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#41
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Originally posted by sail7seas
I heard a news blurb this morning tha t the President will give a speech in Miami, Friday and they suggested he may be tightening trading and travel regulations with respect to Cuba so there could be some question abo ut cruises from U.S. to Cuba in the immediate future. If he changes the regulations, cruise lines may have a major head ache re positioning ships an d changing itineraries. Could lose some serious money.
And also lose more goodwill. People are already unhappy that their itineraries were changed to get Cuba into the schedule. If Cuba has to be taken out of itineraries, I wonder if the cruise lines will try to revert to the previous itineraries or try to set up all new itineraries. All these changes do not make customers happy.
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If the government bans Cuba cruises, the government deserves the credit/blame for the change.

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Originally posted by bUU
If the government bans Cuba cruises, the government deserves the credit/blame for the change.

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Yes, that's true. But people who have had their travel plans changed tend to blame the cruise line.
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The good news is that if the ban happens then all the cruise lines with cruises to Cuba will be affected the same. It's basically a wash.

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Originally posted by bUU
The good news is that if the ban happens then all the cruise lines with cruises to Cuba will be affected the same. It's basically a wash.

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Some will have more scrambling to do than others. From what I've seen, most are doing a one-day stop in Havana in the midst of a Caribbean cruise. Worst-case for those cruises is an extra sea day. But Azamara and Pearl (maybe others) have some cruises that have nearly all stops in Cuba ports. They will have a lot more work to do.
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Originally posted by bUU
The good news is that if the ban happens then all the cruise lines with cruises to Cuba will be affected the same. It's basically a wash.

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WAS this message entereed b y voice recognition? Have any o your posts been made that way? We keep seeing the 'may have been' message so it interests me if it is applicab le or 'automatic?' My tecchie wants to install that on my laptop to help me with all the typos and I cannot decide if I want it.
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That one wasn't but rather instead was entered by Gboard (which quite frankly is even more prone to typos than voice recognition). I tend to use Gboard when ambient sound is too loud, or when using voice recognition would disturb others around me.

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And they'll very soon announce all these cruises are canceled.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-policy-239596

Making good on a campaign pledge, President Donald Trump on Friday will announce a significant rollback of former President Barack Obama’s accord with Cuba by clearly banning tourist travel to the island, restating the importance of the 56-year-old trade embargo with the island and instituting a broad prohibition on financial transactions with companies significantly controlled by the Communist government’s military, according to a draft version of the directive obtained by POLITICO.

Quite sad news.
#49
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Originally posted by sppunk
And they'll very soon announce all these cruises are canceled.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-policy-239596




Quite sad news.
Doing so will result in cruise agent's staff, tugboat crew's, ship vendors who supply those Cuba-bound ships, and longshoremans' jobs lost in ports that would handle those cruise ships.
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Originally posted by rkacruiser
Doing so will result in cruise agent's staff, tugboat crew's, ship vendors who supply those Cuba-bound ships, and longshoremans' jobs lost in ports that would handle those cruise ships.
And not to mention continuing to keep generations of a country's population anti-American and stricken in poverty.

I'll keep quiet going forward as to not be political.
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Originally posted by 3rdGenCunarder
Some will have more scrambling to do than others. From what I've seen, most are doing a one-day stop in Havana in the midst of a Caribbean cruise. Worst-case for those cruises is an extra sea day. But Azamara and Pearl (maybe others) have some cruises that have nearly all stops in Cuba ports. They will have a lot more work to do.
I wouldn't have signed on to the Veendam Christmas cruise if it hadn't been for the Cuba stops. The other ports are ones I've done before and having sea days instead of Cuba would not be a good exchange. I wonder if HAL has a plan B for these cruises. The cost for that cruise is pretty high for 12 days which I assumed was a combo of Christmas and Cuba. I'd rather have my deposit back and a chance to look for something else.

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How many of the cruises are past final payment?

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Update this morning:

Carnival Corporation (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK) is pleased that the policy changes announced by the Trump administration will allow our ships to continue to sail to Cuba.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/carni...221100629.html
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Update this morning:

Carnival Corporation (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK) is pleased that the policy changes announced by the Trump administration will allow our ships to continue to sail to Cuba.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/carni...221100629.html
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I believe Carnival's comment was based on what they have heard the plan is going to be. I think the president hasn't actually made his speech in Miami just yet. I will not celebrate until I'm sure what is actually going to happen. There has been a lot of leaking of what is believed to be in the plan. Given the way things are working in the government right now I need something very concrete.

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Originally posted by St. Louis Sal
I believe Carnival's comment was based on what they have heard the plan is going to be. I think the president hasn't actually made his speech in Miami just yet. I will not celebrate until I'm sure what is actually going to happen. There has been a lot of leaking of what is believed to be in the plan. Given the way things are working in the government right now I need something very concrete.

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Just check Twitter...
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Our Friends are really interested in HAL's Cuba Cruise in Dec & want us to go along..

Having read the President's message, I still can't figure out if Americans would be permitted to travel to Cuba on HAL or Carnival..

Looks to me like Cuba travel will still be restricted..

Does anyone else have a different opinion?

P.S. I don't text, so no use for logging in to Twitter, just to find out..
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Originally posted by serendipity1499
Our Friends are really interested in HAL's Cuba Cruise in Dec & want us to go along..

Having read the President's message, I still can't figure out if Americans would be permitted to travel to Cuba on HAL or Carnival..

Looks to me like Cuba travel will still be restricted..

Does anyone else have a different opinion?

P.S. I don't text, so no use for logging in to Twitter, just to find out..
My Twitter remark was an attempt at a joke. I don't use Twitter either, but you-know-who does...

From what I've seen, cruises will still be allowed.

Travel for individuals is affected more than group tours or cruises. Individuals can still travel as before under 11 of the original 12 categories for travel to Cuba. The one that's changing is the "person to person" category. That is being eliminated for individual travelers (people who fly to Cuba and are on their own, not in a group). Individual travelers have been able to "self-certify" that they are traveling under the approved categories. Basically an honor system that wasn't watched closely, and it was easy to fudge records for the person-to-person category. So that's going to stop.

The summary I read said that cruises will be allowed. Most cruises operate under the "person to person" category, as do most land tours, like Road Scholar. The land tours are pretty tightly planned, so they're already following the rules.

Cruise lines were planning tours and also planning to allow passengers to "self certify" that they will participate in acceptable activities when they go off on their own in port. One big question now is whether passengers will be able to do any independent activities. My take on the changes is that the rules are likely to require that passengers go ashore only on organized "approved" tours, which means ship's tours. I hope I'm wrong. Can cruise lines arrange enough tour capacity so that everyone has a chance at some kind of tour? I'd hate to be sitting on the ship looking at Havana and unable to go ashore because the tours all sold out.

Timing is also uncertain. Anyone who has already booked independent travel under the person-to-person category is grandfathered, even if the travel is for next year. But new bookings can't be made under this category. So will already booked cruises be grandfathered, too?

A lot of people are sitting on bookings for cruises that may not turn out the way they had hoped. If it does become very restrictive and passengers must take ship's tours, at least HAL has a bit of a leg-up. They can benefit from the connections that CCL made when they set up the Fathom cruises.
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Thanks 3rd Generation for your long answer.. Guess I'll just have to be patient & wait for them to re-write the rules..

"My Twitter remark was an attempt at a joke. I don't use Twitter either, but you-know-who does..." LOL
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An interesting article from Travel Weekly about possible changes to Cuba cruises:

"...let's recall that the recent opening of Cuba to tourism and trade has at each step depended on what the Cuban government wants, and less on what the U.S. authorities want to happen."
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