Small Ships ordered by Celebrity

Interesting that Celebrity is now ordering smaller ships. Although these new ships are 2900 PAX :)http://www.cruiseweekly.com.au/news/cruise-weekly-breaking-news-celebrity-launches-new-ship-class-orders-first-two-vessels/22108

I would hardly call 117,000 GRT and 2900 passengers "small". I probably wouldn't even call it "mid-size".

Oh I totally agree.

That is not what I would call 'smaller'. :D

Smaller than Oasis? ....... Yes

Small? ...... No. :)

Celebrity Solstice: 122,000 GRT, 2850 PAX

New ships: 117,000 GRT, 2900 PAX

Sounds like "more crowded" is a better description than "smaller"

Roy

To my mind - that is small.

I wouldn't sail on them.

Celebrity Edge 117,000 tons/2900 pax = 40.34 pax ratio

Koningsdam 99,500 tons/2650 pax = 37.55 pax ratio

Rather cruise Celebrity for space:)

HAL NA 86.000 tons/2104 pax = 40.87

So Celebrity's new ship is more comparable to NA than the Koningsdam.

Celebrity Edge 117,000 tons/2900 pax = 40.34 pax ratio

 

Koningsdam 99,500 tons/2650 pax = 37.55 pax ratio

 

Rather cruise Celebrity for space:)

 

HAL NA 86.000 tons/2104 pax = 40.87

 

So Celebrity's new ship is more comparable to NA than the Koningsdam.

Christine France's is correct, the most important statistic is space per passenger ratio. Many cruisers get hung up on the size of the ship instead of the space ratio. I've done the math for other ships and I've been surprised a few times.

Christine France's is correct, the most important statistic is space per passenger ratio. Many cruisers get hung up on the size of the ship instead of the space ratio. I've done the math for other ships and I've been surprised a few times.

I agree, the other thing I like to look at is Crew to Passenger ratio, I think HAL falls a bit short in that area too :(

The space ratio is discussed a lot on the Princess boards and I know some of their ratios. Not surprisingly the Coral Island Princess have terrific ratios. The Diamond and Sapphire twins are the next best. The worst ratios are on the old Sun class ships which were mostly offloaded to the Australian market, this class of ships feel crowded.

On HAL the Ryndam ratio is very good and Is a much better value than the Prinsendam. Both ships have the same standard menus and food for the fleet but the Ryndam is newer and the physical plant is much nicer. The Ryndam space ratio is close to the Prinsendam.

The Coral and Island Princess have better space ratios than the HAL Vista ships, even though their passenger capacity is about the same.

Christine France's is correct, the most important statistic is space per passenger ratio. Many cruisers get hung up on the size of the ship instead of the space ratio. I've done the math for other ships and I've been surprised a few times.

There are ways to skew that information though based on the sizes, shapes, multiple floors being used, etc.

I agree with Lisa on her reply that the best thing to go off of is passenger to crew ratio. Those are hard factual numbers that cannot be skewed

I agree crew ratio is very important, many of us have noted short staffing compared to what it used to be. . We've been told by room stewards and dining crew people that they are supposed to have more staff on board than they actually have. I'm not sure passengers get the exact staffing numbers for their individual cruise experience. Staffing info on cruise summaries appear to be pulled off the HAL website.

I'm sorry, as others have said and I agree I don't see these as 'small ships'.

My goodness. Folks on this HAL forum would argue that the sky is not chartreuse. Seriously folks, the term "small" means small! Most old cruisers would consider any ship with more then around 700 passengers to not be small! Seabourn has small ships, Azamara has small ships, Oceania has mostly small ships. HAL has one small ship (Prinsendam).

Hank

Maybe adding an "er" to small would eliminate the debate. At least someone is not ordering 5,000 pax ships.

My goodness. Folks on this HAL forum would argue that the sky is not chartreuse. Seriously folks, the term "small" means small! Most old cruisers would consider any ship with more then around 700 passengers to not be small! Seabourn has small ships, Azamara has small ships, Oceania has mostly small ships. HAL has one small ship (Prinsendam).

 

Hank

Agree. I wouldn't consider any ship over approx. 700 passengers, small.

The more important point is that Celebrity/RCCL have been continually investing in new ships and updating their older ships.

I think the OP was being ironic -- as evidenced by the smiley face. :)

I think the OP was being ironic -- as evidenced by the smiley face. :)

You are correct :D . It is also the "headline" of the article.

Smaller.

Still too big.

In addition to space ratios, I think that ship design plays a large part in how crowded or how large a ship feels.

We have been on a few poorly designed ships...the ones where the elevators let out directly in front of the MDR, showrooms, or other areas that can become very congested. They may have fewer passengers but they feel much more crowded.

We have also been on a few large ones, like the Solstice class ships and some Princess ships that for our taste, are very well designed for traffic flow. They seem less crowded even though they are larger ships.