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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:02 PM
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So are you this instigating in person as you are on the web.
I like a debate yes and happen to enjoy Dominica.

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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:11 PM
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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:20 PM
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So are you this instigating in person as you are on the web.
Really?! I don't find A Sixth? instigating at all. If anything, he provides good thought provoking commentary. Isn't that what this forum is all about?
Perhaps I'm an instigator too because I find the actions of the two individuals to be a black eye on the human race as a whole...gay/straight/or indifferent!
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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:28 PM
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Really?! I don't find A Sixth? instigating at all. If anything, he provides good thought provoking commentary. Isn't that what this forum is all about?
Perhaps I'm an instigator too because I find the actions of the two individuals to be a black eye on the human race as a whole...gay/straight/or indifferent!
Provoking is a good word. Actually neither one of you have commented at all on the other side here and thats how these men were treated afterwards. I've acknowledged they were indiscreet but what about this? isn't this a black on humanity as well? Your lack of commentary about this speaks volumes. Do you think this was justified?
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Just a thought - These two men must have realized that there would be consequences for doing what they did since they exposed themselves (no pun intended) to the public. If they were young I would be more likely to think it was done out of stupidity, but my gut feeling is that they did this to protest the laws of where they were docked. With this in mind, is it possible that they were treated the way they were because they were still in protest mode after they were arrested?

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Provoking is a good word. Actually neither one of you have commented at all on the other side here and thats how these men were treated afterwards. I've acknowledged they were indiscreet but what about this? Your lack of commentary about this speaks volumes. Do you think this was justified?
I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too!
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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:51 PM
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[quote=Dizney;33056088]I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too![/QUOTE
First of all the issue here is labeling. There is homophobia in Dominica. No question. I am not labeling you anymore than you are labeling me. Nothing good comes from that. why you feel that way is something that stems from w/i you I think. it sure doesn't come from me. I learned a very long time ago not to label.

I'll ask again do you think their treatment was justified?
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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:54 PM
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Just a thought - These two men must have realized that there would be consequences for doing what they since they exposed themselves (no pun intended) to the public. If they were young I would be more likely to think it was done out of stupidity, but my gut feeling is that they did this to protest the laws of where they were docked. With this in mind, is it possible that they were treated the way they were because they were still in protest mode after they were arrested?
Possible but possible not. I sort of doubt their was much defiance when they realized they were under arrest. if they were fooling around on the balcony to protest homophobia in Dominica and then found themselves under arrest then their bluff was called in spades, if thats why they did it. With respect. JM2C.
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I'm usually don't comment on things that I don't have ALL the facts on, but it is clear that what they did on their balcony was wrong. I have and would say the same thing if it was a heterosexual couple. To me, sexual orientation just muddies the facts. The facts are that they were warned that this was unacceptable. They chose to do it any way. I don't know if they were challenging the law. Acting stupidly. Or, just didn't care. Bottom line, none of us were in the interrogation room. The facts are somewhere between what this couple is now saying and what was originally reported.
When you do to another country that is not your home, you need to be on your best behavior as my dear mom would say. The tour company warned them. I'm starting to think that this couple is just dense.

BTW...Don't you dare label me a homophobe because I am expressing my views. I have immediate family members who are gay and they would find this situation appalling too![/QUOTE
First of all the issue here is labeling. There is homophobia in Dominica. No question. I am not labeling you anymore than you are labeling me. Nothing good comes from that. why you feel that way is something that stems from w/i you I think. it sure doesn't come from me. I learned a very long time ago not to label.

I'll ask again do you think their treatment was justified?
I'll tell you again...I don't think we have all the facts. In the US, their treatment would be unjustified as far as treatment in custody. We still don't know how they acted when dealing with the officials.
Again...in another country you should not do anything to warrant handling by the "authorities". That's just my rule of good travel.


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Old March 25th, 2012, 07:59 PM
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I'll tell you again...I don't think we have all the facts. In the US, their treatment would be unjustified as far as treatment in custody. We still don't know how they acted when dealing with the officials.
Again...in another country you should not do anything to warrant handling by the "authorities". That's just my rule of good travel.


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I respect your opinion though it seems to me you are leaning towards the officials in Dominica. Ok, so be it. We don't know everything but do know the judge name called and the local populace basically made them go through a gauntlet. I do hope that if you ever learn that how they described post arrest treatment was indeed true you will speak out as much against that as you have against them. .JM2C.
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I see.
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I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!

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What is POV?

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I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!
Well thats exactly why we have laws in this country about civil rights.
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Deleted because someone else answered the question while I was typing this one.

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I think we can all agree that this couple acted irresponsibly and foolishly.

How they were treated is moot. There is nothing we can say or do about that. It's not as if you can write and complain to your congressman.

The best policy, when in a foreign country, is to behave!
My point exactly!


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Tweets - Just noticed that you live in Great Neck. I grew up in Kings Point and went to Great Neck North High School.

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