No More Deck 9 Cookouts for HAL

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#21
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Originally posted by bUU
Second guessing accredited professionals doing their jobs is all the rage with the kids these days.



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The world is full of so called professional who don't know squat. Common sense doesn't apply just their ever tighter oversight. One wonders where it ends but you soon realize it doesn't.

As for the kids, great, maybe there is some hope.
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#22
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Originally posted by Crew News
I looked forward to the traditional Juneau cookout only to learn that new health rules require all cooking to be done in designated/certified kitchens.
So sad, I was looking forward to this meal.
#23
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Originally posted by sapper1
The mention of the retractable cover being open and presenting a hazard got me to thinking about seagulls, which are abundant in ports. Living in a seaport myself I am well aware of the presents the nasty garbage birds can leave on cars, deck chairs and any other surface that presents itself.
An open buffet in a port will never have the same appeal to me.
So true, and large birds leave large.....

This is not news, though, as this was reported on CC some months ago, at least prior to our departure for our last cruise at the end of March. On which there were no BBQs on the deck.
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Perhaps this will put an end to the thousands of deck barbecue related deaths. There's nothing more dangerous than picnics. That's why we fill a pump sprayer with bleach and mist people trying to have lunch on blankets by the beach. They don't always appreciate it, but it's for their own good. And, their whites have never been whiter! Also their colors... But hey, safety is our number one priority.
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#25
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Originally posted by POA1
Perhaps this will put an end to the thousands of deck barbecue related deaths. There's nothing more dangerous than picnics. That's why we fill a pump sprayer with bleach and mist people trying to have lunch on blankets by the beach. They don't always appreciate it, but it's for their own good. And, their whites have never been whiter! Also their colors... But hey, safety is our number one priority.
Yea, I am still trying to get my mind around the concept of helpful bureaucrats
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Originally posted by Lizzie68
So true, and large birds leave large.....

This is not news, though, as this was reported on CC some months ago, at least prior to our departure for our last cruise at the end of March. On which there were no BBQs on the deck.

AH -- I knew that someone had mentioned that the BBQ was gone in recent months.
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Yea, I am still trying to get my mind around the concept of helpful bureaucrats
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

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In our County we do lot's of rodeos, outdoor concerts, the County fair, etc. Above and beyond the requirement for extra 'porta potties' the following units are used for vendors that do not have yearly approved Health Dept. food trucks, etc. These type units just get approval for the specific event / single permitting.

Hand wash sink: good for 300 hand washes for the culinary staff at a time between water refills, wastewater dumps:

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/cro...255CVEHSE.html

Chill tables with sneeze guards (long utensils for grabbing prepped lettuce, tomatoes, etc.), & chilled with ice pans & temp.monitors:

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/car...2716606FG.html

Just 'food' for thought. Cruise ship rules might be much more stringent than local communities obviously.

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I disembarked Koningsdam Sunday after a 14 day Baltic cruise. There was no poolside barbecue.
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Originally posted by Lizzie68
So true, and large birds leave large.....

This is not news, though, as this was reported on CC some months ago, at least prior to our departure for our last cruise at the end of March. On which there were no BBQs on the deck.
Yes, 20 days and not a single BBQ---not that I missed having one as I have never been a fan of al fresco dining.
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There were no poolside barbecues either on the Prinsendam last October/November, or the Zaandam in March/April. Things were advertised - such as the "gaucho barbecue" on Zaandam, but all the food was in the Lido Market. Disappointing, but I suppose it is also less work for the crew, as the Lido Market is already set up for food service.
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#32
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Originally posted by 3rdGenCunarder
is this infraction specifically about cooking? What about the various poolside buffets that don't involve a grill?

On our Panama canal cruise, there were stations serving Panama buns all over the ship, definitely not near hand washing stations. I know that isn't in the US, but is that kind of thing a potential problem?
I'm wondering now if this ruling will or has had an affect on the "Taco Bar?" After all, it would seem to me that the Taco Bar would fall under the same ruling............

Hubby, can you ask about the Taco Bar? IF it is still exists?


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#33
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Originally posted by IRL_Joanie
I'm wondering now if this ruling will or has had an affect on the "Taco Bar?" After all, it would seem to me that the Taco Bar would fall under the same ruling............

Hubby, can you ask about the Taco Bar? IF it is still exists?


Joanie
The permanent location of the Taco Bar from my recollection on various ships puts it under a permanently covered area so no danger of errant fly-over deposits, and closer to hand-washing facilities, along with its necessarily awkward sneeze guard.

Re-use serving utensils remain a problem, and the fact that some of the food is finger food - using chips to scoop up dips. Plus there is no on-going immediate staff supervision to pick up any potential passenger misuse or contamination breaches........ If one wants to start thinking like a CDC inspector.

I would also hate to see that one go too, it is a great late afternoon snack assembly. But it also looks like it might meet some of the concerns CDC registered about the more informal outdoor BBQ's.
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Originally posted by IRL_Joanie
I'm wondering now if this ruling will or has had an affect on the "Taco Bar?" After all, it would seem to me that the Taco Bar would fall under the same ruling............

Hubby, can you ask about the Taco Bar? IF it is still exists?


Joanie
The Taco Bar is still on the Noordam.

Repeating the words of the Lido Manager, the "cooking" of food is limited to designated/certified kitchens.

There was a private party for one of the tour groups, with appetizers, on the aft Lido deck earlier on the cruise.

There is a steward hovering nearby to keep the Taco Bar clean and replenished.
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#35
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Innlady1,

Was the seagull incident by any chance while docked in San Diego several years ago? I became an overnight ship "celebrity" by the entertainment a seagull provided swooping down (suddenly, as swooping birds do) and taking a chicken leg right off my plate. (I was eating lunch on the back, outside deck of the Lido.) He/she then had the nerve to land about 10 feet from me on the deck and devour the chicken meat. A number of folks saw it and we all had a great laugh. One thing nice about being on a ship is that I simply dumped my plate in the wash bin and got myself another lunch.

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Last year (2016) the laws in at least our state changed and outdoor cooked restaurant barbecues were no longer allowed. Food can now be served outside, but it must be prepared in a certified indoor kitchen. Rules about sneeze guards have also increased for the food when served outside. Apparently the new Rules do not apply to family barbecues, only when the food is sold to the general public. At least this is the story told by restaurants effected by the changes.
#37
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Was looking forward to seeing how they cooked the Salmon. Not that I would miss it much, we eat it a couple times a week but always looking for new techniques and preparations.

Wonder if they could cook it outside (with proper cover) and serve it inside where tacos are. Might be an excuse for cost cutting because if they really wanted to serve it there would be a way.
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Originally posted by Sequim88;53259523
Wonder if they could cook it outside (with proper cover) and serve it inside where tacos are. [B
Might be an excuse for cost cutting because if they really wanted to serve it there would be a way[/b].
Maybe HAL did not want the screaming headlines: CDC reports HAL staff with unwashed hands serves pigeon poop outdoor buffets to their passengers. You know how the media works these days.
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Originally posted by Vict0riann
There were no poolside barbecues either on the Prinsendam last October/November...
I attended at least two poolside BBQ's on the Athens to Ft. Lauderdale legs,Vict0riann. I detailed my disappointment with the "Mediterranean BBQ" leaving Larnaca above and on my live blog. I pigged out at the "Parrillada con Paella BBQ" leaving Lisbon. My On Location also shows "Kebab Under the Stars after Haifa. That was a fantastic cruise.
#40
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Originally posted by KirkNC
The world is full of so called professional who don't know squat.
Incorrect. There are some occasional instances of accredited professionals who aren't up to the standards of accreditation. There world is not "full" of such people. The generalized and callous disregard for the expertise and diligence of what is overwhelming a set of good people a good job is petty and offensive.

Originally posted by KirkNC
Common sense doesn't apply just their ever tighter oversight.
Common sense is indeed what applies to such oversight. People need to avoid mistaking their own personal sense for common sense. Common sense can legitimately only stem from a preponderance of informed and accountable perspective.

Who's next on the hit list for generalized and callous disregard for expertise and diligence? Perhaps the good folks who inspect aircraft? It's really quite chilling to see such casually disparaging statements being thrown around about people who protect the public health.

Originally posted by OlsSalt
Maybe HAL did not want the screaming headlines: CDC reports HAL staff with unwashed hands serves pigeon poop outdoor buffets to their passengers. You know how the media works these days.
Good point. The way many people causally latch onto any mud-slinging presented by the news (or semi-news sources), even, "Holland America doesn't take action in response to CDC warning about danger," could directly affect shareholder value.
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