took over the entire armrest between us. I am a small woman and didn't really "need" more room, but it was impossible for me to get into a comfortable position to read a book. I didn't speak to the flight attendent because there was no alternative seating, and I'm sure that the man was uncomfortable too.
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I would have told him that if doesn't take his stuff off of my space I will toss it into the aisle. I had a similar thing happen to me in a hotel dining room, long story, but it wasn't connected with weight. By the way, I had a friend that weighed in at 130+ kilo, and she paid for the extra seat rather than be a PITA
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Anyone have experience with Spirit airlines? I haven't had any trouble on Southwest, or any other line, though one Delta flight, I wasn't sure the seatbelt would make it. But I'm nervous their seats might be smaller. Their flight times are the most convenient on an upcoming trip.

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Being a super big lady, flying is terrible. Most of us (not all) hate invading other people space and avoid it whenever possible. I look for planes that have 3 seats and then both my husband and I have the space we need when booking the middle seat. (Seatguru.com is a wonderful site)

I have to fly this month alone and though I can cram myself into a seat and work real hard to fasten a seat belt, I overlap onto the person space next to me. I either have to purchase a second seat or go first class.... whatever is cheapest.
The last time I flew, these are somethings others that don't have to do this might not realize big folks have to tolerate.

If I fly Delta, I must book through an operator, I can't get 2 seats online. That is $25 charge. After purchasing 2 seats, I still am not permitted to take a second carry on. If the flight isn't full, like mine was flying to and from Europe, you don't get any money back for the additional seat you purchased. (meanwhile, our friend who purchased 1 seat and ended up with 3 seats to himself to stretch out on for the 10 hour flight) Later discovered, if I would have purchased my tickets with Air France, I would have gotten a refund.(it was the same plane) Southwest will also refund the cost of a 2nd seat if the plane isn't full.
When I tried to book a second seat on a Air Tran or Trans Air, I forget their name, the booking agent (remember I couldn't book on line) couldn't figure out what I was talking about and it took me forever trying to explain why I needed a 2 seats in the same name. He charged me a fee for calling to book. Later, I spoke with a supervisor and they did take the fee off.

I want to thank those follow passengers that have been kind enough to tolerate the big folk in the seat next to you and speak to us in a considerate manner! Not all of us are inconsiderate to others comfort.

I just wish it didn't cost me even more (fee's for having to call and no extra carry on) plus making it so difficult to do "the right thing"... Airlines wake up and make it easier.
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Anyone have experience with Spirit airlines? I haven't had any trouble on Southwest, or any other line, though one Delta flight, I wasn't sure the seatbelt would make it. But I'm nervous their seats might be smaller. Their flight times are the most convenient on an upcoming trip.
All airlines have seat belt extenders just ask the flight attendant.
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Anyone have experience with Spirit airlines? I haven't had any trouble on Southwest, or any other line, though one it. But I'm nervous their seats might be smaller. Their flight times are the most convenient on an upcoming trip.
I would avoid Spirit for many reasons, but to address your concern; The pitch for Spirit's seats is only 28". This is very cramped.

If you must book Spirit, make sure you understand all the additional fees you will pay, their limited schedule and the fact they have no interline agreement with any other airline.

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If I fly Delta, I must book through an operator, I can't get 2 seats online. That is $25 charge.
If it's impossible for you to book online, they should waive this fee. Next time, ask them to do so.

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They will refund this cost now, even if the plane is full. You just have to submit a form. Details are on their webpage.

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I would avoid Spirit for many reasons, but to address your concern; The pitch for Spirit's seats is only 28". This is very cramped.

If you must book Spirit, make sure you understand all the additional fees you will pay, their limited schedule and the fact they have no interline agreement with any other airline.
Thank you. They do have ridiculous fees. I am leaning away from them. There are so many bad reviews. It's a direct flight so I'm still considering it. I will get an aisle seat due to handicapped boarding, but that pitch does sound very cramped. Might have to up my pain meds.
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Spirit and Allegiant have the highest fees around, but can provide the means to get what you want. Keep in mind that if the flight is canceled for any reason, they do not have another plane available to book you onto, or another flight available. Still a possibility if they go where you need better that anyone else, but you take your chances.

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I am hoping that someone here can give me some guidance.
I do realize try to understand that POS do face challenges we, so called "average sized passengers" don't even think about. I am not trying to cause trouble here but what is the proper etiquette when dealing with a POS next to you. I don't want to fat shame but I don't feel I should have to give up part of my seat for someone else either. How should we have handled this?
Hi Ski-Lady,
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I'm embarrased for the person that treated you that way, he sounds like a rude person, regardless of his size!!! I am a POS and I can assure you that you will get not argument from me when it comes to extra seats. If you cannot fit, you should get another one. I know I get flack from some other POS on this matter but I stand firm. Everyone has paid to have a enjoyable flight (well as much as you can cramped in a tin can!!!) and I don't believe that anyone has the right to encroach on anyone else space.
Having said that there are numerous ways to help stop this from happening (aside from him being a complete jerk which he sounds like!!). I have said it again and again when it comes to travel as a POS, research, research, research and then some more research. For example, many airlines will charge you the extra seat but refund it if the plane is not full (Alaska, Delta etc) so I make sure I choose a flight that I know won't be busy. Or go first class. Much more room there etc. There are options out there for POS to travel in comfort and it not be an issue for anyone else. If we are all respectful then it will never be an issue.
As for how he treated you I am sure you were shocked. Not that you want to start an in flight fight or anything but politely asked that things be done is absolutely acceptable and you should not feel bad for it!!! If the person will not listen then I'm sure the steward will look after it. It has nothing to do with "fat shame" as his behaviour was not a result of being fat, he was being a jerk (perhaps because he knew he was causing an issue and it's a coping mechanism) and that kind of behaviour is just not acceptable.

****SPECIAL NOTE FOR US CANADIANS******
I know for sure Air Canada and WestJet (perhaps others) offer a free second seat for all domestic flights to POS. There is a lengthy procedure involved. You have to have a form filled out at the doctor, you can only book through the medical department etc so on but this will save you an amazing amount of stress and headache. I have had a permanent medical file for this for over 5 years now and it's the best thing I ever did. I only use up a bit of the extra seat but as I said before it's not fair to whoever might be sitting beside me so I take care of it. If you do get this be sure that when you are checking in you tell the person you have a second seat and go to the person at the gate and tell them too. Sometimes if it's a full flight they get confused as there count is out due to the empty seat and you don't want them filling it by mistake!!!!! LOL

Hope everyone has a great day and happy travels wherever they may take you!!!
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Obesity is not a disease. It can cause disease, but on it's own it is a condition but not a disease.
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I am hoping that someone here can give me some guidance.

I recently flew home from a cruise with my mother who sufferer from Alzheimer so flying is challenging enough for us. We were on a totally full fight and had Economy Comfort seats with Delta. Sitting next to Mom was a POS. Mom started to freak out about it so I traded seats with her. We are both those less than 150Lbs people (Mom is less than 115Lbs). I did have my armrest down but the POS wouldn't fit in his seat with the armrest down. He complained to the flight attendant and I was asked/told to raise the armrest. When he sat down he took up at least 1/3 of my seat. I am sorry to complain but I was not happy. He did make a passing remark about it being a good thing Mom and I were so small. Trying to be funny?

During the flight my fellow passenger could not put his tray table down, due to his size, so he proceeded to put mine down and use it for his items (tablet, phone, work papers, snacks, ect.). This was done without asking me. I was so shocked I didn't say anything. When my mom need to get out to use the restroom we got a comment of "you should have gone before you boarded the plane." I do understand that moving in and out of a seat for a POS is not the easiest thing but come on. I do realize that he had to pick-up his stuff so we could get out and then pick up again when we returned, which is a pain. When I returned to my seat I refused to put my tray table down again in an effort to regain some of my space. Yes, it was passive aggressive, but I was at a loss of what to do with out causing a scene and also upsetting my mom more.

I do realize try to understand that POS do face challenges we, so called "average sized passengers" don't even think about. I am not trying to cause trouble here but what is the proper etiquette when dealing with a POS next to you. I don't want to fat shame but I don't feel I should have to give up part of my seat for someone else either. How should we have handled this?
You are right to be upset, and the FA had absolutely no right to tell you to lift the armrest. You should have refused and demanded the purser. I would follow up with the carrier and ask for compensation--CASH compensation. Your rights were violated, and the flight attendant completely and totally was wrong.

larger passengers do face challenges, however they do not have the right to infringe themselves on other travelers. He should have bought the second seat. Had he tried to use my tray table I would have broken his hand slamming it back in place--and not felt an ounce if guilt for doing so. What nerve he had!
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Anyone have experience with Spirit airlines? I haven't had any trouble on Southwest, or any other line, though one Delta flight, I wasn't sure the seatbelt would make it. But I'm nervous their seats might be smaller. Their flight times are the most convenient on an upcoming trip.
The seats on Spirit are definitely smaller than Delta on all but a very few planes.
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