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Originally posted by chewbaka
kahtrav

We were on the Prinsendam with you last year. We really enjoyed seeing you guys heading out for your rides. Certainly there were no issues whenever you were moving your transport on and off the ship as you guys were always very courteous and careful.

Sad.

But even sadder for me personally as you inspired me to consider taking a folding bike on board for touring. I had seen it done before on a Princess cruise we had taken earlier, plus we had seen crew members with bikes also. But you guys looked like you just were having SO MUCH FUN! Such a cool thing - a folding tandem....

I just find this decision to be very curious. I wonder if there is anyone we can contact at HAL? I purposely used the phrase "your transport" as it is really no different from wheelchairs or scooters.
We hope to have a conversation with HAL - it's not industry wide but may be a Carnival Corp. decision. Waiting to hear back from Cunard (also Celebrity) since they have welcomed bikes - we've sailed with them but not with bikes. I'll post what we hear back.
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Originally posted by daisy-mae
We were allowed to take two folding bikes (in suitcases) on board a Norwegian cruise to Bermuda a few years ago. Since we were docked for two nights we were able to tour the entire island on two wheels, at our leisure. The bikes were stored in our cabin and wheeled on and off the ship each morning, without inconveniencing any of our fellow passengers.
For those who are curious, bikes are allowed as oversize baggage on most airlines - for a fee. We do a lot of cycle-touring (our preferred method of travel) and have thought about taking our bikes to Europe on a re-positioning cruise; it sounds like that option will no longer be available if all cruise lines decide to adopt the same policy.
Hope to find out more from other companies. We prefer HAL and they have more itinerary options but we may check Norwegian again. Thanks
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Originally posted by take us away
Wow - what a blow for many reasons! Some crew, including senior officers, have bikes on board - there is even a bike 'technician' who will fix your bike for a small fee plus I know several guests who travel with their folding bikes on the longer cruises. Know a HAL hotel director and his director wife who travel with their bicycle built for 2. They are entitled to 2 cabins so use 1 for storage and 'quiet' time.

Wonder if HAL will allow an exemption as they do for golf clubs - might be worth asking.
I'm not so sure they are crew or officers; personal bikes. I think the ship has a cerrtain number they keep for crew tro borrow if tth ey wish
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Originally posted by serendipity1499
Have you looked into getting folding bikes.. I posted about this on another thread today..IMO I would go to special services & or the Presidents offices & request an exception to this rule as long as you agree to store the bikes in your cabin.. Folding bikes can be put in sacks & either fit under the beds or on your balcony.. If they make an exception for golf clubs (which is on the same list), I don't see why they will not make an exception for folding bikes..I believe that Copper 10-8 posted on the other thread & said HAL would permit bikes, but the post was in Dutch & English..I have seen bikes on long haul cruises on both HAL & other lines & yes airlines will permit bikes on board in the hold..
Thank you. Our bike (s) do fold and we've taken them on HAL for about 8 years now, that's why is such a shock. We were planning to go to Australia but unless we get special dispensation, that will be put on hold.

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Originally posted by Mosaic
Then let them ban scooters also.

While I'm not for banning scooters for people with mobility issues, I do wish they would monitor & admonish those who drive them recklessly, speeding through cross & honking all the way.

I've read about several world cruisers who take bikes along... can't see how it would be a problem as long as you detached the front wheel the carrying the bike through the ship.
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Originally posted by kahtrav
We hope to have a conversation with HAL - it's not industry wide but may be a Carnival Corp. decision. Waiting to hear back from Cunard (also Celebrity) since they have welcomed bikes - we've sailed with them but not with bikes. I'll post what we hear back.
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I read through the actual HAL Prohibited Item document and see that the real focus is upon safety. Weapons and items that could become weapons are the focus. Even the conditional allowance of golf clubs, when permitted by prior arrangement, the clubs are kept by security so the they cannot become a weapon on-board.

The scooter exception for mobility is the only real concession as it goes to accessibility on board. It really is an ADA issue anyway and HAL would have no choice but to allow it.

Bicycles do not fit within the accessibility exception since it is not needed on board. They could think that prohibiting bicycles could force passengers on to HAL excursions - which has been a focus in recent years - so it fits in with revenue strategies. Just like HAL not really providing true independent guide assistance anymore like they had in the past. Pushing passengers to excursions.

I guess I am saying HAL needs to understand the bicycle is not going to be a safety issue on board. Instead of prohibiting it from being brought on board by passengers, they simply need to prohibit them from use on the ship. It has to be wheeled or carried to the gangway, not ridden. Unlike a Segway, which I think needs to be ridden to the gangway. (I don't know if a Segway will roll, not under power.) HAL also needs to understand that someone who wants to ride a bicycle in port is never going to be an excursion buying passenger, anyway. Prohibiting bicycles won't generate revenue.
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Originally posted by sail7seas
I'm not so sure they are crew or officers; personal bikes. I think the ship has a cerrtain number they keep for crew tro borrow if tth ey wish

Sorry but know for a fact many are personal bikes.
#30
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Originally posted by chewbaka
Instead of prohibiting it from being brought on board by passengers, they simply need to prohibit them from use on the ship.
Perhaps that would have been the approach taken off it weren't for the fact that vacationers collectively are notoriously neglectful of rule-following.
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Originally posted by kazu
They are on the prohibited list on the faqs page. http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise...bx_AllFAQs_btn

Just a guess that someone abused one on board the same way the guy did with the segway on our Westerdam cruise? The segway was seized and they are now on the prohibited list.
The Segway guy immediately came to mind when I read the OP's post.
After experiencing his shenanigans on our South Pacific cruise I can well imagine that some "common sense challenged" person tried the same thing on a bicycle, thereby triggering a blanket ban.
"Common sense challenged" just sounded better than "idiot". I was trying to be gentle.
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Originally posted by chewbaka
I read through the actual HAL Prohibited Item document and see that the real focus is upon safety. Weapons and items that could become weapons are the focus. Even the conditional allowance of golf clubs, when permitted by prior arrangement, the clubs are kept by security so the they cannot become a weapon on-board.

The scooter exception for mobility is the only real concession as it goes to accessibility on board. It really is an ADA issue anyway and HAL would have no choice but to allow it.

Bicycles do not fit within the accessibility exception since it is not needed on board. They could think that prohibiting bicycles could force passengers on to HAL excursions - which has been a focus in recent years - so it fits in with revenue strategies. Just like HAL not really providing true independent guide assistance anymore like they had in the past. Pushing passengers to excursions.

I guess I am saying HAL needs to understand the bicycle is not going to be a safety issue on board. Instead of prohibiting it from being brought on board by passengers, they simply need to prohibit them from use on the ship. It has to be wheeled or carried to the gangway, not ridden. Unlike a Segway, which I think needs to be ridden to the gangway. (I don't know if a Segway will roll, not under power.) HAL also needs to understand that someone who wants to ride a bicycle in port is never going to be an excursion buying passenger, anyway. Prohibiting bicycles won't generate revenue.
The Segway guy was warned to stop using his Segway on the ship and he ignored security. That led to his Segway being seized. Prohibiting use on the ship doesn't work with some people so all they can do is prevent bikes and Segways from coming aboard.
I think it is a shame that the OP can't take his bike along but some have spoiled it for others.
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I imagine that the problem has to do with bicycles in the elevators and being wheeled down the hallways, plus extra hassles for embarkation/debarkation. There were also probably a few issues with mud/tire marks/chain grease, and I would not be surprised to hear that someone rode their bicycle on the ship. Bicycles would also be a pain in the rear for all concerned on tender boats.
I ride my bicycle often at home but I don't think that I should bring it on board a cruise ship. As mentioned by someone else, bicycles are often available for rent.
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... I'm a little surprised that the bicycles would be an issue; I wonder why that is. As long as they only used in port (and off ship) and stored in one's stateroom while onboard, I don't see what the issue would be with bicycles. OP, you could always try river cruises as some river cruise lines do have bicycles for use in port.
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Perhaps why Bicycles are an issue? After reading this thread I was on the Celebrity board and read a referenced newspaper article on the unfortunate Bus accident. In the very last section of the article it tells briefly about three OTHER land accidents passengers from the Solstice have had in New Zealand in the "past few months". TWO involved separate BICYCLE accidents. One was a woman who was killed when hit by a truck and the other a man severely injured when hit by a camper van (now OK per the article).

Now perhaps it was a very unusual situation, and not the ship's fault, but when two passengers from one ship to have two serious bike accidents within a few months, how many other are there on all ships combined? Perhaps it occurs enough that ships are now banning them?

Just a thought.
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Originally posted by wander
Perhaps why Bicycles are an issue? After reading this thread I was on the Celebrity board and read a referenced newspaper article on the unfortunate Bus accident. In the very last section of the article it tells briefly about three OTHER land accidents passengers from the Solstice have had in New Zealand in the "past few months". TWO involved separate BICYCLE accidents. One was a woman who was killed when hit by a truck and the other a man severely injured when hit by a camper van (now OK per the article). Now perhaps it was a very unusual situation, and not the ship's fault, but when two passengers from one ship to have two serious bike accidents within a few months, how many other are there on all ships combined? Perhaps it occurs enough that ships are now banning them?

Just a thought.
I'm sure it has more to do with someone being inappropriate on the ship - they really don't care what you do off the ship. Those incidents probably had more to do with cyclists riding on the wrong side of the road. We cycled for 5 weeks in New Zealand and it is confusing at first, so one day in port may have been an issue.

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Originally posted by sapper1
The Segway guy was warned to stop using his Segway on the ship and he ignored security. That led to his Segway being seized. Prohibiting use on the ship doesn't work with some people so all they can do is prevent bikes and Segways from coming aboard.
I think it is a shame that the OP can't take his bike along but some have spoiled it for others.
I have a theory about rule breaking on ships. The cruise lines have fostered rule breaking with their overall "customer is always right" mentality and not sticking to the rules i.e. adult areas, smoking areas, formal dress, etc. Even on the more formal lines (i.e. Cunard) lines, the rumor is that they've been told to not make a fuss about appropriate formal attire, so it's kind of anything goes almost. When they don't ever question a guest about simple things, it fosters an idea that "I can do anything I want". We were told by a RCCL agent a few years back that while bikes are allowed on Celebrity, they aren't on Royal Caribbean because it's a different clientele. I wouldn't expect too many of the HAL clientele will ride their bikes in the hallway.

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Banning bicycles is the most cockamamy rule I can think of. Then again, bicyclists, and count myself among them, are the most dangerous evil people around in humanity - NOT.If they wanted to they could find room to store them on the ship. The crew stores theirs. You can see them on racks as you leave the ship on a lower deck. That's where they belong - not on the passenger decks.Maybe they could charge you a small fee so they can store the bike on board for you.

As for the people who say rent them, they are definitely not cyclists. They don;t know the joy of riding. How would people get to a bicycle shop from the ship anyway? Probably too far to walk and not your own bike that fits you perfectly.

Some lawyer in a suit sitting behind a desk at CCL looks at it and thinks "liability", Definitely an overreaction.

So much for making your guests feel comfortable.

BTW I have been on several cruises on RCL where the motor bikes roll out and the riders
ride out together down the dock, Nice sight to catch. If they can make room for 50+ motorcycles at a time why
can't HAL?

All I can say good luck and maybe you can find a sympathetic ear at HQ.
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Originally posted by NordicPrince
Banning bicycles is the most cockamamy rule I can think of. Then again, bicyclists, and count myself among them, are the most dangerous evil people around in humanity - NOT.If they wanted to they could find room to store them on the ship. The crew stores theirs. You can see them on racks as you leave the ship on a lower deck. That's where they belong - not on the passenger decks.Maybe they could charge you a small fee so they can store the bike on board for you.As for the people who say rent them, they are definitely not cyclists. They don;t know the joy of riding. How would people get to a bicycle shop from the ship anyway? Probably too far to walk and not your own bike that fits you perfectly.

Some lawyer in a suit sitting behind a desk at CCL looks at it and thinks "liability", Definitely an overreaction.

So much for making your guests feel comfortable.

BTW I have been on several cruises on RCL where the motor bikes roll out and the riders
ride out together down the dock, Nice sight to catch. If they can make room for 50+ motorcycles at a time why
can't HAL?


All I can say good luck and maybe you can find a sympathetic ear at HQ.

Umm aren't RCL ships a LOT larger than HAL ships???

So, more storage space????

Bikes rolling out and riding down to the dock? Not a sight I want to see. But each to their own
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I don't think Royal Caribbean ships offer more space per passenger, the relevant metric in this context.
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Hapag Lloyd, a German shipping co/tour operator with four cruise ships, does things a bit differently. They have their own bicycles onboard and they are available for bike tours under the guidance of crew bike guides. Saw them return, about twenty five of them, in Bar Harbor, Me. last year. Another German company, TUI Cruises with the "Mein Schiff" ships (my ship ships ), do the same thing. Then again, both companies' clientele are a bit different than the avg HAL pax
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